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You know what? You know what I think? I think it's not going to be long. I think you've been lying to me this whole time. You didn't get them right. I think you're a liar. I think you know exactly who did this and I don't buy your freaking story for a minute.
We've got a search warrant for your phone. That phone's going to be ours for a while. Because the calls, every call you've made probably in the past year, we're going to have to look at. Okay. Your text message, your thing. So we've got a search warrant for your phone. Okay? Why I say, I just think you're digging yourself a hole.
Sit right here and told me the same story, just like you're telling me. And, oh, they tried to convince me. And in the end, when the evidence come in, They sat there and we knew all along they were lying. You can be the hero or you can be the villain. Because things are just not piecing together with your story.
I just think there's still something that you probably know that you're not telling us.
You know what? You know what I think? I think it's not going to be long. I've been lying to you. I think you've been lying to me this whole time. You didn't get them right. I think you're a liar is what I think. I think you know exactly who did this, and I don't mind your freaking story for a minute. That's what I think.
What did this guy say he's going to do? Handle the situation. When did he take this? Yesterday.
I know, bro. You're a husband's worst nightmare. I know. I know some things. I know some things. Well, here's what I'll say. I know a court clerk in Manhattan Family Court. She knows some stories about you. Oh, shit.
Just on the boat, having a good time.
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And their pain becomes intellectualized. Like, you'll see, like, think pieces of, like, why does the South love MAGA? Like, how can weβlike, why is neo-Nazism on the rise through, like, a chart? And I feel like it misses the feeling of, you know, low-income people saying, like, no, we're in pain.
There's no loopholes in relationships.
A massive problem. Trusting statistics. Like, me personally, I have an issue with, like, data in that regard. Because, like, what's the saying? You can torture the numbers, they'll tell you anything you want. You know, like, it's difficult because every side has different data interpretations to support their idea. And now they're just making up stuff.
Yeah, and like a lack of public trust that I think is probably one of the largest issues I think in American politics is that you can't trust the data, you can't trust the politicians. I think that's the general feeling. And I think even like congressional stock trading is like a major issue with this.
I'm curious your opinion on like private holdings for publicly elected officials when it comes to the stock market. And I think that is one of the main things that is eroding the public trust in politicians.
I'm sorry. I feel like the thing we're kind of skirting, like touching on a little. I'm curious what you think. Like, it seems like from like a political philosophy point of view, it's easier for conservatives when looking at like the conservative liberal paradigm. Because for liberals, they have to have a direction to go. They have to say, where are we going to go?
And it seems like within the Democrat Party, there's a fracturing or like a bifurcating where you have the anti-Trump people that are like, we just hate Trump. And then you have sort of the economic, you know, leftist liberal that says we need to tax the rich. And then you have sort of the social cultural war, you know, Democrat that's like, you know, we need to support all the downtrodden people.
And it seems so, you know, spread and disorganized, whereas the conservatives just have to say, let's go back. And they can point at all the liberals and say, look how crazy they are. Let's just go back. Yeah. And so it seems like it's easier for the conservative.
Right. Yeah. That's so interesting because I feel like you're in a unique position to see both sides. You know what I mean? Like, because I feel like there's a perception from many people on the left, like, oh, these, you know, these conservatives are racist and homophobes and da da da.
Where I think many of them, at least like, you know, my family and all my friends in Florida that identify as conservative. Yeah. They don't really care about, you know, their friend being gay, you know, or like living in communities with like, you know, multi-ethnic backgrounds. It's not pressing for them.
And sometimes they will say things that are problematic, you know, like they'll be like, yeah, I don't care if my friends are gay, but like, don't make my kids gay, which obviously is a problematic idea. Yeah. But the core of what they're saying, I think the feeling that comes through, you're able to sort of understand in a way that I think a lot of people on the left don't.
Because they hear that and they go, well, you shouldn't say that. But you can kind of be in a position to say, well, no, I understand what he's trying to say. He's just not saying it properly.
He still says Oriental.
Contractors suck. You're like, I know.
What drew you to public service in the first place, right? Like you're graduating from Harvard, you're McKinsey, you have the opportunity, obviously a brilliant guy, to make millions of dollars and live your life in privacy. But yet you sacrifice all of that for a more meager pay and more public scrutiny.
That's fascinating. When we had Vivek on, and I'm naive, like living in New York, There was a moment where they asked him, you know, you can't be president because you don't believe, or they said to him, you can't be president because you don't believe in Jesus Christ. Something to that effect. Like, do you believe in Jesus Christ? And they made it a moment.
So I guess I'm curious, and I hope this doesn't sound reductive, but from your perspective, do you feel like America is ready for a gay president? And do you feel like that will be a major contention point if you were to run?
Nope, Chandler's a good city with good people. You don't have to do that.
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Lie to me, maybe? Yeah.
100%.
Can't stop on you.
Oh, the button.
Because I need to know that secret.
It's awesome.
It's awesome.
Let them figure it out on their own. And we have some good migrants. What's up? The Yankees have some good migrants. Oh, that's true. They've always loved the migrants.
That's true. It's a sanctuary stadium, okay? It is absolutely a sanctuary stadium. And if you leave a couple strikeouts, you get sent back. On the catapult. See you later. See you later. Yeah, we're throwing you over the wall.
How does it work?
I'm curious. What is your relationship like with Trump now? Do you guys correspond on a frequent basis?
Thank you.
The camera's malfunctioned. The guard fell asleep. There's nothing else you need to know. Right? That's all you need to know.
Where is Luigi Mangione being held? Is he federal?
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Laying meat, though.
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Well, what's interesting is over time, it's changed. In the moment, I remember that being the response. And now when people look back on it, they're like, oh, Eminem ended MGK's rap career. Because MGK transitioned into other stuff. And so I think the narrative got rewritten that way. But I remember in the moment, people being like, yo, I don't think MGK necessarily got destroyed.
I showed up.
Wow.
2019 and 2018 was the last one. That's crazy.
What do you know about Imabov, I guess?
You're just in the green room.
Just circling. I had to go out and sit with my wife in the audience. So what are you thinking when you're on stage, it's dark, and then you hear Ladies and Gentlemen, Jelly Roll. What's going through your mind in that moment? I was like, why wasn't I this nervous the first time?
I already feel like, and if I'm nervous, one sip of water, I gotta go to the bathroom. It's not even, it's like crazy.
What do you mean?
Peeing into a pool is a little sicker. You get out of a pool to pee? I mean, I don't really swim like that, to be honest with you. But like, you would leave the pool to pee? Yeah. You would go do that? Yeah.
I don't swim that much, so it's easy for me to stand on this.
You know what I'm saying? You were in his pool in Miami. I hope you peed in it.
Those are great.
Oh, that's petty. He's lying, but it's disgusting. It still feels real.
I did do that.
That's fun. Addiction's not fun. It destroys families. I noticed my brother stopped drinking, my dad stopped drinking, and went to food. I have a little bit of a food thing, too, but they're the same. It's just like an addictive personality. You let go of one for a lesser one, and then eventually, hopefully, you let go of food for maybe work or whatever.
I need some grip.
Do you think that's just a progression of it? I'm not 100% sure because I was fat and doing cocaine at the same time.
Why are they so good at the toilet thing? Why did the Japanese... Why are we not? We eat the most shit the most gotta be. Why are we not more focused on ass hygiene?
We were just talking about Nelly last weekend and how like, man, that first album, un-fucking-believable.
Country Grammar. Country Grammar, EI. Riding with me. Those were just like, those took over the country.
Oh, that's gonna be fun. This night is special. I'm pulling up. Yeah, dead ass.
What is this? 25th, 26th, 27th? Of what?
I'm bringing a wife.
No. Fuck is my algorithm doing?
Thank you, bro.
I don't say that lightly. Thank you, man.
Why do I do this every time? Beautifully broken. Stream it. Stream it right now. Beautifully broken.
Dude, to that point, I listened to this sports station in Dallas. I always talk about it, but they said you performed at a cafe in a radio station. When I say cafe, I mean two vending machines, some small tables. I don't even know, like 99.5 The Wolf, I think, is there in Dallas. I don't know how long ago that was. I can't even, I don't even understand that part of your life.
What is that journey like for you? What do you reflect on? Do you remember that moment?
Beautifully broke the rest of us.
I mean, this guy.
Wow. Busta Bust came out, dog.
I was like, why the fuck is Billy Crudup right here without seeing Sushi at Zero Bar?
Dude, we were broke when I first moved to L.A. So we would just go see rappers at like the late night shows like Conan or Carson or whatever the fuck Conan film like it's in New York. But we saw him at like Carson Daly or something. The room is half full. He comes out fucking destroys in a way. I've been to rap concerts. I haven't seen anything like this outside of Travis Scott.
And I was everybody. And then one girl walked out and she was like, man, I saw him at the House of Blues. Bottles were literally shaking on the bar just from how much everybody was jumping. He's a crazy performer. You have no clue.
Post is another one I'd love to have on this couch. Dude, he'll do it.
Let's do that.
If you're depressed in San Diego, kill yourself. Yeah, right. What the fuck are you doing? How do you even do that? let's fucking go it's going so well for jelly man
That was awesome.
Was it really impactful or was it just Beyonce dropping an album?
Exactly.
All right, Cucks, let's do some dates. January 9th through 11th. I don't know why they gave me those dates, to be honest with you, now that I think about it. Size splitters in Tampa. I feel a little way about that. I'm going to be honest. January 23rd to 25th, Sacramento. Those tickets will sell out. I promise you. They sold out two years ago, and I wasn't even really selling tickets back then.
January 31st through February 1st. West Des Moines, Iowa. Again, I cannot believe there's an East Des Moines, but West Des Moines, Iowa. I'm going to be at the Funny Bone February 21st and 22nd. I'm going to be in Brea, California. You know you guys love me. February 28th through March 1st, I'm going to be in Nashville, Tennessee. We got more dates coming.
I think I'm going to be in San Diego one of those times as well. Either way, guys, come through. Love y'all. AkashSingh.com for tickets. Thank you so fucking much. This year was awesome. Sold out. I think shows for six months straight. This weekend, the first show I didn't sell out. But still such a fucking awesome year. Love you guys. Thank you so much. Let's get back to the show.
Another form of, I think, corruption that many Americans see within both Democrats and Republicans is this idea of the stock trading. And they see that as kind of like another way to, you know, take some money off the top. And people have talked about Nancy Pelosi and her husband, for example, but I think it happens across the aisle. What is your take on that issue?
And is there a way to curb that?
Do you think it's realistic to effectively tax billionaires in a way that still encourages innovation within America?
And also, in that time, you saw Jackie Robinson play. I did. Is that true? Yes, I did. What was the energy like in the stadium watching Jackie Robinson play?
What I remember about him when he was older.
I want to go ahead. I'm curious. Like, I find you very brave and I find the work. No, I am not brave. I find you brave, personally, because I recognize that what you're doing disrupts, or at least you are attempting to disrupt, many powerful people and their access to unthinkable amounts of wealth.
So I'm curious, in your work and in your political career, have you ever felt that your personal safety was ever threatened?
That's right. Quality of life.
Guys, I'm sure you're all familiar with the old proverb, everything is wrestling. Politics, business, entertainment, every industry thrives on character development, storytelling, and building an audience. Wrestling is a mirror for whatever is happening in culture. So if you want to understand culture, just watch wrestling. And no one understands the art of storytelling.
What are examples of that? What are examples of you getting fucked?
You know, right? Yeah, there's like... Anytime I'm acting or like doing some movies, like sometimes you see some real pros there. Right. And they might have like a line or two in the scene and they'll just find a way to make it the funniest line. Even when they're not even saying anything.
Yeah. And it's not like they're being narcissistic. They're like, given one line, they're like, how can I add to this scene and how can I make this good? And watching that is really interesting because a lot of times you look at the script and you're like, okay, who has the most lines? Okay, me. I'm delivering it. Or that person. So you can have one line.
somebody suck his dick okay and we're back okay so yeah i wonder if like eating shit for that uh that much time gave you like a real competitive advantage because you get used to not getting the thing so now you're not bitter about not getting it and also you're not afraid about being the position where you're not getting put over yeah because you went heel a bunch of times even after your success yeah well and and i think it i don't know there's something like uh
I mean, personally? We didn't put the dick part in there. You understood what it was. You need to sell those aprons. What's that? Suck the chef. Go look this up.
Now, you're known as a group backstage.
Because on stage, some of you guys are babyfaces. Some of you guys are heels. And from my understanding, the heels and the baby faces never even really hung out that much backstage. They would never ride around together. To a degree.
And brand building better than our guest today is a 14-time WWE World Champion, a two-time Royal Rumble winner, and now he's behind the scenes running World Wrestling Entertainment. He's a man of many monikers. Terra Risen, Jean-Paul Levesque, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, the game. But today we're going to call him Triple H. Give it up for our guest. Thank you.
So you get an opportunity and immediately try to fuck it up as fast as you possibly can. Make up for lost time. Why don't we just tell the whole arena to suck our tits? That's it.
Is this around, like, the same time Stern is popping off, too? Yes.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. As we always said in the documentary, did a brilliant job of displaying. It's like, you know, wrestling is this great reflection of culture.
There's a lot of I can't believe I'm seeing this. Yeah.
Yeah, it was like being inappropriate was very cool. There's this rebellious nature happening in media and entertainment.
When is NWA popping?
96-ish.
80s is like prim, proper, everybody's got the suit on, hair slicked back. It's the overcorrection. In the overcorrection, yeah.
So now you're continuing to blur reality with wrestling. And it feels so much more real to the audience because this is a real memo that you've gotten from USA Network.
At this point, does Vince start to realize this thing that you're trying to usher in, which is blending reality and wrestling? Yes.
You could push his hands now. Now that we're blending things from the real world and the wrestling world, you could do something in the real world that forces him to incorporate it in a story in the wrestling world. Yeah. So if you're a control freak, you're like, I can't let the inmates run these. This is the ultimate the inmates run the asylum. Okay.
And the idea is that, like, you have to protect the business because without the business, there's no job. Yes. And it's all predicated on this idea that this is 100% real, not scripted, and that people need to believe.
he sees it working and he, what he truly cares about is what works. Yeah. So he's trying to exert power and force, but at the same time, you know, as long as it works, he's going to ride it. Yes.
So this is important that everybody is understanding right now. So at this point in time, there is no blend with his role and his character.
I want to get to this later because I don't want to interrupt the story, but I think one of the coolest things that I've learned now, especially different from when I was a kid watching wrestling, is how aware the average wrestling fan is of what's going on. And it's become really meta. To click away. Yeah.
Well, keep in mind, he's going against Jake the Snake, who at the time became very religious. Yes.
100%.
100%.
I think people know Austin 316 more than John 316. Like the world is more aware of Austin 316.
Okay, so what's happening? You're watching this transpire, right? That's supposed to be your shot. You're supposed to have that moment. You're supposed to cut some promo. Hunter 316. Are you pissed? Is there a part of you that's excited for him? Have you accepted a different fate?
Like, dude, this is, and the parallels with comedy are funny because I remember every time like OG comedian that was nice to me coming up. Yeah. That was kind to you. That helped you. Because there aren't a lot. Right. Exactly. Exactly. They are not a lot. And far more just ignore you or you're in the way or, and you remember those moments.
Dude, knowing failure, getting comfortable in failure... is very liberating because when you only know that the rise and the success and you go, you have some success WCW, then you come over to WWE and you're starting to rise. And then all of a sudden you get the King of ring and then you're online to get the belt. And then you get the belt.
You constantly have this monkey on your back where you're like, fuck, what if it all goes away? But once you've accepted it all going away, it's already gone away. And what happened? I just came back from it. It was fun.
So now you have that courage to be like, okay, I'll go heal. I'll fuck it up all over again, where I bet a lot of guys, and I'm curious your take on this, but like they're at the top, they're a baby face, and they're probably reluctant to go heal because they might go, what if I never get this chance again?
It's easy to make somebody pissed off at you. I actually even... Yes. Yeah, have you even thought about this?
Like, weren't you guys supposed to be kind of... And then you start bullying the baby faces, and then you guys kind of become...
Guys, very quickly, we have to interrupt this episode to give some credit for probably the biggest sports fan on the panel, Mark Gagnon. Let's go. For having the only winning bracket in the United States of America. He called the number one seed winning it. Yeah.
Okay, now that we know that you can literally predict sporting events.
314. Yeah, what about Volk? Is he going to pull it off? Yeah, 100%. So you're going with Volk, 100%. Second round knockout. Whoa.
So that would be considered a top sport.
He's fighting Diego. No, not Diego. Lopez. Lopez.
It is Diego Lopez.
And as we get into this, I think that's important that you brought that up because I think that's a, a huge game change that I hope you get credit for in wrestling and blurring the lines of what's happening backstage and on stage. Part of that.
Mark talks shit about all the guys that don't speak good enough English to come on the podcast.
Okay, so if you were going to bet on, if you're going to bet on UFC 314 and other top sports and political events, use the promo code FLAGRANT for your welcome bonus at stake, man. Go to stake right now. Now let's get back to this interview. I don't want to brush this one part off. I think it's very important in your lore. Sean has like a bad back injury, right? Yes. I think he wrestles.
Who does he wrestle at WrestleMania? Is it Stone Cold? Yeah, he wrestles Austin. And then I think Mike Tyson is the ref. Yes. Like massive match. He puts Austin over, retires for a little bit, right? Because of the back. Four years. Now, so far at this point in your career, you've always been like with the top guy.
Because when I was with Sean, right, I'm on the rise, but I'm in the middle somewhere. Sure. But like you're connected to Sean now or before you were maybe connected to the clique, even though it was backstage, but there was a connection. So this is the first time in your career where now you are at the helm. Yes.
And you asked Vince, and I remember you cut a promo where you like acknowledge Sean, but then you very quickly... Move on. Move on. Can you just tell me what's going on through your head right there? Because there's a big transition. So...
Are you scared at all? Are you like, maybe, is there like a, what is that called? Imposter syndrome happening at all?
Where you're like, they only like Sean.
So when you go on the attack, right, now we're blending the worlds again. That's a real business rivalry. This is not, you know, scripted storylines here. You guys are beefing, and you are attacking their brand. Yes. And at this point, is Vince completely on with having to blend the worlds, and now wrestling has to be more real?
So there's no more, like, protecting the old guard. No. The old guard is deceased.
So you destroy the camera, you smash it, do something, destroy it.
Do whatever I got to do. Got it. But, but,
So it's interesting. It's like the incentive structures makes you want to put other guys over. And this might also be your personality. But even when you're telling these stories, you're talking about putting other guys over. which seems like the right thing to do for the business.
It's a very rare thing in a narcissistic endeavor, which is entertainment, that there's someone who's going, how else can I put these different people over? What can I do? You've been talking about the different groups, right? Yeah, you're going to bring them into DX, but they're not ready once we, at this point, we'll do it. But WCW's incentive structure is just show up.
You don't have to worry about the business at all.
Okay, first question. I'm doing some research on you, and I come across this story. I don't know if it's legend. You can break it down for us. But basically, one of the worst moments in your career, you get punished unjustly. And because of that punishment, one of the greatest superstars in the history of wrestling is created. Tell us how we get there.
Is this while you're wearing the riding pants and you have the bow in your hair?
I was like, but this is not what I want to do. So how, how, because you understand the only way that you're going to get those big main events and then maybe get the belt is that you have to play something opposite that is super white hot right now.
If they hate the character, they hate the character.
100%.
Okay. How many other wrestlers, and now that you're the boss, understand the game like you understood it at that time and are coming to you and asking similar questions?
I imagine those are the guys that have the greatest longevity in the business.
First time he told me that, he said, you feel it. So you get this feeling, you're like, I can be one of those guys. This is my pathway to being one of those guys. How do you set that story in motion? You can't just go, I'm leaving the group. There needs to be a reason to leave the group.
Is this the Stephanie storyline? This comes into it a little bit later. So which is? The Stephanie one? The Steph storyline. Okay, so you're already there.
But there's going to be a wedding on Raw, is it? On Raw. Yeah, so everybody's... Yeah, sure. Were they involved in real life? No, no, no. Oh, okay. Were you guys at the time involved at all? No, I didn't even really know her.
Yeah.
Oh, and this is unexpected completely. Well, oh, that's right. They're calling her like a slut.
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The promo where you go and the question isn't if we consummated the marriage. It's how many times. Okay. Does this just, are you riffing? You're filling the audience and going for it?
Now all the attention is on this storyline in the biz or there's still other things. There's other things going on.
Right.
Even though you guys are already seeing each other at the time. So he, so now the people know, do people know in the real world that you guys are seeing each other at this point?
So you're saying other wrestlers were starting to get jealous? Yes.
And then... But by this point, you've already proved to him that you look out for the business. You're trying to put other people on.
Okay. Yeah, my quad injury is like 2001. It's just so funny, the lore around you, because as I'm doing research, there's different stories. One story is during the quad injury, you cozy up to Vince, and that's where you really start to soak up the game. But you were already doing it prior.
Yeah.
So during this point, are you not part of creative meetings? Are you still consulting in any way? What's up with Stephanie? Are you guys away from each other?
Okay, so real quick. So during this time... My understanding is the chatter around the wrestling world while you're taking some time away is... Because you've been heel, you've been babyface, but you've been like hated. And some of the hate was so real because you're mixing like real life and wrestling that like it turns into real life hate towards you, a lot of people. To some degree.
To some degree. My understanding is during this time, the audience kind of like flips and they start going... wait a minute, you know, this guy Triple H has really put in the time. He's dedicated to the craft. So we really miss him. We really love him. And you're not doing anything. You're not doing any spots or anything like that. But there's this real, like, lust to have you back.
Is this accurate? Yeah.
I want to talk about this match specifically, because my understanding is that the chat in the wrestling world is we really miss him. And maybe we're not giving him a fair shake. We really love this guy. And now there's like a real excitement about you coming back. And then MSG is when you come back and it's not even a match.
You're announced that you're you're just going to come back and cut a promo. Yeah. What I've been told is, by wrestling enthusiasts, is that when you come out, it's the biggest pop they've ever heard at Madison Square Garden.
This is what I'm just saying from wrestling enthusiasts. What they said is when you come out, and again, you're leaving the company as the biggest heel. Nine months later, you haven't done anything. It's not like you're cutting promos. There's nothing going on. So it's pure just, you know what? I kind of miss that guy. He was really great for the business. Do you have it?
I think it's... Can we watch this?
And then you realize it was really nice having that bad guy around.
Hit it.
Because it's not instinctually.
Are you recutting the promo in your brain based on how much like support you have?
You can't even talk. That's fine.
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But that's societal utility. Yeah. Going against the man. Yes. You get to be a bad guy because there's a worse guy. Yeah. That you're going to confront.
So the people are happy to see you all acknowledge that you're friends. It's this crazy moment, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks like you're going to win.
Right. That's right. Because the bigger the villain, the more the audience wants to see that villain go down, the more they celebrate the baby face.
If I don't hate that bad guy, if I'm not rooting against that bad guy, if that bad guy doesn't stand for everything that I despise, then how can I really root for the baby face? So the core for the story is having a great villain. It's, we've talked about this a lot, even in like a Marvel movies is like they, they do villains better than DC. Thanos is an amazing villain. Yeah.
It's like, you want to hate him, but then also like, does he have a point? Is there something he's going after?
You didn't have to do the mustache thing. Yeah. But I get what you're saying. Like a lot of times at DC, it's just like, I'm space alien that wants to destroy the earth. And it's like, who cares? Why is that important? But Thanos going like, Hey, it's unfair for people. It's unfair for most people in the galaxy. So why don't we just get rid of half of them and then nobody will starve.
And you're like, wait a minute. He's kind of got a point. There's some empathy in that.
This is actually a transition. Real quick, just real quick on this storyline, because specifically with Cena, you have this monumental task taking this like super baby face and you have to find a way to turn him into a bad guy that kind of justifies story, right? Yeah. Because I was looking at it. I'm looking at some of the stats and it's like, okay, he has 16 championships.
First time in wrestling history this has happened, where you kind of break?
He's tied with Ric Flair. And it's like, you're going into WrestleMania. And then without any storyline, it's like, okay, of course he's going to win. And then he gets his 17th and then it's over. And then I'm watching this match and I see that great moment with The Rock and the face go cold. And this idea that I'm going to end wrestling.
I'm going to win and then retire and then nobody will ever win a belt for real again. Yeah. And now all of a sudden, I'm like, if I'm a wrestling fan, I've got to protect wrestling. Yeah.
It's like, why haven't you given him up? He's done everything for the business. He's always done the right thing.
Yeah, why the fuck does he get all the love?
Yeah. You can have heat with everyone hates you.
As someone who's been top heel, do you have a little bit more, I don't want to say respect, but like love for the people who bring heat, the people who are the heels?
He has a rebellious nature.
Also, phenomenal wrestler. I remember MSG, him and Seth. And Seth, too. Even if you didn't know anything about their characters and you were just dropped into MSG that night, you just watched these guys go at it. Incredibly engaging.
right so does that say something about culture today that there's less of an affinity for like long-term baby faces like how does wwe today reflect culture now yeah i think i think that's difficult i think like i think everybody in the world wants to see you succeed just not too long so they flip on it that they want to see you come up they want to see you come up everybody wants to see you come up but staying there is tough yeah it's something we said here before it's like um
When you're on your way up, you represent people's dreams for themselves.
And then when you're on top, you represent what they may never achieve. They may never achieve and what they'd like to achieve, but you're in the way. You're in the way. Yeah. So it's like, okay, you got to get down.
Yeah. Okay. So now you know that and you understand that's people's reaction to it. Right. So you have like this suit. What is it? White meat, baby face in Cody. Right. And. He seemed to have maintained it, but is there a point where you're going to have to go, uh-oh?
Who cares? Just go with it. And he was having trouble with this idea that he's supposed to be baby-faced, but not everybody was buying in.
There's only one. Leonardo DiCaprio. The worst thing they say about him is he has sex with hot girls.
I have a theory on these guys.
I have a theory on these guys. It's lack of exposure.
So if you're doing it week in and week out, it's tough for people to stomach that. If they don't actually love you for you for whatever reason, you start to be this representative of infallible greatness, which makes a lot of people be like, well, I'm infallible.
fuck is up with that? So, but if you put out one movie a year or Denzel's another one, it's like, nobody's ever hated Denzel. We'll never hate Denzel. But if you're putting out one or two movies here tops, and then you go away, I think a lot of times with the even actors, and this is like to, to the point about everything's wrestling.
It's like the actors that are like constantly in your face, like Keanu looks like he's trying to get away.
But in your business, you can't go, hey, Cody, we're gonna need you to go away. He's gotta be there every night. He's the fucking champ. So you need to build up heels that people despise.
There's a, you know, you're obviously familiar with Floyd Mayweather, right? Yeah. And, uh, yeah, I'm a big boxing fan. I was watching his career and I helped him, uh, when he wrestled for us and fought big show, I trained him for that. How was he in training? Was he, and he was like, you know, good listener and he was down to do whatever it went through.
I mean, that's like an unbelievable amount of discipline. Like the thing about Floyd is there's the antics and there's the character or whatever. But like when you watch him in the ring.
And think about it. When he goes up in weight and starts fighting these bigger guys and he's having some hand problems, he's not really getting these knockouts. He's fighting a much more defensive style. So how do you sell out pay-per-views fighting a style that casuals might not care? I love it because I love boxing. I'm looking at the best ever. You like the science.
But not everybody wants the science.
So what do you do? You make yourself hated. You make people root against you. And he becomes this ultimate heel. And people were paying 70 bucks to watch him lose. And he'd never fucking lose.
Remember one man, while Marquez was drinking his pee. Yeah. Like they were doing all these like crazy unorthodox training things.
But I was like, Jesus, this guy is just too much. But he got it. He got the storytelling.
I mean, rumblings and boxing, of course, but the average person, no. Obviously, Pacquiao was big. And then... I'm trying to think, like, Cotto. I mean, Canelo. It's crazy to see what Canelo's done and what... I was at that Canelo fight. Yeah. I was there, too. I mean, it was like... Canelo didn't lay a hand on him.
So what is it about us then? I mean, that's where like wrestling is just perfect and understanding human condition. And I think now that... I think now more than ever, maybe you ushered this in. Now as there's this blend between reality and wrestling, people are much more aware of what's happening with storylines. So it's maybe even more difficult for you to catch them off guard.
But what is it about the human condition that we need these bad guys? It's this constant David versus Goliath. I don't know, man.
So you're okay with... Not giving an audience what they want in the short term because the long-term payoff is that much more valuable.
Dude, there's the, do you watch White Lotus at all? You fall on this season? I'm just so busy. I haven't Okay. So there's this great show called White Lotus, right? I've only watched this season and there's 200 seasons. I've heard of it. But like the first four episodes came out and people were panning it. They were going, ah, this is bullshit.
Or like, oh, this season is, you know, it's a, what is it? You jump the shark or whatever. Like, oh, this is boring, whatever. And I bumped into one of the producers and he was like, just sit back, relax and enjoy the show. And I was like, oh, that's a really confident, that's a really confident take. And episode five, six, seven, it's like four episodes. Just you planted all the seeds.
And when they went to harvest it, it shut the internet down.
It was like the only conversation. So it's having maybe the balls to like put those.
Every single night.
And the audience feels that too. And the best version of it is if they think the entire thing is more or less that. So like you're in a joke, but then there may be are parts of that joke where the audience is going, wait, is he kind of riffing this? Is he reacting to our reaction?
And sometimes you got to lie, not lie to yourself, but sometimes you got to trick yourself. Sometimes you got to get into the joke, at least for me, differently. Yeah. Like every night I'm going to purposely put myself in a situation where I haven't said it like this and then see what happens. Yeah. And then maybe a new line comes around and, but they can feel my excitement and energy.
Dude, there's a weird thing in comedy where like, you'll try a new joke. And they'll like react to it and you'll walk off stage like, I got a killer. And then you'll listen to it and you'll be like, that bombed. What the fuck just happened? And it's simply like, you're excited about it. So the little reaction that they think is way bigger.
But like, I think they can get almost like they feed off of your excitement, authenticity.
Also, the expectation might be way less for your reaction because you're not the top guy. You're a guy earlier in the card, and then when they're going crazy, they're not there to only see you. The main event expectation is a different fucking ballgame.
I heard it too. You were saying you had a friend in comedy when you were coming up?
When you least expect it.
I was the victim of one of yours. Yeah. That was fucked up. I know. Be honest. Did you have any... I think you had... Who moved my seats? That's all I want to know.
i mean top star is generous right part-timer you're gonna let a guy that thinks he's a top star okay fair enough i'm just saying now he's gonna show me this and be like but we're serious bro because we're seated we're seated initially with all the other dudes that are behind mcafee and call like and and then all of a sudden last second we get seated over there and my stupid ego is like oh i've done madison square garden before oh they want to put me forever and like
My wife is there. I'm like all excited, whatever like that. And then Logan calls me out and there's a moment where like, I kind of like look and I look at Dove. Cause I'm like, did you fucking do like, what the hell is going on? And then he has no clue about what's happened. And then when he starts like doing shit, he's like doing like a work on me. Yeah.
Yeah. So then when he announced me, I'm like, what is he trying to pull me into? And then he does this whole fucking shtick where, like, now I have to, like, co-sign his nonsense. And I'm like, I'm at home. Like, you get to wrestle. I see these people every single fucking day. So I'm like, you're not going to pull me into this bullshit.
And especially when you're not even wrestling, that you're cutting a promo. That's why I showed up to watch you cut a fucking promo.
Yeah, so I'm not going to let him do that to me. Well, you sort of did.
Logan is fucking lucky that AJ pulled up. If I put hands on Logan in front of my people, Madison Square Garden, I would shock these pussies didn't jump in. We have a perfect opportunity.
Why not? This is wrestling. This is what it is. My boys are sitting there watching, eating popcorn like assholes.
I thought I could, too. You actually embarrassed me even more. Now I might have some beef with you. You send in this other guy. I mean, beautifully, he does a great job. He's jumping over the ropes and everything like that. But I'm like, let me do it old-fashioned in front of my people. I did feel a little bit of disrespect from that. It almost felt like you thought I couldn't defend myself.
So you're basically saying that Logan has the keys to the business, that the inmates run in the asylum. I am also saying that if I need a punishment is all I'm saying.
All right. Well, I just want to let you know that's the last time something like that happens.
That's all I'm saying. You know what I mean? So, you know, maybe you want to see me in the bleachers. You want to see me in a nice suite or something like that. Because if I'm front row, you never know what might happen.
I can't.
Yeah. Yes. Them explaining butt to us. Yeah.
Yeah, I guess that's true. But when we tug on it, it's fun. You almost understand them. Anyway, listen. Triple H, you're a fucking man.
He's got to get out of here.
Shawn Michaels is the champ. Can't punish the champ.
You guys are in Europe. I was seeing you guys sell out these arenas in Europe.
And they're chanting their own soccer chants because they just want to be
And now it feels like it's a part of culture. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Dude. Okay. Last, I know you got to go. Um, there is a wrestler in New York city. His name is Tommy invincible. He is the purest white meat baby face.
