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So most of the seven hours were the investigators asking questions, trying to get him to talk and him saying very little.

Absolutely. The defense says for as long as we've known him, that's how he is when we talk to him. But the investigators say, you know, we were accusing him of some pretty horrendous things. And most people would say, enough, leave me alone. How dare you? And he was very... calm and not saying much.

Absolutely. The defense says for as long as we've known him, that's how he is when we talk to him. But the investigators say, you know, we were accusing him of some pretty horrendous things. And most people would say, enough, leave me alone. How dare you? And he was very... calm and not saying much.

Absolutely. The defense says for as long as we've known him, that's how he is when we talk to him. But the investigators say, you know, we were accusing him of some pretty horrendous things. And most people would say, enough, leave me alone. How dare you? And he was very... calm and not saying much.

And I thought, isn't like the first impulse to be like, what happened? And again, the defense looks at it and says, well, look, he didn't get rattled.

And I thought, isn't like the first impulse to be like, what happened? And again, the defense looks at it and says, well, look, he didn't get rattled.

And I thought, isn't like the first impulse to be like, what happened? And again, the defense looks at it and says, well, look, he didn't get rattled.

And you could see the pain in his face when Nikki spoke to him about this, you know, where he's like, I don't readily talk about, I'm not proud that I did this, but there is a grieving family out there looking for answers. And in the end, he didn't have to wear, like they put something on his phone on the desk.

And you could see the pain in his face when Nikki spoke to him about this, you know, where he's like, I don't readily talk about, I'm not proud that I did this, but there is a grieving family out there looking for answers. And in the end, he didn't have to wear, like they put something on his phone on the desk.

And you could see the pain in his face when Nikki spoke to him about this, you know, where he's like, I don't readily talk about, I'm not proud that I did this, but there is a grieving family out there looking for answers. And in the end, he didn't have to wear, like they put something on his phone on the desk.

Right, yeah.

Right, yeah.

Right, yeah.

But he's a wonderfully thoughtful man who cares about his firehouse. And you can sense how troubled he is by all of this.

But he's a wonderfully thoughtful man who cares about his firehouse. And you can sense how troubled he is by all of this.

But he's a wonderfully thoughtful man who cares about his firehouse. And you can sense how troubled he is by all of this.

And it wasn't just that it couldn't be Matthew to Chief Schultz, the concept of a firefighter, someone who saves lives, who helps people doing, he was like, it couldn't be any of my guys because that's not what we do. Um, Again, Matthew willingly came in and I think some of it was, gee, am I ever going to get my job back? That maybe that might've been part of the lore.

And it wasn't just that it couldn't be Matthew to Chief Schultz, the concept of a firefighter, someone who saves lives, who helps people doing, he was like, it couldn't be any of my guys because that's not what we do. Um, Again, Matthew willingly came in and I think some of it was, gee, am I ever going to get my job back? That maybe that might've been part of the lore.

And it wasn't just that it couldn't be Matthew to Chief Schultz, the concept of a firefighter, someone who saves lives, who helps people doing, he was like, it couldn't be any of my guys because that's not what we do. Um, Again, Matthew willingly came in and I think some of it was, gee, am I ever going to get my job back? That maybe that might've been part of the lore.

And Chief Schultz was like, look, I will help you deal with this. Like, if you tell me I can go with you to the police, you can call me at two in the morning. Rob Schultz thought if he could appeal to him on that way, but he really, he just- He wouldn't give anything. Yeah. Didn't say anything. Yeah.