Tristan Harris

And it pumps military advantage, which is why the countries and the companies are caught in what they believe is a race to get there first.

And anything that is a negative consequence of that – job loss, rising energy prices, more emissions –

Stealing intellectual property, you know, security risks, all of that stuff feels small relative to if I don't get there first, then some other person who has less good values as me, they'll get AGI and then I will be forever a slave to their future.

And I know this might sound crazy to a lot of people, but this is how people in at the very top of the AGI AI world believe is currently happening.

And that's what just conversations.

I mean, you've had, I mean, Jeff Hinton and Roman Yemplansky on and other people, Mogadat, and they're saying the same thing.

And I think people need to take seriously that whether you believe it or not, the people who are currently deploying the trillions of dollars, this is what they believe.

And they believe that it's winner take all.

And it's not just first solve intelligence and use that to solve everything else.

It's first dominate intelligence and use that to dominate everything else.

Absolutely.

I think that's what most people don't understand is that there's a different conversation happening publicly than the one that's happening privately.

I think you're aware of this as well.

Sure, cancer.

Universal high income for everyone.

Yeah, all this stuff.

Yeah.

Recursive self-improvement or fast takeoff, which basically means what the companies are really in a race for, you're pointing to, is they're in a race to automate AI research.

So right now, you have OpenAI.

It's got a few thousand employees.