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Mark was known as the dog whisperer of Anacortes.
Mark was known as the dog whisperer of Anacortes.
Mark was known as the dog whisperer of Anacortes.
It looked like that Sandy was the smitten one here, much more so than Michael. Happy New Year!
She did care a lot about Michael Tardio. Sandy definitely did.
Little did we know all the twists and turns that were going to happen in this case. Over time, our investigation took us from the pages of Playboy magazine, to an international prostitution ring, and ultimately to a multi-million dollar scam on Wall Street.
So Sandy literally had nothing now. They were kicking her out of her house. So at this point, Michael says to her, why don't you just take a little bit of the jewelry? You could sell it.
Sandy lets him in and says, here's the stuff. And then Michael looks at it and says, no, no, no, that's not enough. You need to take more.
No, we don't know the ultimate truth. But Michael wasn't a criminal. Michael was trying to do something for Sandy to help jumpstart her new life after Mark Yagala.
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I spent four years on this case. I put thousands of hours into it. I know that there's witnesses out there.
When the investigators looked through the vehicle, there was no DNA, there were no fingerprints.
They found out that Michael and Chris were selling this jewelry.
You could say it haunts me, it does. I think about it quite a bit more than I should.
When the investigators brought her in a day or so after the murder, she denied the fact that they were out selling jewelry. Sandy wasn't real cooperative. Sandy was out to protect herself.
I just told her that you may end up going to jail. And I don't know if you want to go to the 77th jail. It doesn't look like you'd fit in down there.
So she decided she was going to just tell us the truth. I have to believe that she told me the truth.
Michael Tardio had been talking to a guy at a nightclub, and this person knew someone that was interested in this jewelry. So Michael Tardio asked him if he could set up a meet.
He's got a lot of money. He drives fancy cars. Michael found out that this deal was set up for the Labor Day weekend.
Michael just started preparing to set this deal up. Rented the car.
Like the guy you're going to sell the stuff to is going to sit in the car while you feed money through the cash machine to count it. But I think Michael just was a victim of too much television or too much reading.
In all my 20 years of working homicide, I have never run across a case like this one.
Once this guy said no, then Michael had to rely on his best friend at the time, Chris Monson.
All the jewelry had been cleaned, all ready to go.
Not knowing who you're meeting, following them to a location where you don't know where you're going.
And he says they were driving through the Mount Olympus area. And that was the end of the conversation. And that was the last conversation she had with them.
It was a surprise attack. These guys were caught completely off guard.
Then the car was driven down to the North Hollywood area where it set a fire.
Michael told Sandy, if anything happens, call this number.
This person of interest has been interviewed a number of times. He's been surveilled a number of times. There's been a lot of pressure put on this person of interest.
Michael Jacobs has to know who the guy is that he set Michael Tardio up with, because he's the middleman.
There's no doubt in our mind, Michael Jacobs is the key to the case.
I don't think you want to meet. I think you want to talk and sort of find out what I know.
You've confirmed a lot of things that I've heard and I'm going to use that.
He is the one who could actually blow this case open, but he just doesn't want to be cooperative.
They may cut up the jewels, get rid of them. It's long gone. I mean, you can't even trace it.
I would love more than anything to just have one little lead. It's amazing what we can do with one little lead.
Just a clean-cut looking guy. He was well-liked, and maybe he just hadn't found his way yet. Chris Monson comes from a pretty tight-knit family. They had some storage facilities that they owned.
No, there was no identifiable fingerprints found in there. There was no really usable evidence. The vehicle was parked probably right about in this area right here.
None of the people that lived in that neighborhood had heard any shots at all.
It was Labor Day weekend, 2002, in a nice neighborhood near Hollywood, where an SUV was found burning on a side street.
Mark had a huge appetite for women. I mean, he would have a girl every day of the week if he could.
And I was arguably the most successful madam in the history of the world.
I only worked with famous women, penthouse pets, playboy playmates, porn stars, actresses, models.
or the clients. What I was being paid for was an introduction.
Oh, we all flock to the parlor. We all want a shot at that one. Hello, I'm Kitten. Hi, I'm Brooke Taylor. Hi, I'm Mia Morgan. His friends brought him out here to play and have a good time. And he was like, you know what? I'm getting a divorce. I'm having fun. I don't have no reason to worry about it. To hell with her. You know, I don't need her. I got these girls here.
And it was your average, everyday divorce party.
Er war beschäftigt mit Gewalt, mit sexuell sadistischen Bildern, mit Bildern von Dominanz und Degradation von Frauen.
In meinen 18 Jahren, in denen ich diese Art von Arbeit mache, habe ich nie so voluminöse Produktionen von einem Verbrecher gesehen.
In diesem Bild haben wir eine Person, die eine andere Person unter ihren Armen aus dem Hintergrund drückt. Und wir haben auch Blut, das von der Person fließt.
Ich dachte sofort, dass es ein Bild war, dass eine Vagina getrennt wurde. The knife appears to be like the one that was used in the crime.
Timothy Masters is symbolically killing his mother. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Tim Masters was the killer.
Dann habe ich ihr eine Reise nach Hause gefordert.
The first season of Georgie and Mandy is a bonafide hit. Be cool, OK? We don't say it out loud. Hmm, OK.
I hung up the phone and I knew Jennifer was dead and I knew that probably Abby was too. And I knew that this pornography had something to do with it.
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I know I'm only 11, but my mom and I have been wondering about where Abby is.
And do you remember how many pornographic photos you found? 668 of the same theme or fetish.
There is no emotion. There is no passion. There is no, where is my wife and daughter? It's not there. It doesn't exist.
It shocked me as much as it did anybody else in the courtroom.
The first season of Georgie and Mandy is a bonafide hit. Be cool, okay? We don't say it out loud. Hmm, okay. Can we just say it's great?
Thank you for saying that out loud. With lots and lots of laughs. So everybody knows. I only told Mandy. I only told Mom and Dad.
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The first season of Georgie and Mandy is a bona fide hit. Be cool, okay? We don't say it out loud. Hmm, okay. Can we just say it's great?
Thank you for saying that, Ellen. With lots and lots of laughs. So everybody knows. I only told Mandy. I only told Mom and Dad.
Can we just say it's great? Thank you for saying that, Ellen. With lots and lots of laughs. So everybody knows. I only told Mandy. Well, I only told Mom and Dad.
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There was a computer printer there. There were bottles of alcohol there. And, of course, an autopsy would have been a tremendous assistance to the investigation, but it wasn't ordered.
Carrie Lynn Baker's manner and cause of death shall be recorded as undetermined.
I really want these things. I want to own a house. I want to have a child.
I just don't feel that having the Spirit of God in you, that you can do something like this, I just don't think you can do it.
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So quick summary. Laugh at Georgie and Mandy's first marriage with all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus and returning new CBS Fall.
So, quick summary. Laugh at Georgie and Mandy's first marriage with all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus and returning new CBS Fall. Yes, yes, also yes.
So, quick summary. Laugh at Georgie and Mandy's first marriage with all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus and returning new CBS Fall.
Was ist, wenn die Lösung für unsere Probleme dort lauert, wo Menschen normalerweise gar nicht hinkommen? Ein Schatz aus der Tiefsee, Millionen Jahre alt, den es aber wirklich gibt und den manche jetzt heben wollen. Der Kampf um die Tiefsee, der hat längst begonnen. Das ist Enten, Land unter, von Andan und dem Futurium. Ab sofort auf Spotify.
Ich weiß, du hast sie vermisst, Baby. Wir vermissen sie alle. Es könnte eine schreckliche Verletzung in ihrer Verlustung gewesen sein.
We would get the occasional sighting, but we would never be able to substantiate it. It was like she dropped off the face of the earth.
Es machte keinen Sinn für mich, dass jemand in New York lebte. Es war eigentlich Brooke.
Ich dachte nicht, dass es möglich war, dass Brooke nach New York ging und in eine Ivy League Schule kam, nachdem sie in einem Hochschulabschluss war.
Ich bin interessiert, ob Esther Reed etwas weiß über den Verlust von Brooke Henson.
Sie hat meinen Telefon, okay? Glaubst du das? Glaubst du das?
The shooting happened this morning at the Lane Bryant store in Tinley Park. It was never supposed to happen that way.
Sie erzählen den federalen Behörden. Ich wäre mehr als glücklich, mit ihnen zu sprechen, weil sie eine gute, aufstandene, professionelle Gruppe von Menschen sind.
I don't believe Esther's been in contact with any of her family or friends. I honestly believe that she pretty much left everyone behind.
Weil sie ihre Identitäten verändern kann, gibt es eine unique Herausforderung, um herauszufinden, welche Identität sie jetzt benutzt.
Es gibt ein altes Sagen, man kann die Punkte nicht verbinden, bis man die Punkte sammelt.
Catch her if you can. Tonight's 48 Hours Mystery.
They say she stole a missing girl's identity. Now she's missing too.
So the $64,000 question. Where is Esther Reed, Steve? Don't know yet. Do you feel like you're getting close? Very close.
Die Polizei hat auf dem Boden und aus dem Luftraum gesucht, um einen Anwalt, den sie glauben, in Tindley Park, in dieser Laine Bryant-Store, schießen zu haben.
Wir hatten Informationen, dass Esther im Bereich von Tinley Park war.
Der Schuss kam am Morgen am Lane Bryant Store in Tinley Park.
Es ist Schmerz. Ich meine, jedes Mal, wenn ich darüber rede, ist es Schmerz.
Ich will nur eine glückliche Frau sein. I think Esther is a lost soul.
Esther has an underlying psychological disorder. It stems from a social anxiety disorder. She feels like people are out to get her.
Six months after her capture, she admits to the fraud.
Esther Reed ist schuldig, sie ist kalkuliert und sie ist intelligent. Das ist die perfekte Kombination für einen Kon-Artist.
She was all about Esther. A mother lost her daughter.
Esther Reed wurde 2011 aus einem federalen Gefängnis geliefert.
Es ist schwierig, weil... ...diese Zeit in meinem Leben war großartig. Es ist schmerzhaft, was passiert ist und wie ich verschwunden bin. Warum bist du verschwunden? Ich war einfach so furchtbar vor der Welt.
Was sah Esther, als sie in das Fenster geschaut hat?
Deine Schwester denkt immer ein paar Schritte vor. Sie denkt definitiv immer ein paar Schritte vor.
Und als sie starb, war es nicht mehr in Ordnung. Nichts war mehr in Ordnung.
Du lebst dieses Leben, Esther Reed lebt dieses Leben. Wie ist es täglich? Siehst du dich auf die Schulter? Es ist schrecklich. Es ist eine extrem schwierige Lebensweise.
No, I did not slash at him. No, you didn't stab his penis. That's not a stab like this, like you're mad, like you're afraid, like you can't, can't stop. Objection, Your Honor.
This place will follow us for the rest of our lives.
She has the wife accused of stabbing her husband nearly 200 times and then burying his body.
Five years is a long time to be unhappy and pissed off at your husband day after day. The wounds to his head, to his face, to his neck, to his chest, to his abdomen, to his sexual organ.
The cuts that Susan Wright had on her hands is extremely consistent with when someone is repeatedly stabbing somebody else and the blood is making her hands slick.
The state has made a great deal of stabbing him 193 times. How do you explain that?
Are you aware that she told her mom that his body is in the backyard?
That's a pretty firm affirmation that she knows her husband is not coming back. Would you agree with that?
I definitely think she played Dr. Brown, and that's just kind of part of Susan. She's very good at playing people, particularly men, I think.
Like you're mad, like you're afraid, like you can't, can't stop.
Gather your people. We're going to need every one of them.
Section 31 is just a place for people to bend the rules.
Starfleet is here to make sure no one commits murder.
What a cute idea. This is chaos. Let's get messy.
What kind of names would he call you, ma'am?
What would provoke him throwing you down the stairs?
You had a piece of glass in your chin. Still do. Still. It's still here. Can you see it? Absolutely. I know. And you still don't believe that he was an abuser?
Before long... And that's why you refused treatment on your chin?
Are you okay, Mrs. McMichael? Yes, ma'am. Now, Mrs. McMichael, do you... She was a colorful witness, but in terms of believability, uh-uh.
Tell us exactly what the response was. Same tone, what the response was.
She had the usual things that come about with the darkest secret of our lives, which is domestic abuse.
I just want you to know that I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you don't have your son and your brother, and I'm sorry that the kids don't have their father.
Both families have been suffering for years. Let the healing begin.
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I've known him for 23 years and I cannot ever remember Joan calling me Michael. It's always Mike. She opened the door and she said, Michael, do you have bad news for me?
It was just such a terrible feeling. Jay's father, Jim, drove to the fire scene.
And Bill Lagatudo has the remarkable story of the homeless teenager accused of helping to start the fire.
I'll never forget that sight of that building.
He needed to see for himself what his son was up against.
Flames were shooting 100 feet in the air. I said, my God, my son is trapped in that building. It was a hopeless situation. I can tell you what Joan said to me most of the night. I want to hold him in my arms.
More than 12 hours passed before the inferno was under control. As dawn broke, the city of Worcester and the work learned the devastating impact of the blaze. 17 children left fatherless, five women lost their husbands, and the deaths of the six brave men touched countless other lives.
We walked in with six fellow firefighters and were waiting to walk out with them.
so now we have to find them the task of finding their fallen brothers seemed almost impossible the building's roof and interior had collapsed we eventually had the left end of the building removed now we can go in we can start searching by hand trying to find any sign of anybody
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And for eight days, these guys didn't sleep. For eight days, they searched for six of their own.
As the search continued, over 30,000 firefighters from all around the world and a television audience of millions joined the city in honoring the fallen six.
Whether it was a homeless person or the richest person in the world, it made no difference to them. They knew their job was to save lives.
And I was determined to hold my head high and say, this is for you. Jerry, Joe, Jay, Timmy, and Tom, this is for you.
Three days later, Paul Brotherton was the last of the six to be found.
These were my husband's dog tags that they found. I'm happy I was able to have something.
An arrest. The homeless couple that the firefighters went looking for are charged with six counts of manslaughter.
If we can establish that arson occurred, then maybe a more appropriate charge could be murder.
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I said, my God, my son is trapped in that building.
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I made a promise. I would never stop looking.
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Heroes Under Fire. First alarm sounded here, Central Station, in the heart of Western Massachusetts. It set off a chain of events unlike anything this city had ever seen. What happened here is a story of courage and sacrifice. We'll take you behind the lines into a world where bravery, honor, and devotion to work and the family are on display every day. A world where seemingly ordinary men
Major breaking developments in that tragic warehouse inferno in Worcester that kills six firefighters.
The two people who started the fire are brought into court to be charged.
Two homeless people are charged with accidentally setting that blaze.
37-year-old Tom Levesque, a drifter, and his 19-year-old companion, Julianne Barnes, who is three months pregnant. They've been living illegally in the vacant warehouse for months.
They're charged with six counts of manslaughter, six counts for six dead firefighters.
The investigation is still continuing. We're not certain what kind of evidence may be revealed, if any.
The police say the pair not only failed to put out the fire, they failed to report it.
They should have been aware enough to notify somebody that there was a fire there.
Instead, they listened to music at a nearby mall.
She was raising her voice at him and it seemed like she was angry at him.
Then they went to have dinner at a food kitchen. And then they went their separate ways. He stayed overnight in a friend's apartment. She stayed with a friend in a hotel room and watched the fire from a fourth floor window.
If we can establish that arson occurred, then maybe a more appropriate charge could be murder.
But while Julie Barnes and Tom Levesque are being held in prison on high bail awaiting trial, 300 miles to the north, really a world away here along the coast of Maine, something is about to happen that will change this case completely. Tim and Deb King live in Ellsworth, Maine. One day, two weeks after the fire, Tim King picks up the morning paper to read the latest account of the tragedy.
But when he sees this photograph of Julie Barnes' troubled, bewildered face, Tim King notices something remarkable.
I looked at the picture of Julie and said, gosh, she looks remarkably like my daughter Jennifer.
Sixteen-year-old Jennifer is Tim and Deb King's adopted daughter.
When I saw the picture, I knew immediately it was Jennifer's biological sister.
Deb King had always known Jennifer had an older sister named Julie. She had met Julie when she adopted Jennifer in Worcester 13 years ago. Deb also knew that the sisters shared a significant limitation.
Jennifer is diagnosed as mentally retarded. Most of her testing puts her at about a seven, eight-year-old functioning level.
Similar to what I felt Jennifer's was, very shy, slow.
But when the Kings adopted Jennifer, they felt they just couldn't take on two kids with special needs, and Julie was left behind in foster care.
I never forgot about it, ever, ever. I never, always wondered.
You had a sense, though, that Julie's life was not anything close to her sister Jennifer's life.
You felt that she would, wherever she was... She wouldn't have... Things are not good. No. It wasn't good. In and out of foster homes, then a life on the streets. And now, while Julie awaits trial in Worcester.
She always had that happy little smile. This is her first hissy fit.
Back in Maine, Jennifer King. We're looking at pictures of you. The sister who grew up with love and support.
After dinner, Jen, you need to take a shower.
A special education honor roll student. You've certainly been on the honor roll a lot more than I was. Is getting ready for the last day of school. Tell me about her personality.
She's just sweet. Good night, sweetheart. She looks for the good in everybody.
She's just a beautiful, wonderful child. These two sisters, who've led strikingly different lives, have the Kings wondering, what if?
These people are dangerous. I'm doing this alone. Not at all. Every bad man gotta have their router. Coulter! Justin Hartley stars.
When you look at it and you realize that, oh my God, you know, this could have been my daughter.
You think that Julie wouldn't have had the wherewithal to realize that the warehouse was on fire and that she needed to call the authorities? That's correct. Do you think that she knew the seriousness of the fire?
Do you think she knew the potential of the fire?
What is it that you would like to do for her?
Why burden yourselves with this? I mean, you've got enough on your hands now.
I feel a real commitment that it's Jennifer's sister. And maybe we can give Julie the chance that she hasn't had.
And it's the right thing to do. We have to get her out of there.
And so, after a meeting with Julie in prison, This is a girl that's limited. the Kings make a major decision.
They will first work to get her out on bail. Oh, God. And then fight to get the charges dropped.
We're going down to Massachusetts. We're going to speak to groups. Welcome to Worcester. We're going to speak to individuals. If it wasn't for us, that could be Jennifer. We're going to speak to organizations. And for them, it was like looking in a mirror because they look so much alike. We're going to raise this money. We're trying to raise $75,000 for the bail money.
