Travis Kelsey
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Yeah, I mean, the old dad shoes suggest otherwise, but those are the I'm-out-the-game shoes right there.
Okay, mom.
She's composed.
Your question, man, I hope I just made the right decision.
Joining us today, the 6'9", born from Akron, Ohio, the number one pick of 2003 NBA Draft, 2004 Rookie of the Year, 20-time NBA All-Star, four-time MVP, four-time NBA champion, three-time gold medalist, and the NBA all-time leader in career points. That's right, 92 percenters. Please welcome Northeast Ohio's finest, Mr. LeBron James!
Who's going to clean that shit up now? Kylie is not going to be happy about this. We got a list of questions. Again, you do not have to answer, but we do have to ask them. There's a story about you playing in an infamous pickup game with Michael Jordan when you were 16 years old. What was it like? Is that true? Like, can you tell us how you played? Yeah.
Wilco. We got Twin Peaks. We got The Day the Earth Stood Still. We are movie nerds in our household.
I'm far away from you guys in Los Feliz.
Oh, well, we like run away from our homes because we're so ashamed from our past selves. We're trying to escape. I agree. I think there's something there.
This was my freshman year of high school. I was in an English language honors class. My mom was really strict on maintaining A's and B's. We would read a book every quarter, maybe two books a quarter, and she would do weekly reading checks. Our teacher, let's call her Mrs. Puff.
He did assigned reading growing up. It was really difficult. I would push it off to the last second. So that class, which required a lot of assigned reading, I was falling behind. I was teetering. 85 is a B, 84 is a C. Well, that's bullshit. 79 is a C. In South Carolina, where I grew up, it was 85 to 92 was a B. Oh, yeah.
That sucks. It was tough. I had to maintain that in my household. So we're reading this book. We have a reading check. I'm at the point, if I do bad on another reading check, it's going to bring my grade down to a C. And I'm really dreading it. So we have this test on a Tuesday. Monday night comes, I didn't read. And this is 2010, 2011.
So there's not iPhones when you get to school, you can like cram, you can do the spark notes. So I get to school, the class before my English class is PE. We're doing basketball. It's one of my loves. We're in a really intense pickup game. I'm playing point guard. At one point I get elbowed really hard in the chest. I'm okay.
It took me a second to catch my breath, but I kind of had this light bulb moment. Maybe I just exaggerate this a bit. So when I get to this class, I can go to the nurse and take the test a little later. I finished the class. I didn't go to the nurse right away. I went to the locker room. I'm trying to sell it a little bit. I'm not telling anyone of my ideas. So I'm sitting in the locker room like,
I'm really not feeling that great. And they're like, oh man, you good? I'm like, yeah, I really got elbowed really hard and I'm just not really doing too hot. And they're like, oh man, you good? I'm like, yeah, I'll be good. I'll be good. I'm walking to class. I'm really trying to sell it as I'm walking. I'm dragging ass a little bit. I'm walking up the stairs, maybe stopping every few steps.
You can't go over the top, but you have to plant these seeds.
Get in the full character. I make it to class. It's second period. I'm sitting next to a couple of guys. The guy sitting next to me is this guy, Caleb. So I'm like, yeah, guys, I'm really not feeling good. Even Caleb looks at me. He's like, man, do you think you should go to the nurse? I'm like, I think I'm good.
I don't take sympathy very well. Like if someone feels bad for me and try to pat me on the back, I'm like, oh no, I'm fine. That's my initial reaction. And I try to play into that here. So I'm kind of thinking we're going to maybe do a couple of things before the test starts.
We have morning announcements and then immediately my teacher, Mrs. Puff is like, all right guys, we're going to get to go on the test. And I'm like, okay, it's showtime. Raise my hand. I'm like, Mrs. Puff. And she's like, Noah, don't interrupt me while I'm talking. That's rude. In that moment, I got really heated. I think my defense mechanism really went off.
Immediately, this fire goes off in my head and I raise my hand and I scream at the top of my lungs.
And I put my head on my desk. I just made myself hyperventilate. Because what do you do when you're having a heart attack?
She sprints out of the room and yells, call 911.
What I'm doing right now, I don't realize until much, much later on that it is really illegal.
I don't think I can get in trouble now. No, no, no. So she runs out of the room. She's like, someone call 911.
There's no being like, just kidding.
The whole class is cleared out.
And an EMS comes. They're like talking to me. I'm not answering any of their questions.
Oh, my God. I'm giving them a couple words. They bring in an air tank and they give me oxygen.
Yeah, they took my pulse. They're like, yeah, it's probably an anxiety attack that this kid's having. So they put me on a stretcher and they stretch me out of the high school. I had a really big high school. It was like 4,000 students. So I get taken to the hospital. I'm sitting there. My mom shows up.
We have a strict household. I'm terrified of my mom. I'd rather do this than go through the argument. So I'm sitting there. My vice principal shows up. The principal of our freshman academy is there. The whole time I'm just acting dopey. I'm like, I'm okay. I'm doing better. That was really scary. Okay. I end up waiting however long it takes to get x-ray results, an hour or two.
My doctor comes in, he's like, I'm glad you're doing better. We found some interesting things on your x-rays. It turns out you have a bruise on your sternum. I was like, oh, yeah, I got elbowed in basketball earlier. He's like, when you have trauma that suffered to the chest area, sometimes our bodies react in a way that is uncontrollable, which might have caused your body to go into panic.
This guy's helping me get out of it. I swear. Right. He doesn't embarrass you that you had a panic attack. Exactly. I got sent home. I had the next day of school off. So because it all happened on school property, it all ended up being covered by the school, which is great because my family didn't have health insurance. Oh my God. So my mom would have gotten really screwed.
Going to the hospital in an ambulance is incredibly expensive.
It would put my family into so much trouble financially. The next day I go back to school, I shamelessly made my way over to Mrs. Puff's room. She's like, Noah. She hugs me. She's like, I'm so glad to see you. I'm like, thanks. This is so bad. I'm feeling so much better. I missed that test the other day. Can I make it up after school? And she's like, don't worry about that test.
She gave me an A or a B, so it didn't affect my grade.
So I didn't tell anyone about it. It was like two years later, I told my best friend about it. We were smoking weed and I was like, Brian, I fucking faked the heart attack. It's like, what? The heart attack.
Later on my senior year of high school, this is like three years later, I was in a talent show. I did a standup bit and I was not really doing good at writing jokes. So I decided to tell the heart attack story. Turns out Mrs. Puff is one of the judges at the talent show.
Yeah. I said it all happened in sixth grade. I changed her name to Mrs. Applebottom Jeans Boots with the Fur because that was in the zeitgeist at the time. The bit killed and I won the talent show.
Oh, my God, Mrs. Puff.
And neither my parents were there. So that's kind of where it is.
I don't feel great about it.
You have a big smile on your face. I think you do feel great about it.
I promise I've changed. I've learned. I don't think I could do that now.
They would be very upset.
It was fight or flight, 100%.
Thank you for listening.
Great to meet you. Also, before I let you go, my girlfriend's the one that signed this up. Can I get her to say hi? She's a huge fan.
She's about to do a job interview, so this is going to make her day. This is Elise.
Do you want to sing a tune or something? We don't have a theme song. Oh. Okay, great.
And he's in a rat race with Ike Barinholtz.
Yeah, it was downtown.
All right, well, you're better than me. I thought it was the NBA team used to play out in Richfield. That's what I'm thinking. The Cavs used to play out. And then they moved that downtown. They created the Gateway Sports District in the 90s. And that brought both teams downtown. And that's when the baseball team was thriving. NBA was at its peak. I don't know.
Yeah, there you go.
First Energy or Huntington Bank is. All right. Well, let's keep it moving.
Jason's DEXA scan. What are you over there talking about? What do you got going?
Honey Bobo.
Ah, very fat, I see.
Yeah, it is.
I'm not sure what you're even asking me.
Your weight? Your weight is 283.
You've lost 30 pounds. That's crazy.
Lean mass, 207 pounds of muscle.
We got to get that down.
We got to get that down.
All right. Yeah. I mean, 270 is your fucking hefty load, dude. Big man. So I get it. I get it. But that's a lot of muscle as well. All right. So what's the point of this? You and Bo just wanted to have a competition? Dude, this is why you're still playing.
So what was, do we know Bo, what was Bo's DEXA scan? Where is he at?
Yeah. You have more to cut.
18 at fucking two. So he weighs more than you, but has less body fat.
I was about to say, I think he, that's the disadvantage right there.
You heard this competition before.
He has less fat to give up.
I thought you were going to bring up his narrow hips, and you never did it. Not one time.
Oh, no. Jason won. That's hilarious.
I think it is. I think it's motivation for you. I think it's motivation for you.
And then we'll take it to a poll.
So the 92% is in Greenlight, yeah.
You always bring up someone's narrow hips, and you just didn't do it.
A lot of fun. There you go.
Yeah.
I think it's all, I might have, I got a fucking dome, but I don't think I'm dense.
Not much up there.
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This Thursday, we're dropping in an exclusive combo with Aspen.com's Athlete of the Week. That's right. Jake Chadsgee.
Jake, that's right. Yeah, he's on the front of Sports Illustrated here. Guts and Glory. Jake forgot to tell us that he played for the Oakland A's back in the day and was the guts of the Bay Area there. jake i didn't know you were a heavyweight when you were a kid i was about to say What's your DEXA scan?
He's awesome.
Oh, Andrew Gardner, yeah. Chipmunks. What is it? Chipmunks.
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There it is, the unload. Unload Chipmunks on YouTube. Before we get to the Jason Tatum interview, we got some fan mentions we want to give a big shout out to. Thank you to all the 92%ers who tag us with all of this beautiful hobby horsing. That's right. Abby Rad Milovich, I believe is how you say it. Not sure how this ended up on my algorithm, but it seems. Check this out.
over hurdles that are taller than her yeah makes you ask how much how much higher she could jump if she didn't have that fucking silly ass she could fucking be you ever just tried high jumping you can go represent your country and i think this might be more challenging than high jumping if we're being honest i mean i'm over this jason what This is more challenging.
I cannot agree to that. But I do think this is the most impressive hobby horsing thing I've seen.
Yeah.
Don't crush my dreams. I'm 35 and I still got hoop dreams, man. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, a 100 show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. We've partnered exclusively with Reese's Cups to bring you this episode with limited interruptions. That's right. This is all Reese's or Reese's, however you want to say it.
Gosh, we're going to need Judge Jake's sister to jump in on this one.
I mean, only if, like, when you hit the bar, it doesn't just fall off the thing. If the bar is there for good, meaning if you hit it, you will fuck your shit up.
Yes. But if it's just, I'm not, no. I want to see a life or death situation. I don't want to see just happy-go-lucky jumping over the... I want to get into it again.
I want to play rugby. I want to play all this stuff.
I got on the ice. I finally got on the ice, dude.
Dude, I literally look like Happy Gilmore.
trying out for a hockey team like it is so bad it is a full send for me but it is i you could tell i am off balance you could tell every slap shot i end up on the ice but how'd you how'd it make you feel like a little kid i loved every fucking bit of it best dude it was fucking epic it was so much fucking fun i just want to go around different beer leagues and freaking like just play
Okay.
Okay, I think I've seen this.
I'm here. I love backyard games. Those things are the funnest.
But it's basketball. You're just combining different games.
Yeah.
Jesus. Not if you unfatten yourself, Jason. Nice. Well, shout out to the fan mention of the week there. I say we toss it to the old Jason Tatum interview. Hey! Get to what all the 92%ers have been waiting for.
You know how I feed my fandom every March? With Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Of course! A chocolate and buttery peanut butter delight. That peanut butter and chocolate fits perfectly with the madness.
It's a big sanity for my mental happiness and my taste bud happiness.
Ooh, I was smacking all those Reese's sticks.
The go-to snack of March, April, May, October, every single month, every single year.
Nice. All right. Well, get ready. Get ready to hear some numbers. Here's some nerds. Here we go, boys. Who doesn't love nerds? I mean, I'm in on nerds. I just didn't know everybody else was.
All right, Jason, you want to do the honors? Let's do it. Are you ready? Who are you talking to? Are you talking to me or are you talking to Jason? God, this is going to be tough, man. Is it JT? I guess I got to go JT. Can I go JT? Nice, nice. I heard you took that nickname over anyways from Jeff Teague. Yeah, I heard that one. All right, so JT it is. That'll help me at least differentiate it.
Go ahead, Jay Sean.
Yeah, we saw the ankle injury up there in Sacramento, man. Hopefully everything's good, and you'll be back on the court ASAP, brother. But how's everything feeling?
Yeah, recently. $6.1 billion. What was your cut? I won't disclose that on this show. Well played. Smart man right there. He's a smart man. I don't know nothing. That had to be interesting news, though, for you as a player. I've never had my organization sold before. It's always been the same ownership since the 60s, essentially. Same family. Do you expect to have a different feel in the building?
It is a banger. You are the anomaly, dog. What's like one of the most random nicknames that you've gotten? Maybe not even on Twitter, just like growing up or like in the park or wherever. A lot of my close friends, they call me Taco.
Hard shell.
Okay, all right. After one year at Duke, you were drafted just at 19 years old. I don't know what the fuck I would be doing if I was a professional at 19, let alone a professional NBA player. You got to tell us, what was the silliest thing you bought with your first, like, NBA check? Did you do anything crazy?
Did you, like, go out and grab something insane, like a fucking human-sized hamster ball or some shit?
I think that'd be fun, a Howie and Veach episode. We've already had Howie on, though.
Jason, you're insane. This is all people talk about is Ethernet cables. Go ahead, Jason.
Jason turned 19 and found out he was eligible to go and get a loan out so then he could then buy a TV to play video games on that was bigger than the TV he already had. So that's what we were doing when we were 19. But stuff in the pantry definitely does it, man. That had to be fucking crazy. Are you a fan of the one and done rule?
Like the year at Duke, did you think it made you that much better and prepared for the NBA? Or do you think you might have been able to be one of those guys that just jumped straight to the NBA?
It's it's cool to hear, though, that it kind of like it gets your professionalism. It makes you understand how to be a pro, especially at a program like Duke. Yeah. With Coach K and everybody, I'm sure you you you saw the the. what is it, the prestige of it, and you were like, you bought in immediately. Let's talk a little March Madness. Jason, you want to hit it?
Ah, God.
You knew McNeese was going to beat Clemson. Give me...
Thank you.
Fucking love Nick Wright.
Thank you. Thank you.
Let's do it. See how many of you guys can follow along with the... A full undergoing of...
Thank you.
Thank you.
interviews what other people that work in the nfl would be interesting to talk to i mean i wouldn't say dirty jobs we got some fucking we got some top tier talent in terms of personalities in the kansas city chiefs organization um got my guy alan right who's been around for it feels like 100 years i'm pretty sure he was he's been the equipment manager since like the 60s i think
There you go.
I think he was here when they moved to Kansas City. Yeah, I would love to hear how – especially dealing with sponsors. He's been through it through Reebok and Nike and all these different equipment and all the – how he's seen the helmets progress.
Shout out.
And I'm telling you, keep having those conversations with the guys that are out of the league that, you know what I mean, are later in their career because I'm still learning from guys. I'm taking shit that my brothers told me.
You told me literally to wear the special gear. No, but he I still take notes from a guy like Tony Gonzalez or a guy like like Shannon Sharp. I'll hear what these guys, you know, say they did towards the end of their careers that helped them get the best out of their body week in, week out. And it's like it's just a nonstop like. of, like, trying to better yourself.
And I can see it right now, the way Al Horford plays the game, his alertness, his attention to detail. He's always in the right spot, always ready for the moment. Like, I can see that definitely being somebody you could look up to, man, or at least take notes from like that. Your profile picture is actually you with Kobe Bryant.
What was your impression of Boston fans initially, or at least before you got to Boston?
Bring those back up. That was the hardest thing to get ready when you were a little kid.
Keeping those hip pads and tail pads in, man.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Man, they used to be the fucking worst. You had to fucking take the... rinky-dink belt that you have. Anyways.
Shout out to Coach Reed for being the man, for not getting too riled up. But, no, that's too funny, man. You can tell Joe does it the right way, man. He seems like he has you guys enjoying what you're doing. And that's always, I think, the hardest part as a coach in any of these professional leagues is making it serious enough
but at the same time so loose that everybody feels comfortable being themselves and making it, you know, a fun thing or an enjoyable process. You know what I mean? He seems like he's got that all figured out, man.
I'll tell you what, man, you just mentioned there's like 60 guys on our team and you guys got just 12, but do you know everybody on your team? Yeah, of course. I mean, there are, obviously there are like the handful of guys like on the practice squads and, and everything that come in and out per week.
Yeah. Got my guy Pistol Pete. Making sure the place is spick and span and everybody's happy with the vibes.
Like we'll, we'll have a, like a transition and like a switch in and out every single week of like, just God development guys. But for the most part, I know everybody. If I don't know you, I'll go up to you and say, what's up? Like you, You want to be able to at least, you know what I mean, keep it and make everybody feel like they're a part of it.
No way!
I just made me think about that. He's a tough son of a gun too, man. That's one dude I am not fucking around with. And he's been like that too. He's a hell of a competitor, man. I've seen him actually hoop. At least he tries. I'm not going to say he's a bad hooper or a great hooper. He's going to compete his ass off, though.
You ain't lying. If he's guarding me, I'm uncomfortable. If he's guarding me, I'm uncomfortable. He is the epitome of an NFL guy playing defensive basketball.
I hear you on that. I hear you on this. You're making a great point, and I hear what you're saying.
Jack of all trades. Jack of all trades. He's doing everything he needs.
Don't crush my dreams. Don't crush my dreams. I'm 35 and I still got hoop dreams, man.
That's hilarious.
That is typically the deal.
There you go.
You were mentioning Terrell Pryor growing up. What I'm telling you right now, I think Terrell Pryor's best sport was basketball in high school. I played against him on the court, and I always looked at him and other guys that were in my grade, like all the camps that I went to and stuff. And I'm like, man, this dude, he's a different type of athlete, man.
I think maybe even a trainer episode.
And he definitely had offers to go D1 in both sports and just decided he wanted to be a quarterback. Yeah.
Man, when I tell you with the ball in his hands too, he was fucking special.
I hear you on that. Well, glad we got that out the way. That was actually pretty good. I mean, you're right. I feel everything you're saying.
Give some love to my trainers over there.
Oh, Mark was a good one, though. Mark, he finished strong. He probably helped you out in the playoffs for sure. He finished strong with a bunch of touchdowns.
Glove Julie. Let's start off with what the 92 percenters want. And it looks like they want to talk numbers.
He's got it all covered.
Who's just trying to tag you?
did end up getting it but if they would have given it to Lamar I wouldn't have been like hey he deserved it too yeah there's no wrong answer I believe let's get to some no dumb questions all right now hey we always ask our fan base the 92 percenters to send us their questions and uh there's no dumb questions just two dummies answering it and then the anomaly so would you still want to be six foot eight if you were bad at sports uh it's a great question
We always do. Neck rolls. That's funny as hell. Yeah, bring back the neck rolls. There's still guys out here that are rocking them for sure.
Like how bad? Like you're not even getting picked at the rec.
Yeah.
I respect it.
For sure.
You still finding a way to get some space? Flip-flops?
Yeah, that's a great question. Let's pass that one. Who's on your Mount Rushmore of basketball players? Mike, Bron, Kobe. This is where it gets tricky.
I would say Kareem. Kareem? You're going Kareem. The hook shot. Kareem, okay. I respect it. I respect it. Listen, man, do you think his hook shot would still be as unstoppable in today's game?
I love watching highlights of that thing just –
I got in a full-ass fight. JT, I was nice in the paint. I was only 6'5", but I was nice in the paint. I believe it.
In basketball, yeah. That's actually very interesting.
The badge used to be fucking the size of SUVs.
Here we go.
I was about to say, man, hold on, hold on. You already mentioned the Rams once. You already mentioned the Rams once. I'm trying to think of what eras those would have been for you. Like the Steven Jackson era? Yeah, who was your team?
Yeah, baby. Jason, I finally got my backpack. I'm back in Kansas City. Nice. Isn't it cool?
All right, let's keep it moving. Brandon Graham retires on top of the world. There we go, BG. Congrats on a hell of a fucking career, big guy.
Cincinnati and Cleveland had a very similar thing, especially with the two being sports rivals in the... In the AFC East or the AFC North, I mean. No, we definitely completely agree with that. We ended up going to Cincinnati, so we ended up getting kind of love from both cities and having that love for both cities. So when they moved to L.A., did you go to L.A. with them? No, absolutely not.
And this is why you play fantasy football.
I appreciate you jumping on and I'm sorry that you had to endure that. Nah, man. I respect it for sure. How do you guys feel like it's been trying to defend that championship. Like how, how tough has it been throughout the year? And I mean, you guys are getting everybody's fucking best shot right now.
And I'm sure it's a, it's a lot different playing 16 games than it is playing 82, uh, regular season games, trying to, trying to like navigate weekend, week out different lineups, different, you know, you guys are going to have to probably play a few games without you in it. Like how difficult has it been?
Hell yeah.
Well, nice, man. I think that does it for our No Dumb Questions. Get into our last segment, man. Get you out of here. We appreciate you having fun with us, JT, man.
This is our last segment. We close out all the convos with a segment called We Gotta Ask, but you don't have to answer. You can tell us to fuck off and kick rocks, or you can have fun answering some of these silly questions, man. What was your welcome to the NBA moment?
I go... Just play it cool, man. Just play it cool.
Get real cheeky. Your childhood friends with the beaut, as they call him in hockey, Matthew Kachuk. That's right. He's a beauty, man. Him and his brother were recent guests of the show as they represented USA in the Four Nations Tournament. That was fun seeing them throw their hands and fight for the USA in that regard.
You guys recreated this old photo of you both because you guys grew up around each other, huh? in the St. Louis area.
It's a good reach. Goalie? Fuck, man. Jason used to force me to be the fucking goalie. He'd be like, no, I'm taking shots on you. And he would just rip them from like 10 feet away. I'm like, come on, man. This is fucked up. We got two champions in their respective sports, but there's a third guy.
hanging out in the back of these uh this picture right here i don't know if it's the same kid or is the third is he the third that's the homie is he i was about to say has he won any championships or i don't think so
Your seven-year-old son, Deuce, is always courtside. Are you going to be able to play in the NBA long enough to maybe play with your son? Get the Celtics to draft him?
That's what I'm talking about. Keep chugging it, Deuce. Why would I do that? It's way more fun to shoot this thing. I'm watching you doing it. Did you ever get a follow back from LeBron? Did he ever follow you back? Still waiting? We got the old tweet from back in April of 2012, man. King James follow back is Larry Hughes' nephew from St. Louis. Shout out to Larry Hughes, man.
Cavalier for a while. I definitely was rocking with him for a while. But that's pretty cool, man. To have an uncle or someone like Larry in the league already and Yeah, did you ever get the follow back?
Oh, shit. So he finally leaned in once you guys were in the Eastern Conference finals together?
Oh, listen, you already know somebody like me. Do you bring out my 2012 tweets? Right. We're going to have a fucking field day. I can't even spell shit. I would have spelled cousin with no O. There was no autocorrect back then. Nice, man. Glad you got the follow from Bron in that, man, you're chasing your second ring, big dog.
And appreciate you coming on here and chopping it up with us in the 92 Percenters, man. Everybody, Jason Tate. Yeah, baby. Appreciate you, dog. Thanks for all the time too, man. Much love. Get that ankle right. And yeah, I might have to catch you courtside at Eastern Conference Finals game, man. Catch you against Cleveland again, man. That was their last year too. Yeah, it was just the end.
You don't play it that long unless you love it, man.
It was like the end of the season.
I could use a little sugar rush here. Get through this.
Wishing you nothing but the best, man. Go and get you another one, big dog. Appreciate you guys. You know it. All right, now, well, that does it for our interview with Jason Tatum, man. I love talking to champions, man. The guy, you could tell why he is a champion. You know, the guy just has such a professionalism about him.
Yeah.
No.
Auburn and Florida.
I'm not sure if that's how it works. But Jake and Brandon do, and Brandon and Jake are both at the – They're winning.
They're in both brackets because they cheat, and they just give themselves extra points, I'm sure.
Yeah. I also took Akron over Arizona. I'm a dumbass. So did I. Go Mac.
We're idiots. You did call it with those silver spoons. Stop it.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
What do I want to do? What do I want to do? Ooh, I think you can get some Reese's Sticks. I ain't had no Reese's Sticks in a minute.
Thank you.
I'm sure he'll stick around Philly just like you did, man.
Shout out to BG.
Oh, yeah, you know, Philly's always going to make sure that they get those billboards out there.
Nice.
Philly does it right. They always support the most loyal to the city, and BG was one of them, baby. As he always will be. As he always will be. He ain't going nowhere anytime fast. We know that. Yeah, the Browns tweeted out a look at a proposed new indoor stadium. Okay. How about that, man? The Browns. Everyone's going indoor because of the, what is this thing?
Get a nice little crunch going. God, those are good. They are good. Listen to this crunch.
I just, I don't know why, what it is about me. I don't know what it is about us. We just, we.
I just feel like sports towns, it feels better when it's downtown.
It does look real nice. Yeah. What about driving downtown?
Yeah. I'll tell you what, though.
This thing looks sweet.
This looks epic. It looks great. It looks like some shit out of Star Wars. It does look pretty cool. It looks like a spaceship. That thing looks awesome. Just do it downtown, Cleveland. We love being around...
That's unfortunate. It's a proposed $2.4 billion stadium in Brook Park. Do you at least agree that an indoor stadium is kind of going against the nature of living up there on the lake? I don't like anything about this.
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Do you think that outdoor stadiums should get...
Very true.
It was an experience, man. It was a fun experience. You're walking through the tunnels or the catwalks that connect all the buildings. It was fun.
I fucking hate the heat, man.
It's the worst.
Just make it a retractable roof and keep the elements, and then when you want to fucking do a stadium for a live show in December, close the roof.
Yeah.
All indoors, regardless, should have the situation that Vegas and Arizona have of the field going in and out. It has to be grass. This turf stuff has to fucking kick rocks, man.
All right. Well, at least we agreed on something.
Do you like the stadium? No. I mean, I think the stadium looks fucking beautiful. I think it's very cool. We were kids when they got a new stadium. I don't think that the stadium that they have is outdated. I mean, I guess it's 20 years old.
It's just something about taking the Rapids all the way downtown. And I'm sure they'll have some sort of way that you could take the Rapids out to Brook Park from everywhere in Cleveland. But it's just, it's just such a unique feeling going downtown, feeling the excitement of everyone going down to the, to the busiest part of city. and that atmosphere that it creates in Cleveland for sure.
I'm pretty sure municipal. I'm not sure where municipal stadium was. But I don't think it was downtown.
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Yeah, exactly. All that shit. Yeah, you already know. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey, representing America.
I don't know. Did you guys grow up playing together or was it too far apart?
So, so I'm not sure when exactly did they start doing the four nations tournament for, for all the football, like listeners that we got on here instead of the all-star game, they went with the four nations tournament, right?
yeah right that's right as we uh we got a fun episode for you um and we'll get into that in a second but uh we are recording this on a beautiful sunday morning um in different parts of the world uh jason i just realized that you have a new portrait sitting right above your head that's actually um it's a beautiful portrait of us has that always been there has that not been there i think that's been there for a while
This was the first year. I was about to say, I don't remember this happening ever before.
And the product. The product. The games were fucking fun as fuck to watch. Outside of, you know what I mean, the two brawls or the three brawls within the first, like, minute of the game. Dude, it was electric the entire tournament. And I think that, you know, me and Jason grew up playing hockey. I don't know if you guys knew this, but Jason played through high school.
I only played up to eighth grade. Don't get me wrong. It was just like double-A hockey. It wasn't anything too crazy, but... It was it was one of the most fun sports that I played growing up. And I wish I would have fucking stayed on the ice just because of how much fun you have when you you get out there. Did you guys like grow up playing other sports or was it just hockey?
Because I know the road to the NHL isn't your traditional road where typically guys go through like the high school ranks and everything like that. Like they go through juniors up in Canada. There's a lot of different like avenues you can go. Yeah. What was it? What was it like growing up playing hockey?
All year round. All year round.
Listen, man, but you gotta allow it, baby.
I've been arguing to get that rule set in the NFL for years. I mean, could you imagine just once every game you just get a fucking – You're allowed one fight. Take the helmet off and just start throwing. I told Jason, I was like, we ever played the Eagles? I was fucking coming out there. I was going to drop that.
Rejuvenated, baby. Rejuvenated.
So how the buildup and everything and how it snowballed and all that from the first game is so awesome. But there had to be a little bit of you. You said you were joking around where it was like you knew your dad did something very similar to this in 1996. Like the first 20 seconds of the game, I believe that was the that's how it went down with him as well. Right.
We're living through our NHL brothers, man. We appreciate you guys.
