Tyler Gray

He did everything that's gone. It's like talking to Eli is like watching the movie Memento. It was funny because I remember thinking, wow.

Yeah, tattoo that. Cody's intro is done. I just wrote the note for him.

It's like aliens. And it's like, you know, he's like on the drop ship.

Not yet. Is that still a thing? They were talking about it for a while. I don't know if they did that. They were talking about it for a while.

i i've i i had worked with aj for probably a year and then he starts posting clips of stuff he's done i'm like i know like i remember that that was you dude looks he's like gary oldman he looks completely different in each role like completely doesn't even look like himself right now like i multiple right dude he he could show you the the role he did on um on the uh drugs Yeah, Entourage.

You did Entourage?

That's him. He starts posting stuff. I'm like, I didn't even know that was you. Yeah, dude, he crushed it. He looks very different in each role. I mean, in CSI New York, he's a nerd. He's literally a computer nerd.

I'll tell you why they don't, because everyone would get one. You'd come out and be like, I don't remember anything.

So, AJ, you know, I'll tell this story. So when I show up on the show, I'm sorry, on Siltyn. Dude, I said, they're like, hey, can you, they called me up on like a Wednesday and they're like, hey, can you be in New Orleans on Friday? You know, for, I think it was six weeks. And I was like, oh shit, man. You know, like I, and I had to move a lot of stuff around at that time.

I literally, I actually quit a job to go work on sale team, which is a whole story in itself. But. Dude, they're hitting me up for like... I'm figuring out my life. I literally quit a really good job to go do this, which was a huge risk, by the way. Which I'll just tell that story very quickly because I think it's important. I got called. I wanted to work in Hollywood.

And, you know, I got a big movie when they called for Squad. They're like, hey, can you leave? Which one? The first one. I'm so sorry. Oh, dude, it was actually awesome. They... So I'm friends with David who directed the air who directed it. I mean, what we shot was an awesome movie. What was edited was not an awesome.

Yeah. But I'm telling you right now, I was there for six months filming. What we shot was awesome. A very good movie. What was edited? What was shot was not a comedy.

I know it's shocking, but what was shot was a lot of good stuff. I mean, dude, they could have edited an entire movie of just Joker and Harley Quinn. They had enough footage to just do an entire movie with them. There's actually a scene, by the way, that I'm in that you don't know it, but the scene where the Joker goes into Harley Quinn's Harley Quinn's cell.

There's a guy that opens, excuse me, the door. I like the tail end of the movie. Yeah. It's a very, I think it's actually the last scene where there's a guy in a gas mask. He opens the door for a Joker. Joker goes in and then he guards the door. That's me wearing a gas mask. I couldn't, I had to have a gas mask because I'm actually in the movie as a good guy. So I couldn't also be a bad guy.

But anyways, I just did that. Anyways, dude, there was a lot of good, there was a lot of dialogue in that scene. Just, That disappeared. But that scene was shot for like, you know, an hour on screen. And it's, you know, 30 seconds in the movie. Anyways, when I got that job offer, call me up. Hey, six months in Toronto. Can you leave in three days? And I'm like... So it was a big life decision.

I'm like, this is the direction I want to go. So I dropped everything and made some pretty serious ramifications to the relationship I was in at the time. And it was like, this is the direction I want to go. And I left and I got, I ended up technically getting SEAL Team that call directly from that. SEAL Team happens. And again, I get a call. Can you leave in a couple of days for six weeks?

I had a really good job at the time. And I was just like, man, I gotta, I gotta try. I got to try. And so I quit that job and ended up going. My whole point of this is, dude, if something is what you want to do in life, no matter how good what you have is, you got to reach for the thing that you want to do.

And I can tell you it was those two decisions were the debatably two of the best decisions I've made in my life was letting go of what I had to try and grab on to what I want.

You know, um, and everyone at this table, no, I, I know everyone here agrees with that, but I want to say it to the audience because if those decision points come up in your life, go, just go. Don't be scary as fuck. It's going to be scary. Don't think too hard. Go reach out towards what you want. And you can definitely fail. Like you could hit up, but you'll never regret it.

No, no, you can fuck it up, but when that opportunity comes up again, try it again. So the story I was going to tell is, dude, during that decision time when I'm like, I'm trying to like, I'm like making major changes to my life, I'm getting a text twice a fucking day saying, from the damn producer going, hey, AJ Buckley really wants to talk to you. He's ready to go.

He's looking forward to talking to a military guy. Can you take a shooting? I'm like, dude, I haven't even agreed to do the fucking job yet. And they're just like, man, he's ready to go. I literally got 10 or 12 texts. before I even agreed to fly.

It was bananas, but I show up, man, and yeah, AJ and I just started rocking and rolling. Yeah, we hit it off.

Yeah, no, no, it was History Channel, sorry.

He actually knew who I was.

Did you just say porridge?

That's... That was our joke term for it was the CQB AT4, which is actually a really cool design. It's got a water thing of water in the back. So it basically goes off and the counter charge blows back water. It's a pretty sweet design. That's pretty fucking neat.

That's why they call it a hot toddy. It's a hot toddler.

Anything historical is actually not random. Because of him. You literally, am I correct in saying you literally have a degree in history?

He's got an intense historical knowledge. Autism. Try to.

There's a guy. What is his name? He's a famous gunfighter. He was one of them. He's my favorite. I got to remember what his name is. Oh, my God. I'm going to look it up. He got drafted. I think he volunteered, actually, for the American War. He was Irish, and he became this, like, I think it's... I'm going to look it up. Go ahead. Sorry.

Wait, is this history?

The great American pastime. I'm sorry, I didn't know if this was current or historical. I got confused. I was like, wait a minute, are we talking about today? History repeats itself.

No, I'll tell you exactly why that episode did well. It was because he put the title, Military Secrets? Question mark, question mark. That's where it came from. With the Delta logo.

It's close to the Civil War. Oh, wow.

The government waste is unfathomable. It's like the military. Tyler, what would you know about government?

I always tell people, I'm like, dude, look, you can say what you want, but I work for the government. I know how absolutely insane it is. I've flown on planes with millions of dollars of cash that were just freaking going where? I have no idea. It's crazy to me. The stuff I... So that episode that we did with the... Yeah, I said it when we were on the plane.