But in Worcester, where the wounds are still fresh, what they want for Julie will be a tough sell.
I don't think we've healed enough for someone to come on the radio and ask for money to help this girl. What did she do wrong?
And you don't think she has any responsibility? What did she do wrong? They certainly could have called 911. They certainly could have told somebody.
We can understand a fire starting accidentally. However, we find it troublesome and hard to understand that the fire department was not notified.
What do you say to the families of those firefighters, to the 17 children who will never see their father again, to the grieving widows? What do you say about your fight to have the charges dropped?
We say to them we have the utmost respect for them, for the families, for the firefighters, that we feel a tremendous sadness at their loss. But this tragedy doesn't need another victim.
Or will she pay the price for the deaths of six firefighters?
In the weeks that followed, the building that had taken such a terrible toll on the city surrendered to the wrecking ball. Remnants of the old coal storage warehouse were torn down and cleared away. 300 miles away in Ellsworth, Maine, Deb and Tim King are on a mission to get Julie Barnes out of prison on bail and get all of the charges dropped.
perform extraordinary deeds. All of it unfolding during a moment of crisis, a flashpoint for an entire city. But there's also a remarkable twist of fate that only underscores the dangers of the job and the selflessness of those who do it. Heroes Under Fire. Every day, the firefighters of Worcester, Massachusetts come to work ready to do what they've been trained to do and what they love to do.
She's one of two homeless people charged with six counts of manslaughter for the firefighters' deaths. Correspondent Bill Lagatuda continues now with Julie's story.
Julie Barnes has been in prison for more than eight months. She's given birth to a baby boy who's been placed with a family for possible adoption. But Julie may soon get out if her lawyers can persuade a judge to reduce her bail.
Oh God, my heart is like pounding. I'm like so excited.
Finally, the King's hard work has paid off. Thank you, folks. The judge has ruled. Julie's companion, Tom Levesque, will stay in prison on high bail. But because of the efforts of Deb and Tim King, Julie's bail is reduced. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. To $25,000.
I got the money. I'm on my way to the prison.
Which is just about all the Kings have been able to raise.
I had to take $25,000 in cash in my trunk. Doesn't this look like something in the old days as a cowboy? And drive all the way to Massachusetts.
The charges still stand, but Julie is released from prison in the custody of the Kings.
Today is a miracle because you live in your small town, you work with your community, but you just never realize that you can make a change like this. This is a big change. You know, we've made a big change.
It's a five-hour car ride home to Ellsworth, Maine.
My sense tells me she really wants this family. She really wants the structure. I've got one of these. You like these?
The following morning, Julie Barnes is getting to know her new family. Julie is painfully shy. But by the time the Kings hit the shopping mall, she's beginning to feel a little more comfortable.
The Kings can't wait to see Julie reunited with her younger sister, Jennifer. That happens a week later when they pick up Jennifer from summer camp.
At first, the meeting is a bit awkward. Pizza helps break the ice. These two sisters, sisters with similar faces and similar limitations, sisters separated for 13 years, are starting to find each other. How old is Julie? She's 20. How would you describe her intellectual age and her emotional age?
She goes anywhere from a 12-year-old to maybe a 14-year-old. You know, she's like the boy crazy age.
Come on, can you look at me for a second? I want to see your pretty face. Come on! I've been looking at pictures of you, and I look at pictures of you.
I've never met you before. Come on, I'm not that bad to look at. I'm not, I don't look like Justin. I'm not as cool as he is. Does she understand the charge against her?
You do? Blame me for six manslaughter. Julie's muffled answer was, they blame me for six manslaughter. But will she be tried? If so, this will be a difficult case to prove. Is there a duty to report a fire? Does her disability excuse her failure to report? Should her companion be held more responsible? Or was this simply a horrible tragedy that produced six true heroes, but no true villains?
What do you think the authorities should do? Drop the charges?
I think that most people understand that even finding someone responsible, even finding someone at fault, will not bring closure to the pain and the terrible wound that Worcester, the Worcester area suffered.
Doing anything to these people would be the equivalency of kicking a puppy. It may feel good, but it's not going to change anything and it's not going to teach them anything.
Now, Julie's lawyers must go back to court and ask the judge to drop all of the charges.
She still faces the possibility of 120 years behind bars.
Even as difficult questions of justice hang over this city and this case, the families of the six firefighters who were lost are facing another fight to try and rebuild their lives.
Michael and Brian Brotherton are no strangers to Worcester's Central Fire Station or the antics of the firefighters. They ride with us.
They'll spend nights with us. They eat with us. They get yelled at by us. We cut them no slack. All over here is the rescue side.
For six years, this was their father's second home.
This side is the engine. All engine one. Our father slept right here.
this was his bunk paul brotherton died december 3rd 1999 doing the job he loved his son brian had always wanted to follow his dad so when you come up where do you sleep down here with the rescue group yes yeah sleep in the same bed as my dad slept in before the fire i had an idea of being a firefighter this is what generates the jaws of life Since the fire, Michaels made up his mind.
When did you decide you wanted to do something in firefighting? Pretty much right after the fire.
A lot of people, including this person, might say, but having lost your husband to fire, does it occur to you, well, maybe to hope against hope they won't do it?
It doesn't bother me. I will respect them in whatever endeavor they choose.
You have six children. How do you cope with this?
They always talked about Jerry having that twinkle in his eye.
Jerry Lucy's wife Michelle is turning her grief into action.
When you lose somebody who was so involved in something that he believed in, I think you really want to make something positive come out of it and have their deaths not be in vain.
If you had a vacant building... The campaign begins in Worcester.
Michelle has teamed up with Kathy Spencer, the widow of firefighter Tom Spencer.
They're looking at new ways to keep homeless people out of Worcester's vacant buildings to prevent future tragedies.
Michelle is also lobbying the city for more training and equipment. Equipment like these thermal imaging cameras, which allow firefighters to see through smoke. Since the tragedy, eight cameras have been donated to the department.
I'm fighting now for his brothers, and I'm fighting now for our future firefighters, who may be my children someday. There's 17 children that are left behind that I'm sure at least half of them are going to be firefighters.
A federal safety panel cited equipment failure and confusion over the building's layout. But the lead investigator acknowledged there's no way of knowing if anything could have prevented the deaths of the firefighters. You must think at least some of the time, is there anything that I could have, should have done differently?
Well, if I was second-guessing myself, one thing, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you right now. I'd be over in a corner somewhere curled up in a ball. The scary part about what happened that night was we fought that fire the way we fought a thousand other fires. We went by the numbers. We vented, we entered, we attacked the fire, and we searched. That's what we do at every fire.
We believe we are the penultimate tough guys.
The support Denise Bretherton has received, not only from her community, but across the nation, is helping her to cope with her loss. All of the letters and cards, about how many did you get?
Somewhere between 30 and 40,000. This is one of 39 containers that I have accumulated. I had one letter up on my refrigerator that said, Dear Mrs. Brotherton, Spider-Man used to be my hero, but no more. Mr. Brotherton is.
The tribute Michael and Brian Brotherton want to make is to proudly wear the uniform of a Worcester firefighter, just like their dad.
There's no better legacy than to have the son carry on in the footsteps of the father. And I think they would do themselves proud and their dad proud.
We believe that we cannot be beaten. We believe that we're going to go in and we're going to solve the problem, and we're going to beat this building, we're going to win, and we're going to leave. Just like we do every other time.
While the Brotherton boys have a clear view of their destiny, the future of Julie Barnes and Tom Levesque hinges on a court's decision. They both face very serious charges of manslaughter.
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How do you feel about that? That's a hard one. They didn't start the fire on purpose.
I wish they'd called. A judge decides their fate.
In Maine, still facing six counts of manslaughter, Julie Barnes is trying hard to become a brand new person.
How she can change her name to Sandy King and be part of the family.
What has she told you about the night of the fire?
She just tells me she didn't do it. She had nothing to do with it.
And then, unexpectedly, there is a dramatic development in the court case.
The judge drops the charges against the homeless couple accused of setting that deadly Worcester warehouse fire.
They dropped the charges against Julie. She doesn't have to go to court anymore.
The judge dismisses all the charges against both Julie and Tom Levesque.
We're just extremely grateful that he made this decision and it was a well thought out decision.
Was it wrong what they did to walk away from such a fire? Did they even know what they did? In the end, the judge rules the fire was an accident and decides the case by the letter of the law alone. In Massachusetts, there is no legal obligation to report a fire. And since this broadcast first aired,
Julie was hired as a full-time hotel housekeeper. You accomplished what many people said would be impossible to do.
We just knew it was going to happen. Looks like that little cat likes you. It had to happen because it was wrong. Now I see how right I am about her, that she's just an innocent soul that got lost in the system, and it's sad.
Julie Barnes, now free and living far from the streets of Worcester, free to begin a new life with a new and loving family. The very same week Julie Barnes began her new life, the families of the six Worcester firefighters whose lives were lost were in Colorado Springs, Colorado, joining there at the site of a national memorial to firefighters who died in the line of duty.
Captain Robert A. Johnson... We always believe we can do the job. ...and District Chief Mike McNamee... This is our job.
We're so proud of him. So proud of what he did.
It's still so hard for the family of Jay Lyons and all the families of the fallen six from Worcester.
for the Lyons and the Brothertons and the Lucys and the Jacksons and the McGirts and the Spencers, there was a chance to share a sense of loss and a sense of purpose with 53 other families. And somehow these families and these firefighters will carry on.
He'd be saying, what's going on with all this stuff? We were just doing our job. The true heroes are these firefighters that had to get back on the truck.
Every one of the guys sitting here at this table and everyone on this department are the same way. They're all heroes. As long as there's firefighters, there's going to be heroes.
...had never seen a building beat any of their men.
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But when they went to do their job one evening, these firefighters faced a fire that still haunts them every day.
Last thought before I close my eyes at night, first thought when I wake up in the morning. If I wake up during the night, it's what's on my mind, and a hundred times during the day.
It was December 3rd, 1999, just after six in the evening. All of a sudden, the alarm hit. A report of smoke coming from a downtown warehouse. And right away I said, bad building. It's the Worcester coal storage building. A relic from the industrial age, the Worcester coal storage building had been vacant for almost a decade. And why did you say that's a bad building?
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You can picture a building that has virtually no windows in it, six stories worth of no windows, 18-inch thick brick walls, very difficult to make your way around inside. You could lose your bearings very easily.
But when they got to the warehouse, there were no flames in sight.
It was a light to moderate smoke condition showing at the roof at that point. I can remember saying, well, it doesn't look too bad.
Still, just as a precaution, Chief McNamee called for backup as the arriving firefighters got down to work, laying hoses, venting the heat and smoke, searching for the fire. and also searching for anyone who might be inside. So many times we've gone into abandoned buildings and found people there.
We always search. This time there was even more reason to search. I heard the first fire truck go by. I looked out the window and I'd seen it stop. Bill McNeil ran out of his dime. First thing I did was go out the door and run up the street. He reported that somebody might be inside. He knew two people who lived in the abandoned warehouse, 37-year-old Tom Levesque and 19-year-old Julie Barnes.
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She said they had an apartment set up over there.
He had seen them walking to the building that afternoon.
We were already going through the search anyways, but then that made them comb it even more.
One of the first to start searching for the couple... He was doing his job. ...was Paul Brotherton.
He had just always wanted to be a firefighter.
Denise and Paul Brotherton were raising six boys. All of them knew how passionate their dad was about his job. What made it his passion?
I think just the ability to be able to go in, to go in and make a difference, to save a comrade, to save someone from a building.
Paul Brotherton's partner that night was Jerry Lucy.
If he knew anyone was in the building, he would be right in there. That's just...
Jerry's wife, Michelle, and the couple's two sons saw his passion for the job.
You know, he started collecting some pictures.
And if you really look close at this picture, you will see a silhouette right there in the fire. And I asked him, what were you doing? And he says, well, to be quite honest with you, I was looking for a way to get out.
Jerry Lucy and Paul Brotherton now went inside this warehouse, along with two dozen other men, to search for the homeless couple who might be inside. But none of them knew what they were walking into that night. None of them knew that the homeless couple they were now searching for had knocked over a candle which had set their belongings ablaze.
None of them knew that this fire had already burned for 90 minutes before the alarm was called in.
We found the fire on the second floor and we were attacking it and we thought we had it boxed. Then, in the blink of an eye, everything changed. I'd say three to four seconds it went from you looking at me and talking at me to I'm not here anymore.
Just gone. Thick, acrid smoke, given off by the burning petroleum-based insulation of the cold storage lockers, blinded those inside.
I gave a very loud yell on the stairway. I want all personnel down off the upper floors. I want a head count taken.
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as the men made their way out of the smoke-filled building.
All of a sudden, there was a radio message. Rescue 600 to command. We're in the building. We're disoriented.
We cannot find our way out. Somewhere inside the smoke-filled maze of cold storage rooms, Paul and Jerry were lost. We're looking at each other going,
Did you hear what he just said? To listen to men in that situation, especially when they're friends of yours. That'll never leave me. I'll never forget it.
Chief McNamee now ordered a new search to find Jerry and Paul. What's going through your head at this moment? We've got to get this done. We don't have a lot of time. The men walked back into a building that was now bursting into flames. You couldn't see anything in there.
You were just going by feel, senses, touch, and it was like nothing you've ever seen before.
The men worked in shifts. There were probably up to 40 people at one time. There was Tim Jackson and his partner, Tommy Spencer. Tommy Spencer had this look in his eyes, let's get this done. And they just watched them just disappear up into the smoke. There was Joe McGurk and his partner, a young man named Jay Lyons.
Jay has a very special place in my heart because I moved into this house in 1977. Jay was 12 years old. He lived across the street. He became my young friend. He used to always quiz me about the fire department, the firefighters, until he finally became a firefighter after he graduated from college.
But that night, Jay was just another fireman doing his job. The searchers could find no trace of the homeless couple. And by now... We had several transmission from Paul and Jerry.
Paul Brotherton and Jerry Lucy's oxygen tanks were almost empty. Okay, we're on the floor now. We're buddy breathing, which means one of them ran out of here and they're taking the one face piece and they're going back and forth with it.
We're buddy breathing. Hurry. But the building was turning into a giant oven with temperatures reaching over 3,000 degrees. And now some of the firefighters searching inside were lost. Chief McNamee faced the toughest decision of his life. How many more men would he risk to save those missing firefighters?
I said, my God, my son is trapped in that building.
It started with a candle and exploded into an inferno. This fire was a monster. Six firefighters trapped. You couldn't see anything in there. Trying to rescue a homeless couple.
This fire was a monster. It was growing by the minute.
The fire is going on so loud, I can't hear you too well.
In less than an hour, a sighting of smoke on the roof of the Worcester coal storage building had exploded into a raging four alarm blaze. Yet, incredibly, there were 40 firefighters inside the inferno. Searching for two comrades, Paul Brotherton and Jerry Lucy, lost inside the building. We were fighting time, and it was getting down to a critical point at that point.
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District Chief McNamee was about to see it get even worse. Two more men, partners Tim Jackson and Tom Spencer, were not responding to radio calls. Ladder 200 to Ladder 2.
With Tim and Tom. Nothing. And then the fourth or fifth call was almost a cry into the radio.
Ladder 200 to Ladder 2, answer me! I just went, oh, my God.
There's two more. The heavy black smoke was now pouring out of the storage lockers and into the stairway. It was forcing you back down the stairs. You know, you had to fight your way up. We almost got trapped in there. As a federal inquiry later confirmed, malfunctioning radios added to the confusion of the moment.
Now I was asking people every time they came down, what are conditions like up there? How bad is it getting up there? And when this very experienced lieutenant was coming down with his crew, and he said, Chief, we couldn't even make the third floor. That's when I knew it was time for a decision. I had approximately a dozen firefighters lined up, ready to go up.
I stood in the doorway at the base of that stairwell. I looked at them and I said, that's it, no more. Some of them started to get vocal and said, what do you mean? What do you mean? They're still up there. What do you mean no more? And that's when I said, look it, we've already lost four. We're not going to lose any more. Then McNamee called for an all out.
Somebody gets into every fire truck and starts giving successive short blasts of all the air horns. They hear this, they know it's bailout time.
If he knew anyone was in the building, he would be right in there.
What was your first reaction when the chief said? I burst into tears, but then I had to stop and physically restrain some of the men that were with me.
It was like somebody had collectively kicked them all in the stomach. They deflated, their shoulders slumped, their hands fell, their heads went down.
At that final call, the fire just blew right through the roof.
And it just really sunk in that there wasn't anybody coming out of there.
We knew there were guys in there, and you didn't want to leave them in there. But we also realized, too, that the chief was making the right decision at that point in time.
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I don't know if I would have had the guts to make that call. And that might have cost this department more lives. But the worst was far from over.
The officer of Engine 3 came up to me and said, Chief, I can't find Jay or Joe.
Nobody's seen them. Joe McGurk was last seen with Jay Lyons. The boy McNamee watched grow up to be a firefighter. At that point, you thought you'd lost four. Four. Now we're six. Through these moments developing into minutes, what's your interior conversation?
You know, you hear the term, I have a heavy heart. I had the heaviest heart. I felt like a weight hanging on my chest. Looking at that building that night and just knowing that those six were in there, it was just a horrible, horrible feeling.
We've got to get this done. We don't have a lot of time. From the heat of battle... All of a sudden there was a radio message.
There was no longer any way to fight this fire. All the firefighters could do was keep it from spreading and watch. Also watching that night was the homeless couple the firefighters had gone looking for. Julie Barnes watched it from the window of a friend's motel room. Tom Levesque from the street. Word of the fire spread quickly through Worcester.
Two Worcester firefighters are confirmed dead tonight, and at least two more are missing.
My brother called to tell me, you know, that there was a fire in the city, and a lot of the times he would do that.
Paul always came home. This was not going to be any different. Paul was always going to come home.
And the parents of 34-year-old Jay Lyons, Joan and Jim, were watching TV.
The news came on and she said, my God, six firefighters are missing. Is Jay working? And he was.
Mike McNamee, who had known Jay since he was a boy, he was the closest of the six, went to break the news to Jay's family himself.
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Well, there were two things that the defense found inadequate. An inadequate investigation that may be to question other old boyfriends or other people, and then that the fire itself was not investigated well enough.
Our job is to... point out things that give a jury doubt. The detectives involved in this case should have taken steps to determine where someone like Gus Lamish or other people in the neighborhood, they should have determined where those people were or could have been at the time of this, you know, alleged crime, but they didn't do any of that.