Our hockey fights never got out of the locker. We were locker box in the middle of hockey camps and stuff like that. But that was as far as it got.
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new news is brought to you by my dead friend zoe travis what is correct yeah what do we got going on here trap um well i um i helped support this film uh from a distance it's about the military it's about veterans coming back from war specifically uh afghanistan and um and having to deal with you know the problems of uh losing somebody in war that they went to combat with oh wow
I love it.
If somebody gets like cheeky and like, kind of like dodges and like, like moves, is it, is it frowned upon if a guy like kind of like flanks or if he like tries to any rules or any unwritten, is there any other finesse kind of move that you make? That's like,
That shit's awesome, man. My favorite reaction was when they cut to Matthew in the penalty box after you started fucking brawling. Dude, you were fucking banging on the glass. Dude, I can only imagine how that feels to watch your brother just be on his team fighting for your country.
It's like the one time you get to represent your country and you guys know you guys did it the most badass way, man. That shit's so cool.
It's a it's a beautiful story. I think it's it's something that, you know, a lot of veterans deal with when they come back home. And and I thought it was it was obviously a star studded with people like Morgan Freeman, Ed Harris, Sonequa Martin Green and Natalie Morales. I think it was just it was it made sense to to help support this film. And it is getting absolutely great reviews.
maybe you know when my dad played it was minnesota and boston and michigan so it's growing a lot right now we just we just got to keep it going and keep putting together good performances yep fuck yeah man well growing up in a hockey house man your dad played 19 seasons in the nhl which is god damn that's impressive man so you guys grew up in st louis were you guys big blues fans or who are you guys cheering on in terms of like who you guys were attracted to uh growing up in uh in the nhl world was it like brett hall and the boys or what
And it is out this Friday.
Jason, you ended up getting into a little fun with our guys Fitz and Witt.
Yeah, jumped on the couch with the boys.
This wasn't anything special. He just puts.
New Orleans.
It was epic. We already know mini sticks is a classic.
He sounds like a fucking man. You guys are making your dad sound like a fucking OG. I love it. How was it? How cool was it to get them to drink out of the Stanley cup, man?
Dude, one of my favorite stories. Fitz is over there talking about the night that the whole gang came over to my house in KC like three years ago.
Hell yeah. Hell yeah. We talk about how the Stanley Cup is the coolest of all the fucking trophies, man. It's not even close. And the tradition where each player gets a chance to, you know, have a day with them. And I just think it's, where the fuck did this guy just go?
Yeah, so did you take it back home with you? Or what was the... Did you get a day with it or a couple days? How did it work with you after you won it?
It was so unexpected.
So unexpected for them to actually show up. I was like, dude, there's no way they're actually going to show up. I sent them the address and they all pull up and I'm just over here just like having the best time with them. And I was like a little kid in a candy store. I'm pretty sure we won the game and I was on, you know, had the whole crew over the house, including everybody that was in the suite.
This fucking jabroni.
That's awesome. I just remember going up into the attic and just grabbing the most like like all the shit I'm trying to hide from everybody. Like random like artwork and like portraits and like T-shirts and shit. And it was just so funny. He's just walking around the place like he owned it. Every time he came down the steps, it was with something even more embarrassing than the last.
Absolutely. I remember Osh, man. Once we went to flip cup, I started kind of getting a little like bending the rules a little bit. Dude, he was not having it, man. I was like, I'm one more like cheating, like. One more time cheating away from just getting fucking socked by my guy right here, man.
Ovechkin's the man. If you guys drop gloves. On the ice, between you two or maybe even you and your dad, who's winning out of you three?
That's hilarious. Good, man. The guy's the absolute best. And if you haven't watched, are you smarter than a celebrity? Fitzpatrick is the fucking man. Hell yeah. Fitz magic is he's, he's a Harvard grad. So he's absolutely brilliant. He's witty. And, and he, he made it so much fun to be a part of that show with him. So make sure you guys check out.
It is.
I didn't play – the hardest I've ever been hit on the ice is like against you in practice. It was just – I never – I was – I was like six, one, six, two on skates in eighth grade. Like I was always the biggest kid. So there was nobody really like throwing me around yet. Yeah. But yeah, I've had my fair share of knockout blows coming over the middle for sure. Yeah. I don't know. I wouldn't know.
What position would you guys play? Let me ask you that. What position do you guys think you would play?
No Mikey Braves in there, man. Hell yeah.
This is great.
I feel like if you're around hockey players enough, you kind of hear like the natural, like, I don't know, like slang and just like lingo that you guys use on the ice. And it's like, I don't know. It's so fun to be around, especially when you guys are competing. I don't know. I just I feel like there's definitely something like that. I didn't know if you guys had any fun shit for us.
Are you smarter than a celebrity with me and him and I'm good old prime video, baby.
We have a stat here. Through the first 400 games, you guys lined up with your dad, and the penalty minutes are fucking off the charts. Through 400 games, Brady, you're at 588, which is fucking ridiculous. Matthew, you're at 395, but your dad is at a staggering 1,000.
Jason, you want to talk about the parade you were at, dude? You went to a parade out there in Philly, yeah.
This is through 400 games.
Do you guys think you'll ever catch that by the end of your careers?
You would have stayed on the fucking ice.
Jason notoriously leads, you know, and still has the record for Ohio State hockey for penalty minutes.
No, can't tell me any different, Jason. Can't tell me. Until you prove that stat wrong, you led the state.
Dude, we fucking loved that movie growing up, man. One of my favorites also, though, is Sneaky. I know. Well, you're right. But one of my sneaky favorites is Mystery Alaska. Oh, yeah. Dude, that one, that one's a sneaky, like, dude, I got to watch that. I haven't seen that one in forever, but that was one of my favorites.
It was like Wonder World.
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You know, it was so fun watching you guys and still watching you guys, you know, chase after the cup this year, man. But it's so cool seeing, you know, the family dynamic before the championship of the Four Nations game with your dad, your mom and you two sitting down.
It's just it was so cool for me to relate, knowing that I had something similar with Jason going into the Super Bowl, which was, you know, as close as we ever got on the field. So, yeah. it was, it's just awesome. You guys do it the right way. You could tell you guys, his family is amazing and so happy for you guys, man. Good luck chasing the cup this year and appreciate you guys coming on, man.
Thank you for having us.
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I've taken it everywhere that I've been, Jason. But I do take it absolutely everywhere, and I drink it at least once a day. I just don't feel like myself anymore without drinking it. That's how much a part of my life it is now.
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Dude, seriously.
I'm fucking with that. You already know, man. And I don't know why, man. I just want to fucking have a few more beers with my guy Matthew, man. Get Brady down there to Tahoe. That shit would fucking be so cool.
Get some mini sticks. That shit would get so dangerous.
Yeah.
I'm with it. We can make it up. I don't give a shit. I got time. I'll tell you, there's something about the world of hockey that I just feel like it's a hidden gem, man. We got to get, we got to get some more of the greats on here, man. We get, we get the great one on here.
Yeah. Uh, man, some absolute legends. That was one thing I was always so jealous of you being in Philly. Of what, the Flyers? Dude, just being able to go and watch the Flyers, even going down to Xfinity the year we did and watching the game down there. That was so much fucking fun, man.
Dude, what? Fuck yes. I've been fucking on that train for a while. I don't know if Kansas City loves it as much as I do. We got a minor league team.
People will show up. We have a minor league hockey team, the KC Mavericks.
I hear you, dude.
Mavericks.
Yeah.
Kansas City cattle.
Never in my life have I ever heard that.
Goddamn. Now I want to see what a cow on ice looks like.
That's actually fucking gold.
Pat's here for any competitive sport. Yeah? Yeah, he's here for it all. I don't know if he's ever been to a game, but he definitely got fired up for the Four Nations. That's for sure. I mean, who didn't? He was watching that one, yeah.
You're not much of a Chucks guy, but yeah. I mean, that's pretty spot on to you. Same kind of like little button nose. Where it really makes sense is the eyebrows. Look at the eyebrows. Yeah, the eyebrows are everything.
The eyebrows and the wrinkles on the forehead are a dead giveaway. They saw you and saw marketing.
Yeah. And that's Jason Kelsey. It looks like too.
Lil Ozempic?
It looks nothing like you. Your beard isn't like that. Your eyebrows are aggressive, but they're not that.
Ridiculous. Shout out to Trev, though. Hopefully his insurance company is fucking killing it. All right, next up question from at jdubs8397. Answer this question. When making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, do you put them on separate pieces or spread them together? I am not a psychopath. I put the jelly on one side and the peanut butter on the other side and then put them together.
Nobody in their right fucking mind spreads peanut butter and jelly on one slice and then puts a – that's just not how it's done. Is that real? Nobody fucking does that.
Nobody does that. There's no way anybody does that.
No. Yeah. You have to go, you have to do a layer of peanut butter and then the jelly. If you were to do that, but that doesn't make any sense. You don't get it. You wouldn't get a smooth, like easy spread. It would be making your job harder.
But you have to spread. Whatever you have to spread, it has to go on a hard, even surface.
You're not fucking up your masterpiece. I hate a sloppy sandwich, man. I like my shit nice and fucking... Perfect.
You like that shit with whiz?
Nacho cheese and bread is ridiculous.
Come on over. I'll teach you.
On bread only. Yeah. Anytime you got to spread something, you put it on the bread.
If you're going to spread, put it on the bread.
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No, we don't. So let's just, let's create it right here.
What would be fun is going up to green Bay. Going up to Green Bay for the draft, maybe.
Get a few of the draftees, maybe, that are – see who's up there. I'm sure there'll be a few familiar faces from the legendary Green Bay Packers that we could find a way to get a hold of.
Outside of that, I mean, we said the great one. It would be great to get the great one on here. How about all the great ones? I mean, Jordan – Oh, Tom Brady, maybe? Gosh, it'd be fun to talk to Tom.
Talk to Tom about how he dealt with not winning Super Bowls. Multiple Super Bowls.
Yeah, I'm with that.
I think they'd be in too. I know JJ would be in.
Yeah, no, we need to kind of get our bearings before we go out there. We can't go out there looking like a bunch of fucking jamokes.
Maybe get Tiger. I mean, Tiger's obviously the funnest name that we can think of. Give my guy Bryson. Give my guy old Brooksy Kepka.
I don't even want to... I love John. John's a great guy. I just – I can't look him in the eyes. I feel like ashamed every time I look at him.
You didn't tell anybody about that, did you?
Come on. I'll show you the reins.
Perfect. No pun intended.
Yeah. I learned from the best. The Zoldans. The Zoldans are the best.
I mean, I'm in on doing the Cup, the Larry O'Brien show. We can go to NBA, NHL. We can do all this. We can do all this.
Well, what else are you doing?
Yeah, I feel the same way. No, we will not go away and we will continue to do this. We will force you to like us.
All right. What's obscure, though? Do you want to go hit the Horseshoe Championship in Topeka, Kansas? I've been there, done that.
I'd fuck around with that.
I'm down to do some interactive stuff like going. Cornhole.
I'm not doing that. That's where I draw the line. Come on, Trev. That's where I draw the line. I'm not going to sit here and make fun of kids, Jason. How else do you comment hobby horsing?
I am so down. I'm so down. You want to go catch some soccer, some international football, some of the old...
Catch a premier game or like Wrexham or Burnley.
Sounds like we're in on everything. 92%-ers, why don't you guys help us narrow this down?
Yeah, we want to do stuff for you guys and what interests you guys over the summer. So out of everything we said or even some stuff that we haven't mentioned yet that you think would be fun for us to go and – see or check out or give the inside scoop for you guys. Just let us know. Please send us ideas.
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I listen to music that is very telling of my mood. Yes.
Yeah. I just listen to Taylor's music. She has something for everything.
Yeah. It's always beautiful, man. But I, um, I tell you what, I saw Selly before the game. Yes. I don't know how long it's been since I saw him, man, but just to see him on the sideline and to give him a big old hug, man, I miss that fucking Big Bear, dude. He's such a good dude.
Yeah. And how the Eagles broke my heart.
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And it was awesome seeing him and seeing Connor on the sideline. There's so many people in that fucking organization that I absolutely love. CB. CB finally got a Super Bowl. How about that, man? Happy as hell for him, man.
I love it. Well, there's another celebration, and it's today. Bennett turned two today. That's right. You guys are getting ready to bring in another baby girl. Good old Benny. little Benny turns two today. And what do you guys got planned for her?
Happy B-Day.
Hell yeah. You guys will be great. I can't wait to fucking get up in there and have some fun with those girls. I'm going to hand them right back to you. All right.
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I can give you some advice though, for sure.
Getting in a fucking cage with you. I told Jason, I was like, we ever played the Eagles? I was fucking coming out there. I was going to drop that, drop the gloves with him.
We have the best uncle in the world, man. Still got the best uncle in the world.
Big Don.
Dude. One of my favorite people in the entire world, man.
He would get us.
I'm so serious. You listen to me. I got some shit figured out.
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And over the course of a season, I think that we have a method and a formula from Coach Reed that we just gradually get better as the season goes on. And when we go into the playoffs, we're playing our best football. At least that's the effort. That's the focus. That's the determined mindset to be able to play your best at the end of the season. Right.
you know, every it's everybody on the same page, um, everybody, you know, doing their part. And when the ball's in our hands, we make plays when, when we're called upon. And I was fortunate that I had seven to eight chances to, to make a play. I failed on one and had a ball slapped out of my hand, uh, early on.
And, uh, and you know, from that point on, I felt like I could get a rhythm and get going here, but at the same time, it's, It's just football, baby. There's never a time where I'm, you know, holding back and I got to make sure I keep some things in my back pocket. It's not that. I'm always competing my ass off, man.
Yeah, some of that helps. Some of that helps at the end of the day.
That's what you're playing your ass off in the regular season for is to get that rest going into a stretch. and being able to get that one seed or being able to get a playoff berth under your belt so that you can maybe miss that last game.
You know, whatever the situation is, you try your ass off throughout the year to get that opportunity and get the honor of being able to kind of, you know, take those weeks to get healthy.
Oh, Pat. Patty Mahomes pushes the pocket, has the strength to fight off a 300-pound man while throwing an absolute dart in the back of the end zone. Why you got to look at... Shire like this. Listen, I'm just in the moment.
There's something personal there. Stop doing that. I don't have vendettas against people for no fucking reason. He's never done anything to me. He's a great competitor.
All that is is just me having fun playing football, dog. And sometimes, you know, in the playoffs, you play with a little bit more emotion, a little bit more aggression, and a little bit more swagger. And I went on Stephen A. 's show last week and told everybody if I got in there, I'd swag it out. And sure enough, this is just how I did it, man.
Yeah, that was the first catch I had. This one was just making plays.
Yeah, the Red Shoes really helped me when Zaire went for the strip. Yeah, I mean, you play a little bit better when nobody's guarding you, and that's the beauty of the NFL.
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Yeah, they went with a nickel blitz. Nickel blitz on top of that, when they rush five, less defenders on the back end. You got two guys running with the flat. Nobody over the middle of the field, and you just run and replace. Pat was right there in sync with me. It's a day-one install play, so you can play really fast. That's why Coach loves dialing up those things, and good football, man.
Shout out to Doonzy, man.
Just hearing you say that.
Wide booty butt naked open. They did. They left me butt naked open.
Oh, man, as you know, the D-line and O-line rooms in the NFL, it's the pure comedy. Shout out to Sir Bank.
Leo Chanel.
I'd like to plead the fifth.
That didn't affect me one bit.
Pregame fit. You're talking about the walk-in or like when I was warming up? That shit was cold as fuck. It was not. The sun was out. And regardless, it's like I got a hat on. I'm keeping the wind off my ears. My legs don't get cold because I'm a hairy son of a bitch.
Well, you got to understand, I'm going out there, when I do these warm-ups, I'm going out there for 10 minutes max. That's a good point. Like, I'm going out there to gauge it. Like, if it's super snowy or super, like, rainy and super cold, like, I might throw a hoodie on just to, like, get the sweat going. But for the most part, I... I really don't care what the weather is in warmups.
That being said, I didn't put anything else on for the game, but whatever it is, I mean, the cold is the cold. I'm going to find a way to stay warm on the sidelines, whether I got a jacket or I'm sitting on the heaters or I'm running up and down the sideline to keep the blood flow going and the body loose. Like I'm going to do what I have to do.
I'd probably say like YouTube or Spotify or Wondery Plus or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm not worried about what the weather is and how I'm going, how it's going to affect how I play. I just go out there and play my fucking game.
Got to get some socks, bud. We got some longer socks.
That was cold. Got to get your tailor to work on that. I don't know what to say. Well, Jason, we got a good one from Rodney Lacroix. I think that's how you say that name. Jason looks like the guy you hired to get possum out of your attic.
which I thought was absolutely hilarious because outside of the jacket and the hat coordination, it's the yellow gloves that give you this guy can fucking just round up some rodents.
You got to know if you're calling me out for going and I got to go red cleats, I got to go red gloves. I can't just be out here.
You want me to go yellow cleats this week?
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I only have one cleat, yellow cleat.
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Did you meet the Rizzler?
There you go. He didn't meet him, folks.
Yeah. The kid?
Yeah, he's big on TikTok, I think. Oh, nice. TikTok went down, so he had to show up at the game. That's huge. Shout out to the Rizzler, man. He's just a young, chubby kid, man, just like me. Just a sports fanatic.
There you go. 70 yards. Chris Berman, the Swami himself, he interviewed me before this one and told me that including my playoff yardage, I have over eight miles of receiving yards. Eight miles. That's pretty cool.
I mean, I'm right there with them at this point, and it's a pretty goddamn cool feeling. That being said, for whatever reason, man, you know, you set these goals and these, like – statistical accolades that you want to meet when you first get into the league. You're just like, man, I want to be in the conversations with the greatest ever and the most yards and the most touchdowns.
All the guys that you look at that are at the top of that list, you feel like that's what's going to make me satisfied and that's what's going to make me feel like I've done it.
While you're in it, I'm just not satisfied with what I'm doing. I feel like I have this mentality and this – this mindset week in week out year in year out to just be better than what I was the previous day.
You know, I think all these stats and accolades and everything, they'll, they'll be cool when I'm, when I'm done playing, I'll be able to look back on everything and say, nice man. That was what I fucking edged in the, uh, in history. And, um, Right now, I'm just... I'm so focused on beating the Buffalo Bills right now, man, that I could really care less about passing any of Jerry Rice's records.
And, you know, shout out to Jerry Rice. I'm not saying that because, you know... No, Jerry's the man. I'm downplaying that, you know? He's the fucking goat. And even if I do pass his records, I'm still going to consider him the greatest to ever do it. You know? Like, it just is how I... It's how I feel about these kind of things of just never being satisfied, man. And as I look...
Over the course of my career, I've just never felt like that. I've never felt that I've made it feeling. It's always just been, what can I do better? What can I do next? And what I can do next is win another AFC championship.
This got me going.
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Jason, we're almost done with the NFL season. Any fun travel plans you're looking forward to once it's all over?
Last time we met, man. Every time is just like so memorable.
I just like snow. I love the mountains. I love snow. I love going fast speeds and risking my life.
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Thank you, brother. Eagles 28, Rams 22. Moving on to a little snow game in Philly. Jason, you were at this magical snow globe. I was. I was talking to you earlier about it. You said it kind of reminded you of the 2013 game you had.
Well, the irony about the 2013 game and this game was that the Eagles were playing Matthew Stafford in both games. That's right. That's right. And the Eagles came out on top in both games. Shout out to Matty Stafford, man, our guy. Hell yeah. Fellow friend, and man, what a fucking competitor that guy is. Are snow games the best type of football game, though?
But also as a spectator, like, I don't know, it just does just make it more dramatic and just more like just a fun atmosphere, doesn't it? We played Buffalo up in Buffalo and it was snowy and we're getting pegged with fucking snowballs at the end of it.
And I just I there was something about I don't think if it's as snowy as it was and, you know, built up like excitement for the fans going in there paying getting paid twenty dollars an hour just to, you know, clear out the snow. I think it makes such a cool element for certain stadiums and certain like teams that I think it has to be like the best like atmosphere to play in.
It's the only one that kind of uplifts everybody if it's the right amount of snow, I guess.
Where did you get this? What is this? This throw? This poncho? That's blanket material, though. That's not poncho material.
And this was what he had for you?
Nice. You're a good guy. That's all I saw in that. You didn't get scammed. You knew exactly what you were buying.
Yeah, that's not getting scammed. You just wanted to help a guy out. It's true. There's nothing scammy about that.
Well, he was scamming, or he just knew that he could hit you at the right spot.
He's like, there's a big whale over here. He's got a big old pocketbook. Oh, yeah. And I can hit him where it hurts.
And that's how you didn't get scammed.
The biggest combo going on in the game was Rams rookie, Jared verse talking that shit. And I mean, he was backing it up. He was back and he was having a, he was having himself a hell of a game, but after every single play he made, he made sure that the Eagles fans saw him and heard him as he was running to the sidelines. But a pregame quote though, I hate Eagles fans. They're so annoying.
I hate Eagles fans. When I see that green and white, I hate it. I actually get upset. I actually genuinely get hot. Him being hot is like him being furious.
So he gets it.
Yeah.
Yeah, he backed it up.
You know, I think... The rookie getting banged up, I think, slowed him down. Yeah, and man, that dude is good.
I will say this, though. Being... a chiefs player, my entire life going to your games, I've gotten some fun banter with the course. I think, I think Eagles fans get it. I think they, they know they want to make, they, they, they arguably do love it. Like they love, they love, they want somebody to come in and talk shit to them. For sure.
We're out of Christmas. We're out of Christmas.
They want it to be a rowdy and like almost like a like a fight mentality. Like, I fucking hate you. You hate us. Yeah. Like, let's do this.
Exactly. I think there is a little bit of that. So the Eagles putting it on the jumbotron before the game. I didn't see that.
I thought that was pretty clever. Make sure the Eagles knew that that was the guy.
yep but i think uh i think i've learned to appreciate the eagles fans for that and i've also been lucky that my brother is one of the best eagles to ever play the fucking game so um that makes them kind of appreciate my family a little bit more so we have more of a mutual uh respect for each other but yeah eagles fans they uh they want you they want you to do this kind of stuff and i think uh
I don't know. Maybe Jared knew that coming in because he grew up not too far away.
Let's talk Saquon then. Finished with 26 carries, 205 and a touchdown. Broke off TD runs of 62 and 78. God damn. The guy's just absolutely taking over every fucking game he's in. He seems to be unstoppable and a force that you just got to weather. You can't fucking stop this thing. Let's see both of these clips, though. I want to see both of these to the house.
I mean, speed kills, especially in the fucking snow. Looks like this is the 62-yarder.
Very similar to the in-season touchdown that he had against them.
Yeah.
Technically, it hit in the A-gap, so it hit where you think it would.
Yeah, it stays on that hash. Actually, that might not have been it.
Yeah, great kick-out block by my guy Dallas Goddard.
This guy, who gives a shit? It's 100% inside zone. Right? Yes. Outside zone, the running back takes three steps past the midline. Come on, Jason. You know this. God damn it. I'm doing this too damn long. The second clip, though, came at one of the most crucial points in the fucking game. Fourth quarter, five minutes to go. Now, this is the inside zone.
Yeah, I was about to say, what screws that kind of stuff up is, I mean, very similar, just hand the ball off and let them just find the crease.
What I like about this, though, is that Jordan Malata kind of hangs in there. He doesn't get too much depth.
And now two guys are blocking one.
Why are we calling it asparagus?
It's experience because that's what we call it.
Well, you say it was the game-stealing run, but the Rams definitely had a chance.
They definitely had a chance. You're right.
Huge momentum booster, though.
Saquon, obviously, another unbelievable game against the Rams. 200-plus yards, man. This guy's running for 200-plus in the playoffs. Holy shit. Do we know that's the guy we need to stop? Are we locked into our IDs? Are we playing our gaps?
Easier said than done, obviously, with that type of offensive line, tight ends, the way the wide receivers are in there in the run game, how the Eagles spread everybody out with the RPOs, and then on top of that, the way Saquon can just set up fucking blocks and absolutely knife the defense and hit the holes and speed, confidence, bulldozer, break arm tackles.
I mean, he's been doing it all, and he's playing confident, man.
Well, they were dealing with injuries, it felt like, every single fucking year.
You want to be good at running back? Figure out how the linemen are taught to block this play. Don't just go out there and just be like, give me the ball and I'm going to just run through the A gap or the B gap. Figure out how guys are being blocked and how the scheme is supposed to be.
Does that make sense?
You've got to have a feel for the game, understand the structure and the scheme, but you still have to have a feel for the game and be able to go out there and just play ball, man. And that's what he's doing right now, man. He's playing the best ball of anybody right now at the running back position. As an O-line, what is it like when you know you're blocking for a guy who can break it at any time?
Shady McCoy tweeted out, my boy going for 200 yards again.
As he added Saquon. I mean, he just knew. He knew what kind of day it was going to be and that Saquon is just in the zone right now.
I think if it's a snow game, I'm going to have a big game.
Yeah.
Well, one, because Pat Mahomes can sling that ball at anything. It doesn't matter if it's rain, sleet, or snow. But also, I'm heavier than the DBs, which means my feet are going into the ground more, which means it's not so much ice for me. And on top of that, I grew up playing hockey. I know how to even run on ice. So I feel like I have the upper hand. So you just have a more acclimatized.
I can move. Yeah, just a more acclimatized game.
Oh, yeah, baby. That's all. I need everybody to just come on, slow down just a little bit for me, baby.
Bears do it. The fucking Green Bay does it.
Smart. If you don't have fast guys.
Well, it wasn't just the offense that was firing, man. Jalen Carter.
Arguably the best game of his career, maybe. Five tackles, three QB hits, two sacks, PBU, forced fumble. I mean, what else? That's a stat stuffer right there. He hit just about every defense outside of an interception in a fumble recovery. He hit just about every defensive statistic you could possibly hit.
Straight up.
No, I'm with you. The sack on third and two at the end of the game, it's like me sitting in the middle of the fucking field wide open. You got to block the biggest guy on the fucking field, guys. And you would rather have two on them than none.
Yeah, dude, I get it, man. Football is a hard game, man.
It's a weird sense that a lot of great defensive linemen have. They feel this like leverage point where you're, you're, you're giving them too much pressure. Yeah. The moment you get too much pressure and you get just a little bit off balance. Yep. Fucking swimming you. They're fucking ripping. They're spinning. They're using the momentum and the strength you have against you.
The great ones just have an ability to put somebody in a mental blizzard all day by playing with the speed to power the hands and the juke moves, man.
The three technique is the mic today.
A drag for the non-football heads is what?
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I was about to say, he's a Washington guy.
That's the guy. That's the guy that's making it happen.
You hate to see it. You hate to see it. I mean... Especially between literally the Battle of Cleveland in my book. When you grow up in Cleveland, Ohio, you either love Notre Dame or Ohio State or both.
Which they got a bunch of fucking veteran proven guys on that side of the ball. Zach Ertz. The offensive line. a veteran offensive line, two Superbowl champs over there, and Andrew Wiley baby. Um, on top of that, they got guys like Eckler is a very savvy vet. And, uh, I think they got a lot of guys that, that, that have that confidence of I've been doing this a very long time. I know how to win.
I know how to have success and I know how to be accountable. And then you mix that in with a young quarterback. That's very confident does the work, uh, understands a great scheme under Kingsbury. I mean, it makes sense. He's got wide receivers all over the place making fucking big-time fucking plays.
Ertz is making fucking big plays. Big third down, big in the red zone.
Conducive.
Sure. I like the way you sold me.
No, seriously, they're hitting on all cylinders, and the Lions were fucking hitting on all cylinders too, man. That was probably the funnest of the three games, the other two games that I watched or the three games that I watched. For sure. That one was just nonstop action. It ripped my fucking heart out seeing Coach Campbell go down, and that Lions team was super fun to watch, man.
But the Commanders, they earned that one, man.
It was a funny feeling, at least going into it for me. On top of that, Freeman being an ex-Ohio State Buckeye. Yep.
Yeah, no, I didn't think it was that cool.
You think the Bears offensive linemen are like, dude, fuck yeah. We get fucking Ben Johnson. Dude, I'm about to start scoring some touchdowns.
I was about to say, some hooking laterals to their fucking tackles.
Don't know right, right.
Erroneous. Erroneous on all accounts.
I lost Doug Peterson. I lost Matt Nagy. I was about to say all the best coaches. Eric Biennemi, Mike Kafka, four out of basically every offensive coordinator that I've ever had has gone somewhere else, and we've still had success. You have to give those guys the opportunity to be – to better on their careers, to strive for, for like a new position.
Yeah. He was there since he went to the college football playoffs themselves.
That's the, that's the honor of being one of the best in the league is that everybody gets an opportunity to take that next, that next step. If they get it, I don't think it's the reason why the lions lost their offense, put up 31 fucking points, had 500 plus yards of offense. Like what? Like that wasn't it. And by any means, Ben Johnson put together a great fucking game plan. Bills 27, Ravens 25.