Remember I said I was like... What a fucking crazy thing to say. I was like, I never flew with this much money, but remember you and I were talking about it. But my point being is just what I saw personally, not what I've heard or heard secondhand, let alone thirdhand, just what I've seen personally in Afghanistan and Iraq, it's the craziest. It's just... we hand out money like it's water.

It's crazy, crazy, crazy. And I mean, it's, it's absolutely ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. And, uh, you know, I am very happy with, you know, somebody coming in, uh, to, you know, reduce the, just the absolute waste because it's taxpayer money and that's not okay.

Was he speaking from the Canadian perspective? Yes. Yeah. Oh, that changes things.

I mean, I remember being a kid and like buying books. I'll just give you an example. You buy a book or a toy, you know, at least when I was younger, it was always like this. Everything you buy had an actual price tag on it. Right. And on the price tag was cost. And then C, Canadian. I just remember being a kid and being like, well, I'm glad I don't live there. Like everything's 20% more.

California in the 80s and the 90s. Yeah, in the early 2000s. California was the best. California was awesome. I grew up in Bakersfield, though, by the way. Bakersfield, California is basically, if Bakersfield, California switched places with Austin, Texas, the United States would make sense, more sense. Because it's true. You mean little LA? Dude, Bakersfield is the country music capital of,

other than Nashville. So it's like Bakersfield, Buck Owens, Dwight Yoakam, all those things. So it's like Bakersfield was like Texas and California. The oil industry was one of the main reasons why. But I used to go to the Long's drugstore and there was a pistol counter from here to the wall. It was huge. It was just a very different place. And just seeing what California has become in the last

No way. Like brazen. Dude, this is a true story. So I got invited to go run a booth. This is 2013, 14, I don't know. At IWA. Do you guys know what IWA is? Yep. It was like the German SHOT Show. And it was a very advanced pistol that I was at the booth for. And it was pretty cool. It was a pretty revolutionary design. Anyways, I was there. What was it?

20 years is just, it's honestly sad.

There's an edge that comes over you where you're like... We used to film... A lot of people don't know this, but I'll tell you. It's a fact. We filmed... A third, which is a lot. We filmed 130-something episodes of SEAL Team. Debatably, a third of those were filmed in downtown LA, which you wouldn't expect. But we filmed about a third of those in downtown LA. And, dude, we filmed in so bad.

areas. Like we filmed in an alley where they like throwing shit on us. Like literal human. It was, it was crazy. I mean, we we've, we've seen quite a lot of things, but dude, we'd film in areas that, you know, security would have to ask where you, you know, to the car, it was that bad. And dude, downtown was just out of control.

Skid Row. And not the 80s band. No. Much better. Great band. 18 and Life, classic.

Eli, you need Narc as an arcade game in here. Oh, yeah, that's a good arcade game to put in the background. You, like, shoot him, and the freaking money and drugs are falling on him.

It's literally that bad. Dude, everything changed. I mean, look, it was on a decline, but dude, COVID is when everything, hard, hard change. I mean, it changed overnight, you know.

Well, at the time, it was the Strike 1, the Arsenal Strike 1, which has a revolutionary feature, but they screwed up a lot of things. The pistol's been, now it's being made by, I think a friend of mine actually bought the rights to it. But anyways, it's a very revolutionary design if you look at the way that the gun works. It's got a low borax. Actually, the lowest there is.

like generational restaurants that were just gone with it but i mean the homeless stuff was out of control but again it wasn't that you know suddenly the restaurant owners are on the street it was that what they were tolerating and i'll tell you the the craziest thing and again people can say whatever they want i was there i saw it yeah i was there when they changed i think you had already left i was there when they changed the law to allow the under thousand dollar oh yes

Oh, yeah. And I think it was in Albertsons. Don't quote me on that. But I think it was in Albertsons in... What was the name of the area I lived in? Studio City. So it was in Albertsons and Studio City on the corner of Ventura. And I forget the other. Albertsons is like a grocery store? Yeah, yeah. It's Safeway. Same. Same thing. Normal grocery store. Not super cheap. Not high end.

Just a normal grocery store. So they just changed the law. I was there. And again, I'm not exaggerating what I'm about to say. Dude, you just see person after person come in. Grab a handful of food and just straight walk out.

Dude, not run. Not even be... I mean, chill as a cucumber. Grab a freaking... Grab a thing of food and just walk out. And I remember seeing it for the first time and being like, you know, wait, what? You know, like my brain's processing. And then I figure out what it is. And then I started getting like, dude... And again, I... I wanted to, like, hurt them. You know what I mean?

But then you'll get arrested. Then you'll get arrested. And it was like this weird struggle that I had where I wanted to do them physical harm, which, by the way, I know is not the correct action to somebody just stealing food.

It was really frustrating.

You know, because they couldn't you couldn't as a person stop. And a guy tried to pass this law in California, which, to be fair, I do understand what his thing was. He didn't want it was a law which got a lot of shit. But I actually agree with the guy's intent. And even though it was a horrible idea, but his intent was to pass a law so that.

uh, bosses wouldn't force employees that weren't security people to stop theft, which made it, it was like, but he went about it in a very stupid way, which was it made it like illegal for non-security people to stop theft, which was a horrible idea. But again, I, I do. when stupid, you know, politicians, you know, I look at the intent. There's none of those. Yeah.

What a hot take. So that one, I'm like, okay, I see the intent. You know, it's, it wasn't a ridiculous intent, but it's ridiculous in how it's going to freaking famously road to heaven paved with good intentions. Exactly. Exactly. And so, you know, it's just like, dude, my, you know, in the past I used to, uh, In the early 2000s, I used to have to go to Portland.

Dude, Portland used to be a beautiful, beautiful city. I used to race there. Oh, dude, it's done.

Anyways, and the way it's got a rotating locking block. It's a pretty cool, pretty unique design. And so I'm working at the booth, and I'm showing how it works. I got my little spiel, and this dude comes up, obviously Chinese. How could you tell? So I've been quite extensively throughout Asia. I've been around Asia. I'm pretty good at wrecking. I can tell the difference. I put it this way.