Not only do I have Listen, Barrett taken from me. They want to accuse me of killing them. How heartless do you have to be to be able to do this to a grieving parent? This was an insult to injury.
I don't believe that the defense truly thinks Gus had anything to do with it. They were using Gus as a concrete example of here's a timeline, and you didn't even check that. But... To Gus, obviously, as he said, it's like insult upon injury.
And I think they chose Gus because he gets the call at the supermarket. And that could have been something very easy. Call the supermarket, see if he was really there. It's his house. And they didn't do it. But the prosecutor said if there were other people worth looking at, investigators would have. So that's why- To them, it wasn't tunnel vision. They looked at who they needed to look at.
Melissa had moved in. Her parents were divorced. She had moved in with Gus into their childhood home because she had to stop working as the baby was coming. And Gus, in the interview, said to Nikki, he was looking forward to almost raising this child. Sure, move into my house. I'll give you some help.
There's got to be something at the heart of that evidence that they've got.
There's got to be something at the heart of that evidence that they've got.
And even, as you know from other stories we do, people have plans and they make mistakes. Who knows what happened? If he panicked, if he didn't complete his plan, but... Yeah, somebody who usually puts out fires starting a fire.
Her older sister had heard about him, but didn't meet him. So it was one of these friends on again, off again. They never really dated. They were never boyfriend, girlfriend. The people that we spoke to had not met him before. And the older sister recalled hearing about him from... When they were friends, like how you talk about your group of friends to your siblings.
The reason she wasn't telling people the name is because according to the family, Melissa was like, he doesn't really want to be part of this. And so why do I need to tell you who he is if he's not going to be part of the life of the baby?
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And the family said, don't worry about it. If he doesn't want to help you- That's fine. We will. We'll help you financially. We'll help you with support. She had a lot of brothers and sisters. She was already an aunt. So they were like, don't worry, we'll help you.
According to Melissa's sister, Melissa told her that his parents were like, isn't that exciting? We're here. We'll help you. And the reason she did it, she mentioned to her family, oh, I might tell his parents. They're like, why bother? Leave well enough alone. But she felt very strongly they had a right to know. This is according to her family that...
His parents had a right to know that they were going to be grandparents. And she was, you know, wanted other people in the baby's life. And she always thought they seemed like nice people. So she didn't see why she shouldn't tell them.
I remember they were very serious. But we never had the chance to speak to them to know what they think now, you know, after the trial.
They did. The family did. Not necessarily investigators. And the reason was that Melissa had been on the phone with her older sister, Cassie, earlier that day of the fire. And they're talking about the baby. They're talking about Thanksgiving. And Melissa says, I gotta go. Matt's at the door.
Something like that. And she said, I'll call you back. And that was the last anybody heard from Melissa. So right away, they know he's at the house. Right. And I think to the family, because he had been at the house that day, she didn't want anything to do with him. And he had come by the house two days before too. And she's like, why does he keep coming?
To them right away, they're thinking he may be involved. Investigators look at it a little differently. Obviously, he's a person of interest because he was there and they called him in for, you know, questioning that evening, the evening of the fire. He willingly came and spoke with them. But also you have to remember in the beginning, too, you don't know for certain that she was even murdered.
Right. You know, there's a fire. She's in the kitchen. She's dead. Maybe she was cooking something and it went up. And they don't really know what caused the fire, right? No, they never found anything. you know, a device. Investigators had dogs come in and sniff for accelerant. They didn't find any accelerant. They didn't find any electrical issues.
So what they determined was that it was started at the cabinets above the stove. They believed to make it look like something happened in the kitchen. I think for this story, it mattered less...
She was not afraid of him. Like it wasn't like, oh my God, I'm not going to open the door. And Matthew Plody had zero criminal record. You know, he was known to be sort of quiet at work. It wasn't someone where you have like, oh, you know, that employee who flies off the handle all the time. That was not Matt.
And she tried to, you know, keep the door open in case he wanted to be involved, but she really had no reason to be afraid of him. Right.
There's got to be something at the heart of that evidence that they've got.
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Well, he willingly agreed to those interviews and there was no lawyer present. He didn't even hire a lawyer until later. Seven hours sounds like a long time. If there was talking going on, they would ask a question and often he either didn't answer or there'd be two minutes before he would answer.
So most of the seven hours were the investigators asking questions, trying to get him to talk and him saying very little.
Absolutely. The defense says for as long as we've known him, that's how he is when we talk to him. But the investigators say, you know, we were accusing him of some pretty horrendous things. And most people would say, enough, leave me alone. How dare you? And he was very... calm and not saying much.
And I thought, isn't like the first impulse to be like, what happened? And again, the defense looks at it and says, well, look, he didn't get rattled.
And you could see the pain in his face when Nikki spoke to him about this, you know, where he's like, I don't readily talk about, I'm not proud that I did this, but there is a grieving family out there looking for answers. And in the end, he didn't have to wear, like they put something on his phone on the desk.
But he's a wonderfully thoughtful man who cares about his firehouse. And you can sense how troubled he is by all of this.
And it wasn't just that it couldn't be Matthew to Chief Schultz, the concept of a firefighter, someone who saves lives, who helps people doing, he was like, it couldn't be any of my guys because that's not what we do. Um, Again, Matthew willingly came in and I think some of it was, gee, am I ever going to get my job back? That maybe that might've been part of the lore.
And Chief Schultz was like, look, I will help you deal with this. Like, if you tell me I can go with you to the police, you can call me at two in the morning. Rob Schultz thought if he could appeal to him on that way, but he really, he just- He wouldn't give anything. Yeah. Didn't say anything. Yeah.
A short time after the robbery at 902 Hickory, a man goes into the ER at Barnes Hospital here in St. Louis. He's there because he's been shot in his hand. He tells the people in the ER that he's a victim himself, and he tells them he was shot during a botched robbery, basically. The police were notified that there was a gunshot victim at Barnes Hospital ER.
A very smart and astute x-ray tech takes note of several things while she is treating him. She notices that he has gold teeth. And he starts talking to her and he asks her to take away his red hooded sweatshirt because it's covered in blood. The x-ray technician told the police officer what she observed. She told him that she just felt something was not right.
When they walk out the front doors of the ER, police officers see the man in the red hooded sweatshirt's car parked out front. And standing right next to the car is another man. The police officer follows this man into Forest Park. and he sees him throw an object to the ground. And he feels that this man is involved and he does a search of this man and he finds jewelry belonging to Ida Rask.
And he's put under arrest. Another officer is brought in to help look for the object that was thrown down to the ground. And as they search that area in Forest Park where that man walked, they find the black gun. After the man in the park is arrested, he tells the police his name, and it is determined that he was the man in the black hooded sweatshirt, and his name is Mario Coleman.
The man inside of the hospital was the man wearing the red hooded sweatshirt, and his name is La'Dale Nathan.
These two men went into this house and they literally terrorized four generations of this family. Mario Coleman and La'Dale Nathan were charged acting together in this crime. They were both charged with murder in the first degree.
Because he was only 16 years old, there's only limited information that we have about him. At trial, his defense attorney tried to talk about his rough upbringing and how he had a hard life. However, that evidence was really kept out of the trial by the trial judge.
After LaDale Nathan was found guilty, we knew it wasn't over. We still had to go to trial for Mario Coleman. Mario Coleman was no stranger to the criminal justice system. At the time of the murder, he was on probation for two different felony cases.
Mario Coleman's defense is that he was inside the house at 9-0-2 Hickory. However, he pointed the finger at La'Dale Nathan and said La'Dale Nathan was the man holding the silver gun and ultimately shot Gina Stollis.
We the jury find the defendant, Mario Coleman, guilty of murder in the first degree.
Mario Coleman was sentenced to life without parole. La'Dale Nathan was resentenced in 2014 and could be eligible for parole after 75 years.
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On the night of September 10, 2009, the night before Felicia died, Brian was late getting home, and Felicia was mad.
Felicia's texts got pretty angry pretty quickly. You're the hurtful one. I don't like that you effing disrespect me by hanging up. And I'm freaking out.
About 3 a.m., Brian says Felicia calmed down and they both drank some GHB. I take some and then she grabs it and she goes, gulp, gulp, gulp.
And that, according to Brian Randoni, is when a normal night of sex and drugs began to spiral out of control. For the next several hours, according to Randoni, Felicia was freaking out and thrashing about, and at one point flung herself head first through those closet doors. So the two of you fall through the closet door.
A couple of hours later, Brian says Felicia seemed fine.
Brian says he left the bedroom and started his workday downstairs.
Then, at about 11.30 in the morning, Brian says he came back upstairs to the bedroom. Only then did he see the extent of Felicia's condition.
When I heard that Brian was accused of that, I was absolutely shocked. I mean, there's no way. He was a youth minister the time that I met him, and just really big into his faith.
Finally, according to Randoni, hours after the chaos began, Brian ran to get a bottle of hydrogen peroxide to try to help the woman he loved.
It was the morning of September 11, 2009. So you're tending to the scratches, and you pour the peroxide on. You warn her, this is going to sting.
She's breathing, yeah. Okay, if she's breathing, do not give her mouth-to-mouth. No, when I breathe into her, she's breathing, but... So if she's not breathing, you're breathing for her?
Yeah. Come on, baby, fight. Come on, baby, come on.
When paramedics arrived, Felicia was dead, but the EKG still showed a signal. It looks something like this. It's called PEA, pulseless electrical activity, and it's going to play a very important role in this case. The presence of PEA indicates Felicia had been dead no more than 30 minutes.
When police canvassed Brian's apartment, they found some mysterious clues and started to piece together what might have happened in the hours leading up to Felicia's death.
The pillowcases in the dryer appeared to be bloody. And police say the stains matched the stains on the bedroom pillows. And there were odd clumps of hair on the floor.
He told me she was very special to him, and he told me he loved her.
In all, Schoonmaker says he counted some 320 bruises, lacerations and abrasions on Felicia's body. He strongly believes that pattern, from knees to the feet and elbows to the hands, is a hallmark of defensive wounds. According to the detective, Felicia wasn't flailing about and out of control. She was curled up, defending herself.
But you believe and you say that she did all of it to herself?
Those markers include the dark mask of bruises, abrasions, and scrapes on Felicia's face and forehead, the teeth marks inside her lips, and the bite through her tongue. The medical examiner concluded that Felicia had been smothered, forcibly suffocated by covering her nose and her mouth.
He believes that that deep bruising on her face and the bite mark on her tongue were a result of Felicia's desperate struggle to breathe. Brian Randoni was charged with murder, but prosecutors didn't stop there. When they saw the extensive bruising and cuts on Felicia's arms and legs, they added another charge, torture.
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Their bodies are the scene of the crime. Their symptoms and history are clues.
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On November 14, 2011, two years after Felicia's death, Ryan entered a Pasadena courtroom to be tried for murder and torture.
The prosecution was trying to prove a murder when there was no murder.
Ryan's defense attorney, Mark Overland. He says the case is simple. Felicia died from an overdose.
This was a case about GHB and the effects of GHB. The problem with GHB and why it is so dangerous is that there's no way to measure what that lethal level is.
The toxicology report did show Felicia's GHB level was very high. But because of those facial markers, the LA medical examiner still calls it smothering. In fact, at the trial, the medical examiner admitted he concluded it was smothering before even seeing the toxicology report. Something the defense says is just bad science.
They reached conclusions that were just medically unsound. Smothering is something you reach when you don't have any other explanation.
Look no further, he says. GHB is the explanation.
Matrinka Parada is a retired Los Angeles Police Department narcotics cop.
Parada has amassed a video library of people under the influence to help illustrate the dangers of GHB.
Yeah, I need an ambulance at 509 West United. What's going on? My girlfriend, she's having a heart attack. Is she breathing? I don't know.
But Parada says these videos prove it.
Detective Doney argues overdoses are quieter than this.
And on that point, Parada agrees with the prosecution. That's because she believes Felicia took two doses, one the night before she died that caused a rage.
And then the next morning, Parada believes Felicia took another dose, the fatal dose.
The defense brought 17 witnesses over six days.
But the worst part, says Christina, was how the defense painted Felicia as a lowlife.
I felt like I was just going to a really bad funeral, day after day, having to see those photos and them just, you know, picking her apart as some druggie.
The defense maintains Felicia's many wounds were nothing more than self-inflicted scratches, a far cry from torture.
To torture somebody, it's got to be a methodical infliction of pain for a sadistic purpose.
And what about those stained pillowcases in the dryer? When lab tests were completed, they showed no blood. Hardly a case for murder, says the defense. And what's more, the defense adds, Brian simply had no motive to kill Felicia.
Brian Randoni did not take the stand, so the jury never heard him tell his version of what happened that night. They only heard about the brief statements he made to police and that desperate 911 call. Come on, baby, fight. But they didn't need to hear from Brian, given what they were about to be told by this man.
There's no way was she smothered or was it a homicide.
Former San Diego deputy medical examiner Dr. Harry Bunnell, he says homicide is simply impossible and claims the PEA paramedics found in Felicia's body proves it.
PEA stands for pulseless electrical activity. So you have the electrical system of the heart working, but the heart itself is not pumping.
Dr. Bunnell says there are only two causes of PEA.
With reasonable medical certainty, the causes of PEA are drugs or blood volume loss.
And Dr. Bunnell went on, telling the jury there is no PEA in smothering.
There was no murder. There was no evidence to support a murder.
And that is when a real-life courtroom drama unfolded. The prosecutor, who was clearly surprised by this testimony, begged the judge for an opportunity to call a rebuttal witness. But the judge refused.
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There's a verse that says, knock, the door will be open. Seek, and you'll find.
Brian Randoni's murder trial lasted four weeks. I just believe whenever you seek after truth, you find truth. The trial had become quite the sensation, with local media dubbing it the case of the preacher and the porn star.
Bryant's parents had come all the way from Nebraska to L.A. for the trial.
Detective Brian Schoonmaker of the L.A. Sheriff's Homicide Bureau took us to a vacant apartment next door to the actual scene. The layout is identical.
The defense had scored some points during trial.
There was no murder. There was no evidence to support a murder.
Especially when the prosecution lost the opportunity to rebut Dr. Bonnell's testimony. Prosecutors still believe they had a very strong case, Felicia's injuries and that busted-up room. They believed the only explanation was murder.
The jury got the case on a Thursday morning. Now it's just wait for their verdict. And they were back on Friday afternoon. The verdict? Not guilty of torture. Not guilty of murder.
After the trial, two of the jurors agreed to speak with 48 Hours about their decision. They have asked us not to use their names.
First picture that they put up on the screen across the room was her face all bruised. And I'm a nurse, but it shocked me. I remember almost jumping in my chair.
Those photos might have made her jump, but surprisingly, as the jury poured over the evidence, what police thought was the strongest point of the case, Felicia's injuries, did not seem to impress either one of these jurors.
But when we were actually in the juror's room and we were looking at them close up, it became obvious to me that they were more like scratches with scabs on them, almost like what a drug addict does when they pick.
And what about that charge of torture? Did the charge of torture seem reasonable in the situation?
And did that affect your deliberations? Yes. I mean, when you think of torture, I didn't... My personal opinion was her injuries did not substantiate that definition.
Murder, however, did seem possible, at least to one juror. What did you think of the idea, the prosecution, their medical examiner said she was suffocated.
I did. And one of the reasons is because no one can give me a reason why she has all the bruising on her face.
But the other juror we spoke to says she thought it more likely that drugs killed Felicia.
Being a drug addict or even having that as part of your lifestyle, you know, Death always comes with the territory.
And it turns out Dr. Bunnell's testimony was crucial. Was the testimony about PEA the deciding factor for you?
It was. I didn't think he was guilty, but the PEA pretty much solidified my decision.
Were you bothered by the fact that the prosecution did not have an answer for what the defense experts said about PEA? Yes, because they never even explored it. They never brought it up.
The jurors were totally unaware that the prosecutor had tried to call a rebuttal witness, and several medical examiners that 48 Hours spoke with made it clear they would have testified that Dr. Bunnell was incorrect. They say PEA is possible in smothering. This was a complicated case, but for one juror, it was clear that not guilty was not the same as innocent.
Yes. I don't know whether he actually physically killed her or not, but I think he had something to do with her death.
Another cop, Detective Richard Doney, was also on the scene that day.
The problem, this juror says, is that the prosecution simply was not able to prove its case.
I wish I could have come up with a guilty verdict, but with what we had to work with, there wasn't any way that I could.
It does. We did what we could with the evidence and the information that we had. And I wish we'd had more.
It was like they made it okay. Like it's okay for Brian to kill somebody.
Brian Randoni is not a killer. He does have a life. He does have a future. And that future shouldn't be besmirched by these false accusations. And there is not a killer walking the streets.
Brian Randoni thinks the whole thing comes down to a cop with tunnel vision. One cop, Detective Schoonmaker.
Six months after the verdict, Randoni was asked to come back by the very same people who had accused him of murder.
Starfleet is here to make sure no one commits murder.
Think about how screwed up we would be if we had survived a plane crash only to end up eating each other. The only way to truly be safe is to be the only one left.
Think about how screwed up we would be if we had survived a plane crash only to end up eating each other.
The girl on the bathroom floor turned out to be 31-year-old Felicia Tang, a model, an actress, with the typical Hollywood dream of fame and fortune.
Christina knew Felicia for 10 years. She has asked that we not use her last name. I just knew she was making a ton of money.
Mike Ferrari got Felicia started in modeling. He runs D-Sport Magazine, a business built around fast Asian cars and models.
The only way to truly be safe is to be the only one left.
Oh, my goodness. For Felicia, it worked, snagging a couple of small roles in blockbuster movies with big stars. Rush Hour 2 and The Fast and the Furious.
But that really big break never came. And by 2009, after 10 years of the fast life chasing her dream, Felicia decided to slow down and start school. She also met a new man, a successful salesman, a born-again Christian who found a unique way of spreading the gospel. Stand firm and say we need God in America.
Strangely enough, Randoni the preacher also loved Las Vegas. That's where he met Felicia in April 2009. He just went straight at her with that intensity and just went boom right at her.
But Brian Rendoni was charming, attractive, and he had money. So a few days later when he called, Felicia agreed to a date. Still, her friend Christina was skeptical.
But that suggestion of marriage may have been exactly what Felicia was looking for. She wanted to create a home in that type of lifestyle.
And they found out they had a lot in common.
In just two months, Felicia was practically living in Brian's suburban L.A. apartment. So on the day that paramedics found Felicia's body and Brian's bedroom destroyed, it seemed fairly logical that police would suspect Randoni. He had been home. He was the one who called 911. And according to the cops, he was acting a little strange.
