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Tyler Crowe

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Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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And we had a couple of people write in specifically about a couple of companies.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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But I wanted to hit this one first, because this one just absolutely tugged at my heartstrings, because it's an esoteric balance sheet question.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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And it comes from Shannon.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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And the question is, Starbucks and Domino's Pizza currently have negative stockholder equity.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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Would you please address how an investor might interpret negative stockholder equity in a company and whether it's a sign of poor capital allocation?

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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Guys, I think I'm in love, but just give me a minute for here.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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And I'm going to explain this because this is kind of like wonky balance sheet stuff that I love to get into.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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You can basically have negative equity for two reasons.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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You can lose money over time and have negative retained earnings.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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You have unprofitable companies for a long time.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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But you can also have negative retained earnings and negative equity if, for example, a company buys back a lot of its stock or pays a generous dividend.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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Because dividends are not retained earnings and bought back stock is called treasury stock and it goes against the earnings of a company.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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So if you buy back more stock than you earn and retain in earnings, you can actually dwindle down the equity in the company to the point of zero.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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As you mentioned, Domino's is a version of this, and Starbucks is a version of this, and there's several other companies too.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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I think it's either Moody's or MSCI, both companies that have negative shareholder equity, because they've done so much to reward shareholders with buybacks and dividends that they don't have shareholder equity anymore.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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When you see this, you have to look at it as whether or not the company is doing it because they're unprofitable or because they're throwing a bunch of cash back to its investors.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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In this case, I would say,

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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at least in Domino's and Starbucks' case, over time, it's been good capital allocation because they have been able to enhance shareholder returns through buybacks and dividends to knock down the equity.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
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So I hope that answers your question.