The last of the four playoff games. Did it live up to the hype? Of course it did. Yep. Two of the best quarterbacks in the league duking it out for four quarters in the snow, man. Doesn't get more magical than that.
Fuck, man.
There was over a minute 30 left? You can't control on how fast you score, though.
No, you got to just fucking score, man. When you can get a touchdown, when you need a touchdown.
You don't just need a touchdown. You need a touchdown and a two-point to tie it.
You give yourself a chance for your defense to get a big stop.
I'm not going to play would have, could have, should have.
I would have loved to see what the Bills could have done with it tied up like that. It's good fucking football.
I like to see everybody playing and showing their best. Yes, thriving.
Did not know that.
I'm with you.
A lot's going to be said about how – how the Ravens quote unquote lost that game, but the bills fucking showed up for sure. The bills did it. The bills, the bills played their tails off 27 points against that Ravens defense is fucking. It's damn good.
Yeah. And I'm excited, man. We're going to get a great one this weekend. It's going to be, you know me, I love going up against the best, man. The Bills are playing just as good as anybody in the fucking league right now.
I'm excited for it to be Championship Sunday at Arrowhead, baby. Let's go. Well, let's go ahead and talk about some previews for Sunday. The NFC Championship Commanders at Eagles. Jason, got any, like, keys to the game or just, like, right off the bat to you? Have you ever played a team three times?
I've never played a team more than twice.
Well, shout-out to Chip Kelly getting himself a ring. And shout-out to Ohio State Buckeyes, man. Big shout-out. I got a bunch of friends that were super stoked that Ohio State went for the field goal at the end to make sure they covered the spread. And... something that the Chiefs did not elect to do in the game against the Houston Texans this past weekend.
That's fucking nuts. I can only imagine. AFC West, like, I can't even fathom it, man. Trying to fucking go toe-to-toe with a team that knows everything about you, man.
I'm not going to tell you those. That's fair.
Well, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and give me the keys to the game, Jason.
Good call. Good call. Well, we do know this. We got a few extra weapons on offense. I think we're a little bit healthier on the defensive side, so it doesn't mean that we'll have the upper hand just because of that. It's obviously these two great coach teams, two superstars at quarterback. And playmakers all over the board.
The biggest thing for me is just going out there and playing my fucking tail off of these guys next to me, man. We're excited for that challenge to go up against these Bills. We know they match up very, very good with us. It's a very familiar, you know, matchup. We've seen these guys a lot. We've seen them a lot in the playoffs and in the regular season.
And, you know, that being said, it's going to be a dogfight.
Fire me up, baby. Best on the best. That's what I love.
It's so crazy. We had a legit bad beat. Like SVP and Stanford Steve always love to do those bad beats, man. That is as bad of a beat as you can think of. A safety with 40 seconds left in the game too. Just to go to the other side of the spread.
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I don't need to hear you tell me that I throw this further than them. Yeah.
It sounds like Jason would.
I'm definitely not doing it.
You used to go to them? You used to have to go to her competitions?
Oh, well, if it's a kid that's in the backyard being a kid, that's one thing. She was in high school.
That's so good. Everybody's got their hobby.
Ooh, the playoff beard. I go a little less Spanish and I go more like... Nordic? Celtic. Yeah. Celtic.
Whatever the parlay or whatever it was. Yeah.
No, you're trying to give me more.
It's definitely brown beard.
It's not red beard.
No, they would not.
I'm not mad at all. There's nothing wrong with someone having a redbeard. I'm saying you're throwing me into a boat that I'm not in. There's people out here with actual redbeards.
No. This is why they're all dumb questions.
This is what I'm saying. You can't look it up. Just look at it. Feel the energy.
And it's so sick how Vegas always knows. They always know it's right. It's going to be this way or that way at the end. Ohio State goes up three fucking touchdowns or whatever it was, and all of a sudden, at the end of the game, it's right at 8 to 10 points. Are you kidding me? It's right in between those two numbers? Either way, it's absolutely hysterical.
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Some of my favorite things to do after a game, after a big play, is go listen to the different calls from around the world of the play.
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He all but confirmed the NFL will move to an 18 game in season.
Well, we did get some rule updates. Rodgers still out on including hockey fights, which big bummer over here. But Ochocinco wants DPI to be 15 yards instead of a spot foul.
I hear what you're saying. I think it's fine the way it is. I think all of this is fine the way it is. All right, fair enough. I think defensive holding is only five yards. That's kind of like where it balances out. Offensive holding is 10.
Psycho. You're insane. Bo Allen wants hitting the crossbar on a field goal to be worth four points. A doink is actually good.
Yeah. I don't know where Bo was going with this, but it was good to see him in the suite after the game. Yeah. Honey Bobo.
Missed my guy, man. It's always fun watching him on the late night, man.
As he always does. Yeah. Shout out to Goodell and everybody, and you guys are always killing it. Can't wait to see this week, brother. You want to pump it? You got any good guests this week?
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I mean, God damn. It makes sense.
A lot of the offensive linemen are some of the funniest motherfuckers. I know.
You always do. But he sure does get the fucking people going when he does that.
Knew it happened. Didn't give two shits about it. Shout out to everybody on TikTok that needs it to make money and does a great job of promoting themselves or their business on there. Yep. But that didn't affect me one bit. I'm an Instagram, Twitter guy. I don't know. It is what it is. I got off Facebook a long time ago and haven't looked back since.
Well, they let all the old people on. They let our parents get on and our parents, you know. Pretty true. Started telling everybody how they felt.
You kind of had to have the college email. Yeah. That was the only time I ever used it. I never used it.
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It feels good, man. One game and you get one game and you get to punch your ticket into the Super Bowl, man. Fuck. It's right there. One of those scenarios you dream about in the beginning of the season to be able to do this and We've been fortunate enough to do this for seven straight years. I've had a heartbreak. I've had a triumph. I've won and lost this game multiple times.
So I know exactly how to attack this thing, and you just got to attack it day by day and not peak too soon and circle the wagons, baby. It's going to be a tough one against the Buffalo Bills.
Yeah, I mean, I put that on myself every single year. It's either that or I'm a failure.
Nothing in between.
And it has nothing to do with, I don't care if I'm the MVP of the league, which I'll never be, or which I've never been up for, but it doesn't matter what you do individually. It's all about what your team does at the end of the day.
It's all about what your team does. And in Kansas City, we set those expectations for ourselves.
How about that? Did you hear what he said? What did he say? He said, we get a few more. It actually matched my weight.
So I'm here to get him a few more and match his weight.
Yes, he looks great. He does look great. I have no idea how much he weighs, no. But I thought it was a pretty good bit that everybody should hear because Andy Reid, even though he's one of the greatest coaches ever in 300 career wins, is absolutely insane. He still finds a way to brush it off and have fun with it. That's why I love the guy.
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You know, I wish it was just a switch that I could say it's time to go and I'm ready to play. That's not what it is. Throughout the year, we try and play our best every single week. Every single play, I'm trying my hardest. I'm doing everything I can to help my team win throughout the week.
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No, sir.
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not screwing around there it's great yeah you this you guys uh you guys are doing good with this podcast you're having fun oh that for sure yeah we started this thing up just uh trying to get our um our brotherhood out there a lot of people see us as complete opposites but you get us in a room you'll you'll see we're a lot more similar than uh what we are and you're a little bit older what's the age two years two years almost exactly okay october 5th november 5th all right i'm november 30th nice scorpio yeah we just talked about we're big astrology guys
Yeah, we got to.
Look at that. That thing's pretty. Why is Jason the only one that has one of these?
Into it? It was my life. Listen, I was a heavyweight growing up. Jason, he didn't get fat until he went to office.
So Jason's more newly founded into it. So seriously, you were dealing with weight issues? You were chubby. I think I was just, yeah, I was dealing with my love for honey buns. I think that's what I was kind of dealing with more. But no, I saw heavyweights and was like, oh man, Camp Hope is like, if there's a camp out there like that, I want to go to it.
Just kids that can be fat together and hide candy in their beds. Yeah, and be terrorized. Kids that never like really lived up to the excellence of their brother and just the expectations that their parents set for themselves.
Yeah, I mean- Are you kidding? The Blob? Was it Go-Kart?
Can I fucking have one, Jason? Why are you asking me? Just get them all sent to your house.
I want a fucking Golden Cup.
Everybody just sends all the trophies to Jason. You get the Stanley Cup, the Larry O'Brien, the fucking New Heights Cup.
I saw it later in the 90s for sure.
Just riffing it.
Yeah. I definitely go to Chick-fil-A during camp though. I'm not going to lie. I don't go to the meal room.
Oh, yeah.
Right, right.
I'm living in a dorm room. Yeah. Cement wall, white cement brick walls. You get a single or a double? They actually put the double together. Two singles together to make it.
It's kind of a bit of a, it's a bit of like a... It's an experience like back in time.
For the majority of it, yeah. You learn like the base installs so that everybody can get brought up to speed. And from there, you still create plays based off of the team that you're playing and what they've been doing. You try and scheme them up week by week. The the playbook definitely expands after the after training camp.
But for the most part, you get all the the verbiage and all the you get the understanding of like formations and stuff. And then from there, all the plays kind of just get. Is it different every year? Like the coach will come in with a new. Yeah, I joke about Coach Reed coming in with like a index like stack like this big, just like a rubber band around. And you just see plays drawn up on them.
And he's just like, I got some good stuff, guys.
I could go up there over 35 times. You know what I mean? Like what is inside zone? Inside zone is when you give it to the running back at a more steep angle. Downhill, he reads the front side B gap to the backside. A gap reads the really the trying to run it towards a three technique to where we can get a double team up to the Mike backer. Hopefully you're.
Yeah, for me, I'm typically on the backside of the inside zone. And you definitely double back every time to the... There we go.
There's always a double back. There we go.
Okay.
Hell yeah.
I like, like, especially when you get the ball, it's like you're like, you ever seen the bird scooters that go like 15, 17 miles an hour and you're just kind of flying around town? It's like riding one of those and then jumping off. And it's just like you take little collisions like that throughout the day and it's just fun. It's fun.
And I feel like when you have pads on and you have the excitement of like, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Let's get it started, Trev. Let's get it going, baby.
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
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Yeah, let's dive into it, big dog.
That'll work, Bronc. God damn, that's good stuff. I got to ask you more about your basketball love or your sports love. So you were at the Oscars not too long ago getting hype about the Knicks win.
Not sure if it was even an important game. It was just like, you watch every game like that?
I feel like I've always told myself I want to go to a game in Madison Square Garden. It was actually a big reason why we went to or I went to Cincinnati because the Big East championship is in the garden. I've always imagined the garden as like obviously the Mecca, but it is like the top of like the basketball culture. You came to a game, right? No, I haven't been to a game yet.
And I've been telling myself I'm going to go when the Knicks are good and it's rocking and it's just been like... You have to come to a game. I have to, I know. Why don't you come to a game? I'm going to, I'll tell you what, the Cavs meet the Knicks in the playoffs. Yeah. Because that thing, I want it to be like the Knicks.
I don't know if it's like that every single game, but I know when it's an important game, that thing is like... It honestly like you see it on TV.
Yeah. Me and Jason talk about it all the time. There's no better ticket in sports than courtside at an NBA game. There's nothing better, right?
When the Browns was there.
You know.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, Cleveland was there for forever, too. So I get it. Cleveland is having an incredible. Oh, I'm fired up. Yeah, I'm fired. We're just talking about it. Jason's kind of like here right now with basketball. Yeah. And I'm just like, dude, just want to keep selling.
I got to get back.
Yeah. He's just incredible stuff. Yeah. So they've got a great thing going on. See, we kind of got on the basketball kick. I got to talk about one of my favorite scenes that you directed in Cable Guy with Jim Carrey, him coming into the gym. The basketball? Yeah, the basketball scene with him coming into the gym.
I don't know if you understand, you had everybody trying to jump off of their friend's back. to dunk the basketball. And I just remember it never worked. It's not like in the movie, he was like a trampoline. I was like, oh my gosh, if I could do that. I was a little bit heavier. I was always like twice the size of all my friends. And I was like, dude, just get on all fours.
I'm going to jump off your back.
And we were just having a great time together. Hell yeah. We kind of touched on it before. In terms of writing for yourself or for guys that kind of just have those instincts of improv, how much of it is hard as a director to control that, to try and keep the script the script? How much do you juggle with that as a director? I did a movie once, Mystery Men.
You get that look. He gives you the eyebrow look. But then he gets happy sometimes. Never do that again. When it works. He's happy when it works. I'll come to the sideline. Oh, yeah. Don't ever do that again. Got it. He's got a good commercial career going too. Yes, he does. He's a Hollywood guy right there. You know what I mean? He gets it. He gets the entertainment aspect of it. Sure.
Nuggies, man. No, he's killing it.
I'm about to start having waffle parties all the time now with no underline. Great. Wow.
Yes.
These are good though. I'm just going to butter it up just a little bit. Are waffles on your training camp menu?
I'll tell you what, there was a waffle house next to Lehigh Valley where we had training camp back when it was remote. That was our Chick-fil-A. That's where we would go.
Now, a lot of the shots, we're talking about symmetry. I mean, the opening episode, everything is just so like... I just feel like it was so thought out in the colors that you chose. The building blows my mind. Is that a real? How much was it was of of it was like a studio set and how much of it was like an actual building that you guys saw?
Because the inside of that building was so big, the shots seemed so massive and it seemed so epic.
Yeah, I don't know if it gets to the point of like you're sharing all your notes that you took.
I've never seen it to that point.
Yeah. That raspberry butter was delicious.
Let's do this thing. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, a laundry show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Nike. When the world says you can't win, Nike says, so when? We're your hosts. I'm Travis. This is my big brother, Jason. Out of the University of Cincinnati. Unfortunately, the Natty didn't make it in the fucking bracket, man.
Talking about kind of doing some promo for it, was the art museum set up? Was it even at an art museum? It was like a pop-up like office set up. Was that like the weirdest promo you've ever done for a show?
And I was going to say, was there a script or were they were they even told to talk about or even could they even be heard?
I will say this. I was playing – I forget who it was, and I think Chase Daniel was on the sideline. I think it was Chicago. We might have been playing in Chicago. Nagy was there, maybe – Tyler Bray might have been on the sideline as well.
There's so many cool shots in this. I'm just blown away by some of the shots.
I feel like there's more questions now than there were before. Exactly. But that's how, that's kind of the fun of, and I can only imagine how fun that is trying to keep that question in the air. Like the underlying meaning of everything and the theories. Have you heard of any like fan theories that you're like, ooh, that's a good one. Didn't even think of that.
I'm trying to remember who it was that called it out, but either Alex Smith or Pat Mahomes was up at the line of scrimmage, and he signaled a quick route to me, like a hot route to me, essentially. or verbally said something to me to tell me to, like, break off my route differently. And on the sideline, I see both of the quarterbacks screaming what that route was going to be.
Yeah. Oh, that's going to be exciting. Yeah. Talking about some characters, Adam Scott. Yes. Absolutely kills it. He's amazing. Was he always kind of the first choice? I don't want to bring that. He was always the first choice for you?
And I'm just, in my head, I'm like, God, you son of a buck!
I think it was preseason, but at the same time, you're going to do whatever you have to do to win in your current situation. And if that's finding a tick here and there from your previous situation and helping out your teammates in that regard, you're going to fucking do it, man. And I don't think there's any, like, Bush leagues.
Yeah. Are we going to have to wait for three years for season three to come out or?
Well, I'll be at Grand Central Station for it.
You're just going to have a courtside at the Knicks game.
I think the same thing. So it's perfect. You're right. Maybe we can get Taylor to another Knicks game.
I'm sure you would need help getting it. I mean, it's always a little smoother when you get it. All right. Well, let's do it.
I'm in, dude. Dude, thank you so much. Thanks, man.
I am. This is a dream come true, man. You've been one of the idols of everyone from the 90s growing up and all the amazing movies you did. But now it's just so cool to, you know, see that you're every bit of a great dude as you are a great actor and director. Thanks, man.
Like, I don't think it's, like, going behind someone's back or doing it, like, in a, like, I don't know. I don't think it's wrong. If you hand over the entire playbook, I think that's a little weird. But if you're just talking ball and you're trying to give your guys a heads up on, like, an audible or something like that, I think that's all fair game.
I can't wait to see what house got in store for us. Yeah, it's a little insane. I can't wait, dude. Well, thanks again, brother, man. Thanks, man. Yeah. Great talking to you. Great talking to you. And thanks for the waffles. Nice. Great waffle party.
Okay. Exactly. A watermelon.
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Like you know to check you took the gas pump out before driving away. I feel like sometimes I don't. Dude, that's why you went electric. It's because you kept doing that.
Like you know to check the tickets were downloaded before you lost reception at the venue. Yeah, that's a tough one. For sure happened.
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Man, what a guy, man. There's just some people that it's just fun as hell to talk to, and the whole time you're talking to them, you're like, I can't believe I'm talking to fucking Ben Stitt.
Dude, I love how he brought up Mystery Men right at the end there.
That one's actually on cable TV a lot more than you would expect. Really? I'll just be searching the guide on like a – Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
But I know for sure I'm not going to win a Super Bowl in Dallas. Yeah.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.
Oh, man. Yeah, that's the old Twitter beef. Let me get you going.
Well, you know, Jason, you're a professional.
I think it's a Bulldog. What is a Yale? It's a Bulldog.
That was just so cool.
Lipscomb, baby. Lipscomb. Iowa State is sneaky. They're the ones that kick the Bearcats out of the Big 12 tourney.
But still proud of the gang.
In a fight?
Marquette's got one of the best basketball players in the country.
They're the best. In front of the entire city.
Chicago, I believe. Chicago? No, no, no. Is it? It's outside of Chicago, right? Wisconsin. Wisconsin? It's close.
It's close. I don't know why I said Chicago.
One of our favorite actors ever went to Marquette. Played rugby there.
not even close not even close oh god what No. The answer is Chris Farley. Oh, shit.
Cleveland Heights is on Cedar and Lee, two of the biggest streets on the east side of Cleveland.
I should have known that one. Now I got to know. Where did Denzel go?
Oh, man. Denzel went to Fordham.
Fordham.
Oh, man. That's fucking hilarious. I know. This is so fucking funny. He was a hooper at Fordham. He was a hooper. He didn't play rugby. He was a hooper.
Wait, so Jason, we've only talked about the men's bracket. Do you use the same metric system to figure out who's going to win the women's bracket? Like, do you just look at who would win the brawl?
No, I need an audience.
I don't know if they're the same anymore.
You're fucking hilarious. I haven't even – I haven't peeked at the women's as much. Where's K-State? I know they won the Big 12. Nice. They're up there. Five seed? Solid. Solid five seed. We do know that Juju Watkins is at the top of her game. Texas is – God damn. Yeah, they're number one seed. I think it's kind of fair to say they're –
I think it's fair to say, at least for the number one seeds. You don't see the number one seeds get kicked as much as you do in the men's brackets.
Yeah, can't forget South Carolina. They've been at the top for quite a while now. They're kind of like the UConn of the modern day. They have a lot of talent there year in, year out.
They would do it in the middle of the street.
Jason, this is supposed to be 45 minutes.
Where the fuck is Duke? I think they're a two seed. Yeah, Duke's a two seed.
Okay, great. Who's your other team? Florida State?
I don't know. Jason's going with height. I'm going to pick the stars. I'm putting Juju in the final four. I'm going to pick the stars as well. I'm picking the stars. There's like five or six real bona fide stars in that women's bracket. I'm going to go ahead and slide them on forward.
Paige is going to be just fine. Paige is going to be just fine. No.
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It's kind of like when you give yourself your own nickname and you try to, like, get other people to do it.
The NIT? Yeah.
4,000 kids out front watching a fight unfold in the middle of Cedar Road. Gosh, man. And then we just... Go across the street over to Wendy's and get a Frosty and some five-piece nugget.
The second-tier bracket? You're fucking hilarious, Jason.
Gotta love the Heights, baby. Gotta love the Heights. We got a breaking contract news. We got some news in the contract world. The Bengals have fucking unloaded the Brinks trucks. Love it. And have signed both Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins.
So four-year deals, Jamar getting 161 with 112 guaranteed, making him the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history, and then T. Higgins getting 115 mil respectfully in his first two years guaranteed, fully guaranteed, so.
For those who are wondering, yes, Joe Burrow making $55 million per year, Jamar Chase making just over 40 mil a year, and T. Higgins making close to 30 mil a year. That's over $125 million per year in new money on just three offensive players. When you say it like that, That is fucking, it's bonkers. I'm not going to say it shouldn't be done. It's just never been done.
I don't know. Yeah, no, I think they do.
I've never heard of this much of the salary cap being allocated to three offensive players.
That's not three offensive players.
Dude, I used to hate that when we were little in like baseball, like travel baseball, if you didn't make it into like the final four or something, you went to a loser's bracket just so you could play on Sundays.
Yeah. Devontae Smith isn't making – 50 mil.
I hear you. All right. He's still only making 30.
We'll find out. Yeah, we're going to find out. I don't think they stay.
I bet you it never gets close that 125 mil per year. To three offensive players. No. And that percentage of what the cap is right now, that percentage will never be just three players ever.
Somebody can figure that out. It's all going to be on paper. But I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying that...
I'm not trying to be in this fucking loser's bracket. Fucking losers.
You got me. You got me. It sounds pretty ridiculous, but you got me.
Or should we go and find somebody else?
Yeah, all right. You guys let us know if you guys want to learn this stuff.
Ooh. Yeah. That's what I'm fucking talking about, big dog.
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Chubbs. Absolutely legendary, man.
Yeah.
You're on Fallon letting everybody know that you've been waiting for the right storyline. You've been waiting to feel the moment of it and to do it right. Yes, yes, yes. We got all the trust in the world. You're going to bring happy back and make them lovable again, man. Thank you, bro.
The original got me on the golf course, and it also got me in the batting cages doing shit I probably shouldn't be doing. But toughen it up. You did that? Just toughen it up. See, man? I knew you could handle that shit.
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Yeah, boys, did you play Little League Baseball too? Oh, no. Everything, man. Everything sports related. It was like the backyard was like a sports complex. We would go up and get all the used equipment from Play It Again Sports, and my dad would get like everything for like $20. Yeah, love it. Get the equipment, put it in our hands, and let us have some fun with it, man.
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I mean, this is right up there. Can't ruin this episode, though. I've met this person once.
You're just chewing on these days. Just the traditional, the old traditional one, Mint Fresh. Yeah, I like, I'll go Wintergreen every now and then or Spearmint, but for the most part, I'm just like a fresh mint kind of guy.
Yes to fresh with Mentos gum. Let's get to a little – some more familiar questions here. In case you aren't aware, Jason and I are not professional interviewers. I don't even know how to be a professional outside of football. We're just two big fans with a lot of fucking questions for you, man. As football players, we've got to lead with this.
How many football guys come up to you and talk about the Waterboy, man?
But you're still on the courts, man. I was about to say. Yes, yes. Your skills on the court are iconic because you're just a facilitator. You just see the court. You see things before they happen. You remind me of a guy like Patty Mahomes and how his game is on the court. Sweet behind the backer. That behind the backer. I have dreams of throwing that to you, buddy.
Oh, yeah.
Just a natural leader, baby. Yeah. I love it, man. It's so fun watching you in all those highlights, man.
Jason used to beat my ass, literally. One-on-one? I would win the game, but it would be a brutal ass beating. And I would just get thrown on the cement the entire time.
I had a mean hook shot. And I can't stop him to save my life. It was so buttery. It was so buttery.
I'm not sure if you heard us. We were literally like – I don't know how he didn't win more awards for this. This was ridiculously good work.
He did very good. He did. He stepped it up for that shit. Yeah.
If it's a good one, you got to just be tasteful with it if you're going to do it.
So good. So good. It probably felt right as it came together too. You're just like, man, this is coming together so smooth. Because it's – start to finish, that thing is perfect.
It's going to be perfect timing and great delivery. You got to deliver it if you're going to do it. Oh, you guys are in for a treat. I mean, we're in for a treat, too. It's cool to even have this guy on.
It almost makes it unfair for modern day comedy, man.
I saw you that fucking weekend.
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Just channeling my inner Sandman and Farley, baby.
Farley was a fucking great football player, by the way. Heck, yeah. Heck, yeah. A little Marquette rugby, too, baby. Absolutely. Exactly. And ready to fight, by the way.
Let's not do this.
So good, man. I like the sauce. Yes. That's one of my favorite ones, dude. Oh, you like the juice?
The juice is good, yeah.
You do it smoother than me, bud. It's so good, man. I forgot how to drop it in there. It's the best, man.
Have you have you been someone that like you you like to watch everything that you have? I mean, I'm sure nowadays you're just you're so engulfed in you're in the edit and like directing it and everything. Right. Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, I couldn't I can't really watch anything that I do when it's when it's being recorded. But I have so much goddamn fun doing stuff like SNL and just like the comedy stuff that I don't need to watch it. I was so fulfilled doing it. That energy. Yeah. Yeah. The energy is just so fulfilling that I don't want to ruin it by it. by critiquing myself.
i watched the monologue because that was a moment that i wanted to remember forever and like i'd like i just being on that fucking stage was the cool behind being behind that door and being on that stage and being in that studio was just so iconic and you fucking walked out like so relaxed man how about being behind that fucking door dude
And just don't, Travis, don't fall down these fucking steps. Do not fall down these steps. You are live, dude. You are live.
That was nice.
Jason's been beat my ass on my whole life. So I'm a crybaby anyways. I just I get really, really I'm engulfed. And then when I'm when I'm in on something, I'm so fucking in on it. And it just took it over, man.
Were you a Belushi, an Aykroyd? Yes. Going into it, did you have the guys where you were like, man, if I could just somehow be as funny as that guy?
So awesome.
I know that feeling.
Just a sponge, man. Yes, exactly, exactly. That's how you got to be.
Too good. Yeah, well, I actually saw you take the girls to the Taylor Swift premiere at the AMC theaters.
You know, man. Best performer out here.
So cool, man.
So I'm just like...
She was so grateful that you took the girls up there, Ben. It was an absolute blast.
I appreciate that, brother.
Yeah, Bagel. That's such a good name. That is such a good name.
I'm so pumped to see this.
Oh, yeah. There he is. All right. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. We had to see him. Georgia Bulldog. That's a good one right there.
They don't like the heat, man. I know.
I've got it at my house. I've got it at the facility. I got a lot of the guys on the team chugging these things. I mean, everybody needs to get accelerated in their life, and what better way to get natural energy healthy energy than accelerator, baby.
That's why I'm drinking these things all day, every day, baby. I'm up to like 10 a day. You can go find it at Hy-Vee. Quick trip. And of course, Amazon makes it too easy. Way too easy. You can get it right at your front door.
Like you know to check the tire pressure before hitting the road.
That's a good one, too. Don't want to forget that. Like you know to check that you packed your lucky yellow cleats for the big game.
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Yeah.
You worked with a lot of athletes in the past. You worked with Shaq, Michael Irvin, Kevin Garnett recently, and Anthony Edwards recently. All great. Do you feel like there's like an avenue of athletes being comfortable on the screen? Well, you guys. Has anybody bombed it, basically, is what I'm asking.
No names.
All you guys are coachable. Yeah. I was about to say, gotta be coachable in life, baby. You certainly do. How do you decide to make the jump from comedy guy to like more of like the dramatic stuff in the, throughout your career? Was it just like a challenge that you wanted to do?
Heck yeah. Accountability, baby. Exactly.
Yeah.
So we got to jump into your – we always do a Mount Rushmore of – like Jason did a Mount Rushmore of centers. I did Mount Rushmore of tight ends. Yes. Who is your Mount Rushmore of – well, it says characters on here.
Of my own shit. Yeah, who is the Mount Rushmore of your characters, you think? Yeah.
There you go. One of my sneaky favorites of yours, brother.
Seriously.
Another one where you just engulfed. You just brought us all in with this.
Yeah.
It's so good, man. The sideways face.
oh that felt nice that's so cool man yeah that's so cool that's oh i'll tell you what that's probably the the most epic uh mount rushmore i've ever fucking heard oh yeah i love that little nicky up there was this isn't on this this isn't on the run now but i want to who's your mount rushmore comedians like on your list
Love Rodney. Oh, back to school. Oh, yeah, baby.
Yeah, baby. So good. The best.
Yeah, yeah.
We're a football podcast. We got to get into a little bit of your QB. You already told everybody that you were kind of a Pop Warner QB, but the longest yard man.
How much like prep in the NFL? Were you just out there winging it, knowing that you still had the skill set? Or did you actually take some pointers from some guys?
