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And so the later Glass work was done in conjunction with a Chicago percussion group called Third Coast who Phil's worked with a lot and who he trusts to do iterations, if you will, on the work.

And we iterated with a flute.

Flutes don't do this.

flutes do this so we put a stream on top of that that's in the music i mean iterations are a study in and of themselves right what makes something different from and yet still the same as good luck with that one uh but that that was the different range i dare say if you go and look at because third coast is produced a recording of this work you listen to slacktide

And then tell me your response to Glass.

But basically minimalism took the lyric element and reduced it to just the temporal passage in time.

See, I think that's true of your other art forms too.

I think you're confusing, forgive me, knowledge with instinct.

I mean, instinctively you're responding to the humor, but instinctively a piece of art can reach you, but you can be baffled by it.

But we don't like confusion, so we might call that something we should learn about before we can acknowledge liking it.

That's one of the things that is, I think, really difficult and something I think a lot about, which is not only protecting but refining instinct.

I know.

It's fascinating, isn't it?

I can't tell you about it because I could be writing a book.

Right.

Phil's on the cusp of the avant-garde.

The avant-garde is

is a smug place to be and can be very aggravating and can also be not that bright and very indulgent.

There might have been some sense of that to it.

The avant-garde can confuse itself with originality and vice versa.