Nothing like that. That guy's not a wrestler. That's just a civilian that was taken advantage of and does not need his redemption because I'm a Buddhist now and I don't care about that kind of stuff. And I'm not going to be used for fucking clicks ever again. You're above it. But if you show up in my neighborhood, you're going to get popped. This guy, Tommy Invincible, I'm obsessed with.
I watch every single Instagram he puts out. Okay, I would be upset if I did not notice that he is right now the United States Bronx champion. It is going to blow his fucking mind that I'm talking to him about you right now. Yeah. But I'm telling you, this guy... is absolutely phenomenal, okay? And he's a lifer.
He's dedicated his life to this thing, and he's incredible, and I just want to put him on your radar.
Okay, Triple H, thank you so much.
Hey, Kristen, how's it trackin'?
So, we gonna... I don't know.
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I just couldn't wrap my head around what kind of person would do that to another person that was getting treatment, that was, you know, dying.
I just couldn't wrap my head around what kind of person would do that to another person that was getting treatment, that was, you know, dying.
I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.
I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.
Just got a note from the president saying that if you want another drink, you should order it now because the bar will be closing down. Of course, he said the same thing about Guantanamo. So you have at least another eight years.
What?
The bonus is just an add-on. I was already doing that job.
Well, you could argue that. In Hell Week, you were like, I am going to quit, guys.
North and south. West of the smoke. West of the smoke. Okay, copy. West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Come on, win it, baby. Give it to me. I need it. Get cleared hot. Copy. Cleared hot.
Oh, the camera guy. Well, and of course. Oh, and if you're on camera.
Yeah, he and I were totally fine. No, amazing.
I'm looking forward to it.
Yeah.
He's like, demon! Demon! Have fire!
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2016.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
He said lost too much blood.
That's totally great.
I have a fever. And that seems kind of harsh.
The Skin Taker, that's what you're forgetting.
And I think you would know better than to use harsh verbiage that would hurt him.
It was my family's mystery.
It was my family's mystery.
It was my family's mystery.
It was my family's mystery.
I got a dog that age. I don't buy anything.
I got a daughter that age. I don't mind it.
So many salacious details started coming out.
So it's Christmas 2012 at Brooke's house.
Our first house nearly never got built. My wife was so bent on helping the builder. Woman, I said, leave that poor man alone and make us some coffee. Not that kind you've been buying either. Instant Maxwell House coffee. Be a good little Maxwell House wife, and we'll be happy here for a long time.
If you want to get away with wielding true malevolent power, be boring.
Anyone? Anyone? The Great Depression. Anyone?
Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects?
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Yeah, that I'm not a fan of.
100%.
100%.
It can come out? Yeah, it's like in your vagina.
Like, like we're about to eat. We're about to eat. What comes out?
I get it now.
I didn't get what he meant by when he showed me what a rosebud was.
Yeah, that went over my head and I was just like, yeah.
But it was kind of bloody. Red. It was red. Dark red. All right.
What era are you in right now?
It's not random and it was one boy. Add a Chris in your floor.
No, I'm telling you, it was the only thing popping on Broadway. All of Broadway.
I love it. I would say I'm in my interior design era. Yeah, for sure. Oh, your passion. I think about home design and like how my living room is going to look like mid podcast. I'll just be. I need to do this.
Yeah. Yeah, Marty. I move on so fast with things, but also the wallpaper was shit.
Yeah, but I have the perfect color, so I'm just going to get a perfect paint in. Wayne Scott, my favorite thing. Oh, we love it.
I was like, fuck. And he was like, no, he was like, normally I walk in and it's like 10 times worse. You made it 10 times like better than original. And I was like, okay, good. I was like, so you don't care that I do all this? He's like, absolutely not. This is yours. Do whatever. I was like, oh,
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Changing every light fixture.
Too different. Too different. But she got me thinking that I want to see my cows. I want to eat a cow.
Yeah. What did you get?
I love how you said they love classical music, so I play 90s R&B. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I wanted to just feel it out.
Don't even love Sade.
Those little like plastic pools.
Yeah. Okay. Who do you think it was? Exactly who I thought it was.
I want to know if it bled and if it hurt.
It hurt. With a fingernail clipper. Oh. And a skin. I want to know.
I tried with fingernail clippers. I thought it was just another day.
Okay, I have an ask. Okay. Okay. How does one break up with a friend when that person is part of a friend group? I think I'm just in a different headspace in my life right now, and she can be very, very toxic. I need to protect my peace.
Yeah. But also it's like, look at the other people you're hanging out with. If they approve whatever she's doing and support it, maybe you shouldn't be friends with them either.
Probably because you make out. This is my best friend.
What a good POV.
Kennt ihr auch diesen einen Freund, der morgens einfach so ruckzuck aus dem Bett und danach aus dem Grinsen gar nicht mehr rauskommt? Der sogar noch vor dem ersten Kaffee unverschΓ€mt gut gelaunt ist und mit der Morgensonne um die Wette strahlt? Furchtbar. Ekelhaft.
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Wenn jemand Charles und Melanie gesagt hΓ€tte, dass sie nach ihrem Tinder-Match gemeinsam einen Channel mit crazy Aufgaben starten, also wirklich crazy, fΓΌnf Tage auf einer einsamen Insel verbringen, eine Zipline an einem Gurt runterrasen, eine Million Views knacken, eine Wand mit SauknΓΆpfen hochklettern und Fallschirmspringen in Γgypten? Das hΓ€tten die beiden niemals geglaubt.
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This is pretty radical. I hear you. There you go, Maria, where the rubber meets the road here.
Apparently, reports this morning indicate that in the Republican caucus meeting, a member of Republican leadership stood up in the meeting and supposedly told his caucus a simple instruction. Not a single one of you should attend or participate in a town hall. Why? because they are scared of their own constituents, Mr. Speaker.
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So I've made a list, a little list of some coworkers of yours that I think you and some other ball-busting senators need to, I don't know what you do to get them to come on board. Okay, Senator Tillis, Murkowski, Collins, Wicker, and I was going to say McConnell, but he just voted for Kash Patel. But what can we do to get some transparency about Elon Musk dismantling the federal government?
Let's talk briefly before I kick it to my esteemed co-host, Pumps. Your former colleague, Marco Rubio, and what an abject disappointment this man is. He's got some kid working for him now at the State Department called Big Balls. And this is real. And we're talking about the Department of State for the United States of America. Marco Rubio was hustled and played like a fiddle in Saudi Arabia.
It was he looks like he's a hostage. It was so embarrassing as somebody that worked with him. And you see these Republicans that know they have more. He was on the Intelligence Committee. They know what Putin's up to when you see them bend the knee. to Putin and you see the revisionist history coming out of this Trump administration, how terrifying is that for you and your Democratic colleagues?
The Senate just confirmed Kash Patel. It's a total nightmare. And there is bombshell reporting coming out from Vanity Fair, Gabriel Sherman, that Republican senators are, quote, scared shitless to vote against Trump. So let's talk about what's going on at the Senate with somebody who works in the Senate. Let's welcome to IHIP News, Senator Rosen. Senator Rosen.
Do you think that this is possible without Republican support? everybody knows that Republicans played a key role in the Watergate scandal, which looks like total child's play compared to what we're seeing right now. And I mentioned some Republican senators before, and it's widely known that in the gym and around, they don't like Donald Trump. Everybody talks behind his back all the time.
Okay, I am kind of terrified when I start thinking about Elon Musk, the lack of transparency, it appears. by all of my observations, that he's the boss of the President of the United States, the Oval Office escapade, the joint interview with Sean Hannity. And you may remember when your former colleague, Vice President Kamala Harris, did an interview with Governor Walz.
I agree. Have you been surprised at how they've ceded their power? I mean, we have three equal branches of government, and the Republicans have just been over to a man who nobody behind the scenes likes except for a percentage of his base that has fed a diet of right-wing propaganda all the time. Has it shocked you when you see people like Marco Rubio
Lindsey Graham, people that know, that have seen stuff that we haven't seen, that our listeners haven't seen regarding Vladimir Putin. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the Russians attempt to hack Florida in 2017 and Marco Rubio was a whistleblower on this whole thing?
Can you guys stop this and get us to 2026?
Fox News had a stage five meltdown about the two of them doing it together and what poor leadership it was. And here we have Musk who has outwardly said he wants to dismantle democracy. We all know that's Vladimir Putin's number one objective is to dismantle democracy.
Keep fighting the good fight and good luck at work.
Anytime. Thanks.
Sunday, everyone. We are here with Congressman Eric Swalwell, and we're going to do some MAGA bashing on this Sunday. So fasten your seatbelt. This is going to be therapeutic, terrifying, and at the end, hopefully a little bit of grit and hope for all of us. Congressman Swalwell, how are you today?
We are living in the middle of a historical moment right now. And last year, my husband and I went to Paris to go to the French Open. And while we were at the gate, there were all of these military people there and they had flags and like little drummers. And we were like, what's going on as we're boarding the flight? Well, it was the 80th anniversary of D-Day.
And I feel like, Eric, I feel like the fix is in. I feel like they are firing people as quickly as possible, making sure there's no integrity, no accountability anywhere. Because what autocrats do when they get power is they make sure they never have to cede it. And I love the idea of getting to the midterms.
But what I'm watching and the alliance with Russia and the dismantling of inspectors and transparency And anybody decent is getting fired and sent down the river. And this crackhead pops up and this crackhead pops up. And these people, I feel like the fix is in. And I feel like it is ambitious and somewhat unrealistic.
And we're operating in assumption politics again, like we assume Trump would never get reelected. And that's the error that Democrats make. We operate in assumption politics. And right now, I feel like we're assuming we're gonna make it to the midterms. But from what I'm seeing, and I mean, Trump barely left the White House last time. I mean, he packed his toys up at the very last minute and left.
What makes you think that we are going to get to these midterms and that they are gonna be free and fair? Because myself and all of our listeners were terrified about this.
And these men were flying over and they were, you know, very, very elderly. And there was so much respect. The captain came on and he said, we have 10 men that stormed the beaches in Normandy. We are celebrating the 80th anniversary of D-Day. How anti-military and anti-veteran and anti-democratic is what Elon Musk just tweeted?
And here's what irritates me about Democrats as well. It's. like this last election we lost and so then somebody does a poll and says don't talk about woke stuff and it's like I feel like it's the opposite. I live in a red state. I live around all these triple Trumpers. I'm outside of the beltway. I know what these people think. They like authenticity.
They like for you to say, yeah, if me standing up for not bullying gay kids makes me woke, then I am. That's right. Fuck you. That's why Trump won, because he's authentic about being a nut. He's authentic about being cruel. I knew when Kamala started trotting around with Liz Cheney, I knew because how desperate is that? Oh, look, look, look, we have a trophy.
We have a woman who stood on camera and said that babies are being murdered after they're born. That's what Liz Cheney's stance was. And all of a sudden we're giving her this profile and courage because she said a crazy person is crazy, that she said a dangerous person is dangerous. Like the bar for Republicans is so low. All you have to do is say, Yeah, I think Trump's dangerous.
And then you get to trot around with us. I mean, it's just, it drives me insane.
And I think when Kamala and Tim Laws were calling them weird and saying, look at how that's when they were surging in the polls. But I think you've got these people inside the beltway. that do a focus group and they're scrambling jets and they're pulling stuff out of the parking lot and they're circling back and doing all this corporate speak.
And then it's just like, then you don't seem authentic anymore. And I think that's where Democrats really fail. But I feel like we're at a moment right now where it's not right now for me as somebody who's covering this, my goal is not to say, oh, we all have to support Democrats. It is, we all have to support democracy. And if I see a Democrat
voting to confirm some of these crackheads that are going through the cabinet, they need to be called out as such. It is appeasement. It is very clear that Russia has won and the weakest men on the globe, Musk, Trump and Vance have completely acquiesced and capitulated to a weak Vladimir Putin. I think anybody who votes that way needs to be called out.
And I personally think that every single Senate Democrat needs to have a press conference and say, we regret our vote of Marco Rubio. He's clearly in a trance, hypnotized, hostage, lost his spine, something. And apply the heat there. I mean, I saw where you put this tweet up where you were trolling Marco on Twitter. Love this shit. So Marco tweets after he sat there and was green on the sofa.
Thank you at POTUS for standing up for America in a way that no president has ever had the courage to do before. Thank you for putting America first. America is with you. And it's like, OK, North Korea. And then you, Representative Eric Swalwell, comes back. Bro, did you write this? We all saw you. You tried to shrink in your chair.
You looked at Trump like he was some crazy ass pops who was embarrassing you on your first date. Don't bullshit us. Grow a pair. Love it. Love to see it. Hearted it. I mean, loved everything about it.
OK, so moving forward is is what are the what is the House Democrats plan? Are you all trying to apply pressure to some Republicans in purple districts. Um, you know, I know Raskin said a couple of weeks ago, um, find me three Republicans and we'll start impeachment hearings immediately. What is the plan to somehow halt this, um, lawless tyrannical pro-Russian dismantling of the United States?
What is the house? What is, what is your plan? Because I've seen your leader, Hakeem Jeffries yesterday, And I was kind of hard on him yesterday because he said he was going to urge Republicans to make Trump be more mature. I mean, I might as well sit here and try to look like a 19 year old by exfoliating my face. It's just not ever going to happen.
And I feel like we're in a moment where we need the loudest, meanest, Dickish fighter voices imaginable. And if that isn't Hakeem Jeffries, then sit down and let you and Crockett and Raskin and others stand up and lead us because there is a, there is this feeling out in the American public where we are looking for leadership. We are looking for
people to say, meet us here at this date, at this time. We're going to march. We're going to do this. Here's your steps. And it seems like a very disjointed counterattack to basically this capitulation to Russia. So what do you come on, Eric? Come on. We fucking need you, man. Come on. What can we do here?
on friday and i'm gonna why don't you come to oklahoma city my district is stephanie bice it's purple as you had that seat before so yes kendra horn had it you come here i'll set it up because oklahoma city is super purple and stephanie bice is she's always a sycophant always voting with trump and oklahoma city is very very very purple and so i mean we would love to host and i think that's a great idea where
I went to her website and she was doing a phone town hall, which is just so weak. I mean, come on.
I feel like the clock is ticking and I feel like that fix I talked about earlier, how they're dismantling and firing any accountability. The fix is closing in to where they will have it, to where they might do what Putin does, where they have performative elections and they make people feel like it. But I feel like they're getting the fix in and I feel like there is a need for urgency.
in a rapid response, but I wanted, you've probably seen this clip, but I wanted to show it to our viewers. Here is a guy in a red state district getting completely annihilated, one of your coworkers.
Exactly. Exactly.
Moses Mike Johnson. I call the Speaker of the House Moses Mike because he says that God told him he was Moses.
Exactly. No false idols. I don't know. I'm not religious, but sounds... Okay, so Moses Mike went on Fox, of course, and he said, oh, these are democratic plants. These people are paid. Everybody saw that audience. You saw that was... Cracker, cracker, cracker, white, rural Americans booing the fuck out of that guy.
And they're talking about veterans losing their jobs and they're starting to realize that this was a bait and switch situation. That's another podcast entirely how people could be triple Trumpers and just now figure it out, and we can figure that out on the autopsy of this if we all survive it.
But I think this is the way β one of the ways forward, I think, now that the weather is warming up, huge marches in the streets, I think that Trump, the reason why he didn't have his inauguration outside is the same reason that, remember, at the tail end of the election, his arenas weren't filling up? Yeah. He is not nearly as popular as people think.
Elon Musk and Russia have bot farms that go online that give the appearance of people liking him. They give the appearance that he's popular. He is a smoke and mirrors guy. He is a con man. And they are gaming the system because they're too insecure and too corrupt to want people to like them. for themselves.
But Congressman, I love having you on because you're just like, you'll tell it like it is. You'll take questions from anybody and talk about anything. So listeners, if you have questions for the Congressman, put them in the comment section and then Kylie and Seth will start popping it up. Mr. Swalwell, do you think Trump will call for martial law as people protest more? Great question.
Yeah, I think so too. I remember that. And it's important to remember everybody that worked with Trump in the first term left and wrote books about how dangerous he was. And He told people he wanted to have generals like Hitler's generals. Okay. Here's from Rome Dog. At this point, who is the leader of the resistance and who are our generals?
AOC.
medicaid and medicare aren't we and you think the crowds were big at that protest you just showed or that town hall you just showed 32 of americans rely on medicaid for their health care don't you think they've always been chomping at the bit though to do this i mean they have been chomping at the bit they want to privatize everything privatization is horrible when it comes to public services like this and i feel like the democrats have to have a multi-throng approach and i feel like
When you see what Trump does right now, like he literally does something so insane. And then he has it tweeted and Instagram and they market the presidency at the same time. There was a. Democrats did this week and I put it up yesterday on yesterday's stream and it had like 45 tiny bullet points that you would have to zoom in for. And I think that we need to message this thing constantly.
Trump is Putin's puppet. Big, you know, just very simple things. Trump hates veterans. Yes. We have the data to back it up and just dumb it down.
People are dying. Our allies hate our guts. Putin is celebrating. And I think that like the Democrats haven't really messaged how weak of a standing Russia is in. That should be something that we're like, this country is so weak right now. Their economy's weak, their military's weak, and we capitulated to them.
He's golfed. I think it's 29% of his presidency he's spent on the golf course.
I have a better idea, Eric. I know where he needs to go. He and Elon Musk need to get on a SpaceX rocket and go to Mars. That's what I think.
Go run Mars, big boys. Okay, let's do a couple more questions for the congressman, and then we'll let you go spend a lovely afternoon with your children.
Okay. Hi, Senator. He's actually a congressman. Hi, Congressman Swalwell. Do you have a suit, sir? How dare you come dressed to this live stream in your black hat and then a smiling face emoji?
I agree. I thought it was disgraceful. I sit there saying. Have you said thank you, JD Vance, sitting there? And it's just like, you're dying to go home and pop a smoky eye, sit down and shut up, JD Vance. I mean, did you see where he went to Vermont yesterday to go skiing? There was a mile long protesters.
And again, I think everybody needs to understand this is a smoke and mirror presidency by Trump. He did not have his inauguration outdoors because he knew the crowd would be impotent. He moved it inside, and they have troll forums that promote their stuff, and Elon Musk owns Twitter. They're not as popular as you think.
And Marco Rubio went home to get in the fetal position and suck on his bottle. I mean, what a titty baby that man is. What an abject disappointment. I thought it was impossible for me to dislike someone more than I dislike Ted Cruz. But little Marco, and now I certainly understand why Donald Trump called him that. I mean, he nailed it.
That was one thing he was right about, calling him little Marco. He is the most unlikable, and pardon my language, Congressman, unfuckable man besides J.D. Vance, Trump, and Musk. Little Marcos right there. Okay. A couple more questions for the Congressman, then we'll let him go. Okay. What happens with Ukraine now?
Are there going to be further talks between our piece of shit president and Zelensky, or are we at a standstill?
I don't think there's any question. And before the election, you heard some people in the French government saying while the election was going on, we need to start focusing on Europe's independence because we can't rely on the state of Wisconsin and the electoral college to determine the security of Europe at large. And this is what I want to talk about.
And- Congressmen, let's talk about this and end on this note, because you and I talked about this briefly before we went live. For all of this time, we have been trying to form a very strong pro-democratic alliance in the world. And then there is the axis of evil on the other side. Russia, North Korea, Iran, China. And within six weeks, you have Trump say, no, we don't want to be in NATO.
We just saw that tweet from Elon Musk. And I want to remind everybody, appears to be Trump's full-time nanny saying, yeah, we should leave NATO. So now this realignment, this is a historical moment that we're living in right now, where the United States of America is realigning with the
democracies of the world and then joining the autocrats of the world and every single time in history that this happens it ends in a war every single time and this is the most you know i don't like all this kind of nationalism talk but maga does that's un-american or you know we're real americans and you're fake american but this is and americans understand this kind of language this is the most
un-American thing. And for MAGA, who they like try to tell me, I was born in fucking Texas and live in Oklahoma. You're not a real American. I'm like, what am I? What am I, Chinese? But anyway, this is the most insane, insane realignment. And it's so wildly dangerous. And I feel like the people who are meeting this and reporting on it are now, and it pains me to say this, our former allies.
And within the country, it's like the press is like, oh um you know trump's approval rating is down a little bit and it's like trump just capitulated to putin hello if obama did this you guys would lose your minds but i just saw i'm reading your comments too i i love that they're so active someone said shut up uh
And this is what I think everybody else is reporting in the world. The other world leaders are reporting, but we're not reporting it. Some of your co-workers in 2017, Kevin McCarthy and then Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, said on a hot tape, Trump is on Putin's payroll. And then they made great effort to say, now this stays between us. We're family. We don't talk about this anywhere else.
Okay. Okay. Congressman Swalwell, thank you so much for taking your Sunday. And I just want our viewers to know it's important. This is a part of the resistance is us meeting, talking through these options, talking to the people that represent us. talking to the people that have clarity and don't live in Trump la la land. This is a part of it.
And so Congressman, I'm going to get with you about coming to OKC and we'll do a fired up.
The OKC Thunder, I'll take you to a game. And I mean, they are too good. They're going to be national champs this year. Listen, you live in California, you have mountains, you have the ocean.
have a handsome blue state governor that doesn't take away rights from people i live in the red state i need that basketball team all right i need it i get it all right okay all right bye congressman thank you everybody and we'll see you all later
Then you have the Mueller report. Then you have Donald Trump getting impeached for trying to bribe Zelensky. And I'm sure you voted to impeach him because that's the kind of American you are. And Then all the Mueller report, Russian, this war that they have waged against us, an information war, a psychological war, they are winning.
And I think it's important to point out to everybody that Russia is right now very weak and very compromised. Their military is depleted. Their economy is in a complete recession. And we just wave the white flag.
to Russia and these guys who are alpha males and bro podcasters just completely capitulated and castrated themselves to Russia, who is in the weakest international position it has been since the falling of the wall. I, I believe with everything in me, because I believe what, as we've watched the breadcrumbs fall from 2016, that Donald Trump, is a Russian asset and he is compromised by Russia.
Kylie, put up this tweet yesterday on Twitter. Let's look at this. No, no, no, that's not the one. with Elon Musk. Here we go. Yesterday on Twitter, somebody named Gunter Eagleman tweets, it's time to leave NATO and the UN. Elon Musk retweets with comment, I agree.
I believe that our allies believe that he is. I believe that his behavior thinks it is, but don't listen to me. We can listen to Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan from 2016.
Right. Vanity Fair put out an article and they interviewed a lot of people close to Elon Musk in Silicon Valley. And basically, a lot of people who know Elon very well said that Elon's goal now that he has completely gamed American taxpayers to become the world's richest man and he is a welfare queen. You call him a king. I call him a queen. No disrespect to Queens, obviously.
But his goal is to be the emperor of the world. And so here we have this, I've seen him speak a lot lately. He seems very incompetent. It seems like he is down a K-hole all the time. For listeners, what you don't know, that's like a ketamine hole. We saw him tripping balls in the rotunda. His kids wiping boogers on the Resolute desk. He's running around with his little bro outfits.
He's hanging out with some 19-year-old kid named Big Balls.
He is a ketamine. But we have this situation where we have... It appears to me like... Elon is Trump's full time nanny because I've never seen Trump so emasculated by somebody than with Elon. And I feel like there is this larger thing going on where you have Putin and Musk. And again, it's so important that the American public understand
how weak russia is right now like putin should have been the one ganged up on in the oval i mean they are so incredibly weak if if russian military is so strong this war would be over and putin would be in keep but it's not that strong because their economy's crap right now the military's weak but then you have this elon musk who comes in pays 270 million dollars because of stupid supreme court and citizens united and
Ron Filipkowski says, and there it is, Putin's lifelong dream after years of relentless Russian propaganda now fully embraced by the American president and the world's richest oligarch. And I want to add to Ron's
At this point, $270 million with all the flea market shit that Trump's selling on his websites, you know, all of his hats and Bibles. I mean, it's the biggest white trash Jerry Springer flea market the Oval Office has ever seen. $270 million. Trump would go, here's your $270 million bag. Go. But I think they have mutually assured destruction.
I think that there are so many secrets between Musk, Trump, and Putin. And then J.D. Vance is just the biggest pick-me eyeliner queen I've ever seen in my life. But I'm really terrified about this. And I feel like we're in a historical moment where bipartisanship is over. This is a moment where it is, we will not work with you all. You are dismantling the federal government.
You are doing illegal acts as enforced by the federal courts. And you have a man who wasn't elected firing Americans, sucking off the American public. And then you're giving over 80 years of peace building and millions of American lives lost in war to Vladimir Putin, who's in the weakest position imaginable.
I mean, what do you think Democrats should do moving forward with everything that I just said, which is incredibly problematic? And we're six weeks in. All right.
description of the world's richest oligarch and say american taxpayer-funded billionaire and that's the what what we need to start calling you know elon musk is he is an american funded taxpayer-funded billionaire um are convinced that this is a good plan because europe is an enemy and putin is our friend congressman he's a welfare king he is a welfare queen um this is
I don't think he is. I think that's all smoke and mirrors.
I want to ask you something that I think everybody's thinking. And let me make the case. So you have Trump wins. Elon Musk has a much bigger role than anyone anticipated and appears to be the boss of Trump. You have Trump appointing these crackheads to run the FBI, completely incompetent. You know, Kristi Noem, who dresses up in all these costumes all the time.
I mean, just like Hillary Clinton said, a basket of deplorables. She didn't go far enough. I mean, just bottom feeder cabinet. Everybody sees it. Everybody knows it. These guys are wholly disqualified and wholly dangerous. And then you have Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense, who is an untreated alcoholic and breathtakingly incompetent, starting to fire generals.
And just a little, everybody remembers that Trump, when he had his felony trial, he had somebody that printed out things that he could look at a picture book. een favoriete media over zichzelf, want ze moeten zijn schermtijd beperken. En als ik dit zeg, spreken we over de man, 77 miljoen Amerikanen, die bepaald worden voor president van de Verenigde Staten en hij moet zijn schermtijd beperken.
OkΓ©, volgende clip. Ze schreef verantwoordelijk aan Trump, je bent alles wat mij betreft. Ik wil je nooit meer laten gaan. En ik wil je geluk brengen. She wrote this to him. Okay, next step. According to Wolf, Harp's fixation was an open secret among Trump's staff who found it discomforting and the alleged aggressiveness of her attention.
The Secret Service, with her letters in their possessions, was now noting the strangeness of her behavior. Nonsense, declared Trump. She just loves her president. According to Wolf's account, Trump had an avuncular and flirtatious relationship with the attractive women who worked for him. wanneer de president wordt genoemd als Charlie's Angels.
Wolff schrijft dat Harp in de entourage was, samen met zijn leiders Alina Haba en Lindsey Halligan, die Trump bij de NCAA-wedstrijd in Oklahoma in 2023 hebben gejoind. Trump's subject of discourse at the NCAA event was which wrestlers the ladies found most attractive. Everyone seemed happy to play along, critiquing the various bodies, rating them as their type or not.
But Natalie couldn't be moved. Trump reportedly pressed her on the matter, trying to make her obvious point even more obvious to everyone listening... in with the disbelief and embarrassment of which Wolf claims that she only had eyes for Trump.
Wolf claims that as Harp alleged, quote, obsession with Trump and her lovestruck adulation became increasingly obvious, she also became increasingly integral to his operations. She contacted lawmakers on his behalf and became the keeper of the true social phone. She was wholly in charge of the Trump posts online.
Ik heb wat hottea over de gevangenis Donald Trump. En jullie mensen, Pumps houdt van politieke gesprek. En dus dedicaat ik deze aflevering aan u. En dit is een artikel die uit de Daily Beast komt. En ik wil de journalist Dan Lidenhall credit willen geven. En de hoofdstelling daarvan is Secret Service verkeerd door Trumps adorbare vrouwenbeleid.
In November, the senior staff of the Trump campaign released a statement saying they refused to respond to Wolff's inquiries, encouraging others to completely disregard whatever nonsense he eventually publishes. So, in summation, pimps. Trump heeft deze sycophant, van alle sycophanten, in zijn entourage, wat geen verrassing is. Ze is de enige die deze schilderijen maakt om hem te kijken.
Ze is waarschijnlijk de enige die hem recent voedde. Oh, ik heb een poll gevonden dat je approval rating is 71% van de luisteraars in de lage 40's en vervangt als we praten. Mijn verwachting is bij volgende week. Hij is in zijn derties, daar is geen vraag over, omdat de economie aan het tanken is. Maar ze kon zelfs niet participeren in het zeggen van welke wrestler ze dacht was hot.
En we gaan naar de psychologie van Trump, die ze wilde doen. Hij wilde horen over andere mannen en hun lichaams worden hot, wat we helemaal niet moeten analyseren.
Er was ook een kleine titel in dit artikel dat, en ik paraphraseer hier, dat wanneer hij naar Bedminster ging voor dit zomer, ze wilden haar proberen te afstanden, maar ze vond haar weg recht op naar het gasthuis en recht in het epicenter van al dit.
En ik denk gewoon dat het echt verblijvend is dat we hier zitten om te praten over een president van de Verenigde Staten, die een persoon moet hebben. Je moet veiligheid hebben, je moet aids hebben, je moet ondersteuners hebben. Hij is een persoon die met hem rond moet reizen om hem schilderijboeken te maken met een printer. Of positieve nieuws over zichzelf. Zodat ze hem kunnen houden in.
En hier is er iets anders op de hoogte. Je en ik dachten altijd dat de truth social posts... Waarom neemt niemand zijn telefoon? Waarom neemt niemand dat weg van hem? Het feit dat iemand anders die schrijft... En niemand spreekt iemand af van de leg en ze gaan er nog steeds uit met al die slechte mispunctueels, slechte Engels, misspellingen, ongeheerde ranten. Er is een verblijfsel in die.
Er is een verblijfsel in die. Dit is geen persoon in een solitaire verblijfsel en een telefoon die deze gekke statementen maakt.
Here's something we have to bear in mind. There is an appetite on the internet. As all of the people listening here have an appetite for counter-programming. voor feiten, voor de waarheid en voor een beetje teetje elke nu en dan om zichzelf te houden van, weet je, vallen van het diepe einde met al deze Trump-stuffen, toch?
OkΓ©, dus dit is een boek dat voor Michael Wolff komt. Ik ga jullie allemaal wat achtergrond geven en dan gaan we Pumps het opnemen. OkΓ©, de eerste die ik wil lezen, Kylie. De Secret Service is geconcerned geworden over een gewoonde vrouwelijke Trump-aide tot het punt waarin ze haar een potentieel gevaar voor zichzelf en de president beoordeelde volgens een rapport. Volgende.
Maar er is een appetite voor Trumps gekkigheid, de kruidheid, Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Greene en pro-Putin-propaganda, ten opzichte van tienden van miljoenen mensen. En ze zijn zo geweldig gedoctrineerd en ze denken dat deze man is de messiah ik bedoel het is zoals Ik denk dat deze mensen, het is zoals Jezus en Trump. Dat zijn mijn huidige jongens. Dat is wie ik hou van.
Ik hou van Jezus Christus en Donald Trump. En ze houden van al deze dingen. En dat is iets wat we moeten herinneren als dit voortgaat. Er is een groot deel van dit land dat dit houdt. En er is een reden waarom hij de Departement van Educatie wil sturen. Het is omdat hij het weet. En hij bracht over het poleren heel goed met de poorly educated. Ja. He says it. We do great with the poorly educated.
We love the poorly educated. Polling shows that the less educated you are, the more tendency you have to vote for Donald Trump. Now, I want to create a caveat here. I know that there are a lot of people that their families couldn't afford to go to college... en geweldig intelligent zijn. Ik weet dat het waar is.
Maar de reden waarom ze de Departement van Educatie willen veranderen, is omdat ze meer mensen in deze cult willen breeden. En deze vrouw, ik kan begrijpen waarom de Secret Service als een 9-1-1, want ik geloof met jou, dit is een bunnyboiler situatie.
Well, and Alina Habbo wants to be a star in her own right. Right. You know, she comes out to his rallies and to rap music and she tries to pump up the crowd. Like, she is thirsty. She's a thirst trap person. The quiet ones like this, that are, you know, I can understand why the Secret Service is like, we have a bunny boiler situation on our hands. This gal, they know, the Secret Service knows.
Why is this young, attractive blonde writing him these freaky En het is zo interessant, want Donald Trump heeft nooit een afstand van sycophants. Hij zal hem onder de bus zetten, hij zal een nieuwe krijgen.
I just thought it was some good tea.
Suzie Wiles has failed miserably. Failed. Because when your boss is the clown. Right. I think that was a declarative statement destined for failure, that she was going to keep the clown car. She has no control. She had Elon Musk in there with his toddler wiping boogers on the Resolute Desk, which I read this morning.
The Resolute Desk has been picked up from the Oval Office and taken to be refinished.
Yes. So anyway, that's a little... I know that there's a lot more nefarious, horrible things going on. But our dear pumps, the star of our show, loves, loves some MAGA gossip. And so this episode was for you so that we could smile and laugh a little bit and analyze something outside of all that fuckery that's going on. All right. Make sure you subscribe to our channel and we will see you guys soon.
The New York Times reported in November that Harp, and this gal used to work for OANN, who was referred to by colleagues as the quote, human printer, because she followed Trump around with a portable printer to give him printouts of information to spare him for looking at screens. Pinned adoring letters to Trump in 2023 that unnerved people in his orbit.