Sorry, Bagel. So good. In 97, you wrote a song called The Lonesome Kicker. Yes. Loved it. Would you ever write a song about any other positions, or has that come up in your mind? Any other sport like that, or what, man? Shit, yeah.
well let's get to some no dumb questions with the sandman himself i'm ready the segment is called uh no dumb questions because there's no such thing as dumb questions adam just dumb ass people like me and jason would you uh would you mind helping us with just one baby please please make me a part of it let's do this all right from hey buck nasty whoever whatever that may mean um out of out of all the movies that the sandman is dropping um
We still want to know what's happening in Bobby Boucher and Vicky Vallecourt's life. Did Bobby ever make it to the NFL? Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's a beautiful story. Yeah, it's a beautiful story. We had to at least figure out what happened. Yeah, yeah. And that wraps it up with No Dumb Questions today. And man, honestly, Adam, we can't thank you enough for jumping on with this, brother. You are the goat of the comedy that we grew up on and I can't thank you enough, man.
You shot me the text after SNL and it was like the full life circle moment of seeing, just feeling like I'm a part of something as cool as the Sandman. So I appreciate you even jumping on, having some fun down memory lane with us and Everybody, make sure you check out the Netflix special he's got coming out, man. Appreciate that.
You're the best, dude. The absolute best. We won't take any more of your time, man. The Sandman, ladies and gentlemen. Right on, boys.
Oh, you're the man, dude. Okay, peace. We can't thank you enough for the time. We'll see you in a few weeks, brother.
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Not too long. I saw 100% Fresh live, actually. I was at the Hayworth out there in L.A., dude. That's right, buddy. I remember seeing you. I was so... Fuck. I was in a whole nother world. And I remember, too, just off the top, that I...
still remembers there's a phone wall of keys yes yes i fucking sing that every single time i walk out of the goddamn door oh i love that i haven't forgot them since love that and then uh and then uh i want to grow old with you dude yes i sang that too yes yes i sang that for the special and that was six years ago yeah yeah yeah that is that was six years ago when i saw you
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just a badass but uh we know i think i got the swing down you do i think i got the swing down can you crack it like that i was out there the other day and uh it was it was literally the day after you went on fallon and uh and told everybody and i was like man you know what i just got to do a ceremonial one it just you know and i fucking ripped it you did it felt so good dude it felt so good
Yeah, boys. You always got the flyest shit on, dude. Everybody always tells you. I know it.
Yeah, I can hit it about 320 consistently off the drive. Son of a bitch. But I could be three holes over or right next to the pole. It's either way.
It's fun.
You can hear Pat Mahomes in the background telling you where it went.
He's a way better player than I am. He takes it way more serious. I'm just out there for the fun, man.
A little frustrated. Have you gotten back into playing at all just to kind of get ready for the movie? Did you take time off from playing golf?
Oh, nice.
That's where they play the Genesis Open. That's a legit course. Exactly.
You can wear that thing to dinner. You wear it to the courts. You wear that thing everywhere, man.
That's kind of my spot to around 88 or something. I'm good probably playing 18. When it gets to like 18 three days in a row, I am just cooked, man. I am cooked, and my swing is all over the place. I'm not made for three days of golf in a row.
Do they have burgers on the turn? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once I eat.
That's the best.
I was going to say you inspired an entire like generation to get on the golf course, man. I promise you, you did. I was one of the kids. We used to go up to the public course all the time and just wanted to absolutely hammer them and, and hit them with that, the happy Gilmore swing and everything. And we were hockey players growing up. So that, that, that the movie extra hard. Yeah. So hard, man.
And, uh,
The tits got big.
That was cool, man. It's insane, man.
Jason, speaking of kind of like being in a room where you're like, how the fuck did I get here? Was there ever a moment like that early on for you where you're just like, how did it happen so fast? How did I get here?
Yes.
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That's awesome, man. Before we get off of Happy Gilmore, though, I'm actually curious. I'm not familiar with how the original thought process of the movie came about. Okay, yeah. I'm pretty curious. Was it just you just messing around on a golf course and it kind of connecting the dots or what?
Oh, yeah.
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I thought it was maybe for the playoffs.
He's back. We're going to get him nice and primed up for the big dance.
Yeah, I think it was a great game for that. Obviously, Pat and Noah have been hitting on all cylinders all year. And Pop, Isaiah Pacheco's running downhill, the two-headed monster we got. Really, three-headed monster we got with him, Kareem Hunt, and Samaj P. Ryan. Getting them pistons going. I'm excited to keep growing.
He's just smart, dude.
Dude, he's the best, man. The absolute best. He's been the I got you guy. Whatever you need, coaches, players, whatever you need.
Well, speaking of unnoticed, before we get too far, since we're giving everybody shout-outs, we gave Big Tooney a shout-out because he moved to tackle, but somebody had to fill that left guard spot, and Mike Caliendo stepped up. Mike Caliendo? Yeah, Caliendo's stepped up. I mean, he's another one of those guys who just is always ready.
He's hanging around, waiting for his opportunity, and couldn't be happier for him to have such a good game, his first game back in there.
Back in PA?
I don't know what's going to happen for Christmas, but I know this weekend, Pat's been taking all the reps this weekend. But what we do know is that Carson, he's prepped and ready to rock and roll, like he always is. A pro's pro, as they say it in the league, man. The guy takes his job very serious and is always ready for the opportunity if it presents itself.
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But we all know Pat is one of the toughest guys in the league. He's going to play through anything and everything that he possibly can, all while making sure that the team's best interest is there.
We're playing meaningful football games right now. So I know Pat wants to be out there for his teammates and his coaches more than anybody, man. He's always been that guy. But it was cool to see Carson get in there, get his feet wet a little bit and spin the rock, get us a big first down late in the game. And, yeah, it was funny, man. You don't realize how much –
hearing a cadence from another quarterback is such a big deal, man. The timing. I used to hate it.
It happened twice. We went, you know, just a regular cadence on the first one, and somebody jumped, and then finally we went on a hard cadence. And I'm not going to lie, he almost got me three times in a row. Yeah, he's got a hard cadence now. He's got a good cadence. He's going to buck that thing out. He's got some good frequency when he comes out.
Silent cadence.
Yeah. Anyways. It can be useful, though. But, yeah, it was fun to hear. And I told him, I was like, dude, you got a hell of a fucking cadence. I didn't realize until we're in live bullets. And you know what I mean? You got to fucking get off the ball. I was like, it's some good shit, though. And you know what?
It's an honor to fucking get into a huddle with a guy that's, you know, taking snaps, had his hands under your ass. It's fun.
Honestly, man, I'm excited, man. I'm excited. You know, the body's... Not as excited to get out there and try and run around and get the game plan together during practice, but I'll play whenever, man. I'll play whenever, wherever. I just know that I'm so fortunate to be able to play this game that I'm going to cherish every time I get to play on the field.
So I'm not going to harp on the schedule that was given to us, especially this late in the season. It kind of seems crazy, and it feels crazy, and it feels like it's a challenge set by the NFL to be able to, you know,
finish as the one seed and knowing that you know we have won two in a row but i think uh i accept that challenge man i think it's gonna you know make it make it feel that much better if we can get out of this um get out of this little three game stretch with three wins and um it makes us feel a little bit more confident that you know we can we can get after it uh against some of the best teams in the afc uh week to week to week and um especially some of the best defenses so
Cleveland Heights High School alumni and also Cincinnati Bearcat alumni. The University of Cincinnati finally knocks down Xavier after about five years of the cross-down shootout. Yeah. It just feels good when you can win one in the city, especially against your rivalry.
I don't know if there will ever be two bye. Oh, I get you. Yeah, don't have to play the last game. And, yeah, I got you. That's a little motivation. It's a little motivation. We control our destiny, man. We know if we finish the season off strong, we can get some time to get healthy or at least get our bodies back to – Get home field advantage. Yeah, get some home field advantage.
I love playing at Arrowhead, baby. Playoff games at Arrowhead have become my favorite environment in the world.
It's so peaceful, isn't it? It makes you feel at home. It really does. Chiefs Kingdom really just knows how to do it right, man.
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Trying to hype it up, Jason.
All right, let's hit three more of the biggest. This is very hard to read. I don't know why.
I don't even know what this segment is. Me neither. It's so much fun not knowing anything.
Speaking of the Bearcats, you see those Jordans right there. Those are the Jason Tatum's, man.
Fire us up, bud. Eagles 27, Steelers 13. Jason, initial thoughts on the old PA rivalry?
Yeah.
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Against great teams, yeah.
Yeah, both over 100 yards. Yeah, so it's –
Yes, he did.
the eagles ice the game on a drive that was 21 fucking plays a good old long drive drill with 88 yards and took 10 minutes and 30 seconds how about that off the clock the longest drive in modern record football books uh belongs to the tennessee oilers 25 plays in 13 minutes and ended with a 19 yard field goal ew oh that's daggering yeah for both teams that's fucking daggering
No, that's pretty fucking impressive. And shout out to the Birds, man. They're freaking flying around. Big time win against the Steelers.
And like you said, kind of shut all the critics up about the old pass game.
Well, when it doesn't pan out for them in the end.
It goes the other way.
That's what I'm talking about.
Well, next week the Eagles got the commies, got the commanders over there in Washington, and the Eagles can cleanse the NFC East with a win, which is the playoff berth when you win the division. It's a big game. Big, big, big, big, big game right here. How about that? The NFC East got some juggernauts over in the NFC now, man. Huh? You got the Eagles. You got the Lions. You got the Vikings.
The Rams are still the Rams. You got to fight.
Yeah, not just the NFC East, but the NFC in general.
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They are, yeah. It hasn't necessarily been that. You know, Green Bay, they got a fucking great team. Great quarterback, great coach, great defense.
Ridiculous.
No, they are.
Ooh, I like that one.
Good luck, Eagles, baby.
Starting to play some meaningful football, man.
Dude, there were some good ones this week, man.
Shout out to skipper, man. I mean, just a classic tight end naked. Just a little boot, man. Slam for five steps going left, three steps going right.
It puts teams in a tough position, man.
Let's see it. I mean, great strip. Good strip. Good strip. Get on it, big dog. Get on it, big dog. Does he have it? Does he have it? Does he have it? He's out of bounds. That's controlled. That's touchdown. I mean... That's close. That's close. That's nice. But I'm glad they gave it to him. Way to get... Way to just... Way to be there.
Way to not just fumble that fucking thing out of the back of the end zone. You know what I mean?
I mean, he koala'd this thing for sure.
He koala'd that thing up. But honestly, the best one. The big one. My favorite. Yeah. Trevante Sweat is now the heaviest player to 366 pounds to ever run with the ball in the NFL. Tops Ted Washington's 365. Look at this dude. Stiffy. Come here. Set up the block. Hit the highway. Get outside. This was electric.
Watch the juke he puts on the left tackle. Dude, this is as good as Colin Saunders. Colin's like, look at him. Slide. Break off. Stiffy. Stiff arm. Bro. Stiff arm. I was ferocious.
He needs to be a fullback on the goal line immediately. Put him in the new Frigerator Perry, man. Look at this guy. Oh, my God. A big man rumbling, stumbling, bumbling. Dude, that was electric, man.
Joe Burrow doesn't love it, and I completely understand. But Stiffy, set up your block. Get outside. Oh. It's so good. It's so good. 360 pound, just giants, just Titans.
Just setting up their blocks, man. Fuck. I'm glad that that didn't happen against me. I had to try and tackle that guy. That was an offensive lineman he fucking stiff-armed. What have you done to me?
Fucking take a knee to the face and get a concussion?
Ah, dude. Open field cuts, man. Yeah. Yeah, I did good old days. Back when it was legal. Shout out to Devondre. Hell of a play, bub.
what is the weirder object flying over new jersey that's right with all these uh drones flying around what another giants fan playing with a banner demanding john mara to fire everyone or or what or else we won't stop until you fire everyone
The still unidentified drones that have been spotted over New Jersey or all over the East Coast cities, to be honest.
The aliens are among us. The Pentagon said it.
Dude, what? You heard what the Pentagon said.
Dude, ask Dad. He's been on the satellites, dude. He heard them. He's got to still have those satellites hooked up to some speaker somewhere.
Everybody has.
Heck yeah.
Maybe it's just a coastal safety precaution. Just making sure there's no, you know. All right, let's get out of here. Yeah, I don't even want to. I want to get into conspiracies about what the fuck those drones are. They're sniffing around for nuclear activity.
Come on now. They think it's among us. Everybody saw that video. They don't want to freak everybody out.
No one go crazy. Everyone keep calm. They're just drones. What are they doing? We don't know. Somebody's fucking around in their backyard.
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Oh, shit.
It's part diner.
No, you already said it. Fuck.
This is what we're doing.
I'm super pumped.
Oh, my God. Those of you that don't get the reference, Heights High was such a big school that during all the lunch periods, we split up whoever had lunch that period. So you go half in the social room, half in the cafeteria. The bell rings. Everybody flops. The social room was exactly what it sounds like. Everybody's just fucking around and hanging out for the remainder of the lunch period.
This explains so much, Jerry.
It's definitely a meat. That's not a... What else would it be? Yeah, 100%. It's any animal that's cooked.
Good for you, man.
I mean, squirrel and raccoon are both technically roadkill, but so is deer. And I've seen you eat jerky.
So this is going to be big. And, I mean, obviously, busting with the boys, Will Compton, Nebraska Kernhusker.
I'm pretty sure it's the rodent family.
You would think it's rodent. It's 100% rodent.
No.
It's right there.
I'm pretty sure the lamest term is rodent. They're in the rodent family.
Dude, I'm not eating fucking raccoon. I'm not eating squirrel. I'm not eating bugs. I'm not eating snake, kangaroo, deer.
I'm out. I'm out on all that. I'm out on Guinea pig. I'm out on duck. What's the strangest meat you've ever had?
I'm not fucking with duck. I had it one time and we didn't love it.
Yeah. I guess alligator, the alligator nuggets.
Yeah.
Survival of the fittest or survival. I'll eat fucking meat. You know what I mean? I'll fuck it.
I mean, how can you not be fired up?
Jesus, Jerry.
It was the moment it was announced. Football, baby, in GEHA Arrowhead Stadium.
Jerry, you ever had...
Jihad! Thursday, August 12th, UC will open the 2025 season versus the Cornhuskers. So it's going to be a fun one. The first game of the year, got to love it. Are we going? If I can make it, I'm there. Typically, Sunday games, we play Sunday games. Saturdays are a pretty busy day for us. But, I mean, it is right there. Yeah, if I can get over there at Arrowhead, I guarantee you I will be there.
You can't go wild. You can't go wild. You got to go tame because then you're just biting into rabies.
I'll let you try it and then hear what you got to say about it. I respect your opinion.
I love a good schmackin' meal, but I'm going to say that that's probably not schmackin'.
Love it. Love it, Coach. M-I-Z-Z-O-U. Missouri Tigers. We actually got a Cleveland Heights Tiger that just signed his letter of intent to go to University of Missouri. Shout out to Marquise Davis running back out of Cleveland Heights. I'm sure he'll play running back there. He's one of the best players in the state of Ohio this year.
I'm pretty sure I saw a stat line that had him rushing like 24 rushes for 400 yards and eight touchdowns in one game. Gosh.
Dude, I swear to God. There's no chance. Dude's a fucking absolute beast. Yeah, shout out to Mizzou, baby, over there in Columbia, Missouri. Post-game meal. What is your favorite post-game meal? You said a few of my favorites off the rip. Andy's Frozen Custard. Slide over there and get you an 87 Ultimate Cookie Custard, man. Oh, okay. This shit's delicious. Got to stop over at Andy.
Shout out to Andy. I'm down. I just love to pig out on some pizza, man.
I love just getting just boxes of it and just fucking just going one by one. Pizza might be my favorite food altogether, though.
Dude, we had a good one up there in Cleveland, Ohio City Burrito. What?
Man.
There you go. I'm with that. I used to love the Jimmy Johns in the locker. Was that Mike's?
At Cincinnati?
That was the Italian dressing on those fuckers.
Those sandwiches sucked. You just, you took too long of showers. You got to get them while they're hot.
Ooh, is it going spicy or original?
Ooh! I don't even fuck with apple pie, but I'm in with you.
The Bearcats are playing Minnie Mahomes. Dude, look at this guy. His dad played there as well. I forget his actual name.
There you go. Well, now you got it. Coach, uh, drink wits. Get your guys some apple pies from Popeye's. That's a next call. Yep. On the new Heights hotline. Let's hear it.
Jason, do you have any idea who Jalen Brunson is?
Look at this guy.
I'm proud of you, man. You've met a lot of people.
Brunson? That's a good dog name.
It rings. It definitely rings.
I was about to say, we named a pet after a famous athlete that we loved.
Yeah, Albert Bell.
But we definitely, we can relate because we've done this. For sure. It's awesome. So I'm honored if Jason doesn't want to be honored.
And it was a girl dog, B-E-L-L-E. It's so fitting. It was so fitting. For sure. Other sports names for dogs include Wemby for Victor Wembyana, Witt, W-I-T-T for my guy over in the KC Royals, Bobby Witt Jr. Okay, okay. Purdy for Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant and 49er starting QB. Bronny for LeBron James Jr. Nice. And then Diggs, Stefan Diggs. Diggs is a good one. Messi, Lionel Messi. There's a bunch.
Son. I'm pretty sure that's why he went to Nebraska is because his father went there.
You can't go wrong. Yeah. New this year include Sweet Simone for Simone Biles, I would assume. Caitlin Clark. Shohei is a solid name for any pet. Luca or Dog Chick. Dog Chick instead of Dog Chick.
Don't love it, but I see it. I respect it. I respect the effort.
Yeah, the older I get, these are all human names, but I hear what you're saying.
You've had three dogs.
There's no way. I know you way too well.
I'm kind of with you on these. I'm in on this. Yes, I am in on this.
Bernadette? What the fuck?
I've never met anybody named Bernadette.
Yeah. Bernie.
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Look at this. That's a fucking football player right there.
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For sure. I think I saw Dylan at a Chiefs game not too long ago on the sidelines. Can't miss him. Can't miss him. Big dude, man. Big dude. You can see why he's got the size like Pat does to play the quarterback position. Dylan and Pat, I believe, had the same quarterback coach in the offseason. Their non-team quarterback coach, Jeff Christensen. Shout out to the Christensen family.
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Jake, his son, is a good friend of mine as well. And they play the game very, very similarly. Obviously, 15, the hair, some of the antics are the same. But Dylan's got all the tools, man. He's legit. And the Bearcats are going to have their hands full first game of the year next year.
I'm not going to lie. I had so much like – when I think of Ohio State Buckeyes, I think of just toughness, man. Yeah. I think of just – and I just don't think this is a – a toughness type move, right? I just, you know, I guess I want to have sportsmanship. You want to have all that, but I don't want to shit on anybody.
You get the fuck out of here, Josh. You're going to arrest him? Is that what you're saying? You're going to arrest the guy?
Yeah, we don't need fistfights. We don't need fistfights, and this antagonizes that. I'm not a favor of it. Not a favor of it. At the same time, this is just doing a lot. It's doing a lot. But shout out to the Buckeyes. Shout out to the Wolverines.
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That's what it was. He got it back. Got it back. That's right.
He's got a smooth swing.
You?
We got to loosen that thing up, man. We got to unwind you just a little bit, man.
That thing looks tense. You just look tense out there, man.
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Dude, I just love that city, man. Yeah, man. It was so fun. Something about being back by that lake. When we flew in, I felt like a tour guide just telling everybody every single city that we were going past. Yeah, every monument. I love it. Every building. Oh, that's where my mom worked right there. The big one, the key bank. I don't know if you saw it.
What else? Oh, my God. Everything from just flying into the city, seeing the skyline. I have such a love for... an appreciation for how we grew up and, and the fun that we had and, and, you know, all the people that we, we knew that helped mold me and, and have the values that I have today. And a lot of them were at the game and, and I, I knew they were at the game. It, it felt awesome to, to,
whether it was my friends being there, my friends' parents being there, my childhood friends' kids now watching me like I was a little kid watching the Browns. And it's just – it's so crazy to drive to the stadium. I mean, I had crazy flashbacks of going to – the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is right there on the same block as well as the Science Center. The Science Center was –
we went there on like field trips to both of those places as kids, you know, school field trips and silly memories, like going to the cafeteria at the science center and spitting spit balls at like random people and getting in trouble for it as a kid, just being just reckless and like getting in trouble with my friends and the memories and all that silly stuff was just like,
going in and out of my mind and i just you know it just it felt so surreal and i i don't know if it's the last time i'll ever play in cleveland but it kind of felt like i was like giving it one last hoorah before i'm done because you know i've only played there twice in 12 years so yeah unless uh we get thrown on there in the in the next couple i don't really see it ever happening again and
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It was just a special day for me personally, man. So shout out to everybody from the Heights and everybody from Cleveland that showed up for me and has always supported me in life, not just since I've been in the league.
It's pretty crazy, yeah. And it came off of a play where he was staring at the jumbotron as the ball was being thrown.
Yeah, sometimes guys... Do they teach that? I don't know if they teach that, but he's a savvy football player.
at the jumbotron like while you're running to like the end zone like you're out in the open see where people are at i've seen i've heard people doing that i've never heard of this what all right yeah play the clip brain is for whatever reason i somehow glanced up at the jumbotron because it was a scramble drill and just saw him launch it and i was like that's the my size are you kidding me like the big the big screen
You can see his eyes go up, too. I'm running into the end zone straight ahead. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Let's see him launch it. That's crazy.
And the Jumbotron is a little delayed, too. So for him to, like, turn his head around and find the ball, knowing that it's not like the... Yeah, it's crazy. It's a crazy thing. And talking to Trent about it, man, I'm just happy as hell for him, man. The guy has been one of the... Best cornerbacks in the league since he's gotten the league, since he was drafted here.
He doesn't necessarily have the interceptions to prove it, but he has the play to prove it. And he's helped us win two Super Bowls in a row, man, and is one of our best players on defense. And it kind of goes, I don't know, unnoticed a little bit because the interceptions just weren't there, man. But it's good to see him get his first, man.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, this fucking Miles Garrett. But he went out there and blocked his ass off. That was awesome.
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He's a staple for this team, man. It killed us that he wasn't able to come out there in the Super Bowl last year, knowing he got – I think he tore his pec before the Super Bowl last year. But, yeah, he's such a pleasure to have on the team because he's such a fucking team guy.
One of the toughest guys that I've ever been around. I think he's got a crazy stat going right now that I don't want to jinx, but after the season, remind me. Yeah, let's not. But it's just he's always been that guy that can just fill in whatever you need. He can play center. He can play guard. He can play tackle. And obviously guard is his best position.
But, I mean, to be able to maneuver or move around and, you know, be wherever the team needs him to be and going up against the best in the league, you know, that's a huge task, man. I couldn't be more proud of the guy, man. What did you think of the offense as a whole? We're rolling, man. We're putting up touchdowns. I think we got in the red zone before half and didn't come away with any points.
But outside of that, man, there's a few just – we're off just a tick on a few of those drives. It's not far off. It's all correctable stuff. You know, it's all depth and routes. It's all timing. It's all, you know, hand placement and blocking and in the run game and identifying the defense and where everybody's going. And it's all fixable stuff.
And don't get me wrong, the Browns and, you know, Schwartz. Yeah, Schwartz. Jim Schwartz. Schwartz did an unbelievable job of – Making shit tricky. He's a very good coach, yeah. He does a great job of making things tricky. He kind of specified that game plan against a lot of the stuff that we like to do. Played heavy outside leverage with a lot of the man coverage with, you know, help inside.
And that forces us to go outside with the ball a lot. And, you know, I think – I think that's where that game, this Browns game, really helped us improve because we gained a lot of confidence going outside the numbers there with D-Hop and Xavier. It's going to be even more fun getting my guy Hollywood Brown back this week. When's he getting back? This week? He's back, baby. He's back.
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Dude, so good, man. He's just got to know, man.
I enjoy talking ball with him. He ropes you in, man.
He ropes you in. He just wants to... He just wants to get better, man. I fucking love that. No doubt. Well, you guys got a lot of talent around you over there. I'm sure that had a lot to do with you wanting to come back. I mean, it feels like a great situation over there.
Obviously, the Cooper Cup, like, decision of whether he's going to be back, things like that, one of the best receivers in the league still. Yeah. Obviously dealt with some stuff last year, but is it like – And we don't have to talk about this if you don't want to. But have you talked to him?
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Hell yeah. Man, I still remember that goddamn interview where he just started ripping off defensive coverages and stuff. Dude, that shit was so – but it was like, I mean – The mind is going, man.
You were saying he watches film with you guys. I mean, is he that, like, in tune with, like, protection calls and stuff like that? Or was he just trying to get out of that interview?
I got to love it. You got to tell me the difference, though, of a guy like him than a guy like Demarcus Robinson.
You guys got so much talent out there.
Not illegal to communicate out there. The thing is, you get me and D-Rob on the same side. We're over there like, we'll both just get somebody.
That's some exciting shit.
It was wild. It was wild. Especially in L.A., man.
Oh, every year.
No doubt. I mean, the guy was playing at Georgia Tech.
Yeah, put him out there.
12.
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I don't know if you know it, but March is here. It's going to be wild. Everyone always locks in on the men's tournament, but the women's bracket is shaping up to be unreal. Yeah. Have you seen Juju Watkins?
Electric. We got to meet her out in France last year, actually. If you're not already on the Juju team, now's your chance to say you were there early. That's right.
Yeah, she can literally do it all, man. This is the year, and make sure you keep your eye on Juju Watkins. Her mindset is next level, like the way she attacks everything she does.
Like catchphrase? If they want to use it, they're going to have to pay me a lot of money.
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Ooh, I like how you went down here, Jason. Do you have any fun dining experiences planned for maybe St. Patrick's Day?
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If you want to hear what they're talking about. March Madness Bracket Challenge. 92 percenters. We're pumped. Yeah. Jacked up.
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For our first fan contest of the year. And a gold cup. Is on the line. Is on the line. That's right. If you remember, we had a bracket challenge last year that decided the best team name. The winner was the Vikings. Yep. That's still up to debate. I don't know.
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Good old Mike. Yeah. All right, well... Goddamn, that was good. What do you think the biggest change in the league has been? It's both flexes and coaches.
This is... Oh, okay.
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I appreciate you. We got to talk about something that Tom Brady said, though. He's saying that college isn't developing these quarterbacks like they used to. Do you kind of see that as well? Do you see some of these young guys that come in that doesn't seem like they're as ingrained in maybe the X's and O's or their mechanics as much?
When you come into the league nowadays, I just feel like, and this might be me being older thinking about this, but it feels like it's a younger game. Oh, yeah. I don't see the Ray Lewis's at linebacker where it's like intimidation.
Where you're under center and you're staring at Ray Lewis and you're like, okay, here we go.
I was out when you say conglomerate. We will post links to where you can make your picks and enter this bracket challenge. You'll play against us, me and Jason, and the New Heights team.
It's tough when Calvin Johnson's double covered because you're like, man, he's double, but fuck, it is Calvin.
Yeah, Jason doesn't even know what a basketball is made of.
Oh.
That's what he thought. All the college balls are made of some sort of composite now, Jason.
Not even a lick? Which is why I feel extremely confident. In a lot of ways. Because I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
It was incredible. I remember it was my first time playing in L.A. against the Rams, and it was a preseason game. And I'm number three closest to the line. We're running all-goes special. It's cover two, or at least I see too high. And I'm thinking I'm just right at the hash. And I take off, and I'm like, man, I'm just going to fucking dig for my first five to ten yards.
And by the time I got to the five yards downfield, I felt something throw me to the numbers. Yeah. And I got out of that play like fucking like a little dazed. I'm like, what in the fuck was that? And I watch it on film and it was 80 coming from the backside B gap and just fucking smoked me. Oh, I believe there was a blitz from the other side. And I was just like, what the fuck?
I had never felt like more of like, Like the lightest thing. I had never moved that fast before ever in my life by anybody.
Gotta tell it, though.
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No, it's not. You're doing the same note. I'm doing a different note. Do your note. No.
That time you were different. Because I did the same note that time.
I'm done. All right. Yeah, no, this would be easy. This would be easy. Rapid fire, too. You don't even got to think about it. Am I elaborating on these answers? Am I just one-wording? Yeah, you can.
As of 2024, the only remaining active players in the NFL from 2009 draft class are you and Jets punter Thomas Morstead.
Morstead. Yes. The E-A-D.
It's a tough one. Read, read. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?
It's a real deal, bro. I don't know who created this fucking language. Yeah. Do you plan to do whatever it takes to outlast Morstia?
I don't think Jesus is in the NCAA, no.
So they say.
He doesn't even know who we gave NIL money to at the University of Cincinnati. I don't. I'm not going to lie, I don't know one name. Jizzle James. Shout out to Jizzle James. Jizzle James. Yeah, he's still there.
Especially Dome City, too. Oh, man.
