Tristan Harris

Although I do think that as the job loss conversation starts to hit, there's going to be an opportunity for politicians who are trying to mitigate that issue finally getting some wins.

And we just – people just need to see clearly that the default path is not in their interest.

The default path is companies racing to release the most powerful, inscrutable, uncontrollable technology we've ever invented with the maximum incentive to cut corners on safety, rising energy prices –

depleting jobs, creating joblessness, creating security risks, that is the default outcome.

Because energy prices are going up, they will continue to go up.

People's jobs will be disrupted.

And we're going to get more deep fakes and floods of democracy and all these outcomes from the default path.

And if we don't want that, we have to choose a different path.

Unless there's a massive political backlash because people recognize that this issue will dominate every other issue.

How does that happen?

Hopefully conversations like this one.

I mean as – what I mean is Neil Postman is a wonderful media thinker in the lineage of Marshall McLuhan.

He used to say clarity is courage.

If people have clarity and feel confident that the current path is leading to a world that people don't want, that's not in most people's interests –

that clarity creates the courage to say, yeah, I don't want that.

So I'm going to devote my life to changing the path that we're currently on.

That's what I'm doing.

And that's what I think that people who take this on, I watch, if you walk people through this and you have them see the outcome, almost everybody right afterwards says, what can I do to help?

Obviously, this is something that we have to change.

And so that's what I want people to do is to advocate for this other path.