Tore Olson

But, you know, the partisan identity of outlaws is something that never comes through in Hollywood or video games.

Oh, yeah.

Right.

I mean, Kansas is a very divided state, just like Missouri, Missouri, even more so in many ways, because Kansas, at least, was squarely within the United States.

I mean, Missouri is, too.

But yes, I mean, you know, we tend to separate the Civil War from the Western violence of the 1870s and 1880s.

But how could that possibly be the case?

I mean, this is in the direct aftermath.

And many of the key dilemmas of the Civil War are not resolved by the time of 1865.

There's still a lot of stewing animosities about these questions.

Yeah, a lot of them are former guerrillas, right?

I mean, who've been practicing unconventional warfare in, you know, these sorts of semi-military environments.

Yeah.

I mean, one of the most famous explosions of Western violence is in a small town called Ludlow in Colorado in the 19 teens in 1914, actually.

But this is not an more than more than a dozen people are killed in this explosion of violence around a mining town.

But this is not a sort of moment of Western violence that usually makes it into Hollywood because this is about a strike.

This is about a labor conflict between the Rockefeller family's owned mining company and then a really diverse group of miners who are who are on strike.

And, you know, we tend to suck the politics and unionism out of the Western history story.

But it was a huge part of it.

Well, yeah.