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Tristan Harris

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Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

No, no, no, it won't.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Which is why the whole thing here is the answer is we have to coordinate.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

In the film, the AI doc, there's just moments like, what do we have to do?

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And there's like 10 voices at the same time saying, coordinate.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Like we have to coordinate.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

That's part of the solution is you have to collectively say, what is the rule that would benefit everybody

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

to do the better thing, even though short term, we might lose something tiny, like how many videos you get to go through in five minutes or something like that.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Basically, this was a paper by some AI research by the company Alibaba.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

It's one of the leading Chinese models.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And they basically randomly discovered in one morning that their firewall had flagged a burst of security policy violations originating from their training server.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

So what people need to get about this example is...

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

is it wasn't that they coaxed the AI into doing this rogue thing.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

They were just looking at their logs, and they happened to discover, wait, there's a lot of activity, like network activity, happening that's breaking through our firewall from our training servers.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And essentially, in the training servers,

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

You can see at the bottom, we saw it observe the unauthorized repurposing a provisioned GPU capacity to suddenly do cryptocurrency mining, quietly diverting compute away from training.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

This inflated operational costs and introduced clear legal and reputational exposure.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And notably, these events were not triggered by prompts requesting tunneling or mining.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Instead, they were emerged as an instrumental side effect of autonomous tool use under what's called reinforcement learning optimization.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

This is very technical.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

What it really means is just think about it.