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Traci Alloway

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Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

And one of those discussions was in Chicago at another live show about six or seven months ago, back in October.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

We spoke with Don Wilson of DRW about the trading environment, but also about his new venture.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Right.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

And so his new venture is one that actually there's quite a bit of competition in and quite of excitement in.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

And it's essentially like, OK, GPUs, we know they're very important for the AI boom, et cetera.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

The question is, can GPU capacity, which is scarce.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Can it become a tradable commodity such that I can buy futures to lock in my price of access to compute power?

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Could I resell those futures?

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Will there be speculators speculating on the up or down price of like an H100, running an H100 NVIDIA chip for an hour?

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

This is a big question.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

We know there's a lot of interest in the actual compute, but whether there's interest in compute futures as tradable instruments is very TBD.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Yeah.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

And the analogy that everyone always uses is compute is the new oil.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

So why can't it have a market structure that looks somewhat like the oil market?

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

And there are challenges.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Fungibility is a big one.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Like one chip might not necessarily be equal to another chip.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Or one chip, the same chip at one data center might not be equal to the same chip at a different data center.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

Exactly.

Odd Lots
Carmen Li's Plan to Build a Futures Market for Compute

And so even if you're not interested in AI, what I say here is like the market structure questions and the idea of building an entirely new market is really fascinating to me.