This is why the Democrats lose. Because they're always chasing this elusive... Independent voter. And then after the election, these reports came out, the Democrats are too woke, blah, blah, blah. So they're trying to find this 10% of people that they want to govern for. 75 million people voted for Kamala Harris. Why don't you start speaking to them?
The entire world witnessed a complete realignment and that we have traitors in the White House. Traitors. And that's your response? Maar laten we kijken naar wat independent journalist Ken Klippenstein, hij had een heel eenvoudige tweet. Het eerste foto is de MAGA-ontvangst. Het foto is natuurlijk een mugshot van de vermoeide vijand-president. Hij kan terugkomen wanneer hij klaar is voor vrede.
Dat is over Zelensky. En dat is gewoon gaslijden. Dat is pro-Putin bullshit. Hier is de antwoord van de Democraat. Here's what Democrats did in February. And then they have all of these lists that you have to have a magnifying glass how to read it. Hey, Democrats. Hey, DNC. How about put, we oppose fascism as big as possible. How about Donald Trump is a traitor. We're all seeing it.
You're a part of the gaslighting and you're a part of the appeasement. That is complete capitulation. The fix is in. The reason that they are firing generals and that Elon Musk is dismantling the federal government is there won't be midterms. They're trying to reorganize everything so that they can cling on to power forever because that's what autocrats do. And when all of the autocrats
in de wereld vergelijken. Het leidt altijd naar oorlog. En dat is jouw antwoord? Ben je vergeten? Ik bedoel, we moeten serieus gaan. Zoals je weet, Pumps is in Vegas. Daarom ga ik solo. De star van onze show zal met mij terug zijn op maandag. Maar hier is een antwoord van John Bolton, die een totaal rechterzijde is, die in Trumps eerste administratie werkte. Hij is een oorlogs.
Laten we luisteren naar zijn antwoord op wat er gisteren in de Oval Office gebeurde.
Hij zegt dat Marco Rubio zich zou vertrekken. Dus tenminste, ik bedoel, dit is iemand met wie ik precies alles ontspreek, zonder het feit dat we beide vertrekken dat Amerika de leder van de vrije wereld moet zijn. En je hebt niet de Democraat op zich om Marco Rubio's verantwoordelijkheid te vragen.
Let's hear what Hakeem Jeffries had to say.
Iedereen in de Senaat die voor hem heeft gevraagd, zou nu de vliegtuigen van de vliegtuigen aanvallen en zeggen dat we onze stem vergeten hebben. Hij is duidelijk gecompromisseerd. Hij is een deel van een realignment met de akses van het evil en we gaan het niet toleren. We moeten hem in de buurt van deze commissie halen. En niets. Je zag de punchlist die ze opkwamen.
En ik wil je gewoon al dit herinneren. It's a myth that Russia is some superpower. Russia is dead ass broke. Russia's military is completely depleted. The only thing preventing Vladimir Putin from regaining any sort of power is the United States. So what he's done is he's waged psychological warfare on the United States.
He has a compromised person that he controls, that he walks on a leash, Donald Trump. J.D. Vance. Ze hebben een fulltime nanny in Elon Musk. En de fix is in. De fix is in. En de Democrats hebben moeten bewegen. Ze hebben moeten snel bewegen. Hakeem Jeffries werkt alsof er tien Democrats in de House zijn. Only ten. They have a very, very large minority. The Senate has a very, very large minority.
This is a 911. House is on fire. And if Hakeem Jeffries cannot go on the airwaves and call this what it is, replacing. This is a moment in history. We are living in a historical moment right now where the United States of America... Just moved away from the safest alliance the world has ever seen, which is NATO. And we are moving to align with all of the autocrats, with all of the dictators.
And every single time you study that, it always leads to war. Okay, next up we have Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham deed een bipartisan chitchat met Zelensky, Amy Klobuchar, senator Chris Coons. Dit is voor de Oval Office-ambushe. En hij is pro-Ukraine, yak yak, bla bla. Nou, ik denk dat Poetin of iemand dit zag en hem waarschijnlijk een schilderij gaf van Lindsey Graham die gay was met een D.C.
prostituut. En hier is wat Lindsey Graham deed na de Oval Office-nightmare.
Will somebody please, please release all of the gay evidence about Lindsey Graham. We all know it's there. We all know he's compromised. I am so sick of this. I know Americans are sick of this. He knows better. He says he doesn't want to do business with Zelensky, so you want to do business with Russia?
Je wilt een bedrijf met een liefde, een oorlogscriminal, een boodschap, een doodschap, een diktator. Ben je serieus, Lindsay? Je bent op commissies geweest. Je was vroeger beste vrienden met John McCain. Je weet beter. Maar duidelijk tussen het bipartisane gesprek in een kamer in de White House. En dan Lindsay's verblijvende uitzondering van sycophantie op Fox News, natuurlijk.
Iemand zei, vriend, blijf in de lijn. We houden van jou. We gaan de gay-stuffen uitleggen. Dus laten we het gewoon uitleggen. Ik weet dat iemand het ergens heeft, zodat we tenminste één kleine, minorene winst kunnen hebben. Maar terwijl dit allemaal gebeurt, hebben we deze tweet opgezet.
Defense secretary Pete Hegseth last week ordered US Cyber Command to stand down from all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions. You guys, Russia has been attacking us digitally for over a decade, maybe longer. And the Mueller report Proved this. Marco Rubio is one in 2017 that was whistleblowing that Russia tried to hack into the Florida voting machines.
And we've just waved the white flag. Donald Trump en J.D. Vance zeggen, bedankt, draag een suit. Denk je dat dat moeilijk is? Ja, misschien spraken ze geluidelijk. Misschien deden ze hun vingers op. Dat is niet kracht. Wat ze doen, is Poetin elke en enige ding geven die hij wil. Ze wagen de witte vlag.
En Poetin heeft een oorlog gewonnen tegen een land dat een grotere militaire heeft, de grootste economie die de wereld ooit heeft gezien. En dan moeten we ons vragen waarom. Russland heeft een economie, één twintigste de grootte van de Europese Unie. Waarom zijn we met zo'n zwaar kracht? Zijn militair is zo verplicht.
Ze hebben donkeren en wereldoorlog 2-stuffen op de voorspellingen en ze verliezen honderds van duizenden vrouwen in deze oorlog. Waarom zijn we met zo'n zwaar kracht? Waarom is Hegseth de witte flag? Waarom? Nou, ik denk dat we allemaal weten waarom. Omdat ze ons sinds 2016 vertellen.
Hillary Clinton vertelde ons in 2016, de Moller-rapport vertelde ons, hij wordt gecompromisseerd door Vladimir Poetin, de president van de Verenigde Staten. States is gecompromiseerd. Hij is een traΓ―t. Dit is verblijvend. En de democratische respons is pathetisch. Dit is een historische moment. En alle van jullie triple-Trumpers, je voten zullen er voor altijd zijn.
Maar diegenen die het land nu werken, diegenen die in de minoriteit zijn, en het is een zeer, zeer grote minoriteit in de House en Senate. Stand up, speak up. Expecting Donald Trump to be mature is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my entire life. And I feel dumber for having heard it. Using the word urge is like bringing a toothpick to a bringing a Q-tip to a sword fight.
So the Democrats need to straighten up. They need to strengthen up. They need to stand up. They need to organize. They need to start browbeating their sane Republican counterparts. They need to record these Republicans, because they say off the record all the time. Oh, that when they're not on camera, they're always bashing Trump, they're always bashing Putin.
Come on, get it, get the goods, let's go. This is serious, because the more time that goes on, the more the fix is going to be in. There will not be a midterm. There will not be one. Autocrats and dictators never win. ever seed power. And they might have a for show election like Putin does, but they'll have the books cooked. The fix is in unless the Democrats move rapidly. Start playing dirty.
Get the Democrats who you know have just a modicum of moral clarity to get on board and get these people impeached immediately. OkΓ©, jongens, ik weet dat het niet zo opwekkend is als het alleen mij is, maar bedankt voor het bijbrengen en ik zie jullie later.
maturity out of the trump administration and the democrats are going to urge are you kidding me they just completely realigned with the axis of evil and you guys are acting like they have some sort of super majority in the house you're talking about the slimmest majority And that's your response? That's the democratic response to kissing Putin's ass and berating our ally? Are you kidding me?
The prosecution seems to have leaned very heavily on the lay witness testimony from other people that were around, particularly Jennifer McCabe. I was thinking she was going to be one of their star witnesses.
I think that her cross-examination really started to pull apart her, I guess you could say narrative, her personality also, her character started to come into question in a lot of different ways.
His explanation about why he went to a military base to do that is not the most convenient way to go about anything unless you have business actually there. Now, you might look at that and go, that's so strange. Why would you go all the way out there for that? That's so weird.
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Oh, wow.
Yes, please.
Oh my gosh.
Universal healthcare now or free Luigi.
None of us have ever had 100% great experiences when it comes to insurance companies. There's just so many reasons that people have grievances with this.
No, I'm already there.
Hey, it's only $25. James, I'll blow you. I can suck you. James, I'll suck you.
How big's the hand?
It's like how many children are missing hands?
I was the fat one.
Yeah, I'm done. I'm ready.
I'm still ready for the scene.
It's called rat.
No Nazi role play.
I'm working on it. I'm dealing with it. This fantasy is happening in my mind live.
There's no place to escape to. This is the Lost Podcast. On the left. Side stories? That's when the cannibalism started.
But not until more of them have tasted the suffering that they have wrought upon those who have royally served me.
You know, I'd give my left foot if you could convince me that train ain't smiling.
I'll keep the ground. The ground's there. And you're going to tell me you're going to keep the ground for me? The man who keeps the ground? Almost set on fire.
For child pornography, yeah.
I'm not a pyromania. I just want to have sex with this baby. That's all.
Yeah, I wrote it. Yeah, I did it. But if all we're going to get him, I'll do it with a gun.
He said, quote, My master is fire. I am devoted to fire, and I despise people.
Oh, yeah.
And it's soda.
Yeah.
No.
Get down and cling to that rock.
We have no labels.
Hi. Who are all hanging out in heaven. This is my place.
You know Meat is Murder? It's one of the most exciting albums to ever be released. So incredibly exciting.
Whoa! You know what? It probably led them to that. It's like Joseph Smiths. I was in the record store one day, and I saw a band called the Smiths.
Fuck yeah.
Starts real loose. Yeah, it gets tighter as it goes on.
It's a great chicken. I'm loving this.
It's stage four.
Sorry, I fell asleep.
In this world, it did.
Okay.
Is that what happened to him?
That's how you know.
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Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
How you doing, damn?
Like, yes.
Yes.
Marcus!
Depends on which direction you face it.
Is that real?
I gotta go tell some fucking people!
I'm not going to live on Long Island if I'm going to get away with what's wrong with the Jews.
Do you need help?
On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. Who's that?
Ooh.
Okay.
I was the one who said, hey, Jim. Jim. You ever thought about singing about fucking your mother?
Like, I really don't do this to Mark Hamill.
Whoa!
What I did was prog music.
But I don't need to.
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You heard it here first. Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys. Awesome.
Yep. Race of the day, people.
The energy's got to be different.
The defense ratchets up as the game goes on, and it's almost like a hydraulic press is what I was thinking, or even like an anaconda choking you out because it's just constant, but it's just constant in that regard where it's like suddenly you start suffocating. And again, it's usually in the third quarter where it was an eight-point game at the half.
They sort of let go of the rope right at the end of it, like you said, a couple plays their task. So it got to eight for OKC. Then RJ's even on the call right to start the second half. He's like, they've got to toughen up. And they sort of did for a second. You had Gobert grabbing some offensive rebounds finally. Mini went on a little 7-0 run.
I guess it was a king. Oh, yeah.
But just as that third quarter went on, it was all that defense, all that suffocating, the hydraulic press pressuring down. And it was suddenly 93-71 at the end of the third quarter. Again, similar to Game 1, where they blew it open and held on enough. Now, some mini fight in the fourth. They could have rolled over and died. I think they got it to maybe 10 with, like, three minutes to go.
Well, maybe we get a little bit more. You're more intimate. Yeah, exactly. People were saying beanbag chairs is a possibility. Sure. I hate sitting in those, though. Especially with a computer. Too relaxed.
But then it was J-Dub, three. It was SGA slithering his way for a layup. And then it was Chet Holmgren scoring inside. So, like, they're three star players. A guy we haven't even mentioned yet who had a really good game.
Awesome. I at least like the fight from, from Minnie. And maybe, you know, part of that was, yeah, benching Randall and let's go guys here. Like let's take some momentum, if anything, try and unlock something back to Minnesota, but you think that'll work?
You talk about this idea about dropping off and having the guy shoot threes. One, I don't think he's stupid enough to do it. I think he sort of learned his lesson when he went for those home run kills in that series, that one game where he was trying to put Denver to bed with a three-point shot and couldn't hit them. So there's that. And then Mike Conley says the opposite.
He sort of called out his bigs, actually. He said, Shea's one of the best in the world to get to a spot rise up. Our bigs have got to be up. Our guards have to be ready to switch stuff and take away the middie. It's no longer one of those we'll settle for mid-range shot type series. You can't give it up to these guys. These guys make that shot.
we saw McDaniels get frustrated with SGA obviously late in the game straight pushed him to the floor with two hands now I like that I thought it was a good job by ESPN to show us what happened like leading up to the push and it was obviously SGA doing like the hook job and trying to get him and like nothing's called and so it continues and then hook happens again contact from McDaniels and he's like screw this and pushes him nothing happens I guess they called it a flagrant one on McDaniels he's a temper boy he is he's punched a wall once before broke his hand and he's getting lit up
Interesting.
So, of course, he's upset.
So do you believe Minnesota can still make this a series and get this to be a competitive series at that here? I mean, it's obviously they've got to win game three.
You didn't sleep on that flight back from New York City. No. I imagine there was a crying baby nonstop. And that was a loud crying baby. Yeah.
Nobody did here. That's right.
Well, Ash did. Oh, Ash did. I thought you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all thundering six.
Which is not going to happen.
Yeah.
Maybe. We'll see. On the weekend. Game three is obviously the series here. And they're going to need a huge... It's got to be a Nas Reed hitting five threes or a Dave Vincenzo hitting a bunch of threes.
the Thunder in this series yeah I thought even the crowd was treating it as such no shade to them because their team was just ass kicking and it was like wasn't it like sort of quiet like it just felt like a regular season game it was like oh yeah we've seen this a lot of times we barely lose at home it just sort of had that vibe to it because they were never really pushed
And they didn't need the crowd, is my point. The biggest pop was for SGA holding up the MVP trophy, which he did do.
Well, yeah. Go Baron Randall, I mean, in this series. I think Finch has got to get β maybe he won't in game three because you've got, you know, the series hasn't started yet. We got our first home game. Maybe you don't want to, like, react too much. I get that. But, like β
he's even trying things I mean he's trying zones and he's trying obviously he's benching Randall and he's trying to get these guys off the bench and did have a better performance in game two but you know when they beat them in the regular season they were missing Gobert they were missing Randall and it was like McDaniels at the four and Nas Reed now I think this would be easy to lean into that if Nas Reed was playing well it would be like oh yeah let's try it sorry Rudy we're going Nas we're going like smaller or whatever and try and run with them but like he's not playing well so you're less likely to even go to that but
I don't know. Maybe it gets drastic here. We did have SGA holding up the MVP trophy. We had Jalen Williams miked up for this. He was pumped. I mean, I would be too if I got a Rolex. That'd be nice. Nice of SGA to give him an old loop bag for being his teammate. But I just like this photo. It's like you rarely see SGA smile this much.
He was grinning from ear to ear holding that up in front of the crowd.
That's right. Good point. And what did he know? So that was cool. Chris Paul there in attendance. And obviously the press conference the day before. And we got quite emotional talking about his wife and all the people that supported him to get to this level. But I did like that he was like, you know, I'm glad we got the win, too.
I respect the hell out of you. You watch like just sort of all these random, not like crappy. I don't want to say that. But just like these sort of like movies I don't even know about on an airplane.
It makes this whole last couple days and the days moving forward more enjoyable. You get this trophy as the best player in the NBA this season. It's nice if you're also winning. It's a little different if it's like a 1-1 series and you play bad. And it's like, oh, crap. But not the case. So you can enjoy it even more.
Nice.
Custom. So we got embroidered initials for each guy on them or something? Maybe.
Never had a Canada? I'm not paying a jean.
It's just J-Dub and Chet in that other one. Yeah, I like that. Funny moment from this game. Lou Dort smacking Scott Foster in the face. Had that jump ball situation with Randall. I think Randall sort of kicked him even accidentally too, but Dort slapped Scott and he had the bloody nose. We had a big delay a game like a minute and a half into this game. And we brought Steve Javion to talk about it.
That was wild.
Yeah. I forget who he said. I don't know. It was a ref I didn't know. But he said, yeah, Steve Javis said, Scott will be razzed on this, and he can't take a punch.
What you got? I think I'd take Steve in that. Steve seems scary to me in a weird way. Scary Steve, yeah. I'm also like, I'm always like, we've watched a million ESPN broadcasts, playoff games, big games, and I always forget when Mike Breen suddenly goes, all right, let's go to Steve Javy in the replay. So I'm like, oh shit, Steve. He's just waiting. He's just like literally just waiting.
Ready to go, makeup on, suit on. Yeah. I hope they need me.
It always like surprises me. Like, oh yeah, he's ready to go. He's got the camera there.
Right. Three. How many games has he not been on is a good question. And he's just like, you get to picture Steve Javvy just sitting there. He's just sitting there.
He was waiting. Oh, you think Steve's, like, pressing a button, like, to the producer? I got something. I got something. Get me out of here. I want a Raz, Scott. I can't take a punch. I got a great story about a guy named Eric Humphrey or whatever the guy's name was.
He can't bully Caruso or Dort or even Hartenstein and then Chet's roaming. So it's like... He could, like, look, even Draymond Green. Props to him. I saw that clip. I didn't watch or listen to the whole podcast, but he said, Randall destroyed me.
Randall outplayed my ass in that series against the Warriors. Now, no Stefan and changes the dynamics and all that, but he was like, I got cooked. Yeah. And he's great. Draymond Green, obviously one of the better defenders, but he can't have his way with these guys. And just mainly the wolfpack mentality of them. Like you were saying, the ball goes on the ground. Yeah. Three guys on him.
Another random note I had here. Was it extra sunny in OKC over the last few days? Because Caruso had a wild farmer tan going. Did you see the back of his neck? It did not. His neck was so red. I was like, man, it must have been sunny over the last couple of days when he was outside walking around. This is the type of notes you're going to get from me here as this game gets out of hand.
And then my final note is that OKC PA announcer, They love that Super Mario Brothers sort of song. No, do-do-do-do-do-do. Oh, yeah.
They go to that one a lot. And they sort of incorporate it with their defense chant, the Super Mario Brothers. So, anyway. Any other notes you got?
Just, like, give it.
They sort of like do, yeah, it's like.
It's like they do the defense with the... Defense. Defense. That's how they sort of incorporate, but they go to it a lot. I like it. I'm just, I noticed it. Maybe just because we've watched a lot of OKC games. They're quite a lot, yeah. Anything else from this one?
I didn't even know if it was a boy or a girl.
I know he did. Which is better than Thunder Avalanche, which was said post-game. Yes. They did say that.
Or they said that. Who was it again? Who was on the sidelines last night? For ESPN. I don't even remember.
Thank you.
She called it a thunder avalanche, but you're right. Breen did the thunderbolt. Yeah. Not thunderstorm, which we have sort of been pushing. I think thunderbolt is good.
Yeah, they are that. I want to get your opinions and everybody here on the stream team and all the podcast listeners. your opinions to this comment that I saw on one of the athletic posts, because it's about the Thunder, because, I mean, I'm sure you guys have seen it. There is a lot of hate about this team. Now, there's a lot of hate in general, right, on the internet.
But, this person writes, named BA, probably not Brian Anderson, but... As a neutral, it's hard not to like the Thunder. They got a humble superstar who is a two-way player. They play great team offense. Everyone works on defense. They have incredible glue guys like Caruso and Dort. They have players who are good with a chance to ascend to greatness in Holmgren and J-Dub, Jalen Williams.
They're young and they're hungry and they're confident without being cocky. And they're a small market team. And then, you know, again, he just like sort of asked this to the rest of the chat, like, so why he he's like confused why they are so disliked. Just thought be interested to hear your opinion on that comment, whether you and whether you sort of agree with them again, make some good points.
Like, why aren't they almost like more championed? for a lot of their characteristics.
His captions.
Okay. What do you think about this? This idea of like, why are they crapped on so much? For again, like a lot of the things he went through here in this comment, it's like, oh yeah, this is sort of stuff we sort of want most of the time in a team. Yeah.
So when you're watching these games, you're watching on your laptop the entire time? Or are you, like, casting it to your television? Both. Okay. I'm not watching a game on my laptop when I have a giant TV that I want to watch on. This is... They make... What's wrong? They make laptops... I stare at this all day as it is for three hours when I want to watch a basketball game.
I don't want to stare at this as well. Well, you're staring at a screen. I know, but at least it's a bigger one on a wall. Yeah, anyway. Fun screen, work screen. Yeah.
But hey, I hear you about the no commercials because they only play four or five commercials as it is.
But it's nice. You're seeing all the games that they're playing in the arena and the crowd shots.
Well, that's really what it gets down to. I mean, if you're good, people are going to hate you is what we're getting at. They've won 78 games in the regular season and the playoffs combined now. 60 of them have been by double digits. That's tied for the most ever with a team that was β
beloved uh i say that sort of jokingly the 2016-17 warriors uh so they've tied them one more double digit win in this postseason will beat that team which is pretty amazing in terms of just like beatdowns uh in a lot of games i guess people hate the press conference the post game interviews that everyone's together too i don't know why they would hate that they do probably
That was a joke, I think.
Yeah, I think that was RJ being sarcastic. Okay. Weird joke.
I had higher hopes for these three. Breen, Doris, RJ.
i haven't been impressed that much you want jeff and mark back i just yeah it's i don't know it's a it's a little too vanilla still to me personally i thought there was going to be a little more a little more fun with uh rj in the mix don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got until it's gone sure nice sure paved paradise gave us doris burke and richard jefferson yeah yeah yeah maybe i'm alone maybe people are enjoying it
Let's hear from everybody out there. Do you agree with this comment? Are you one of these people that are like, or at least explain why you maybe dislike the Thunder? What's going on here? It's a lot. Anything else on the game or the series? We can talk some awards. Let's do awards. Yeah, I like it. We got a lot to get to here, actually.
Hawks guard Dyson Daniels, Thunder guard Lou Dort, and bigs Draymond Green, Evan Mobley, and Ahmed Thompson have been selected to the 2024-25 NBA All-Defensive First Team. Daniels, Dort, Thompson, first-timers. So congrats to them. All-Defensive Second Team consists of Blazers forward Tumani Kamara, Wolves center Rudy Gobert, Grizzlies forward Jaron Jackson Jr.,
OKC wing J-Dub Jalen Williams, and Clipper center Evita Zubats. Any takeaways from the all defensive teams here? TK, anything jump out to you?
Oh, no.
Yes, this is one where you have to do that. And there's the whole minutes played too. Because where did Caruso end up in games played?
He ran around up. And I remember there was that whole Hollinger article addressing that. That should probably be changed. Like, why can't you be a defensive specialist coming in? Chris Dunn as well.
Yeah, I get it. But it's so funny because, and again, Lou Dort, amazing. J-Dub, amazing. Most people would say Caruso's a better defender than both those guys because he is. He is. But obviously, that's like, they have all these riches, man. And then Cason Wallace is going to start making some of these teams in the future, I imagine. Or at least maybe, you know, a second team here or there.
He's got so many good... Hey, Shea's a pretty damn good defender for an MVP himself. But, you know, again, on this team, Chet Holmgren could make one of these maybe in the future. That's like, I'm up to like six guys here who are going to be like all NBA selections potentially. So, yeah. But Caruso fell short.
Yeah, yes.
Mobley received 99 of 100 first-team votes. He and Daniels were the only players to be named to all 100 ballots. And Draymond Green, we should point this out, nine total all-defensive team selections, tied for seventh most in NBA history, along with Hall of Famers Dennis Johnson, Michael Jordan, Jason Kidd, Hakeem Olajuwon, Gary Payton, future Hall of Famer Chris Paul.
That's the level Draymond's at with those nine all-defensive team selections here.
Yeah. We've said this before. It's oddly always more embarrassing for the person opening the door to the can, be it on an airplane or in the washroom, than it is the person in the stall. I don't know why, but it is.
All those steals. A deniably great season. That no one had sort of seen before in a very long time. Spectacular.
um is there any snubs that you were like should have deserved more love or you know surprised maybe didn't make the cut that had also minutes played enough i get like og and anobi is a pretty damn good defender i think he just he's the next up he's the next guy yeah he uh i guess gobert probably got in with that last spot over yeah but anyone else i'm missing Nobody I would add.
And, of course, Wemba Nyama, another guy that would have made it one defensive player of the year, but didn't play enough games after the injury. Well, earlier in the week, Spurs guard Stephen Castle was unanimously selected to the NBA All-Rookie First Team.
He received first-team votes on all 100 ballots, and joining Castle there, you got Grizzly center Zach Eadie and forward Jalen Wells, Hawks forward Zachary Risache, and wizard big man Alex Saar. All-rookie second team. Here you go, TK. Bulls forward, Matas Bouzelis. Wizards guard, Bub Carrington. Blazer center, Donovan Klingin. Pelican center, Yves Missy. And heat center, Khalil Ware.
So a bunch of big guys on that all-rookie second team.
No, I was going to say, is there a lot of scores on this one? I'm like, Bub can handle the ball. Yeah. Yeah, there's not a lot of scoring. You're right. There's a lot of defensive guys here.
Grizzlies are the first team to have multiple players on the NBA All-Rookie First Team in the same season since... The Memphis Grizzlies in 2019-20. Brandon Clark and John Morant. Yeah, so they got two there. Which, I mean, Jalen Wells making it was great. I mean, he obviously got injured at the end of the year. There is no requirement for games played when it comes to all rookie teams.
So that's unlike the other NBA awards. People were wondering, was it possible? Could it have opened the door for Sixers rookie Jared McCain to maybe make like second team all rookie? He averaged 15.3 points per game in 23 games. That's all he played. But then obviously had the meniscus tear in his left knee. He did receive one first-place vote, I think, and I think five second-place votes.
It's like a less than a trial flight. Okay, on today's show, we are going to do a little NBA Awards roundup. All defense, all rookie. We can look ahead to all NBA, which is announced here on Friday night ahead of Game 2 in New York City. And it's the end of the week. It's the drop. We'll do some rapid-fire fun. TK's got the questions. But first, let's get to the game from last night.
So some people were like, I don't care. I'll give him a vote. He played a quarter of the season, but he was arguably the best rookie in that quarter of the season, but ultimately didn't make the team, and that's okay. Yeah.
Yeah, and Bozellis is even big.
I'm going to set the line at four and a half total all-star appearances from those two all-rookie teams. Okay. I'd be way under.
Well, I'm thinking if Castle turns into a star, then you make a couple of them, and then maybe one of the other guys makes one or two. You thought four and a half was too high?
Well, we saw a lot of sailors. Saw a lot of sailors in New York City. Yeah. We never see that here in Atlanta. We're landlocked. We're landlocked. A bunch of people walking around dressed as sailors. Those are cool. Ahoy. That was weird. All right. All NBA teams will be announced tonight. I'll ask you in advance. I mean, we find out at 7 o'clock tonight the three teams.
Do you think or who will be the biggest snub from these three all-NBA team selections? See the future, TK. Tell me who the people will be like. How did so-and-so not make the all-NBA third team or second team?
That's a good pick if he doesn't crack that third All-NBA team.
The Oklahoma City Thunder took a 2-0 series lead in the Western Conference Finals. They beat the Wolves 118-103 at home. Fresh off his MVP win, Shea Gildress Alexander notched 38 points, his fifth straight playoff game scoring more than 30 points. So he was awesome. He got to the line. He had that middie drop in left and right. So did J-Dub.
Right. And I guess like it's possible like Siakam may not make one of these teams. Right. So, like, we could have a situation, like, let's say the Pacers win again tonight. We could have a situation where the Knicks have two All-NBA guys selected because Brunson's first team. First or second team, I guess. And then Cat's going to make one of those teams. And maybe the Pacers have zero.
That'll be a storyline, Tess. For sure. People are like, what? What the hell?
They voted months ago, I would hope.
I feel like one guy who was, like, on some people's ballots, not on others, was James Harden, too, in the season he had for the Clippers. I feel that'll be, like, an interesting one, whether he makes it. And, you know, if he does, people will be like, oh, wow, he had a great performance in the playoffs again. What the hell? But, yeah, maybe.
Maybe he sneaks in there because he did have a good regular season.
Well, it was Jokic and Bede, and then who's the third? It was like Bam or Rudy, Bam or Rudy. It sort of felt like that for a while.
This is the NBA.
So you like this better. Just name the 15 best players or put that on your ballot. I think so.
We'll find out tonight. 7 o'clock, I think, is when they're announcing that on TNT.
Okay, before we go, let's have some rapid fire fun. TK's got the questions, we've got the answers.
And it was like similar in a way to Game 1, sort of when they cranked it up there in the second half, put some distance between them and the Wolves, and then held on. But they just look dominant right now.
Because we've been in meetings for two straight days, and when we weren't in meetings, we were watching basketball and then doing a podcast from a bed. Yeah, New York City. Yeah, I wrote down Wednesday night.
Well, I wish Lee was here for this because I don't know if he remembers, but a few years ago we were working at Turner and we were about to have lunch, but then a meeting got called so Dennis could catch a flight home to Chicago early. And I was like, I'm not sure we can do that. Cause I was really hungry. So I decided like to go into the boardroom and I like, I snuck a hot dog in my sleeve.
Do you remember this? So I snuck a hot dog in my sleeve and I'm like trying to keep it secret. Like TK's looking at me though. So I had my head down and I'm nibbling away at it, but it backfired.
I was super tired. And suddenly like the, the hot dog came out of the bun and I started choking on it.
and like yeah everybody started like running over to help me and uh yeah basically i got a hot dog stuck in my throat and i'm like thrashing around like a wild animal and you got like jd's like don't don't break it it'll get stuck you know so uh eventually got it out but i puked all over i think it was your bag it was like your knapsack yeah yeah yeah threw that one out yeah so moral of the story is you can't skip lunch
So true. I wonder if Lee remembers. Probably not. Probably doesn't remember that.
You think they were fired because they choked on a hot dog? Yeah. At Turner Studios?
You left them in your gym bag.
These are for you. Nice.
I thought it was a snack mix with pretzels in it.
Not just pretzels.
I went sun chips.
You have to start, you gotta do a shot glass of Sun Chip dust. Because they're all broken up. I'm with you.
It's weird. I know they're called Sun Chips, but I never think of Sun Chips as chips. They say you want chips, and I think potato chips. And then they hand you Sun Chips.
Yeah, it's not a chip!
Like somebody came out wearing said clothes and you were supposed to like... No, no, no, no. And here's Stacy wearing Randy River jeans.
It was bad. But you were saying jokes about, like, professional wear and lingerie. Yeah, yeah.
Sometimes you just got to keep things simple, right? When I'm podcasting from a bed, I'm J.E. Sheets. And when I get a street named after me, I'm J.E. Streets.
Yeah, it was fine. It was different.
Yeah, there's the archer.
Great street wear on that one, JD.
No, we just got the photos. Never turned it into anything. We did the Mardi Gras vibe. Not Mardi Gras. We were like a band. Like boater hats.
You hated that one?
It's true.
Okay, so you're a garbage guy. I don't understand the question, then. Yeah.
Oh, that's what you're looking for. That's right. That's nice. Yeah. So what about, yeah, maybe even like a No Dunks Boulevard or something like that? Yeah.
I can't get a street.
It's funny you said that, though. Did you see they renamed one of the subway stations? No. At our old university, which used to be Ryerson, but now is the Toronto Metropolitan University, TMU. That Dundas station, they've literally just changed, I think, now to TMU station. Really? Yeah. I mean, it's probably easier for people to know, like, oh, that's the station to get off to go to TMU.
Sure, sure.
Yeah. Dundass.
Reset the modem.
I know. Oh, wow. Holy, that's smart, man. You were killing it on the plane, it sounds like.
close my lap my uh ipad so funny you said that i fell asleep when we first got on the plane so i missed this announcement i wake up whatever 20 30 feet 20 minutes in and i'm like oh i want to get some work done start working on the show let's get the wi-fi going but obviously it's not connecting but i think it's me right i'm like well what am i doing wrong okay it's not you know is it my computer or whatever i almost did the thing where i was like gonna like ding
Hey, what's going on with the Wi-Fi here? Is it me or is it you? I was looking around. I wasn't seeing a lot of laptops. I was like, it must be it. Cool story, bro. Cool story.
I've never beaten it.
Yeah, and then you can get screwed cuz it gets like caught, you know, it gets like Cornered in yeah that position of it.
