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Trenton Bricken

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

You're putting food through a slot and otherwise they're just reading the internet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

You don't even necessarily know what they're reading.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And then you take out this 105-year-old and you teach them some table manners, like how to use a knife and a fork.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And that's it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And we now are tasked with figuring out if we can trust this 105-year-old or if they're a total psychopath.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And it's like, what did they read on the internet?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

What beliefs did they form?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

What are their underlying goals?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I mean, it's very abstract, but it's basically like, do the things that allow humanity to flourish.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Easy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

No, so hard to define.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Incredibly hard to define.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I mean, there's a fun thought experiment first posed by Yudkowsky, I think, where you tell the super intelligent AI, hey, all of humanity has got together and thought really hard about what we want, what's the best for society.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And we've written it down and put it in this envelope, but you're not allowed to open the envelope.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And so what that means is that – but do what's in the envelope.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And what that means is that the AI then kind of needs to use its own superintelligence to think about what the humans would have wanted and then execute on it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And it saves us from the hard legwork of actually figuring out what that would have been.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Well, but now you just put that in the training data, so –

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So now it's going to be like, oh, I know you're faking.