Tony Robbins

Both were clinically depressed and they came back and he said, they have no symptoms.

They're off all their medication.

How does this happen?

So we have this long conversation and he said, well, do you have some data?

I said, well, I have millions of graduates, you know, and stories.

He goes, no, no, like scientific data.

I said, no, but I'd be open to doing a study.

Yes, and so he took, but they put people in, they did their own study.

Because I said, if we're gonna do this, tell me what the standards, what do the meta studies show?

Like, how many people get well through traditional approaches of drugs and therapy?

You know, I don't know if you're aware of it, it's crazy.

60% of the people who use drugs or therapy to try and get out of depression make zero improvement, 60%.

40% improve, he shared with me, but the average improvement is 50%.

Most are on drugs the rest of their life.

And he goes, I said, you should be able to do that with a placebo.

And he laughed and said,

Pardon me?

It's true, in fact.

And he said, yeah, sort of.

And I said, well, I know it sounds like hubris or arrogance, but it's not.