Travis Kitchens

It was his reputation that allowed it. Most people who want to study psychedelics are wacko birds. I mean, they're not going to be the people you want to do it.

And then you get the psychedelic renaissance, because I mean right when he published that paper. NYU, Berkeley, everywhere. So now they're everywhere, all over the world. Look, maybe it would have happened, but it would have happened much later. It was based on his reputation. And what the idea was, and in every paper, Michael Pollan did a thing in The New Yorker.

And then you get the psychedelic renaissance, because I mean right when he published that paper. NYU, Berkeley, everywhere. So now they're everywhere, all over the world. Look, maybe it would have happened, but it would have happened much later. It was based on his reputation. And what the idea was, and in every paper, Michael Pollan did a thing in The New Yorker.

And then you get the psychedelic renaissance, because I mean right when he published that paper. NYU, Berkeley, everywhere. So now they're everywhere, all over the world. Look, maybe it would have happened, but it would have happened much later. It was based on his reputation. And what the idea was, and in every paper, Michael Pollan did a thing in The New Yorker.

Michael Pollan wrote a book about him called How to Change Your Mind.

Michael Pollan wrote a book about him called How to Change Your Mind.

Michael Pollan wrote a book about him called How to Change Your Mind.

And the whole premise was, look, this ain't the old days. We've got a new guy and he's very conservative and he's not into this religious crap. He's going to just study it straight up and he's going to give us the answers. Well, it turned out that wasn't didn't seem to turn out to be true.

And the whole premise was, look, this ain't the old days. We've got a new guy and he's very conservative and he's not into this religious crap. He's going to just study it straight up and he's going to give us the answers. Well, it turned out that wasn't didn't seem to turn out to be true.

And the whole premise was, look, this ain't the old days. We've got a new guy and he's very conservative and he's not into this religious crap. He's going to just study it straight up and he's going to give us the answers. Well, it turned out that wasn't didn't seem to turn out to be true.

Well, he, I mean, if you look at, he was, but right before he died, he was on Oprah Winfrey, and he sounded a lot like Albert Hoffman and Timothy Leary. I'm not Leary, but like Albert Hoffman. Look, there's an ecological disaster enveloping the planet. Human beings are going to, he's saying this on Oprah.

Well, he, I mean, if you look at, he was, but right before he died, he was on Oprah Winfrey, and he sounded a lot like Albert Hoffman and Timothy Leary. I'm not Leary, but like Albert Hoffman. Look, there's an ecological disaster enveloping the planet. Human beings are going to, he's saying this on Oprah.

Well, he, I mean, if you look at, he was, but right before he died, he was on Oprah Winfrey, and he sounded a lot like Albert Hoffman and Timothy Leary. I'm not Leary, but like Albert Hoffman. Look, there's an ecological disaster enveloping the planet. Human beings are going to, he's saying this on Oprah.

Instead of the UFO, it's the mushroom. It's a belief in the powers of the mushroom. Okay, push aside God, push aside the UFO. We keep changing out that spot. Something has to take that spot. So what it is, is I think I told you before, all of this— They're evangelists. Yeah, essentially. Now, evangelists was—they called that article about Roland the Psychedelic Evangelist.

Instead of the UFO, it's the mushroom. It's a belief in the powers of the mushroom. Okay, push aside God, push aside the UFO. We keep changing out that spot. Something has to take that spot. So what it is, is I think I told you before, all of this— They're evangelists. Yeah, essentially. Now, evangelists was—they called that article about Roland the Psychedelic Evangelist.

Instead of the UFO, it's the mushroom. It's a belief in the powers of the mushroom. Okay, push aside God, push aside the UFO. We keep changing out that spot. Something has to take that spot. So what it is, is I think I told you before, all of this— They're evangelists. Yeah, essentially. Now, evangelists was—they called that article about Roland the Psychedelic Evangelist.

I was very surprised they did that. I wouldn't go as far as saying an evangelist. Some of them are. Leary is. Many of the other people were. You could even say Michael Pollan was. I mean, he was going around giving speeches saying— We need to do this. Sorry. So would I say he was an evangelist? No, but there's, I mean, when you make a statement, a scientist saying, if we don't get these drugs.

I was very surprised they did that. I wouldn't go as far as saying an evangelist. Some of them are. Leary is. Many of the other people were. You could even say Michael Pollan was. I mean, he was going around giving speeches saying— We need to do this. Sorry. So would I say he was an evangelist? No, but there's, I mean, when you make a statement, a scientist saying, if we don't get these drugs.

I was very surprised they did that. I wouldn't go as far as saying an evangelist. Some of them are. Leary is. Many of the other people were. You could even say Michael Pollan was. I mean, he was going around giving speeches saying— We need to do this. Sorry. So would I say he was an evangelist? No, but there's, I mean, when you make a statement, a scientist saying, if we don't get these drugs.

Take some water. Good. Want another water? No, I'm good. I mean, he was saying, look, there's an ecological disaster. Human beings are going to kill themselves. The only interruption, the only thing we can do to stop this is we have to on a global level. See, this is where you start getting into dicey territory. It's not enough for certain people to do it. Everybody's got to do it.