Trenna Sutcliffe, M.D.

I agree with that so much. So I actually ask that question all the time. I do wonder every time a child has a few of these traits, whether or not we're coming up with the diagnosis every time someone is just a little bit different. And rather than realizing there is neurodiversity, we're all different. We have to give a name to it all the time.

I agree with that so much. So I actually ask that question all the time. I do wonder every time a child has a few of these traits, whether or not we're coming up with the diagnosis every time someone is just a little bit different. And rather than realizing there is neurodiversity, we're all different. We have to give a name to it all the time.

It's an interesting debate and you will have your different perspectives. I mean, the name gives us a way to get resources and help people. But I also concern that we have to give everything a name. I actually wonder in the next DSM whether we'll end up taking a step back, whether the pendulum will swing a little bit.

It's an interesting debate and you will have your different perspectives. I mean, the name gives us a way to get resources and help people. But I also concern that we have to give everything a name. I actually wonder in the next DSM whether we'll end up taking a step back, whether the pendulum will swing a little bit.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I would say a couple of decades.

I would say a couple of decades.

It can be. But level one, we were talking about level one autism. So I'm concerned that the kids in level one autism might actually be part of several different diagnostic buckets. Children who are identified with level one autism, they see one clinician, that person may diagnose autism. They see a second clinician, that person may diagnose ADHD plus anxiety. They don't even call it autism.

It can be. But level one, we were talking about level one autism. So I'm concerned that the kids in level one autism might actually be part of several different diagnostic buckets. Children who are identified with level one autism, they see one clinician, that person may diagnose autism. They see a second clinician, that person may diagnose ADHD plus anxiety. They don't even call it autism.

I see this all the time in my clinic. I have kids who come to clinic and they may see three other clinicians before they saw me, really great clinicians. high standards experts, but there's a lot of blurry lines with the level one autism and you will hear different diagnoses.

I see this all the time in my clinic. I have kids who come to clinic and they may see three other clinicians before they saw me, really great clinicians. high standards experts, but there's a lot of blurry lines with the level one autism and you will hear different diagnoses.

So back to your thoughts around future DSMs, I wonder how we're going to address level one autism and is it the same condition? How many different conditions are in that bucket?

So back to your thoughts around future DSMs, I wonder how we're going to address level one autism and is it the same condition? How many different conditions are in that bucket?

IEP.

IEP.

Education plan.

Education plan.

I agree. And that's why, again, I agree that the kids in level one should be receiving services. Otherwise, what's the point of giving the diagnosis?

I agree. And that's why, again, I agree that the kids in level one should be receiving services. Otherwise, what's the point of giving the diagnosis?