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We're back on the Nutsacks. I don't know why that's in the rundown. Former offensive coordinator. No, I'm kidding. Your former offensive coordinator, Kevin O'Connell, told a story about a game before he was head coach where QB fell down a skinny staircase at Lambeau. Do you recall this? Yeah, well, that... Was that QBU? No? No. Oh, shit. We've narrowed down the suspects.
There you go. I'm with you.
It just freezes everybody for a second. Yeah, exactly right. Well, we got you here. The first time we met you was out in Georgia. Yeah. The lake. Yes. Dude, what was your first impression of a guy like Jason Kelsey? Jesus Christ. You know, I remember, I feel like... And shout out to the Air Force boys, man.
We're on the honor code, people. There will be a bracket for both the men's and women's tournaments, so we'll be handing out two Golden Cups.
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Yeah, baby. Let's go, baby. Appreciate you coming through, brother. You got it, man. Best of luck this year. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. All right, now let's wrap this episode up with some No Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by American Express. That's right. Only doing one of these today since we had a good interview. We're just going to pick what sounds interesting.
And we are brothers. We didn't really prank each other growing up, but that's the topic for this one.
I will say this. Mom used to get Cavs tickets if she won the bracket at work. So you'd fill it out for her? And I used to fill it out for her, and that was how I got free Cavs tickets.
Poop dollar is a great one. It's not cool at all.
Take a dollar. A $5 would get them excited, but they actually, they still might keep the dollar.
Yeah.
It's going to take some dirty work, though, so you want to go get some hospital gloves.
Makes it way easier, but if not, just go to the park.
They're going to pass by. Yep. It's going to be enticing. You got to be around, though. So you got to camp out. You got to hide out. You have to be there while they pick it up or you're not going to be as satisfied. Yes.
And you scream, poop dollars! so that'll work that's a good one that's a great one for middle school boys or really boys of any age yeah um man grow men that gets them too i would say another one that we we knew about that we didn't really partake in as much um but um icy hot in the jock strap always works so you can go icy hot in the it's kind of cruel but it takes about an hour to wear off
Yeah, of course I do.
Yeah. Both icy and hot. Nothing icy about it.
Go ahead, tell them. Tell them what happened. You're still thinking about it.
Zero ice to it. Yeah, it can feel a little cruel. And if they don't wear jock straps, I mean, just the boxers work. Yep. Boxers work just as good.
We didn't do a lot of pranking.
You can booby trap them. You can always booby trap them. Get a balloon full of whipped cream or something like that. They open a door. All of a sudden, smacks them right in the face. That takes some good work. You got to be kind of handy with a tool in your hand. Where's she from? South Carolina.
I'm sure they ventured up there.
Yeah, that sounds terrifying.
Yeah. Yeah. Got nothing for you other than they will hate you forever. Please let us know what you ended up doing. We can't wait to hear how you prank these little twin fuckers in middle school. Yeah. So that does it for No Dumb Questions brought to you by American Express.
I won my fight. You didn't. You got suspended, and I got cast tickets.
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You want me to go down lower? Yeah, go lower. I can't do that one. Where are you at? I either gotta go real low. Where are you at?
All right, go. Now you're doing the whole thing?
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Okay. So why did I get cast tickets?
Do you think that's how I got cast tickets?
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Hell yeah. Hell yeah, man. We knew you had... like a ridiculous amount of success in Detroit, but it kind of feels like LA is like where you really, I don't know. I want it. It feels like it's where you kind of made it home, at least on the football field, man.
Yeah.
Hell yeah. I remember coming out of the draft, I was, I had a, what do you call it, where they fly you in.
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I had a top 30 visit to Washington. Yeah. And at the time had no idea what would eventually transpire to be like four out of the, the four head coaches just sitting in like the player positions at the time. And McVay was one of them. And he was the tight end coach. So I spent most of my time talking, talking to McVay about ball. And I just remember him talking so fucking fast. It hasn't changed.
And he's just rambling and he's just ripping them and ripping them. And I'm just like, dude, I don't know how you got me jacked up this jacked up about playing football right now, but you're the only one to do it. It was like, it was him. And like, ironically, Dan Campbell were the two that I was like, man, these dudes are love this shit.
And like during installs throughout the building, like is he just nonstop a hundred miles per hour and just all about ball?
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Outside of that, that organization, everything from the foundation stuff that Kylie does, they both of you guys do to the countless, countless amount of hours and years you spent in that organization, giving it everything that you have. There is, you don't have to explain anything to,
To anybody, as long as the people right here, I know who Jason Kelsey is and I know my brother and what his intentions are. And nobody can ever fucking confuse that. And you can't let these jamokes online make you think that you're in the wrong for what you're saying. What you're saying is I hear it. I hear it loud and clear.
And I think the people in the Philadelphia organization understand exactly what, who you are and what you represent and how you were saying it as well.
That doesn't make you less of a brother.
That's what I heard.
You don't owe any of these dickheads the acknowledgement. You really don't, Jason. Everyone that knows you knows your intentions. Anybody saying anything otherwise is, like you said, just a fucking... Just trying to get a rise out of somebody else.
Yeah.
That's the Jason Kelsey we all know right there. You're giving these people way too much fucking... Too much of your effort, too much of your time, too much of your attention...
It's just life, man. This sport can humble you so fast. It can shoot you to the moon, and it can bury you, man.
I don't think it was an actual fucking game.
Yeah. Listen, man, nobody's, nobody's going to be able to relate to what you or me or, you know, even Kylie, nobody can relate to what it's like to have to pick between, uh, those to like sit this type of situation. That was my whole thing.
Exactly. Exactly. So, but it's, you can still be happy for somebody and you can still be sad for somebody. It is what it is. And that's the way it is. It's fucking football, man. I know I'm saying it like that because I just lost the fucking game, and I'm going to act like it didn't mean the entire world, but it's my third in three years. I've had so much success playing this game.
It still means the world, and it always will, and this one's going to fucking hurt just like fucking Tampa did, and I think about that way too often. But This game is just, you know, it's just our jobs. My life is still beautiful. I come home to an amazing household of family and friends that absolutely love me.
And, you know, that's the beauty of, you know, going through a hard time like this is that, you know, I can still have happiness and still have an amazing time in life even when something like this happens because I got the support that I do. And that's how I'm going to feel about it.
I'm definitely compartmentalizing and, you know, putting this in the back corner, and I'll deal with this at another time. But, you know, I'm not going to sit here and act like the world's over because of this thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I already congratulated the Eagles. I... It was hard going into the exit interviews today. Obviously, the last time I'll see probably a lot of those guys, as it'll be a bit of a turnover this year, knowing the contract situations and everything. And outside of the game, I just wanted to thank my teammates for everything they fucking do, man. You know, the effort, the focus, the...
You look like you're just like... It's your dude. You're allowed to have your world, your legacy, your word. You're allowed to have that. You can be happy for your former teammates. Don't let what happened to me make you feel any less proud of what you've helped build.
Yes, you did. I hear you. I hear you like to think that, Jason. I think that you've shown a lot of people in that building how to be a professional, how to do things the right way. So I can sit here and say that you definitely had a piece of that. I know you weren't in that building doing everything, but I've heard guys like Jordan Malata talk about you.
I've heard guys like Jalen Hurts talk about you. I've heard Lane Johnson talk about you and what you've been to their career. But you can say that you had nothing to do with it, but bits and pieces of who you are still living and breathing in that facility for sure.
I got a garage beer hat on. I've had like three cases since the game.
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I'm here for it. Anthony Mackie as Captain America himself, Cap. It's his story, and he's doing it his own way.
Absolutely. And Cap's a military man. You've got to appreciate that.
I don't know, but I cannot wait to see that.
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The work that we put in, that wasn't the reason, you know? Honestly. Going into the game, I felt as confident as I ever felt in going into a Super Bowl or a playoff game or a big game in my life. And, you know, for a bunch of reasons, that just didn't happen, man. It just wasn't our day. Couldn't find a lick of momentum.
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Yeah, I was about to say you get some more beignets, some more gumbo or what?
This is what made Sheetz and Quick Trip the stations that they are in this world.
I'm kicking myself for some of the tiny, tiny decisions I made on the field, trying to do something more than what I was asked to do during plays. I wasn't the best leader that I could be in motivating my guys and keeping my guys, you know, calm, cool, collected.
I see. That's the thing. I'm in on... I'm out on loogies. Yeah, but the fried... A few fried things.
Maybe throw some cheese on there?
That's unfortunate.
That's fucked up, man. Eating turtles? Hey, man.
That turtle soup was great. What do you eat in them? What do you mean? Do you eat the leg? What do you eat? It was so chopped up. What's in those shells?
Did they just flip that thing open and you just eat it out of the shell? Like the shell was a bowl?
Did you go to any Super Bowl parties or no?
Yeah, that's how they work.
I like my odds. I don't like it when, because then I hate the dealer.
What if the guy was just feeling it?
I get so impatient having to quote-unquote play by the book. I don't do anything by the book.
And I put a lot of that on myself as, you know, the guy that's been in the building for 12 years and seen a lot of football and actually seeing a situation just like this in the Super Bowl, talking about the Tampa Bay Super Bowl. It's a tough pill to swallow, man. Every time we felt like, you know, we made a big player, we got something going. a penalty would happen or we'd be going backwards.
Thank you. Thank you.
And then on top of that, just not executing the play calls. It wasn't the play calls. It was a cumulative effort of everybody just not finding a way to get it done, man. And to happen on the biggest stage sucks, but to have it happen for the second time in my career on the biggest stage, man, it's a tough pill to swallow. It's a hard reality, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
and um you know i just uh i love my my teammates i love my coaches chief's kingdom i'm sorry for for how it ended but you know it's uh you know i have a i have a beautiful life i have a beautiful life man i have um i have loved ones i have the the most amazing family in the world that supports me and everything that i do um and they were all there
Thank you.
I love you the same. You think I give a fuck about this is so funny. I know you're going to read this question. Go ahead.
cheering me on and hoping for the best on Sunday, man. I just have to tip my hat to the Eagles. They were firing on all cylinders coming out, and it just felt like we never had control over what was going on in that game.
This question is for you.
Don't you fucking push Kylie off the fucking cliff. Are you kidding me? I'll be just fine. I'll tuck and roll. I'll fucking hit the ground and fucking roll out of that fucking thing.
I'll flank away to safety. I don't know how the fuck I'll do it. I'll fucking sprawl out like a flying squirrel or some shit. I'll be fine.
i'll figure some shit out but chris farley in uh american heroes this was that the movie oh my god now that's a deep cut right there i love that fucking scene is that what that movie i think it was american heroes right yeah something like that some heroes yeah it was american heroes yeah they were fucking They were racing fucking Lewis and Clark to the West.
That's the last thing that I care about right now.
Ah, that's funny.
No, I think you answered it.
Mom's like 70. You have kids that need to be raised.
I'm going to choose mom because you would want me to push mom.
Oh, man. I wouldn't push either of you. I'd jump off.
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next one no dumb questions hashtag do you put the cereal first or the milk first do i put the cereal first or the milk first and this is this is why we have this fucking segment in here as no dumb questions uh this is about as stupid of a question as i've ever heard everyone knows the cereal goes in first careful tribe be careful what you say Everyone knows the cereal goes in first.
You have to lather up all the cereal. I'm on the same page with you. You don't just pour it in one part of the bowl either. You pour it over the top and you get everything covered in milk.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Yeah.
That doesn't make any sense.
It's not the argument to start.
Thank you.
Nice.
Well, there's only one way to find out. 92 percenters. We will have a poll. So let us know if us or Kylie are in the right. Next no dumb question. What do we got?
Ooh. 10 years from now? Mm-hmm. Who are we rooting for? That's a good question. Initially, I would say that I wouldn't even think about cheering for the Browns. Yeah. But I do still have that childhood Cleveland sports fan fandom in me. Yeah, for sure. And to see how... The situation over there in Cleveland has been – since I've been in the league. Yeah, it's been rough.
I mean, the Tim Couch era wasn't horrible.
I just feel like the organization wasn't looked at the way they're looked at right now.
And right now it's pretty rough. Yep. And – I think Cleveland deserves to get, you know, a year-in, year-out, you know, respectable and great product out there on the field. Now, don't get me wrong. Flacco leading them to the playoffs and, you know, giving them some fun to cheer for last year as the Cinderella story. I mean, that was – I enjoyed, you know, talking to my friends about that one.
One, because it's easy to cheer for a guy like Flacco. What I'm trying to say is there will be the kid in me that cheers for the Browns, but if there's anybody still left from the run that we've had here in Kansas City, I would probably say I'd hope for the best for them.
Yeah, I'm going – I can say the same. Browns versus Chiefs, I'm going Chiefs. Browns versus Eagles, I'll go Browns.
Coach Trav.
I think just Kelsey, not even Kelsey.
Don't do this again. You'd be Coach Kelsey.
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Yeah, it's going to sting. I know everybody wants to know whether or not I'm playing next year, and right now I'm just kicking everything down the road. I'm kicking every can I can down the road, and I'm not making any crazy decisions, but right now the biggest thing is just being there for my teammates.
being there for my coaches, understanding, you know, that there's a lot that goes into this thing. You know, I've, uh, I've been fortunate over the past five, six years, I've played more football than anybody. Yeah. And it's, it's because the people that are in that building and, um, the fact that we keep going to these AFC championships and these super bowls.
And that means I'm playing an extra three games more than everybody else in the, in the entire league. And that's a lot of wear and tear on your body. And it's a lot, it's a lot of time spent in the building focusing on your craft, focusing on the task at hand, every challenge that you set up for yourself. And it's that process can be grueling. It can, it can weigh on you. You can,
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it can make you better and it can drive you crazy at the same time. And right now it's one of those things where it was kind of driving me crazy this year. And I think that it happens as you kind of tail off towards the back nine of your career, as the SVP would say, is, you know, it's –
As you see yourself or not feel yourself have the success that you once used to have, man, it's a tough pill to swallow. And then on top of that, to not be there in the biggest moments, knowing your team's counting on you, man. Those are all extremely hard things to – it's just a tough reality. And, you know, I think I'm going to take some time to figure it out.
And I think I owe it to my teammates that if I do come back, that it's going to be something that it's a wholehearted decision. I'm not half-assing it. And I'm, I'm fully here for them, and I think I can play. It's just whether or not I'm motivated or it's the best decision for me as a man, as a human, as a person to take on all that responsibility.
The biggest thing is that after the game, I still had over 50-something-plus of my best friends and my family and my loved ones and everybody that has supported me throughout my life. was there to, you know, at least make it not feel like the worst day of my life. Yes.
An opportunity to get all those people together under one roof, be around them, you know, hug them, smile with them, find a way to, you know, get through something really, really tough. It definitely made it a little... A little easier, but the reality is going to suck here for quite a while. It's just life, man. It's life. This sport can humble you so fast, man. It can give you so much praise.
It can shoot you to the moon, and it can bury you, man. It can absolutely bury you. And, you know, it's just the occupation we chose, and, you know, not – Not everything can go as planned sometimes, even though we've been able to find a way over the past, you know, however long. But especially this year in this team, we were known for finding a way.
Yeah, man, this is going to be a... a very gotta do it type episode. Obviously after the big loss, this isn't the easiest thing to do. Get on here and talk to the world and especially our 92 percenters who tune in week in, week out and Give us your time. Give us your attention and cheer for us and root us on.
And as much as I like to think we could have done things differently, man, it just didn't feel like at the end of it, it was meant to be. It is what it is.
It's not a very big record.
I have a lot of Super Bowl appearances. So do a lot of people. What do they say? Records are meant to be broken.
No, I mean, I'm still, that's the last thing that I care about right now.
Thanks, brother.
There we go.
What was it like for you watching this one?
Yeah. You tweeted out something.
It was a weird weekend, but I appreciate you guys for all the support I've seen leading up to it and even afterwards. But, Jason, before we get into everything, why don't you let the people know what we got coming up?
Yeah.
Every step of the way.
You made it clear to me.
It's the world we live in, man. Everybody wants to just fucking call people out. I know I always had your support, and I joked around saying with your cheering for the Eagles. Listen, you and Kylie are there in Philly and have created one of the most beautiful – situations that I've ever seen. You guys are loved by the community out there. You guys are very much a part of the community out there.
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BG's ABC's.
Hopefully it helps me with my reading, man. Man, I'm a scrub. I can barely read this damn rundown.
There you go.
No. Yeah, of course. All right. That does it for a little new news, man. Let's let's talk to 2024 Eagles, man. You guys didn't end on a really high note in 2023. So coming into this season, what were the what were the are the expectations always Super Bowl or bus? Or is it just like what were the expectations coming into the season in terms of in the locker room? What were you guys talking about?
Well, I don't know. Sauce is getting his swing right. I don't know if he was the reason why we won.
Yeah, my guy Sauce, he brought it home, though. He brought it home. That's all that counts, man. No, the Bearcats brought it home. And make sure you guys, the 92%ers, subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts, and follow the show on all social media pages at NewHeightShow with one S. Jason, let the people know what we have coming up.
Y'all got a little bigger on the offensive line. You guys did.
What were those first couple practices like with a workhorse like that?
He finished everything in the game, too. You hand him that ball, he's going to find a way to break away. See, people don't understand. When you get running backs like that that know how to train for those big gains, they know they have the home run legs and the stride and the ability to separate once they get to second level. If they take that in practice seriously –
it just translates to the game. And I feel like almost every single game he played, we saw at least one in the second half when he had already ran for a hundred yards. And it was just so impressive. And sure enough, in practice, he's taken every single run to the house. That's,
You have to apologize for any previous shit talking or what?
Well, it's like you're reading a rundown right now, BG. What was the first season like without – There you go. What was the first season without the guys that you came in with? You were the last of the Mohicans, so to speak, with Jason and Flesh retiring in 2023. And you already know, you guys share the same type of... of character and desire to help these young guys out.
All right, now.
What was it like being the last guy from the start that was there to show the guys coming in and to set the culture? Because you need those guys year in, year out. No matter if they're coming from a different team, you got to have those culture setters in training camp and early on in the seasons to be able to, you know, get everybody down in the right way.
What was it like without Jason and Fletch last year?
But, you know. He was trying to figure out what was going on in August. He was doing his own thing.
Let's get it.
Yeah. I got a quick story. My first seven years in the league, we always sat in the back of the plane and it just, it was what it was. You know what I mean? The coaches stay up late. They got to get ready for the next game plan. The plane didn't have like, It was an enormous plane where there were multiple rows of first class.
For whatever reason, my guy Carlos Dunlop comes in from Cincinnati, and he makes his way to Kansas City. At this point in his career, I think he's like a 10-plus, 13-plus year vet. Oh, yeah. Proven, does things the right way, talks to people the right way, comes in and says, what are we sitting in the back of the plane for? Yeah. Man, you and I, we got to say something about this.
I'm too old to be sitting in the back of the plane. We got to go ahead. I'm like, man, listen. Carlos, we can choose our battles here. Right, right, right. That's not the battle. Man, the next week, he talked to somebody in the organization, and the next week, we were all sitting up at first class. This is pretty nice.
Especially when you've got – 300-pound, you know, 6'7", 6'9". Yeah, all these big offensive, defensive linemen, man. Let them at least get a seat they can fit in, man.
I'm proud of him. A lot of strides, man. He gave me fits in the game.
He's got heavy hands, man. He's setting the edge.
Yeah, baby. Appreciate you coming on, dawg.
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All right, let's throw it back to the 2010 NFL draft. Did you always know it was going to be the Eagles?
Nice, man. So you retore it in the game, in the Super Bowl. Man, you're an absolute warrior, dog, for going back out there and finding a way to make it on that field. And congrats again. I know we talked after the game, man, but I can't say enough about how fun it is to play against you because I respect you so much and how much trash talk.
Thank you.
You're always one of the best competitors and you back up your shit talking. And it was always fun seeing you on the field, man. So congrats on a great career, brother.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Here we go.
Everybody had a rough one in the beginning. You're about to have another one right here.
That's hilarious.
Nothing like a good heavy joke.
We know you like them cookies. Oh, you got a little cookie monster in you.
Nice, man.
That's too funny.
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Let's see if you can remember. Yeah.
Sacked him.
New news. BG, give us a little new news, BG. There we go. He's a pro. He's a pro. You can put him anywhere, man. That's great stuff.
You played him a bunch.
Had to. Andrew Luck. Nope. Never got him?
Okay. Okay. All right.
You were the closest one to him?
Boy. There you go. You're on a roll right now. You got all these right so far.
He gets the ball out quick, yeah.
What about another all-time great, Peyton Manning?
Did you get the sheriff?
We got you as, no, you didn't sack him.
The sheriff had to have had some fun trash-talking you back, man.
Eli.
Oh, I was about to say Rivers. He's right up there.
Who's the hardest QB to you've ever had like a chance to like tackle?
Big Cam Newton.
He was a slippery big guy, man. That's too funny. Cam is a – I mean, he's a juggernaut, man. The guy – he could have played any position on the field, let alone how great he was at QB, man. Getting that dude down. I remember watching the first – one of the first games of the –
It might not even have been the first game of the season, but when he was playing for Auburn and how he was running around, I was like, oh, what is this?
It was just like running through, over, around everybody.
Trying to wrap them up, yep. Too funny, man. Yeah. And that was Did You Sack Him? Brought to you by American Express. Pretty good, pretty nice. You were all right. You got a little shaky there, but you did good. You did good. You nailed it.
I was a little.
He didn't Aaron Rodgers. He finally came around to it.
That was pretty good. It's hard. When you got 82 of those things, it's hard.
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Yeah, it's a little more beautiful.
Jason, you can ask this question, Jason.
You can separate it. You can separate it.
Now that you're retired, is Big Dom still on your favorite call or your, yeah, your call list, your favorites list?
You got to talk about your time at Ann Arbor, man. I was actually at one of your spring ball practices as a recruit.
And when I tell you that there was no chance I was ever getting a scholarship to go to Michigan to play quarterback, I was actually in the QB room. While guys like Chad Henney, Ryan Mallett were going over spring ball practices. And man, it felt like every single play was double post to Mario Manningham. It was crazy. I was like, I was just sitting there listening to the lingo.
It was crazy being on those practices, man. The prestige and the history at Michigan, you could feel it as soon as you walked on campus.
Yeah. And was that was that like a huge part of you going to the going to Michigan?
That's cool, man.
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We haven't heard that one yet. Aaron Donald has said that Jason is the lineman he hated playing against the most. Who's the least favorite lineman that you've ever lined up against?
I respect that one.
What was your welcome to the NFL moment?
They don't want to see all that. That's awesome.
Oh, D-Lime, I know exactly what you're talking about.
These kids will never know what the wedge is. These guys will never know what it was like.
Oh, yeah, the old ambush block.
Hopefully it gets back to it, man.
I mean, this was great. Thank you for the stories, man. That shit was amazing.
don't forget to check out BG's book BG's ABC's thank y'all gotta love him man congrats on a hell of a career man I'll catch you up there in Philly or sometime soon on the links man we'll catch up looking forward to it Dude, Brandon Graham. How about that one, baby? What a guy, man.
Dude, the shit-talking stories were fucking epic. The guy can tell the story, too. I can't wait to see what his post-NFL career looks like. I know he'll stay around the game and make sure he passes the wisdom and everything. He's just that kind of guy, man. And Philly, I don't even think they knew exactly what they were getting when they drafted him all the way back in, what is it, 2005?
Nine, ten.
Haha, it's hard. It's hard to stay away from the cookies. It is. All right. Now, before we get into some no dumb questions, I got to make a little statement in the don't believe everything you read kids category or nice realm that you see online. Some false claims were thrown out there that I was doing something in the community that I was not.
You know it.
And I'm not even going to talk about it specifically. I don't want to bring any more attention to that whole nonsense and article and all that stuff. But if you ever want to know exactly what I'm doing in the community, just go to 87 running.org. We're always trying to get out there and get in the Kansas city communities and the Cleveland community. But yeah,
You know, this time I wasn't doing what was falsely claimed by the social channels or the outlets posting all this stuff. So just wanted to set the record straight. Appreciate everybody for always trying to show love, especially Pat McAfee is always trying to look out for the guys in the sports, guys and women in the sports world. And yeah, thanks, you guys.
Anybody been watching White Lotus?
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He just wants to let everybody know he's the child in this. He wants advice to tell his parents on what to do to make him a better golfer, it sounds like.
Well, I mean, I consider myself an average golfer. Well, I would say first thing is probably the thing that you've already considered, and that's get lessons.
Nah, you're right. The rule of 10,000, bud, just pick up a stick and go hit that fucking thing, man.
Dude, just go out there. Every lie is going to be different. You're going to need to, you know... Have a few extra balls in your pocket when you go and play golf the next time. Not so you can cheat, so you can take the same shot multiple times.
That way you're getting used to taking all the different random ass above your feet, below your feet, behind, up a hill, down like the slopes and all the divots and all the different types of grass. There's so many different fucking shots. You're going to be overwhelmed by it. If you just jump into it, but it's going to be, it's going to be fun. I got a good friend right now.
That's actually picking up the sticks for the first time, man. And Demetrius, he was fucking hacking it. He was hacking it out.
But it was funny to see him get into it. Every single shot, after every single hole, he's like, I don't, I mean, you just have so much more respect for, like, the pros. And I'm just like, bro, you are so far behind the wheel in terms of, like, the fucking what the pros or where they started and all this. Like, dude, not even thinking that.
You were going to come out here and hit a shot like a pro. Like, you got to – your swing, you're such a fucking enormous human being. Either way, I'm getting off track. Yeah. The biggest thing is you get out there, you just fucking hack. You just fucking – you figure out, you know, things and watch some – Get on the Instagram. Just start scrolling the reels. Type in golf at the top.
Start scrolling reels. Hear how people talk about golf. If you really want to get good at it, just engulf yourself in the knowledge.
Yeah, there you go.
Engulf yourself. Engulf everything.
Ooh, the P&P.
Driver. Putter.
I can't wait. I haven't played golf with you in forever. I can't wait.
What are we talking about here?
Yeah, that's what they did last year, right?
That's what it was. It was preseason.
Yeah. I'm just – all I'm saying is – I don't think it looked like it. I think you could only assume that where the ball was in his arm, that it may have gotten – but you couldn't tell exactly.
I think there's a lot of people that think you couldn't tell.
Oh, my God. I think I'm two or three episodes behind.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.
Don't tell me. Don't do it.
No doubt. I'll tell you what, man, 15 seasons, 218 games. You shut all those two-time Super Bowl champions, you shut all those fucking doubters up or anybody that had anything to say, man. What made you love football? You got to tell me, you're Detroit guys. You're from that blue collar, that tough area. What was it about Philly that year in, year out made you stick around?
Because it was always, I mean, it was an up and down roller coaster for you. See, year in, year out, you've had multiple different coaches play. pull through? Like, what was it about the city and about this organization that really made you want to be there as an Eagle your entire career?
Electric, love the sound of that, because every other episode's kind of been just like, waiting, I'm waiting.
I was about to say, you're an Eagle favorite for a lifetime now, man. You gave them happiness that they never experienced in their life twice. And you even threw out the first pitch of Saquon the other day. Did you practice before you went up there? Were you throwing the ball around a little bit?
Floated it in there.
Yeah, that's what I should have did. I decided to try and throw a heater.
From the mound. Nobody should ever see that. From the mound, though, huh? From the mound like an idiot, yeah. With no practice. When I tell you I haven't thrown anything since my pick in 2015 to the New York Giants, I spiked it right in the ground, man.
Man, they laughed at you, huh? Yeah, I got my redemption on KC a few weeks after that. I got a chance to go back in KC. So I did it right in KC. But in front of the hometown, I felt like a jamoke.
Zip it. Well, I'm glad you're enjoying White Lotus, and I can't wait to watch it. But season two of The Last of Us premieres on HBO Sunday, 9 p.m. on Max. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey, out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Cincinnati Bearcat alum. First of all, shout out to all the Bearcats down in the NFLPA golf outing that brought it home for the Cats.
I know that was bad.
Yeah, you and Chris Jones.
Let me ask you this. If you could ban one NFL offensive play outside of the tush push, what would you ban?
I'm flanking every day. You know I'm flanking.
I'm sneak attacking the whole time.
I'm very, very sneaky. You got to sneak attack you, man.
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Anywhere in Europe. Europe? Anywhere in Europe, yeah. Europe? Italy, Spain. Ridiculous. Croatia.
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Yeah, I didn't. I'm not going to lie.
I usually like to watch it, especially the online guys.
I watched highlights and watched it through Twitter.
There was a nice one-handed grab. Who was the tight end that caught one ball? I think it was a tight end. I'm judging by his stature and complexion. He caught a ball with one hand, and then he ended up having two balls in his hand at one point.
So, anyways.
It is fun looking up the times.
I mean- The game's moving to more ground and pound.
Running backs weren't going slow.
Yeah, meaning he's shorter.
Yeah. Short, kind of quicker. What are you looking at in these guys, either on tape in college or at the Combine, that is like, oh, there's some talent in the guys?
But what about...