It's a really stupid game when you think about it, but for some reason it just kills like five or ten minutes.
I went with the Raptors winning a championship in 2019. Obviously there since day one as a Raptors fan. Took a long time. A lot of money was spent. Tass and I have talked about it. You know, we had season tickets when they were probably at their worst and saw some bad basketball, but of course it all paid off in the end. And working for NBA TV for crying out loud when it happened was pretty cool.
Got to be in Toronto the night they won the championship. That was even cooler to party with my friends. So that was good delayed gratification. Great one. And who knows? Will I ever see another one in our lifetime for our Toronto Raptors? I hope so, but it's not guaranteed. Hmm.
I was going to say like a golf major or something. Is it maybe every couple of months or two? Four times a year? Yeah, four times a year. There you go. Majors, that's a good one. Four times a year.
That's difficult. It's hard, man. I mean, it's already tough just with your significant other sometimes. You're both in the same mood to watch it, blah, blah, blah. But now you have two other people.
Mobland, yes.
Rehearsal?
Okay, good, good. That's almost done. I think the finale's this Sunday, I think.
Oh, okay, you got a little bit. It's hard. You said you just finished Severance, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you got on the run right now?
Nurse midwives working in East End of London in the 50s.
Man, that's nice. There's a lot of TV shows. There's a show that's been on for 14 seasons that your wife is watching on the daily and I've never even heard of. Yep.
All right, well, speaking of Survivor, we are going to have our final No Buffs episode of the Survivor 48 season, at least. today at 1 p.m eastern on the no buffs youtube page obviously flip it into a podcast nor will be in here to talk about last night's finale and the after show and what we thought of the season overall and then maybe look ahead to season 49 of survivor we also could
I mean, we maybe could come back next week, I was just thinking. I don't know, I'm throwing this at you guys on the spot here, but they are announcing the Survivor 50 cast. Could be a podcast there if we wanted to maybe comment on it. But anyway, today, 1 p.m. Eastern, this is Friday, Survivor 48, episode 13, the finale recap.
breaking it down yeah i watched it at uh i watched it i started it at like 1 20 a.m on the wednesday night after we did the podcast after i went down and got a slice of pizza down the street saw jd and uh yeah it was stupid Because I was like, oh, man, I'm starting this, and I just know I'm not going to be able to turn it off once I get going here. No, I could fly through commercials.
That was good. So I could stay moving with some pace. But I went to sleep. Like you guys saw, I went to sleep at like 3 o'clock in the morning.
Thank God I had the pizza at that time.
No, I was impressed you guys avoided spoilers.
And myself, even. I guess I only had a couple hours to just stay off the internet as much as possible, but I had to get on, post the show. Mm-hmm. Cause it wasn't that amazing. And we're going to talk about it.
It'll be great. It wasn't like, Oh my God, what a move. I have to talk to Trey and JD.
Now, did I write, I wrote Nora cause she had watched it. I said, Hey, okay. What'd you think? Blah, blah, blah. So I had someone to bounce ideas off of. But anyway, We'll talk about it today. That's the drop for today, though. Thanks for joining us all week, whether it was from here in the Classic Factory or a king-size bed in a hotel room in New York City. Really appreciate it.
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There you go. You heard it here first.
If it's as good as game one, there'll be a podcast on Saturday. I'll tell you that. Whose bed? I mean, it doesn't really matter. I think we all have king-sized beds. Okay.
Oh, we're doing it late? Yeah, you're right. We do it after the game, yeah. That'd be interesting. My guest bedroom. I got Nora. I got the dog, usually.
We're bringing in some camera equipment, some microphone equipment. I have an idea what the hell is going on there. Anyway, keep an eye on the feed. Who knows if we have a podcast later tonight or tomorrow or if not. Music is back. Music died there because we went long enough. That was a rapid fire. Music fading out. I have opinions on it.
It is good.
I'm Team Delta, but come on, have your Wi-Fi going. It's 2025.
Brace the day, people.
Yeah, I think what we're getting at here is both things can be true. Did the Wolves play a better game two than game one? Yes. Yes, I agree with that. But are they completely outclassed still? So far, yeah. Also true. Like this is the issue now as it goes back to Minnesota. Yeah. Can they even win a game? I think is what you start looking at here.
Now, maybe some of these guys, the role players at home, all that, hit some of these threes. Though, like, McDaniels hit a couple corner threes to start this game. And you're right. Ant was aggressive. Like, he didn't even settle for, like, that little baseline jumper like that right at the start of the game. He's like, nope, pump fake. Got it to the rim. He was touching paint.
He was kicking it out at times. DiVincenzo hit one after they blitzed Ant. Just kicked it to him. He hit a three. Wow. Thanks for showing up. But, you know, all that to say they were still trailing at the end of the first quarter. And they can't stop
SGA and even J-Dub in this game I mean like they have no answer to stop this mid-range game if those guys are hitting that it's they sort of run beatable yeah and I don't I start to wonder like does Finch have to get really creative here for as bad as Nas Reid has played because he hasn't been able to hit a shot in this damn series Does he go to him? Does he start him for crying out loud?
Because Rudy is just left there. He doesn't come up far enough. He can't. So it's just these guys are comfortably stepping into just these mid-range jumpers time and time again, either at the top or on the baseline where SGA loves to cook. I don't know. And maybe it's put Ant on SGA. He's getting cooked every time he guards SGA.
Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast presented by Amazon Prime. It's Friday, May 23rd, 2025. This is The Drop. I'm Jay Skeets, back in the Classic Factory and alongside me, as always, Tass Mellis.
Yeah, and they've tried some zone. We saw that again last night. But man, OKC, maybe because they saw some reps against Denver and they feel more comfortable in it. They were doing the thing to beat the zone, right? It was Caruso in the inside of the middle of it. Hartenstein had his little floater going a few times that they tried to implement it.
So like nothing that they're throwing at the Thunder. They're like, OK, we're comfortable with that. We're going to be happy with our shot. And this is all to say they're up 2-0. What happens when they start hitting threes? There's going to be a game here where the Thunder actually hit threes. They were garbage again. They can't hit threes the entire postseason.
They were like the fifth or sixth best three-point shooting team during the regular season when they won 68 games. They have not even played their best, which is insane to say to me. That's going to happen one of these games. A couple of those guys would be unleashed and those are going to start dropping. Then we're going to have a 30-40 point blowout here.
Either in this series or in the finals in a game or two.
Next to him, it's the bearded one, my top shot hot boy, Trey Kirby. And over yonder, making the magic happen, super producer, JD. Hello. There he is. Here we are. Hit the like button and subscribe if you missed the bed podcast. Podcast listeners, hit your boys with a five-star ratings and review. Yeah, a lot of people saying maybe we should bring in a queen-size bed here into the Classic Factory.
It feels like you have to play a perfect game. Somebody who wasn't perfect last night after a great first half in Game 1 was Julius Randle, TK, who maybe had, well, he had easily his worst game of this postseason.
Maybe his worst game ever in the playoffs, and we had talked about a lot of those pretty brutal performances when he was with the Knicks in a few playoff games, but this was very bad, and he got benched, like you said, in the fourth quarter. Deservedly so, because he had nothing going. He couldn't even score inside in this game.
I heard Brian Windhorst compare the Thunder's defense when they start to go to the next level, usually in the third quarter. He compared it to the Kraken because of all their tentacles. Because there's guys everywhere slapping away, deflecting, and then they're off and running. I like that, but I was watching the game thinking...
Guys, happy Mother's Day. Here are my top five best mothers of all time. In at number five has got to be old mother Hubbard. Look, I would have liked to have placed her higher, but she spent far too much time in the cupboard. Neglectful, to be honest with you. In at number four has got to be the Scottish mum who interrupted those two girls singing Cher Lloyd, I think by Cher Lloyd.
Look, she does get a little stick, but at the end of the day, she was just trying to find out which one of them had a shit, and at the end of the day, it was fucking one of them. At number three has got to be the actor Martin Lawrence in the films Big Mama's House 1, 2, and 3. I was going to put my own mum in this slot, but I just think in terms of who's done more for cinema...
06.50.
It's got to be Big Mama's House. Two is Mother Nature. I think we can all agree on the pros here. The smell of rain in the summer, the miracle of life, you know, the sight of a sunset. The cons would be stinging nettles. So for that reason, it doesn't take the top spot. And finally, in number one, she's taken a lot of jokes over the years, but always taking it like a trooper. Yes, it's your mum.
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Ampak je bilo isto, ne vem, jaz sem to baterijsko vrtalko kupil pred, se pravi, kako pa vem, ene Ε‘estimi leti. Ja. 40 evrov z baterijo, spomnilcem, vrtalka, vse ΕΎivo, ne? Ja.
Kaj ΕΎele, da bi jim teleprinter trak pokazal? To Δe jaz ne vem, kako se ga... Naluknen trak je tako, paΔ si ga dal noter in je potem pisal. Lahko si ga, ne vem, shranil. Kako si pa potem to bral? MaΕ‘ina je brala. MaΕ‘ina je brala, pa tipkala ti je. Ti si dal noter, pa si v bistvu plej stisnul, pa je on letel s tistim trakom Δez in ti je... O, dober.
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da za svojo surovo zunanjostjo, da skrivajo svojo mehko notranjost, ker so se sicer motili. Par zaphodu pa je v bistvu noter nek otroΔaj. Po zaphodu je velik otroΔaj. Sam paΔ oklep je velik, pa glave so ta dve. Zdaj je samo ena. Ena je tiltna.
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Tretji poglavi je imelo 30 strani in smo ga obdelvali 10 epizod. Zato bo Δetvrti poglavi, ki ima samo dve strani, nekoliko manj epizod ali pa veΔ, vse ne vemo. NeΔe moramo obljubiti. NeΔe moramo obljubiti, zato, ker moramo se drΕΎati nekak.
ΕΎel naΕ‘ih posluΕ‘alcev in posluΕ‘alcev, ki zmero bolj povejo, da nas posluΕ‘ajo ne zaradi Δeste knjige. Ali se samo to mi upamo, da nas posluΕ‘ajo, ne? Da nas, ne, zaradi tega, ker ne. Ne, ne, ne, to je potem. Ja, ja, ne bomo kopali, ne bomo obrskali. Pusmo. Obstoja, veΕ‘. Tako je, kdo sem, kje sem. Vse to, pa to ni.
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Koliko Δasa? Koliko minut imamo zdaj mi tega, da... Zdaj fukneΕ‘ na pa... FukneΕ‘ na sluΕ‘alke pa posluΕ‘aΕ‘. Tako. In potem pa probam. Na Ε‘ihtu. Od nule grem. Upam, da Ε‘efi tega niso sliΕ‘ali. Ne, pa zobra, se posluΕ‘am, pa delam se. To lahko. 114 tura. 114 tura, okej.
Pa dobro, to Ε‘e en mesec Δihtanje. To je Ε‘trnest delovnih dni. To je tri tedne. Ma ne bom te Ε‘e ni izjiv. Ni izjiv. Ne, lahko pa za tiste, ki nas posluΕ‘ate prvi, Δe imamo izjiv vseh dvesto, ne vem kolik in dvejset do konca leta. Ja, lepa, lepa, lepa.
Vpozorilo, v prvi je zvok malo slabΕ‘i. Vsebina pa je ful boljΕ‘a. Mislim, ne, ful je veΔje Ε‘toprcev. Δust Δisto odvisen, kaj je tvoj nivo primerjanja, kaj je boljΕ‘ pa slabΕ‘i zvok. A ne, mislim, a veΕ‘, meni je to krpeni gleda, ne. Mislim, ne. A veΕ‘, mislim, pa tako kvalitetni vsebini ne moΕΎeΕ‘ gledati na zvok. Hahahaha.
Ti moraΕ‘ v bistvu evalverati to glede na informacije, ki si jih dobil, ki so res. Zlata vredna. Vprosti, diamanti. Diamanti. BruΕ‘eni in nebruΕ‘eni. Tako. Eni so res za pobrusiti. Fejsti.
To vse je, ker splik so zelo odsebni. Samo po mojem gliku to ne hoti brze zanalizirati. Ja, ne, pusti. Ne, tako bomo spet Ε‘li kaj, kar ne hoΔemo imeti. Δe so te nebruΕ‘eni, ne, pol, a veΕ‘, pol, to pomeni, da posluΕ‘alstvo ima rado tudi nebruΕ‘enje, ne.
Ja, seveda, vsak si da svoj kontekst zdrava. Mi imamo, tako kot se mi zdi, da je naΕ‘e posluΕ‘alstvo na enem viΕ‘jem nivoju. Ja, ena zljubi. pa se nasmejim posluΕ‘alstvom. Ja, saj jaz tudi. In je v bistvu, mi damo v bistvu to kost, ne kost za glodanje, mi v bistvu uvrΕΎamo plastelin, s kjer ga lahko pa oni oblikujejo.
veΔje stvari oziroma krasne stvari, ne? Ja, seveda. Mi vrΕΎemo blok, iz katerega potem posluΕ‘alc naredi tega Davida. A veΕ‘, ne? Ali pa vogonsko ladjo.
Ful laΕΎi, ko so bile tako pravokodne, vsaj v filmu. Zavune zaΔetnik ekiparje. A veΕ‘, Δe si zaΔetnik, ne samo par linij vkleΕ‘eΕ‘, pa imaΕ‘ vogonsko lade. Mi nimamo teh sledilcev, ki bi naΕ‘e besede dobesedno jemale.
Mi smo sustainable, kako se temu reΔe. Tako dober je to. Zeleni prehod. Δasovni stroj bi rabil za unga. Sam zar tega bi rabil? Δasovni stroj, boΕ‘ Ε‘el po Parkside, boΕ‘ Ε‘el v maΕ‘ino. Tako je. Sam Parkside. To rabiΕ‘. Δe Ε‘varcnega rupu rabi, valjda, da je dober pil.
Δeprav, pizda, lahko bi. To bi bilo za podkaz. Te posluΕ‘alce si ΕΎelimo pa v drugmu podkaz. Ne, veΕ‘, kaj sem Ε‘e sedelo. Ker imeli smo idealno Ε‘anso, predvsem v ogorΔenem bobu, v prejΕ‘njih knjigi, da startamo religijo vsemogorΔnega boba, a veΕ‘, pa niΔ.
Tako da, mislim, je pa res, da smo imeli tudi ΕΎe, kako smo rekli, 2800 nekih nekih nekih dobrih idej, ali pa vsaj nem dobrih. Tako da, ne, kaj pa je se. Mislim, ja, teisto kar se tega semogoΔnega Boba tiΔe, mislim, da
bi predsparili jih ene par. Laj, pa ne dogaljiva je njegova volja, stari se tukaj ni moraΕ‘ kaj kregati. Sam Ε‘e malo naplest moraΕ‘ okolj. Kaj bomo delali naslednji podcast po unika, kaj bomo delali...
Pol na pol. Pa pa luni treh, kaj smo rekli, bi imel podcast o vsem mogoΔnem Bobu. Mi bi bili Stari Bargi 1, Stari Bargi 2, pa Stari Bargi 3. Δli se dober. Se pravi, ne vem, Δe bi bili Stari Bargi. Bargo, ne? Bargi. Sej Bargi smo ga popularno kvalificovali. Ja, Bargi je Bargi.
Zdaj pa je ΕΎe ura za poΔin obiΔalnika. Se nisem rekel. Kaj pa, knjiga? Kaj pa, se nisem obvedel v Δetvrti knjigi, samo obdelal. Pol ure imem, stari. A Ε‘Δit smo potegneli? Δakaj, no, dejmo, dejmo. Ne, mislim, da... A to smo ΕΎe vpreΕ‘nji naredili. Ε Δit smo vpreΕ‘nji naredili. Se pravi, vse pa ni niΔ pametnega.
Mislim, Δak da odprem knjigo.
Δe zaΔnemo na Δetrti, je Artur gledal, kako ne zelo. Ne Ε‘e, alo. Opa, zakvarnik. Planetarne katastrofe niso niΔ posebnega. Ta bi je bila v redu. To sem si zacahnul. To je res. Najprej je uvod v planetarni katastrofe, da pa se to dogaja. Uvod ima Ε‘e. Poma pa eno vodnikovo pombo, ki je za preskoΔat. Δeprav meni bi bila simpatiΔna.
ResniΔen si Ε‘ov je. To je zabavno. Sem vem, da se je pisalo, da je 90-a naprej. Ne, konc 2000-ih. Takrat je bilo, Big Brother je bil krmoΔen. Samo veΕ‘, 2000-ga se je Big Brother zaΔel, ali konc prejΕ‘njega tisoΔ leta, ta survival, pa Big Brother so bilo mene sedaj tam okoli?
Potem je bil cel kres, tako da je bilo to po tem prvem valu razliΔnostih Ε‘ovov. Δeprav sem z AnΔ posluΕ‘al eno epizodo, ko je ΕΎe bil 90% visible o teh razliΔnostih Ε‘ovih in so rekli, da je bil prvi zares candid camera.
A res je, kaj? Ja, kaj oni imajo prav resniΔno, mislim, paΔ sami so bili krajΕ‘i vseki, ne samo oni hitam na plahtavu. Ε e prej je pa tam, ne, en drug model delal radijsko verzo tega, ne, radijski, kaj, prejnki, prejnki. Ja, ampak prav poskrivuje mikrofone, tako da je bil v resniΔnost, je Ε‘el ΕΎe, Ε‘e kar ni bilo televizije v resnici. Ja, da. Mislim, seveda. Ten najhojΕ‘i v resniΔnost ni Ε‘el je rato v CNN-om, ne.
Tja pa Ε‘e traja. In Ε‘e traja, ja. No, ampak te pa ta.
sem ta ni toliko zabavan. Ja, paΔ isto spet, ja, ni zabavan, sej ni noben zabavan, Δe si kakΕ‘en ga gledal. Ma ne, tamat CNN-o ima malo veΔ kolateralne Ε‘kode breglo. Mi se to hoΔemo, ja, paΔ tukaj ajde, tisti, Δe ne gledaΕ‘, gledaΕ‘ v redu, kakr kar bo, kdo bo Ε‘el naprej, tudi vse. Ja, ja, ja, sam je pa, zasnova je pa ista, ne, mislim, reΕΎija ti pokaΕΎe tist, kar ti hoΔe pokazati, ne, favorite zberaΕ‘ na podlagi tistga, kar ti pokaΕΎajo, ne, in... Ja, ok, smiΕ‘.
Ja, da smo tle, ne? Tle pa smo, ne? Tko, ki je poslednji, bi ga motel. Ja, ja, ja. Da smo tle. No.
V redu. Ko se je pa zgodil s to behemotko, niΔ hud. Mislim, zmrzno so. Ja, zmrzno so. PaΔ ni lih rato. Rato je v bistvu, sam. DΕΎok pa ni rato. DΕΎok pa ni rato, ja. ResniΔno je bil zelo odspeΕ‘en. So vsi gledali to? Ne, sam. A veΕ‘, pokaΕΎe pa, ja. Δim je v bistvu...
Ε vart je uporabljen. On je obraz Parkside-a. MoΔan kot Arnold. Zdaj bi v roh nizu ΕΎe malo plaΔo, mislim. Mislim, da mogoΔe zaradi tega je. Amo probali klejati. Grable vrΕ‘t. Δe pa hovorijo, da ne, pa mogoΔe nizu. Mislim, da se je po resnici. Se je mogoΔe hovoril, spohaj ne vejo, da mi jih tako
Ne, pol stvari postanejo nezanimive. Ne glede na koliΔino nasilja ali kakorkoli, ne glede na to, da je paΔ ta modka uniΔvala planete. Dva ufaktore, ali kukor k temu reΔemo? Ja, tako je. Se ta mja Ε‘oka se v bistvu dviga in samo vpraΕ‘anje je, dokam zdrΕΎimo, dokam to lahko eskalira. Po je pa dolg Δas. Ε tir bi uniΔila kvaΕΎ, da je gledal naprej. Se ta petga tudi. Se bo vse napravil.
Ja, tako je. In v ΕΎasniΔnem ΕΎivljenju ni neΔe, ki je dost drugaΔna ΕΎalost. V bistvu se... To gledamo za tega, da se mi poΔutimo bolj, kako se oni imajo. To je ta fora. Kako misliΕ‘, kako se oni imajo? Recimo, ne vem, v baru, kaj se ti poΔutiΕ‘ recimo bolj pametnega od njih, ali le kva kratini delajo. Jaz pa tega nikoli ne bi. Ali pa nekje, ki so tako, ne vem, ne.
PoΔutiΕ‘ se, da je. Ne pa takole. Ali pa v srvarju se poΔutiΕ‘ Kasparinuke. Vsak ima neko svojo agendo. Neki nabirajo sledivce, neki hoΔejo dobiti nagrado. Dnar, slava, opaznost. Studiji hoΔejo imeti pa sam TV-odaje brez scenaristov.
Ja, pa je, da je bilo zaradi senilistiΔnih Ε‘trajkov, da so prvi ljudje, pa sej, sej, ne. Mislim, sej, ne, ni treba plaΔati. Redaktor je rabiΕ‘ kasprot, pa Δe reΔe temu, da Jure bo Ε‘el iz bara, ali on bo Ε‘el, ne, ali veΕ‘, malih prepravΕ‘ kandidata, ne. Mislim, stroΕ‘ki posnet eno zadevo, ne, je drago.
Ne, pa moraΕ‘ igralce najeti. Pa igralci so cene. Tako? Igralce tukaj ne plaΔeΕ‘ jih niΔ, oziroma samo tam, da ΕΎivijo. Te Big Bang Theory ali Franci so milijonem po zodo. Kaj, daΕ‘ pa 50 milijonov, pa sami priletimo.
Δe daΕ‘ za Ameriko, Δe jim daΕ‘ milijonje, a veΕ‘, to je en friend na eno epizodo. Imeli smo pa zadnje tri sezone tokih. Kar veliko milijonov. A smo zniΕΎili stroΕ‘ke? A si jim morali zdelati kajΕ‘en denar? Bomo, juhu! Pa folk Ε‘e vse en gleda. Kamere imaΕ‘? Sam Ε‘e nagradno igro damo, pa kliΔte za unga, pa pleΔljivo linijo. Je pa se boΕ‘, kaj da friend se snima. Pa Ε‘e denar not prahaja.
Nar praha ite kot v gloΕ‘evalcu, pa pa Ε‘e tako, ka lahko. Dajte za njega gled glasovat, ka bo on zmagal. A lahko naredijo tudi Big Brother majΔke, isto. Ja, seveda. Mamo vse, mamo Ε‘alce, mamo vse. A ste jedla sir? MajΔke, pa ne te neumnosti. Vse imamo. To je to. To je to. Ja, no, in tako je bilo. No, pustimo.
Popaj Arto den gleda, kako planet omera in tukaj poΔinje obiΕ‘anje, ker smo ΕΎe ful dolgi mislili. Tako nam moramo ΕΎeti. NajlepΕ‘a hvala, ker ste nas posluΕ‘ali Δisto do konca epizode, v kateri smo ΕΎe natiΔ ugotovili, koliko je ta naΕ‘ planet zjeban.
Ja, ne, in oni vagoni ga skozi hoΔejo v knjigi stoΔiti, pa ne, zarez pa ne pridajo. Ja, razen Δe smo na zemljiΕ‘Δi virka dva. Simulacija. A, spet.
Enkrat moraΕ‘ ne reΔi, tako pa bodo posluΕ‘alci, a veΕ‘, ko boΕ‘ ΕΎe vedel, zdi boΕ‘ zdaj rekel simulacija, a ti pa ne. Kaj pa Δe oni zdaj ΕΎe... Alternativna zemlja. Ne. Kaj pa Δe zdaj levogoni se glih postavljajo. Ja, mogoΔe smo v pozicijo. Ja, Δe je Δetrtek, mogoΔe.
A misliΕ‘, da bi oni na pondelk? Ja, sej, Δe je bilo podpil. Δe je bilo poΕ‘templan, pa po uverjen. Ja, Δe en reku, lej, v pondelk mora biti, ne? Ja, bi pa tudi v pondelk naredil. Δe je uverjen, pa podpisan. Pa koliki gore vsi tko. A misliΕ‘, da imajo oni tudi v pondelke? Pa en kurac v pondelko.
Da smo tako feni. Ne treba samo povedati, mogoΔe Ε‘e nismo povedali. To je res, ja. A veΕ‘, to je res. Samo, kukor se mi notevamo stvari, a veΕ‘, dela spina, no. Dela spina. Ne, ne povedati, ne povedati. Dela spina imajo odliΔna oΔala. Podite v dela spino. Mi Ε‘e nismo Ε‘li.
Kje? Vagoni Jelc ΕΎivi za pundelj. Zdaj mu je najboljΕ‘. Njegov cel ΕΎivljenje je pundelj. No, pride, v naslednjih pogavih se bomo pogovarjali o tem.
Ne vem, Δe ΕΎe v tem ali ΕΎe ne v naslednjem. Pustimo se presenetiti. Moram pa eno stvar reΔi. Δe imate iste teΕΎave in neuΕ‘eΔnosti, kot mi s Ε‘esto knjigo, zvoΔna verde je ful boΕΎa.
A res? Ja. Lepo je, ni tale Uhunla, ki je bil prej, Steven Fry, ampak ta narejter je tudi mojster. Vse glasove avtore, posebej Forda, posebej Zaphod je ful zabavan. Bolj kot v knjigi. Tako da, a, v redu. Dobro, cool. Bomo dal link na Uhun. MogoΔe nam Ε‘e zaΔne naΕ‘ega podkesta posluΕ‘ati iz nule. MogoΔe to najprej.
Ja, bom vas poruΔil naslednji temen. Zdaj mi tis mi je zraven. Tis mi je tudi zraven, tako da rad imaΕ‘ biti kaj v ΕΎalni. Sam se ne spomnim. Unka bo vseh 200 posluΕ‘al do dnevnega leta in se tudi ne uspomni. To je res. Razen Δe me en un 100% spomin.
O, Madonna. Samo enkrat se mora zaΔeti izpodriva ta spomin. Samo on, ki bo imel 100% spomin, kar smo mi ene te iste stvari poveli. Ne hoditi na Discord, lepo prosim. Vsi ostali pa prite na Discord, povejte nam to na dopisnicah ali pa na drΕΎavnih obreΕΎjih, lahko kjerkoli. Bomo veseli. Δeprav na drΕΎavnih obreΕΎjih.
Veseli, veseli. Mi smo ful veseli. Ne bomo pa odzvali. Ne, bomo se tudi odzvali. V pondelkih se odzivamo. V pondelkih, ja. Ne veseli. Skratka, z vami smo bili in Aljo, Peli in Zi. In Δe ti je ta podcast vΕ‘eΔ, ga lahko deliΕ‘, oceniΕ‘ ali podpreΕ‘. Hvala za vse ribe. Pikasi.
Aha, sredna, sredna. Ja, ja, ja. Hvala. Hvala. Δau. Ja, se tudi. A itek, da veΕ‘, da simulacijo malo zmeniΕ‘. Δe pravi odvreden, to ΕΎe je prednotar, pizda. A veΕ‘, a je to notar? To je ΕΎe vse v raΔunah. To je, mislim, pa itek, sam pomoja, a veΕ‘, mislim, mi smo itek k AI-ja, veΕ‘, paΔ pospostijate notar, pa laufi po svoje, ne. Si pa umejen z...
Z kletko ali kakΕ‘no Ε‘ok te gre. Z gabariti. Sej tudi, Δe ni simulacija ven z tej zemlji, na tej zemlji paΔ si, ne? Ja, itak. Razen on, ki gre na rob vesolje, pa nazaj, tako, zanje.
Ne vem, vse so te. Baumgartner. Nek senzanΔen sem prebral, a smo mogoΔe mi notri v Δrni lukni. A da smo ΕΎe notri? Ja, da smo ΕΎe notri, mislim, da smo tam. Ne vem, kako bi pa preΕΎiveli, ko verjetno ne bomo tam.
Saj smo pa bliΕΎji. Kako misliΕ‘, tako geografsko ali? Ne, bliΕΎji smo pri Lidlu. To pa ja. Mislim, te bomo ΕΎe vse zmenili. Ne, jaz imam do Lidla 1,2 km, do Delaspine imam pa 4.
Δeprav razumem se, ona sama vas je pa tako nekaj, da paΔ vse not posrka tudi, ne, tudi svetlobo, da naΔeloma ne moraΕ‘ biti v Δrni lukni. Ampak sem pravil nek Ε‘lank, no, sem pa nisem razumel, pa nisem razumel. Tako da mogoΔe drugiΔ, no. Bomo priΕ‘ali tam unek, kaj bojaΔ vejo, tam temna stvar nunaj, ne. Aha! MogoΔe bo vse povezano. Samo po mojej ne moramo biti, no. Mislim, se mi zdi tako, z mojim znanjem fizike, da verjetno ne moramo biti. Bomo pa priΕ‘ali, no.
Bomo postavljali vpraΕ‘anje. Duni pa MaruΕ‘i. Zdaj Ε‘tartata sezona, tako da pajte posluΕ‘ati te mostrane lune. Tako je, pajte, pajte, fajn je. TemveΔ bi bila gravitacija nekako ful moΔna. V Δrni lukni. Notar itak ne veΕ‘, kako je. Ona toliko vleΔe, da notar je vse v redu.
Se pravim, zelo sem povrΕ‘no prebral, ker pol nisem razumel. Kje pa pol Pluton? Ali pa, ne vem. Ja, ne, da je to vse notra, da naΕ‘a galaksija je notra, ta fora. Se pravim, zelo sem diagonalno bral, ampak, ja. Upam, da ni bil kakΕ‘en science fiction, pa sem mogoΔe naravi bral. Spomnim se. To je to, kar ne more niΔ pobegati. Singulariti pa to pa ΕΎe vse je.
Da bo enakost. Kaj to pomeni? To je to, kar imamo, stari. Dunja MaruΕ‘a, pomagi! Pa Ε‘e verjam, jaz sem zaΔel vrt, da se tako veΕ‘ iz skvorene, da bo kakΕ‘en zanimljav forat. Da zaΔneΕ‘ vrt, pa ne. Doste. Da je en Facebook post. Kaj je to razloΕΎeno.
Tukaj pa jaz. Tukaj pa jaz. Uva, sem vam povedal, da bomo tukaj v srednjih bilovnih. Ne. Ne. Srednja pola. Srednja pola. Srednja pola. Srednja pola. Srednja pola. Srednja pola. Srednja pola. Srednja pola.
Zdaj te bo pa en lahko izpojto. HovΔi, hovΔi. Ε e eno toΔko moram izneti, pa me lahko trigonometrije. Samo tkaj, a veΕ‘, je Ε‘ihta. Ja, sicer pri tokle lidlih, ki jih pa je v Ljubljane, pa te Ε‘kola ideΕ‘. Δeprav Lidlo je manj, ki hovΔijo. Popularno hovΔijo. On je ΕΎe domaΔ. Δeprav Mojata ima napravlj kofer. Kofer je lepa. Ne vem zakaj, ampak on je napravlj kofer.
Je pa fan. On je tudi fan, tako kot ti. Na Aldi unovatno. Ne, ne, ne. ZanΔ je bila nekaj videla v reklamu. Zakaj piΕ‘e Aldi, Δe je hofer znak? Je Δisto medelj. Kaj je pa to? To pa ni prav. Prebranding jo je. To pa ni prav. Kaj je hofer, pizde? Ja, sej. Δe piΕ‘e, pizde. Mislim, Δe je Aldi. Kaj Ε‘e na Aldi? To je NemΔi, pa pa razloΕΎitne zgodbe.
Aldi soup, Aldi nort. VeΕ‘, to kvemo, kaj da bi bili pijarovci njihovi. To je grozen. Aldi slajΕ‘, kofr. Vse poΕ‘ljamo. Ε e gospoda, spokoj s prsa napoznamo. Tudi to bomo
To pa pa ni veΔ tako drago. Δe je v akciji. Vsak Δetvrtek. Kaj ΕΎe, kaj imajo na dom ali kvaΕΎi. Kaj ti pripeljajo na dom? Ja, kaj imajo v skladiΕ‘Δu, kaj imajo tako, ne. Aha, kaj samo pri blagajni se pofoΔkaΕ‘, pa poveΕ‘ v kabinet. Ali pa na neto kupiΕ‘ ali pa. Kaj ti pripeljajo pa, ne. Ali ni tako malo nekaj te stvari. Te veΔje stvari, te veΔje.
Kje ga? Δvarcija? Kdaj se ga poznam? Za kofar. Mislim, ni Spokesperson paΔ. Stasin glas, ali kako bi rekel. Sej, pa zdaj tega ΕΎe dolgo ni bilo. Sej, en je Ε‘e zmer, kar sem videl. Zadnjo glas sem videl, je bil Ε‘e zmer njegov.
A res? Mislim. Res pa, da nisem videl. Ε½e dolgo glasam. Mnogo menil gor, da so tam Ε‘e ene tri enorci, ki so skozi to goferili. Pa sem zaΔel, sem ga videl. Je, to vidiΕ‘. Ne, Ε‘e bil je, ne? Tako se nisem spomnil. Ε e bil je, ne? Evo. Sej, je, meni. VeΕ‘, Δe nis pazljiv, takoj zajabljaΕ‘, ne? Ja, ne.