GHB, gamma-hydroxybutyric acid. It's a naturally occurring substance found in the body, but it can also be made synthetically. And in the last few decades, it's become a popular illegal party drug. A drug that is supposed to make you feel sleepy and sexy. And it's supposed to be sipped by the capful. Felicia drank it like water, Brian says, from this bottle on her bedside table.
Randoni was charged with Felicia Tang's murder just hours after she was pronounced dead. When he remembers his early days in jail, Randoni says the charge was not only a rush to judgment, but a flat out lie. Did you kill Felicia?
your father's strength. His name is Maximus.
1,500 miles from an L.A. county jail, a squeaky clean Brian Randoni grew up in Nebraska, played football, and when he was a senior in high school, found Jesus. That's also when he discovered a deep desire to spread the gospel.
You listen, and you'll learn. Brian Randoni.
He created his own preaching style, a sort of religious performance art.
He became a youth pastor and hosted a radio show for Christian singles in Dallas.
And now, welcome to Single Time with your host, Brian Randoni.
Brian admits he had a hard time sticking to that one.
And it was the promise of an exciting life that lured him here in the year 2000 to the bright lights and big stars of Los Angeles. What took you from Dallas and religious performance art to Los Angeles and kind of a wild and crazy and somewhat lewd life?
Representing the Cornhusker State, Mr. Nebraska.
And L.A. did not disappoint. Brian had moved here to become an actor, but quickly realized his real talent was in sales. He started his own business, worked hard, and made a lot of money selling phone and Internet services. By June 2009, just two months after meeting the woman of his dreams, Brian says he was already planning their life together.
So he took her home to Nebraska for the 4th of July.
It happened before Brian had time to learn about Felicia's past.
Softcore porn wasn't the only part of Felicia's life that Brian says he hadn't known about. The other was drugs.
All rise, please. The Honorable Donald E. Shelton presiding.
Jane Mixer's death remained unsolved until August of 2004.
Did you ever know a person named Jane Mixer? I did not. Did you ever agree to take Jane Mixer to Muskegon? No.
Do you recall a cigarette butt? Yes, I do. Do you know what happened to it? No, I don't. I wish I could answer you, sir.
Are these the pantyhose that were removed from Jane Mixer's body? Yes, they are.
The person whose DNA you took, do you see him in the courtroom? Yes. Would you point to him, please? He's seated here.
This is the leg opening of the stocking.
All the guidelines were followed in this particular case.
We wear gloves on our hands that we change between every item that we test.
It was a lime green 68 Chevy station wagon.
Is this and was that your verdict? Juror number 264, chair number one. Yes. Is this and was that your verdict? Juror number 218.
Is this and was that your verdict during number 335, chair 6?
Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body part.
Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body part.
Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body part.
We want to announce that one John Norman Collins has been charged with the murder of Karen Sue Bynum.
This special two-part edition of 48 Hours continues. Drawn to murder.
There were obviously other avenues that should have been explored that were not.
They got an arrest warrant for Mr. Masters and charged him with first degree murder of Peggy Hetrick.
Much of the prosecution's case is expected to come from a psychologist.
Plus, she knew just the man to do it. He has developed such an expertise of being able to find the evidence, the trace evidence. If it's still there on the clothing, then Richard can find it.
David Wymore and Maria Lou said, Linda, they'll never let that evidence out of the United States. Never happened before.
He looks where it's most likely logical that a perpetrator has grabbed and possibly has applied force to clothing or to a victim.
Full profile of a male on the inside of the underpants of Peggy Hedrick. Right where he had hypothesized where somebody would with force pull down the underwear.
Because they could always hang their hat on that Tim Masters, he was such a good murderer that he didn't leave any evidence behind.
Explain that one. This is him and only him, no question, no question.
There's DNA from an alternate suspect. on her body in a couple of places and not Tim Masters. That's evidence that a jury, if it had been available back in 99, a jury should have heard.
This is not just, you know... The DNA materials were found in a couple of places on the body that we had tested.
You'd have to ask the Attorney General where he is on the arrest.
There is no evidence tying Dr. Hammond. He just happened to live in the neighborhood.
This young man is going to lead a good, productive life.
Peggy Hetrick, a woman who lived in Fort Collins, was found brutally murdered in a field. When the Fort Collins police began to investigate the case, they looked at a number of suspects. One of those suspects was a 15-year-old, Tim Masters, who lived next to the field. He had gone up to the body that morning, hadn't reported it.
A man claiming he was wrongly convicted of murder fights for a new trial.
There was no physical evidence linking Mr. Masters to the crime. Good afternoon. I'm Don Quick.
They went to his house, and they found very graphic drawings and writings, as well as a large knife collection.
We have repeatedly said that we will go where the evidence takes us.
Through the years, they focused on Tim Masters.
We don't kill people who have birth defects.
Would a normal person do that? A healthy person? Steve looks normal, he looks healthy, but he's not healthy.
I wanted to really look into his brain and try to find out some explanation for what had happened.
Based on his brain structure, he operates right on the edge of insanity all of the time.
The defendant would call Dr. Bernard Albiniak.
Can we say that he chooses to be that way?
You're looking as close as we can come to showing you what insanity can look like.
I believe in theory, and I believe in the experts who tell me that we're right.
He was insane, and that is the only verdict. that's justified by the evidence in this case.
Would you say this could be a birth defect? Definitely.
That's where the brain defect, the mental defect is. That's where the ability to distinguish between right and wrong, that's where that function lies in the brain. And he doesn't have it.
The ultimate punishment should be reserved for people who have a healthy brain.
If you're going to die, do it, saving your mom. And I tried. I fought harder than I ever had the entire night.
Why would this happen? How could another person do this to someone that they loved? Someone that they needed? Someone they depended on?
How does someone in their right mind do those things?
My heavens, look at the facts of this case. Laura Ling was one of maybe two people in the world who were willing to help him at this point. It makes absolutely no sense that he would just kill her for no reason. What's the motivation here?
We've heard the three students... It sounded like fireworks just going off. Pop, pop, pop.
You see so many ambulances at the school. Someone said, somebody's got a gun. I heard some shots. We heard the shots, and I saw some kid laying on the ground.
I was really close to where the gunman was. Grabbed my camera and started taking pictures.
Everybody was running around. Who is he? I don't know.
You have a whole quad full of people. You know, he fired. He killed a person in the restroom. He shot someone in the back who ran and collapsed and died in my teacher's arms.
And he is still shooting. He's still shooting. He's still shooting. OK.
It was around 3 in the morning, and my doorbell was ringing. So I got up, and I went through the window. When I opened the curtain, I saw four people standing there, father, mother, and the two children, teenagers. They looked very scared. Something told me I should open the door, and I opened the door.
I noticed they had some scratches on their knees and some on their arms. So I offered to clean them up and give them some medicine. I offered to call the police so they could get some more help. She said that she was going to call the police.
As time goes on, hopefully this will heal itself.
From your perspective, is this positive, negative, whatever?
Did you, when you were treating Scott Struthers, have any information at all relating to these emails?
Did you ever hear of them when you were treating them?
Did you do your very best treating Scott Struthers?
Did he ever have any evidence of recent homicidal ideation?
Did he ever show any evidence of present dangerousness?
Authorities finally have enough evidence to say Matt Baker gave his wife, Carrie Baker, a lethal cocktail of sleeping pills and alcohol. Her nose and bruises to her lips indicate she was also smothered with a pillow.
My son slammed like $6 worth of blueberries in five minutes.
Matt Baker has been behind these walls, but today he was released from jail.
There's got to be something at the heart of that evidence that they've got.
It can make a big impact on the jury if they see all these different dates. June 1973, he hit me in the face. 1974, he kicked me in the leg.
She'd be able to say, I never used a hatchet. I returned that hatchet.
Did you ever have an opportunity to observe any bruises or injuries on Nancy's body? I remember a black eye.
Do you ever suspect any domestic violence in her relationship with her husband?
She's been a fixer. That's the big theme of this case.
He's punched a hole in the wall. She fixed it herself. Kicked a hole in the door. She fixed it. And as irrational as this may sound, she thought, at that point in time, I can fix this.
There's got to be something at the heart of that evidence that they've got.
There's got to be something at the heart of that evidence that they've got.
For three long days, the jurors were split. The idea of a hung jury just stuck sideways in my throat because then there's no closure for anyone.
To me, I thought it was extremely important. It was extremely important. And we took her picture of the day planner with a post-it note and put beside it and reread the letter.
You could see where she was taking the things from the post-it note and incorporating those in her letter.
She was leaving a clear road map to her murder.
Police could only speculate about how the body came to be buried in the backyard of the one-time Sohus residence.
His family was not like every other family. There was a lot of love there, but there was also a lot of family drama.
Constant infighting, animosity among siblings for money, for their father's money. And I think that that's where the drama always came back to, was who was going to get dad's money?
We found text messages where he confronted her and said, you know, your spending is done. We've got to get a handle on this.
The Ferris family is made up of Gary Ferris, the patriarch, Melody Ferris, the mother, and then there were four children, the oldest being Chris Ferris, then there was Scott Ferris, and then you have Emily, and then Amanda.
We were waiting on the autopsy results and the positive identification of Gary Wayne Ferris' body.
She admitted that she drives RTV all the time, has operated the tractor.
Both were capable of pulling a lot of weight. This tractor has a bucket on the front that is designed to scoop heavy loads. We found tractor marks, but there were tractor marks all over the property, but there were none necessarily obviously leading right up to the burn pile.
We found blood, evidence of blood on the vehicles.
I can. So on the tractor, we found blood evidence in this area.
Gary Ferris was a brilliant commercial real estate attorney. He was very smart. He loved his kids.
There's also a theory that she did it under her own power, rolling him down to the burn pile. It's downhill all the way to the burn pile.
We don't know exactly how she got him to the burn pile.
She was a farm girl. She was resourceful. We know she killed him. How she did it doesn't really matter because we know she did because he was there.
Melody is a very straightforward person who, for the last 35 years, had been a stay-at-home mom.
The answer to the question, who did it, sits right there. Melody Walker-Ferris.
He goes downstairs, trying to get away. She shoots him again. There was a blood trail from the kitchen, and they went down the steps.
Those blood trails never leave out of the house, upstairs or downstairs.
Gary had been bitten by one of Melody's dogs on the ankle and was bleeding as he walked down the stairs.
We're talking tiny little droplets of blood. That would not be consistent with a shooting.
Melody Ferris, at her size, it is impossible that she moved that body from the location where the state says his body was to a burn pile. It is absolutely impossible.
One big thing you're going to hear, and you're going to hear it a lot, is Scott Ferris.
13 minutes after law enforcement arrives, Scott Ferris is already blaming his mother. From the very beginning, Scott is saying, Melody, Melody, Melody, leading law enforcement down this trail.
The Farrises lived on the east end of the county.
You're from Alabama, is that right? Excuse me, Tennessee. I apologize.
Their property was around 10 acres, very nice piece of property. It was obvious that these people were likely affluent.
You were in love with her, fair to say? Yes. And she was in love with you, fair to say? Yes. Do you recall searching for wedding bands on the internet?
What type of wedding bands did y'all have in mind?
No. He was still in a relationship with her. He didn't know how this was going to turn out.
They lived a life, though, odd to a lot of us. It was normal to them.
How is it that you know the defendant in this case?
She became more hostile. She was more aggressive with us. She was demanding money.
I was asked in 2018, July of 2018, to analyze some phone records.
On 4th of July of 2018, everything changed for this family.
So this helps us know when the device is traveling even within a certain area.
100%, the device moves from 758 to 905. Someone must be moving it.
We knew that the only person home was Melody.
Scott leaves the residence around 6.30 a.m. on July 4th. He does not return to the home until 8 p.m.ish, 8.30 p.m. on July 4th.
You can clearly see that sometimes the circle's very large, sometimes it's small, and sometimes it says you're absolutely nowhere close to where you are.
This is 320 pounds. I am 185 pounds. And that's all I have.
I just, it's not realistic. And then the fact that they presented no actual evidence as to how she did that, that means there's doubt.
Once we agreed on the time of death, then it was, okay, well, how is this phone moving after Gary's body? It was in the burn pile. Who was on the property at that time? And who was? Melody.
But in my mind, I thought that she first shot him inside the house because there was evidence of that. I thought maybe he had run out the door trying to get away from her. And maybe she took him by gunpoint down to the burn pile. I think that maybe the burn pile is the last place she shot him.
I'm back at the prosecution table and we're all kind of like, I cannot believe this is happening. So I was not prepared for that.
It was shocking that that is the opportunity she believed was hers to take.
With this being a working farm, they would pile tree stumps and rotten firewood, just kind of like a trash pile, and every now and again they'd burn it.
And why would she lie now? You have to look at the timing of the statement. She has nothing to lose. She's going to make all kinds of off-the-wall claims at this point that are just not provable.
We heard the radio call that some remains had just been found in a fire. The first thing that stuck out to me was the amount of fire damage done to the body. This guy's been in this fire burning for quite some time. During the excavation of the bones, there's a bullet found lodged in a rib bone. This is not an accident. It's a murder.
Melody Farris will be eligible for parole in 2054. She will be 94 years old.
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They go through the family members, and they're going to look at who had the opportunity. And anyone who lived on that property would have been in that box.
How did he get on the burn pile? Who shot him? With what gun? Where? We don't have a single clue. I called it a soap opera because of the old TV show Dallas. You had money. Then you had the who shot JR, except it was who shot Gary Farris.
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I had never personally responded to a call like that, no.
Their bodies are the scene of the crime. Their symptoms and history are clues.
They're all in their late 20s, early 30s at this point, if not a little bit older.
Scott's main function at this point in his life is to be the foreman.
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I've always had this... gut feeling if something ever happened to my dad that somebody needed to check her out.
Murders don't happen every day in Cherokee County. The type of murder that happened in this case doesn't happen a lot. But if it were to happen, it would be in this family.
That's what we interpreted it as as we started looking at it, is that possibly something happened upstairs, led down the stairs and into the basement.
So your statement is you didn't do anything to harm Gary? No. And you don't know who did? No.
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We learned that Rusty is... Melody's lover that she's having an affair with and has had an affair with for quite some time. Did you fall in love with Rusty?
Depends on who you ask. The evidence showed that it appeared to be pretty serious. They were researching wedding bands.
Your husband is there at the same venue and you're dancing and drinking and having a good time with this other man. It was upsetting to Gary, you know, it was upsetting to all the family.
He would never, ever intentionally kill. pull a weapon to kill. I knew him. I knew he was gonna get a not guilty verdict.
Do you want your seatbelt, Chris? I want a bowl in my head.
I don't know what we got here. They said possible shots fired.
Law Center 21, we are going to enter the building. Law Center 21, we got Lady Dow, Lady Dow.
Guns, and he placed them all over the house to intimidate her.
You definitely don't say what he said at the end of the phone call after you accidentally shoot someone.
Shouldn't be. Everybody knew his Jeep. It had a customized tag that said zero dark 30 on it. So you can't miss it.
Maybe other police departments that maybe are a little lenient on stuff won't be so lenient. next time.
She loved doing arts and crafts. She still decorated her tree with the ones we made when we were kids.
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And I said, well, Dinah, why don't you just wait? And she didn't want to wait. She wanted to marry Clay. She was in love with him.
Mr. Foreman, is there?
There's got to be something at the heart of that evidence that they've got.
I think they were bridesmaids from my wife's life. That's right.
Okay. I mean, I don't know how it got there, but Chris said it was there. There's only one way for it to get there.
I'm not going to say anything. I probably need an attorney now, I think. You probably need one, or you do need one. If you're saying I did that, then I probably need an attorney to talk to. Well, is that all we got then? We're going to let you walk out of that door just like we told you.
And she calls me and she says, Clay murdered And I said, do what?
Mormon is charged with capital murder. Guilty or not guilty.
Not guilty. Guilty.
This is not going to be easy for a lot of people because it's been a long time coming.
You gotta remember, this happened in 1995.
Mr. Burbank, do you want to make an opening statement at this time?
He didn't really have anything, and he knew it. Next witness.
We wanted to remind everyone this is about Catherine and her family, and that's the way we wanted to start off with.
And then the next thing we know, you know, my mom and dad drove up and told us what, I mean, there were no words. She was dead. That was all that mattered. I didn't know how, what, or anything. I didn't know what happened to her.
Four years later, I had a daughter, and her name is Catherine. Catherine, after my sister. And she never got to know her. That's the hardest part.
He was your supervisor?
And I'm Maggie Freeling.
Did you think at the time you were in love with the defendant?
First he tied my hands back.
He tied your hands behind your back? Yes. Did he threaten to cut your throat if you didn't? Yes. This whole thing took a while, didn't it?
Yes, sir. I'm sorry.
What happened then?
He took me home.
Did he say something that you felt was odd?
Yes, he said three things. He said...
She had indicated back in 85 or 86 that he had come to her apartment and knocked on the door and told her that he was having financial and marital problems with Diana and he needed somebody to talk to, and so she let him in.
That's the way we thought he got to Catherine, because Catherine was very Christian, very given, very naive, and it's a wonderful thing to be, except when you're faced with Clayton Foreman.
You heard different things in reference to sex things and stuff like that. Okay. Still doesn't make him a murderer. You may not like him because of what people said, but I submit to you they have not proven murder beyond a reasonable doubt.
And it's so easy to believe that evil doesn't exist. It is here in this courtroom here today. These are things I wish I didn't know existed. I'm sorry I had to talk to you about it. But I didn't bring this here. He did.
And I do pray that Mike and I, Sonia, You've done a good job for Gavin and you.
I hope we've done our job.
Is this a unanimous one? Yes, sir.
We in the jury find the defendant guilty.
It didn't take long because all the evidence was there. Once it got into the DNA, more or less sealed it for him.
He had no defense that it wasn't him. There's no denial there.
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I have my own speculations. I think some people are demon-possessed or demon-influenced, because that's pure evil. There's nothing else you can explain. That's just evil.
Oh, my gosh. I think I would say I love her, and I'm sorry. I'm so sorry this happened to her. I was honored to be given the privilege to help give answers. Very honored. Very honored. She was a very special person. She really was.
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It's got to be DNA. Yeah.
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What happened, ma'am? We came over here and found her. Please send someone. Okay, we're sending someone, ma'am. Was she shot or what? We can't tell.
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My sister's dead. My parents are over there. Who's your sister? Katherine Edwards.