That is a dude taking lemons and making lemonade right there. Good on you. I will... rent out property in California because the laws are so disproportionately weighted to the tenants.

Literally across the street.

Oh, you don't need to post bail, nor are you going to jail.

If you want to see some fun videos. So I live currently.

I live currently in Orange County. Look it up. It's insanity. It's called Catch and Release. So if you want to look up, that's Catch and Release. Everyone's mad right now. That's Catch and Release.

Well, he used to be Border Patrol. Dude, when we were in Columbia, this is a true story, when we were in Columbia filming, which was in spring, right? April? Yeah, April. It just so happened, which like, what are the odds? We're in Columbia filming, and it just so happened, I start seeing these dudes, and I'm like, you know, same recognize same. I'm like... I'm like, these aren't normal gringos.

I'm like, these are federales, right? And I just start seeing these guys. I'm like, dude, these guys are in government. You know what I mean? I could just tell. So we finally approached them. Turns out that while we happen to be in Columbia, the whole cast is at this hotel. They're having this, and I mean, we're talking FBI, DEA, agency, every three-letter agency, NSA.

All the guys that were there at Jan 6th. They're all there.

I can tell the difference between Hong Kongese and mainland Chinese. So I'm pretty skilled. So you're like super racist. I'm super good at it.

They're having a, what's it called? They're having a conference to basically try and figure out what to do with the border. And this is in, again, this is, this is in April. So it's like, there's stuff on the news, but like no one knows, you know, it hadn't really all come out yet. And I just went up to him. I was like, Hey dudes, you know, You sniffed him out. Yeah, and I started talking to him.

I'm like, hey, like, no shit. What's going on right now? Like, legitimately. And they're like, bro, like, this is what's, forget all the politics and everything. This is what is happening. And basically, they're like, all the, and it was, oh, sorry, let me be clear. We're in Columbia. We're not in Mexico. We're in Columbia.

And what it was, because through the Colombian channel and through everything, it was the cartels were bringing all this, not just drugs, but actual terrorists through. And that's what the conference was, was trying to figure out a solution. And the Venezuelan gangs would come through. And it was probably also talking about the Venezuelan gangs at that time.

And he was just like, this is what's happening. And so I was like, okay, it's officially going on, not unofficially.

It never makes anything. And that's what they told me in April. So, like, I knew then from, you know, the horse's mouth, they're like, this is what is actually happening. It's not being reported. You know, here's why, blah, blah, blah. And it was really interesting. It's eye-opening on how much is not.

And we weren't talking, like, politics. We were just talking, you know, bros, you know. Yeah, it was good. Let me tell you an FBI story, by the way. I don't think I told this one last time.

So I'm like, look at this guy. I'm like, this is definitely mainland Chinese. This is not even Hong Kongese. And basically, dude, you bust out this camera and just starts like taking photos. And I mean like taking it apart photos. And I came over and I was like, what? He didn't even speak English enough to like tell me what he was doing. And I literally had to get security to get him away.

Just hanging out. So this is before. This is during. I was doing some training stuff there. Nothing secret or ninja, it's a long explanation to explain it. And so anyways, I was there at the FBI Academy and they had a graduation happening at the FBI Academy.

So I go to the FBI Academy or I go to the, I was at the Academy and they're doing, I forget why I was there, but it was at night and it's like they had their graduation and now it's literally they're like after party for all these new FBI agents. And there's like, you know, 50 of them, I don't know. And dude, they're doing karaoke.

And like, I just sat there and they're like getting hammered and doing FBI agent karaoke, all brand new agents. And I'm just like watching them get up and do karaoke. And I'm like, I'm never going to be able to take the FBI seriously. I'm just watching them all hammered, like, fucking slobbering all over each other. My graduation was weird.

I remember the songs, but I just remember seeing, like, all these, like...

They do that on their own. I'll tell you another FBI story because it's really funny. I don't think I told this last time, but this is a true FBI story.

Well, this one's great. So I was with a good buddy of mine, Jack Osborne. And I was guarding. We just talked about him. We were just talking about Jack. Jack's a great dude.

Two hours ago.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I will tell that story. What the f***?

I'll tell them both quickly. No, take your time! Please elaborate in f***ing detail.

But he was going around just taking guns apart and just taking, you know, every 400 images of photos so they can recreate it.

So Jack's like, hey, dude. And I'd been friends with Jack. Actually, Jack and I were roommates. I moved into his guest house for like, I don't know, a year and a half and lived in his guest house.

Great guy. I mean, dude, Jack can tell you some stories. I mean, Jack was, you know, partying at like 14 years old on Sunset with Paris Hilton. Dude, he's got some crazy stories. He put it this way. He was in rehab at 18. What? Literally.

But, um, so Jack's like, Hey dude, you want to, you want to come, you know, guard Aussie or, you know, my dad and I for the show that they were doing called the world detour, which I don't know if you ever saw it. It was a great show on Nat Geo, I believe. Don't quote me on it. Maybe discovery. I don't remember.

And basically it was just them doing, it's just Jack and Aussie drive around basically doing, um, Learning history and kind of doing cool stuff. I don't know how else to describe it. And Ozzy, by the way, Ozzy is a huge military history fanatic, by the way. Like, Ozzy loves military history. I remember showing up one time, Ozzy opens the door, and he's like, I wasn't... Vietnam and HD.

He's like, I'm watching Vietnam and HD. And we go inside and Jack and I watch freaking Vietnam and HD for like four hours with Ozzy. And like, he knew his stuff. But anyways, so I was like, sure, dude, I'll come. And, you know, I was doing bodyguard.

You should absolutely have Jack on the show. He can tell you stories that blow your mind. Jack and Ozzy, more than welcome on. White Sabbath. White Sabbath. So, um, so basically freaking the, I'll tell the Mars one cause it's pretty crazy. So when the, the guy who ran, uh, what's it called? Uh, Houston, Houston, we have a problem.

NASA, the guy who ran NASA at Houston, I guess was a huge black Sabbath fan. So somehow they got in contact.

