Trae (Trey) Stephens

It's, I mean, it's kind of corny at times, but it's, it's really good.

I mean, maybe it's not for kids, but no, no, it's very much for 10 year old kids.

That's like, that's the framing.

They have an iPad, but the iPad is for travel.

Okay.

When we're on an airplane or something like that, they don't have like day-to-day privileges to screens.

When do you think you'll give it to him?

Our oldest, the 12-year-old, is using a laptop for school now.

Yeah.

But he's not playing games or anything on his laptop.

He's just using it for school.

I mean, I don't know the exact answer to the question, but the kind of dodging answer is I'm going to hold out as long as possible.

Yeah.

Are you getting any pushback yet?

A little bit, but I think they also understand and appreciate how it's not good.

I mean, I'll even, you know, I'll hear my kids say things like, why are you using your phone?

Like, they want me to put my phone away too.

And it's a good reminder.

Like, yeah, if I'm going to have this rule that I believe that you shouldn't have it because it's bad for your brain.

Like, yeah, I'm not...