Trae (Trey) Stephens

We want to be part of these discussions.

And we actually listen to them.

And we're making decisions based on believing that.

But their entire moral background and the way that they think about these things is very different than even the nursery rhymes that have led to creating Western culture.

And so I think we have to start looking at them through the right lens in order to make the right strategic decisions to prepare for the worst.

Do you feel like that's starting to happen?

I feel like people are definitely taking it more seriously than they did even five years ago.

You know, when we started Android,

in 2017, we were telling the story to investors.

We believe that the future of national security is near-peer conflict.

This is about great powers.

We're moving out of counterterrorism.

That was eight years ago.

And it was super weird to even be telling that story.

And today, I feel like no one's confused about this anymore.

Obviously, we could talk about the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

how terrible that was.

But no one believes that nation building and counterterrorism is like the thing that we should be focusing on anymore.

Yeah, yeah.

I think we have...