Tristan Harris

Absolutely.

So we're so glad that happened for you, Susan.

Thank you.

Yeah.

So in the documentary, we were talking about this earlier.

You say we can be the most mature version of ourselves.

There's a way through this.

Do you think there's a way through it?

I think there is a way through it.

and we have to do more than we have ever done as a species to try to steer.

And I want you to know, you can have many of the benefits, like we can race forward on certain kinds of medicine and narrow AI that does the pattern recognition that makes scans better without building general autonomous, crazy, super intelligent things that we don't know how to control.

there is a choice there.

You can have more of those examples and not ship chatbots to children that are deliberately designed to manipulate their self-worth or keep them dependent with chatbait and hijacking them.

So there really is steering possibility.

And one of the things I said in a recent TED Talk is that if you look throughout all the spiritual and religious traditions, I don't have to tell you because this is something that you focus on in your life,

restraint is a central feature of what it means to be wise.

Like in what spiritual religious tradition is it go as fast as possible, don't think about the consequences and get everybody using it and think about what happens later.

Like in what wisdom is that?

And so what we're asking for is quite basic here.

I think it can feel sometimes like impossible.