Tony Mathis

Well, and what Seth has a problem with is his MO has been not to come out and sling mud. But we've been put in a situation where in order to address some of these outlandish rumors, we've got to dig into the real facts. And unfortunately, the real facts are not pretty. So, you know, we didn't choose this. None of this helps find Sebastian.

Well, and what Seth has a problem with is his MO has been not to come out and sling mud. But we've been put in a situation where in order to address some of these outlandish rumors, we've got to dig into the real facts. And unfortunately, the real facts are not pretty. So, you know, we didn't choose this. None of this helps find Sebastian.

But if we're going to lay all the cards out on the table, then, you know, sometimes you have a two and seven offsuit and the hand's not very pretty.

But if we're going to lay all the cards out on the table, then, you know, sometimes you have a two and seven offsuit and the hand's not very pretty.

Well, and we're living in an alternative universe, like we talked about today, Aiden. you don't have to provide proof of the accusations, but you want proof from the person you're accusing that it didn't happen.

Well, and we're living in an alternative universe, like we talked about today, Aiden. you don't have to provide proof of the accusations, but you want proof from the person you're accusing that it didn't happen.

How does that even work?

How does that even work?

Well, in the part of the country that we grew up in, which is southwest Missouri, southeast Kansas, it's considered the conservative Bible Belt, the Midwest, the four states. I mean, it wasn't uncommon for your mom or your dad to say that. And the translation there was, if you don't do that, whatever that is, you're going to be in trouble. Yeah. Even as a kid...

Well, in the part of the country that we grew up in, which is southwest Missouri, southeast Kansas, it's considered the conservative Bible Belt, the Midwest, the four states. I mean, it wasn't uncommon for your mom or your dad to say that. And the translation there was, if you don't do that, whatever that is, you're going to be in trouble. Yeah. Even as a kid...

Um, growing up, we didn't look at that as we were actually going to get our ass beat.

Um, growing up, we didn't look at that as we were actually going to get our ass beat.

You're going to get grounded. You're going to get your bike taken away, you know, something like that.

You're going to get grounded. You're going to get your bike taken away, you know, something like that.

The routine itself was so structured, it was borderline abusive.

The routine itself was so structured, it was borderline abusive.

Right.

Right.

Well, and you also have to think, guys, I mean, there's certain things, right? There's certain thresholds that have to be met on a background check to be a crane operator, let's say. There's a higher threshold that has to be met to hold a badge that says deputy sheriff. Right. And if you're kicked off military bases, you're putting your hands on children, you're putting your hands on your wife.

Well, and you also have to think, guys, I mean, there's certain things, right? There's certain thresholds that have to be met on a background check to be a crane operator, let's say. There's a higher threshold that has to be met to hold a badge that says deputy sheriff. Right. And if you're kicked off military bases, you're putting your hands on children, you're putting your hands on your wife.