Tracy Alloway

OpenAI published a big industrial policy document, which, again, I think is kind of unusual to previous technological developments.

And yet governments seem kind of slow.

I don't want to generalize too much, but many governments seem kind of slow to get in and really start shaping what they want to do with AI.

Yeah.

Yeah, Joe, I was thinking about this specifically related to health care recently because I've seen a bunch of startups that are saying they're going to simplify the billing process for hospitals.

And then you also know that there are a bunch of insurance companies that are also using AI.

And it's like, well, if we're just going to have more computers debating with computers.

Yeah, exactly.

And like if the system itself doesn't change, nothing's going to improve.

I'm going to ask what is potentially an unfair and loaded question, but I think it might be quite illustrative of everything that we've been discussing.

When you look across the world, are there particular countries or cities that you think are doing industrial policy right in the sense that they're taking maybe a holistic approach with a defined strategy slash mission?

But this was the place to do it.

Or how to judge performance.

And that kind of gets back to the mission idea, which I do, I really, I like the idea of focusing on what you're trying to achieve rather than just how you're actually going about achieving it.

Like that makes a lot of sense to me if you're dealing with a vast bureaucracy with lots of different silos.

And also, I think like getting back to that expertise point does mean that you do develop that muscle internally within the organization rather than just like, OK, we're going to hire McKinsey to figure out how we're going to do something.

Instead, you say, well, we want to do X. Let's all get together and figure out how to do it.

Develop new medicines.

No, totally.

And I do think the unusual part of this moment in time, and a lot of people will argue that maybe it's marketing or whatever, but you do see the big tech CEOs like basically going on TV and, and saying like, we as a whole society need to figure out what we want to do here.