Tristan Harris

And the reason I'm saying this is not to scare your listeners.

It's so that we can get crystal clear that these five companies and the five soon to be trillionaires that are running them, they don't have the interests of regular people at heart.

Um, and we can talk more about that, but I think it's just so important for you to get that.

Yeah.

Well, I think the way we... I mean, it's not just about stopping, it's steering.

I always say, people always say, well, how could we possibly do something different because we're in a race with China, right?

Well, yes, we're in a race with China, but also the AI companies have been using a boogeyman of China to say, that's why you have to keep funding us and keep accelerating us.

We should just also be aware that the companies are using that narrative to drive up their goals and drive up investment into their products so that they can win against their competitors.

But one thing we should say about the race is...

What are we in a race for?

Because if we know

of social media.

We built a psychological bazooka called social media, but then we didn't actually govern it well, so we sort of spun it around and blew our own brain off.

Did that make us stronger or weaker as a country?

So we're actually in a race for who is better at steering and wielding the technology in a way that strengthens the full-stack economic, military, scientific, and technological health and strength of your society.

That's what we're in a race for.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, really, what you're pointing to is a crisis of trust here.

Because at the end of the day, it comes down to we're burning a new kind of power.