Operation paperclip. That's more on the covert. So, uh,

So he invites Ozzy and Jack to Houston to the NASA, you know, whatever the space center, I think it's called the NASA Space Center down there. Basically, carte blanche. Do whatever you want and film it. So they do all kinds of stuff. We got a great tour. Jack and I literally talked to an astronaut for like two hours. It was awesome. It was a great, I learned a lot.

Well, one of the things they had Ozzy do was drive the Mars rover. And I'm not joking. They put Ozzy Osbourne in control of the Mars rover.

Oh, no, no. It's here, right?

No, no, no. That's a sweet joke.

I believe it was called the Mars Rover. If it wasn't, then... But it's this vehicle built for Mars. It's not a... It's a drivable... It's actually more like... We can look it up on the episode or you guys can, but it's basically the Mars truck. It was a truck designed for Mars when humans are there.

No, no, no, not the Curiosity. I think they called it the Mars rover. You sit it and drive it. Yeah, but it's actually like an SUV, Mars SUV. I forget what the name was. And they basically had built, you know, and outside they'd built this, you know, four football field size area that had red dust and rocks and it looks like Mars. And obviously, you know, they built it. So they put Ozzy in there.

Now the best part is I'm staying, I'm not in the vehicle. In the vehicle is like the guy who knew the vehicle the best, Ozzy and Jack, right? They're all mic'd up. We're, you know, 200 yards away.

And I'm standing with like six engineer straight up nerds from NASA, right? That like built the thing. And the producer and, you know, a couple other people. And we're listening. We can hear everything. And it's like, yeah, so this vehicle is incapable of getting stuck.

and that's the thing is this whole sequence was like it was planned i was there dude this sequence was not planned they were like it's it's it's like the unsinkable molly brown this this vehicle cannot get stuck etc it's got

six wheels each one's independent suspension each one has its own front and reverse and they just they're going on about how what an engineering marvel this vehicle is right and so i can just picture aussie's like okay challenge accepted right and these engineers are like whispering yeah yeah he's gonna you know there's nothing it's it's unstoppable it's the best thing ever and they're just whispering in the background some they let and that guy drives around a little bit then they give the controls for aussie i shit you not

For whatever fucking reason, these guys put in this area a rock as big as this fucking table.

Now, Ozzy starts driving about 100 yards away from it. How fast does this thing go? Not fast, but not slow. It's like maybe 15 miles an hour. Bicycle speed. Fast enough for you to know where this is going. I'm watching it drive, and it just occurs to me, he's going to head straight for that fucking rock. Now, it's also pretty obvious to me that no one had ever headed straight for that rock.

It's there as like, hey, that's an obstacle, obviously drive around it. No one's like, that rock is not there for you to drive around. It's obviously that everyone goes around it, you would obviously go around it. You tell Ozzy that thing can go over anything, he's going to freaking go over anything. So he's driving straight at it.

And it occurs to me, I'm like, oh shit, this is not going to work out well. The engineers in behind me, as it gets about 50 yards away, are like, he's not. No, no. And I'm like, oh yes, he is. Dude, he hits that thing straight on. It starts going up and you just start hearing the whispering. Oh, it'll be fine. Yeah. Oh, this is going to take that. No one's ever went over that before.

Yeah, but it's designed for it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he freaking goes up on it and then he gets on top of it and then nothing. And dude, the panic starts very slowly. It's like one engineer going, it'll be off in a second. It'll be off in a few seconds, right? And it just starts building.

And like over the course of a minute, you just hear these engineers go from like absolute confidence to absolute panic. They're like, oh my God, no way did he like, and by the way, I'm missing a piece I should have said in the beginning. In the beginning, it, I forget how much, but it was like a crazy amount of money, like $5 billion, right? that they had spent on this vehicle, right?

Oh my God. So we probably got beheaded.

It was an insane amount of money, right? Dude, these guys just start freaking out. He's on it for, you know, I don't know. I just have to watch the episode. He's on it for like two minutes and ain't moving at all. And it's this huge boulder. It looks ridiculous. It's just like balanced on top of it. Meanwhile, one of the Doge guys is watching this podcast just like...

No go, right? And so long story short, they finally freaking, you know, he has to give control over to the engineer and that guy like adjust the pressure, deflates the timing. He literally was on there for like three minutes and finally he got it off. But dude, like Ozzy stuck the Mars freaking rover. No doubt about it. I watched it happen. It was a great episode, dude. You got to see it.

So the FBI story real quick.

You know, the ones we have. That was all in buildup, right? All right, so the FBI story is we're at the FBI, so somehow Jack and the producers convince them to go to the FBI. Again, a random. So I'm at the FBI Academy again. This is what, like Quantico? Yeah, Quantico, yeah.

Yeah, you can go anywhere. We're all choice here.

Redacted. We're at the FBI Academy, and they're doing all this different stuff. They showed some history stuff, the guns, all this. And now we're at the, which is pretty famous, which is the FBI's quote-unquote Hogan's Alley, right? So it's like their little tactical training portion. which is very world-renowned, right?

And so their shooting instructor starts, or this guy starts doing this briefing and he's like, yeah, so, you know, this is our Hogan's Alley. Basically, they were showing like the FBI's training process, right? And they start saying like, okay, so this is our Hogan's Alley. It's very famous. And this is like the hardest part of the shooting call for the FBI, which is true, or at least I'm told.

And then he's like, you know, and this is our lead shooting instructor, right? Now here's a huge mistake that he made. He's like, this is our leading shooting instructor. He is the best shooter at the FBI. Like he's the lead shooting instructor. Nobody could beat him. He's just amazing. And I don't mind.

You're not for off. So then they go, you know, who here? Now we're going to do a little bit of training. Who here wants to volunteer? Well, it's Jack and Ozzie are the only two people on the show. So Ozzie's like, Jack.

It was pretty obvious to me that no one on the show briefed the FBI that Jack is a great shooter. He's a really good shooter. I've shot with Jack a million times. In fact, Jack and I, that's how we met. We met shooting on the range. Jack is a really legit shooter.

Me?

Oh, I don't know. I literally used to shoot a thousand rounds a day. That's no joke. When it was free.

I used to shoot a thousand rounds a day. Yeah, that's true.