As to the charge of murder, we, the jury, unanimously find the defendant, John Keith Blauvelt, guilty.
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And they just hit it off. She's lovable, caring, funny. Who wouldn't fall in love with her?
I had no idea the parole system was so rotten.
Oh, that's a very fair question. Absolutely, I don't want him out. But I don't even want to go up there before 17 years because that's what I was told.
We don't know what those commissioners are thinking.
Two years, we got two years, and I feel very, very drained, and I know my family's so worn out.
And that's when I noticed his airbags were out.
He had blood coming out of his ears and his nose, and I couldn't, I'm not exactly sure if it was coming out of his mouth or not, because, I mean, there's just blood everywhere from his nose and everything.
Love you, boys.
Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Let your winners ride.
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This season has been amazing so far. The Dorit and Kyle drama is heating up and I'm not going to forget that image of Dorit smoking in her car anytime soon.
and I can't wait for Sutton to give us another iconic line this season. Name him. Name him.
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We're out back here at Tootie's in a new edition. She's upstairs in a K-hole. Okay. Okay. So we're on our own for dinner, boys.
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Yes, I know what you're talking about.
That's like landing on the moon. God.
Yes, sir, and gang, we couldn't be more excited to have our incredibly, and I mean incredibly special guest back with us again today. He is the American Messiah. One of the funniest, one of the most prolific stand-up comedians, podcasters, and actors working today.
She said, we'll take two of those. Keep them coming.
We're 12 years old. Okay. That's good stuff. I'd like to step into the bathroom for just a quick second. Absolutely. This is something I've been noticing that I do as a bigger guy. I don't really know why I do it. I just feel more comfortable.
At home or away, when you're using the facilities, do you work with the toilet paper off the roller, or do you find yourself taking it and holding it in your hand and using it from there? I do it in the hand. I've been freestyling it, too. You put your thing in and, like, walk. Yeah, you freestyle it. It's a better situation.
Yeah, I like to have it in my hand. It's terrible. Steadicam style.
Brings up another thing that we've been talking about lately on the podcast. Let's say you're at somebody's house for said dinner party or Christmas or whatever, and you have to use the bathroom. Yeah. One, will you use it? Of course. Two, will you go upstairs?
How would you feel if we were at your party, I had to go, I can't use that one off the kitchen because I'm going to embarrass everybody. Sure. Embarrass myself. Would you be okay with me wandering upstairs and using, let's say, yours in the master bedroom? Would that be a problem?
Keep the Santa Fe egg rolls coming and enjoy that. I'll be out by the pool having a parliament.
Very good. Growing up, was there ever a family picture? Where you were all wearing the same thing, maybe a white linen shirt on the beach at a state park?
We kind of pretended not to know each other. I love that. Actually. Which it's funny because there's a thin line between that. It's garbage. Even like, you know, rich people and well-to-do people like to do everybody's wearing the white shirt on the beach, which that's trashy in itself. But when you look at a family picture and you're like, do these people know each other? Right.
It is super garbage. Looks like a bus stop.
He's not a complete pussy. Would the family come to the swim meets? Would they come and support? My mother was the coach. Really?
Start getting real cautious in the water.
Christmas, New York City. You could smell the walnuts cooking or whatever they are. It was great.
She's working on some things.
And a little too tangy on the sauce.
Yeah, it's a little puffy.
I agree. I don't know if anybody's had Domino's recently. Those guys are getting it.
Longevity. Yeah. It's like living in a blue zone.
Yes. The garlic knot does not get enough love in this country.
Was there ever a show as a family in the Dillon household that you all watched together?
Yeah, PTSD. I've got gout. I'm doing blow. Get the blood flow moving. Buddy, thank you for coming back. Congrats on the special. Thank you so much for having me. Congrats on everything.
Shut up, Eddie Murphy.
We always had the thing. Me and my brother, mom would do the same thing. You're packing your lunch. We'd go through the variety chip bag in about two hours. There'll be nothing left for the week.
That's great. These are canned vegetables. I know. They're sugar.
Canned green beans are awesome.
You were in this exact outfit. I told her, shut up. He's got the glances on.
I think you're still, you and Gilly are going back and forth.
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Was the cereal on top of the fridge at your house growing up? Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Apple Jacks, thank you very much. No kidding.
Only served at the Shamrock.
Man, when a bartender says, I can't serve you anymore.
And he goes like this.
That's what it takes to get the good cereal.
Would you add sugar to the stuff? So what would you actually get? Would you get the honey in a Cheerios?
No, not at all. It has a sweetness for it.
Very, very simple. Very nice.
That's a wild combo. Off to the races. I get it. Wild combo. Off to the races. Just salty enough. Was there ever a bowl of nuts in the house, like on the coffee table? No, never.
The walnuts, the crackers, nothing like that?
And they'd put them in the freezer and say they're going to make banana bread out of them. They'd find them, like, a year later back there.
And had a hankering for Count Chocula.
You go to 6th Ave? You know the boys down there at 6th Ave, the DXL?
That's too good. Not being in the city, but did you ever walk to work? Did you ever have to walk to work?
That's my guys down there.
A lot of people carrying clothes and plastic bags. A couple of undesirables. Yes.
That was the bus. That was the bus. A real basket of deplorables. Have you ever sat at the desk at a bank? You ever sat at the desk? Yeah, I was a mortgage guy for years. That's true.
Do you really? Of course. Oh, my God, that's so funny.
Take the 20 bucks. Take the eight. Take a taste. Take it. Take a taste of Friday. Take a taste. Give me some cash.
I'm going to have to make a little room. Mr. Dillon, where would you like the omelet bar? Over by the ironing board, please.
Will you make your own waffle at a hotel in the breakfast? Not anymore. I don't go to them anymore. I don't go to them anymore. If I bump into you at a Holiday Inn Express. I made one recently.
Start shaving your head. Yikes. Bad news. Now, let's see. You've traded your Via Veneta in for gelato, but let's see. Yeah, let's see.
Made a lot of money on those two shows, though.
They were big. Okay.
Stupid. The thing about the Waffle Station is with all the insurance things. Yeah. You know, you take the high dives away, you take this away, you take that away. You got this burning hot thing. You would think that would be gone by now. You can't take it all away. True, true. You got to thin the hurt somehow.
I'll give you that.
Is it ground beef or is it hamburger meat?
For sure. When you moved up to the 90-10. Yeah.
Of course. Of course. We all know that.
Have a little skim. Skim's like water. Do you shake the milk up when you pull it out of the fridge? Yeah, you go like this, up and down, yeah. Okay. Very good.
That sounds like the Ritz of the Four Seasons, right?
But it could be better than I know. When's the last time you had a Carvel? Have you had a Carvel in the last couple of months? I have a Carvel gift card in my wallet.
Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. You ever take a picture with money? Maybe he has a phone.
How much was the fucking hoagie tray?
That's what they did. I respect it.
This is not a good answer.
I know. I'm here to learn, Tim. Those minibar restockers, that's a shifty bunch. You think he's not taking the money? They show up at like 8.30 in the morning.
Seems a little tacky to me. DXL pink blazer on, Timmy.
Were you going to stay at the hotel?
Is that your statement? Is that the best hotel in the country you feel?
We got thrown out of that joint.
Rack of lamb. In your bathroom at your house or houses, do you have a cup next to the sink in the bathroom?
Would you ever use the coffee machine in the hotel room?
I'm telling you, it did not get to the outer layer. What you may know as the upper atmosphere. It stayed within the molten core of the butt cheek. The underwear, on the other hand, didn't make it. Thank you. You're welcome. I appreciate your hospitality. Of course.
Okay. Really? But not because of grossed out purposes.
Can I ask you this? I haven't been able to talk to anybody about this. I'm kind of outing myself here with the boys are not going to be happy with this. We never believed anything you said about the last run either. How do you feel about the Taco Bell Cantina items? I don't fuck with them. Tim, am I wrong? Buddy, do yourself a favor. You got to do a little audible.
I will try that chicken taco with the cheese on the outside. Throw a little bit of lettuce tomato on there. It is unbelievable.
You could hear a pin drop in the studio right now.
That is great. Master pie. Wow, man. Have you ever been in a Capital One cafe? I have not. I hate those fucking things.
There's nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong. I've always said a Percocet cup of coffee and a cigarette in the morning. Is that wrong?
Will you spit it back? Say you haven't taken a sip of soda. A piece of ice goes in your mouth. You spit it back in the cup? I'll crunch it.
Certain things shouldn't be for everybody.
It's like you're in here. Okay. It's like you're right here.
It's a lot. Have you used the stove at your place?
It's like a FEMA camp when you walk in there. I have a theory that I have expressed to Kevin in private that our culture as Americans, we are the coolest at times in history where Burger King and Pepsi are the driving force. When Burger King and Pepsi are in, things are really good. It's actually beautiful to hear someone articulate that with words.
We are at our coolest when Burger King's popping and Pepsi's popping.
We could get it back. We could be cool again. That's right. Just one crispy chicken sandwich away.
The thickness of that shredded yellow cheddar cheese at the salad bar, covered in ranch with a slab of chocolate pudding on the side. We've discussed this. It still holds true to this moment. You couldn't be more right. Talk about a maverick, a big potato at a fast food restaurant.
As we said at the beginning of the program, a true American prophet. I'm going to say that. Well, that's very sweet of you. The special, I'm Your Mother, out on Netflix right now. Do yourself a favor. Kill it.
Sherbert. Thank you. Is it rainbow or is it orange? I'm not God. Tim Dillon, everybody.
Watch Tim's special. Listen to the show. Go see him out on the road. One of the absolute best.
Gang, we love you. We'll see you next week. Peace.
What do you think the world would be like if vodka sauce was never invented?
Enough with the cacio e pepe. We get it.
Yeah. We know cream sauce doesn't go in a carbonara. We're aware it's egg yolk.
A little side of Texas toast. Yeah. All right.
I want to ask you this. You're well-traveled. You hang out in certain circles. That's right. I want to talk about a dinner party. Sure. I want to talk about two things. One, if you're having a dinner party. One, if you're going to a dinner party. Interesting. What do you think it's appropriate to bring to a dinner party? What does a guy like you bring?
Here's the fucked up thing. We talked to an etiquette coach. That's the right answer.
They have clipboards and white coats.
I've mentioned this to you before, I believe, but you ruined me with the Haagen-Dazs, what is it, raspberry cheesecake, or what is it?
If I could turn back the clock on that.
White chocolate's good for you. It's a little treat. It's a little treat. Now, have you been on the other side of that where you throw a dinner party? You know, I'm sure you put out a nice, great host.
It was six bucks a car.
You can whack me out. You can charge me extra for the SUV.
Wow, I wouldn't have known there was a hiccup on that.
At what point does this party get to the point where All the rich people that you know are chasing Kevin and I around the yard.
And we're greased up in Vaseline naked.
Go all Greek? Huh? Do some gyros?
Everybody's smelling like tzatziki.
What about a luau? What about a whole pig?
Hey, everybody out there, and welcome back to everybody's favorite podcast. This is Are You Garbage? Take two. It's that little show where you sit down with your favorite comedians, and we find that they're good to be classy. Yeah. But they're just a big old piece of trash. Trash, trash, trash. I'm your host, H. Foley, coming at you on a beautiful day.
I like a Peking duck, too.
Good duck out there on the island, too. Get it all. Very good. That's right. Now, have you had people show up to something like that or a smaller supermarket pie like an animal?
Thanks so much. So are you saying Tim Dillon is now beyond the apple crumb pie at a stop and shop? Yes. At a catered event. Yes.
What about the nice icing cookies that they have?
They could have done it. Get a cookie bus on the way.
That's a little treat. All right. I like that. Okay. Okay. We're getting somewhere now. I wanted to ask you this. I'm sure this is something in the family. Yeah. If a number's mentioned, 25-25. Oh, 63-92. They're pumping gas. That's a good number. You should play that number.
I always thought that was the weirdest gift to give somebody, a lottery ticket. Here you go. Nothing. Nothing.
Yeah. Chris Elliott. Chris, why don't you tell the folks a little bit more about this lovable character?
Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein.
Some people say that would be a long shot. If people wanted to play the game right, it would be 100% certain that they'd become a state.
I don't want to be cute. I don't want to be a wise guy. But the Riviera of the Middle East, this could be something that could be so bad. This could be so magnificent.
We do not know what led to this crash, but we have some very strong opinions and ideas, and I think we'll probably state those opinions now.
It's all under investigation.
Because I have common sense. Okay? And unfortunately, a lot of people don't.
It's been a long time, so it's like, I don't know what it looks like right now.
Do you remember how tall he was? And how tall are you? Okay, so like 5'6", 5'7"?
There's a reason for that. Yeah. They didn't have a plug.
could you hear that welcome everybody to another go ahead ailey you say ask episode ask whoa you say ask did you say episode you say ask ask you say come
I'm proud of us. We did it. I'm proud of us. Look at us. Look at us. Look at us.
Remember those old dungeon doors, those old dungeon doors where they have the slide and you look and then they close it.
Ready? Tell.
Now you guys see why I wanted to go first.
I thought Jan's exit was breathtaking. The exit.
Yeah.
I ain't no fucking, I ain't no theologist, nigga.
Nice palm trees, good water.
A timeshare on Nigger Island. You're never leaving.
He ain't had no bleaching cream inside the prison.
The knuckles and the elbows.
I know nigga strength when I see nigga strength.
Trying to put niggas back on crack.
Because I was born in 89. Yeah. And I'm 35.
Just looking at you like, yeah.
Turn right back into Sambo.
Yeah, you're a little scruffy.
You got to get up and get out of the house.
You ain't got to worry about that.
This my time to speak my piece, because not doing this for so long has been a pit on the lease. Gorilla in a coupe, I know they want to contain the beast. But making up for lost time so I can make ends meet. Earn my keeps, it's fine if y'all want to stay sleep. I'm still pushing out, getting that I know.
Yeah, man. That girl almost died the first time. Yeah, this nigga's bugging, man. They give me an ultimatum. Have my baby or be breaking up. What he said?
Fuck him. Yeah. And then she got a special needs son. That's a hard job on his own right there. That's the work. Yeah, that's the work. How about be more supportive?
Great beat selection. You are not ready to start submitting your music.
Because if you send some shit like that again, we're going to put you, we're going to add you in the group track with Roots. Yeah. And what's the thing?
Smith came through the walk. She came in late, too.
Oh, yeah, he did. Like he said he would. Yeah, he did. Man of his word.
Shout out to you. Somebody asked me, did I feel famous? And I was like, nah. What I felt was humble. Yeah. I felt very humble. Yeah. I didn't feel famous.
Yeah. It was just a humbling experience.
Who came up with that one?
Ronald Reagan. Holy shit. Hold on, son. Hold on, son. Ronald Reagan is crazy. Before he dropped the crack off in the hood. All it takes to fear is fear itself.
Just give them that. See what happens.
Yeah, yeah. That's crazy.
That was FDR. Close enough, nigga. Same nigga.
Soup lines and dust bowls. Crazy.
Hey, yo. Nigga, FDR did that.
Yeah, turn that crock pot back on.
Niggas trying to get that all. Oh, yeah.
I mean, I've seen the shows.
Great. Oh, she having one in Houston?
Yes.
Giotto.
Really?
Wow.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That's so interesting.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. They're different.
Okay?
Yeah.
Really?
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bye.
Okay.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
15?
Yeah. Mm hmm.
Okay, yeah.
Okay.
And then.
I immediately start vomiting.
Do you know what this is? I do. This is when Vandris turns into a bat.
I'm assuming this is the cave.
24.
Fuck yourself.
It's going to make a claw against you, Voss. Oh, no, no, no, no. Eighteen.
The sneaky tag is 3d6.
I have to read what Belmont just said. Mem is a scrub. What is GGWP? I take it GGWP does not mean good game, white people.
So close to another 90-20.
You're talking about the freaking Demogorgon right now. You guys could
Because you fucking killed it.
We're going to get some comments.
I'd be critical.
The new jobs will fix that. Yeah, create some jobs.
I hate this guy.
You just happen to be around each other.
That's crazy.
Like there was a lot of cops out. Like, I know.
Can they have any neighbors? Or no, not a good thing. I can't use that with my kids. Well, the neighbor. The neighbor. They're on their way under.
We haven't been able to move on from it. Still following us.
Senior year?
I'm not going to the 20-year reunion anymore.
He can't go.
What else? Now you're all hurt. You're like, it's over.
I'm sorry.
2004.
Our class is better. Actually, we don't want to go to that one. The lamest people on the planet. On that note. Thanks for joining us.
I don't think I had one shiny moment. Yeah, were there any? I don't think so.
They fucking killed all the squirrels.
Nobody fucking likes you, dude, because I'll fuck. And the other guy would be like, fuck you.
Oh, yeah. You get him on the girls varsity. Fast gay kid. You see him running like Forrest Gump in front of a truck.
one or two, one or two, one or two, get in it. Just hurry up. Go. Yeah.
We did it.
Get this thing around.
Yeah.
Swastika.
There's 14 Air Bud movies.
All the animals in Homeward Bound died. Yeah. They killed a bunch of animals making that movie.
I know.
It was the only way I could win. He did not win. A little Joanna man, then. I think Infinite Jest is a joke. What? The book. It's a great book. No, but I think the whole book is a joke. Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean? Like it's a joke by the author on the people reading it. No, I think he wrote it out of love. Yeah, no, not at all. Did you read Infinite Jest? No, it's too long.
But no, I love that book. That's why I think it's a joke. And then everyone just tries to figure out what it means, and it's like, no, it's just a joke.
He has double pneumonia.
2017.
Of course, they just fell out of her shirt.
I think the show's over. I'm fully depressed. What are the liver boys going to do?
I don't know. Go get a fucking job.
I don't understand.
Why do people care if they're just eating liver? I don't know.
Why is that a thing? Because he got so jacked.
He was just doing steroids. Once that comes out, it's like the show's a sham.
I got to watch this guy now.
Excuse me? Excuse me?
Listen, I don't know anything about you. I know Matt McCusker.
Crafty people.
True. Fair enough. Is he dead?
You think you could take him down?
I'll fucking show you.
What exactly?
Did you really?
Yeah. This is what it is.
You think so?
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, it was not chill.
Yeah? What was the line?
No, I'd say like six, six, six months. Let me let me just have some restart time.
Yeah.
That actually just made me laugh because I'm like, it's actually the same color.
Yeah, you're even uglier.
It's like, sure.
They're like, this is crazy. I'm doing two jobs and I'm getting paid for one.
