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Travis Kalanick

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673 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

So you're lying to them.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

You're doing hospice care and you're telling them everything's going to be okay.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

But the patient's not making out-of-line options on Robin Hood while he's like, yeah, yeah, tell me more.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

Let's talk about that because the you and I are old enough to remember general magic.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

This vision was out there a long time ago with personal digital assistance.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

And you would just talk to an agent, it would go do this for you.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

This feels like a step to that, where it does all the work for you presents you the final moment and says approve.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

Almost like a concierge or a butler, yeah.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

And it already knows what to do.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

Keith, in some ways, this is a step towards that ultimate vision.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

So you'd think it's worth it to, you know, sort of perplexed to make this waypoint, perhaps, if you look at it as a waypoint between the ultimate vision, which is a command line, an earpiece.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

How do you get distribution, Jason, for the 19th web browser in 2025?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

Well, yeah, that is a challenge.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

And I think most people are speculating Apple, which has a lot of users, might buy perplexity or do a deal with perplexity and give them that distribution because of the Justice Department case against Google.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

So there's been a lot of speculation about that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

But Keith, what do you think?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

The pick a vertical and own it strategy.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

Well, I mean, Keith, the way you phrase it there almost makes it worth it for Apple to throw a Hail Mary, have a team with some taste, because that's how they tend to do things, is something that is elegant.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

And why not just throw your search to it?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Grok 4 Wows, The Bitter Lesson, Elon’s Third Party, AI Browsers, SCOTUS backs POTUS on RIFs

Throw $10 billion at a complexity team and see what happens.