Is there something when you're watching where he does one thing where you're like, oh, okay, yeah, that guy's got it.
Don't worry, I'll make sure my microphone is away from my mouth while I'm chewing. I got those notes last time, guys. Thanks for that. Anyways, before we get to any of that, we're going to get to a little bit of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the least thing I'm worried about.
Trust me. Been there. Fix those snap issues. Least of my concerns. No, I like just watching the way guys move, how they use their hands. I just feel like you watch guys play, and you can tell if you've watched enough guys play and enough teammates who has good core strength, who moves their feet well, who is always in balance. Balance is a big one for me with offense alignment.
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When I see guys that are out of balance, I'm like, okay, he's going to get –
He's going to get off bounds, and then it's going to get like judo thrown. It's like, I think, and I've been there too. I just like watching the way guys move. That's why I do actually think watching the combine, I kind of always like watching, even though I didn't do it this year, because I do think that there is stuff to gain by watching how guys move. I really do.
I think that, you know, Jason Peters just retired, right? Yeah. 21 years, baby. Dude. And now he's working for the Seahawks. Come home, Jason. Come home to Philadelphia.
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Stay in Seattle. You're doing all right. Wherever you're happy, JP. But he was never out of balance. I would watch that guy play. He would jump and he was just always anatomically in the right position to redirect. on top of being enormous and a freak athlete.
But there's just sometimes you watch guys and they're like always on their insteps or their feet are in a certain way or they're bending properly. They utilize their hands a certain way and it makes you just like, oh yeah, I like what I see out of that.
And then you'll watch other guys and even if they're like higher rated guys and it's like, mm, like I like this about him, but like his feet aren't necessarily the fastest or like, you know, he's super quick, but he just gets engulfed sometimes with power because it doesn't look like he has good core strength.
You can take that Amex and buy Audible books, right? I mean, they're synonymous, so they both work in and out.
So I love watching all that stuff either on tape or even at something like a combine. Like if I watch a guy change direction quickly and they have good size and strength, usually they can translate to be good offensive lineman.
Balance.
Balance and body control. It's Jeff Stout in favor right there. Not right now.
It helps when you're 6'9", 375 pounds, doing a lot of it. He's like, man, can you believe he taught that rugby guy how to play football? Oh, yeah, well, he was 6'9", a freak athlete, but he's also 375 pounds with 18% body fat. So, yeah, I can believe he's good at football. Yeah. But still, shout out to Jeff Stalin. Yeah. And Jordan. Yeah, and Jordan. And definitely shout out to Jordan.
See, I actually love watching guys run their 40. I think you can watch a lot about the way a guy runs and be like, that guy's not athletic. I really do think sometimes you just watch a guy run a 40, I'm like, yeah, I'm not interested.
No question. That is one that blows my theory out the water. That guy looked like he was fighting the turf every step of the way. Moving. Angry at that fucking ground. Moving. And it's like, okay, he still panned out. Yeah. But you'll watch some of these guys run, and you're like, man, I don't like the way it looks. And nine times out of ten, it's right, though.
Make it easy for you guys. All right. Travis, we have a playing update, or you have a playing update. Yeah. It has since been announced. that you are playing another season.
Like, when a guy's hunched over running, it's like, dude.
No, not when you're cruising. What? No.
Yeah. No, no. It's different. I don't want to say names. So we did have an idea here from our production team. Events they should add at the Combine. What do you think? Anything, first of all, anything serious that you think would actually be good to add?
Do two things at once?
I mean, I could do it. I just did it. I do think innocuous things. I do like giving a kid, like for a while I was like, we should be having these top 30 guys come in, play pickleball. And I can just tell whether they are competitive.
You want everybody to pop an Achilles and fucking blow a knee out?
That's a good point. That's why they don't do it. But you can tell about competitiveness. I mean, Nick Sirianni very famously played Little Rochambeau.
Ooh.
Right? It's not bad. I think there's better things to figure out.
Yeah, it's like, stupid. Didn't even move his hand. This guy's not into it.
God damn it. You're about to fucking throw a rock. I know you are. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I like these mind games. You're throwing a rock now. You're going to throw a rock, paper, scissors, shoot.
And I did want to say a year ago, I announced my retirement. So we have to address the huge news that you are coming back this year. Is it because you've seen me in retirement? You're like, fuck that.
I can't get him. I can't get him.
I do like little stupid things like that and seeing how they think about things or process.
There's a story that we're gonna talk about in a second.
I'm not giving that up to anybody.
This guy's watched over a thousand hoof cleaning videos on Instagram.
He's dedicated.
Yeah. This guy seems a little bit too simple to me. I mean, how many times are you going to watch a guy scrape a hoof off and stuff it with powder and pack it and wrap it? Every single time. Yeah. I don't think I've passed it up once on my algorithm. All righty. Some suggestions from the production team. How many Uncrustables can a kid eat? What would you gain from that?
One, whether they like Uncrustables. Yeah. Do they have diabetes? Which if they don't like Uncrustables, I don't know that it affects their ability to play football, but it does affect their ability to be like a trustable human being if they don't like them.
I don't trust somebody that doesn't like an Uncrustable.
Well, yeah. Obviously.
Obviously, yes. We're talking peak Uncrustable.
Something about that white bread that they use. All right. There's your free Advertising Uncrustable. Timing for how fast you can delete tweets. I mean... I think they're supposed to be funny. How long... No, take it down, take it down. How long can you speak without actually saying anything? I think we would win that. We'd do well on that.
Nothing. iPhone screen time.
Yep. I don't necessarily need to know how long you're on the phone.
Simon Says is interesting. Simon Says, what would you gain from Simon Says? I mean, it's just a pure power move. Right? I like doing this weird, like Simon Says, a kid says, like, what are your, you play along, okay? Then if you're bad at it, it's on cue.
This guy can't listen. You got to lock in. This guy's not a good listener.
I have not.
Put your hand on your hand, put your hand on your belly, put your hand on your, Simon says, put your, like that? Exactly like that. Wow. That'd be electric.
We gotta get a clip of that. I wanna see what that seems like.
He's like, Simon says, put your hand on your belly. I ain't play this fucking stupid game. I like that guy. Give me that guy. That's the right answer. Podcasting? I'll ask you to deliver an ad read or asking someone. I mean, listen, if I'm being honest, if a kid's trying to podcast, I'm not signing.
Well, that's where I am kind of being serious. I do think that rookies, like, you should... If I had a podcast as a rookie, it would be real bad. Not only would the content be bad, it would have been bad for me. I don't know that I would have made it. I would have been a professional podcaster way earlier. How good they are at trash talking. I actually really do like that one.
Find out what a guy says. You can learn a lot about the way you got trash talks.
I know, I respect that. That's what I'm saying. That's a type.
Stoic motherfuckers.
Men of little words. All right. All right, we didn't gain anything from doing that, so we're going to move on. Three big combine stories.
Colorado, defensive back and wide receiver Travis Hunter says he wants to play both ways officially. That's right. Travis said, they say nobody has ever done it the way I do it, but I tell them I'm just different. I'm a different person. I want to play 100% on both sides of the ball. but it's up to the organization. He actually didn't say, but it's on both sides of the ball.
We put that in parentheses. It was inferred. What do you think about that?
You think he's talking about 100% play
I'm aware he did it at Colorado.
After he just scored a 98-yard touchdown.
Yeah, that's a great point. I haven't thought about that, scheming the other team.
Why are you playing another season? Why are you going to go out there, risk injury? Whoa. and make less money than you could make not playing football.
It's like, all right, we're on a run play, run him off every time.
I'm blown away at his smile.
All right. Well, somebody who does think he can do it is Deion Sanders. Deion Sanders was quoted saying he's going to do it or they shouldn't draft him. Sanders still reporters, I'm going to make sure of it. Don't draft him if you're not going to give him the opportunity to play on both sides of the ball.
Branch did it the other way. He did it where he was on the field all the time as an offensive player, and then did packages on defense.
Yeah, but that's also going to be your heavy play action, take a shot down the field, and maybe you want him out there for that.
Hey, there we go. That's how you get them there. We're going to pay you way less, but you can play both sides of the ball.
Yeah. Travis did say, Travis Hunter, that is, did say that playing both ways is harder than what Shohei Otani does. Bold statement.
Well, we know that physically playing both ways in football is much harder. We know that. We do know that hitting a baseball is probably the hardest thing in professional sports. I don't know what's more impressive. I mean, first of all, I guess Shohei's more impressive because he's actually doing it.
Yeah, I mean, listen, playing both ways would be remarkable.
I can't wait to watch it happen, if it does. I mean, it would be electric. I can't wait to watch and see if it does happen.
Do you think he's better on offense or defense?
What kind of receiver is he? Is he an outside receiver? Is he a guy that can play in the slot?
He didn't run, right? So we don't have the time from the combine.
Yeah, he's got it.
It's one of those where it's like, yeah, I don't need a stopwatch on that.
What's his 40? Don't know.
But I know it's good enough.
He was a 4'7 guy.
I've heard 4'7. There's no way.
the nfl no he was like a d4 player they weren't running at the combine back then your d3 player i don't think they were running running at the combine when jerry was coming out either it was only medical he ran a four six bill walsh said that who the fuck is bill walsh shut the fuck up so bill's probably giving him a friendly time there too
There's only one way to solve this. We need to ask Jerry himself.
Maybe he just was a notorious slow starter. Maybe he just was a strider.
Jerry wasn't a burner. He was a freaking route runner.
Because they were terrified of the comeback and all the other stuff. He was running underneath, and he would, and then go right past them. True. He's a great route runner.
I'm just saying, sometimes you're smooth and it all looks the same.
Dude, didn't plan on the NFL, but very good college.
Last bit of combine news. Sources have told Pat McAfee's show, shout out to Pat McAfee, that Saquon Barkley has signed a massive two-year extension with the Philadelphia Eagles. Nice. 20.6 average per year. That's a million, in case you were wondering. I mean, deserves every penny of that. Yep. $36 million guaranteed at signing. Damn. $15 million available in incentives.
Ew.
I wonder what those incentives are. That's a lot of money in incentives.
Yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are max- values with like, the way I used to be structured with how I'd be like, there'd be playoff incentives, Super Bowl incentives, Pro Bowls, all pros. And then with running backs, usually you'll add in yards.
That's for offensive linemen, it's typically how it happens. It's pretty shitty.
I mean, I always hit mine, so it always worked out.
That's right. That's why you should definitely start podcasting as a rookie. Yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are just like kind of guaranteed ways of the Eagles to be like, hey, we want to pay you this money, but we need, you know, if injuries happen or something happens. We're not paying it. The max value. But he's still getting broke off. I mean, $36 million guaranteed at signing.
That's unbelievable money for a running back in today's NFL. And he deserved every penny. I mean, he proved how valuable, not just how good he is as a running back, but like his big play strike ability. You could tell he was one of the leaders on that team. Oh, that too. I mean, just a great freaking dude. And it probably frees up a bunch more space to sign other guys.
This is typical Howie Roseman chess when everybody else is playing checkers.
All right. Great delivery. I got nothing.
Another off-season news. Sticking with the Eagles. Everyone debating the tush push. Green Bay Packers GM Brian has submitted a rule. GM Brian has submitted a rule proposal to ban the Tush Bush quarterback sneak. I mean, listen, I get it. I would want to ban it, too, if we sucked at it and it wasn't a mechanical advantage.
The only issue I have that I take up with people is people saying it's not a football play, it's rugby. I don't know what's more of a football play. I really don't. What represents football? Physicality, toughness, will. We're going to fight for half a yard. You know what's coming. We know what's coming. We're just going to bulldoze against each other like...
machines made of meat like I don't know what we're it's like completely about football like this isn't I think to some people football is like oh look at this pretty pious concept design like that's not fucking football I just don't understand that's a different side that is this is what football has become this is about pure physicality and advantage for the offensive linemen because we know the snap count when it's coming and where we're going
People want to ban it because, one, some people have a safety concern on the play. They think that it's more dangerous. In my experience, it is not a play that has much of an increased chance of injury on it. Do guys get hurt on it sometimes? Yes, but so does every other play that you run in the NFL. Typically, it's more of a grueling play
The plays where you get hurt are usually like these high-impact collisions or somebody gets landed up on wrong or twisted, and that just doesn't happen that much on that play because everybody's just nosediving forward to try and get as low as possible and push for a yard. Does it suck? Yeah. Is it a fun play to run? No. I mean, except when you get the first down or a touchdown.
But is there an increased chance of injury? I just haven't seen that. In my experience with the play, is there an increased chance of you being fatigued and, like, hating your life? Yeah. But it's worth it for a yard. And then the other thing is I think people just think it's an unfair play for the offense, that they can push. My argument to that is you guys can push, too.
It's not like you're just pushing on the offensive side. Like, you guys can hunker down in there and push and, you know, mass, accumulate mass. Yeah. I don't know. It doesn't feel like teams across the league are as good as the Eagles are at it. So it feels weird to try and ban this play for an advantage that it seems like really just one team majorly has.
In my opinion.
Yeah. Like do we ban, if it's an unfair advantage, like do we ban Saquon Barkley from running with the football? Because that seems like an unfair advantage to me. You know what I mean?
Yeah, or not answer them. Don't really have much else to talk about, so now's your chance.
We're going to be answering a lot of questions.
Dumber the better? Yeah, that's about all I got.
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Well, I think I hear what you're saying. I think, you know, it's hard losing a strip bowl and you feel like there's so many things you could have done better or whatnot. And you kind of referenced it like you could have been whatever. I think don't lose sight of the big reason that you guys are there is because of who you are. You know what I mean?
You're the suave. Take that hat off. You got the suave. I'm not doing that. All right.
Gosh.
I can't believe you haven't started balding. What? We're Kelsey's. I'm balding, Travis. I'm getting thin up there.
No, it's going thin right through.
I don't do anything. I just wake up. I don't do shit to my head.
Jake, I can't wait to judge the food you had at your wedding. I know. Do you know how fired up I would be to go to a wedding that's not? Do you want chicken, steak, or fish?
I don't remember getting the invite.
Well, you know you're supposed to send that stuff to Emily.
It was in the fall. It was during football season. We couldn't go.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, what is that? That's not even like an impressive.
In 86, like that. I mean, I guess it's, actually, it's close to 40 years now.
Travis, come on. It's Jake's wedding. We didn't go to the wedding. We at least got to try the food.
All right, this feels weird eating a fry without ketchup. It is a smash burger, in case people are wondering. I can tell right away from looking at it.
It's kind of unfair. It has been sitting around a little bit, so heavy-handed, we apologize for these ratings we're about to give you. I mean, cold fries, it's just so hard. I can't even rate this.
Out of all the cold fries you've had, where do you- I'll say, for a cold fry, absolute horse shit. I'm just going to be honest. There are certain fries that hold up well with age, and this is not one of them. No. Other fries that do not hold up well with age, McDonald's. McDonald's are great if you catch them right out of the fryer. The moment they aren't hot, they're fucking terrible.
And I think sometimes you lose sight of that when you don't maximize the, you know, the end goal, which is winning the strip bowl. Yeah. So I know you're going to be dedicated like you always are. It keeps getting harder, though. What's your plan? First of all, what was your decision-making process? How does Travis Kelsey go about making big life decisions?
I don't think everybody doesn't know your criteria.
I can tell you that I don't know, that everybody doesn't know because I don't know what your criteria is. Other than white sauces and onions, those are the only two I know.
It's absolutely delicious. Nice. There is definitely a heavy McDonald's taste in this.
I'm not a, oh wait.
I was thinking of In-N-Out. I screwed that up.
It's definitely better than In-N-Out. I think it's probably better than Five Guys too, if I'm being honest with you.
I don't discriminate. I am on a mission to find the best burger. I'm trying burgers all over the place. I love burgers.
There's one in LA called Frankin' It Up. It's just a food truck in Santa Monica or something like that. Yeah, I'm out on food trucks. Well, it's not even a truck. It's just like a guy set up in a residential zone. I don't even know if it's permanent, but the fucking guy makes a great burger. At least after 15 micheladas.
One out of ten. One out of 10, where are you going?
For a cold burger, one out of 10. Those pickles are great. They're very good.
For a smashed burger, nine. It is a really good burger.
For a smashed burger, what it is, if this was warm, I'd be like devouring it.
Cold fries, definitely get them warm.
Can you not just take the onions off?
I do agree. There could be more sauce and more cheese. The bread and dough, actually.
The sausage is really good. The flavors are fantastic. Solid flavors. Does it have red pepper flakes on it?
It's got really good crust. The texture, the dough and everything, they nailed all that.
If it was just a little more robust with the ingredients, it would just really- Really just knock those taste buds out. It'd be right up there. I mean, it'd be real good. I'm going to go 8.2.
I am. I am on a diet caloric deficit, so this food tastes amazing compared to food without fats and sugar.
I relish that about you so much.
I'm also trying to gauge because it's not like right out of the oven. Trying to be a little bit generous. Anticipating that it'd be- Look at you.
That avocado has been sitting out.
It's avocado. It's just been browned because it's been oxidized. Avocado, if you don't eat it immediately, just oxidizes. Are these all the same?
This looks like chicken.
I used to eat flour tortilla. All we ate growing up was flour.
I can't fucking eat flour tortilla. I can do it. Maybe there's a seafood taco. No, I got you. I can't. Eating a flour tortilla now just feels so gross.
No, I'm out.
Flour tortillas?
It's a good chicken taco. Chicken taco, by far, least favorite taco of all the time. Sure, what is this? Do you have like an alpaca? What's that, is that pork?
All right, let's try the carnitas. Jesus Christ.
the more off the beaten trail you go, the better the tacos are. It's just the way I feel with tacos. The more commercialized it is, it's just not as good of a taco. If I'm catching this out of somebody's back of their vehicle that they drive, it's gonna be the best fucking taco I've ever had in my life.
Yeah.
Is that like a real thing or is that like a gordita?
It's not a quesadilla.
I mean, it's hard because corn tortillas should be eaten fresh.
I bet with all this being fresh, these are probably about as good of a commercialized taco as you can get. But the last time I was in LA, I went to the street that Whole Foods is on in Santa Monica. I'll eat those tacos over these any day of the week. Harder to order from. I would say I will give these a seven, eight.
Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go. Just never be tough.
Yeah. Nice.
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I got a nice sweater on.
I had a Jeff cap on too that I had to take off.
No, I took it off because I was trying to be polite.
I don't know. I'm appeasing.
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That's a lot of good names to me.
Yeah, and I think you knew the whole time. I felt like even when I would talk to you, and we didn't really talk pointedly about this, you never asked my advice on this, which I asked your advice, so I feel a little hurt that you didn't ask my advice.
You didn't take my advice.
That's fine, all right. I felt like you always, you wanted to come back. It felt like that from the moment after the game, it felt like that a week after, two weeks, and I was like, oh, he's going to play again. He's not ready to stop. So I think it's the right decision. And you talk about feel. I brought this up on Chuck's podcast. But there's one thing that I very much like.
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I feel like whenever I make a decision or I'm like big time deals.
My bad, my bad. So I'm on Charles and Ernie's podcast. Shout out to the Steam Room. I forget how we got on the topic, but I start talking about like a lot of times, like when I'm trying to make a big decision, I like really overanalyze things. And I think way too hard about this thing and that thing and this thing.
And I'll call you and you have this really good way of not worrying about all these little meaningless, dumb fucking things that I'm worried about. They kind of are these what could be or what ifs. It's like, no, it's just what do you want to do? Do you want to play football or not? Do you want to do this or not? Like.
And I think that nine times out of 10, it's like great advice for me to get out of my own head. And it's helped me before. So I don't know why I'm bringing it up. I just always, I'm jealous of that. I'm jealous that you don't think about things in a way that makes you, what's the word? Bogged down.
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like every great player always feels that way. But you just think about it more now because of the way the season went. So I think there's a lot of other things that compound on that. But how big a factor was losing a Super Bowl in the decision?
God damn it. You're about to fucking throw a rock. I know you are. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I like these mind games. You're throwing a rock now. You're going to throw a rock. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.
If you would have won, would you have come back for another season?
If you want to play, you want to play.
Shouldn't make that be a factor.
Going out on top is nice.
It's not how I did it. I went out crying on the fucking field because I saw Jeff Stalin and was like, man, this might be the last time I ever see him.
Don't overanalyze it, Trev.
You're the king of not overanalyzing.
All I'm saying, people put like the clip up where like Pat's scrambling around and you're just standing there, right? And then he runs and then your guy hits him. Nine times out of ten, everybody else in that situation is going to be standing there too. And I know that's not acceptable. It's not.
And like when I watch myself do that, I would watch myself sometimes the quarterback gets sacked and you watch it on tape and you're like, hey, you fucking idiot. Go over there and help the fucking guy up. Or like, why are you just walking away from your running back? Help the running back up. As a good teammate, you think about things like that.
You ask anybody in that locker room, if you give good effort and who's a good teammate and all that shit, you're going to get a much different answer. Anyways, do you have extra motivation this year going into the season?
I can't get him. I can't get him.
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Did you talk to Andy, anybody? Is there anything else you want to talk about in terms of deciding to play again? What do you guys think you need to do to get back to the mountaintop next year?
And it's just like... Trey Smith just got franchised?
A lot of times they just do that to prevent him going to free agency so they can still keep negotiating.
We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey.
I've said it for a long time, he's one of my favorite guys to watch play. Exactly, he's one of my favorite guys to play with. The mentality that he takes to the field.
Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, they know how to build it.
And you guys had that. I mean, come on now. Blocking kicks to end games, the chemistry was there.
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Jeff Stoutland did it one time, and it was the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen a coach do. It was so funny. All right. One of my former teammates, good friends, and the last of the core four remaining with the Philadelphia Eagles, Lane Johnson, had this to say on Twitter, hate us because they ain't us. Ooh. There we go. Talk your shit, player.
All right now, player.
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Some tribe fan mentions.
The absolute best. Let's start with... With the baseball news.
I mean, I see it a little bit, but I don't think it's like that.
I'm going to let you know what it is. Here's what happened. I've never done a 23andMe, but I can virtually guarantee – There is somebody in a lot of people's like, you know, Genghis Khan. Have you ever heard of this? Like Genghis Khan? There's like a 10% chance or something ridiculous that anybody is related to Genghis Khan. It's something absurd.
Like this dude just like was banging women nonstop. Just being honest. I forget what the brand. Can we find that stat about people being related to Genghis Khan or having like Genghis Khan's genes? It's absurd when you look into it.
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Can we get the Genghis Khan stat?
Quit yelling at me. I'm not yelling at you. You're yelling. Genghis Khan is estimated to have over 16 million male descendants alive today.
That's crazy.
How crazy is that? Approximately one in 200 men globally sharing his Y chromosome. Fuck, that's insane. 0.5% of the global population has Genghis Khan's Y chromosome.
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I want to see if I'm related to Genghis Khan.
And I believe that goes up if you're of Mongolian descent. Historical accounts suggest he fathered many children, both through his marriages and concubines. Sons, grandsons continued the trend, further spreading his genetic lineage.
The claim that so many people are related to Genghis Khan is supported by a 2003 genetic study, which identified a unique Y chromosome haplograph group, haplogroup, yeah, whatever that means, okay, shared about 8%. of men in regions once part of the Mongol Empire. These Khans are getting after it, man.
Yeah.
So I think that there's somebody. There's somebody with one of these Y chromosomes in all the basic white bearded guys that we kind of embody. I think that there's some guy that just had a half red, half brown beard and was just running around with an axe up there.
Like you?
How did they do this? Somebody painted this in your image. This looks like Travis Kelsey. No, it is not. If you had long, wavy hair, this would be exactly what this picture would look like.
So you're Jesus Christ?
Travis, would you ever do your hair like this? This is a good look. This is like an 80s Travis Kelsey right here.
Well, I can tell you almost assuredly someone who, dude, you do, I don't want to gloss over that. The Bee Gees is such a good fucking reference. You look just like that one motherfucker. It's so good. That's great. Living alone in the nightclub. Barry Gibbs. All right, that does it for fan mentions. Yeah, it does. Let's see what SVP's talking about, huh? Maybe get this episode back on the rails.
All right, here we go. Oh, this is awesome.
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He's an eight-time sports Emmy nominee and the voice of the first two days of the Masters. Please welcome Mr. Scott Van Pelt.
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I would buy it immediately. Well, Kevin Smith at KJS underscore four. Yes, the Yankees have a literal genius MIT physicist, Lenny. I mean, I don't know any physicist that goes by Lenny.
Were you better basketball or better pitcher?
Speaking of hoops, before we get into your heralded career as an analyst, we do got to ask, a couple days removed from the Terrapins' exit in March Madness, how are we feeling?
They looked good.
One person.
Lenny, on payroll, he invented the torpedo barrel. It brings more wood in mass to where you most often make contact as a hitter. The idea is to increase the number of barrels and decrease misses. Yeah, we have a nice little picture of this to demonstrate how much bigger that sweet spot and how much further down the bat it has moved. I'm really intrigued about it.
So you're telling me Charlie can be bought. Charlie can be bought.
Something like that. It was either first or second. Yeah, it was that first show.
Oh, that was good.
MCL is intact. ACL is intact. Just MCL.
I mean, obviously, they jumped out to some pretty crazy success.
Man, it was a lot to learn and take in. I think it's so much different. Obviously, we have this podcast trail, but live TV is so much different. We cut so much of this stuff out and have so much leeway to just say whatever we want. When you're on live TV, you got to be concise to the point. You got to make space for people to talk and have a conversation. Oh, yeah.
And part of it is getting to know everybody. Like that's a huge part of it. I really feel like after the first year is just like having a knack for, you know, what the other person likes to hear, what gets them revved up, how to like throw things back and forth. And for me, I just was trying to learn as much. I mean, I reached out to Scott early on. We went golfing.
You're trying to get a lay of the land. What do I expect? How do I prepare? And I'm still learning all that. I watch more football this year than I've watched legitimately in my 13 years playing. In terms of League-wide.
It's like your team and the team you're playing, and you're getting really hyper-focused on those. And I still like watching the game in that hyper-focused, game-plan-oriented focus. It's not feasible to do that online. really in the same way, in the same depth when you're trying to watch all 17 games that happen.
I don't think the main one, Judge, he's not using it. But the guys that did use it, I think, had a number of home runs this last week, if I'm not mistaken. 15 home runs, to be exact. Well, I guess it's just Yankees. So which one of the Yankees are using them?
We grew up, it was the pinnacle of football growing up. It's still right there. We're in the league. Guys are looking forward to, like, man, we're playing on Monday night this week. You better get ready, boys. Prime time. Everybody's watching, right?
One of the things I really just – I consider myself really lucky is not only was I with you, Scott. I was with Swag. I was with Ryan, RC. Everybody was more than willing to help. And just like a teammate, they were the veterans. And I could tell, like, you know, we're in the middle of the desk. We're in the middle of the show. And Ryan's like, yeah, what do you think about that?
Like, he's like, all right, it's your turn to talk, idiot. Like, get going here. I'm like, all right, I got you. So it's – I don't know. It's really fun looking back and seeing how everything evolved over the course of the year, how much closer – everything got and looking forward to this next year for sure. I think it's going to be awesome.
We don't have that information.
That's it. Travis, give us your best to 14 right now.
Yeah, which apparently, according to baseball experts, not that hard to smoke the Brewers. A lot of Brewer hate going on these days.
I'm intrigued by it, though. I mean, the science adds up. I mean, Lenny, Dr. Lenny might be on to something. We'll see what's in the future for the torpedo bat. Ongoing investigation. It is a legal bat that does adhere to the parameters of Major League Baseball. And what is he determined to be a legal bat? I'm really interested in seeing how this plays out.
All right, now here we go now over to 14.
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Thank you.
Jake, we're going to task that with you.
I feel like you'd be able to figure that information out.
I mean, we don't even know if it's good yet or not, but yeah, I mean, I think the bat Barry used was fine. What's better, regular bat with copious amounts of steroids or no steroids and a torpedo bat? I'm taking steroids.
I'm changing the channel if somebody gives me a 14 call like that. Immediately. That was poor. That was poor to bad is what that was.
Dr. Lenny, we want the – Can you figure this one out for us? What's a bigger advantage? Anibal? I don't even know what a real steroid's name is.
I just missed opening day at the park. I might have to catch. I mean, listen, we just had a baby. Yeah. Are you trying to show the niece? Do you want to show, you want to see your new niece?
That's awesome. Getting a lot of knowledge dropped on us right now. I love it.
Trying to figure it out for what? Two years now, basically.
The Tiger too, right? Didn't Tiger pass on?
A thousand percent. I think golf in general, it's such a sport that's rooted in history. And when you go to a lot of these older venues that have so much history to them, that is there in the back of your mind in itself.
what the masters has at the same time is not only does it have that history but it's every little meticulous thing is just done in a way that i don't know makes it feel just ridiculously special sure to every single person and even like the person serving you beer to the the person you walk by in the clubhouse or whatever they all just make every single person feel
Come on, Kai.
feel so special that they're at an unbelievable place and we're all taking this in together and it's it's just such an awesome place because of that feeling I feel like
Ooh, look at that. Oh. Hey, little muffin. Look at you.
