Torsten Reil

And it's not underappreciated with VCs that know about defense, but with, I think, VCs that are maybe as distant as I was when I was previously in the gaming industry. I think for them, they quite often don't get what it takes to actually build a large company.

100%. Most founders will say, had I known how hard this is, I would never have tried. Had you known how hard this is, would you have tried? Elting, yes. With Natural Motion, I went through some really tough times.

100%. Most founders will say, had I known how hard this is, I would never have tried. Had you known how hard this is, would you have tried? Elting, yes. With Natural Motion, I went through some really tough times.

100%. Most founders will say, had I known how hard this is, I would never have tried. Had you known how hard this is, would you have tried? Elting, yes. With Natural Motion, I went through some really tough times.

There's several reasons. But the main reason now is that three founders, it's easier to build a company, even when you go through really difficult times, because you have each other to rely on. You have each other as a sounding board. It sounds a bit kumbaya, but it's very important.

There's several reasons. But the main reason now is that three founders, it's easier to build a company, even when you go through really difficult times, because you have each other to rely on. You have each other as a sounding board. It sounds a bit kumbaya, but it's very important.

There's several reasons. But the main reason now is that three founders, it's easier to build a company, even when you go through really difficult times, because you have each other to rely on. You have each other as a sounding board. It sounds a bit kumbaya, but it's very important.

Well, we've been through hard moments throughout the company, but really difficult times were over the last few weeks when we had to will into existence a hardware platform, having come into it, not knowing much about it, having to do it in record time, having to think about supply chains and everything else around it. I mean, that's difficult.

Well, we've been through hard moments throughout the company, but really difficult times were over the last few weeks when we had to will into existence a hardware platform, having come into it, not knowing much about it, having to do it in record time, having to think about supply chains and everything else around it. I mean, that's difficult.

Well, we've been through hard moments throughout the company, but really difficult times were over the last few weeks when we had to will into existence a hardware platform, having come into it, not knowing much about it, having to do it in record time, having to think about supply chains and everything else around it. I mean, that's difficult.

And you do it while there's lots of noise in the market and all kinds of other things, and you still have to build a company. And it's time consuming. There are lots of setbacks. And it is much easier to do it if you have several shoulders rather than just one to get through all of this stuff. And there'll be more setbacks happening.

And you do it while there's lots of noise in the market and all kinds of other things, and you still have to build a company. And it's time consuming. There are lots of setbacks. And it is much easier to do it if you have several shoulders rather than just one to get through all of this stuff. And there'll be more setbacks happening.

And you do it while there's lots of noise in the market and all kinds of other things, and you still have to build a company. And it's time consuming. There are lots of setbacks. And it is much easier to do it if you have several shoulders rather than just one to get through all of this stuff. And there'll be more setbacks happening.

Like with every startup, you just don't know what's going to happen. And you know what it's like with a startup. That's what I experienced at Natural Motion. You're already on the floor, you've already been punched in the face several times, and then another one comes, and then another one comes, which you didn't expect.

Like with every startup, you just don't know what's going to happen. And you know what it's like with a startup. That's what I experienced at Natural Motion. You're already on the floor, you've already been punched in the face several times, and then another one comes, and then another one comes, which you didn't expect.

Like with every startup, you just don't know what's going to happen. And you know what it's like with a startup. That's what I experienced at Natural Motion. You're already on the floor, you've already been punched in the face several times, and then another one comes, and then another one comes, which you didn't expect.

Those are the worst, is when you're kind of already, fuck, I'm done, and it's relentless. The only thing I would say is that with Natural Motion, we got out of it eventually. Even out of, we had some situations that were very hard to get out of, we still managed to do it.

Those are the worst, is when you're kind of already, fuck, I'm done, and it's relentless. The only thing I would say is that with Natural Motion, we got out of it eventually. Even out of, we had some situations that were very hard to get out of, we still managed to do it.

Those are the worst, is when you're kind of already, fuck, I'm done, and it's relentless. The only thing I would say is that with Natural Motion, we got out of it eventually. Even out of, we had some situations that were very hard to get out of, we still managed to do it.

One was when we did our integration into GTA 4 with our technology Euphoria, which was an animation runtime engine. We had already optimized the hell out of it. And we had great optimization people for gaming consoles. But GTA 4 was an amazing game and really pushed the consoles to its limits.