Travis Kitchens

Take some water. Good. Want another water? No, I'm good. I mean, he was saying, look, there's an ecological disaster. Human beings are going to kill themselves. The only interruption, the only thing we can do to stop this is we have to on a global level. See, this is where you start getting into dicey territory. It's not enough for certain people to do it. Everybody's got to do it.

Take some water. Good. Want another water? No, I'm good. I mean, he was saying, look, there's an ecological disaster. Human beings are going to kill themselves. The only interruption, the only thing we can do to stop this is we have to on a global level. See, this is where you start getting into dicey territory. It's not enough for certain people to do it. Everybody's got to do it.

It's got to be a global thing. And that's something he told me himself. This can't be just a few people taking it. Everybody's got to do it.

It's got to be a global thing. And that's something he told me himself. This can't be just a few people taking it. Everybody's got to do it.

It's got to be a global thing. And that's something he told me himself. This can't be just a few people taking it. Everybody's got to do it.

Well, I wouldn't use mandatory because then you start sounding like Joseph Stalin. That's the problem. Because as Rick Strassman says, what about if everybody don't want to get spiritualized? There's a lot of ornery people in the world that don't want to do it. Are they going to have to do it? Because how else are you going to do it?

Well, I wouldn't use mandatory because then you start sounding like Joseph Stalin. That's the problem. Because as Rick Strassman says, what about if everybody don't want to get spiritualized? There's a lot of ornery people in the world that don't want to do it. Are they going to have to do it? Because how else are you going to do it?

Well, I wouldn't use mandatory because then you start sounding like Joseph Stalin. That's the problem. Because as Rick Strassman says, what about if everybody don't want to get spiritualized? There's a lot of ornery people in the world that don't want to do it. Are they going to have to do it? Because how else are you going to do it?

Because this is a fringe thing that not a lot of people are interested in. But once you have this belief that everybody's got to do it, the only question is what? Distribution. How do you get it out there? Then you have the medical system and Medicaid and you have religion. And so these become your two pipelines in which to introduce this drug into society on a global scale.

Because this is a fringe thing that not a lot of people are interested in. But once you have this belief that everybody's got to do it, the only question is what? Distribution. How do you get it out there? Then you have the medical system and Medicaid and you have religion. And so these become your two pipelines in which to introduce this drug into society on a global scale.

Because this is a fringe thing that not a lot of people are interested in. But once you have this belief that everybody's got to do it, the only question is what? Distribution. How do you get it out there? Then you have the medical system and Medicaid and you have religion. And so these become your two pipelines in which to introduce this drug into society on a global scale.

Yeah, because, I mean, think about it. If you want people to do this, you can't say, we're starting a new religion and it's based on the mushroom and everybody should take it. They're going to immediately write you off as a crank. So what you do is you need to give it scientific legitimacy. And so all the press during the psychedelic renaissance, based on...

Yeah, because, I mean, think about it. If you want people to do this, you can't say, we're starting a new religion and it's based on the mushroom and everybody should take it. They're going to immediately write you off as a crank. So what you do is you need to give it scientific legitimacy. And so all the press during the psychedelic renaissance, based on...

Yeah, because, I mean, think about it. If you want people to do this, you can't say, we're starting a new religion and it's based on the mushroom and everybody should take it. They're going to immediately write you off as a crank. So what you do is you need to give it scientific legitimacy. And so all the press during the psychedelic renaissance, based on...

tiniest amounts of evidence in studies of very small heavily screened numbers of people are this does this it cures depression maybe it'll save the world so they had to give it a scientific validity and that's through psychiatry so the debates in psychedelics have always been which way do we go there's two paths Is it a religious sacrament or is it a medical cure?

tiniest amounts of evidence in studies of very small heavily screened numbers of people are this does this it cures depression maybe it'll save the world so they had to give it a scientific validity and that's through psychiatry so the debates in psychedelics have always been which way do we go there's two paths Is it a religious sacrament or is it a medical cure?

tiniest amounts of evidence in studies of very small heavily screened numbers of people are this does this it cures depression maybe it'll save the world so they had to give it a scientific validity and that's through psychiatry so the debates in psychedelics have always been which way do we go there's two paths Is it a religious sacrament or is it a medical cure?

Exactly. And if you go back to antiquity, it's wonderful. Why? Because medicine and religion are all intertwined in magic in a way that you can't tell anymore. So you can see the interest in reviving that because the Eleusinian mysteries and mystery cults and all of these things are a mixture of all these things.

Exactly. And if you go back to antiquity, it's wonderful. Why? Because medicine and religion are all intertwined in magic in a way that you can't tell anymore. So you can see the interest in reviving that because the Eleusinian mysteries and mystery cults and all of these things are a mixture of all these things.

Exactly. And if you go back to antiquity, it's wonderful. Why? Because medicine and religion are all intertwined in magic in a way that you can't tell anymore. So you can see the interest in reviving that because the Eleusinian mysteries and mystery cults and all of these things are a mixture of all these things.