If they were smart over the episode, they should have played crazy train over the freaking thing. They could have got the license. So basically obvious, it was obvious to me that no one told the FBI that Jack is like a really good shooter. So, you know, Jack's like, Oh, you know, I'll do it.

And I mean, dude, if you could have seen the, it's on camera, but the FBI, the, the agent that was like the shooting instructors, dude, he was just so,

so confident you know what I mean like oh this Hollywood you know music royalty rich kid I'm gonna smoke this guy he's like so they get Sims pistol Sims right oh and they're doing for again we I got to watch the episode I don't remember exactly but I'm sitting there oh here's a critical part for the sake of the audience Simi

So it's a—I believe they were using Glock 19s, if I remember correctly, using—it was either Sims or FTX for its workforce. I don't remember. But it's basically shooting a paint—a plastic paint bullet, for lack of a better term. So the gun is— And they fucking— They do hurt, but they function. It's a real gun. Just has a Sims barrel. Um, and obviously Sims bullets. Right.

And, uh, which have a generally a, well, it's a unique casing, but it's a plastic bullet with paint in the plastic and, um, or a variation depending on the brand. So, um, They get the guy and I'm with the lead producer and I just like see this and I just saw, I based everything. First of all, I knew how good Jack was, but I saw the FBI dude, his overconfidence.

And I just went to the producer and I go, mark my words, Jack's going to beat this guy. And they set up four drills and I don't even remember what they are. They do the first one. Dude, out of four drills, again, you know, clock the show for accuracy here. From what I remember, of the four drills, Jack won, I believe, three out of the four.

And the one, if I'm not mistaken, that the FBI agent won, he cheated. He's so mad. How'd he cheat? He shot back. I'm trying to remember, but he did something that wasn't in the rules. I don't remember what it was, but it was like, I don't remember what it was. I remember watching it and being like, that wasn't in the rules, right?

But this, again, the one he won, after he lost, then he started getting panicking and worried, and then he started cheating. But the other part is, the other best part is, one of the four drills, I think on one of the ones he lost, the FBI agent shot the cameraman. Oh. Yeah, with Sims, with the Sims bullet. Pulled a regular Alec Baldwin.

Dear God. How did he shoot the cameraman? Miss Jack went wide and shot the cameraman. Super easy when you have it done. Jack crushed him in the drills. And again, I don't even remember exactly what they are, but Jack crushed him. And I was just like... I was like, dude, this guy had no idea what he was getting into. Dude, Jack trains a lot. So it was pretty funny.

They really like it when you call them that. I just got back from Taiwan. I was literally there in December, actually. You go everywhere. Yeah, I've been around recently. I hate traveling, but I love it, too.

But that was my... I mean, look, man, it comes down to, it's like, you know, you're talking law enforcement, federal law enforcement. You know, anywhere, in my experience, it's like, dude... You got to be humble. And just because you got three letters behind your name or just because you were at a certain unit or agency or whatever, dude, it doesn't make you better than anyone else.

You know what I mean? Every case, every person, every situation is unique and individual. And, dude, there are good people in, you know, the higher you get to in the more prestigious units or three-letter places, dude, The less bad people there are, but there's still bad people. There's good people and bad people at every unit, every agency, you know, whatever.

And just because you're in a place that maybe has an elite name or title or image, it doesn't make you better than everyone else. And anyone can beat you and there's someone always better.

You'd never know if you didn't know. I know one of my best friends. Dude, he is the baddest dude in the world. He's done everything. That's a... You guys would have no idea. He's just the most chill, non, you know, it's, it's the, the, the people that you think are, um, uh, you know, the, the, the, the, the best among us are the people that you never expect. Warrior's heart owner.

Tom's a machine.

He'd never be the one to tell you. No, Tom is that way. I mean, I was in, you know, in, we were in the same military. Well, yeah. I'm trying to do it.

When you break it down, we were in a smaller unit together, is what I'm trying to say. We high-fived each other in the hallway. Well, a lot of guys you don't see because you're on opposite places and you just never see them. But Tom, he was much closer than other people were. So I saw firsthand. I mean, he's the baddest dude out there.

And again, you would never expect it in a conversation with him. But he's a machine. I did, to be honest though, if I'm being perfectly honest, while I was there, I thought Tom was like, I'm like, this guy's way too chill. Like, dude, Tom is, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I was like, I was like, honestly, I remember back then thinking, man, why is this?

And I, dude, I was young fucking, I was, you know, young moron, but I just remember like, how is this guy so stoic? You know, I remember thinking that back then. And, uh, and then when I was at warrior's heart and I was actually talking to Tom and I've kind of talked to him about it, then I was like, dude, I didn't know. Cause I didn't, I'm like, I didn't know that you got sober.

Like I think in the early 2000s, if I'm not mistaken. So I'm like, I didn't know that about you. And that would have, to me, that kind of solved that stoicism mystery of that time. Like he had already gone through so much personal development, so much personal growth. He was already on like another Zen level.

I feel like we brushed over something that I feel like I need more information on. Kick out a shot show for some horse cum? What?

I hadn't even, not only was I not there, I hadn't even like, I hadn't even been an asshole yet before. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I still had to become an asshole and then achieve, you know, some level of personal growth. He would already been through the whole thing. So, yeah, he's a great dude. He's a super cool dude.

Can I say this real quick, though? Yeah. You've got to understand, he tells me stories. It's not me saying stories that he's like, oh, that's a crazy combat story. I hear his Hollywood stories, bro, and I'm like, that's the craziest shit I've ever heard. My stories are fucking stupid compared to his stories.

He basically lived entourage. Oh, no.

Dude, House in the Hills, you know, eight chicks in the fridge. Like, a single man's dream. Like, dude, he has the craziest stories you've ever heard. Ever heard. And that's why, like, he didn't geek out to my stories. I geeked out to his stories.

Would you tell at least a version of your meeting your wife story? Oh, yeah, yeah, that's easy, yeah. Dude, this story defines it.

What he's not saying is it was a small Stetson.

I'm Turd Ferguson.

In Georgia, yeah.

Very rarely do pilots get picked up.

