Trita Parsi

Exactly.

And we're also gonna have to reckon with our role in this.

Yeah, we made it possible.

And it started under Biden, of course, and Biden explicitly, well, I don't know if he used the term, but they said that the strategy they had was to bear hug Israel, give it everything it wants,

and as a result of that, have leverage to be able to constrain the Israelis.

It's a completely nonsensical and idiotic approach.

First of all, it presumes that the US doesn't have leverage with Israel unless it first gives Israel everything it wants.

The United States has tremendous amount of leverage with Israel.

It's just that we don't have politicians with the backbone to use that leverage.

But the idea that once you've given them everything, suddenly they would not go and act as recklessly as they did is of course also nonsensical.

It was obvious that if we never imposed any cost in which the Biden administration even lied to Congress, Tony Blinken lied to Congress about the fact that the State Department itself had concluded in their reports that the Israelis were violating international law in a manner that would, according to US law, not make them eligible for military support any longer.

but lied to Congress and said that that was not the case, that they have not come to any such finding.

Whereas in reality they had, but they suppressed those reports.

And you had several people resigning, of course, from the administration.

Not as many as I wish have seen.

In fact, I think it was a big point of shame for the Democratic Party that there were so few of them.

And we're gonna see the reckoning of that in the Democratic Party, I hope, because whatever yet happens, whether they win in 2028 or not, there's gonna have to be a reckoning.

There's gonna be people rising up in that party and their challenge to the existing leadership is very much gonna center on Gaza.

And the fact that the DNC report- Because it's a conversation, Ander.

Yeah, exactly.