Mislim, ga je zamudil. Zgodba mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja. Zgodbo mojega ΕΎivljenja.
Kaj, Δe psemirajeΕ‘ knjige drΕΎave? Glede na to, da nismo na sreΔanju anonimnih alkoholikov, ki smo Δisto odkriti. Ta anonimnost je Ε‘e kar zoprna.
Ne vem, Δe kaj, vse pomaga, razumem, pred sotim leti, kaj bosti ima veliko veΔja, pa pjanci je veliko hujΕ‘i. Ne, a veΕ‘. Δe pravim, po moje tudi zdajΕ‘njih dnev, zdaj je pizda, da naΕ‘o generacijo pjancov ne ΕΎda. Mislim, to pa je.
Ne, ne, ne. Mislim, da se vsi trudijo. Δlovek se potrud po svojih najboljΕ‘ih boΔeh v tisto, kar je dobro. In jaz priznam, da sem bil res dober pijanci. Se je se trudil. To pa ni zbil dober. V svojih okverih sem bil Δisto dober. Se si videl v predgovoru tvoji knjigi. Ja, tako. Ne, ne zdaj kledaj. Ne zdaj kledaj, ne bijat.
VΕ‘eΔ mi je bil predgovor v knjigi zato, ker zdaj imam ideje o Δem pisati. Prej sem ugotovil, da nimam ideje veΔ o Δem pisati. Ε torije, pjanske Ε‘torije, kako je bilo luΕ‘en, so brezvezne, Δe je samo to. Spoh, Δe veΕ‘, da se jih polno spomniΕ‘. Oziroma za najboljΕ‘e je poskrbel kolektivni spomin. Tako bi mogel reΔi. To zmeri skrbi.
Ja, edin problem imam enkrat, ker ni kolektivnega spominanja. E, to je pa polne. Ker sem se zbudil nekje na viΔu, pa Ε‘e nekaj sem bil pizda, tisto ni bilo godno. Ampak vsi ima to za drugo epizodo. Ne, vse se mi pokriti. Teaser. Kaj? Kva? Avizo ali kva? Ja, mogoΔe bolje.
Ja. Osma minuta je, osma minuta. Osma minuta, pizda, danes smo pa hitri. Ja, vse to. A tako? Kaj, a gremo nazaj? Ne, samo ena poletna uΕΎga ali pa bo. Ha? Poletna? Ja. A je toliko toplo bilo? Ne. Ne, vse Δez dan se kar naredi, ne? Ja, ja, pa sej Ε‘e zmer, sej Ε‘e zmer smo v indijansko poletje pa to. Ε e zmer smo v septembru, to da luΕ‘an je. Nismo veΔ. Zadnji dan septembra je danes, ko to posluΕ‘ate, Δe posluΕ‘ate to v realnem Δasu. Tako. Δej. ZnaΔ, dejmo...
Zdravo, Ε‘toparke in Ε‘topari. Super inteligentni odtenki, modre barve in ostala hupi druΕ‘Δina. Δe bi si vi radi nadel kakΕ‘no novo ime, ali pa Δe se poΔutite kakorkoli drugaΔ od vseh teh. Od zgorej na Ε‘tetih? Od zgorej na Ε‘tetih, ja. Ali pa od prej na Ε‘tetih, da bom...
merno lahko podpiramo vas. Pa poΕ‘ljte. Tako, kako se danes poΔutite. Dejte nam na Discord, tam smo najbolj aktivnije. Δeprav tudi tam nekaj dost. Nam javite, kako se
Te pazene, pa paviljone, pa ne vem kaj Ε‘e, pa televizija, pa to, zanima se. Zanimivo je, da isto, mislim, po podobnem kljuΔu, kukor se, ne vem, Nutella drΕΎi, pa kava, pa vse stvari v hoferju, se tudi te, veΕ‘, paviljoni zanovrti, pa to, ne. En let sem ga Ε‘e hote kupati, kaj bi bil tako, ne vem.
Prejmo so razmerno z pupiko. V podek zjutraj poΔutite. Ja, ja, ja. Gde se Ε‘vo. Absolutno. Gde se Ε‘vo. Ja. Gde se v podek zjutraj vidiΕ‘. V podek zjutraj nisem super intelegeten. Kaj je bila vruna z Ebanci, kako greΕ‘ v sluΕΎbo, na silo. Ne, ne, kako prideΕ‘, kje spukam. Ja, ja.
ResniΔno. A kaj nek smo v tom fazonu, kako bi ΕΎe vΔasih rekel. Ja, ja, Ε‘e kar dober so zadel. Zjeben sem. Veliko skrbi, da to ni samo poddelka. Ta poddelka se ΕΎe malo vleΔe.
What a week pa to, ne? What a week. Ja, se bodimo v sredo. Jaz ga imam v pondeljka. Ε e dobro, da je, Δe to posluΕ‘ate v pondeljku, da to je prvi in zadnji pondeljko v tem tednu, tako da to je dobra novica. Aha, ja, no, bili smo pa kje. To je podkaz o ΕΎivljenju v vesolju in sploh o tem. In mogoΔe vΔasih o Ε‘esti knjigi iz serije Ε toparski vodnik po GXI.
Ne vzlic s teboj smo pa mi Ε‘e vedno. Ne vzlic je rekel. Ja, greΕ‘. Ne vzlic. Ker se mi zdi tako zanimivo, ki je bilo to napisano, pa sem rekel, tole pa moramo uporabiti. Ne vzlic je dal noter. Sam pisal. Lepa, lepa. To bo zihar razburkal zim. Ne, ne mi je vΕ‘eΔ, mi je ne vzlic. Zdaj, ker sem rekel, to pa moram prebrati, ker Δe ne bi probal zim, potem pa tole pa. To bo gre pa iz scenarija. Δe kdo Ε‘teje, kaj gre iz scenarija, pa kaj ne.
Δe imamo kakΕ‘nega. A scenarij? Ne, scenarij imamo. Samo dobro skrivamo. Tako je, Δe kdo Ε‘ta je. Jaz mislim, da zaradi tega ljudje posluΕ‘ajo. Ker imamo scenarij, pa ga dobro skrivamo. Ker smo res tako strukturirani. Tako je. To se vidi. Najbolj nebiΕ‘ki podkast. OrdungiΕ‘, to v tem smislu. Nismo mi neki jugo podkast. Zastava podkast. Strukturirano delujemo naprej. Ali jo.
Peli. Inzi. Tukaj, vidiΕ‘, evo, a smo priΕ‘li strukturirano nazaj, lej. Noro. VidiΕ‘, in to je bilo res dobro. In to je bilo vse v scenariju, vi ne verjame. Ne, to je bilo improv zdaj, to moraΕ‘ pa povedati, no, visno, halo, kaj ne bo pa luΕ‘en. Δe je bilo dobro. Mislim, da ljudje je ful del, da Ε‘e to improv zraven napiΕ‘emo. Ne, tega ne napiΕ‘emo, to se zgodi, ne. Seveda to se. Scenarij je bil.
Δakaj, kaj je Ε‘e ena fora, da pri Imbrutu se moraΕ‘ nekaj spreΕ‘vat ali nekaj? Samo to. Je odvisen, kaj Ε‘e ne imaΕ‘. Nisem hotel. Pravati je tako, da ti recimo publika sugerira kva. To ja, da ti dajo nekaj, nekaj, nekaj, samo potem ti reΔeΕ‘ Ε‘e eno vpraΕ‘anje. Ja, oni dajo paΔ x faktor, odvisen kako je, Δisto odvisno od impro lige. PaΔ lahko dajo, lahko dajo, kaj Ε‘e ne je scena, lahko dajo...
V Teslo je opredelal.
Ja, ja, ja. Samo potem, ko so te improvizatorji, imajo pa potem Ε‘e nek trigger, da se Ε‘alaΕΎi oni. Samo se ne spomnim, kako tisto je. Lahko imajo tudi to, da reΔe, na koncu, zdaj bodo najprej si JoΕΎe, ki je kmet iz Velke planine, potem pa, ko mi zatulamo David, si pa David kupi frut iz Betelgeze. Vmes se pa dogaja na, ne vem,
nekaj 100 EUR, zdaj pa ΕΎe nekaj 1 EUR. Skor 1 EUR je bil, zdaj pa ΕΎe veΔ kot 1 EUR. Ja, ne, recimo, ali pa, ne vem, jaz sem onaj Parkside urodje pri ta drugem sosedu. Sploh ni res tako ne slaba reΔ, no, mislim za to, kako kar nek povpreΔen uporabnik rab, ne.
na sirovi farmi. Na velki. Na velki. Da je marano. MogoΔe moram kakΕ‘nega importa bolj vpraΕ‘ati, zahar bo bolj vedel. Ja, ker jaz ne vem, Ε‘e zmeraj se ne spomnim. Vredne pa izraze. Ah, fraze miΕ‘eΕ‘. Neka fraza je, ki se uporablja. Ampak se vidi, da niti enkrat nisem bil na nobeni import predstavi. Sam sliΕ‘al sem.
Jaz sem bil, ampak se ne spomnim. Ja, mislim, da bi bil. Δe dajo ti nek krej, ti dajo neko druga. Za umest imaΕ‘ neko frazo, ki si jo igravci lahko podajajo, da malo razburka. Ampak sem pozabil. Δe veste to frazo ... Dajte na Discord povedati. Matadon smo jim pa ΕΎe dalj delali.
PrejΕ‘nji teden se moram upraviΔiti za nevΕ‘eΔnosti. PrejΕ‘nji teden smo imeli nevΕ‘eΔnosti. Vse so opazili. Miha, upraviΔujemo se za vse nevΕ‘eΔnosti. To je res, ja. Pozabil sem na to. Ε krat se je prekradil. Se zgodi, ne? Ne, ta Spotify ima zmer veΔ tih, a veΕ‘, next, next, next, next, ne?
Uj, je dober. In potem je bil publish. AriuΕ‘ur, AriuΕ‘ur. Sem ΕΎe trikrat povedal, da bi rad publishal. Ja, lej, Δe si ziher, da bi publishal. AriuΕ‘ur. Kaj gre naprej, gre naprej, a veΕ‘, kaj bolj ne moreΕ‘ nazaj. Sej smo sami. Mojem te za jedrsko tam ne manjkrat vpraΕ‘ati, Δe si ziher, mislim, da nekaj tako lepo. Sam poΕ‘el. Ja, preveΔ, preveΔ. Ja, lahko lahko. Te ima itek Ε‘e na disketah, tako da. Hm?
To je Ε‘e vse na disketah. A, jedrske? Ja, ja. Baje mora to. Baje je Ε‘e vse to. NajbrΕΎ niso mogli glihke blazma nekje upgradeati. Ne, ne, ne. To je Ε‘e vse na oldschool. Na unita stare diskete. Baje. Kjer je une? Ja, pet in vejst. O, ne.
Ja, ne vem, nekaj sem pravil, da zakaj se ne bojijo, da bi kdo zhekal, ker ne morejo, ker to ni naΔ povedal. Kamben ne zna veΔ. Δe kamen, a ti sketa crke lahko na 25 stopih? Ne, se ne vem, kako je ΔistoΔno, ampak tam je vse zelo stara tehnologija, pa itekmo vse pokliΔejo pa to. Mislim, da je Ε‘e zmeraj vse tako. PokliΔe, pa pa kljuΔi pa te stvari, no.
Jaz sem kupil disketar z AnΔo. Disketar si kupil? Ali si disketar kupil? Nekaj deset epizod nazaj, ne let. Nekaj epizod nazaj smo se pogovarjali o enem scenariju, ki so ga znakjev napisali za vse TV serije z 90-ih. Se spomnite? Ok, jaja. Najdel sem diskete v klet.
In sem rekel, Madonna, Δe pa ni tukaj ta scenarij, da dokaΕΎem svetu in planetu. In imam ga. In je tam malo kupil Ε‘e eno arhajΔo zadevo CD player pa writer. Potem sem pa rekel, neΔe bom pogledal na Amazonu, koliko je disketer. Disketer je Ε‘e, ali postaja? Ja, 15 evrov. Potem sem ga nabavil, je bil v akciji. Tako je bil moj, ni naΔni tam, samo nekaj diplomske od enih ljudi.
No, seveda. Glede na cikliΔnost vseh stvari na svetu, na sploΕ‘no in v naravi in povsod, so verjetno spet navrstne. Saj, ko prej bojo. Kot kaΕΎeΕ‘, so se zauzeli, da bojo. Sploh pa glede na Ε‘tevilko, ki jo vladujejo, je velika verjetnost.
A, a. Ja, je, je, je, je, je, je, je. Ja, je, je, je, je, je.
Ampak ja, mogoΔe tudi. Ja, lej, samo tako je bilo okrutal, kolikor se sliΕ‘i, paΔ naΕΎalost je bilo tako. Ne, ne, zadnje sem pa gledal v bistvu en dokumentarc o kibernetskem vojskovanju. Dobro. In mislim, je bil hkrati zanimiv in gruzljiv.
In ja, to mislim, zdaj v bistvu so take groΕΎne predvsej verjetne. Mislim, da si velik teh, recimo zdaj ima Kitajska, Iran, to imajo ene najmoΔnejΕ‘ih kibernetskih vojsk. Stari pa Severna Koreja. Tudi, ja.
Middle. Ja, pri teh cenah sem kar zadovoljen, da toliko malo sliΕ‘am. Ja, ker to vidiΕ‘. Δe se jeΕ‘ spravil, ne? Ne, paΔ lahko razvijeΕ‘ do konca, oziroma do tega, da nimaΕ‘ veΔ. Ali pa da v peljimem jeziku povedem, kako je z kitarom, stari? No, pa ferΕ‘ pa. Ja, lej, stari. Pa nisi na 200 jurih, stari. Mislim, lahko si. Δe bi hotel imeti sobo, v kateri bi igral kitare,
NajhujΕ‘i je bil tam predstavljen paΔ nek virus, ki so ga v bistvu naredili po vse verjednosti ameriΔani skupaj z izraelci, ki so ga naloΕΎili. A je to za tele centrifuge? Ja. Tragetele so iranske centrifuge za jedrsko oroΕΎje. Virus se je reΕ‘iril po vseh raΔunalnikih po svetu in paΔ ni naΔ naredil, Δe ni najdu neΔesa odzadej. Δe ni najdu te centrifuge. Najprej je iskol neke Simenseve kontrolnike.
Tako je. In Δe je najdel Simensov kontrolnik, je iskel naprej. Δe je najdel Ε‘e iransko upremo odzadej, zatem kontrolnikom je vedel, da je priΕ‘el do centrifuge in potem se je tam naloΕΎil.
In paΔ na balkonu so se noΕΎi sproΕΎili in so ga vr, vr, vr, vr in paΔ samo on je umrl. Mislim, v bistvu raketa, ki ima na gornu noΕΎe, nima eksploziva. Jaz noΔem, nisem hotel pogledati, sam Ε‘tebem je razlagal. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni, ni, ni. Ni,
In ko je spravil doke, je Δisto targetirana, je spustil je lahko skozi okno, balkon, bla bla bla. Tudi noter bi lahko. Ja, paΔ, ona se je zagon vate, ima pa paΔ sproΕΎil se noΕΎi ven, Ε‘lnk, ne vem, ko pol metra in paΔ. Te je se zekla. Salamoreznica, zraΔna v bistvu. Tako, tako. Blender po. Ja, ja, ja, la la, la la, will it blend, ja, moment.
It will. Ε½e fiska dela, paΔ g, kako ΕΎe temu pravimo. Sej imamo ta moment, kako se druΕΎi ga pobiti. Mamo kar dobro za kodira. Popa bodi predsednik ene take organizacije.
Δe se potem kupiΕ‘ jahto za milijon, to je 220 tisoΔ evrov DDV, ne? Ja.
In to gre nazaj, to se vrne. In to je ne vem kako, 200 ljudi, ki so tam zaposleni, dobijo plaΔo? Ja, seveda. To gre noter, to je vse za naΕ‘e dobro, to gre za ceste, za vse. Ja, seveda, za zdravstvo, za vse gre to. RazliΔno, Δe ima doberga tega raΔunovodja, ki pa to skrije in gre na kajmanje.
Ja, pa ni jahte pri nas kupo, ampak jo je nek drugi. Ja, vseeno. Tam v unem santru pa jo, ki se jahte kupuje. Ne, pravzaprav ni zazemce, ki tudi dela jahte. Ne, to. Mislim paΔ, lej. Vse ΕΎivo. Mislim. Se je tudi ta je takaj bil, ki je ta leneΕΎka dela jahte. Ta je v Otrstu, kaj je ΕΎe, ki je tudi znan.
Da bi Ε‘li lahko na Madeiro. Kaj na Madeiro? Ne, da gremo zno na Madeiro, svojo ladjo. Δe najdemo kaj, da raztegnemo naΕ‘ ΕΎivljenjski cikl, verjetno bomo imeli z njegovo jahto. Ja, najbrΕΎ resne. Prav. Razen Δe nas Elon Musk kupi za ne vem kakΕ‘en maljarΕΎen mljev. A naΕ‘ podcast? Ja.
Zato, ker tako lepo govorimo o njem. Seveda. Ilon je car. Ne, sejo on je ful za svobodo govora, tako da je po mojem, da je to to. A veΕ‘, Δe ga pluvamo, da pa nam do dna. Ja, da vsega nam pluvamo, vse se samo ne pogovarja o njem. Ne, jaz se tako. Sem ΕΎe z njim robo naredil, ko sem nekaj mi. Pogledam, kaj smo? Ja, nekaj smo bili. A smo bili ΕΎe do konca introz, prav. Ja, ja, smo bili. PrejΕ‘nji epizod Ε‘e nismo imeli.
In spet le. Δe jaz na poglavo je desetiΔ, ali ne vem koliki, Δe to je zdaj ΕΎe velika. Kdo je ta model? Najprej moramo Ε‘e postaviti sceno. Grebolonski, Ε½arki, vse bliΕΎajo. Artur Ε vica na polno.
Tako in drugaΔe. On pa gleda ven Δez vnoΔ. Ja, on ful spremlja to situacijo v bistvu. Nekaj ga je res zanimalo, resnici. To, da boΕ‘ uspet, mislim, da je imminent death spet tle pred dnem, ne? Tako ja, tam je pa debata. Zdaj je oΔe, veΕ‘, mislim, nekaj zdaj v bistvu. To je, valjda, to ga jebe, ne? Ja, valjda, ja.
ToΔno to je bilo v prvi knjigi. A je bilo v prvi knjigi? Ne, v drugi je bil. V drugi je bil. V prvi zahran. V prvi ni bil, v drugi je bil. On prijel v drugi. Zdaj, skoraj 99,9.
S tem se zaΔne ta pogovor, da najprej Gatrilin hoΔe prepiΔati, da bi ti nas malo samo vzel, ker paΔ, ne, svet sem prvi. A je ne, je liΕ‘a razlaga o tem, zakaj je on. Ja, to je dober, da je Ε‘e zviΕΎen naprej. Tukaj gremo lih zar tega, ker paΔ ne, ne smrtno lih, ker pa tudi zapot mu pol, ne. Ja, pol se vse skup zgodi. Kasneje ponudi tudi ta moment, ne.
Ni mu Δisto vseeno, ker so zemljo skurali, pa je imel on Ε‘e enkrat. Ne veΕ‘, Δe imel, ampak... MeΔkan mu je hudo, ampak po svoje pa tudi. Moje malo vseeno. MeΔkan, ja. MeΔkan mu je vseeno, ja. Ja, pa Δe bi bil brvak s tem nekim v bruz, da ga hoΔe obitelj. Ja, pa Ε‘e v bistvu njega je prek vrste vzel. V bistvu s tega, ki je bil lepaΔ izkoristil jih preloΕΎnost, kar ΕΎelih tukino.
Ja, on je na zbi, bi mogel prijeti res na konc. OveΔenih po obcednem redu ΕΎal ali di. Pa spet se je izkazal, da ne glede, da tudi neki grdga poΔneΕ‘, ne lahko slavanje rataΕ‘. Da on je ratal slavanje in so ga potem, ki je prΕ‘el na ... To je Δist ...
Sej ti pravim, te spominja res, mislim, so ga Δakali na planetu ΕΎe po abecednem redu, ta je bila meni tako vΕ‘eΔno, da veΕ‘, ker je res, kako je to podoben vse. In da jih je poloΕΎalo.
In moj meΔken mu je ubil to njegovo vnemo poΕΎaljenje. Ja, ne moreΕ‘, ker on po mojem malo, paΔ mu je fajn, da jih malo preseneti, da on pride zdaj, da je pa mu aha. A veΕ‘, pa da si uΕΎaljen, ne? Ja, tako. Ne, da prideΕ‘ kaj, a me lahko ΕΎalaΕ‘. Da si vesev, a veΕ‘, to je tako, ker... Ja, to ne gre pi, da. Ne moreΕ‘ biti vesev, uΕΎaljen, misliΕ‘, da te nekdo uΕΎal.
Ja, ne krene. Malo mu vzamajo veselje. Veselje dodela so mu zelo. In zato je v bistvu, on si prv ΕΎelil smrti. Ja, to pa je. In je zagrabil za tist, ki mu je rekel, da ga bo zapot, da ga bo obol. Da ga bo obol, ja, toΔno. Sej, posle se bo zaΔelo pogovarjati, kako. In zapot, ne vem...
In tukaj nekako priduje skup, da mogoΔe jih bo podpelo kamne. Ne, v bistvu to, kaj ga je zadeva, zaΔela zanimati, da je Ladi naroΔil na iΕ‘Δit potegne Ε‘e Δez belo srce. Tako. In potem se je bel ΕΎar s prasketom raztegnil prekline in smrtni ΕΎarek jih je neΕ‘kodljivo priΕ‘el. In potem je bil poΔinil boΕ‘alnik.
Aha, analiza pa. Hvala, da to treba. Ja, kaj, pa reΔemo hvala za vse, ki ste drΕΎali z nami do konca tretjega poglavja in do konca naΕ‘ega danaΕ‘njega podkesta. Tako je. Δe bi nam rad povedal, kako ste veseli, ko smo konΔali s tretjim poglavjem, lahko to nastavite na dopisnicah ali na diskordu, na druΕΎavnih obreΕΎjih pa sam poΕΎelji.
Z vami smo bili Aljo Peli Inzi. In, Δe ti je ta podcast vΕ‘eΔ, ga lahko deliΕ‘ in oceniΕ‘ ali podpreΕ‘. Hvala za vse ribe, pikazi. Hvala lepa. Predelga pauza. Ne, super je bilo. Pa ful sem vesel, da je raΔunalnik zdrΕΎal.
To se zna zgoditi. Potem nas pa Brian ima in pa bomo Ε‘li. No, mislim, da Brian ima tudi cene, tudi navadne. Navadne, ki nimajo to sobcev. Sigurno. Kitariste. Z njim pomeni. Zahar. Ε½e je po mojem, da si svoj sound studio narediΕ‘, ne vem Δe 200, ampak
OdliΔen. Naljen. Sem res pizdel, knjige res ne debetiramo da ospetim. Vse smo zdaj fulno. NaΕ‘i kor fejli ne bodo zadovoljni. Sam on, ko zapko doziv, odprav. Pa itek ne posluΕ‘am veΔ. Ε½e v druge knjige, kdaj bi on tudi. Ne, prvi. Ne vemo, ne veΕ‘, Δisto na zaΔetku. Fak, to je bilo toliko ΕΎe nazaj, da kaj je kurva. Pa spomnil se, kaj je bilo vΔeraj.
Sam Δloveka bi prav rad spoznal. Res si true fan, se po eni strani moraΕ‘ zaΔestitati. Ne, no, mislim, pol si fan, pa nekaj skoraj ne razumeΕ‘. Nekaj stvari pa paΔ ne. Nisem si Ε‘e lahko fan, samo si Ε‘e idiot, drago. To je pa zmerlo. To je pa zmerlo.
Pa pa, a veΕ‘, greΕ‘, aha, zdaj pa jaz tukaj kabel zamiljam za on, ta zlat kabel. Te so to hudi. Pa bo drugaΔ. Mislim, koliko boΕ‘ boljΕ‘. Vse to, ki je tisto, kar Ε‘e sliΕ‘eΕ‘, ne, itak, mi smo ΕΎe malo stari, pa Ε‘e malo slabo sliΕ‘imo. Z mojim tini tu so mi kar vse eno. Tudi te frekvence, ki so, ne. Pa ti z razmeroma veliko sliΕ‘eΕ‘. Ja, v resnici kot dost, ampak
Ja, paΔ vse, paΔ ja. Med evro, med vinem za evro, pa med vinem za 20 evrov loΔeΕ‘, med vinem za 20 evro, pa med vinem za 200, pa ne veΔ. Da, v pristopu, pizda za evro, a Ε‘e obstaja vin za evro? Valda. Res. Valda. To je bilo pa zelo pravilno suvereno. Kako spiΕ‘, stari, ali daj povej. Ja, res, to je bilo pa zelo pizda. Ε e starΔek ni imel tega pizda razpona. Izdal sem se.
Ε e posebej, ker tak ljubitelj vina kot si ti. Ja, to bo sploh. To me je presenetel. To je najhluΕΎje vsega. To bo suverene blotovi. Kako? Kurac, evro pa ni veΔje. To jiv sem vama. Saj tri, pizda, saj tri evre. Kaj, daj vin, liter vina. Ne, pa v sosedo je zihar evro.
To treba da zapiske. On v kartonastem tetrapaku, ki je... Sam on je liter. Ja, no, liter je kaj. A ja, gori, nekaj ti si itek ponovati, da je to moΕΎno. No, pa ono, ki imaΕ‘ v poferju, ne, pet literΕ‘ke, ti ste pet evrov, kaj. Ja, se to res je. Ja, se to res je. Pa Ε‘e niti treba petkrat hodati. MaΕ‘ prav, je veΕ‘, vidiΕ‘, sam ceno peta, veΕ‘, pa pa misliΕ‘. MaΕ‘ za cel dan, a ne.
Ene dve frekvenci imam pa zasedani. Kje je ta fall-off? Ne, a veΕ‘, tudi kot vseh hobijih. Je pa hobij, je pa fajn. Je jama brez dna, paΔ nikoli ne prideΕ‘ verjetno do konca. Itak da ne.
Ne, mislim, to ni imel z danaΕ‘njim pjanstvom nobene veze. Ne, ne, ti si Ε‘el na hard. Tist, ki je dons alkoholizem, je bil takrat abstinensko. Ja, ja. Ja, ne, dejansko. Ja, ne, valjda, valjda. Enkrat je bilo, ki so, ne vem, enega angleΕ‘kega politika, ki so ga izvolili, ne, in je paΔ, ne vem, paΔ Ε‘el ven, da tip spije, ne vem, deset perov na dan, ne.
Je verjetno ista zgodba kot pri vseh drugih stvarih, da je paΔ malo merjenje jegov, kdo ima tudi boljΕ‘e kable, kdo ima boljΕ‘i sistem, ne glede na to, da se potem ne sliΕ‘i niΔ drugaΔe. Ne, ampak se lahko pogovarjaΕ‘ z istimi sledeΔimi, se lahko pogovaraΕ‘ ti, kva pa ti imaΕ‘, jaz imam pa tole, takle setup. A ti si to vzel? O, pizda, ja, tega, ta, jaz imam malo drugaΔe. A veΕ‘, vse pa si itek povaboΕ‘, pa posluΕ‘aΕ‘. Hvala, ne, vse to gre potem za malo za ne.
In mu je pred tem ena gospa starejΕ‘a, mu je paΔ skoΔila obran, da mislim, da kaj, da to je paΔ Δisto normalno, da ti, ki so bili porteri, po teh, ki je tudi paΔ pivo Porter Dubo ime, ki so bili v pristaniΕ‘Δih fantje, ki so delali, da to je mendej po 20 perov na dan spil. Ja, valjda, mislim, se uΔvicaΕ‘. Da to ni bilo paΔ naΔ gramatiΔnega. Ja, pa sej najbrΕΎ on per tudi ni bil toliko moΔen, kaj zdaj, je bil mu tudi najbrΕΎ malo laΕΎji.
Pa ki, a veΕ‘, v kateren danen trenutku je sanj Ε‘e veΔ od tega, kar ti Δuti, a veΕ‘, kar sliΕ‘eΕ‘ to, ne? A veΕ‘, do nekega nivoja priΕΎiΕ‘, ker veΕ‘, u, a pa da sliΕ‘im drugaΔ, kaj, Δe bi plel iz telefona, ne? Al pa iz laptopa, ne? Kar je razlika, ne?
Zdravo Ε‘tobarke in Ε‘tobari, to je podcast o ΕΎivljenju, vesolju in vsem, prav Δisto vsem. BeΕΎno se kdaj tudi Ε‘este knjige dotaknemo, Δe ste mogoΔe upazili. Za pozorne posluΕ‘alce ste verjetno ugotovili. Δeprav prejΕ‘nji teden smo Δisto lepo bili pridni in smo lepo v drugem delu.
Pa smo se ful veΔ o knjigi pogovarjali. Sam ti je bila korona, pa nismo... Primerjam zdajΕ‘njo. ZdajΕ‘nja sezona je posebna sezona. Je tudi knjiga posebna. Tudi peta je bila ΕΎe malo tle. No, da, knjiga je pa Ε‘e bolj posebna, kot peta knjiga.
Tisto sem Ε‘el gledati, kar se birokracije tiΔe. AngleΕΎi ja, francozi tudi, ampak v bistvu so vsi plonkali od Kitajcev. Videli so, da je paΔ tam ta sistem, ki je bil dejansko evropski tak nepotistiΔen, oziroma da tam so pa nekako postavljali ljudi po neki hierarhiΔni lestvici, ki ne bi nekaj znali. Se posle te stvari se paΔ izrodijo tako,
Vse, ne? Ampak ja. NaΔeloma so v bistvu AngleΕΎi adaptirali kitajski sistemi. Francozi pa isto. Nekaj sem pravil, da so v bistvu in ΕΎe Grki in Rimlani imeli neke podobne variante. Vsi so paΔ. Δe pravi bi rekel, da so Kitajci, glede na to, da so bili oni pred 2000 leti
To se skapi. Δim je neka organizirana druΕΎba, paΔ rabiΕ‘ neko birokracijo. Nekaj, da to pokon drΕΎi. Ne gre samo, da se malo zmeniΕ‘. AngleΕΎi so pa pol, par stoletji kasneje tudi imeli pol sveta. So pa tudi mogli nekako hudiΔo skap drΕΎati. Ne gre to brez nekih zapiskov in nekih stvari.
Δak pa malo, imaΕ‘ to plato? NimaΕ‘? Δak bom ponesel, imam 180 ng. Mislim pa tudi, kva posluΕ‘aΕ‘. RabeΕ‘ nekaj za hip-hopu, boΕ‘ rabil malo drugaΔen sound sistem kot za rock. Mnj basov. VeΔ za blb, da se sliΕ‘i.
Je se zato, ker... Jaz ga preganil. Pa je pa vzmeden, vidiΕ‘. Jaz ga vzmedem in potem je til tu. Zdaj smo zbuntovani. Zdaj pa Ε‘e ti povej, da hoΔemo dnar. Ja, da hoΔemo dnar. Dejte nam ga velik in ne biti crmiΕΎljivi. Hvala za serijo, Pikasi. Levi mozek pa to. Ja, levi mozek je bil, ja.
Ker paΔ mogoΔe ni bilo, ne vem, kolektivna... MogoΔe ni bil to prav Δas, mogoΔe ni bilo to, mogoΔe ni bilo... MogoΔe se ni bilo. Tudi bitli se ne bi mogli zgoditi v nobenem drugem sajtu, kot v tistem, ki so se. Ali pa, ne vem, kjerekoli druge stvari. Tako, ne? Zmeri se mora nekaj poklopiti. Tudi to nisem bil streΔen, da se se poklopi. Ja, seveda. Zmeri pa so briljantni, ampak so lahko tudi drugi, ki so bili briljantni. Spomnim se... Δe bi ti George Harrison vpraΕ‘al, Δe je dober hitarist, bi rekel, da ne, da je...
Ne, nekaj sem nekaj hotel povedati, pa sem potem pozabil, ko sem tebe posluΕ‘al, pa sem se potem sanj zaceklil. Se pravim, levi mozek. Kaj levi mozek? Ja, toΔno to. Ogledam, veΕ‘, denar bomo dober pokural, obljubimo, Δe ga bo to kolik, da si bomo lahko Porsche kupili, si ga pa bomo in niΔ ne bomo skrivali. Tudi povedali vam bomo, kako se jaz jebimo s tem Porsche, pa s tem gumom, ker to je drugo, stari.