Yeah, it's fucking cool. 15 by freaking 100 feet.

We're twin brothers.

But they also say, to be perfectly honest with you, dude, I honestly... I told them yesterday. That's fair. I literally didn't know. I just, I thought, this is a true story, no joke. I thought Donut's real name was Brandon Herrera. I had no idea it was two people. I had no idea.

Social media, I just didn't know. I'm very bad at YouTube and all that stuff. I just didn't know. And then when you told me, I was like, oh shit, that makes so much sense.

Well, I had never seen you guys in the same place at the same time. Just saying. Fair enough. Like on a podcast. Yeah, well, I'd only even met him. I'd like seen you once in passing. I'd seen, literally met him once in passing. And I mean, it just wasn't a long enough conversation where I really like, you know...

Wow.

It's like, what else can you do? Yeah, yeah. I mean, kind of the same with him and I. We didn't really see it. And then it happened quite a few times where people would, like, you know, call me AJ or vice versa. And then like he said, we just started going with it and, you know, introducing ourselves as twin brothers.

Jeez. You guys, you guys are pretty, uh, I mean, but you do different things. But I guess you're together sometimes on similar things.

Okay. I have to ask. I have to ask just because I don't know. And I'm literally not saying this jokingly. What do you do for Texas?

Oh, no shit. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Oh man, that's a rough one.

That's crazy. Glock started actually by making knives.

You're like, okay, how about this? Next year, you give me eight and we'll call it a deal. And I just won't run.

Yeah. So interesting story. They first made knives. They still make the Glock knife, but on the Glock knife is a plastic handle that's injection molded. And that's why Gaston Glock's experience with plastic came from making those knives and the plastic scabbards. He was like, I know plastics well. I'm pretty sure I can make a gun out of it.

I actually made a joke. I just realized that I made a joke on the interwebs about this and I just didn't realize it was you. Um, somebody had, I did, I didn't even put it together. It was you, but it was like, I realized now it was like Brandon Herrera for, for Brandon Herrera for ATF director. And then I had, this is probably when I hadn't, I was confused on. And then I looked at it.

I love that guy's top videos. Yeah. I never watch YouTube, so I'm just so bad at it. But so anyways, then I went to your page. I'm like, oh, that's obviously a joke. This guy's a huge 2A guy. So then I went back and I posted, yeah, it would be awesome on his first day that he makes himself unemployed. Yeah. Basically saying abolish the ATF. Yeah. You know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. On his first day, he makes himself unemployed. That's the end goal. Yeah, that's funny.

I mean, dude, the ATF, I, you know, I've had an interesting experience with the ATF. Like, you know, I've been interviewed by them twice on actually three times, but on just like random stuff with, it's just crazy what, you know, someone says something and the ATF is like, Hey, you know, like, what's the deal with this? And you're like, I don't even know what you're talking about.

But, um, what's interesting to me about the ATF is like, I, I've, each time I've had to talk to them in my experience with them, as long as you're like, just, you know, it's like dealing with cops, you know, you're like, Hey dude, this is what it is. Like, they've been really cool every time I've had to deal with them.

Um, but that's also because, you know, I'm not doing anything wrong and I just, you know, tell them, uh, uh, you know, I'm able to be very honest, but.

Um, and the interesting thing I'll say about this with the firearms industry or every industry is, you know, when Gaston Glock was like, Hey, I think I can make a slide out of plastic. Everyone was like, that's insane. A frame has to be metal. Plastic frames will never work. It just goes to show you. And Gaston Glock's like, eh, I've been working with plastics for quite a few years.

I've been lucky. Knock on wood. I've been the same. I've had a good experience when I've dealt with them. In my experience, the ATF... It just comes down to anything with the government. As long as you're paying your vig to the government, you can do what you want. As soon as you freaking try and go around them, that's when they ask you.

There you go. My dealings with ATF, they've been cool with me, and I've had really cool agents. But again, it's... It's scary because you know that if you get the wrong experience, dude, they can put the hammer down on you for things that really are... You know what I mean?

It's a scary situation to deal with them, even if you're not doing anything wrong because you know the power they have. And that is where I think... As a government, if you're not doing anything wrong, you as a person shouldn't have that fear. That's my opinion. You know what I mean?

If I'm not doing anything wrong, I shouldn't have the fear that, and I don't care who it is, federal law enforcement, law enforcement, if I'm not doing anything wrong, I shouldn't have any fear. And the fact that we do in our current society because of the amount of power they have and what they can do, I think that needs to change in my opinion.

That's absurd. I mean, I've watched quite a lot on Waco. I mean, you know... Or do you know that they had an undercover agent? I've heard that. No, I mean, it's a fact. That's a fact. An undercover or a CI? No, an undercover. They had an undercover agent in the church. So, dude, from the things I've read, I wasn't there.

I actually had a friend that was an ATF agent at Waco, and dude, he told me some banana stuff about just a bunch of things about how crazy that situation was. I can only imagine. Dude, I mean, just stuff that he told me, I was like, that is unbelievable. But the point being is, In that agent's defense from what I read and watched, he himself was like, dude, what are we doing?

The whole situation is bananas. And the more you learn about it, the more bananas it is.

I think you're wrong. And then boom. Now everyone, it's like the, Because innovation, I'm going to tell you right now, here's a fact about a product. Anything is possible, period. Anything is possible. And anytime any industry in the gun industry is excessively bad at it, and the movie industry is the same, they go, oh, that can't possibly work. And then someone goes, I think it can. They do it.

It's higher in Denver. By a lot.

No. There was no hat. There's no hat.

when I was in, well, first of all, who the are you guys, man? So when I went to, well, first of all, when we filmed in Columbia for seal team, we filmed in one of now granted, when I say one of Pablo Escobar's like houses, dude, he probably had 200 houses. You know, I was a billionaire. So they turned his plane into an Airbnb. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

But we stayed, we, we filmed in one room. But anyways, when I was in, um, when I was in, uh, Medellin, we just, my buddy and I at the time were like, dude, let's like, let's go check out some Pablo Escobar shit. So the two, we went to his gravesite who we went to like where the neighborhood where they like, he,

dealt drugs which is not a place to go today let me tell you that was a bad idea wild uh yeah it was really dangerous um and then we went all over the place let me let me go to the place where somebody who dealt drugs could get so powerful he became his own it was really dangerous i don't think we fit yeah it was yeah it was really dangerous but anyways we ended up going to um if we like paid this guy like a bunch of money and was just like

You know, there's no ubers taxi app. We're basically like take us where Pablo was killed And that was like what we said. And he was like, okay. So we go to this place and then we were like, we got let out.