Bubba Watson, dude, that is still the most iconic shot I've ever seen in my life. There you go. I have no idea how that lefty hooked that thing that much.
Trav says hi. Hi, Trav. Do you want some? I gotta go next to him. Hey, Trav.
I might just say screw you. I want to go so bad.
Jason, just bring the baby. Come on. Travis, that baby is surviving off of mom.
I've tried, and I've failed.
I'm just going to mosey on down. It's just going to be a day.
Just go down, right back. Right back. Yeah.
Yeah.
I already tried floating it. I was like, you know, I'm – Like, you know, a lot of dads, you know, they got jobs, they got to work, and they can't, you know, I just feel like, I'm just going to be one day, and then I'm right back. And then I don't have anything else, you know?
It has not gone well. It has not gone well so far. I'm sweating just thinking about this conversation again.
That's what I'm saying. That's all we're focused on, too.
Come on, Trev.
Isn't it cool?
You're good. If you're shooting something that starts with a seven, you're a good golfer.
Right?
What would you rather have? Would you rather have the guy sandbagging it or undershooting it?
Let's go back to when you started ESPN. How about that?
Joined in 2001. How old were you when you first joined at ESPN?
Finley Ann Kelsey.
There we go.
What was your first day at ESPN like? Do you remember?
Finn Ann. That's adorable.
I love it. Congrats, guys. Should we ask Finn a question? Finn, Finn, come here. She said sneeze. All right, go ahead. What do you want to ask?
That's so mean.
Yeah. Holy cow. I mean, that's a heck of a switch up.
Australia, Maui.
Huh? How was Kylie's uterus?
Speaking of an adjustment, like going from the golf channel where you're obviously just doing golf, then all of a sudden you're doing all this stuff. Was there anybody at ESPN that kind of showed you the ropes and taught you, I don't know, how to now cover everything?
All right. Enjoy. Love you. Love you, too.
Oh, she's sad. She wanted to stay and see Uncle Trev. Not gonna lie. Listen, babies are awesome. They don't do a whole lot for like the first six months.
It really doesn't get that exciting until they start smiling and like giving you something. I mean, it's amazing. Watching a birth is still one of like the most crazy things that you can ever witness. And there's a moment right when you see any baby. I feel like that's just like overwhelming.
Yeah, that's probably my favorite one.
So you just talked about LeBron has obviously changed or still in the same space with you. You've been in the sports world for a long time. How have you seen athletes change? Has interviewing athletes gotten better or worse?
I love it.
She can't really do much. Right around the six month mark. That's when it's like, Benny right now, Benny's right a little bit over two. She is a lot of fun. I mean, she is a spitfire. Doesn't even know when she's being offensive. It's the best.
there's a whole way they talk too. That's like mesmerizing. Like the, the verbiage they use and there's like half of them are, aren't even Americans, right? Like they're Canadians or they're from overseas and Russia or whatnot. And there's like, there's slang to it.
Yeah, that'll be good. That'll be good timing for you.
Football news.
Thank you.
They did this on like a stage.
Thank you.
Was it too hot to go outside?
I don't like this. They're taking this way too serious now.
It's like professional grade. All right. Oh, there was a storm. There we go. I got to keep reading. So it was raining. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Good choice, guys. Good choice. Good choice. Nice. All right. So instead of naming all the coaches this year, we are going to be tasked with naming the one coach missing.
Thank you. Thank you.
Looking forward to that.
Thank you.
All right. Who is missing from this photo? I feel like we're playing like Where's Waldo. All right, so I guess I'll start. How do you want to do this? Do you want to do conferences?
Oh, okay.
We got the NFC East. We got Dayball, Sirianni, Dan Quinn.
Schottenheimer's there.
Dude, who is this guy? I have no idea who that guy is, sorry. Duvall's there. Is he? Taylor's there. Nico's there. Gosh, dang it. Todd. I have raves.
Do you have a favorite sport to watch?
Who the fuck is this guy? Shanahan's there. Man, every year I feel like there's another guy added that I'm just like, I don't remember.
Just tell us to fuck off. This is where you just tell us to fuck off. Fuck off.
Complete honor to have you on, Scott. Thank you so much.
You're the best.
Scott Van Pelt, everyone.
This is fucking gold, man.
Who's this Seattle coach now?
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It's a very weird question, M. I'll wait for you to answer first. What would I want to be detachable?
That's what I was thinking, too. You can right away.
You're going senses.
There's some manis in the area. You don't want to have to smell that.
Ears or nose. Ears would be nice. You're trying to get some shut-eye, trying to go to sleep, just take your ears off.
Sleep tight.
All right. I'm just going to throw it out there. I mean, if we're being honest, it usually just gets in the way. Jason. I mean, it's an inconvenient appendage at times.
And we're positive there's somebody missing.
I feel like it's a one-stop shop. I think it's all the same appendage.
I don't think that's how it works.
If you could just take it all off, I mean, it would eradicate. I mean, it just gets in the way sometimes. You know what I mean? Like, if you're running... You got to think there'd be less friction without that in between your legs trying to play sports, right?
And then I feel like you could take, I mean, let's just be honest. If you can detach it, that means you could probably attach an upgraded one. You know what I mean? You could go bigger. Assuming it's like a universal connection point, I could attach another one.
due to the storm storm due to the storm was that a hint no that was that was just the weather that was just the weather so this was in florida somewhere no i'm not that clever are all the florida coaches here yes atlanta who's god damn it who's aaron glenn coaching for now aaron glenn is coaching the jets who's who's atlanta's head coach
Is it like the iPhone charger where they went to all just USB-C? We're going to one standard connection, whatever thing those are called.
They're hilarious.
I thought one of the things is we're asking perplexity these questions.
What is the best body part to make detachable?
What is that, Futurama, where the heads are detachable?
Not a bad idea. I wouldn't mind that.
Why would I make my dick detachable? I can just make my head detachable and put it on somebody with a bigger dick.
All right. All right. Perplexity wins.
What did dad used to say? You'd lose your dick if it wasn't attached. I think it's what dad used to tell us.
Maybe that's why I thought of this immediately. You're right, dad. I don't want it to be detachable because I would definitely, I would lose that motherfucker.
My fucking dog would eat it. I'd find it. Balloos got it in his mouth. Jason Kelsey. Balloos gone. Dick is lost in a vat of chili. Yeah, you're right. We don't want that to be detached.
Yeah, I'm not responsible enough to have a detachable dick.
Thanks a lot, NIL. Thanks a lot.
It's going to come down to the Houston and Duke matchup.
Oh, I mean, if it's 181, whoever wins that game is probably going to, I guess it depends on who their other Final Four team is and then who, yeah, that.
Yeah! Somebody's going to win it.
This is still anybody's game. I mean, these points are close.
Oh, my gosh. Raheem Morris. There it is. Jason, you won.
my average height of roster is paying off.
Yep, I had UConn and South Carolina. Well, we'll see.
It's the best. It really is. You got to love it.
Great TV happening, live sports happening all day. We're in the tail end of it where it's only at night now, which kind of sucks. But these are the best games, too.
You know it.
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I get it. I get why certain teams want to ban it for competitive reasons. I get why some people think that it's potentially unsafe. I think optically it looks unsafe. It's football, man. For me personally, I never felt like there's that much more of a risk of injuring somebody on the play, and I don't think there's any statistics to back that up. So anybody saying that it's –
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going to lead to more injuries is pure conjecture, not rooted in fact. I think the only argument I see for potentially banning it is, is there a competitive advantage? Is it unfair that players can push and should we allow players to push rather than ball carriers or anybody to have to do things on their own? But, I think that's going to be a hard rule to enforce. When is that enforced?
Are gang tackles outlawed? Are open field like when Big Creed Humphrey gets behind a running back and he's pushing the pile forward? Do we not want that? Because I like that. No, because that's football. Yeah, I think it's hard to know where do you stop – this from occurring. You can't just say like, Hey, you can't do the tush push. That feels like a hard rule.
Like it needs to be a rule that's enforceable throughout football. Although they do let defensive players push D lineman on the tush push. but they don't let that happen on field goal. They did outlaw that because that was leading to an increase of injury.
Yep.
Yeah.
just from like the health aspect is like people see people misusing my quotes. Like the place sucks to run, but it sucks because of like an exertion, like an energy level. It takes so much to try and get a yard.
It's not a high impact collision. There's not for the most part, people don't even get rolled up on because you're keeping your feet moving. It's not going to be a play in my opinion, where you're going to see this huge increase in chance of,
risk of injury it's just not so i don't think it's really that dangerous from a health perspective and i don't listen i've done no studies other than anecdotally what i've been through but typically injuries happen when guys get rolled up on because they're locked out in blocks or there's a high impact collision that occurs and neither of those happens on a play like this it's that's so tight quarters it just ends up being like you're just pushing against each other
You know, I get it. I mean, it's a play that some people don't think represents football. I disagree. I think it represents football really well. Some people think it's more of a rugby play. But when we have, like, a guy who played rugby, like Jordan Milata, he's like, it doesn't have anything to do with rugby. It's physicality. It's intensity. I think it perfectly represents football that I like.
You know, but at this point, I mean, I'm tired of – the back and forth with it. If you're going to ban it, just ban it. It ends up being a topic every single year before the tush push was allowed and we started doing it. We just used to do regular quarterback sneaks and was still a high rate. So I don't think it's going to really change the Eagles approach that much.
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They are going to keep doing this because it is a higher percentage with the push, but it isn't that much more like the Eagles just generally are good at quarterback sneak. That's why they execute this play at a high level because they're good at that first.
If they take this play out, I still think the Eagles would be really good at quarterback sneaks because I think Jeff Stoutland coaches it well, and I think they have good players to execute it. So I'm kind of over the back and forth of it. Do whatever you're going to do with it. I think the health thing is kind of a bogus claim that people are using that just want to get it banned.
I can see that for sure.
The fairness and competitive fairness to the defensive side, I get the argument. I just don't know where you draw that line at. One of the quotes I saw was like, I'm most concerned for the center. I was like, yeah, I get it. I mean, it sucks. It is a grueling play because of the amount of exertion. It's less of like a grueling play of like being blindsided, like cold cocked.
And it's more of a grueling play of like, you got to take a shit and it just won't come out. And you're just squeezing forever until that thing comes. That's what it's like. That's what's grueling about it. It's like, ah! I mean, I think everybody's been there. That's more of the grueling nature behind it, the exertion that I'm talking about.
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Watch out. That'll get you kicked off the team. Why don't you tell the people what we got coming up, dude?
That's what happens, for sure. That's hilarious.
Oh, yeah, they're definitely pros.
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All right, I think it's time to bring on our guest. This has been long, long waiting. Oh, yeah. And we're happy as hell to get you. Jason, why don't you do the honors and give them the intro?
I think down here he actually comes with a band. I think it's like a whole thing.
Has Newman High School got a good marching band or what? Yeah. Yeah.
Let's start off with the Pro Bowl, man. You guys went head-to-head down at the Pro Bowl. Yeah. And, yeah, Eli. Got the three-peat. Yeah, you got the three-peat, dog.
And I'd be a game changer in that game for you, Peyton. You know I would.
New Heights took the gold in the best sports talk category in 2025 on the Sports Podcast Awards. Wow. Yeah. Gold medal, baby. Are we even sports talk?
Does every – like Manning get a chance to throw the pill? Are they just like – it's just in them to be able to huck it or what?
The kid in me is so jealous of Marshall, man. That is such a cool opportunity for him to go out there and have some fun with the gang. I'm sure he's absolutely living it up, man.
Code 45266. Baby, that's all we need.
Oh, it'd be lateral central if I ever got the chance to...
I think that's what sports talk is. Nice. People listen to us because of sports, though, right? Like half of them. Nice. Well, thank you guys over at the Sports Podcast Awards. We accept your gold. Do people deny gold medals? I might. I know you would. But this one you accept.
You were just talking about the big field goal kick you guys got coming up here. Gronk has missed it two years in a row, I believe. Are we feeling confident we can at least get one up and over?
Oh, I like it.
I cannot wait to see this, man. Jason actually had a similar experience where he got to respect the kickers a little bit as well, trying to kick a field goal on college game day in front of Pat McAfee, man. It was classic.
Yeah. Well, you chose to wear the boots.
Timberland. Great job, Timberland.
I mean, it seems like a legit award. They have a cool logo. Sometimes that's half of the battle right there.
Well, you, you always got the best advice, big guy. I remember, uh, Get my first shot at SNL and getting the text from you to just enjoy the ride, man. I love I appreciated that. That made me feel so much more at home knowing that you believed in me to have fun and to do it the right way. So I appreciate that.
Well, it worked.
But Eli, you actually had had you had somebody come up to you at the Pro Bowl and tell you that he was actually in the Manning camp. Yeah. Wide receiver from Atlanta, right?
Nice. Thank you, guys, over at Sports Podcast Awards. Jason, why don't you tell everybody else what else we got?
That's crazy, man. You guys have been doing it for a while, man. Me and Hodge have a similar story. I was actually recruited at Tennessee. David Cutcliffe was working me out, thought I had some potential to be a football player, not to be a quarterback. So Tennessee never offered me. But, yeah, eventually made the transition over.
Exactly. No, that's awesome stuff you guys do with the young guys, man, and always paving the way for the future, man. That's always good stuff. Thanks.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Two-time winner. Two-time winner.
Yeah.
Am I the first to? Oh, in the charity challenge. Nice.
We got to lock in. That's too good. Eli, you got one for us?
I still don't remember the first half of the one that I was in. I have no idea. I remember we started the game down 10 in my mind. I'm just like, how did this happen? Where did this? I'm eating more now than ever. Travis, you've been running the wrong plays for the first entire half.
Okay, I see where you're going.
I think the charity will thrive more if I win the Super Bowl.
Yeah.
I love it. When you're a dome team, baby, that's good shit right there.
It would spread so badly.
It was just swamp ass, huh?
You bear trapped me. That son of a buck. No, and that money will be directly injected into the city of Kansas City. So thank you guys for all voting online. I'll make sure that... Everybody over 87 and running does some good work with the money.
So good. All right, let's get off the centers and get on some tight ends, baby. You guys both played with some great ones. Jeremy Shockey, my guy Dallas Clark, absolute legends, man. I remember coming in and wanting to be like Shockey. He was such an energy. He looked like a force to be reckoned with every single time he played the game.
And Dallas Clark, I mean, his fearlessness over the middle, Peyton. I don't know how many times I saw you guys throw a bender and cover two, and he just went up there and just got smoked for the team. Wow. He's just no gloves on, just going up, just running through a wall for a guy.
I had to ask, though, what do you think it is about tight end and quarterback relationship that really gets the best out of the offense?
Shout out to Shockey, baby.
Even in Cleveland. Back in our hometown.
I'm not running the wrong route. I'm running what the quarterback wants me to run. It might not be what's on paper. He might not even know he wants you to run it.
Let's do it. Let's do it. Nice. Jason on the call at the Pro Bowl.
On a wide stick. I would not have. Yeah.
Last bit of new news. We got Jason in the booth over there in Orlando for the Pro Bowl watching the flag football game. That's right. How was it, man? How was it on the other side of the Pro Bowl?
we'll uh we'll get to our last segment here it's called we gotta ask but you don't have to answer you guys can tell us to fuck off if you guys don't want to answer these but it's always fun man uh we close all our convos with this segment and uh i'll get to the first one who got into the most trouble growing up and you guys can even even throw uh cooper into this yeah definitely coop
That's because I was such a good artist, Jason. I won a contest. That was besides the fact. But, yeah, it was cool seeing Cooper up at the Super Bowl opening night last night. Was he in the marching band growing up? I mean, he wore that outfit pretty goddamn good.
That's a lost talent right there.
Okay. You got our band geek all fired up over here.
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Well, you guys got the formula. You guys got it figured out. Arch Manning is having an unbelievable start to his college career. But also, I remember I saw you guys playing knockout on TV when I was a kid, and I was like, I'm brother and right, because that's exactly how me and Jason played knockout growing up. Let's keep this thing moving, though. Who has the most buns career stat?
Eli with the most career fumbles or Peyton with the most interceptions by a rookie?
It was a tough thing to even be a part of, to be honest. It was tough to be a part of.
I would agree. It's because of Sean's sweaty ass.
You're not lying.
That's awesome, man. I'm so intrigued in that. I'm definitely going to be dialed in. Fuck yeah. If you were both playing college football today, who has the higher NIL deals?
So good.
I think it has a lot to do with the culture in KC. I haven't seen that. Our number one pick, Xavier Worthy, has been nothing but the hardest worker on the team. He's just spent every single day grinding it out, trying to figure out ways to implement himself in the offense more and get better at the things that Coach Reed asked him to do.
So I definitely haven't seen it in the rookies we've got, at least, but... Yeah. Who knows?
And that's what it kind of felt like when you were playing in it.
I'm with you. Nice. Well, last question. Hypothetically, if there had been an official Manning Bowl, who would have won?
I had a pretty good time, I don't know.
One guy. There'd always be one guy.
I hear what you're saying, Peyton. I had lost a Super Bowl going into the game that we had. So I just had to make sure that Jason –
Don't give it away. Don't give it away.
You got millions of dollars. I want the MVP to get the free car. It's like, yeah, well, I won the MVP. You still have to pay for the car. So anyways, what they're doing now, I feel like... The taxes on a Genesis aren't as low as you think they are. So... Shout out to Genesis. Yeah, shout out. Shout out to the Red Rocket, man.
One of my favorite coaches of all time, baby. I'm right there with you, brother. Well, fellas, thank you guys for your time, man. The Mannings have came through, man. One good brother to another, man. We love you guys. Thank you guys for leading the way, doing things the right way, and always lending a helping hand, man. We love you guys, man.
I can't wait to see this field goal kick.
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All right, Jason, dive in.
I think there's two for your right and left hand.
I'm not eating that, no.
Chicken and sausage. Another reason why I'm not eating it right there.
I'm not a sausage guy.
No. It's just a whole, like... The way you ate that was disgusting. That's fucking delicious. Oh my God, that sound. It's so good. What the fuck was that like slurp?
I mean, you didn't hesitate one second. You went back for like...
Yeah, I'm not here to kill anybody.
Other way, other way.
I was going to suck.
Shout out to Afro Man.
It is correct, yes.
I feel like they should do dodgeball with footballs.
The L's always get you.
It's like cursive.
They don't even teach the kids anymore.
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I don't know if this is the Super Bowl talk everyone wants to hear. The largest number that can be represented in Roman numerals is 3,999, which is written M-M-M-C-M-X-C-I-X. Well, there you have it. We're going to have to ban Roman numerals at Super Bowl 3,999 because good luck selling that merchandise.
No. I'm going to stay true to those, particularly the second half of those games. Try and start this one nice and fast.
No, like a full-on the Duke.
Typically, it's like 15 minutes. It's not that much longer. It's 10 minutes more.
Make sure everybody knows. He at halftime is the Uncrustable. Get you an Uncrustable, a Capri Sun, and go ahead and enjoy yourself.
You know what? Selfishly thinking, yes. But in the grand scheme of things, people do like structure and people do like to – Kind of be under, you know, some sort of regimen. I think it helps guys in their first couple years or at least it did in my first Super Bowl to just relax, understand this is how much time is going going on. And it gave me something to do that I stretch the next time.
How bad do you want to win?
No, but I, you know, I understood what I was capable of doing at that point. I understood the system. I understood like what was happening. It was, I was more familiar with the, yeah, the entire Super Bowl system. So it's just like, I didn't do a lot of the stuff I did my first year.
I can't throw anymore.
You'd be able to get this thing all the way back there and just come down.
But to answer your question, I think over the last four Super Bowls that I've been to, I am at a completely different place now. as a leader. So I feel like getting everyone comfortable is my biggest thing. Because I'm going to go out there and I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to play my style of football because I'm confident in where I've been and how I've gotten here and things like that.
But we got a lot of new faces that haven't been in the Super Bowl yet. And I'm sure it'll hit them like it hit me my first really two Super Bowls. And it'll surprise them how emotional it'll be. So trying to weather that storm and make sure they feel comfortable. And the biggest thing, man, is if adversity hits, man, band together, man. This is a team sport, brother.
You didn't get here alone and you got guys fighting right there with you.
We're just making sure everybody feels comfortable and not letting the moment get too big, yeah. That's going to be my biggest, like, concern is just making sure everybody feels comfortable in playing our style of football, man. I think we're playing the best team that we've played yet, and it makes sense going into the Super Bowl.
I think offensively, defensively, special teams wise, both teams match up really good. And at the same time, you know, I got all the confidence in the formula that we've had under Coach Reed and just how we do things in KC. And I just, you know, I believe in the guys next to me. And if we play our style of football, man, we're going to put ourselves in a good situation.
Yeah.
It can either make you timid or make you way too ballsy.
It's like, oh, this is the biggest game. I got to be great. I got to go do something crazy.
I've done both. I've done all of these.
Yeah. I knew exactly what it was because. Yeah, you were probably with him. Well, yeah, I'm in a few different group chats with him. And everybody was like, Pat, what the fuck is going on in Dallas? Yeah. Obviously, a Dallas kid and grew up a huge Dallas sports fan. It's been at countless games. We were actually at a game, and I got to say what's up to Luke. We talked about it on the show.
Did Pat say what's wrong with what happened? I'm pretty sure nobody knows exactly what happened other than the GM. Um, even Mark Cuban came out and said, I was listening to my God, Jan Parsons talk about it. He said, yeah, I don't have any idea what's going on. It's still up in the air on if it was the good move, the right move to make. Uh, did you see what was the, what do you think?
What do you think the equivalent? Well, you don't even watch the NBA, so I got it.
Who's in the number one seed for the East?
You're right. They are struggling. It's the team that honored you and gave you a jersey that you sat courtside at, Jason.
Damn it. Go Cavs, baby. It's our year. Let's go. But at the same time, yeah, that tweet and everything kind of got confusing, but Pat's good. Pat's all good. He's not actually sick. He's healthy. All right, let's fucking go. I can't wait for this Sunday, man. I'm so freaking fired up.
If it wasn't for the Mannings getting me fired up talking about the National Anthem or Jason talking about how he'll be happy if the Eagles win. I am so fired up for this game. I love it. And I just want to relish in these moments, man. I've been waiting all year to fast forward to this game, man.
You already know it's Chris Stapleton. There's just no one even close. On a sad day, I will put that video on. I'll go to YouTube.
I never looked at it like that. Chris Jones cried too, to be fair. I cried, but I kept my composure. Yeah. But more so, Chris did his thing in one of my favorite performances ever. Yeah, it was very electric. Nice. Well, let's get to our last food review.
No, but I am. What?
No, I'm not allowed to eat this, Jason. But for the sake of the show, I will eat this.
I'd fucking offer him one and see what happens.
It's the closest one.
The cinnamon blind.
Glazed cinnamon roll. There's a little bit of like a minty frosting in there. It's not your typical frosting. There's something in the frosting for sure.
You think it's minty sprinkles? I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting zero mint. It tastes like something from Philly, to be honest. Like something I would get at Wawa's.
I'm giving it a good seven.
I was going tasty cake. It's kind of like a tasty cake with frosting. It's a good loaf of bread, for sure. Good bake, good bake. Yeah, good bake. Good rise on it. Where are you going? I went seven out of 10. It's no tasty cake honey pie.
Did you? Did you? Did you know?
You just read it. Cheater.
This is my crib tonight. I will eat all of those.
That's my kind of shit right here.
These are fucking, these are good beignets. Dude, it's just a funnel cake in a donut fashion. I can get on with this. One more week, Travis.
One more week. Get me out of there. Get me out before it's too late.
I feel like I'm wearing it.
You already have white in your beard, though, so it just blends.
I can't wait till my beard is fully white. Dude, it's almost there.
You're going to be Tim Allen and Santa Claus in like a year.
I love it. Shout out to Dan for the secret, to the secret to animal candles. Yeah, it was the best. Was it cold around the park? The last time that I went down to Orlando for the Pro Bowl, it was actually freezing.
If you guys caught that, that was a good one. Dude, if you become Santa Claus, you got to invite me to the North Pole. I got to go. Because if it's anything like the movie with The Rock.
Out of 10. Out of 10. We got to rate it out of 10. I'm going to put... I'm going 9 out of 10. The bread was a little, but it's probably just because it was baked in the morning and we're eating them now.
I mean, if I'm looking at myself in the mirror, that's pretty damn good. Yeah, it's pretty solid. I will say that they couldn't be me because I would never be seen with that fucking hat on.
Top hat? I remember wearing a top hat.
I do remember that. So I got caught in my own lie. I enjoy wearing those. But only in front of 80,000 people.
Thanks. It's always scary. Have you ever came across like a really like... Travis, we are the most generic white looking people on the planet.
You're a where's Waldo, dude. I could take that salt and pepper beard out of fucking anybody. I look like... I could take one good look at those tits and know exactly who it is.
I remember Jonas Valanciunas.
From Lithuania, getting drafted in the NBA. And I was like, holy shit, I'm Lithuanian. I mean, we're not far off. It's close. I mean, dude, you can't tell me that I don't have Lithuanian in my blood. Eastern Europe?
It's Slavic for sure.
True American mutt.
You get real swampy down there.
We actually don't have any clue what we are on dad's side because he's the only one that didn't get the 23 in me or whatever. It's true. It's true. We got to get that out of him. He just always says he's American.
There was no question.
Are you a time traveler? I have some Marty McFly's, but that's about as close as I get to time traveling.
Ooh, man, I'm trying to see some dinosaurs. Trying to figure out how the fuck they made those pyramids. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I really don't feel that bad about my Super Bowl. I lost to Tom Brady.
All right. Let's get to this next one from Tati. I need to know the history behind this picture. We don't know the fucking history. I played football for a living.
Look at that dude. I'm fucking doing curls with Travis Kelsey. That's a Pro Bowl center right there. And he's only two years younger than me. That's a Pro Bowl center.
Look at that head of hair.
You got to get that outfit, dude.
I was not in when we were kids, though. Took me to become a man.
I hate you for making me look at your bars. I fucking hate you, dude. I didn't want to do it, man. All right, let me get out of this fucking thing. Thank you for the picture. You guys want to do a voicemail? All right, let's do one voicemail.
To get on the Millennium.
Are you kidding me? You're going to fucking laugh at that? The fucking psychopath? These are fucking dreams from your childhood that you built up and you lose them. That was harsh. To answer your question, the losing team, they both have parties. And the one I lost actually was COVID year. So we just jumped back on the plane and went the fuck home.
The Millennium. I used to have nightmares about the Millennium. I think that's... Maybe that's why... And I always... You always loved going on it. It's the best.
And I thought about jumping off the plane, honestly.
Shockey, man. I was on a Shockey for a good two years.
I still do. I still do, Jerry. I got to meet you with Shockey, man. Fuck. You've never met Shockey? Dude, he's literally the only one. I haven't caught him at any of the NFL events.
I'm pretty sure he's hanging out around Miami football. He went to the U, so I think he helps those guys out and just enjoys South Florida.
Yeah.
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I mean, it's hard to argue that one.
You see how he lets it build?
After love.
I finally went on it. I went on all the roller coasters and then finally was like, all right, I'm going to do Millennium Force. This is like when I'm in high school or college.
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maybe even when i was in college but yeah i um when you get to the top of that thing because it's right on the lake it's on lake erie and uh san andusky ohio it's beautiful picturesque by the time i got on there the sun was going down and it the everything was kind of shining off of the water and i felt like the whole thing was just going to fall into the water when i got up there i blacked out yeah it was terrifying that's a bad feeling and then i overcame my fear yeah and i didn't black out
Dude, that's how hockey was for me too.
I didn't ice skate.
Dad literally just threw me out there and then pushed a cane at me. He pushed like a walker at me, like an old person's walker. That always worked for us. I used it to get up and then he was like, do a lap. Yeah. I was like. All right. And then by the time I was – And then by the time you're done with the lap, you're feeling great.
I tossed that kid over there. I was flying around. Couldn't stop, though. Couldn't stop.
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Yeah.
From experience.
Don't trust me. Don't trust me either. It didn't work. Look at this guy. They don't. You're not going to trust this guy? Look at him. I'm stressing this guy out.
I know that's tartar sauce.
I can see it from here. It's pickled.
They did have a smoked alligator. That yum yum sauce isn't as yum yum as I thought it was going to be.
You got it. You got it. Give me some of that, that gator.
Well, we're here for a good old rematch. The Chiefs and Eagles, baby. The fuck? Why wasn't I invited? I think that's why you're here. You got the invite.
They catch those fresh every day?
Nice. You're going to clean that whole plate, aren't you?
But I'm going to get to this hurricane. You got the hurricane. It can't be. I know what those things do.
