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Trenton Bricken

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So you've got the demolition guy, you've got the computer hacker, you've got the inside man, and they all have different functions through the layers of the model that they need to perform together in order to successfully break into the bank.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

How is a model meant to learn?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Why do you need so much feedback?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I mean, the models can even kind of already do this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

It's just, again, it's the nines of reliability.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And the internet's kind of a hostile place with all the allow cookies and all these other random things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But the first time I ever used our internal demo of computer use, the most beta thing possible, it did a fantastic job planning a camping trip.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

and could navigate all the right buttons and look at weather patterns.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And it was like a U.S.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

government booking site.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I mean, it wasn't easy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Or just not catered to foreigners.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I think if people care about it, it's so... Okay, so one, for these edge tasks, like taxes once a year, it's so easy to just bite the bullet and do it yourself instead of implementing some system for it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And two...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I don't know, even being very excited about AI and knowing its capabilities, sometimes it kind of stings when AI can just do things better than you.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And so I wonder if there is going to be this reluctant, wanting-to-keep-human-in-the-loop sort of thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

No, we'll be good at that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So I think you do that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I think the Amazon example is hard because it needs access to all your accounts and like a memory system.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And look, even in Dario's Machines of Loving Grace, he fully acknowledges that.