Tristan Harris

And Sinead, you are an activist for and promoting people do this responsibly.

What gives you hope that we, or do you have hope that we'll get this right?

Okay, and what is it you think we should do?

That is power.

Yeah.

And so do we call our congressman?

We're already seeing with the Anthropic showdown with the Pentagon where the danger is that AI could be used for mass domestic surveillance.

And then when they pull out of the contract and OpenAI rushed in, what happened?

Everyone unsubscribed from ChatGPT and everybody subscribed to Anthropic.

And when I say everybody, I don't mean a large number of people.

But what if the entire world was crystal clear that there are companies that have different safety practices and will allow different applications?

And you, listening to this, didn't just unsubscribe for yourself, but you got the business that you work for to say, how can we as our entire Fortune 500 company

unsubscribe from the unsafe or bad practices AI companies and subscribe to the ones that we want.

And the reason this matters- Well, that we can do.

And we can do.

And you can get your church group to do that.

You can get your business to do that.

You can get all the other parents you know to do that.

If everybody did that, that would have a big impact because the companies really depend on their user numbers going up.

AI as an industry has taken on more debt, trillions and trillions of dollars of money is going into this and so much debt, they have to make it up, which means that their numbers going up really matters.