Tristan Harris

Like, no, you don't have to understand what's the engine in the car to understand the consequence that affects everybody of car accidents.

And you can advocate for things like, you know, speed limits and zoning laws and, you know, turning signals and brakes and things like this.

And so, yeah, I mean, to me, it's just obvious.

It's like,

I see what's at stake if we don't make different choices.

And I think in particular, the social media experience for me of seeing in 2013, it was like seeing into the future and seeing where this was all going to go.

Imagine you're sitting there in 2013 and the world is working relatively normally.

We're starting to see these early effects.

But imagine you can kind of feel a little bit of what it's like to be in 2020 or 2024 in terms of culture and what the dumpster fire of culture has turned into, the problems with children's mental health and psychology and anxiety and depression.

But imagine seeing that in 2013.

You know, I had friends back then who have reflected back to me.

They said, Tristan, when I knew you back in those days, it was like you were seeing this kind of slow motion train wreck.

You just looked like you were traumatized.

You look a little bit like that now.

Do I?

Oh, I hope not.

My friends used to call it not PTSD, which is post-traumatic stress disorder, but pre-TSD, of having pre-traumatic stress disorder, of seeing things that are going to happen before they happen.

And that might make people think that I think I'm

you know, seeing things early or something, that's not what I care about.

I just care about us getting to a world that works for people.