Yeah, no. You better be good. I will be.
That's what I tell myself. Yeah.
I'm getting off on this. This is so hot that you can't please either of us.
You don't know what's happening.
Where he's like, could you deport me somewhere else? This is bullshit.
Oh, I bet.
Right. That's how it starts out.
Unless we like fucked it. You're playing golf and then you're making out. You're like, hey, can you do my laundry also? He's like, I'll wash all your clothes. Just take them all off.
But it was so close.
Yeah, we're just kidding. Jesus, you fucking rule.
Oh, no. And then what?
That's pretty fucking funny.
I actually think it's fake.
Guys, can you put this to the beginning of the ask?
Can you move this to the beginning?
Average-sized dicks are where it's at.
Nobody wants a big dick.
The jackhammer move?
He's like in another world.
Oh, for sure it's for him.
Can you please not leave me a bad Yelp review, actually?
Is that supposed to be Jesus?
Why didn't she just leave?
This is like kind of gross. It's very small.
You just lost half the fan base. Fuck, aren't they pedophiles? Guys.
Oh, did you notice my podium is so big and the guest is so small? Listen, it's a big dick energy move. It's very phallic. This is a very small energy. I know, I know. But I did do that consciously because it made me laugh to be like at a gigantic podium.
I love it.
Yeah.
You're like, oh, it's six. That's great.
I was like, what a fucking piece of shit.
Yeah, that would be... I'm going to stick my dick in there and my balls, so you're going to get everything. You just spray like an ungodly amount of cum out of your tiny fingers.
We have no idea if this is going to be a match or not.
He's like, this hurts, but I'm going to keep going.
Yeah, true. Just watching, just real.
Just watching Fighter and the Kid clips. Yeah.
Yeah, it was all right, but I just prefer the energy brought in GP.
He's like, just create some cool riffs. Yeah.
Really? Yeah.
Yeah.
That was when you did the weed edibles last time?
Bro, your swap is hell. Thank you so much for putting up with this. I'm trying to... Yeah, taking mushrooms is sick. Here's my fucking setup. It sucks. Sorry. Yeah, I think we did it.
I think you might have found your... Just trash people.
Yeah, you're about to get tapped into the worst dudes ever.
I forgot to tell you, you got to clip this to yourself. I'm so sorry, dude. He's pulled your hair.
I was like, oh, this is great until it's not. I guess this has to be.
It's not that bad.
I'll just leave it right here. All right.
It rips.
Wow, wow, Wes.
Mmm!
He was probably a good guy.
But I feel like he... Well, I know.
We both look, I don't know. I don't know neither. I don't know.
Yeah, no, as you were speaking, I was like, wow, that's so good.
Yeah.
I'm minding my business.
Almost the whole day. It was so nice. And then she came downstairs. I'm on the couch.
One of my friends said I was like finishing for...
I remember that. 20 pictures of me before Christ. Yeah, my bathing suit pictures. I was bugging.
Take that log out your eye.
We can bring it up because I'm past it. Oh, my gosh. It was the first time.
It was, it's going down in history.
I'm making a podcast about a man who used to live in this area. Yes, the guy, the Rolex. That's the one. But the guy was actually, because they got the wrong house, the police, when they came here, they came to this place.
So you knocked on that door? This door, yeah. They didn't have the name up. No, we put that up. Yeah, and it would be confusing because that's Little London Farmhouse, Little London Price.
Relatives. Relatives and this is because...
That's the one. But the guy was actually, because they got the wrong house, the policeman, they came here, they came to this place.
So what on earth did Audrey and Frank tell Redmond that day that was so memorable, so enduring, that decades later a future owner of the house would be able to recall it? Back to Redmond.
It would have been fascinating to meet you, because that's not who you are right now.
We'll be right back with more That Was Us.
His reaction every time is like, oh, thanks, man. So they're like, cue the lights.
There's a few more deep things to talk about in this conversation with Kate and Toby. First of all, I almost glanced over Madison at the top of this scene. And the interaction between the two of you made me laugh out loud at least two or three times.
It's fucking fantastic.
She calls him Toblerone. And he's like, I don't like that. Then she hits him with the one, two, Mike and Molly. You guys are so Mike and Molly. And I was like, oh, that is so rude.
No, I think she's like, okay, see you later, Toby Bryant. And he's like, what are you? Oh, you know, I actually like Toby Bryant. That's not bad.
Yeah. So we get into the media. You guys talk about the codependency and why it's important that you have separate bachelor parties, bachelor, bachelorette parties, right? While you very much want to be together, it's important for us to have some things that are separate for us.
She wants time with him. He backs up Beth and is like, okay, we can switch it.
Oh, we can kind of get there in a second because we have a behind-the-scenes Magic Mike story to tell. But there was also your brother. That's what I wanted to talk about.
Toby brings up his brother and how he finds a way to not be present and whatnot. Now, here's the thing, and I only want you to touch on it and how you feel about it. Chris Sullivan has a brother. And this is only like, cause I know this is just surface, but I thought like it's an interesting sort of parallel if you want to touch on it at all.
Which would be very slippery, by the way. You ever step over the alley? It was slippery.
Here's the thing about it too. And this is, I mean, just sort of addressing sibling relationships. are so different and unique to every pair of siblings. I have an older brother and an older sister. I have a little brother and a little sister, but they were adopted when I was already in grad school. So they're 22 and 24 years younger than me.
So didn't really have a chance to like connect and grow up together. And grew up a little bit with my brother and sister who are 14 and 12 and a half years older than me.
I'm my dad's only son, right? And I have my brother and sister who I love and adore, but there is also an estrangement there too. My brother functions very much like Randall in our house. I function very much like Kevin. I come and bring the sunshine and the joy and everything. And he's like, well, you're not here all the time. And we have these things that happen.
Yeah.
Because you will wipe the blank out on a bowling alley.
And I feel like I honor the show in showing that it's not always peaches and cream between these three people who grew up in the same household and have the same experience because they have very different memories of the experience that they had as well.
So it's just like, I say that to say we were just talking about our kids in the last episode and how we're sort of like, hey, you guys are going to be the only people that you have, so try a little harder.
there should be a level of acceptance for what is versus what should be. And always trying to make something into what it should be means that you're not accepting what is in front of you. That and their children. Meaning that like, you know, we can sort of say like, ideally, this person is a value in your life. If you take a look and focus, like what is a value?
What do you like about this person? And they'll enumerate several things. I was like, okay, why don't you choose to focus on those things right now, rather than this one thing that he wants to use the PS5, right? Like focus on that thing. Cause like, you'll hear things like, why doesn't so-and-so like me? And why is so-and-so so annoying?
And I was like, well, because sometimes you do things that are unlikable and sometimes, you know, you can be annoying or whatnot, but what are the things that you do? So maybe it's a matter of like, sort of like highlight accentuating the positive, you know, that type of thing.
because Ryan will have these moments, especially because it's two dudes in my house who are duty dudes being like, why do they just beat each other up? I was like, they're bonding. And she's like, for real? I'm like, yeah, that's what it looks like.
I love this. He's talking about it without talking about it.
I will say for me, because I don't even know if they watch this podcast, but- We're gonna find out. If they do, we'll find out. Love my brother deeply. Love my sister deeply. If they weren't my brother and sister, we would not be friends.
Because Mandy loves her brothers. It's like, it's all great.
They decide to do their individual. That was a good. Thank you for joining me in that digression. I appreciate that.
So we're going to Vegas. Randall and Beth are there. Beth is like screaming out of the top of the limousine. I was like, okay. So happy to do whatever's about to happen. Randall is like on his phone, like, you know, Deja may call us. I don't know if we should be here. And she's like, I'm over you, bro. Yeah. Like, why don't you just be here?
Basically. Like you keep doing this sort of thing. Like I don't, I can't deal with it all the time. He says something like, well, I know it's easy for you to detach from certain things.
And then he has to backtrack. He's like, I didn't say you were detached. I said you were detaching from this thing. I'm the heart, you're the head, which doesn't make it any better. As far as she's concerned. And it's going bad. And he's not trying to, but he's also like, How come you don't care? Like, the girl just came to the house because the heat or, you know, the gas got turned off.
He's also kind of like, you seem really, like, it's too easy for you. Like, I can't do that, right? That's his interpretation of what's going on.
So before we even get to that, they're sort of like, Randall goes off to hang out with Tobias, him and Kev, and then Beth goes to hang out with Kate. And it's a little bit of awkwardness at the beginning, but you see Beth takes a big swig from her bottle.
Can I just say, this is a quick tangent. I'm doing something right now where I have to put on prosthetics. Mandy Moore, God bless your soul. I've had only three of them. And this is not a lot because I'm always waking to Mandy Moore. 3, 4 a.m. pickups. I'm a dude with this much hair. I'm not used to a 4 a.m. pickup, bro. Takes me about 20 minutes to get through the works.
This is what we're doing here. They wind up going to Magic Mike. Credit to Madison and the writers for fun. I like, and there's a whale, and then there's dick. Because it's Moby, and that you can get away with evidently on standards and practices. That's right. At 9 PM on Tuesday nights. They go to Magic Mike. Now here's the fun story. So Sue. at Magic Mike.
She's got to do all this stuff, ask Beth or whatnot. Yeah, but let's talk about Sue. We're talking about Sue. At Magic Mike.
So there's something that got cut out of the episode. Because all you see is her laying down on the sofa thingamajig and the guy coming there and crawling. So there's this moment that they had. Joanna Kern, our director of this episode, she's like, this is going to be fun. We're going to have a blast. For those who don't know who Joanna Kern is. Go. She's wonderful.
We're talking about Growing Pains for- The mother from Growing Pains. Yes, yes. And who's been directing, she directed episodes of Army Wives. She did? She absolutely did.
The mom from Growing Pains, who's bowed about it. She's so hype and energetic and awesome. There's this thing where the dude gets up in a trapeze harness, whatever the thing is, what? Sue straddles my man, like on the harness. And then they spin, boom. Like they're just- In the air, right? In the air, right? So they do this a few times.
And it's funny because Sue is one of the most stoic people you will ever meet. Like- Until she's not. No, but even in, so I can't, cause I saw something was wrong. Cause I spent the most time with her. And she's just laid on the mat after she finished spinning and whatnot, just like, mm. And I said, Are you okay? She said, SK, I don't think I can stand up. She was so dizzy.
She had like some sort of like inner ear thing. Couldn't walk. Like we had to take her to like the back room. I don't know if it was Dramamine or some other sort of thing to just sort of like settle her down because she yacked. but like you would only end up behind closed doors because in front of things, placid. I didn't even know.
She got jacked up. Oh man.
And they didn't even use it in the episode. But Susan has the footage.
I'll come back to it. So we're with you and your fellas. Everybody's having a good time. It's cool.
Well, shout out, I asked before whether or not the brother that you brought to the viewing party for the football game, was he the same guy? It was the same guy.
They're chilling. We're all chilling. We go out to get a bite to eat. Everybody's having a good time. The two brothers are sitting right next to their brother-in-law to be. Everything's going well. Kev sees a co-star.
From his movie. He's like, oh, snap. Yeah. And we should also say before we get there that Kev is like being very vigilant about his sobriety. Yeah. He's fresh off of rehab.
Yeah. But he's asking for help.
I've been to Vegas like 200 times. You know how many times? Oh, 50 times. You know how many times I've been blackout drunk? She's like, every time he's like,
Takes about three and a half hours to do the stuff that I have to do on this film. Mandy Moore, I salute you.
every time like how did you know that um so he's there everybody's drinking around him yeah uh toby's like is this a problem he's like nope not a problem and it's it's interesting because it reminds me of friends that i've talked to and they're like your drinking is a problem for me people who've gone through rehab they're like your drinking isn't a problem for me it's my drinking yeah and so it's like okay cool um he sees his friend uh co-star walk by he goes to say hi you see toby have a bit of a moment being like oh okay that's cool i guess she's
Whatever. Yeah. He goes to say hi. And this is something I'm warning, you've never experienced this. I'm guaranteeing it. I'm calling my shot before. I don't know if you have or not. But the girl winds up telling him that she got cut out of the movie.
right and that ron howard sent an email or something like that what have you and he's like half of my scenes are with you and she's like i don't tell you i got cut out of my first two movies really yes one of them was called brown sugar it was like tay digg sanaa lathan boris kojo a bunch of folks i had a scene with method man and as soon as method man wasn't in the movie i was like
I took my mom and my sister to go see this movie in the movie theater. And at the end of the movie. Let's be fair.
Because how many times did we do it? A hundred and... It's somewhere close to 150.
And yours truly by proxy. And my mom at the end of the movie.
My mom at the end of the movie was like, were you the young man in the back playing basketball? Like she's looking at the extras like I. Oh, they didn't even tell you. Maybe. No. Oh, Jesus.
We're at the beginning of our career. Rude. But still.
still then i did another one with jimmy fallon and queen latifah a film called taxi where i was a mounted uh central uh park um hot rain cop ranger sort of thing and it got cut out too and i was like god i'm not gonna get cut out of everything so when kev was like sort of thinking about being cut out fresh off of sobriety i had a working sort of like framework of like oh yeah it starts to make him spiral yeah it starts to make him spiral have you been cut
Bless you.
Like a bird flying.
It happened a third time. I was in The Bourne, the one with Jeremy Renner. I had a scene with Jeremy Renner in it, and I got cut out of that scene.
Yeah. Bless you. So he's spiraling.
He's spiraling. And so he winds up going back to his room, doing sit-ups in front of the mini bar. Like it feels like- Praying.
It's such an interesting thing because it's like, I'm trying to fight something. by looking directly at the thing.
That's probably what it is. But not the healthiest idea, right? Randall winds up getting a call from Daisy. He's like, excuse me, I got to take off. Again, Tobias clocks in and is like...
And they were sitting right next to him, right? It's not like they were at the other end of the table. That's bad dinnering. Deja calls, and she's sort of stilted in her responses, and there's long pauses, et cetera, and he can feel something's not right, right? So he goes, he tells Toby, excuse me, you guys have a great time. Catch up with you later.
And there's a few scenes that we cut out of this thing, because I know we shot more than what we wound up seeing in the episode. We always did. There's more interaction, I feel like, after, before we wind up walking to your door later on, Kev and I. Oh yeah, you guys.
Okay.
What am I saying? What am I saying? I'm sorry. It has the conversation and they get off the phone. She says, everything's all right. It's just hard for her to talk when her mom's not on the line. So I gotta go. And he's like, okay. So he goes to the magic mic thing and he sees Beth fresh off of being groped by dudes, which is, here's a side tangent. Cause it doesn't bother me.
If you saw your wife or your husband at a strip club and they were having a lap dance or something like that, are you upset? Are you not upset? Yeah, Mandy, if you saw Taylor, if you walked into his strip club- That is a laughable image. If you saw Taylor at Anora, right? If he was in the Anora club- No. And Mikey Madden, no. No. No big thing.
You know what? So this is interesting. Another quick tangent. How many women do you know, whether you're one of them or not, that enjoy the male strip club?
No judgment, but it's not for me. It's not for you. I've heard a lot of women say that. And there's a few who are like, yeah, I'll go. I guess I haven't asked. All right.
So I wound up getting on stage with the fellas, right? Because people were like, take it over. Yeah, to give us a little juice.
That was a side tangent.
That makes sense. That makes sense. Okay, so Randall rolls up. Randall rose up and sees Beth and she's like, Randall, what are you doing here? He's like, I got a phone call. To his credit, he doesn't trip off of his wife or anything. To his credit, I was like, okay. I didn't know if they were going to have him get mad about that because I think that did get cut.
I think he got a little upset about it and they actually wound up cutting that part, which I think is cool.
Wait, wait, wait. You know what I'm saying? Because there's a four-year anniversary. You got to kind of echo this because it's great. Because Rebecca comes and she's like, I got you a hammer because you're always saying that taking your hammer and everything. He's like, oh, thanks. He walks around the corner and there's a brand new piano sitting there with the bow.
He's like, I got a call from Deja and I can tell something's not right. She didn't say anything was wrong, but she was sort of stilted and there was a lot of weird pauses or whatever. And Beth is like, so nothing's wrong. And he's like, yeah, but like something is sort of like going.
So you came in here to tell me that nothing is wrong with her, but you had to crash your sister's bachelorette party. He's like, bruh. read the motherfucking room. Like, people are in here having a good time, and I'm trying to have one night. One night, homie, where I don't have to deal with your anxiety. He's like, oh, I didn't know being married to me. And you know what's funny?
I kind of forgot this was one of our first fights before season three.
And she's like, Kate, this ain't got nothing to do with you. I need you to sit down. She's like, no, this is my brother. She's like, this is my husband. She's like, I'm abundantly clear who is more important to Randall.
She winds up excusing herself and that's like, it all sort of like falls from there. But one of the interesting things about it is like, this was one of my first scenes with Chrissy. We had a scene immediately after William's passing, right? At the house, but it was a short little thing. So this was like a little bit longer. So it's been like- Isn't that amazing?
It feels like you guys have had dozens of scenes together.
I get one scene with Metz a year, right?
And it was a really beautiful scene because what I appreciated information wise is like, people always say it's me and Kev, Kate says, whatnot. But when mom, when dad died, like it was you and me, man. Like we were kicking it. We were the ones who were there. You'd watch Sex and the City with me. You know what I'm saying? It was awesome.
And I wanted to tell her and I was like, yo, look, I'm a straight young black dude. I wasn't really that into Sex and the City. but I was into it because you were into it, right?
And it's just a beautiful moment of connection to contrast me and Chris talking about it on purpose early in the episode. Hot take. But it was really quite lovely. And she also tells him, she's like, so how's the bachelor party going? Like, oh, no, we wind up leaving so he can hang out with his friends. Yeah, Kev wound up seeing a co-star. I wound up taking a conversation with Deja.
And she's like, and I'm like, wow, what's the big deal? She's like, he kind of just wanted to hang out with you guys.
And then we finally get to another one. You guys don't name this anniversary. We don't say what year it is, but it's like, all right, you promise no more big gestures or anything like that because I didn't get you anything and I don't want to feel bad about these. No, promise. No things. We're just going to keep it easy.
Everybody else was filler. And that's, and you're like, oh, shit. So I know a scene got cut where I went to go get Kev from his room. Because the next thing we see is the two of us at your door saying like, so I rebelled on you. So I was like, ah, it's no big deal. Like, you know, what are you talking about? I was like, you want to take a walk? I'll go get my coat.
Right? And okay. So we go on this walk. We've told you a little bit about this story. And I'm trying, you may remember it better than me.
