Tristan Harris

Listen, I'm not naive.

This is super fucking hard.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah.

You know, I'm not... But it's like either something's going to happen and we're going to make it happen or we're just all going to live in this like collective denial passivity.

It's too big.

And there's something about...

a couple of things.

One solidarity.

If you know that other people see and feel the same thing that you do, that's how I keep going is that other people are aware of this and we're working every day to try to make a different path possible.

And I think that part of what people have to feel is the grief for the situation.

Um,

I just want to say it by being real.

Like underneath feeling the grief is the love that you have for the world that you're concerned about is being threatened.

And I think there's something about when you show the examples of AI blackmailing people or doing crazy stuff in the world that we do not know how to control.

Just think for a moment, if you're a Chinese military general,

Do you think that you see that and say, I'm stoked?

You feel scared and a kind of humility in the same way that if you're a US military general, you would also feel scared.

But then we forget that mammalian, we have a kind of amnesia for the common mammalian humility and fear that arises from a bad outcome that no one actually wants.

And so, you know, people might say that the U.S.