Tristan Harris

So there's this weird thing where I think if everybody saw the same thing at the same time, we could steer away.

And to the thing you were raising earlier, I think you were basically saying, a lot of people think that we won't act until there's a catastrophe.

I think you and I both have talked to people who've probably said that.

I mean, that's what a lot of people believe.

And I sort of feel like there's either a catastrophe or there's a shared near-death experience that is a simulated catastrophe.

And the reason why I think this film, The AI Doc, is so important, and again, I don't make a single dime from whether you see this movie or not, but I do think if everyone that they know, sorry, if everyone who's watching this got the most powerful people that they know to go out and see The AI Doc,

You got your business to see it.

You got your company to see it.

You got your church group to see it.

If everybody knows that everybody else knows, we can steer this to a different future.

Like just to give people an example, Jonathan Haidt, who wrote The Anxious Generation, you know, the first country that did the social media bans under 15 or 16 was Australia.

And he just talked about this on Bill Maher recently that-

What that did is it created an example of something that everybody was actually wanting to do, but felt like it was too extreme until Australia did it.

And now literally 25% of the world's population represented by countries is moving to the social media ban.

Just this last week, Indonesia and India, some of the largest countries, are implementing a social media ban for kids under 15 or 16.

you can pull the train back into the station.

If people say the train's left the station, you can pull the train back into the station if it creates a future that we don't actually want.

You can't un-invent social media.

But we can say, what are the steering limits and brakes that we want to apply to this technology before we get to a full anti-human future that we can't actually reverse out of?

I'm happy to hear you reference these examples.