Tristan Hughes

Okay.

So we've gone on our trip to El Castillo, and now we're like, you must also do La Pasiaga.

And we've been allowed in somehow.

We've sneaked in.

Explain this site, this cave to us, how different it is.

But a very different, a very different example of art from the discs that we were just talking about.

And from what you're saying, much older as well.

I've got, once again, an image of it up at the moment.

It's incredible.

I mean, you can see the rear end of that deer, which is created later as well.

Those dots nearby and that other weird symbol to the right of it.

I mean, it's amazing.

So explain the process of the obtaining of ochre and making something on the wall.

Right.

So potentially that ladder was made with a type of ochre that originated from 20 kilometers from where they were and it dates to 6,000 years.

And we found ochre in the cave on the floor, which also came from there.

And which suggests that that ochre on the floor was used by these people to create that particular pattern.

And then you can join the dots and there you go.

You have more and more of a story.

Fascinating.