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Trenton Bricken

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Yeah, exactly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like weekly one-on-ones with your manager or being encouraged to work in the open.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Or, like, even with homework assignments, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

They're so scaffolded.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

It's always 10 questions broken down into subcomponents.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Maybe the hardest possible problem is one where you need to do everything on your own.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So I think, again, we take for granted how much we need to show humans how to do specific tasks, and there's like a failure to generalize here.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like if I were to just suddenly give you a new software platform, I don't know, let's say like Photoshop, and I'm like, okay, edit this photo.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

If you've never used Photoshop before, it'd be really hard to navigate.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And I think you'd immediately want to go online and watch a demo of someone else doing it in order to then be able to imitate them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But we give that –

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

That amount of data on every single task, surely, to the models.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So this is the first thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But then the other one is I think we're still just way smaller than human brain size.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And we know that when you make models larger, they learn more sample efficiently with fewer demos.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And, like, it was striking where even in your recent podcast with Mark Zuckerberg and Lama, it's like a 2 trillion parameter model.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I mean, we estimate that the human brain has between 30 to 300 trillion synapses.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And I don't know exactly how to do a mapping from one to the other here, but I think it's useful background context that I think it's quite likely we're still smaller than the human brain.