Tracy Allaway

Like, I'm proud that I can tie my shoes.

No.

And it's very hard to... What would you use that for?

So we talked a little bit about maybe there was breakthrough in terms of design and the way you're twisting cords.

We don't really know because it was all organic material and it's decayed.

But we do know that rope kind of leapt from jute, natural fibers, to metals, to steel and things like that.

Talk to us about how important that was when it comes to, I guess, technological advancement in rope.

Oh, yeah.

This is going to be my next question, which is you actually in the book seem quite bullish on the space elevator idea.

And if you go and look up photos of it, it looks very sci fi.

Right.

It looks kind of out there.

But realistically, do you think this is going to happen like sometime in our lifetimes?

A consortium for everything, huh?

It matters to me.

I want to see the space elevators.

Can I just say I got distracted because I searched for graphene.

Someone's making graphene design earrings.

They have the little like hexagonal stamp on them.

It's kind of cool.