Pat O'Brien's mix. Larry O'Brien's brother. I thought that was Pat O'Reilly. Yeah. That too. Chug, chug, chug. Oh, man. That would have been awesome if he would have just... I forgot to put the mix in. What is that?
Is there some grenadine in that thing? Get an accelerator. Get a cherry ice pop. That always goes well with them.
I have no idea. Yeah, cherry. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. What else is in there, big guy?
Yes, you can see it. Give me some.
Should have been. You're playing in the game.
The old Brent Selick. My guy Brent Selick's out there fucking helping the Eagles defense. I saw you, Brent. Bearcat for life, my ass. I saw that shit.
He's telling him my moves. He's showing off. Do you think he knows your moves? Yeah, I'm not going to lie. It was pretty spot on.
I know exactly what you're... Know what you're telling them? Going to have a few change-ups and curve balls and sliders and knuckle curves.
I have had hurricanes.
I like... I'm a, like...
I thought it was a walk around and sip kind of drink.
All right. Well, then what are we... What's a... I mean, all I know are just bourbon street drinks.
I don't do walk around drinks anymore, Jason.
No. Please.
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Familiarity. Yeah. Yeah.
obviously so much different from the nfl or the nba or whatever it is i remember my uh coming into the nfl one of the biggest challenges for me was like kind of like finding my like professionalism in a sense i am i was such a leader on my team at cincinnati at least i felt like i was like the the main one of the voice of the team um
And when I got to Kansas City, there was guys that had just been perennial pro bowlers and guys that had already had that culture set. And then on top of that, Coach Reed and I, I struggled trying to find my lane and like really like feeling like I could give a piece to the team or like find a role on the team.
Was there anything like that that happened to you early on knowing that it all happened so fast?
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Yeah. I remember, Jason, you got tossed into the fire early in your rookie year, especially because you guys didn't even have off-season workouts.
You're a little bit closer to the NIL world. Have you heard of anybody paying their taxes? I definitely wasn't fucking ready to pay taxes when I was in college. Like I wasn't thinking about that shit.
I'm like, just a little motivation. This is what we're working for.
Were you considering that?
Yes. It looks like you're having a good old time over there. I mean, it's college.
Yeah.
This is a moment you've always dreamed of as a kid. Oh, Jason was a train wreck. Are you kidding me? He was guy was pacing back and forth in the room.
We paid for the two hours. We did the two hours. Do we keep fucking rolling these things?
215?
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Yeah. My situation was a little different because I did have the year that I missed playing, but that ended up being the year that I switched into the tight end room, so it was a perfect match for me. That's when I really thought that, oh, wow, I actually love this game. Before, I was just back there playing the old backyard sport.
Now I have, I don't know, I felt like I could give more to the game, give more to the team. I was in Pittsburgh because that's where my agent was, had all the friends and family out. I knew first round wasn't there, but I always thought in the back of my mind I could, like all the tight ends that were going to get drafted, I could play with those guys.
You know, I might not have shown on film that I'm better than them, but I know that I've shown that I could play in the NFL just as much as they can. Yeah, I ended up just getting kind of like Jason said, getting told that maybe second round here, if this guy doesn't get picked, they're thinking about you. And I finally got a call from a Missouri number thinking I was going to St.
Louis because I had no idea that Kansas City was even in Missouri. And from there, it was Coach Reed on the phone telling me, you better not mess this up. You didn't? No, I didn't. I almost did a few times.
It's a good mindset to have. Yeah. What's your, what's your welcome to the WNBA moment? If you could have one. Oh, welcome to the W. I tell people this.
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Why did you just get so excited? What are you, some brainiac? Because that's how I did mine.
Jason was a male swim cadet, so he had to be performative.
Wait, so when you pop your drum, what happens to that?
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What beach down there in Florida?
Nice. We were Marco Island.
I didn't know you were a hiker. Well, you did. You've hiked Mount Kilimanjaro. That's right. I'm lighter now. He's a retired athlete. He just picks up hobbies.
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Yeah, Jason played a little longer than I did. Once I got to high school, I switched over to basketball because it was the same season.
I just couldn't dribble. We were known for basketball, and all the basketball games were absolutely rocking.
Yeah, and I had hoop dreams, so I chose basketball, but... Yeah, I definitely loved playing hockey the most. Hockey was so much fun. It was probably because of the guys that I played it with more so than actually getting out there. But, yeah. Yeah. That's half of the youth teams I was on anyways.
You get on the ice and play a little or what? Were you always a hooper or what other sports did you play?
Oh,
Yeah. Probably the one school that I was like, as a kid, I was like, that's the school.
I like Michigan. You were always a Michigan fan.
Exactly. Exactly, Caitlin. The thing is, I can, and I did.
I do. I'm a fan of the orange soda.
Exactly. I didn't go to either one of them, so it's all good.
I think it's good.
Exactly.
But no, it's pretty cool. We heard you got your first recruiting letter in seventh grade. Yeah. Is this true? Yeah.
That's insane. Were you playing with high schoolers at this point?
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So I feel very fortunate. Got to have that balance. That's awesome that your parents, you know, made sure of that or at least were cautious of it. Yeah, absolutely.
To play hockey. Is that what it was for? Yeah. That's the only sport anybody wanted me in seventh grade, seventh, eighth grade. It was that and lacrosse.
Can they be current? Can't get there. No, they can be former. They have to be former.
No, they can be current.
I'll start. George Kittle.
Nice. Nice. I'm going to go Claire Kittle.
Nice. TJ Hakasan.
Yes, yes. He's finally back healthy, doing his thing. That's awesome.
Hmm. This is tough. We stumped her. We stumped her. I'm thinking about NFL players. She's still thinking of NFL.
All right. I'll take you, Geno. All right. We respect Geno. I'm going to go a little Chiefs tight end when I first got to Kansas City, Tony Mowiaki. My dog, my Chi-Town brother. Shout out to Timo, man.
No, the legend.
No gloves. No gloves. I'll stay in the tight end world over there. Noah Fant. That's right. Seahawks, I think. Yes. Yeah. 8-7 over there in Seattle.
Well, I'll show my age and Jason's as well because he was the same recruiting class. He was also a Kansas City Chief when I got to Kansas City. Ricky Stanzi, quarterback, Iowa.
Then you lost. If you're pretty sure, you lost.
That was fun. That was fun.
That was a fun one. All right. What was one of your most favorite memories from playing at Iowa, though?
Yeah. Maybe one that everyone doesn't know about.
You guys were like the dream team over there.
We didn't even know.
That's such a good, everyone's becoming more familiar. Yeah, absolutely.
Have you ever heard of anybody? You're a little, you're a little bit closer to the NIL world. Have you heard of anybody paying their taxes before? In my mind, I'm like, I definitely wasn't fucking ready to pay taxes when I was in college. Like, I wasn't thinking about that shit.
Adriatico's pizza. I could sell that shit in a heartbeat. I used to go there every fucking day. If you're ever around University of Cincinnati, go on up there to Clifton and have some Adriatico's pizza. Get you a Bearcat pizza. It's one of the best.
That's a marketing major right there. The correct answer is go to the biggest brand in the city.
Every time, man. Every time.
I've seen Jason eat more Penn Station at the University of Cincinnati than I did Skyline.
One of the best cheesesteaks in the land. Great cheesesteak.
Well, that's awesome, man. I'm happy as hell for you, brother. I can't wait. You said something about a band, and now I got to ask, are you breaking out the sax?
And there's a heated debate between Kylie and I. You're about to divide a family, Caitlin.
It's the same ingredients.
Kai likes the nacho cheese on the cheesesteak, though, so that's a little... See, I don't like the nacho cheese.
No, not focusing. I'm still too far away to be able to read that. Oh, you got some new... Got some reads. Got some reads. We'll see.
That's what I thought it was. I thought it was the original reason why they came up with the transfer portal was, one, because of COVID, but two, because coaches just were up and leaving and players were being forced to just be there with whoever came in.
Knowing that the new coaching staff wasn't the ones that really wanted them or recruited them, so they were kind of put on the back burner. Yeah. I think if a coach leaves, then a player or whoever on the team gets to be able to enter the transfer portal.
It should go back to the old rules if you ask an old-timer like me to where if you transfer, you have to sit out a year.
I don't know.
Every situation is different. For sure.
Insane. I was being a kid, and when NCAA football, the video game came out, I was like, I just have to. I have to buy this. I have to play this. I have to act like I went to every... And then I was like, oh, I don't have to just go and create a new like player. I can just transfer. So I played at four different schools, won the Heisman at each school.
And I'm just like, man, could you imagine a player doing this? Because NIL, if he wins the Heisman like early on enough, like he's going to get or they're going to get enough money to stay to stay at their college. Yeah. To stay in college for as long as they want or as long as their eligibility to let them.
I didn't... No pun intended. I didn't read that on the box. I just thought in my head, what could this possibly have to do with a saxophone? Yeah, the reads.
But it'll get to the point where it's not even the physicality. It'll just be guys will leave knowing that they have the potential to become that. You know what I mean? So guys will just get drafted based off of potential even more. Right. All right now.
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Wait, you said probiotics?
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What about taste? I'm not trying to choke down something that tastes bad.
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Did you see the new NBA All-Star format?
And how do you feel about this?
Four teams of eight with one team being the rising stars.
I don't know what team is what team. The jerseys aren't the same. The colors aren't the same. Jason is such an old, stubborn dude. This is hilarious.
The Cavs are back, baby. The Cavs are fucking rolling right now. You know what I'm saying? It just makes the league better when Cleveland's thriving. They're really, really good. Fucking pulled that out of my ass. They are fun to watch right now.
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What do you think about a four point line?
Yeah. What about you're saying that everybody's questioning how physical the game is. What do you think a hockey-style fight won once a game? Just everybody picks a fighter. Who doesn't like a boxing glove?
Just made me want to play NBA Jam. Have you ever played NBA Jam, Kaylin?
but like i can't imagine her in kansas city's in the shopping around for a team trying to bring one i know and they got they got a good basketball arena there what is it the sprint center or whatever we hold the uh you're right it it golly you just took me back it used to be sprint sold to t-mobile so now it's a t-mobile i knew it was one of them um big 12 tourneys there every year yeah it's a great spot and then power and light district down there like it's it would be gone
17, and they're trying to add an 18.
three in the next three in like 11 days or something like that yeah so it already started uh i'm gonna be playing two in the next uh what is it eight game eight days yeah like how do you even prepare for that like that's crazy you just put your shoes and pads on just like the other team we're in this together and you put your face in the fan you just know it's coming we're all in this shit now
To be honest, we're ending that skit on or like the three games in 11 days. We're ending it on Christmas. And it's like, who can't get excited to play on fucking Christmas? That's true. We didn't last year. And you saw that firsthand. But this year, I think we're ready.
We learned from last year. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. I know I can relate. Jason, I don't know if you played in enough pro-ams yet to hit anybody.
But I think they dodged it. Down the third baseline.
So I share your pain. Are you more nervous on the free throw line or at the first tee?
Touche. According to your teammates, you are quite the karaoke person. What is your karaoke song of choice? Or what's your go-to?
She gets it.
Nice.
I'm anything 80s rock and roll. 70s, 80s rock and roll, throw it on. Springsteen, you name it, any of it. I'm like ACDC. I can only do one, though. If I'm going to do ACDC, I can only do one.
And then my voice is gone, so.
in terms of hooping yeah yeah they look cool and trust me i've sprained my ankles a thousand a thousand times there's no stopping it anymore i forget which number it is but he came out with the ones i think after he uh popped his achilles with the the actually like went up like halfway up the calf yep and they're making those again yeah are they really yeah i got a pair in like white and maybe red
should be that that could be the shoe you hoop in there it is goes all the way up his leg make sure i'm not rolling my fucking ankle i know that for sure just wearing a winter boot yeah literally if you weren't playing basketball what would caitlin clark be doing you said you're a marketing major would you have gone more into that world or you think you would have jumped into something else
We made it, Jason.
Some cheesy corn. Corn.
Jason's just answering his own questions.
Come on down to Arrowhead. We'll get you some barbecue.
All right. Piece of advice for the next Caitlin Clark watching.
you know just enjoy it have fun and you know keep loving it i think that is a very wise answer yes especially for someone going into their second year i took so much shit serious when i first got in the league i would just have to do this i have to and this and this and now i'm just like telling everyone like you know it's not that serious
You're absolutely amazing. Can't wait to see you and the Fever go at it again next season. When are you guys starting up for a training camp?
April. Oh, nice. So you got some time. I got some time.
I'll tell you what, we punched our tickets, so we're definitely going to at least have – I would assume we at least got one at Arrowhead. But, you know, you're invited to them all. All right.
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No, my mom was actually the one paying for my tuition at that point. So I had to make sure I did my mom right. I couldn't just throw away the grades knowing my mom was paying for them. That's right. I share that with my mother.
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What a guy.
I know. It's funny. You'll see some guys throw on those winter coats. And if they get too close to the heaters, you just hear them pop. They're just like...
really you'll just see feathers start flying everywhere it's crazy i had to tell them to like turn it off i'm like just let it be like a normal bench like yeah i'm not i'm out on i'm out on the heaters that has to be like below 20 degrees for me even to think about sitting on the heaters that's why i'm sitting on the water coolers right now every every time we're off the field i i hate it i can't feel too hot
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How crazy is that?
Yeah. The Eagles had all this right there and there. Don't shut up. Will you not talk about this right now? We're doing just fine. You guys are doing great right now. That's funny.
They technically are on.
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I want to hear about Second City in Vegas, man. Okay, yeah. Yeah, how did you end up going into Second City? Did you always know after your hoop dreams and everything?
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Man, I can only imagine signing up for a gig for six months in Vegas.
We are recording together here in Los Angeles, California, making our way out west. Yeah. How about that? It's pretty nice. Two Clevelanders making their way out west to the show. Big time. Hollywood. Officially out here for a small amount of time. Yes. And we're going to enjoy it. Yeah. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, or wherever you get your podcasts.
So the entire time in Vegas, like doing Second City, though, you were going to the sports books on Sundays, betting on the Chiefs is what you were. And you were just making sure, like you didn't dabble a lot in the chain, the slots and the tables and all that.
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Oh, wow.
It got a little intense every time we walked past it.
Oh, sorry about that.
That's awesome. The Flamingo. Was there ever an end goal in mind? No. No, you know, you were just enjoying doing what you're doing.
And you used to go to the second city shows in Chicago. All the time, yeah. So did you ever see the legends, like, pull up?
That's right.
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Man, I'm fired up about this. Dude, the best.
So definitely can relate to that. And even to add on to that, growing up and how many sports we played, how many different, like playing hockey, playing baseball, the hockey guys are completely different than the football guys that are completely different than the basketball guys or even the lacrosse guys. The wrestlers, that's the way you do it. Those guys.
Nutcases. Yeah. Once I saw Jason's pimple on his forehead pop on someone else's face, wrestling in middle school, I was like, yeah, I'm good on wrestling. It's the weight, the yo-yo weight stuff.
Some of them started wearing hockey helmets. I put on a hockey helmet before. That shit ain't stopping nothing, dude.
You got to put on everything.
I don't think I'm good at it. You guys are already two steps ahead of me. I can't even read or write. I see a blank page, I'm like, that thing's probably going to stay blank. It's like, I can read that. I can imagine everything actually.
I can imagine that's probably, yeah, that has to be kind of a lot of people's sweet spot, right?
That can do both, at least.
Did you have that goat in the acting world that you looked up to that you aspire to be? Or even somebody at SNL where you were like, oh shit, I'm finally in the same room as... For sure.
Yeah. Well. That being said, Jason, you want to jump on the intro?
We got our own Bruce Buffer right here. Yeah, let's prove it.
Yeah. Yeah. What was that? It was a bold statement. You say greatest sports movie. It's not that bold a statement. What are you going to put above Hoosiers? I mean, we were talking about Miracle last week and that was a fucking- Miracle's great. But that happened.
I had the pleasure of just, he was, I always forget the Halloween character he does on SNL. Oh, David Pumpkins. David Pumpkins. I don't know why I always, I never like associate him with the name David. I don't know why I never do that. He was getting ready to do that skit three Halloweens ago when Jack Harlow was hosting it. And I snuck up behind him.
I was like, is that the man with one red shoe? And he was just like, what?
That was like the first one I ever remembered. They had an opening scene. It's blowing my mind as a kid.
This is the most skilled human being I've ever seen in my life.
Yeah. Awesome. Was that that happened? What like two weeks ago? Was it two weeks ago? Yeah, I took that literally a week to recover. I it looked like an entire award show. The amount of people that showed up, I don't know if, I know they kind of do it every 10 years, but 40 didn't look like that.
I mean, I enjoyed every second and watching that thing. Yeah, same. You got to be in the skit, the jail skit.
He loves being Paul McCartney. He is the coolest dude in any generation, in any room.
Was there ever a sketch that you just knew was gonna crush it and it just never caught the air? Like ever got the green light?
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And I already announced that I'm coming back, but Chiefs fans, you have always been right there every single time towards the end of the season, in the locker rooms, on the field, having fun with us, man. When did your Chiefs-like fandom really build up?
You're the cool one. No, I was not. I remember Jason stumbling into the bedroom at five, not at five, but on a Friday night, just hearing boom, boom, boom, and like breaking doors off hinges. Yeah, yeah, and you're like, I'll wait for that.
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I laugh about it now, but it hurts and so of course It's like because it matters to you. I blame Jason. He had the voodoo doll
I mean, it was so long ago. Like, I don't know. It was, I don't even, I am really good. I'm really good at just, you know, cutting off my memory. Yeah.
And what did you guys pay him? No, come on. How much money? Oh, you think they paid? I didn't heard that. I'm kidding. God, can we cut that?
I've seen a lot of that stuff. I do want to go.
Last year was three mil raised? I think so, yeah. It keeps going up by the mil at this point.
And it's like the money is cool and all, but what you guys do actually going to the hospital the day before and actually being around the patients and everything, it's amazing. It's lovely.
You guys get such good support through the entire entertainment industry. Yeah, absolutely.
Yanni, she just had Yanni to put us to sleep. She was just like, all right, you guys are talking way too much.
Pianos and violins, that's all I remember. It's a vibe. Yanni's a vibe, yeah, for sure. I love this, man. Dude, I want it to end, but we got one more little part in here, even though we haven't been going off this.
Even more complicated. We are amateurs. There we go. Hang in like this. Don't cut that out. Absolutely. Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, we already talked about you playing basketball, talked about SNL and hosts and stuff. Who's better in their respective fields? Are you better as a basketball player or is LeBron better as an SNL host? Wow. You both played. You played in the All-Star game with him.
Just a bunch of Cleveland guys. Yeah, that's all. Making their way in the world today. How much,
You dressed up like that and didn't get a pig?
Well, I mean, we know you're a music guy. What's your go-to karaoke?
Do you know what you would have done? I feel like I would have still been in sports, done some sort of broadcasting or something like that. I just remember always mimicking what I heard on the TV during games and stuff, like John Madden and all those games. Of course, yeah. Do you know what you'd do?
Yeah.
I can see you playing the sax on SNL. The sax on SNL?
You had some fucking solos, though.
Where should we start? You tell me. It's your show. I mean, golly. Did you ever pitch Ted Lasso at SNL?
Dude, thanks for coming on, brother.
Thank you for having me. Really, yes, absolutely.
Appreciate you always showing up in KC, too, man. We'll get back on the train, baby.
Right now shout out the Jason Sudeikis What a guy man. Yeah, that was goddammit. I loved every second of it It's one of those where like you really don't even read the rundown and I hate to say that to our producers because you guys do a lot of hard work and a lot of research but don't do it Brandon my My iPad was off. Yeah.
No, he's one of those guys where you just ask an interesting question Like how about the blue man crew? Like are you kidding me?
Riding a Razor scooter to the Flamingo every day.
No?
Oh, he's so grateful.
Just a Midwest, just a nice Midwest man.
So can you kind of give us the backstory? Because I think I know a little something. I got a good friend in KC who married a girl that... I think her father was maybe a gym teacher? Oh, I had a basketball coach.
That'll make him any better, man. No doubt. And he's on the Chiefs side, which is, you know, it's heartbreaking for me because I didn't make him proud. I think you did. One day I will. You did. No, man, Jason's the best. Basketball! You know what I'm talking about? You have no fucking clue. This guy's clueless, man.
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yeah the audition process dude we've all seen the audition video it is the most brilliant the cat cat toy on the ground how how does that even how do you how do you know that that's going to be the one to get you the job like what the fuck well here's the thing because travis it doesn't make any sense in my mind you've hosted the show right you've stood you've stood on that spot where you deliver the monologue yeah and your heart is pounding in your chest right yes and yes
Were there any other audition bits that you had? Or were you kind of juggling a few at the time? Yeah.
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That's awesome, man.
I'll tell you what, Lauren, he could be a stone cold dude. He can give you absolutely nothing. And I'm sure that left you confused as all get out, man.
The SNL years were definitely the beginning of our fandom for you, big guy. Who do you remember as some of your favorite characters on SNL? Like the ones that you really got excited to go out there and perform?
Yeah. Seven years is a crazy run, man. You, uh, obviously seven years on the show as a, as a cast member, but you're, you're a member of the SNL five timers club as well. What's the difference between hosting it and, and being a cast member or what's the biggest difference?
So you're sitting there like, I don't want to take her off stage. I don't want to take him off stage. I don't want to take that bit, that bitch, they kill it.
It is a machine. It is a well-oiled machine.
he didn't he didn't give me anything i'm like was i that bad no no no but no it's a young man's game it all rolls fast though man it happens so fast and man i was i was the luckiest guy in the world to even get a chance to do it knowing how big of a of a fan i was of it and how big of a you know opportunity it is jason you're next Jason, Jason, he's been, he's been on my own thing.
welcome back to new heights ladies and gentlemen a wondry show produced by wave sports and entertainment and brought to you by american express we're your host i'm travis kelsey my big brother jason kelsey out of cleveland heights ohio uh cincinnati bearcat alums get the uc bearcats basketball team back on the winning streak here all right now boys subscribe on youtube wondry plus or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media at new heights show with one s jason welcome
week you're seeing the the construction workers putting together sets and you're just your your mind is just blown away and you're just like what and then some sets get canceled because they just don't fit in the time frame you're just like what how do you do this week in week out it just blows my mind and you really have to have to be a part of it you have to have thick skin as a cast member because uh
We got a good one. You don't even got to tell them. I'll tell them. We got a good one coming up. But tell them what we got coming up.
Dude, you send it better than anybody, man.
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Like, man, I did not expect this person to be this damn good or this funny or this awesome. Maybe when you were a cast member.
He had to reel it back.
Oh, my God. So epic. Best intro. Best intro ever.
I gave him my best Tony Gonzalez. He was known for dunking. That's right. And I had just eclipsed his touchdown record.
What I did was, you remember when you first started trying to dunk and you would just go up and smack the backboard? That's kind of what I was doing right there. It wasn't a full dunk. Maybe if I get it earlier in the game, I might be able to. The explosive.
I've really been stewing on that.
If I just get the technique right, I can do it.
It's going to happen. You're 310 pounds. You're not going to dunk the ball. Gravity is working against you. Exactly.
You know it. You know Ron's commanding.
It is now. It is now. Second round, we're going running back. Who you got for running back?
He's acting now. He's in a TV show. No. Yeah. I was actually pretty surprised. I was like, man, he's speaking kind of better than he is in the interviews he gets. Wait, what show is he in? This is a good question. I don't know. I only came across it. Landman with Billy Bob Thornton. Oh, Landman. Yeah. One of those Paramount Plus shows.
The old football, huh? You got a premier team that you root for?
Heck yeah. I see you at a lot of sporting events. Is that like your hobby? You just love to get some live action sports? No. I'm like living through you when I see you at it. I'm like, dude, I want to do what Will's doing. I've got way too many tickets. Let alone the baseball bit you did where you played at all the teams and everything.
Right on.
Yeah, we got relationship advice voicemail. So something we do on the show is answer voicemails from our fans. And we've asked them to call in asking for relationship advice, because who doesn't want to hear relationship advice from a couple of knuckleheads? Would you like to help us on these? Oh, sure. You want to jump in? Let's do it, man. Here's the thing.
You could answer some of these questions as one of your characters, maybe. Okay. Nice.
Red flags, green flags.
I think it kind of metaphorically, it makes sense. You got to find your way to the finish line.
You know? I loved it, man. That shit was fucking gold.
That could have gone any better. All right, here we go. Next one. What do we got? All right.
Do you take the best friend after the tickets you bought for your girlfriend? She dumped you.
Yes. After? Yes. So the girlfriend dumped him and now the best friend wants to go with.
That's how you roll right there, baby. That was fucking gold, man.
That's why you're the greatest of all time, dude. Oh my goodness. Oh, man. Do we got one more in us? You want to do one more?
That was gold. That was so good. I think we're good to roll, man. Let's get this thing going.
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That's where our mom was. She started off with the bank telling. Worked her way up to some higher up positions, but yeah, she started off as a teller.
That's too funny. As long as your register wasn't short, you're good, man.
Damn it. You're a father of three. What is the secret to being a cool dad? The secret to being a cool dad.
Nice. Yeah. Humiliation.
Right.
I'll happily see this new one in theaters for you, bud. Even though it's not in theaters. It's on Amazon.
Dude, it's the best. Yeah. It's the best. Or have you always been a hockey fan?
I'm calling everyone in the neighborhood. They're coming over.
Is there one idea for a movie that you haven't gotten to make yet?
Because you want to steal it.
There you go. There we go. All right. What's your welcome to Hollywood moment? We all have welcome to NFL moments that just – I don't know. It's usually a big hit or somebody that we're extremely fond of or we're big fans of growing up that we're finally going up against. What was your welcome to Hollywood moment?
Dude, are you kidding me? This is all me and Jason used to do. Oh, okay.
This is legit.
Got a nice light. Yeah, look at that light. That's coming in real nice.
I mean, it's a lot of fucking classics that you've been in, so I get it.
That's funny as shit. Yeah. What's your comedy Mount Rushmore throughout your life? Who are you? Who's your top four? You're throwing on your Mount Rushmore.
Nice. Yeah, throw them all in there. That counts. Hell yeah.
That's awesome, man. Awesome list.
I don't know why I just pictured you dressed up with the slick back as Steven Stegall. I don't know why that's what popped in my head.
Oh, it was one of the best ever.
I got a little Wayne great ski. Jason got me this for Christmas.
I'll tell you, I've been to the Rose Bowl one time since he played UCLA out there. When I tell you it is one of the coolest atmospheres, like I can only imagine that place packed to the T for that game and seeing highlight after highlight after highlight for the biggest game of the year. Man, I can only imagine what that felt like, man.
Oh, yeah. We did. That was probably the first one that we both fell in love with, at least for me, for sure. Yeah.
Yeah, I'll take a hack at this. So me and Jason, we started this thing because we just wanted to show our brotherhood and have fun catching up once a week. And it was a magical year where we both went to the Super Bowl and got to talk about both of our seasons throughout it.
In retrospect, after about three years, the coolest part is getting to interview guys like you and just getting to shoot the shit with you over the course of an hour and get to pick your brain on the profession that you're in and what got you there and things like that.
That's all been so fascinating to me, and it kind of hit me like a blind side because I just got on here to have fun with my brother, and now I get to do cool shit like this. So that's definitely the ups for me. That's awesome.
I'm taking your advice and I'm full send in everything I ever do in the entertainment world, man.
I appreciate that advice, man. Yeah. Well, thank you so much, brother. You're unbelievable. Cannot wait to see everything you got coming up and appreciate the time, man. Thanks you guys. All right. That was fun.
There you go. Ladies and gentlemen, if we didn't mention your favorite Will Ferrell movie, I think we want to do a blind ranking of all of Will Ferrell's classics, no matter what they are, any genre of Will's throughout the past year. Why don't you go ahead and throw us some, and we'll have some fun doing a blind ranking of all of Will's best. uh, next week.
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You've done a lot of these. I've got to know. I've been just so curious about this. When did you become a DJ? The video of you DJing at the frat party might be one of my favorites. You've now inspired me to want to become a DJ and do exactly what you made. That shit looks so fucking fun.
That's so good. The fact that you could just turn that switch off, though, man, not care about it, that's the best part. I sent that to everybody that I knew.
That's right. You know them. You love them. And let's be real. You probably have a stash hidden somewhere right now.
Well, we love it when you do it too, big dog. Yeah, for sure.
Let's get into your athletic career. Jason, why don't you hit them with it?
Oh, yes.
Football guy right here.
I played defense one fucking time, and it was safety. And I saw a guy running at me looking like freaking Eddie George, and I made a business decision. That's what I did. I made a business decision to not go in with the head, the hands, the proper technique. I went slide tackle.
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45 in a game. Nice. In high school. That's big time.
Yeah. No, not in college, in college. That's when it's no fun.
It sounds like you, you kind of wanted to be an announcer while in college.
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