Jaz ne sem bil Porsche, jaz sem bil ΕΎabo. Ε½abo misliΕ‘, da je cnej. To je ΕΎe tako staro, da je to tudi drugo, stari. Samo od oziroma oΕΎi gume je cnej. A je za gume. Klient ima pa zahar kakΕ‘en obskuren francoski format gum, ki ga pa dobi sam verjeten, ne vem kje.
od MiΕ‘elina letnik 77. Pa je 1.600. Ja, itak. Ja, hvala Ε‘e ribopikasi, za gume gre, pizda. Fiktivne sicer Ε‘e od fiktivne ΕΎabe, vsak kakΕ‘na mali bi pa bila. Ja, Δrna kot. Δrna? Drugi ni. A to so kdaj kabre delali? Tega pa Ε‘e nisem videl kabre. Stari Degol je imel Δrno kabre. A ja, Degol, dobro, ne, to itak, ja. Ne vem pa Δe je bilo prosti prodaj. Samo ta je, ta je, ta je, ta, ne, jaz sem to mislil. Tako bi imel zaphod, Δe bi bil on predsednik Francije. Seveda.
Ta je taka predsedniΕ‘ka. PredsedniΕ‘ka, ne moraΕ‘ imeti tako tipi. Ne gre.
Sej mogoΔe pa bolj to draΕΎi, ka Porsche. Tako da hvala za serijo PKC Ε‘e veliko. Ne, Ε‘e le bajzer, sej. Ja no, zdaj pa lahko imaΕ‘, neΔega pa ne mogo imeti zdaj. Po moja, Δe bi en, ta ZinΕΎiljarder, Δe pride pa reΔe, da jaz bi imel tudi Degola. Maja, ne, to je neko muzejo. To je Ε‘e kakΕ‘no drugo naredilo. Ja, vredno je neka njihova bistra ali nekaj tazga.
Ne, pa sej najbrΕΎ sta Ε‘e kakΕ‘no drugo naredili. Ali malce naj, ker nima te emocionalne verjenosti. To je pa za raziskat. Bom dal link v zapiski, da boste videli, kva mu bo vzili, pa lahko mu mel. Ker jebeΕ‘ devetnaest bajt. MaΕ‘ samo eno avto, pa je. To je tudi v redu. Δeprav imam vse v resnici naravno. Tudi ta avta, ne? Ne. Sej tako spet Ε‘kodim. Kaj pa jaz ravim avto?
Mar ne, ta denar viΕ‘ek je treba vloΕΎiti v zabavo in divjeΕ‘tvo se. Ja, absolutno. To, to, to. Zabavo in divjeΕ‘tvo se, to pa ja. Ta, tisto idejo, kar sem imel ΕΎe pred daljnimi Δasit, ma milaΕ‘ki turizem, ali kako bi te bolj lepo rekel. MilaΕ‘ki turizem. To, da greΕ‘ v Kautmandu, pa se ga zadanaΕ‘ pod kontrolerjenimi pogoji. Tam je. Maja, maja, prodaja, na autoskautu, je, je, je. Kaj? So kabrjo.
Δrn? Ta je zeleno, ampak imaΕ‘ tudi Δrnega. Ajde, v redu. Ne, imaΕ‘ tudi Δrnega, najdo. A ne, ta je na Wikipediji. Ampak sem eno najdo zeleno, temno zeleno, zelo lepo zgolj. Skoro v redu, to bi Ε‘lo. Primestitveni. Zahar najdo. Ε½e dokaj Δrnega ne najdemo. Amo zbrali kakΕ‘nega avtokleparja oziroma avtoliΔarja, ki bi mu reklamo naredil, pa bi bil naΕ‘ sponsor, da ga pihne na Δrno.
Mislim, ga bomo omenili, valjda ga bomo omenili, kdo bi ΕΎabo pobavil na Δrno. VeΔkrat ga bomo omenili, kdo bi ΕΎabo na Δrno pihnil. To si pa zasluΕΎ veΔkrat omenil. Tako da, draga publika, Δe veste za kakΕ‘nega dobrega liΔare, kaj bi to pihnil, nam to povejte na Discordu ali pa na dopisnicah ali pa na druΕΎavnih obreΕΎjih. Kjer kola.
Mi smo pa Ε‘e vedno... To smo ΕΎe bili. To je prav dobra, dobra, ja. Ne, Aljo, ne, Aljo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo. Ne, jaz nisem Marjo
Δak, mi moramo zdaj povejati, kaj se je dogajalo v prejΕ‘njiΔ, ne? Ja, v prejΕ‘nji epizodi moramo, ja. Zi Ε‘e zmeri iΕ‘Δe Δrno ΕΎavo, tako da to... Ok, ok, pejmo, pejmo. Ne, vΕ‘eΔ mi je ta vnemak, kar iΕ‘Δe, kar iΕ‘Δe. Bojo mi drΕΎale to. No, glavno v prejΕ‘nji epizodi smo priΕ‘li do tega, da bo Zi, ne, da bo Zi, da bo...
Tali, levi mozek za ciklan, ali ga je ΕΎe za ciklon. Ja, kvarnik ga je ΕΎe za ciklon. V bistvu, ki ga je z neko organsko matematiko. Tako, Δustveno. Organsko Δustveno matematiko. Δustveno raΔunanje, on je rekel.
Na Δustvenem nivoju se ga je lotil. In ga je Δisto z te razpravali, levi mozek. LM. In potem on ni veΔ mogel kontrolerati izogib. Ja, tako. Ni se veΔ izogibil. Dobro delo. In zdaj so te ΕΎarki zaΔeli ΕΎe kar po zlatem srcu majΔka narezati.
na to neboljΕ‘ih. In tehniΔno je bilo tudi na to neboljΕ‘ih. Oni so imeli to sreΔo, da so se poklopili vsak na svojem nivoju in da so Ε‘tere postali ena mega huda enota. Se li to, pri muski tehnika ni toliko... Seveda. Ni neΔe, Δe znaΕ‘ tehniΔno dobro igrati, ampak ni samo to. Ramon se kot ta primer. Vse imaΕ‘ v milijaΕΎnem primeru. Tri akordi pa so en komad boljΕ‘i kot drugi, pa zahar jih imajo 15.
Artur je sicer ugotovil, da bi Ε‘li na koΕ‘ke, pa so mu razloΕΎili, da to na drugaΔen naΔin dela. Ampak so prΕ‘li na to, da bojo na koncu vse eni v koΕ‘ki. Da ni toliko dober. Zeleni ΕΎark se je vedno bliΕΎje bliΕΎa. Potem so ugotovili, da bi bilo mogoΔe fajn, da bi to minuto pa pol, kakor jim je Ε‘e ostal, da bi jo vloΕΎili v kaj bolj konstruktivenega, kakor da neki tam bluzijo posvoje. Tako je.
In? Kaj se je bilo potem zgoditi? Nalagam. Nekdo je potrkal. Nekdo je potrkal. Nekdo je priΕ‘el pogledat. In reΔe, ne, piti pogledat. Spri. Artor je malo zjebal to. Ja, Δisto. Ja, pa, da se ti kdo na vesoljski ladja trka, bi jahalo. Kaj se izogibaΕ‘ z ΕΎarkom? Ne veΔ. Na vesoljski ladji si. Na vesoljski ladji je en potrk. Ne, v bistvu se kljajo te smrtonosni ΕΎarki.
Oziroma samo, Ε‘to nije, da te bojo se zakljali. PogovarjaΕ‘ se z glavo, ki je v nekem zosu. Elektrolitski gel, prosim. Ja, elektrolitski gel. In ti si tudi v tem, mislim, ti si pa v eno drugaΔnem zosu zdaj. Ja, ja.
In je pa itek se lihkar zacikljal, ne, ta plava, ki je bila prej pritrljena na enega drugega Δloveka, zdaj pa ta plava. In si je neko vesolil, ker ni nikogar veΔ in nekdo potrka na vrata. Ja. MaΕ‘ vpraΕ‘anje, no? Ja, jih imam. MaΕ‘ vpraΕ‘anje. Ja, jih imam.
Kako se ni Arturju skagljalo, potem jaz res ne vem. Je pa ΕΎe videl druge stvari. On je doΕΎivlj zdaj v tem Δasu. Odkar smo zaΔeli to knjigo brati, je bilo neΕ‘teto priloΕΎnosti, ker se meni ΕΎe skagljali, ker se je tudi Arturju kazal, da se mu bo, pa se mu potem ni.
Tako da smo res zgledali, ljudje smo res ena taka preklet potrpeΕΎljiva in prilagodljiva bitja. Sem hotel reΔi trpeΕΎljiva, ampak ja. Ja, vse smo. V resnici kar, ja. In tako Artur zmeram pol na koncu tpele tisto z nekim miksom, ne vem, sploh ne vem, Δe jih se bi rekel.
Tako kot smo rekli, evolucija paΔ njega ne bi zbrala za nadaljevanje vrste. MogoΔe smo svet pri tej sreΔi. MogoΔe pa bi tudi bil. Pomiselj, tudi mi, Δe tako gledaΕ‘, Najbolj hrabri so umreli. VeΔina hrabrih umre. Se pravi, Δe tako gleda, smo potomci nekih strahopetcev. Golgam friΔanci Ε‘e za povrh.
Nekako tako, ne pretirano bistri, ampak se dobro izogivamo nekim neugodnim situacijam. Zato tudi pravijo te psihologi, da rajΕ‘ negativno razmiΕ‘ljamo, zato, ker paΔ ni fajn pozitivno razmiΕ‘ljati, kaj je v njim grmo oziroma v njih vodi, ker ne videΕ‘ dna, da bi zaplaval vajno. BoΕ‘, da misliΕ‘, da je nekaj slabega, pa se ti niΔ ne zgodi, kot da zarineΕ‘ not, pa
Pa si malca, ne? HruΕ‘Δatega krvoloka, recimo. Ja, pa da Ε‘e brisaΔ ni imaΕ‘. Jaz videl, da bi se pokril Δez oΔi. A veΕ‘, imminent death. Tako je. Ja, staj, mislim. In je paΔ Artur tudi to spelal, ne? To trkanje, ne? Ja, je predelal in je Ε‘el odprt vrata, ne? Kaj pa Δe? In kdo pride? Ja.
Eja, naΔ, ne vemo, ali bomo povedali, ali bomo poΔakali na drug tem. A misliΕ‘, da bi poΔakali? A samo Ε‘e povemo, ker smo ΕΎe prejΕ‘njiΔ napovedvali, da bomo povedali, ali nismo? A smo? Ne vemo. Ne, nismo. Δe smo, Δe smo, jaz to retrektem iz zapisika. Ne, mi nismo samo povedali, da se bliΕΎa zelen smrtonosni ΕΎarek. To je res. To smo povedali. To pa pustimo, pa je pa to za naslednji teden.
Mislim, jaz lahko reΔem samo to. Zdaj smo ugotovili, da so Ε‘e eno nadaljevanje, da so uspeli se obdrΕΎati. Ja, ja, ja. Zelen ΕΎarek je sicer Ε‘e zmeran. ReΔemo, da izdamo to, da je visoko zeleno humanoidno bitje, pa pika. Ja, tako.
To je ΕΎe veliko vedno. Zdaj pa knjiΕΎiΔe iz pesove. Drage posluΕ‘alke in posluΕ‘alci, Δe niste dobili knjige prejΕ‘nje terne, se opraviΔujemo z vse naΕ‘eΔnosti, ta terne veΔ ni. Pa Ε‘e tole je poΕ‘la v knjiΕΎnicah, tako da zdaj bo treba kupati ali pa niΔ. Tako da to je to. Pa ne bomo povedali, kje kupati, ko oni niΔ ne dajo.
Ja, itak da ne. Ne, seveda da ne. Ne bovki najte. Ne bovki imate originalen tabul. Na Discordu pa lahko poΕ‘ljemo link. Ja, tako. Do te trgovine. Ne bomo jo pogloΕ‘ovali v etru. A da vi? Tudi tam? Ne. Se lahko pogooglej, imaΕ‘ prav. Ne bomo. Ne bomo. Za kva? Oni tudi leΔ ne dajo. Ε e knjige niso dali. Za loΕΎba, ki se ne omenja. Tako. Ki se ne omenja Dodo. Dodo.
Ja, mega dodo pa to, da se referiramo za tiste poznavalce prvih knjig iz serije, ki jih poznamo in tako radi se o njih pogovarjamo. Tako, tako. Do takrat, ko Aljo pride do tistega dela, kjer ima zapovedat to, kar bo povedal, da zdele, bom pa jaz Ε‘e nekaj govoril, samo da ve, kva. Nese sem ΕΎe tam. Ah, ΕΎe tam. Ah, lahko preuzamam krmilo. Hvala lepa, kolega.
Kako? Recimo v knjigi je bil naveden primer Googla, da so ga oni paΔ probali prodati v Ε‘tarto. In Δe bi ga prodali, bi to mogoΔe nekdo drug, ki bi to kupil, Δe bi najdel kupca.
Kot glava ji odpeli domov. NajlepΕ‘a hvala, ker ste nas posluΕ‘ali Δisto do konca epizode, v kateri peli in druΕΎabna obre... Ne, to sem pa zanaleΕΎ naredil. To sem pa zanaleΕΎ naredil.
Sajni Δasovni preskok si naredil. Bravo, bravo. V bistvu, hodil sem sam povejati, kjer smo spoznali veliko zeleno bitje. Tako. Ampak verjetno bi bilo, kako bi se poΔutil, razmislite do naslednjiΔ, pa nam piΕ‘te, kako bi se poΔutil, Δe bi v smrtnem strahu nekje
Srednjo vesolski ladi. Nekdo potrkal na vrata. Mislim, ΕΎe Δe odpreΕ‘ vrata doma, Δe ti obpolnoΔi, da bi ti nekdo, brez da te smrtni ΕΎarki strelajo. Ja, brez smrtni ΕΎarki. Nekdo pozvoni in odpreΕ‘ in je pred vrati veliko zeleno bitje, dva metra veliko. Ja, ja. Jaz naj bi odprl. Priznam. Ker najboljΕ‘ ne ponuje sreΔka.
Ja, ali paΔ. Ε½e dolg nima mehnih otrok, ampak bi kakΕ‘no plenico poiskal. Dejmo, peli. A ne, o, hodim se vreΔ. A ΕΎogo sem podal, pa to je bilo na nogo.
Ne, ne, ne, ne, ne. To so beΕΎkarice. Vem, vem, ampak sem bil Δisto nekaj drugi. HoΔe sem reΔi, da je v epizodju, v kateri je ta druga zaphodova glava, med tem, ker se je vse to dogajalo, kar smo prej rekel, zaΔela govoriti, zark, zark, zark, zark. Ne, a veΕ‘, stvari so bile bolj Δudne, kot se mislimo. V bistvu, po en strani, Δe dajemo oceno nad tem dogajanjem, kar divje. Mislim, je mogoΔe tudi avtor kakΕ‘nega Δrva bombu. So divji Ε‘tose.
Ja, to pa moram reΔi, diviΕ‘tosi so pa ful dogaja. To se pravi, Δe so tudi za vas diviΕ‘tosi, oziroma, Δe sploh berete Ε‘esto knjigo, to je tudi zanimivo vpraΕ‘anje. Kukor jih mi tako dobro reklamiramo, zahar ful si berete.
Oni bi dobeli paΔ vne dnarja, kaj bi jih dobeli, nekdo drug bi pa to zapelo omogoΔil Δisto v drugo smer in bonus ne bi bilo tudi pribliΕΎen. Ali bi se pa potopil? Albi pa Ε‘el, on bi kupil, ne dela. Spomen se sam, ne vem, Kodaka.
Da, ali pa ne. Ne, sej, ker smo tudi mi toliko podrobni sploh naravijo. Sej, v resnici, to je bolj to. Nulo. To nam lahko poveste na Discordu, ali gremo Ε‘e bolj globoko v drobove knjige ali ne. Ali gremo manj, lahko tudi to. Na dopisnicah pa poΕ‘alite pozdrave iz Bad Klarkinheima, ker zdaj se ΕΎe selimo v to jesensko epizodo.
Tako da, vsi, ki ste na Ledeniki, Ε‘e... Ja, ja, mislim, te, vi, ki ΕΎe smuΔate, zdaj, ne, zdaj je zadnji Δas, da smuΔate. Neka, pol bojo vsi smuΔali. Pol gremo na bali. Pol gremo na bali, halo, mislim, halo. Aha, se pravi, da se pomikaΕ‘ kontra... Pa sej, to smo ΕΎe povedali. To bi mogli ljudje ΕΎe znati, mislim, halo. To smo ΕΎe osvojili. Jaz bi bil globoko razoΔaren, Δe se to ΕΎe ne dela.
To smo ΕΎe vsovili, vse to vemo. Drago je, no. Je edino pametno, je pa drago, no. Hvala, ΕΎe se nimi prikrasi, sem Ε‘e pozabil povedati. Tako da, ja, bat hvala, kaj imam hira in kam. Oziroma ne, preden bo podpora priΕ‘la, bomo za drug let zberali. Ne, zdaj moramo za Bali, to Bali.
Fiji. Fiji je bolj. Tam je manj. Seveda je bolj. Fiji je bolj. Ne, Fiji je ΕΎe zgodovinsko je bolj, kot Fiji je zakon. Z kratka. A s troma ne bo Ε‘el? Ne, ne, ne. Z mama.
Z vami smo bili. Ne, konce. Ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne.
Zdaj pa ne veΕ‘, kako to povedati. Zdaj pa nam povedo. Zdaj pa ne bom. Kar Trumanu Ε‘el, gledajte. Aja, to smel. Pa sedaj si ni bil na FidΕΎiju. Kaj? Sedaj si ni bil? Ne. On je rekel, kam bi reΔel. Aja, to pa ja. Na FidΕΎiji. Zato, ker je najdel od doma, brez, da bi se ΕΎe vraΔal domov. Tako. Aha. Res je. Bomo dalo zapiske. Samo, a je to za nas zvala?
Ne, ne more biti ena druga toΔka. Sam nam je vse, FidΕΎi je v redu. Jaz se dostirim, FidΕΎi ni slabo. Δe smo rekli, da je un srana odbalja PortoroΕ‘, to da narabimo, Madeira je pogovorno uΕΎitna, FidΕΎi je ta proba. Se verjetno je FidΕΎi tudi ne. Ampak ajde, pustimo. Pa zahar ta on, ki je razdobljen nekje, FidΕΎi, je velik. Sej ne vem, kaj pa sem. Jaz pa geografija so... Je otak. Jaz pa klavijature, slabo. Zva.
A lahko jaz to zakonΔam ali bomo Ε‘e kaj v klaviturah rekel? Ba jaz so sonjeve ful fajn, ta starej. A res, kirej? Iz 80-ih. No Δe ne vem, se ti pravim, da sem Ε‘el. Ja, lej. Te une, do 80-ih so baje fezdija, japonci. No, Δe veste, kjer so dobre klaviture, dejte povedati na Discordu. Ne govorim o benih drugih. Ja, ne druge. Spretan je tukaj. Ja, no, spretan je pokvical. Tako. Sam ne doznam.
Recimo, Nokia. Eno napaΔno odloΔitev v zgodbi sprejmaΕ‘ in je zadeva Δist druge, kakor si si ti zamislil. Mislim, sploh si nisi zamislil, ti si itak zaΔel nekaj delati in je paΔ prinaΕ‘al rezultate in si priΕ‘el do ene stopne. To je tako kaunika, reΔejo, ne vem, Bitcoin po deset centov. Ja.
Z kratka, z vami smo bili Aljo, Peli in Zi.
In, Δe ti ta pot, ki so Ε‘eΔ, lahko oceniΕ‘ in podpreΕ‘, ali deliΕ‘. Hvala za vse, Rime, pika si. Skriv sem se. Zgaj? Ti nisi jebo, zdi, jaz sem ga pa gledal, sem se mislil, ne smem ga gledati. Δakaj, jaz hvala sem le, Δe bo te zdelal. Dej pa v letno, v letno. Da ti Ε‘e kaj povem. Ja, ja, jaz sem prav skriv se, da ne bom veΔ govoril, ker sem videl, da me zdi dost.
Zdaj pa gre, kurac. Zdaj sem jaz, ki je umra glava. Zdaj sem seje, zdaj bo... Zark, zark, zark, zark, zark. Jaz sem pa mislil, da bo daljΕ‘a kregarija, ampak je Ε‘lo hitro na zark. Malo sem razoΔarjen nad tem zakljuΔkom, ampak dobro. To je to. Motaj kablove. A si ne moreΕ‘ mi snemov? Ne, ne, sem, sem. Zdaj smo pa malo podegnuli.
A bi ga drΕΎal do donesne? Ne bi ga. Mislim, da bi bil 100 dolarjev, ko si ga ti kupi po 10 centov. Ta pije kafala. Tako je, ima li ko jaΔi.
Ajde, pa Δe bi brzen, pa da ga Jurja poΔako. Ja, pa Jurju ga prodaΕ‘. Za zihar, za zihar. Stari, veΕ‘, kaj bi jaz prodal? Kaj bi imel za enega Orenk Fenderja, ne vem, 50 let star. No, a vidiΕ‘. Pri Ε‘estih Jurjih. Gimuki, ven, hodija, hodiΔa. Pa bi ΕΎe Ε‘pilo. Sam sebi imel pa vsak kitaro, ki bi drΕΎala vrednost. Tudi.
To je res, ampak gre za to, da v bistvu ena napaΔna odloΔitev v ΕΎivljenju nam lahko spremeni toliko ΕΎivljenja, ali pa dobra. Ne bomo zdaj izmeram na slabost ranglja. V ΕΎivljenju, v Ε‘portu, v kjerkoli paΔ. Enkrat za danes, tako kot za danes, enkrat gre pa malo Δesto.
Δe smo pri fuzboru. Ali pa gre Δez, pa gre not. ZgreΕ‘iΕ‘ ΕΎogo, pa je prav zgreΕ‘iΕ‘, pa gre not. Pa gre v table not. Pa te vsi kujajo v zvezde. Ali pa on ostrcev gol, ki je sam priznal, da je hotel podati, pa je bil... OdliΔna podaja. OdliΔna podaja. Zgodovina si je edina, da ta podaja je ena boljΕ‘ih. Dvometrskega vratarja premagal. Zelo bom iz vrota.
Torej koΔ. No, za tiste, ki niste tega gledali, bomo dal zapiske, ker to je za pogledati. To je za videti. Δe date kaj na to, da ste fuzbalistka ali fuzbalist, to morate vedeti. Tudi Δe niste, pogledajte, ker je res lep gol. Absolutno. To je v slugu vam basna. Ampak onih je ne leΕΎ tako dal. Ne, v bistvu glede na to, da govorimo v knjigi, kjer je en glavnih protagonistov vladja na neverjetnostni pogoni, bil to tudi precej neverjetnostni gol. Je bil?
Ne, ampak... Ej, naproti milijardi pa pol je bila tele notra. Ampak je probo pa je Ε‘la notra. Ne, ustrelo je. Dobro je, ne, probo je... Oziroma, probo je podat. Tako, kukor se je nauΔiΕ‘ leteti kako, da zgreΕ‘iΕ‘ tla, on je hotel zgreΕ‘iti gol pa podat. Ne, a veΕ‘.
ko smo ugotavljali, da glede teh, ki jim je ratal s podkesti ali pa s Δemer koli. Se pravim, ne vem, zdaj pa zdaj ne bi vedel, v Δigavi knjigi sem to prebral, da v bistvu se ful premal polaga v tem sodobnem kontekstu govora o uspehu, ki je paΔ ta uspeh, ki je tako zelo Δislan, se premalo polaga na sreΔo. Da je v bistvu sreΔa
Verjev je vas, oziroma svojo podajo, ker je mislil podati, ker je videl, da je nekdo not lafa. Da bo zagolj, pa je bil gol. Vse se je naredil, koliko se je mogel. PaΔ sreΔa je bila. Ja, je bila sreΔa. Zelo lepa. Lih prav je zgreΕ‘il, da je zadev. Kako se tako Δudno sliΕ‘i. Vse, Δe tla zgreΕ‘iΕ‘, tudi letiΕ‘. Ja, toΔno to. It's better to be lucky than good, kako se pravi. V bistvu je res.
Δe imaΕ‘ sreΔo, se ti mrskej mogoΔe ne bo zgodil, ker bi se drugim zgodil mrskej, se ti pa mogoΔe bo zgodil. A misliΕ‘, da moraΕ‘, Δe hoΔeΕ‘, da se ti to sreΔo zgodi, da moraΕ‘ veΔkrat probati? Δe veΔkrat probaΕ‘, imaΕ‘ veΔ Ε‘ans, da ti rata? Ali je to...
Ne, mislim, da je to tako, kot smo govorili. Ne smeΕ‘ v sreΔi razmiΕ‘ljati. Δe razmiΕ‘ljaΕ‘, ΕΎe je za jebo, po moje. Ne, ker si ΕΎe se vnotar v dogajanje potekl. Tam pust, pa v vesolje sam zrihtov. Ne, saj jaz to, ne veΔino tajto praktiΔno, Δez ΕΎivljenje delam. A da prepuΕ‘ΔaΕ‘ vesolju, da stvarijo. Ja, pa saj se kar, lej, za enkrat, na prvih 50 let, kar dobro govira. Dobro je, lej. Mislim, lej,
Lahko bi bilo boljΕ‘i, lahko bi bilo boljΕ‘i. SiΔe s pol, siΔe s pol, pa vse vrednosti siΔe s pol. Sej pa v pol je bilo v redu. To je bilo v redu, ja. Ne menjaj taktike. Ne, sej to, ja. Ne moraΕ‘ umeti streamov taktiko zamenjati. Ne, ne, valjda, ne gre to tako. To bom kar to odpustil tako, da gre. Reka ΕΎivljenja po svoje. Jaz pa znam, kakr bo.
Ja, to je dober plan. To je dobro. Tako. Tole z Bitcoin je pa tudi, no, pusti pa. Kaj? Regrets? Ja, lej zdaj. Lej je bilo v redu. Za nekje dobro. Se je bilo dobro. Mislim, drgati so ni mogli steΔi, kako se je, ker se je. ToΔno to. To je mogoΔe drugi. Mislim, v nekem usporednem vesolju se je mogoΔe napalo. Δe obstaja.
Ja, ne, kot smo sliΕ‘ali v knjigi, ne? V nekem usporednem vesolju tudi Artur ni zgreΕ‘ v tal. Ja, sem res, pa Ε‘e knjigi so se pisali o tem. Ja? Ne? A veΕ‘, je zadev tla, ne? In ni po letu, ne? Ampak nekmo pa paΔ rata, ne? Je bilo poink. Tako da... Ja, ja. Kaj, povejmo slavko, to je minuto. Nesi preveΔ, zakrkolj se vam zgodi, nesi preveΔ Δestitati,
Pa tudi ne se preveΔ kurcati. Ja, tudi predvsem. Srednja pot, ne? Ja, spet smo tam. Definitivno srednja pot. To mislim, da bo naslov knjiga. A srednja pot? Ja, to se mi zdi, da najveΔ zaobjavimo. Malo levo, malo desno, malo gor, malo dol. Posreta.
Ja. VΔasih so rekli, da pri kraju jadri samo ni. Ker potem greΕ‘ hitro pri hitrke. Mislim, da sred avtoceste pri kraju jadri, te prosim. Mislim, ne hodati. Recimo, imaΕ‘ tudi to. Ja, okej, imaΕ‘ tudi momente, ker je bolj pri kraju jadrat. Jaz bi rekel, da je. Zdaj hodati, jadrat. Dobro, hajde.
Za jadrnico ne vem, Δe ri pa to ali niso. Tisti je preveΔ zopren. Nisem nikoli zato, ker mi je slabo. Verjetno je laΕΎje, Δe si nasredka. TeΕΎi, kaj za danes obobali. Jaz tudi nisem pravzaprav za tako. Ko so univalove, moraΕ‘ Ε‘e dol v kajuto leΕΎati, da ti ni slabo, ali pa gor bruhaΕ‘.
ne vem, ni moja Ε‘alca Δaja. Ja, pa pa ne veΕ‘, je od pjaΔa, ni, ali je to od morja. Ja, pa vΔasih je bilo skozi od pjaΔa, pa pa, ja, rad nisem Ε‘el, da veΕ‘, da nis pa Ε‘el v dilemo, a ne, Δe je od morja. Hitev prije Ε‘el v dilemo, a ne, za kva smo zdaj tle, ali ne, za kva nismo, ne. Kaj Δas ne kopnem, dobro, veΕ‘, sedem najspero je bilo, sedem najspero, to paΔ, ne, tako je, kot kar je, ne. Tako da, dajmo na te minute zdaj. Dajmo na minute, ja.
Ja, saj zdaj pa ne vem. Ja, pogledat muΕ‘. Ja, 13 je, samo ne vem, kje smo, kdaj smo zaΔeli, Δak. Ajde, 13.
Ne, ne scrolli. ReΔ pa ti moram verjeti. 13. pa odbitak. Saj ne vemo, koliko je bil. No, evo. Tukaj bom dodatno zmontiral. 13. pa odbitak, to je ... To je 10 minut. Tukaj pa toliko minut. Minut, ja. Bo Peli povedal, koliko minut. Ja, bom jaz iz prihodnosti povedal. Moram povedati, da je to res delΔ. Da mi smo imeli en ... Nas je pa to najboljΕ‘o, meni ga ne zanima. Tako da avizo.
Zdravo Ε‘tobarke in Ε‘tobari, to je podcast o ΕΎivljenju, vesolju in sploh vsem. VΔasih tudi o neΔem. Δeprav ne. Zmeram je o neΔem. Zmeram je o neΔem. Srednje poti pa to. Mamo, mamo, mamo. V bistvu nekako se te Ε‘este knjige malo izugibamo.
Meni se zdi, da je kar tako organsko. Ne vem, jaz se ne hoΔem izgibati. Ne, sej ne. Velik je, ne? Tako, velik je, je, pa imamo mrzke zapovejaΔe okoli teh stvari zraven. Ampak mi smo vΔasih, ko so bila ta stara, klasiΔna, dagljosova pogovarja, ki je bilo dve strani, ne?
Ali veΕ‘, pa smo mi lahko pogledali, da je bilo en odstak, pa smo govorili tri, Δetiri ture o njem. Mislim, ne o njem. Ne veΕ‘ kaj. O njem prav zelo malo, ampak ne. Mi smo zdaj ugotovili, da smo mi Δisto moderni ljudje postali. TeΕΎko drΕΎimo fokus.
tista doskratka in potem vsi te podjetniki, ki razlagajo svoje zgodbe za nazaj, oni to razlagajo kot da je to v bistvu paΔ njihovo trdo delo in vse skupaj, da jim je ratal. Ampak je mrz, ki je odvisno tudi od sreΔe. Se pravi, mrz, ki je kaj probal, pa je naredil popolnoma vse enak kot vsi te, ki jim je uspel, pa mu ni uspel. Tako je.
To, kar smo prej ugotavljali. A veΕ‘, teΕΎko drΕΎiΕ‘ fokus in potem zaΔneΕ‘ nekaj brati in te kar odplava. Zato, ker so delali raziskave, da nismo veΔ sposobni daljΕ‘ih tekstov od deset minut. Δim ti piΕ‘e, da bo to trajal veΔ kot deset minut, ΕΎe me noΔek brati. 18 minut read now. Zato je to long to read rata. Ja, bom ta naslov prebral.
PrebereΕ‘ samo naslov. Ja, pa mogoΔe ono, kar je poboldan Ε‘e v treh vrstic. Vodnik prebereΕ‘, pa pa mogoΔe Ε‘e kakΕ‘en izvleΔek. Mislim, da se ljudje zato posluΕ‘ajo, ko skaΔemo iz tebe na tebo, tako, ker je TikTok video, samo audio oblika. Evo, lej, ja.
MogoΔe. Ne drezata, mogoΔe res temu tako. Ja, to spet sva prepreΔ analizirala. Kaj prej preΕΎivljenju? To je nekaj, ta samo analiza ni v redu. Jaz se odmikam od tej izjave in se distanciram. To nismo vi. Ker ni bila uverjena, ne, kukor bomo sliΕ‘ali enkrat po zim, ko pridemo do unga vogona, ko pridemo v Δetvrtem poglavju, je treba med stvari podkontrola, pa uverjanje, pa vse poΕ‘templanje, kar drugaΔe ni naΔne.
Zdaj smo zaΔeli. Zdaj smo zaΔeli, ja. Aha, okej. Povedaj, kjer si bil. Ja, snemamo, ja. To v Ε templajnu smo prej razloΕΎili. Sam je bila Ε‘e ta, zgledaj, petminutna priprava na delo je bila. Ne, vnaΕ‘ala, ker je bila prviΔ bolj, ta drugiΔ ni bila v redu, zdaj pa bomo Ε‘e enkrat ponovili. Ne, ne bomo. Povedaj, tisto, kar hote povedati. Ne, da je v bistvu... Zdaj pa snemamo.
Mislim, Δe ste kdaj probali karkoli graditi poΔet ali karkoli, veste, kako to zgleda. Δe ne, boste pa spoznali. VΕ‘eΔ mi je pri teh dogodiΕ‘Δinah, ker je estimate se tako v letih Ε‘teje.
Od zaΔetka do konca. Samo papirologija. Δe preseΕΎeΕ‘ to, za kakΕ‘ne par mesecev so ljudje, ki so bili upleteni, najbolj navduΕ‘ili in mestom zahteva tudi kakΕ‘en dodatek, ker so to hitro naredili. Δaki, a smo ΕΎe povedali? Kdo je sploh? Birokracijo so po mojem angleΕΎizmu.
