Travis Pastrana

I don't like to use that word because there's still an essence of chance and it being uncontrolled.

But you've, like you said, you're looking at stuff with a team and trying to reduce variables down to almost, and I get what it looks like on YouTube.

Like, oh my God, Travis is at it again.

but it's not accidental.

And that is what I think is missed.

Like, Honnold, don't get me wrong, there's not a pile of money tall enough in the world for me to attempt something like that, but he also just didn't wake up in his van and be like, today's the day, and go fire that off.

What if a bird had just gone up there and shit?

And you're just like, ah, and like, are you going to like curse the bird on your way down?

Like, fuck.

I think I would too.

You can just tell, you just watch the cameramen.

on that video where they're filming them and they're all just like, oh my God, I've never, I've never mountain climbing again.

I never want to do that.

Like they were just completely amped out of their mind.

And I have found, and again, I have only flirted with some of the activities that you have done, but I've been able to work with some cool sponsors and brands along the way.

In the moment, I'm not feeling like that at all.

I didn't realize though, that a lot of people who are there watching you do the type of stuff that you do, they're amped out of their mind because they're terrified and you're just like in the zone crushing, just performing.

It's a totally different headspace.

If you were to measure the fear and anxiety, you would probably be substantially lower than somebody who is sitting there supporting you in that endeavor.

As a father, I think you can understand that, though.