And he was wrong. And then we're literally with broken Spanish. We're like, where did Pablo get killed? And dude, we probably asked 10 people and they're like, you know, finally we get to the spot. Right. And I look up and. and this is the house. Now, first of all, the house that he was killed on no longer exists. And it's, uh, it's been, I don't know if the whole house was torn down.

It works. And then everyone goes, let's all do that. Every fucking brand now, to include brands that made only metal frames, are making plastic frames. But it started with Gaston Glock all because he was just like, I think I can do that.

I don't remember, but the exact spot is, is different. Right. And so I looked up images and I was, you know, matching it and everything. And we figured out we're standing across from where he was killed and I'm there. Now I was a sniper for years. Right. And I'm there and I'm like looking at this house and And I'm looking at the image back in 90, whatever it was, three, whatever, or two.

And I'm like, I'm like looking at it, I'm looking at it. And then I'm reading the account of like how he died and I'm looking at the location. And then I look around and I'm like, this doesn't fit. Like this just doesn't fit. There's no way he was killed by the way the account says, because I'm standing here looking at it. I'm looking at the train. I have also been to Dealey Plaza.

so so basically i'm there and i'm like i'm like looking around i'm like this there's no way the official account and so anyways i called somebody that would be in the know and they were like they were like yeah like what do you notice? And I'm like, well, there's, there's no way for a person to shoot from to do what he said. And they're like, so what's the only option?

And I'm like, and I said something and he goes, you don't need to ask any more questions. And I was like, okay, so I'll just say without explaining it. If you go there and you look and you read the official account, you'll put together, there's only... Yeah, we're going to totally just... I'm not going to explain it.

what must have happened if you go there, because the terrain just, the terrain doesn't support the official account. I said I've also been to Dealey Plaza. Well, that's going to be coming out soon, you know? I'm excited for that.

so first of all so first of all or not first but second of all like dude i read this thing recently about jfk and i'm like there's no way that's true and i look it up and it is true it's like i didn't know his brain was missing from the national archives yeah that was weird i was like what right yeah dude that was like a legit his brain was stolen from the national archives

John. But dude, look it up. His brain was basically went missing from the National Archives.

It looks exactly the same way. It's like using a striker-fired pistol. It's like, yeah, no shit. He came up with that in 1983. Good work. Yeah.

But you know what I'm saying? Like, when... My point that I'm making is, you know, the conspiracy of JFK. I mean, you hear this from years. And yet I never heard about the missing brain. I'm like, dude, that's a big piece of the puzzle that supports the fact that something happened that we don't know of. Are we going to get into the JFK thing right now? Well, I think we're already in there, buddy.

All right. I think when he said JFK brain, it opened the conversation. Do we really want to get into it? I mean, look, I'll say this. I'll say this about it. When I watched a recent... When I watched a recent, I don't remember the name of this documentary, but I watched a documentary on, on JFK. Again, this was like three years ago. And it makes a case on who killed him.

And I was like, it makes a case on who killed him. It's a pretty solid case, dude. Which one? It's the one that, it doesn't say it, but it basically details his connection to the mob. Basically says the mob put him in office. Basically explains the connection with JFK and the mob to Cuba. Talks about the Bay of Pigs. And like that whole thing, the narrative that they like, I'm like, okay.

A bunch of pissed off CIA boys that got. Well, see, but see, that's the thing is it basically says, look, the CIA was pissed. The mob was pissed. The crazy connection that I thought was pretty damning, and this was just my personal feeling on it, was the guy that killed Lee Harvey Oswald. And again, if I'm wrong, don't quote me, was a straight up mob hit man. Yes.

Like, not debatably, not conspiracy theory-esque, like, cut and dry a mob hitman. So then you go... You didn't know that, Eli?

That's, like, just a known fact. That is a known fact. That is a known fact that the guy who killed Lee Harvey Oswald was a mob hitman. Fact. So once you put all those facts together, you go, okay, dude, like... You know, there's a lot more, in my mind, it was a lot more of a clearer picture.

Dude, that's, see, that's another part where you're like, whoa.

I mean, dude, again, though, as a sniper, dude, every time, like, sniper stuff comes up in the media, you know, I know enough to... Did you fart? Yeah. But I know... The hatred in your voice. I know enough to, like... I know enough to comment. When the Secret Service happened stuff, I was like, oh my dear God. You have a decent understanding. I did it for almost five years.

I know long range or that job.

No, I mean, but it was a job I liked a lot. So, you know, I studied it pretty in depth. And... I remember years ago, like when I first started, I just remember thinking about like Lee Harvey Oswald, you know, like the, for lack of a better term, the logistics. I don't know if that's the right word of those shots. And it just, with everything at the time and the rounds and the timing.

And I remember shooting a bolt rifle at the time and just being like, dude, either this dude, and I don't mean, you know, look, he's a session, but I mean, technically I'm like, either this dude was a savage, like just really technically proficient or the story is not true, you know?

And I, and I'm just saying that was my takeaway from doing the logistics of, and then looking at the, the, the angle and the freaking distance and the moving target speed. And I'm like, man, I'm not buying it.

They threw it on the ground. It was like...

No, because they got rid of one of the buildings, I believe.

I thought something changed, though, that if I'm not mistaken, something changed. And the reason I'm saying that is I think something changed. And again, I could be wrong, but I thought something changed so that they couldn't recreate it perfectly.

I, from what I, again, it's been a while. I don't remember. Cause there's two perfect shots, right? From what I remember, and again, it's been a long time, but again, there was that one point where I looked at the data and then was like, oh, let me try and replicate this. And again, obviously, I wasn't in the same location. I wasn't at the same distance.