To smo se enkrat Ε‘e pogovarjali. To smo ΕΎe imeli, to smo sigurno ΕΎe imeli. Samo pozabili. Stari sumerci. Ne, ne, ne. Mislim, dobro, oni so zaΔeli tako nekako malo zadeve organizirati, pa so bili, da bi bilo fajn, Δe si kaj zapiΕ‘ejo, kaj je kdo kaj pospravo, kaj je ono kaΕ‘Δo. Kdo je kdo je dal, pa kdo ni dal. Pravo goni so bili, ne, v bistvu.
Ja. Ne, ampak kdo pa je to pol na to ostopne umetnosti, ki je to danes? Mislim, da so ti enkrat citirali, da si nekje bral ali nekje posluΕ‘al, da so bili v EngleΕΎi. Ja. Smo pa dali to v zihar v zapiske, tako da pejte posluΕ‘ati eno od prejΕ‘njih. Pejte vse za nazaj posluΕ‘ati. Tako vse odvesto posluΕ‘ate. 175. Δe prav ne, to je bilo zihar od 100 naprej. 175. Ne, dejte posluΕ‘ati vse odvesto. Tako v bistvu.
Ne, ne vseh 200 posluΕ‘ajo, pa naj pa na dopisnico napiΕ‘ejo, pa poΕ‘lejo. A, to, to, to. Pa pa overunder, da vidimo, kje so. A ja, mi pa stavimo. Ja, jaz pravim 175 tudi. Ja, ker Δe ni stava, je brezveze. Ja, valjda, mislim, da je to zanimivo, a ne?
Δak, 142 za foro. U, dobra, lepa, lepa, lepa. Ker 42 ni, ker to je bilo kasneje. Ne, 42 je bilo kasneje. 120 je bilo. Ja, ja, ja. Ale komaΕ‘ ti? Jaz se Ε‘e sponom, dobro. To bomo pa povedali v naslednji epizodi. Ne, ne, jaz bom dal pa, ne vem, 93. Uuuu, Andr. A, dobro, Andr.
Ja, ok, zdaj to imamo uredilo. Imamo market. Imamo market, dobro. Ali en, moramo to potem v teriji preparjavati? Δe posluΕ‘ajo, posluΕ‘ajo, Δe ne, pa ne.
A to je zdaj ilegalno pripravljeno v sportnih stavah? Nismo povedali, za koga bomo stavljali, pa ko. TehniΔno je samo v naΕ‘ih glavah. Za Δast in slavo. Kje smo bili? Avizo ali smo ΕΎe? Minuta smo imeli. Ti moraΕ‘ Ε‘e povedati.
Ε‘e povedati stvari. A da kljub temu pa ne. Fajn bi bilo, Δe bi se predstavljali. To sem pa jaz. To je to. Mi smo pa Ε‘e vedno. Ali jo? Peli. In vziv. A ja, kaj skoΔ to povedati? Ja ne, Δe pa Δe veΕ‘, kdo danes prviΔ posluΕΎuje, je ful neuljudno, da se nismo predstavljali. Sami si pustil, Peli je do konca povedal svoj del.
The platform we used before Shopify needed regular updates, which led to the shop not working.
Do you know this one friend who just comes out of bed in the morning and then doesn't come out of his grin? Who is even in front of the first coffee, shamelessly well-groomed and shines around the world with the morning sun? Terrible. Disgusting. How can you just be so... Restless?
Kennt ihr auch diesen einen Freund, der morgens einfach so ruckzuck aus dem Bett und danach aus dem Grinsen gar nicht mehr rauskommt? Der sogar noch vor dem ersten Kaffee unverschΓ€mt gut gelaunt ist und mit der Morgensonne um die Wette strahlt? Furchtbar. Ekelhaft.
Kennt ihr auch diesen einen Freund, der morgens einfach so ruckzuck aus dem Bett und danach aus dem Grinsen gar nicht mehr rauskommt? Der sogar noch vor dem ersten Kaffee unverschΓ€mt gut gelaunt ist und mit der Morgensonne um die Wette strahlt? Furchtbar. Ekelhaft.
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
Ja, du hΓ€ttest auf der Seite gewesen. Ich hΓ€tte wieder der 40. Philippiner gewesen im Flashback.
Dieser Kerl drauΓen, der an die Leute schreit, ist wirklich verrΓΌckt. Yeah, I loved that concept.
So this is me learning this, finding out about this for the first time, like what this would have been.
Ich hΓ€tte gerne Dennis Leary gesehen.
Versteh das nicht. Versteh das nicht.
Do you think that you would be a good front office executive?
Industrial Com.
right, when this was like the beginning of the analytics boom in sports. I got credibility because I was Asian. Seriously, I would be moderating these panels at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, basketball analytics with these GMs and stuff. They're assuming that I could like double check their math. And I'm just like, I...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, truly like what I felt my superpower was, was writing. If you gave me time to write something, I could create something that could hang with the best students at the best college, was my confidence.
Why am I podcasting instead of writing? Now you have become my mom.
Hast du von Magazinen gehΓΆrt? Und wie sie jetzt tot sind. Und wie die Leute vier NFL-Spieler bezahlen, neun Figuren, um Mikrofone zu sprechen. Es geht nicht um das Geld. Ist das nicht so?
Es gibt nicht so viel, was dich anzieht, aber... Nein, es ist eine valide Frage und eine Unsicherheit.
Wie erklÀrst du FreeDocko für Leute, die es nicht erinnern? FreeDocko war so⦠Deine NBA-Nerd-KredibilitÀt ist auf den Charts.
Wir sind in seinem Basement.
Ein paar der Grantlander kamen aus diesem Training. Jay Caspian Kang, ein anderer toller asiatischer, amerikanischer Schreiber, der noch schreibt. Er hat fΓΌr Free Darko gebloggt. Yeah, yeah.
Now you've described something that is omnipresent. Back then, it felt revelatory. Again, I think it was also on like blogger.com.
Ja, einer dieser Blogspot-Tipps.
Ja, Gott segne sie. Sie haben sich wahrscheinlich am richtigen Zeitpunkt ausgewΓ€hlt. Am falschen Zeitpunkt, um ehrlich zu sein. Oh man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. NBA Centel. We want to get aggregated by the scammer accounts that imitate the real aggregator accounts. We are three levels beyond actual content creation. It's awful. Eating people's regurgitated vomit.
We all work for tech companies. You connect the dots back far enough and you will either soon be working for one, some conglomerate, or we are competing with them, which makes media companies behave like them. And I imagine for you, this is something that you also have contemplated slash had to grapple with.
Maybe I'm romanticizing it, but... Well, look, that's a bit of a stump speech that... die ich wΓ€hlen wΓΌrde, ehrlich gesagt. Es fΓΌhlt sich so an, ich sage das, ich werde von Journalismus-Studien gefragt. Oh nein! Ich weiΓ, ich weiΓ. Und das, was ich mich immer von mir selbst fassen muss, ist dritter-Level-Nihilistik ΓΌber alles, wo ich sofort gehe, sie sind so, wie soll ich das in Zukunft machen?
Ich bin so, wir sind alle OnlyFans-Kreatoren, jetzt arbeiten wir fΓΌr diese solistischen Technologien, und ich weiΓ nicht, was... Und ich dachte mir, ja, willst du mir ein bisschen Ankleidung zeigen? Was willst du mit mir machen?
I want to reveal that I've been unhelpful in creating peace and brokering peace between you and a certain podcast host. Oh, yeah.
Oh klar.
3-Level-Scorer.
Ich kann einen Journalismus-Studenten in vielen Weichen verletzen.
Metalark Media, colon, a race to the bottom.
Metalark is a bird. This is John Skipper's, by the way, John Skipper, former president of ESPN. Yes. His whole thing was like, the Metalark is the bird whose song heralds the beginning of a new morning.
You quoted, inadvertently or not, Gandhi. When? The change you want to see in the world. Apocryphally, at least attributed to Gandhi. Yeah. Is Gandhi Asian?
Ich versuche jetzt, in die Koalition zu rutschen. Ich bin von SolidaritΓ€t ausgebildet und versuche, uns zu unterbrechen.
I know, but I would like um es wieder in dein Leben zu forcieren.
Sie haben die KomplexitΓ€t der Gesellschaft eigentlich verstanden. Der Grund, warum ich versuche, etwas zurΓΌckzumachen, was unsere Ethnologie betrifft, ist, dass das Innere Chinatown etwas ist, was ich gesehen habe und genossen habe. Oh, danke. Danke fΓΌrs Zuschauen. Ich bin sehr stolz auf dich. Ich habe mich entschieden, kein Buch zu lesen. Stattdessen habe ich dieses neue Show auf Hulu gesehen.
In diesem Fall ist das gut. Absolut. Es war exzellent. Es war ambitiΓΆs, es war kompliziert, es war lustig, es war bedeutend. Und dein Charakter, ich mΓΆchte nur das bemerken, dein Charakter hat einige von euch darin, aber in anderen FΓ€llen bin ich so, dass es nicht wie Ronny in der realen Welt aussieht.
Dein Charakter ist ein Stoner im Show. Ich denke nicht an dich als Weed-Mann.
Wir machen nicht Weed in Singapur.
Video games and weed. At one point, your character declares that Koreans are the most fun Asians.
Aber wΓΌrdest du dich freuen, wenn wir den ehemaligen North Carolina Receiver Taylor Vipolis wieder auf ein Speedboot bringen wΓΌrden? Und dann wieder ΓΌber und ΓΌber mit dir? Okay, so just real quick here, because we have lots of actual special stuff that I've been meaning to discuss all year with Ronny Chieng, our special guest today, the actor, stand-up comic, daily show correspondent, etc., etc.
That's what I wrote down, but I was stoned when I was watching it, so maybe it's, you know...
Der Drogen hat sich auf eine Art und Weise entwickelt. Mit dem Verlust des Schreibens.
Hast du eine Hierarchie?
Ich habe jemanden, den du kennst, Daniel Dae Kim. Ich habe Yellowface auf Broadway gesehen. Ja, ich auch. Ich bin auch kulturell. Ja, das stimmt. Wir lieben Theater und BΓΌcher und Lesen. Und Daniel Dae Kim bezeichnete Korea. Der Junge ist 56 Jahre alt. Ja, ohne Alter. Ich bin so gewΓΆhnt an den Tropen von asiatischen Menschen, die jung aussehen.
Ich habe in den letzten zwei Jahren in einem Bar gekartet. Dieser Junge, das ist verrΓΌckt. Ja, es ist verrΓΌckt. Wir werden ein Foto von Daniel Dae Kim zeigen. Er sollte studiert werden. Ja. Von der Wissenschaft. Ja, er und Tom Brady. Tom Brady, dein Lieblings-Demigod. Ja, mein Lieblings-Footballer, ja. Dieser Typ hatte einfach nur intensiven Plastik-Schmerzen. Du weiΓt das.
Oh, Tom Brady hatte Plastik-Schmerzen? Ich wusste das nicht. Du denkst das nicht? Nein, ich weiΓ es nicht. Oh, Ronny. Jetzt mΓΌssen wir hier runter. Warte, lass uns nicht von Daniel Dae Kim sprechen.
Ja, er hat Wischbohnen gespielt. Okay, okay. Danke, dass du meinen Content... meinen Content-Furnace... Ich weiΓ, warum ich das nicht... ...all die Zeit... Ja, er war Quartermann in seiner Hochschule in Philadelphia.
Ich liebe es. Ja, ja, ja. Ich liebe es. Aber Tom Brady, definitiv, ich meine⦠Du hattest eine Plastik-Szene? Ja. Ich meine, offensichtlich. Ich glaube, ich sollte legal sprechen. Aber ich werde einfach googlen. Tom Brady, Gesichtstransformation.
Du attribuierst das zur TB12-DiΓ€t? Ja. You think this is the TB12 diet? Yeah. I mean, his jawline is carved out of marble on the right. And on the left, I'm just saying, none of us should be so confident. I should insult old Tom Brady, but come on.
That's a baby fat.
Keine NachtschΓ€den, all das. Das bietet mich mit einem convenienten Segway, weil Tom Brady, der Trauma, der er letztlich besucht hat, ich mache nicht die Lichter davon, ich mΓΆchte nur sagen, dass seine Ex-Wife mit ihrer Freundin verliebt ist. Jujitsu-Instruktor. Oh ja, ja. Und hinter dir, du gehst rein und ich bin so, Ronny, was ist das? Was bringst du hier rein?
Das ist, wie immer mit Ronny, ich habe keine Ahnung, was das ist. Es ist unplaniert.
Das ist das neue Nicks-Gi. Roddy Chieng, ein Jiu-Jitsu-Gi, festiert mit Nicks-Logos.
And I have been truly waiting to do this for months now. But the thing that I do need to just get past first is Ronny Chiengs first and only interview on the Dan Levitard Show, which was disastrous and from earlier in 2024, before the Super Bowl, when a bewildered Ronny was zoomed in to Dan's show, which kept trying to hijack the Taylor Swift YouTube algorithm, I am told.
War das fΓΌr dich custom gemacht?
Ich liebe es, dass das letzte, was du sehen kannst, oder das letzte, was dein Gegner sehen kΓΆnnte, als sie das Bewusstsein verlieren, ein Logo ist, das sie an Karl-Anthony-Towns erinnert.
Ja. Das ist das Analog fΓΌr das, was das Show ist.
Polizei-Procedural.
Genau, du bist der Typ, der am chinesischen Restaurant arbeitet, in der Polizei-Procedural, der es scheint, ein vastes Universum hat, das sie selbst enthalten haben. Ja. Aber wir sind stΓ€ndig im Hintergrund. Was schwierig zu erklΓ€ren ist, ist der Schiff in Perspektiven. Yes, in like the, wait a minute, so is this real? Who's aware of this?
Are the characters, are the cops aware of what they're thinking? In that way, it becomes both gripping and also hard to summarize.
Oh yeah, yeah. It was on VHS. I was doing a Christian service trip to Ecuador because I'm a good person. Wait, what? Das war in der Hochschule. Warte, du bist christlich? Du tust den Dienst? Ich wurde katholisch geboren. Ich ging zu einer katholischen All-Boys-Hochschule. Okay. Und wir gingen auf einen christlichen Dienst nach Ecuador. Oh mein Gott. Was, wiederum, nervig, weil nicht hispanisch.
Aber da war ich. Und da war eine TV mit ein paar alten VHS-Tapes. Und einer davon war Twin Peaks. Und ich hatte keine Ahnung, was das war. Wir haben es einen Tag aufgenommen. Und ich erinnere mich einfach daran, dass ich fast beschΓ€digt war. Like haunted, actually. Right, haunted. But it's the highest compliment to compare anything to David Lynch, is my point. Sure. But it aspires to a surrealism.
Yeah. The whole thing about working for any tech company now, it's like, What is this show like? Yes. And we are making comparisons to things that are elevated. Yes. Which is a compliment because that's not what you would do if you're just trying to maximize the simplicity of the elevator.
Das, was fΓΌr mich als Zuschauer funktioniert hat, war, dass es einen echten Geheimnis gibt, der sich ausmacht. Es geht nicht nur darum, dass es eine klare PrΓ€misse ist und es eine soziale Bedeutung gibt. Man versucht tatsΓ€chlich herauszufinden, was passiert. Ja, was passiert.
Right, why is Ronnie Chang, spoiler alert, getting thrown into a vat of hot sauce?
Du kannst uns nicht erzΓ€hlen. Okay, also das Jiu-Jitsu-Ding. Du bist nicht auf Twitter oder x oder was auch immer, aber auf Instagram. Ich sehe den Beweis... von der KΓΆrper-Transformation. Aber mehr als das, die Martial-Art-Transformation, die du seit wie lange machst?
von Ronny zu Producer und ehemaliger North Carolina Receiver Taylor Vipolis, der seine Swift-Football-Tipps live streamt, wΓ€hrend er auf einem echten Speedboot ist.
Mittelamerika. Wir haben ein Video gemacht, mit Jay Caspian Kang. Okay. warum Mark Zuckerberg so sehr Jujitsu mag.
Danke. Aber es gibt eine Art kognitiver Logik, ein Intellektualismus zu Jujitsu in Bezug auf Strategie.
Praxis fΓΌhlt sich wie das echte Ding an.
Well, except for all the consciousness that you lose.
Es hat mich ΓΌberrascht, dass mein Vater, ein Philippiner, in den Philippinen Martial-Arts gemacht hat. Er hat mich in Karate- und Taekwondo-Klassen eingestellt. Was machte dein Vater? Er machte ein bisschen Eskrima. Er machte Karate in den Philippinen. Ich glaube, er hat einen braunen Knie, das ist der zweite. Dein Vater kΓΆnnte ein bisschen Butt schieΓen. Wie jeder asiatische Vater muss.
Ich habe immer bei White Belt gespielt.
LeBron James of Filipino Urologists, das ist, was ich ihn immer nenne. VerrΓΌckt. Ja. Das macht mich sowohl besser als auch schlechter zu fΓΌhlen. Aber der Punkt ist, Jiu-Jitsu ist klar cool. Und es gibt natΓΌrlich auch die MMA, die UFC, Joe Rogan. Es ist einfach schwer, es von allem abzureiΓen. Es ist so populΓ€r, dass es eine unglaublich und unbedeutende Sache ist, fΓΌr einen Asiener zu sagen,
Mittelamerika liebt diese verrΓΌckte asiatische Kunst jetzt.
Aber ich... Das ist... Ich meine, aber die Idee von... Ich mag die Idee von der Demokratischen Partei. Eigentlich. Die DNC. Jiu-Jitsu. Es ist das All-Take-Jiu-Jitsu.
Is that we all sort of culminate instead of an election in a martial arts tournament.
Wie als Jujutsu-Kompetitor?
Ja, nicht mit dem Geldmacher verletzen.
Ich frage mich, als du diese Kampf-Szenen gemacht hast, war deine Jiu-Jitsu-Trainung hilfreich? Oder hattest du eigentlich das, was du wusstest, weil du kein Jiu-Jitsu-Student warst?
Wenn es etwas ist, was wir auf dem heutigen Episode von Pablo Torre gelernt haben, ist, dass wir BΓΌcher priorisieren sollten.
Ronny, danke fΓΌr diese Session des unkooperativen Sparrings.
I think the point's been made.
Yeah, the feelings are mutual. Except I love this. Our Sound Design by NGW Post. Our Theme Song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
Ja, ich wΓΌrde nicht sagen, dass Taylors Swift-Takes ein riesiger Erfolg waren, aber ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass all das letztendlich Dan Levitarts Idee war.
He actually did. The funny thing about Dad is that he is, he loves, Levitar loves nothing more als ein Komedian.
Was ich an Prada halten will, ist die echte... Ist das eine groΓe Sache in der Sportjournalismus-Subkultur? In einer Firma, die Dan kauft und arbeitet, fΓΌr die ich arbeite, ist es sehr viel ein Interoffice.
Ja, das stimmt.
Ehrlich. Ehrlich.
Respektvoll, er versuchte, in der Tiefe zu kommen. In der Zwischenzeit, du und ich, hatten wir off-the-record-Dinners, in denen wir NBA-Spieler kritisiert haben, die wir im Publikum nicht sagen wollten. Was meinst du? Ich glaube, das erste Mal, als wir gegessen haben. Wie lange war das? Ein paar Jahre. Das war ein Zeitpunkt, und das ist, wie ich unsere Freundschaften mit Carbon verabschiede.
Und auch die Art unserer Demografie. Es war ein Zeitpunkt, als wir immer noch ΓΌber Jeremy Lin gesprochen haben.
Sorry, don't let me derail it, please. I was just saying, we met up, talked about, again, your genuine love of basketball. Yeah. Wusstest du, dass er sich verheiratet hatte, bevor er es auf Instagram verΓΆffentlicht hat? Ja, ja. Ich wusste es nicht. Aber es ist okay. Er ist ein privater Kerl. Ich weiΓ, ich weiΓ. Aber ich dachte, dass ich... Ich dachte, dass du mit ihm bessere Freunde bist.
Ich habe ihn kennengelernt, als er in der Schule war. Ja. Aber ich war auch... Das ist mein seltsames VerhΓ€ltnis mit ihm. Ich war immer auch... Und das ist mein Konflikt. Du bist mit ihm nach Harvard gegangen, das stimmt. Und ich war auch ein Journalist, der ΓΌber ihn geschrieben hat. Und ich war immer immer mit ihm verheiratet. Er war der erste...
Als ich ein Amerikaner war, wurde ich in eine Content-Prostitut. Wo ich dachte, hey Mann, ich brauche diesen Quote, ich brauche dich zu folgen. Legitim, ich war ein Barnacle auf seinem Bein. Aber als ich sah, dass er annonciiert hat, Jahre nachdem er verheiratet war, und ich weiΓ, warum, um klar zu sein.
Sein Niveau an CelebritΓ€t und Ehre, besonders im Ausland, China, Taiwan, all das, ist unvergesslich. Und als ich es sah, war ich so, Ich war sowohl glΓΌcklich als auch traurig. Ich war glΓΌcklich fΓΌr ihn. Nein, aber traurig war er, weil er durch diese ganze LΓ€ge von PrivatsphΓ€re durchgehen musste.
Du kannst es lustig machen. Ich habe Fragen. SchΓΆn, dich zu sehen.
Als Hideki Matsui, ein ehemaliger Yankees-SchlΓ€ger, einer der groΓartigen Stars des japanischen FuΓballes, als er seine Engagement in Amerika erΓΆffnete, und er es erΓΆffnete, an einer Pressekonferenz, die er genannt hat. Und anstatt eine Foto seiner Frau zu zeigen, hat er ein Bild gemacht, das er gemacht hat.
Um klar zu sein, fΓΌr die, die gerade auf Audio hΓΆren, sie ist schΓΆn und das Bild ist besser verwendet als, ich wΓΌrde sagen, 99% der meisten Baseballspieler, die versuchen, ihre eigene Frau zu bilden.
Aber ich denke, das ist die Obligation der Feindin, die mich schmerzt. Wenn du Jeremy bist, musst du zu einem Punkt sagen... Nein, das tust du nicht. Ich frage mich, wenn du... Was ist dein Goldilocks-Level von Feindin an diesem Punkt? Weil das ist... Wie ein Bild deiner eigenen Frau zu berΓΌhmt zu sein.
It's just the most Asian thing you could possibly say.
But also just the dedication to like, I want to be good at this. Yeah. And I'm not here for the superficiality of it. I actually want to meritocratically earn this.
Was ist das? HΓΆr auf. Das ist alles, was ich zu dir habe.
Bist du der verrΓΌckte reiche Agent? Nein.
Nein, ich bin kein Gaslighting.
Jetzt kann ich sehen, warum deine Frau so ist. Sag einfach, du bist der Typ.
Ich muss mich an die Asiener bewerben, weil niemand mehr auf meine Show kommen will. Oh, scheiΓe. Well, that doesn't make me want to be here. This is charity. This is social charity. You get points. You get your punch card of Asian podcasters. Then at the end you get a free boba. I hate that punch card.
Das ist richtig. Und dann werden sie wieder verwirrt, wie immer. Also warum spricht der Mexikaner mit dem chinesischen Gesicht ΓΌber Sport? Warum ist er auf der Seite?
Letztendlich. Einer meiner BΓΌcher. Also Google Chrome. Ich habe es in einer Art und Weise benutzt, die eher rigorΓΆs ist. Und ich habe diese Buchmarken benutzt. Und so. Buchmarken-Toolbar. Das ist nicht etwas, was ich fΓΌr dich vorbereitet habe. Schau, was ΓΌber das flott ist. Das ist ein Yahoo Answers.
So I was trying to actually start with that because the reason that you have been genuinely frustrated as well as artificially gassed up to be frustrated by me about this whole Levitard thing is because you are a sports fan to the degree that you filmed a pilot in which the concept was what?
Yeah, I think you get ambiguous sports anchors.
It was really fun for me to theatrically yell about you. But the premise, like the logline of Ronny Cheng becomes Brooklyn Nets General Manager Aber ehrlich gesagt, ich war aufgrund dieses Satzes drin. Ja, danke. Es war eine lustige Idee. Aber was ist dir am meisten schade, wenn der Pilot, Spoiler-Alert, nicht aufgehΓ€ngt wird?
Yeah, yeah.
Let's go. Let's go.
See, that's what we feeling.
Who can't say no?
Yeah, all the time.
I live in a reality space.
Thank you. I so appreciate it.
I can go get that. I can go have a baby. I can go get that reverse.
I'm just listening. I ain't saying nothing.
I'm lying. I got to take care of niggas. Oh, my God. Stop saying that.
What you did to me. Yeah. You're going to take care of a nigga.
Yeah, let's go.
We're going outside.
They was. Oh, my gosh.
That's crazy.
There's too much shit going on.
She ate the nigga's ass out there trying to kick him to the curb. It's crazy.
Messy Slim.
Girl, if I told you I love you, that doesn't mean that I don't care. And when I tell you he needs you, don't you think that I would never be there? Oh, baby, I'm so tired of the way you turn my words into deception and lies.
Yeah, she was being trafficked.
It's the video Google.
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Oh, my God.
It's not frequent. Okay.
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I think she knew it needed to be exposed. You know, it was a threat not only to the workers there, but to the community. She never meant to harm anybody. She wanted to help.
True Crime ist ja schΓΆn und gut, aber weiΓt du, was das wirklich wahre Verbrechen ist? Dass du noch nicht bei der Deutschen Flugsicherung bist. Mit deinem dualen Studium oder deiner Ausbildung zur Fluglotsin oder zum Fluglotsen. Hier ΓΌbernimmst du Verantwortung und erhΓ€ltst ab Tag 1 ein tolles Gehalt. Du sprichst super Englisch, bist jung, aufmerksam und hast Abitur?
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Sie denken, er sei super cool. Und sie wissen, dass er gerade aus dem GefΓ€ngnis kam, aber Larry macht einen Nonsens-Einsatz, dass er nur in den GefΓ€ngnis gebracht wurde, weil die Eliten und die Regierung versucht haben, ihn zu beurteilen. Ja, okay, Larry.
Egal, er muss ein wirklich schmerzhafter Kerl sein, weil es nur ein paar Monate dauert, um diese Studenten komplett unter seinen Spell zu fallen. Und sie werden im Grunde alles tun, was er fragt. Und so hat Larry diesen kleinen Grupp von College-Studenten in seinen persΓΆnlichen Kult gemacht. Now, to be clear, this is just a small group of students during this time, like four or five.
Students outside this little circle who live in the dorm, some of them think Larry is creepy as f***. Some of them even email the school, warning them like, hey, there's this old creep living in the dorms. And in response, the school does... Nichts. Keine Ahnung warum. Aber trotzdem, das Semester endet letztendlich. Und jetzt ist es 2011.
Und in diesem Sommer, Larry und eine Gruppe von ungefΓ€hr sieben Studenten, enden in einem Ein-Bedroom-Apartment, ungefΓ€hr 30 Minuten weg in Manhattan. Und so sind es acht Leute insgesamt, die in diesem einen Zimmer leben. Und zwei der MΓ€dchen schlafen im Bett mit Larry, weil sie natΓΌrlich schlafen. Und ich glaube, die restlichen SchΓΌler schlafen im Wohnzimmer.
Und da ist es, wo ihre KultaktivitΓ€ten wirklich in Form kommen. Larry macht diese sehr intensiven Therapie-Sessionen mit den Studenten und er schreibt sie. Er fΓ€ngt sie auch an zu drΓΌcken und sie im Schlaf zu verbreiten. Er gibt ihnen Drogen wie Adderall, um sie hyperparanoid zu machen.
Und wenn die Studenten Larry challenge oder zu ihm zurΓΌck sprechen, verursacht er, allen die Videos von seinen Therapie-Sessionen mit ihnen zu zeigen. Also fallen sie alle in die Linie. Und natΓΌrlich, bis zu diesem Punkt macht Larry die MΓ€dchen in der Gruppe mit ihm ab. Weil, ich glaube, das ist einfach nur, was Kultleute tun. Er macht auch die Studenten mit den anderen ab. Und er filmt es.
Und wenn sie aus der Linie aussteigen, bedroht er die Fotos den Studenten-Vatern. And this goes on all summer. And by the time fall semester starts, it's time for the students to go back to school. But only Talia, Larry's daughter, goes back to live in the dorm. The rest of them stay there in the one-bedroom apartment with Larry. And this is where things get really crazy.
Weil er seine Kontrolle ΓΌber sie erhΓΆht. Er wird physisch gewalttΓ€tig. Und er manipuliert sie irgendwie, um falsche VertrΓ€umungen auf dem Video zu machen. Wie VertrΓ€umungen ΓΌber das ZerstΓΆren von Larrys Sachen. VertrΓ€umungen ΓΌber Verbrechen, die nie geschehen sind. Dann verwendet er die Videos dieser falschen VertrΓ€umungen, um sie zu blackmailen.
So how did this goofy looking weirdo start a sex cult with a bunch of college students? Now the goofy looking weirdo, his name is Larry. And Larry is 50 during this time, living in New York. And one day, I guess he decides, I'm gonna start a cult. And so Larry gets out of prison, because I guess he had been in prison for a while for being a con artist.
Er ΓΌberzeugt sie, dass sie ihm Geld bezahlen mΓΌssen, um alles, was sie falsch gemacht haben, aufzunehmen. Sonst wird er diese verabschiedeten Verabschiedungen direkt an die Polizei nehmen. Und verrΓΌckt genug, bezahlen die SchΓΌler tatsΓ€chlich Geld fΓΌr ihn. Weil sie denken, dass sie, wenn sie es nicht tun, in die GefΓ€ngnis gehen werden.
Einige von ihnen ΓΌbernehmen Tausende von Tausenden von Dollar aus ihren Eltern-Savingskonten und geben es ihm. Eine Frau ΓΌberzeugt ihre Eltern, ihr Haus zu verkaufen, um mit Larry aus der Schuld zu kommen. And if any of them start to push back too hard, Larry physically manhandles them until they fall in line.
One time he gets so mad that he actually puts a plastic bag over one of the girl's heads and he nearly suffocates her. Another time he gets mad at one of the students and he puts pliers on the student's tongue.
And so Larry keeps taking these payments off the students, the members of this little cult that he built. And he blackmails them to pay him back for crimes they didn't ever commit. And they're paying him and they're paying him all the money they can get their hands on. And pretty quickly Larry has made over a million dollars off of these students. A million dollars! Like what? !
Letztendlich werden sie von ihrem Ein-Bedrohung-Apartment in Manhattan ausgeworfen. Und im Jahr 2013 gehen Larry und einige der Follower von Manhattan bis nach North Carolina. Einmal. Zu einem Haus, das einer seiner Familienmitglieder besitzt. Und hier wird er ein noch grΓΆΓerer Arschloch. Er fordert seine Follower, manuell Arbeit zu machen, z.B.
in der WΓ€lder zu arbeiten und DΓ€cher zu holen und so weiter. Er beginnt auch zu beantragen, dass sie auΓerhalb von den Familienmitgliedern kontaktieren, um ihnen Geld zu geben, das sie dann ihm geben kΓΆnnen. Dann, 2014, denke ich, gehen sie zurΓΌck nach Manhattan und er beantragt immer noch Geld von ihnen. Eine MΓ€dchen hat nicht das Geld, das er ihm bezahlt hat, das sie ihm bezahlt hat.
So he somehow forces her to work at a sex club. And she ends up becoming a full blown escort. And all the money she makes escorting goes to pay off her made up debt with Larry. So in four years off of just her being an escort and him taking her money, Larry makes two and a half million dollars. Oh, but it gets worse.
Dieser kleine College-Student-Kult, den er begonnen hat, ist so verrΓΌckt, und das ist so stressig fΓΌr diese Studenten. An verschiedenen Stellen im Zeitraum haben fΓΌnf seiner Follower versucht, sich selbst unerwachsen zu machen. Und schlussendlich ist einer von ihnen unfassbar erfolgreich.
Denkt daran, es gibt nur etwa sieben Mitglieder in diesem Kult und fΓΌnf von ihnen versuchten sich nicht zu retten. Also, ich weiΓ nicht, was diese Jungs in dieser verrΓΌckten Situation behΓ€lt, aber es scheint so zu sein, dass sie nie wieder rauskommen. UNTIL... dass wenn sie sich nicht davon entfernen, dann werden sie wahrscheinlich sterben.
Und so finden sich die meisten von den Mitgliedern auf einmal die Kraft, um zu fliehen. Und die eine Mitgliedin, die Larry in den Besuch gebracht hat, eine ihrer Klienten gibt ihr Geld und Ressourcen, um in Philadelphia zu fliehen. Und dort trifft sie endlich die Polizei und erzΓ€hlt ihnen alles ΓΌber diesen verrΓΌckten Sexkult, den Larry verbracht hat.
And he goes to stay with his daughter, this girl, Talia. Now Talia is a college sophomore and she lives on campus with some other students in a dormitory. Und Larry zeigt sich plΓΆtzlich in den Dorms und hΓ€ngt in der Gemeinschaft und fliegt jeden Abend auf dem Tisch. Und ich glaube Talias Freunde denken, das ist ein bisschen seltsam, aber okay.
