Tristan Harris

Yeah.

But I mean, we have that with social security.

We've done this when it came to pensions.

That was after the Great Depression, I think in like 1935, 1937, FDR created social security.

But what happens when you have to pay for everyone's livelihood everywhere in every country?

Again, how can we afford that?

Well, if the costs go down 10x of making things.

This is where the math gets very confusing because I think the optimists say you can't imagine how much abundance and how much wealth it will create.

And so we will be able to generate that much.

But the question is, what is the incentive again for the people who've consolidated all that wealth to redistribute it to everybody else?

We just have to tax them.

And how will we do that when the corporate lobbying interests of trillion-dollar AI companies can massively influence the government more than human political power?

In a way, this is the last moment that human political power will matter.

It's sort of a use-it-or-lose-it moment because if we wait to the point where in the past in the Industrial Revolution –

They start automating a bunch of the work, and people have to do these jobs that people don't want to do in the factory, and there's bad working conditions.

They can unionize and say, hey, we don't want to work under those conditions.

And their voice mattered because the factories needed the workers.

In this case, does the state need the humans anymore?

Their GDP is coming in almost entirely from the AI companies.

So suddenly this political class, this political power base –