But I just remember at the time looking at everything and thinking – I don't think I could do it. Like I, you know what I mean? I remember, I remember being pretty good at that time and thinking, I don't think I could pull this off.

And again, I, from what I remember, I remember thinking maybe in perfect conditions, maybe after a couple of rehearsals, you know, if it was like a competition, but, but, but I remember at the time thinking, well, he did hit, I mean, that was the thing.

One of the two guys who got shot was like, that's not... It was almost like the governor was like the girl that Puff Daddy shot in the face. So allegedly two.

If I'm not mistaken, Lee Harvey Oswald, I think he was left-handed. Really? There was something weird that... Was he using a lefty rifle? No, I'm trying to remember, but there was some factor. Again, I don't remember what it was, but there was some additional factor of him manipulating the gun. I don't remember what it is. I shot a bolt-action gun left-handed. What the fuck?

He shot right-handed still with the left shoulder? He's shooting what he's doing.

oh i hate that so personally personally so this is now what i remember that's what's being said i'm pretty confident i could be wrong here they didn't see him shooting i'm pretty confident that if he was left eye dominant i'm pretty confident he shot it left-handed which means he would have to manipulate the bolt this was what i recreated he would have to manipulate the bolt

uh, over across the, over the scope racket left-handed, which I used to shoot a bolt. This is why I remember it. I used to shoot a bolt gun left-handed because I'm left eye dominant. So that's why I remember he was the same as me. And I remember thinking, dude, shooting a.

bolt action left a right hand bolt action left-handed adds quite a bit of effort not only does it add a ton of effort to go over the bolt and rack the bolt so that adds a ton of time but much more importantly if you are right-handed shooting a bolt gun you can fire right and you just go from the trigger up back down. You really don't break or move your position very much.

So it allows you to stay boom, boom. Left-handed now, you're going, boom. You have to break completely off the scope, rack it, and then come in and completely, completely reacquire your target. For the speed of the follow-up. There's no freaking... Two and a half seconds, I think. And again, that was the part that I was like, there's no way.

After I made my JFK video, I was made aware of... JFK secrets? Question mark.

The one thing I meant to ask about before we started the podcast. Two fake seals, our new podcast and show that we just started releasing, which is basically about, it's just AJ and I. The genesis of the show was when the China Blues over...

A Glock has three drop safeties built inside.

It's very well designed that way, yeah.

Yeah, two days here.

Yeah, but we want to take kind of the prepper. Dude, I've been a survivalist nerd since I was a little kid, gun fanatic, and I've always been that guy. And COVID changed things because COVID, it was like, oh, you were a weird survivalist prepper person. Now we're cool. Dude, we became cool. Just like, dude, I was a Star Wars nerd when it wasn't cool. Guess who it is? Totally. Yeah.

shit you not I probably had a hundred thousand rounds in my garage right I got a thousand guns I mean crazy and then I'm like sitting there and I'm like toilet paper I didn't see this coming. You know what I mean? I'm like, I have everything, but I didn't stock up on toilet paper. Such a mild concern, though. I know, I was like, yeah, I mean, true. I was like, you know, people are like asking.

Probably, yeah. That makes sense. I know Glock has three the way the pistol is designed.

Exactly, exactly. But it was just, the point is, I was like. Tyler, what do we do? You give me your toilet paper. We can cause, we can do this. I protect you. The easy way.

Survival situation? I'm like, dude, I'll take over a Walmart. I'll be the fucking king of Walmart. A solid concrete building with three entries? Dude, I can hold that. I can hold that with my homies. And then, dude, you want cereal? Shopping with Count Chocula, you know So it was just one of those things where people now know it fires. I mean, dude, part of LA burned down.

So the point being is what people thought was impossible, they're now seeing, dude, anything can happen. So just that mentality, you're no longer the weird prepper. People realize that anything can happen at any time. And I think people are ready to start listening how to take care of themselves and not be in a position where they constantly have to rely on other people, let alone the government.

We want to go do like, and go, you know, like kind of like what you guys, it's really inspiring to create, you know, create, you know, monetize your hobbies and just take what we like doing. We're doing the show because it's what we like doing. We like that space. We like learning new products, great companies, great people. And that's what the show is.

But yeah, on that note, you know, check us out at two fake seals on Instagram. And then my Tyler, a gray at Instagram or on Instagram, whatever. And again, as AJ said, thanks so much for having us guys. And it's absolutely awesome to, to come onto the show. You guys are crushing it. And we really appreciate you having us. Any day. Genuine pleasure. I have you guys. This is fun. Awesome.

You know... I mean, so I'll tell you another Glock story because I'm a gun nerd. You've handled one. People are going to learn something. So Glock, here's the interesting thing. And this is why Glock is Glock is because the reason that he made a Glock was because at that time, again, this is the late 70s, early 80s. And he looked at it and you had two pistols.

You had a revolver and you had an automatic revolver. all automatics. I mean, all right. There's exceptions to everything, but most, the vast majority of semi-automatics had a manual safety and there were massive statistics on how many times somebody drew and didn't remember to take off the manual safety and therefore didn't fire around and were killed.

So Gaston Glock being the genius he was, he's like, Now, that didn't exist for a revolver. You pull out a double-action revolver, pull the trigger, it fires. So he's like, now, who was using revolvers at the time? Cops. Glock wanted to make a gun for the military and law enforcement. So he's like, I want a gun that's semi-automatic, but when you pull it out, it just fires.

You don't have to manually train to put off a safety. So he was like, well, why don't I put the safety into the trigger? And he did that so that you could just pull and worry about shooting, not have to extra train. So really the Glock was designed to reduce the amount of training it took to fire a service

What if you don't even need to shoot it?

But the last part of that is the reason that the Glock replaced, specifically the Glock, replaced double action revolvers for law enforcement is because it was the same in training. You pull it out, you pull the trigger, it fires.

there wasn't a need to retrain a department in semi-automatics to replace their revolvers and that's why glock i mean one of the reasons glock is so prevalent in law enforcement do gun companies do they do recalls then if there's if there's an issue with yeah yeah so is that a recalled gun then

I mean, it's not like a Jeep, you know? Take your gun to the gunsmith, rotate it apart.