Tristan Redman

Se on tällainen suuri kampi, josta näyttää, että olet menossa Mad Maxin kautta. Puhutaan, että olet yleensä rannassa ympäröivällä koneella, jossa on iso kone, koska se on niin epävarmuuskohtainen. Ja se on vain, kun puhutaan ympäröivällä.

Hold up, Josh. You see, ISIS is running the camp on the inside. What do you mean by that? So whether they would admit it to you or not, if you are a Syrian soldier at this moment, and you wanted to walk into certain parts of this camp, you would be taking your life in your hands. I mean, when I was there a while ago, in one week, I think there were two people murdered inside this camp. They are camps where they have found makeshift weapons, knives, but also guns. It is very lawless in these parts of these camps.

Kuinka monia ihmisiä puhutte sisällä näistä kampoista? Se riippuu siitä, missä menetetään. Konservatiiviset arvot käsittelevät, että noin 10 000 ihmisiä, joilla on noin 52 kansaa, pysyvät edelleen Syyliassa. Ja näistä ihmisistä teemme paljon erilaisia asioita. Puhutaan tästä enemmän, Josh. Tämä asia, mitä pitäisi tehdä sisällä ihmisistä. Olet sanonut, että sisällä on niin monia ulkomaalaisia, joiden sisällä on noin 52 kansaa.

Joten tässä on suuri ero siitä, mitä on poliittisesti hyväksyttävää ja mitä turvallisuusasiantuntijat kertovat, että se pitäisi tapahtua. Kukaan ei käsittele, että nämä ihmiset ovat vaikeita. Mutta jos meidän ajatus ja tavoitteemme on turvallisuus, niin tämä ei ole seuraavaa. Ja turvallisuusasiantuntijat kertovat, että se ei ole seuraavaa. Ja tässä on aika iso ympäristö.

America has been quite good at repatriations. I followed the story very closely of a lady called Sam Sally, which is our series one of our podcast, who is an American woman who says she was tricked into going to ISIS.

So you knew in 2014 that Musa wanted to join ISIS, categorically? Yes. I knew that he wanted to. I thought I had him talked out of it. I thought his family had him talked out of it as well. Then after that, although you think you've talked him out of it, you begin a process of smuggling tens of thousands of dollars of gold and cash out of the country to Hong Kong, making multiple trips. Yeah? Right. Yes.

So you have supported terrorism then? Yeah. You know, America took her and her kids back, put her in prison, rehabilitated the kids. What's the best thing about being home? Everything. Just everything. Like, there isn't a best part. And they have had great success at doing that with her and others. Yeah, there isn't... It's just being here is nice.

I was texting with a former ISIS woman by the name of Noelle just before coming into this studio. She's back in Holland. She was brought back, put into prison. Her case went for review, and it was found that she was likely a victim of a coercive relationship, and the charges against her were dropped, and she's now back with her kids. Then there's England. And England has brought back...

Some people quietly, often children and women. But predominantly what the view has been is that we leave them in Syria. Where this gets interesting is that is the status quo that's been maintained to now. But in just the last few weeks, Damascus under President Al-Shara has been trying to reconcile the country after, you know, more than a decade of civil war. Mm-hmm.

I think when that happens, Syria will move towards a position of asking nations to take their former citizens home. At that point it becomes a very difficult and unpalatable thing to think about what politicians in this country are going to do, and indeed around the world. What's really interesting about Donald Trump is on this issue he has been consistent largely in telling nations to take their former citizens home.

That's such a curiosity to hear, Josh, because here on the domestic front we hear President Trump talk about possible denaturalization of U.S. citizens. And there's been so much unrest and turmoil, as I'm sure you're familiar with, around issues of migration. And it's really striking to hear you say that he's putting pressure on other countries to repatriate some of these people in the ISIS prison camps.

Tietysti ensimmäisen ajan se oli suuri ongelma hänen kanssaan, kun se tuli siltä, että hän pitäisi pitää sivuja Syyassa. Hän ei halunnut jatkaa sivuja Syyassa. Jossain vaiheessa hän pohti muutamia sivuja. Ja kun nämä kampit ovat olemassa, niin siltä on jotain tarvetta, että Yhdysvallat saa sivuja sieltä.

Josh, you mentioned that while these camps are operating, there's a need for a U.S. military presence. And earlier you spoke about pro-ISIS supporters almost kind of running amok in some of these camps. Can you just talk me through who runs these camps and why the United States is involved?

Let me back up for a minute because I'm conscious that it can be a very tangled picture if you're new to the subject. When ISIS's caliphate emerged, Syria was in a state of civil war. It was governed by the dictator Bashar al-Assad and

It wasn't until 2019 that that so-called ISIS caliphate was defeated. And the way that that was done was the US government basically didn't want to put a lot of boots on the ground, neither did the Brits themselves. So they empowered a sort of militia, if you will. And that militia, known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, was made up of predominantly Kurds, but also Arabs as well.

He olivat suurin piirtein meidät alapuolella isojen taisteluun. He vahvistivat kalafaita meille, joiden avulla, mutta he vahvistivat kalafaita meille. Jos sanoit meidät, Josh, tarkoitatko globaalista koalitiota isojen taisteluun? Tietysti. Kaikki valtio, joka tunnusti, että tämä terroristaite ei ole enää olemassa. Sen jälkeen he olivat maailman jäljit isojen taisteluun.

The US and the UK and others to some degree provided nominal support to the Syrian democratic forces to maintain that situation. Now fast forward to December 2024 and the now president al-Shara topples Assad and he takes control.

One of the key things that he's been trying to do is unify the country. Part of that unification process involves the areas that have been controlled by the Syrian Democratic Forces, predominantly Kurdish group, coming under his control.

The fighting between the Syrian army and the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces in Aleppo has killed six people and injured 19 others. Up until recently the Kurdish-led SDF controlled about a quarter of the country in the northeast. But over the last week that has shrunk considerably as government forces have advanced. The Syrian government and Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces say they've agreed to a comprehensive ceasefire deal.

Ja mitä on tapahtunut viimeisenä viikolla, on se, että amerikkalainen hallitus, joka pitäsi syrjinnän demokraattisia vahvoja, kuitenkin tuli ylös ja sanoi, että tämä sopimus on nyt loppunut. Ja kaikkein tärkein asia syrjinnän tulevaisuudessa on yhdistetty syrjintä. Ja he ovat nyt erittäin muuttaneet fokusi suhteen Damascusiin. Ja se on mielenkiintoista, koska jos katsot esim. Lindsey Grahama... Suomalaisen republikaanisen senaattorin.