So we wind up going on this walk in old Vegas, right? Which is really cool. Big, bright lights, multicolored, not white. And, um, thank you. And, and there's this dude. who just starts heckling Justin. Like Mandy, unmercilessly. And I think he waits in between takes, but it's because I think he was that extra.
It was about like, you think you're so handsome. He's like, I look better than you. I look better than you. And like this dude was drizzy drunk. Drizzy drunk, drunk, drunk. And like, we were like, just like, bro, like me and Sully kept looking at each other. Like, it's going to stop.
Put the kids to bed, go to bed, and we're going to enjoy a good old-fashioned evening of me, you, and the commish.
The Commish was on ABC. It was Chiklis before.
Before The Shield. Before The Shield.
Right.
It is the procedural that hugs and just takes care of you. That's right. You can hop in. You can hop out. The Commish are going to be right there, Jeff.
Yeah. It's going to be awesome.
And it is too, it's perfect casting for Kevin in terms of just like how people can be constantly underestimated because of how they look, right? Like they look like they should be this. So people think of them as that. And there's so much more. Right. Yeah. He is that. So this thing happens outside. And this guy, man, the heat keeps going in. He's like, you think you're handsome?
There you go. Yeah. There you go. So they make that agreement and whatnot. And then in that same timeline, there is the kids, like once you come down, oh, he comes downstairs, they're making breakfast or something. He's like, aren't you going to do a grand, Kevin says to dad, aren't you going to do a grand gesture for mom? He's like, no, I didn't want anything this year.
You think you're better than me? You're not better than me. You make more, like he starts talking about how much money you make. Like he starts just throwing, like he's trying to get a rise out of him. Sure. And at a certain point, I was like, Justin, I'm gonna go talk to this guy. He's like, don't talk, don't talk.
I loved it. Because you gave him the advice in the scene to call Ron Howard and let him know what your worth is and your value. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't just sit and wait to find out that you've been cut from the thing. Like give him a call and tell him why you deserve to be in this film. And he's like, oh shit, I'm gonna call Ron Howard, right?
And you say, I'm not gonna give Randall, Randy, can I call you Randy? No, can't. He's like, I'm not gonna give you any advice, but if you're having a tough time, I guess the rest of us should just, what's the analogy? Quit, give up. Basically, just give up, right? So there's something that you are able to give these brothers that allows them to move forward and make choices.
Randall goes and apologizes to his wife. Right? Like, I know I can be a lot sometimes. I'm sorry. I need to let Deja go. Right? Before that, let's go to Kate and, which I thought this was a really lovely scene, Kate and Beth scene. Where Kate winds up admitting that like, you know, I was really close with my brother. And sort of strong women are a little intimidating to me.
What's going on, gang?
You know, take my mother for instance, and you've got your shit together. You've got this career, you're fostering a child. Like I can barely take care of myself or whatnot. And so I'm just, it's hard for me to be in your presence. And then Beth is like, girl, you think I got it together. I just been waiting for a moment. I was like, I got to deal with like, oh, Randall over here. Should we call?
Should we do this? Should we do that? Like, I'm trying to have a moment because if I allow myself to go there, it hurts. The absence of this young lady in my life hurts a lot. And I just wanted to have an opportunity to think about something else. He wouldn't give it to me. We see all this candy on the bed from being, you know, upset that she's had.
And he's like, well, what if we, is it Kevin's idea? It's Kevin's idea.
And these two sisters have a really lovely moment, right? Which like they start off talking about how they barely know each other or Kate mentions that. But to have like a moment of connection to building a relationship with each other, it was a really lovely special moment. Then we finish with Beth and Randall sort of talking about how we need to let go. She's like, yeah, I need to do something.
He's like, why don't we do something for you guys? And he's like, well, I guess I'm not violating the rule if you guys do it. So the kids decide to do this whole thing.
I can't remember the whole thing, you guys. But at the end of it, Deja comes. She comes to the house?
They're walking. They go, no, they're going home. And Beth says, hey, can you make a turn here?
To go check on her. And they go to turn. They go to the place where she's supposed to be staying with Shawna and see her sister walk down the hallway. Is Shawna in here? No, she don't live here no more. So they wind up coming out of the house, going around the corner, and they see Deja and her mom living in the car. Yeah. And that's where that episode ends. That's right. Yep. Right? Yep.
So you want to get to the fan segment? Yeah. All right. That was full. That was a lot. Yeah.
Very spicy. Let's get into it. Agree, disagree, or somewhere in between, here are some of your hottest takes about This Is Us.
Right? Like he heard that mom likes Cornish game heads. So like you see Kev like following a recipe, like making Cornish game hymns, right? You see Randall and Kate go to the library. This is one of my favorite shots of like Randall walking into the library and all these other kids are like, yo, what up? They're like dapping him up. Like he's the mother effing man up in this public library.
We were just talking.
No, no, no, no, no.
I think the order in which he came to the family, he's number three. I think he's the oldest. But he does refer to Kev as like big brother sometimes.
This is interesting. So because we had an inkling, like you didn't know for sure whether or not the marriage was going to go in perpetuity, but we knew that we were seeing all these different walks of life. And I remember talking to you, like eventually somebody had to get divorced. Yeah. And you kind of figured that it was going to be you guys, right?
Were you okay? In terms of how you felt as the storyline play out, were you happy, sad, neither?
Let me do Cairo W. I'm reading through a tree, so if I mess up, let me know. Music choir teacher here. My hot take is on Kate's storyline about becoming a teacher, writing an international curriculum that should never happen in real life. Music teachers are teachers and train just as hard and for just as long as any other teacher. Phillip was 100% correct that she was unqualified to teach.
Vegas, baby.
Now I'm on. You know what Kira sounds like? Kira Cara, which are, please forgive me if I'm mispronouncing.
The way that people will like, have you ever watched something with friends of yours who are not in the business and they'll see like a show and they'll be like, I can do this. Oh, yeah. That's basically what Kira is saying right now. You think you're just going to come in and do what I do? Yeah. I've trained for years to do this. Yeah, that's right.
In real life, I think you're absolutely right. That's right. We appreciate you, Kira.
It's the thing that happens as you get older. You guys tell me how you clock this. The divide between your single friends and your married friends, where your single friends are like, come on, let's go out to this place. It's going to be really cool. You're like, no, I can't.
Let me read this next one here, because you have a better angle of time to read around the tree.
You got it. All right. This is Sarah J. My hot take is that Jack would have never abandoned his brother, Nicky, after the Vietnam situation. And he wouldn't have lied to his mother or family about Nicky's death. The way Jack handled the entire Nicky situation was so out of character. Hot take. Hot take.
I think the thing about Jack Pearson is that he's like an onion. We're constantly finding out things about him. And I think he did keep things close to the vest. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
And Kate was like, my brother's cool, dude.
So when she says that it's out of character, I've seen a number of enough incidents with Jack and Rebecca where he decided to keep feelings or information to himself to say that I'm going to push back on that one a little bit.
Yeah.
I think Jack is so beloved, and understandably and necessarily so, that when we see him do things that feel like aren't loving or like in character with somebody who we love, I think it makes us bristle. While we're all human beings and we all have all these different colors and you just love them anyway. You know what I'm saying? I think that's what it is. That's my take.
So they do this whole thing. Kev has the, he's making the hen. Dad agrees to put it in the oven and correct, if I jump something, let me know.
I mean, I guess we saw some of it, but she would have liked to have seen more.
Well, I'll say this. I don't know if we're going to see one, but like Miguel, some of the things that I responded to on Instagram, there was a brother who was like, I will never like Miguel. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, I think also it is human nature to run from trauma issues. Yes. I think one of the reasons why we have therapy is to be able to face and deal in a healthy way with the traumas that are affecting and impacting you in your everyday life, right? I've had conversations with friends and I take this for granted because as an actor, we tend to be a bit more introspective.
Puts it in the oven and everything. Everything's going according to plan until they realize that dad did not turn on the oven.
Where a friend of mine said literally to me, he's like, why would I want to dig that stuff up? Yeah. That would be painful. I don't want to deal with that. That stuff is done. Yeah. And meaning it and thinking that it's actually done, done.
Like most of us just want to put one foot in front of the other and sort of keep it moving. It's not about living necessarily your best life. It's like, this is the life I got to live. Let me just keep living it. Yeah. Right? It hurts. Yep. To face shit. That's right. You know? That's right.
Right? Yeah. and and kev is sort of like really bummed and just starts crying he's like whoa kev what's going on man it's not it's not that heavy he's like now you and mom are gonna get divorced And this is one of those echoes that sort of reminds you to check in with your kids from time to time, because if you don't teach them, they're gonna learn from somebody else what something means.
There's no proposal? No. With all the grand gestures that have transpired, we never see like the actual- Yeah, but I'm like, I feel like it's fine.
That's it.
Sal Marina Tratt says, I don't like the fact that Sophie ended up with Kevin because he finally got his shit together. She deserved better and it felt too predictable and easy.
Okay, well, here's the secret. We didn't know if it was gonna be with Sophie or not. She got a show going on in Canada.
Was Alex available? I've heard this before. I've heard like it would have been interesting to see him and Madison figure it out. They actually have children together and a reason to sort of do it. Yeah.
The only thing I'll say to that is just because you had the kids, necessarily if you weren't in a relationship before that was loving and full, I don't know if the kids are the reason to keep going.
Listen. Is it predictable? Is it whatever? Sure, maybe.
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Somebody in his class got, it was Sophie's parents. Sophie's parents got divorced. And he's like, look, I need this thing to go well, because otherwise you guys are gonna get divorced. And you guys are like, nope.
Never, ever, ever. Right? And he's like, you sure? And they're like, sure. He's like, okay, I'll see you later. So he's like, we can salvage the rest of the plan. Because by the time you guys come upstairs, beautiful Christmas lights, the white lights. I prefer, I think the white lights are a classic look as opposed to the multicolored lights. You know what I'm saying?
It's a classic, clean look, right? Lay it out for you guys. Okay, hot take.
Can I tell you something? I appreciate your passion. Passion? Yeah. It'll change from year to year for us. There's some years in which the tree will go up with just the white lights, right? And then there's some years in which we'll do multi, because we have like, we have way too many.
I'll tell you what, Christmas decorations, finding storage, putting them in place, putting them back afterwards, monster pain in the butt, beautiful for about a month and a half. And then it's like, all right, now I got to put all this shit up, right? Yeah.
um but we'll go back and forth between both all right so so yes and yes and yes and and that's how you do that they're called christmas that was us where were we vegas baby so they wait they're about to go and um they go up on the roof they go up on the roof and jack has his
His grand gesture is like, you know, somebody told me that like meteors, you know what Randall told me about meteors? I think it's not like, is that the meteors are always there. It's just, we can't see them. And he says like, I know, I see you, Rebecca. Yeah.
There you go.
He's good with the words like that. Jack Pearson ain't bad, right? Okay, that's that whole time, right?
That's that whole time. Yes. In the present, Randall and Beth are about to go to Vegas. Beth is hype. She is ready to get her thug fizzle on up in Vegas. Randall, a bit more reticent. At the end of the previous episode. Oh, we didn't mention this, did we? At the end of the previous episode.
Brown tripped on one. Yeah. Yeah, brown tripped on one. You didn't talk enough. I didn't.
All right, at the end of 2.15, we get a visit from Deja, and she tells us that the water or the heat changed.
Gas has been turned off. Gas has been turned off in the house. I need cash because then I can tell her it was cash that I saved up for my allowance. I don't want you to call my mom. We just need this little bit. We're going to be fine, right? That happened at the end of 2.15. Right. So at the top of Vegas, I'm like, ah, what if Deja needs us again? You know, like, maybe we don't need to go.
Some things came back from Vegas that probably could have stayed in Vegas. But no, we'll share. We'll share the tea. We had a good time. We had some interesting things happen too. Oh, and I'm going to tell you when we get to the walk.
And they're like, yo, your brother-in-law's having you out for his bachelor party. Your sister wants me in there. I was like, we're pity invites, right? Like, nobody wants their brother-in-law tagging along on their, you know, bachelor party, et cetera. Like, why don't we just stay here focused? And she's like, look, bro, this is going to be something that's going to be fun for everybody.
You got to get it together. Do your rain, man. was the Rain Man Vegas sort of, she calls it Rain Man something, poker or blackjack. Rain Man blackjack, right? He's like, I don't want to do the Rain Man blackjack. And let me tell you something about Brown. I watched a lot of Rain Man in preparation for this one little scene, Jack, because I don't like to fake the fuck, brother. You nailed it.
But when I watched that, I was like, that was pretty solid. I felt good about it.
So you see Black Pearsons are in two very different spaces regarding the trip to Vegas, right? You guys have a very interesting conversation, Kate and Toby, because you admit to a certain co-dependence in your relationship. And it's the first time I heard that articulated out loud. So I'm curious, like the scene and that statement in particular.
Can I ask you a question? How would you define codependency? Because I need to know if I am or not. I'm not sure.
I think that is so, what a wonderful thing to share, because I think a lot of women feel that. And I think for women who are like, Mandy Moore be feeling that stuff?
That's...
I kept hitting, I get it, I get it. I get it, because they're swans.
Never mind. I don't even like ballet. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. That is nerdy.
My toes are sensitive. I don't have good toes. And my toenails sometimes hurt. I get ingrown toenails. I can't spend around 32 fuertes on my ingrown toenail. I'm going to go to the ER.
Okay, well, I don't want to spend 32 foot days. I don't even know Swan Lake. I've never seen Swan Lake. I don't like it. Okay.
It's crazy that they do it right there.
After nine years of this prime minister, everything is broken. 25% of Canadians are now living in poverty. 2 million lined up at food banks. 38% more people are homeless. Housing costs have doubled. It wasn't like this before this prime minister, and it won't be like this after he's gone.
Capping spending, cutting waste to bring down inflation and interest rates by removing bureaucracy to build more affordable homes.
The prime minister has no business in decisions that should rest with provinces and parents. So my message to Justin Trudeau is butt out and let provinces run schools and let parents raise kids.
This is the consequence of Trudeau NDP policies and Canadians across the country, but especially right here in the South Okanagan, are demanding common sense, which is what I represent.
Canada and the United States, that would really be something. You get rid of that artificially drawn line, and you take a look at what that looks like, and it would also be much better for national security. Don't forget, we basically protect Canada.
Canada is subsidized to the tune of about $200 billion a year, plus other things.
Can you assure the world that as you try to get control of these areas, you are not going to use military or economic coercion? No.
Today he becomes a man, Brian. Oh, he's just railing.
I proved that a liberal can take a punch. I proved that we're not people who can be counted out, even though we seem nicer and a little more touchy-feely.
I got elected on a platform of openness, of transparency, of engagement, of listening to Canadians, of trusting people with real answers to tough questions, a level of respect for citizens that for me is at the heart of what a 21st century democracy looks like.
As I've said, this was a personal family vacation where we visited someone who I have known pretty much all my life.
The Freedom Convoy, that's what they call themselves. It's snowballed now to sort of blockade in Canada for days. We've seen chaos in Ottawa.
It started as a protest against vaccine requirements for lorry drivers, but it's mushroomed to an anti-government movement which has paralyzed not only this capital city, but vital trade routes between Canada and the U.S.
And yet... Calls are growing ever louder for Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to quit. On a recent call involving a third of its Liberal Party's members of Parliament, they all agreed that it was time for the PM to go.
I'm here to repeat the message that I delivered to the prime minister that I believe he needs to step down and call a leadership race.
The message that I've been getting loud and clear and more and more strongly as time goes by is that it's time for him to go. And I agree.
So I thought it might be fun for us to do this again.
We were elected to strengthen the economy post-pandemic and advance Canada's interests in a complicated world. And that is exactly the job that I and we will continue to do for Canadians. Thank you very much, my friends.
Members are directed to uphold and maintain decorum in the House and to cease any further disruptions. That's your warning.
Take your seat. Finding that members continue to engage in willful and concerted disruption of proper decorum, the chair now directs the sergeant at arms to restore order.
Good to see all of you.
Well, I think there's only uncertainty in this room amongst the media. There's no uncertainty in this building. So let me provide the certainty and the clarity that all of you need.
Social Security benefits, Medicare benefits, food stamps, welfare benefits, assistance that is going directly to individuals will not be impacted by this pause.
How long is this pause going to last? Do you think there will be a list of who is affected and how much money is affected?
I'll check back on that and get back to you. John.
So as we stand here today, people should think about the mom who doesn't know if she can get her kid to child care today.
It's a dagger at the heart of the average American family in red states, in blue states, in cities, in suburbs, in rural areas. It is just outrageous.
This decision is lawless, dangerous, destructive, cruel. It's illegal.
I spoke to my attorney general this morning. She's head of the State Attorneys General Association. They're going to court right away on this horror.
I just can't, to this moment, get over the idea that during the days that group was going on, not one of the participants said, we shouldn't be doing this on Signal.
Well, it will. Common sense says this was a major screw-up, and somebody should be held accountable. Clearly, I think the administration has acknowledged it was a mistake, and they'll tighten up and make sure it doesn't happen again.
I don't know what else you can say about that. Should Mike Wilson accept being disciplined?
Secretary Hedseff put into this group text a detailed operation plan, including targets, the weapons we were going to be using, attack sequences and timing. And yet you've testified that nothing in that chain was classified. Wouldn't that be classified? What if that had been made public that morning before the attack took place?
Senator, I can attest to the fact that there were no classified or intelligence equities that were included in that chat group at any time.
Director Radcliffe, this was a huge mistake, correct? No. No. A national political... Hold on.
No, no. Let me answer. No, no, Director Ratcliffe.
I asked you a yes or no question, and now you'll hold on. A national political reporter was made privy to sensitive information about imminent military operations against a foreign terrorist organization.
And that wasn't a huge mistake?
That wasn't a huge mistake? This is an embarrassment. This is utterly unprofessional. There's been no apology. There has been no recognition of the gravity of this error.
Here's what else you need to know today.
Mm-hmm.
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So, Michael, after all of this buildup, all of this anticipation, what actually happened on the call between Putin and Trump?
The group claims its practitioners include as many as 100 million people in China, a figure disputed by the Chinese government.
10,000 people gathered in Beijing at the government leader's compound known as Jingnanhai. More than 10,000 Falun Gong followers had this rally in Beijing. It was the largest public assembly in the Chinese capital since the Tiananmen Square demonstrations a decade ago. And after the rally, this is where the persecution really starts. Today in Beijing, arrests of Falun Gong practitioners continued.
