Twyla Tharp

and that the rope coordination, the stamina being involved, the power coming off the punch, the grounding of the body so that you had a punch, the willingness to take the blow in exchange for the unwillingness to go down.

You would not go down.

You're not going down.

And we don't do that in dance.

So I figured, well, I'll go where they do do that.

So Teddy, we were running steps backwards.

This is a very good thing.

I mean, you know, and shadowboxing, it's a great, great training format.

Well, probably.

I was training in a real weight gym with competitive weightlifters and was very serious.

from the time I was probably in my 50s until mid-60s, say, and that you were nobody in that gym if you didn't do your body weight for three on the bench.

I mean, you know, what are you in here for, right?

So it had that kind of requirement to it, which is very encouraging if you want to lift heavy weight and also snap pneumonia, right?

which is like, okay, I actually never did that.

But the jolt of pulling more weight off the ground than you really can do or you have ever done really does send a rush to the body that is unique.

Oh, I don't know about that.

I mean, you just do it day in, day out.

And I wasn't, you know, you can't train day in, day out.

But training rigorously and continuously for probably eight or ten years, yeah.

All of the above.