Meanwhile, Chinese state television is running an almost constant video campaign against the group. Newscasts have run pictures showing the group's literature and audio cassettes being crushed by a steamroller.
Last week, as the Chinese government stepped up its crackdown against the group, State Department spokesman James Rubin expressed concern.
So Tom, this is a promise made, a promise kept, but it looks like a judge is trying to stop this. Why?
This is not just naked corruption. It is also a grave national security threat.
Planes outfitted with a full bar, entertainment system, iPod docking system, and how can we forget, 24-karat gold trimming.
Tonight, there are warnings that the U.S. is dangerously close to a constitutional crisis. We are hearing the phrase constitutional crisis already less than a month into this presidency. We've got our toes right on the edge.
We are basically on the cusp. We're really heading toward a... Constitutional. Constitutional. Constitutional crisis. Crisis.
Our founding fathers created three co-equal branches of government to ensure that no one man can be king.
But here we are. Listen, I think this is the most serious constitutional crisis the country has faced, certainly since Watergate, the president.
I can't tell you how many times I heard constitutional crisis during the first term of Donald Trump. And here they go again.
Only a bit? I'd understand, but...
He's basically saying they did the opposite of what the middle-aged carpenters did. The middle-aged carpenters, they found a tree, and then they worked with that tree, and they did the opposite. They looked at what they had, and then they had to look for a tree. That matched to what they had. Yeah, exactly. And they had to reproduce.
The House come to order. The Senate and House of Representatives are meeting in joint session to verify the certificates and count the votes of the electors of the several states for President and Vice President of the United States.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
The certificate of the electoral vote of the state of Maryland seems to be regular in form and authentic. And it appears they're from the Kamala D. Harris of the state of California, received 10 votes for president, and Tim Walz of the state of Minnesota received 10 votes for vice president.
Wow.
Certificate of the electoral vote of the state of Michigan.
The certificate of the electoral vote of the state of Nevada.
The certificate of the electoral vote of the great state of Wisconsin seems to be regular in form and authentic. And it appears therefrom that Donald J. Trump of the state of Florida received 10 votes for president and J.D. Vance of the state of Ohio received 10 votes for vice president.
The votes for president of the United States are as follows. Donald J. Trump of the state of Florida has received 312 votes. Kamala D. Harris of the state of California has received 226 votes.
The next order of business is the election of the Speaker of the House of Representatives for the 119th Congress. The reading clerk will now call the roll.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm. Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But... House will be in order.
Therefore, the Honorable Mike Johnson of the state of Louisiana, having received a majority of the votes cast, is duly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives for the 119th Congress.
When the Supreme Court draft opinion was leaked showing that Roe v. Wade could possibly be overturned, the state legislature here in New York acted immediately.
Welcome back. Another step in making California a sanctuary for abortion. Oregon lawmakers are working on a bill that would further protect the right to abortion in Oregon. Senate Bill 1 ensures a woman's right to choose an abortion in Hawaii, protects health care workers.
A New York doctor faces a penalty after allegedly prescribing abortion pills to a Texas resident.
Tonight, Attorney General Ken Paxton is suing a doctor in New York who prescribed... This is one of the first challenges of the so-called shield laws, and it sets up a fight between Texas and New York.
Wow. In a statement, Paxton said, in Texas, we treasure the health and lives of mothers and babies.
Let me be clear what this case is about. This is about a case in which a minor in Louisiana got pregnant.
Her mom conspired with a New York doctor to get a chemical abortion pill in the mail and then forced that minor to take it. There's only one right answer in this situation, and it's that that doctor must face extradition to Louisiana where she can stay in trial and justice will be served.
I have to get to the gym, but also I have to go home, clean, let the dogs out, and I'm a little bit stressed about it.
Yes, it's hard to avoid. So he says he doesn't remember anything before last night. That's not good.
I was a snowman.
That's definitely not good.
Because you put the scarf on me.
Please tell her to let me out of here. Well, Miss, we'd love for you to do that, but...
Do you think male strippers are the answer?
Here we go.
Marianne, why do you think it is you and I are the top female lawyers in the city? I thought you were going to say because we're very powerful independent women who don't rely on anyone to do our dirty work. Even though she's a little miserable in it deep down.
We're looking for unique individuals whose lifestyles are flexible and can keep up with the demand.
That sounds like me in every way.
Great. So what I really need to know is how available are you? I'm very, very available. Even during the holidays? Yeah. What about family, partner, household pets? Are they okay with this? I'm kind of a one-woman band. Perfect. Then I have a flight for you.
I don't think anybody's going to be getting through this until it dissipates. I suggest you find a place to land before you're out over the ocean.
Attention, this is your captain Kate Gabriel. Due to severe weather conditions over the Atlantic, we are making a temporary stop in Nova Scotia. Canada? So much for our easy flight to Europe.
Did you know your family has 30 bathrooms?
Why does anyone need 30 bathrooms?
Hey, it's me. So believe it or not, I am driving down Main Street.
Listen, we have so much to catch up on.
Yeah, you know. Most people come here for the lighthouse, but I think this street is pretty special.
I do.
Okay, I need you to declare one of these holiday IPAs as perfect. Otherwise, it might just be game over for Mobile Joe's.
Not bad, huh? Well, now that I know the stakes, let's do this.
Andy, I'm leaving for Seattle in the morning. I called your mom and I'm staying with her tonight. I think it's for the best.
I can figure out how to run my own practice. I can figure out how to make this work.
Traditionally, you're not supposed to open Christmas presents until midnight. Then I've never been much for tradition.
Oh, Charles.
May I?
Merry Christmas, Annie.
Merry Christmas, Will.
The Pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, full stop. However, when he goes and talks about politics, that doesn't deal with theology or the church or infallibility.
The Pope has been consistent that all the problems in the world are because of this populist nationalist movement.
So Pope Francis should stop worrying about the criticism of Donald Trump, and he should start to worry about this crisis in the Catholic church.
Allegations of cover-up come to the Vatican, and Pope Francis remains mum.
In a bombshell letter, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò urges Pope Francis to resign over what he calls a conspiracy of silence about McCarrick.
How do you feel today that he's gone? I think the world has lost a very important person But it was coming.
Well, he was a breath of fresh air.
Oh, he is a very good guy. He has a good heart. Very giving and generous.
A guide for me, for my wife and my son. We might not have always agreed or anything like that, but no matter what the differences were, he was our dad. And that's a difficult thing to lose.
He was going in such a positive direction. Yes. He has turned the church in a new way, taken a new corner. So I think it will not be derailed. But there are forces who would like it to be.
I hope the next pope will be as strong as he was.
Can you describe a little bit like that?
As many European nations debate tougher immigration policies, Pope Francis has highlighted the value of migrants.
Francis urged a joint meeting of Congress to reject what he called a mindset of hostility towards refugees and undocumented immigrants.
With the global gathering of Catholic bishops as a backdrop, Pope Francis warned the world is approaching the point of no return on climate. He urged decisive acceleration to renewable energies and away from oil and gas.
Pope Francis is the Pope of mercy. He's the Pope of the poor. He's the Pope that visits inmates.
Time magazine names Pope Francis as its person of the year. Time calls the Holy Father a septuagenarian superstar.
Let me just start off this video by saying I do not condone violence by any means, but let's talk about what happened today with the UnitedHealthcare CEO.
Six months before my mom died, her health insurance let her know that all of the things that she had been prescribed and insured for for the last 10, 15 years of her life were no longer going to be covered.
There was some real anger that just unleashed. Sitting in the emergency room with my one-year-old baby, she needed to be transferred to New York City so she could have emergency brain surgery. And instead, we sat in the hospital for three days because UnitedHealthcare refused to approve the transfer via ambulance.
Today is a beautifully ironic day for UnitedHealthcare to deny my injections for my cancer treatments.
So I came this morning to the shack just to get a sense of the buzz. I wasn't expecting that there would be a break in the case.
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So they can't see the planes and they can't communicate with the pilots. Correct.
They lost three radars. They lost all the radios that approached them. Just got told that the approach lost all the radars. Three of the four radar screens went black and they have no frequencies.
Canada 585, the TRACON is troubleshooting an issue. They lost all their frequencies. We got nobody coming in, nobody going out. Okay. Any idea how long or just whenever they figure it out? Whenever they figure it out, I've got no idea. Okay.
And they were able to talk again to pilots.
So I think we're just going to have to cut you loose, VFR, because we're stopping everything. Case happens again. So radar service.
We lost our radar and it's not working correctly. Radar service terminated. Squawk VFR. Freeze change approved. If you want a Bravo clearance, you can just call the towers when you get closer. Okay. I'll wait for that frequency from you, okay? Okay, no. This is Squawk VFR. Look up the tower frequencies. We don't have a radar, so I don't know where you are. Okay.
What usually happens in these situations, and I think what happened here is
If you wanted to make us safe... Pass gun reforms. Stop cutting Medicaid. Stop cutting cancer research. Stop cutting funds for veterans. That is what will make our city safe.
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Hegseth is doing a great job. He had nothing to do with this.
How do you bring Hegseth into it? He had nothing to do. Look, look, it's all a witch hunt.
That's it for The Daily.
That's right. A lot of people are waiting for this for a long — for years, for decades.
Yeah, we know about the pain, right?
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About a quarter of all restaurants to close as a result of this pandemic.
Open our country. Open us up. We need to work.
Now 36 states are seeing increases in new weekly infections this morning.
Critics, including the director general of the World Health Organization, call this plan a dangerous approach and not an option.
NIH director Francis Collins said this, but what I worry about with this is it's being presented as if it's a major alternative view that's held by large numbers of experts in the scientific community. That is not true. This is a fringe component of epidemiology. This is not mainstream science. It is dangerous.
That we direct a statewide order for people to stay at home.
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There's this whole buy less movement. We're not rich enough to afford these tariffs. So let's embrace the idea of underconsumption.
Maybe we need to start taking responsibility for how much textile waste is in landfills in other countries.
Our relationship with consumption is fundamentally unhealthy and people cannot stop buying stuff.
If you are the type to buy a new outfit for every date night, every girls' night out, every vacation, stop. Your last outfits slayed. Wear those again.
I hope that all of this will just reset our relationship with consumption and material goods. It could be wishful thinking, but that is one potential benefit of all this.
So for a sweatshirt, a t-shirt and a tank top, the total was $14.82 off of Shein.
I might be the overconsumption final boss because I keep buying the same things, just different colors and in different fonts.
And one of the places that we went was a labor market for day laborers.
A dress I had on my car was like $9. It's $18 now. They weren't playing.
What if, like, prices just, like, never go down? Like, what if I could never get a miniskirt for $7 ever again? Like, I'm scared.
She markets as being for pajama parties and girls' nights.
Y'all, this box is so heavy. Yeah, $1 shirts, $2 shirts, $3 shirts, $5 dresses. Like, it was ridiculous.
War is officially on. So if you're Canadian, now more than ever, it's so important to be shopping Canadian products.
I'm sorry.
Hi. Hi. How are you? How are you? Do you know the drill here, but you can get pretty close up on these microphones.
Yeah.
Oh, thank God. That was a joke. You look so serious.
I did finish what was vitally good.
Um...
When I say stimulation.
Intellectual stimulation. That's what... Obviously, I need more intellectual stimulation.
For next time. Bring your bathing suit. We're jumping in the water together next time.
Back of a movie, man. That was a great movie. I loved it. Yeah. I was like, this guy's nuts.
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There's no job I've taken where I went, you know what? You guys just keep the money. I'm just so happy to be here. I'm just so glad to be an actor.
I'm surprised.
You think Democrats are afraid to talk to Trump voters?
Why do you think Democrats are afraid to talk to Trump voters?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Look, it's a free country. So if people really desperately want to work for McKinsey and their main goal in life is to go skiing as often as possible and to have that nice little cottage on the beach, sure, fine. People have the right to be a little bit boring. But this book is about how to build a legacy that actually matters, to do something that is worth remembering.
Hey, Brunjani, if this is you, listen. We were here yesterday. We're here today. We're going to be here tonight, tomorrow. You're probably scared. If you are, I get it.
The reality is your visa was revoked, okay? You are now amenable to removal proceedings, okay?
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I think the first 100 days has been great. I just wish he had more backing.
The best thing he's done
Welcome to the kind of woman power that sustained our grandmothers for 72 years in their struggle to get the right to vote.
Welcome to the new wave of feminism. Welcome to each other. Welcome home.
I would like to discuss with you briefly the Equal Rights Amendment.
The Equal Rights Amendment gives women rights that they do not now have.
Tonight, after a 49-year struggle, a constitutional amendment appears on the way proclaiming once and for all that women have all the same rights as that other sex.
For today, Indiana became the 35th, leaving the Women's Rights Declaration just three states away from becoming the 27th amendment to the Constitution.
I get fed up with the women's liberationists running down motherhood.
The Equal Rights Amendment will take away from women some of the most important rights that they now possess.
First of all, it will have a powerful, dramatic, adverse effect on the rights of the draft age girl.
That every 18-year-old girl will be compelled to be given a draft number and to be available for call-up.
The second category of women who will be hurt by the Equal Rights Amendment are wives.
The laws of every one of our 50 states make it the legal obligation of the husband to support his wife.
And it works. It lost in Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Virginia, and now Florida.
The latest skirmish in the pitched battle over ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment is now history. And one of the casualties may very well be final passage of the amendment itself.
Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Well, this might actually be it. My last ever TikTok video. It has been fun here.
Can you believe what I'll do to win an election? And we went on TikTok.
So I like TikTok. I like it. I like it. I had a slightly good experience, wouldn't you say?
But then... 12 hours. That's how long this lasted. Do you know how stressed I've been? Around 12.30 p.m. today, the app came back.
Well, guys, this might be the end of an era.
I made so many friends and memories on here. I'm going to miss you guys so much.
We're looking at TikTok. We may be banning TikTok. We may be doing some other things. There are a couple of options.
And here's the deal. I don't mind if, whether it's Microsoft or somebody else, a big company, a secure company, very American company, buy it.
It can't be controlled for security reasons by China. Too big to control.
Say bye. Hopefully we have a miracle and we get to keep TikTok, but it's not looking good for us.
The president is now on TikTok. It's my honor.
No tax on kids, by the way, no tax on kids.
POV, 100 days left before President Trump delivers another knockout.
We're nation in decline. Nobody is safe. Absolutely nobody. We're going to be a strong nation again.
Thank you, soon-to-be President Trump. I know I'm happy to be back. I'm sure a lot of you guys are as well. I love you guys, and I will see you in the next one.
You got to get out and vote. We want to save our country. We're the only one going to save it. That other group of people, they're going to destroy our country. We can't let that happen. Go out and vote for Trump.
Obama's victory, coupled with massive gains in Congress, puts Democrats firmly in control of Washington.
And if we don't stand up now, God help us.
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act that I will sign today
Is the most sweeping economic recovery package in our history.
We begin, though, with the major political upset for one of the most powerful Republicans in the country, Eric Cantor, the number two GOP lawmaker in the House, beaten in the primary by a Tea Party candidate.
It's not about Dave Brat winning tonight. It's about returning the country to constitutional principles.
Madam President, I intend to speak in opposition to Obamacare. I intend to speak in support of defunding Obamacare until I am no longer able to stand.
Good afternoon.
Is it time for new leadership in the Senate? Next question.
Have you lost confidence in him, the fact that you guys see this so differently?
I think Senate Democrats, I think the Senate leader made an enormous miscalculation. This is not a time where we should be bending the knee to Donald Trump.
And it's not about being progressive. It's not about being moderate. It's about who is going to be in this fight and push back and fight back.
They wrote their own partisan bill. They filled it with all sorts of right wing shit.
I am a no.
I'm concerned about the whole airspace, right? Now I think the lights are blinking, the sirens are turning, and they're saying, listen, we have to fix this because what you see in Newark is going to happen in other places across the country. It has.
So there's white smoke in the square, and I'm running back to file the story. But once again, white smoke, a new pope.
So for all those reasons, it's kind of easy for Netflix to walk away from.
That's what I think. He can be kind of intense. And what's his backstory?
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And he's one of the great hit makers of all time.
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And that Drake is richer and more successful than Kendrick could ever be.
Drake is basically trolling Kendrick, testing him even. Like, are you really going to step into the ring with me?
That's a bar mitzvah though, they don't like drink.
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But you've never talked to him before, so how's the number on your phone? I mean, I'm not an expert on any of this, but it's just curious. How's the number on your phone?
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It made news throughout the entire region that these two people had been shot while they slept in such a safe community.
It got me upset because this is someone's kid and someone knows she's gone.
I don't think that the president's goals are not what everybody wants, which is to end the war, right? End the war. So if you don't want to end the war, then you're in a different position. You've got to have some type of negotiated end to this. He's certainly pushing hard.
I can't speak over everybody. And if Zelensky, Zelensky needs to be in the room. He absolutely needs to be. I don't disagree with the idea that he needs to be, he's probably part of the solution, right?
I'm not sure exactly what that's going to look like, but I guess it's a good thing that the negotiations will continue and hopefully we'll end up in a position where the entire conflict comes to a halt on a negotiated basis.
Matthew.
Do you share his sentiment? Do you think funding should be covered in Ukraine? I don't know that the president said that. I knew he was going to say that.
So as soon as we start the war, I can tell who's starting the war. Yes. Thank you. Personally, do you support
Did Ukraine start the war?
You know, I'm not... Have you expressed your opinion to Trump?
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Right? And I really appreciated those stories that aren't in the book because it really underscores the fact that the people in the book are not anomalies.
Yes. Incredible. I couldn't help when I was reading, thinking, I wonder how many of these people are still working.
Right. And then like Mark's team is gutted. And actually, I was reading this morning about what conditions are like. You can cut me off whenever. But for some federal employees, returning to the office has meant an expansion of their duties to include cleaning toilets and taking out the trash. For others, it has been commuting to a federal building, only continuing to work on video conferencing.
Some showed up at the office just to be sent home. Others showed up early and had nowhere to sit. Some employees within the FAA returned to an office where lead had been detected in the water. And spending freezes have meant a shortage of toilet paper.
I just feel bad. It's like thankless work and then this is the conditions.
I mean, didn't they just let go of people who oversee the bird flu response? Like these fuses are lit.
I'm sorry to interject, but I did not know what that question was until you said sports. I was panicking inside. What did you think the tush push was? I don't know. Her mind is going to dark places.
Yeah, I'm here to represent the people who have no idea what sports ball talk is.
Yes.
Narrow.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
55, 56.