Aber egal, ich glaube, er soll nur ein paar Tage bleiben. Bro, I guess just overstays his welcome and he starts living there in the building. And over time he becomes friends with Talia's doormates. And they start trusting him and looking to him as this wise older man who they can come to for advice. And of course they trust him.
He tells them he's a life coach and he'll coach them on things like handling breakups and dealing with depression and stuff like that. Und er wird ihnen alles ΓΌber seine wilden Abenteuer im Marinekorps erzΓ€hlen, als er als internationaler Spion auf Geheimdiensten mit der CIA arbeitete. Das ist absolut Bullshit, er hat nie etwas davon gemacht, aber die SchΓΌler kaufen es.
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I cannot sleep anymore. The medicine doesn't work anymore. The sleeping drugs does not help anymore. And it's only causing more damage.
Sounds negative, but I wanna die.
And he's like filming in the dark, rambling about conspiracy theories.
Ich kΓΌmmere mich nicht wirklich um die Schule, wie ihr alle wisst.
Es ist Peanut Butter Jelly-Zeit!
You may have heard of this show from the 60s and 70s called The Dating Game. Well, there was a contestant on that show who ends up murdering a bunch of people. Now, the contestant's name is Rodney, and Rodney's 25, he's an army vet living in Los Angeles, and bro is an absolute psychopath. Just for like no reason.
And then, boom, Rodney gets arrested and he takes a plea deal and they throw his ass in prison. Less than two years later, he gets out. He's a free man. But only two months after he's out, he approaches a 13-year-old girl while he's in his car and he offers her a ride to school. And he ends up doing terrible things to her and he gets caught and he gets thrown back in prison again.
And then two years after that, he gets out again. And he travels from California back to New York City. And there he meets another nice woman and he offers to take modeling photos of her. Like, hey, you look like a model. I want to take your picture. And she agrees. And once they get alone, he ends up attacking her and unaliving her. And after that, I guess he travels to Wyoming.
And there he meets another nice young woman and he's like, let me take modeling pictures of you. And she agrees and once they get alone, he attacks her and he unalives her too. And after that, he ends up back in Los Angeles. And while he's there, he really uses that whole, oh, you look like a model, let me take your picture bit to lure women in.
And he offers to photograph this 19 year old woman and then he unalives her and he dumps her on the side of the road. And he does the same thing to a 27-year-old woman that he meets. He unalives her too. And it just keeps going. About six months later, he kidnaps and unalives a 31-year-old woman. Now, at this point, the dude's gotta feel unstoppable.
Like one day in 1968, he sees this eight year old girl walking alone and he pulls up and he's like, hey, want a ride to school? And she gets in his car and instead of taking her to school, he takes her to his apartment. And there he does horrible things to her that I won't get into. But after this, police are looking for Rodney and the FBI ends up putting him on the most wanted list.
I mean, he just keeps SA-ing and attacking all these random women, and it's so easy for him. He just, like, asks them if he can take modeling photos of them, and they agree. And then he gets them alone, and then, bam, he attacks.
In fact, he's so confident that he'll never get caught, he decides to put himself out there more, and he auditions for a TV show, The Dating Game, which is apparently the first reality dating TV show ever. And so, Rodney auditions for this show, and he's a handsome enough guy, and he makes a decent first impression, and so the producers cast him.
I guess they just don't do background checks on these things. Now, if Rodney wins this show, if he beats out all the other bachelors, the prize is he'll get to go on a date with the bachelorette, which means he'll get her alone with him. And we've seen what he does to women when he gets them alone. And so the day comes, and it's time to tape the show.
And Rodney goes to the studio, and he's all ready, and they call him out on stage.
And so then they introduced the bachelorette. Her name is Cheryl. And then Rodney introduces himself to the bachelorette.
And then as part of the show, she asks him some spicy questions and they seem to have a little bit of chemistry.
Gross. So anyway, ultimately, Rodney ends up winning the game as Cheryl chooses him for the date.
And so the show ends and then the contestants, they go backstage and Rodney is there and Cheryl is there and they're like chatting and I guess he's trying to like riz her up or whatever. But for whatever reason, Cheryl starts getting really weird vibes from him. I imagine he comes across as creepy. And so later she ends up telling the producers that I don't want to go on a date with that guy.
He seems weird. And so the producers, they end up canceling the date and she doesn't end up going out with him. Lucky her because not long after that, he goes right back to assaulting random women. He goes to the apartment of a 21 year old college student and bam, he essays her and he unalives her.
And if you're wondering how long this guy's going to keep going, finally, Rodney ends up screwing up because one day he meets two 12 year old girls at the beach. And he's like, hey, let me take modeling photos of you. And I'm not sure if they end up taking the photos, but a bit later, he spots one of the girls alone, and she's riding her bike to class. The girl's name is Robin.
And so Rodney pulls up on Robin, and he offers her a ride, and she's like, sure. And once he gets her in his car, instead of taking her to class, he drives her out to a nearby canyon, and he ends up unaliving her. Here's the thing, though. Remember how I said there were two 12-year-old girls at the beach that day?
Well, once everyone finds out that Robin's gone missing, police start investigating, and they end up interviewing her friend, the other 12-year-old girl. And this girl has a really good memory, and she's able to give them a detailed description of what Rodney looks like. And from that description, they're able to make this police sketch. I guess this is supposed to be him.
And so Rodney has to go on the run and he goes from Los Angeles all the way to New York and there he changes his identity and he changes his name and he ends up going to film school at NYU. But Rodney isn't about to change his ways. I mean, he's still a psychopath. Because a few years later, he meets a nice woman, and she's moving into a new apartment.
It doesn't really look like him to me, but whatever. Because it does look like him to Rodney's parole officer. Rodney's parole officer sees it and he recognizes him immediately. And so, bam, Rodney gets arrested. Here's his mugshot. And from all that, police end up getting a lead and they go search a storage locker that Rodney had rented in Seattle. In Seattle for some reason.
And so they search this storage locker and they find hundreds of modeling photos that he had taken of women. Some of them were women that he later ended up murdering. But most importantly, they find a bag of jewelry. And in that bag are the earrings that belong to Robin. Earrings she was wearing the day she disappeared. And this is evidence that they end up using against him.
But they can't prove them all, so he was only convicted of a few. Anyway, before they can put Rodney to death, he ends up dying in prison of a heart attack. Good for him.
And Rodney offers to help her move some furniture. And once he's inside her apartment, suddenly, bam, he attacks her. And he strangles her with a pair of nylon stockings until she's unalived. Then he leaves New York City and he travels up to New Hampshire. And there he somehow gets a job as a counselor at a kid's summer camp.
And he lays low there for a few months, but then a couple of his students are at the post office one day, and there just happens to be an FBI's Most Wanted poster there. And it happens to have Rodney's face on it. So the students are like, yo, is that our counselor? And they freak out and they report him.
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Also bewegt er den Bitcoin zu einer anderen Plattform auf der dunklen Webseite. Und dann chillt er einfach und wartet. Er trifft es nicht an. Und ungefΓ€hr ein Jahr dauert. Und die 72 Millionen in Bitcoin sind noch da. So he decides, alright, it's time to launder this shit. And to launder it, he enlists the help of his romantic partner and rapper extraordinaire, Razzle.
I blame love stories, relationships.
And so Razzle and Dutch, they get to work laundering this money and they split up the Bitcoin into tiny amounts and they move it to thousands of different wallets using fake identities. They even create a fake company with fake employees. Like the whole thing gets pretty elaborate. But here's what's really crazy. During all this, the value of crypto keeps rising.
And over the next few years, the 72 million in Bitcoin becomes worth 4.5 billion dollars. 4.5 billion fucking dollars. Oh my god. That makes Dutch's hack not just the biggest Bitcoin heist, but the biggest heist ever in US history. Angesichts der Anzahl, die sie gekauft haben, sparen Dutch und Razzle nicht viel davon. Sie sind nicht aus dem Markt, um Bentleys und Tigers zu kaufen.
Nein, sie haben ein paar tolle Reisen gemacht, aber nichts zu groΓartiges. Aber wΓ€hrenddessen beginnt Razzle immer mehr mit Social Media. Sie startet einen TikTok-Account und einen YouTube-Account. Und sie beginnt, ein Follower zu bauen und sich online viel mehr zu machen. And this is where she really gets into her rap career.
Now, let me be the first to say, homegirls got bars.
No, I'm serious, she's got bars.
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Now apparently she starts using some of this money they stole to produce these music videos, which people rag on, but I think they're funny as hell.
Like, maybe that's just my sense of humor.
But anyway, eventually Razzle and Dutch get married. Good for them. Und dann nehmen sie eine Reise aus den USA nach der Ukraine. Und dort bleiben sie fΓΌr etwa einen Monat, weil sie allgemein planen, dort zu fliehen, wenn die FEDs ihre Multibillionen-Dollar-Bitcoin-Heist aufhaben.
Offensichtlich extradiert die Ukraine nicht nach den USA, also wenn sie getroffen werden, werden sie nicht zurΓΌckgebracht in die Staaten. Und so, Razzle and Dutch, they get fake Ukrainian passports and SIM cards and bank accounts and they set this whole thing up. And it seems like this plan might work and that they've gotten away with stealing 4.5 billion dollars in Bitcoin.
UNTIL... Hier starten die Dinge nach SΓΌden. Eines Tages kauft Razzle eine Walmart-Giftkarte. Diese Giftkarte wird also ihr Abfall sein. Einer der Wege, wie Razzle und Dutch den Bitcoin verkauften, war, dass sie ihn fΓΌr pre-gezahnte Giftkarten austauschen. Sie bekommen also ein paar dieser Giftkarten. Eine dieser Karten ist diese 500 Dollar Walmart-Giftkarte.
So this TikToker is a rapper. She's also a billionaire. Sort of. Let me explain. Now we're gonna call her Razzle. And Razzle is a smart woman, she works in business tech, and she loves to bust rhymes.
Und wenn Razzle sie benutzt, endet der Kauf mit der IP-Adresse des Deutschen. Nun, an diesem Punkt in der Geschichte haben die FEDs sie angeschaut, weil sie wirklich ΓΌberrascht sind. Und durch Dutchs IP-Adresse kΓΆnnen sie einige andere Accounts von ihm finden. Und bla bla bla, bohrige Krypto-Stuffe. Und das fΓΌhrt sie schlussendlich zu einem Bunch von dem gestohlenen Bitcoin.
Plus, the things that Razzle bought using that Walmart gift card also end up being delivered to her and Dutch's apartment. And so now, Feds have their home address. And so, boom, they swoop in and raid their apartment. And then, bam, they arrest them. Here's Razzles mugshot. And here's Dutch's mugshot.
Und in ihrem Wohnzimmer finden Agenten ΓΌber 40.000 Dollar in Geld, wie 50 verschiedene Computer und Tabletten und Burnerfone und Jumpdrives. Und letztendlich kΓΆnnen sie die meiste der gestohlenen Bitcoin besiegen.
Das Bundesverfassungsgericht hat ΓΌber 3,6 Billionen Dollar von dieser gestohlenen KryptowΓ€hrung besiegt. Dies ist die grΓΆΓte Verschuldung von KryptowΓ€hrung jemals von US-FΓΌhrungskrΓ€ften.
Und so nehmen sie beide eine BegrΓΌndung und Dutch wird fΓΌnf Jahre im GefΓ€ngnis verurteilt, wΓ€hrend Razzle 18 Monate im GefΓ€ngnis verurteilt. Aber hier ist es interessant. Im Moment, als ich dieses Video drehe, ist Razzle auf Hausaufgabe und sie wartet auf ihre GefΓ€ngnisverfassung zu beginnen. But she's still doing the social media thing, like making videos, uploading to TikTok.
Wanna know a little handy trick? If you're ever on house arrest and you have an ankle monitor.
And I don't know if she needs money now or what, but she has a Cameo account. Which if you don't know what a Cameo account is, it's a site where you can pay someone anonymously to give you shoutouts or basically say whatever you want. So I thought we would have her say a little something.
I actually feel bad for tricking her into saying that.
Spirit of a revolutionary, power of a dictator, love to be contrary.
Like, she didn't know it was me. She seemed very nice. Anyway, of course, while she's still waiting for her prison sentence to start, she's still out there rapping and making music videos.
GroΓartig.
While Dutch on the other hand, he doesn't seem to be having as good a time as her. He's already in prison. And recently he released a video himself and to his credit, he does seem remorseful for what he's done.
Aber wir kommen zu ihren Raps in einem Sekunden. Nun, ich habe euch die Geschichte von Razzle vor dem letzten Jahr erzΓ€hlt, aber es gab einige Updates, also lasst mich euch schnell einsteigen. Nun, die Geschichte beginnt mit Razzles Freund, diesem Mann, der sich Dutch nennt. Und Dutch arbeitet auch in der Technologie und er ist offensichtlich ein gewisser Genie.
Now, let me just say this. Like, don't commit any crimes. But if you do decide to commit crimes and you get caught, this is the way to handle it. You serve your time and you take responsibility for the mistakes you've made. Dutch is doing it right. Good for him. So, shout out to him and Razzle. Good luck to them both.
Und eines Tages, im Jahr 2016, entscheidet Dutch eine Sicherheitsverletzung und hackt einen Bitcoin-Einsatz. Oh, und Dutch steuert nicht nur ein bisschen Geld. Bro steuert ΓΌber 119.000 Bitcoin, was in dieser Zeit um 72 Millionen Dollar wert ist. Verdammt! Und diese Heist ist ΓΌber die News, es ist ein groΓer Deal.
In Wahrheit, das ist so ein groΓer Deal, wenn Wort rauskommt, macht es sofort den Handelspreis von Bitcoin 20% ΓΌber Nacht. Und natΓΌrlich, mit all diesem GerΓ€usch, bekommt dies die Aufmerksamkeit der Homeland Security und der IRS. Und sie beginnen zu investigieren. Nun, Dutch, er weiΓ, dass er nicht auf einen groΓen Sprechspurt gehen kann. Es wird die IRS ausfΓΌhren.
The kidnappers may have thought that he was a rich foreigner. Maybe he was coming from a wealthy family that could have provided a high ransom in exchange for his return.
Yeah, cuz he just tried to commit suicide. So, that's what it is. Yeah, the in his face. With my daughter sleeping on the couch.
That's not what I came here for. I came here
All right, then me and your daughter will leave. I'm trying, man.
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Er hackt King Bach, er hackt James Charles, er hackt Chloe Grace Moretz. Und er postet ein paar etwas random, trollige Sachen. Nichts zu nefarious. Es scheint wirklich, als ob sie nur ein paar Lachen versuchen. But after that, he and his hacking buddies, they go after an even bigger target. Jack Dorsey, the co-founder and then CEO of Twitter. And so they hack him.
And of course, they just use his account to shout themselves out and post a bunch of racial slurs. Dann hackt PlugWalkJoe das Handy der Schauspielerin Bella Thorne mit einer Sim-Swap-Technik. Und durch das bekommt er Zugang zu ihrer Twitter-Account und er beginnt, dumme ScheiΓe zu tweeten, seine Account wieder rauszuschreien. Folgt meinem Kumpel PlugTalkJoe.
Aber er bekommt auch Zugang zu ihrer Snapchat. Und dort bekommt er Zugang zu ihren intimen Fotos, die sie fΓΌr ihren Freund, ihre Nudes, genommen hat. Und ich glaube, er beginnt, ihr Handy zu teilen, weil er alle ihre Informationen hat. Und er versucht, sie zu verbrechen. Er beantragt, dass sie ein ΓΆffentliches Video macht, um ihn zu danken und ihn in all seinen Freundeskonten zu taggen.
Und wenn sie das nicht macht, dann wird er natΓΌrlich ihre Nudes verΓΆffentlichen. Und Bella Thorne, die wahrscheinlich ein bisschen verdammt ist, weil sie sich nicht mehr verbrechen will, und sie ist so, f*** dich, und sie verΓΆffentlichen alle ihre Nudes selbst. Sie postet sie alle auf Twitter. Also gut fΓΌr sie. Aber egal, PlugWalkJoe geht einfach weiter.
Und im Jahr 2020, er ist rund 21 Jahre alt, hackt er und seine Freunde TikTok-Star Dixie D'Amelio's TikTok-Account. Und sie laden einfach ein paar random Videos zu ihrer Webseite. Und einer der Hackers Freunde benutzt ihr Account, um live zu gehen. Ey, folgt Coid auf Instagram, folgt erotisch. Dann hacken sie auch TikTok-er Addison Rae's Account und nehmen es fΓΌr ein bisschen ΓΌber.
Nun, man kΓΆnnte sich denken, ich weiΓ nicht, Ray, PlugWalkJoe klingt ziemlich cool. Also was, wenn er ein paar Influencer hackt und ein bisschen Krypto verkauft? Das ist kein groΓes Problem. Oh, aber PlugWalkJoe hat ein bisschen eine dunkle Seite. Weil eines Tages, dasselbe Jahr, hangt er in einem Discord-Server, in dem ein paar Hackers hangen. Und da trifft er diese Frau.
die wir 16 nennen, weil sie 16 ist. In 16 lebt sie in Kalifornien und sie ist auch ein bisschen ein Hacking-Enthusiast selbst. Und trotz der Γngste, startet Joe sofort auf ihr. Er denkt, sie ist gut. Und er bewegt sich auf sie real schnell.
In ein paar Tagen schickt er ihr viele unabhΓ€ngige Nachrichten, explizite unabhΓ€ngige Nachrichten, wie Dinge, die er zu ihr tun will, Dinge, die ich nicht wiederhole. Hier ist das Ding, 16 fΓΌhlt sich nicht wirklich an. Sie denkt, er sei zu alt fΓΌr sie und genau so. Aber Plugwalk Joe scheint es nicht zu interessieren.
So this celebrity leaked her own nudes and somehow this kid went to prison. Now the kid goes by the name Plugwalk Joe and he's 19 during this time and he's a hacker living in England. And Plugwalk Joe wants what a lot of people want. Money and internet attention. So one day in 2018 he uses his hacking skills and he starts targeting well-known people.
Er fΓ€ngt an, sie zu cyberstalken, schickt ihr mehr schreckliche, explizite Nachrichten. In einigen Tagen hat er ihr bereits ein Bild ihres Jobes geschickt. Und so 16, sie wird ziemlich schnell mΓΌde von ihm und sie bedroht, ihn in Retaliation zu hacken.
Sie geht auch auf den Discord-Server, in dem sie sich befinden, und sie postet das Bild von seinem Schmuck, das er ihr gesendet hat, um alle zu sehen und zu lachen. Und das f*****t Plugwalk Joe ab. Und er ist so, oh, hell no. Und er wird nicht diesen Slide lassen. Und er entscheidet, sie zu f*****n.
An einem Punkt ruft er die lokalen Polizisten in ihrem Bereich an und sagt, dass er ein armes und gefΓ€hrliches Individuum ist, und er bedroht seine Frau und ihre Kinder, und dann gibt er ihnen, was er denkt, ihre Anrufe, damit die Polizisten zu ihrem Haus kommen.
Er e-mailt auch ihre Schulprinzipin, als ob sie sie sei, und er sagt, dass sie PlΓ€ne hat, eine Piu-Piu in die Schule zu bringen, um einige sehr spezifische Gruppen von Leuten herauszuholen. He also calls the local sheriff, I guess pretending to be her, and he claims that she's going to blow up the local airport.
He also calls her relatives and he starts telling them that he's going to harm them and Sixteen. Because Bro is like suddenly a terrorist. And all of these swatting attempts I just named happened in the same day. Now, I guess he eventually leaves her alone. I actually don't know how that saga between them ended. I couldn't find anything on it.
Aber was ich weiΓ, ist, dass es in dieser Zeit noch einen Twitter-Hack gibt. Aber dieser ist groΓ. Der grΓΆΓte in der Geschichte von Twitter. Weil PlugWalkJoe und ein paar Hackern zusammenkommen und ΓΌber 130 Twitter-Accounts hacken. Meistens von extrem berΓΌhmten Leuten.
Beziehungsweise die Accounts von Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Jeff Bezos, Apple, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Kanye West, Floyd Mayweather, Wiz Khalifa. Ein paar Leute. Aber dieses Mal verΓΆffentlichen sie einen Link zu einem Art von Bitcoin-Scam. Und durch diesen Bitcoin-Scam kΓΆnnen sie 118.000 Dollar in Bitcoin ausgeben, von Leuten, die auf den Link klicken und fΓΌr den Scam fallen.
Und ich schΓ€tze, dass alle diese Hacker den Geld zwischen sich dividieren. Here's the thing though, because they targeted such high profile accounts in this stunt, this hack blows the f*** up. And we have breaking news from Twitter, the company is dealing with a major hack. The accounts include former Vice President Joe Biden, Elon Musk, Apple.
And once this starts getting media attention and it's all over the news, I guess PlugWalkJoe realizes the Feds are probably going to get involved. Which, yeah, if you hack a former president's Twitter account, the government might investigate you. And so PlugWalkJoe wants to get out ahead of this.
So from Spain he calls the American Feds on the telephone and he basically says, ah, this hack, it wasn't me. And he gives them the names of other hackers who he says were involved. Not only that, he admits to a bunch of those smaller Twitter hacks he did in the past. He basically says, yeah, those hacks were me, but this big one wasn't.
Also, er verurteilt nicht nur die Vergangenheiten, auch wenn er glaubt, dass sie klein waren, sondern er verabschiedet sich auch von diesem groΓen, recenten Twitter-Hack. Und sofort ΓΆffnen die FEDs ein Investitionsprogramm und starten, gegen ihn Beweise zu sammeln.
And they start working with Spanish National Police to surveil him and eventually Spanish National Police, boom, they bust in and they raid his apartment and bam, they arrest Blood Walk Joe. Here's a picture of him getting escorted by police. And he spends two years in Spanish jail and then he's extradited to the US and there he gets sentenced to five years in prison.
Like, he starts off by hacking Logan Paul's YouTube channel, then he hacks Logan Paul's Twitter account, and on the Twitter account he tweets as Logan to Logan's followers that if they want to see Logan Paul's sex tape to follow PlugWalkJoe. Which is stupid, but I don't know, it's kind of funny. The next year, in 2019, he and his hacker buddies target a cryptocurrency company based in Manhattan.
And they use a SIM-swapping technique and they take over the phones of some of the employees there. And doing this, they're able to steal $794,000 worth of crypto from this company. Was gut fΓΌr PlugWalkJoe ist, weil er jetzt ein bisschen Geld hat. Und er kΓΆnnte sich schlafen lassen und all dieses neue Geld genieΓen, aber das ist nicht, was PlugWalkJoe macht.
Sonst wΓΌrde ich dieses Video nicht machen. Sieh, er will noch ein bisschen Internet-Aufmerksamkeit. Das bedeutet, er muss ein paar mehr Influencer hacken, damit er ihre Social Media benutzen kann, um seinen Namen zu schreien. Das selbe Jahr geht er von England bis in Spanien. Und von hier, er und seine Hacker-Freunde, targetieren sie mehr well-known People's Twitter-Accounts.
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So this guy, let's call him GI Joe, because that's what people call him. And GI Joe is a police officer. And one day he's patrolling around this abandoned factory when he spots three suspicious looking people, two white guys and a black guy. And he goes to check them out and he starts following them. And suddenly, bang, he gets shot in the chest. He's unalived. So then a huge manhunt begins.
And the detective who dropped him off at home has to be like, you were drunk, bro. So we had to tow your truck. So anyway, GI Joe is that kind of guy. And as the years go by, GI Joe's behavior, it only gets crazier. Like he's showing up to work late or he just doesn't even show up at all.
He gets suspended a number of times and like eventually his boss has to demote him from commander down to sergeant because I guess he got mad one day and threatened to shoot a dispatcher. Also, a woman who works under his command in the police department, she files a lawsuit against him for sexual misconduct.
Then, a few years after that, someone submits an anonymous letter to the mayor of the town on behalf of some of the members of the police department. Basically, these unnamed police department employees, they all accuse GI Joe of all kinds of stuff.
sexual harassment, being constantly thrown out of places for being too drunk, taking his family on vacation in the police squad car, pressuring his subordinates to hook up with him, groping women's boobs at the company Christmas party. This dude is a menace. But despite all that, G.I. Joe still doesn't get fired.
And he continues his life still working as a police officer, still working as the head of the Explorer Post program. Now, he's been an officer for several decades now. But then, at some point, G.I. Joe, he's put in all these years of work into the force. And he's put in all these years of hard work for the youth. And I guess he starts feeling entitled. And he feels he isn't getting a fair return.
And to be honest, I don't really know what motivates him to do this next thing he's about to do. But one day he starts stealing money from the Explorer Post program. I guess there's like a bank account for the program and he treats that bank account like it's his own personal bank account.
And he just like spends money from it on random like he'll buy himself like Starbucks, which is not that big of a deal. But he also pays for his gym membership, his travel expenses, his mortgage, his kid's college. He even pays for adult websites with this money. What the hell kind of person uses funds from the youth program to subscribe to corn sites? Come on, G.I. Joe.
But anyway, he embezzles all this money from the youth program for almost seven years. And like his wife and his adult son are apparently all involved in this scam too, because they're getting some of the money. But no one outside this seems to notice that this crime is even going on. Until one day, this new administrator starts working for the town. Her name's Anne.
Dogs and helicopters and the FBI and the U.S. Marshal Service, over 400 law enforcement are all looking for these three mysterious guys who shot G.I. Joe. And this small town is devastated. I mean, G.I. Joe was really well loved. He had a good reputation in the community.
And Anne, she's overseeing the budgets and the funds. And unlike G.I. Joe, she's really good at her job and not corrupt. And she starts doing an audit of the Explorer program. And eventually, Anne starts asking G.I. Joe to provide accounting and inventory for this program. I mean, she wants to see where all that money is going. And of course, G.I. Joe panics. I mean, he doesn't know what to do.
I mean, if she finds out he's been stealing from the youth program, his life, his reputation, and his career, they're all ruined. So he starts kicking around all kinds of ideas about how to fix this. I mean, he considers setting Anne up and arresting her for a DUI. He considers planting drugs on her, like maybe that will get her fired.
He even contacts a member of a local motorcycle gang, and he tries to get him to unalive her. But I guess that idea falls through. And then, finally, G.I. Joe comes up with what he feels is a solid plan. A plan to make sure all this goes away and that his reputation stays intact. A plan to make sure no one will find out about his embezzlement or any other crimes.
And most importantly, a plan that will make sure that his family won't be accused of being involved in any of the crimes he's done. And then one morning, he puts this plan into motion. He wakes up and he heads out toward the explorer post where he's supposed to be finishing an equipment inventory for Anne. But instead of stopping there, he just keeps driving.
And he drives all the way to this abandoned cement factory. Once he's there, he radios to dispatch and he tells them he sees three suspicious men there. Two white guys and a black guy. And that they're looking pretty shady. Here's the thing though, G.I. Joe doesn't see anyone there. He's making it all up.
And then he tells the dispatch that the suspects have run away toward the swamp and that he's gonna follow them and that they need to send backup. And so dispatch listens and they send some officers out his way. Then G.I. Joe, he takes his pew-pew and he points it at his chest and he fires. Bam! But the bullet is stopped by his bulletproof vest. Then he tries again.
This time he makes sure to move his bulletproof vest out of the way. And bam, he succeeds. He unalives himself. And other officers have arrived on the scene and they investigate. And of course, they think these three mysterious men, two white guys and a black guy, that they unalived him and got away. Because that's what GI Joe wanted them to think.
But most importantly, he was the leader of this youth program, a program that encourages young adults to eventually go into law enforcement, the Explorer Post program. And he loved this program. I mean, it was everything to him. And the youth, they all loved him too. He truly did care about his community. He was always involved with community events, village events, etc.
He like staged the area to make it look like there was a struggle and everything. But after a thorough two-month investigation, police finally figure out that there were no mysterious men. G.I. Joe made it all up.
So I guess his plan didn't work and now everyone knows that maybe he wasn't as good of a guy as everyone in the community once thought. And here's what he looked like in real life.
So if the community loved him so much, who were these three random guys who suddenly decided to unalive G.I. Joe? All right, before we answer that, let's talk about Joe for a minute because he's an interesting guy. Now, after he dies, they release his personal records. And let's just say there's a whole other side of him that the community didn't know about. For example, he's kind of a drunk.
Like one day he gets so drunk that he passes out in his truck on the shoulder of the highway. And another officer finds him and G.I. Joe is so drunk that the officer can't even wake him up. So then a detective from his town has to take him home and they have to have his truck towed. And the next morning, G.I. Joe, he can't remember any of this. So he calls and reports his truck as stolen.
So this guy, his name's Billy, and Billy is about to unalive a whole lot of old people. Now, Billy is nobody special. He's kind of a turd who works odd jobs here and there. He's a caregiver. He's a maintenance worker. But one day, something changes in Billy, and he snaps, and he decides he wants to make his money in a different way.
So then bro just keeps going, and boom, he unalives another one, a 94-year-old woman. But this time, he gets caught by police in the area and arrested for trespassing. So once he gets out of jail, he just continues his plan. He goes to a different retirement community and he starts unaliving people there. He unalives an 82-year-old woman.
He unalives another 82-year-old woman, an 83-year-old woman, an 86-year-old woman, an 89-year-old woman. And of course, afterwards, he's taking all their shit and he's pawning it. Then the week after that last murder, he comes back and bam, he unalives an 87 year old woman. Then the week after that, he unalives a 92 year old woman. And here's the thing.
No one is held responsible for these murders because no one is reporting them as murders because these are elderly women. So when their bodies are discovered, people just assume that they died in their sleep of natural causes. And from what I read, if you suffocate someone with a pillow, their death appears as if they had a heart attack. I guess the signs end up looking the same.
And unfortunately, when someone of that age, an older age, dies, they don't typically do a full autopsy on them. So this allows Billy to get away with murder over and over again. It's really sad. I mean, this whole video is sad.
Anyway, then about two weeks after that last murder at that same retirement community, someone notices him and they approach him and they're like, hey, what are you doing here? And Billy's like, oh, I'm a maintenance guy. I'm here to work on some pipes. And they ultimately let him leave. But he's starting to realize that people around there are getting suspicious of him. So what does he do?
He chills for a while. But then about a year later, he just moves on to the next retirement community to start all over again. And at this new place, he unalives a woman. I don't know her age. But two weeks after that, he unalives another woman, a 90-year-old woman. But then six weeks later, Billy finally slips up. He knocks on the door of this 93-year-old woman's apartment.
And Billy knows a lot about elderly people because he's worked in a lot of care facilities and retirement communities as a caregiver or as a maintenance person. And Billy knows that these old people often have jewelry and family heirlooms just lying around. So he comes up with a plan to target some retirement communities and loot some of these places to make a few bucks.
And I don't know her name, so we'll just call her Gertrude. So Gertrude opens up the door and Billy goes through his normal routine. He tells her he's the maintenance guy and he asks her if she needs any maintenance work done. And Gertrude's like, nah. But then before she can close the door, kaboom, Billy busts in and he knocks her to the ground.
And then he grabs a pillow and he covers her face with it until she runs out of air. And then he grabs her jewelry box and he just flees the scene. Here's the thing though. When Billy was smothering Gertrude with that pillow... she knew she wasn't strong enough to overpower him. So she just stopped moving and she starts playing dead. So Gertrude is still alive.
And after Billy takes her jewelry box and leaves, she crawls over to her emergency alert button. She presses it and she alerts the police. And so police come over and unfortunately, she really isn't able to give them enough details about him for them to identify the suspect. So unfortunately, Billy gets away with it again. Until...
So this string of murders continues and Billy targets another retirement community. And he unalives an 84-year-old woman. And then he unalives a 79-year-old woman. And then a 93-year-old woman. And an 81-year-old woman. Then he targets some other places and some other women in their own homes. A 90-year-old woman. An 81-year-old woman. A 75-year-old woman. An 88-year-old woman.
And he just keeps going, unaliving more elderly women and pawning their stuff. And he seems to be making quite a bit of money off this. But then he screws up again. One day, Billy knocks on the door of this woman's apartment. Her name's Mary. And Mary answers the door and suddenly, kaboom, Billy forces his way in. And he yells at her, lie down. And she's scared, so she does.
And Billy, he grabs a pillow and he gets on top of her and he starts suffocating her. And Mary, she passes out. She's unconscious. But once she stops moving, Billy thinks she's dead. So he grabs her jewelry box and he flees the scene. Sometime later, a friend stops by to see Mary. And she sees that Mary's lying on the floor, not moving. So she calls 911 and paramedics show up and they revive her.
And when Mary eventually reports all this to the police, she is able to give them a description of Billy. And they're able to link him to his car, which about a month before had been seen near one of the murder scenes. So now, kapow, police have a suspect. But they're not quite quick enough because the day after Billy had attacked Mary, he goes out looking for his next victim.
And unfortunately, he finds her in a local Walmart. A little 80-year-old woman named Lou T. So Lou T. is at this Walmart and Billy approaches her and I guess they interact and that is the last time anyone sees her. And it is presumed that he followed her home that day. Because later that day, Billy goes into her apartment and he unalives her too. And he takes her jewelry box.
But that same day, since Billy is a suspect, police have started staking out his home. And soon, Billy gets home from, I assume, unaliving Lou T, and he still got her jewelry box that he stole. And I guess he had taken all the valuables out of it because he ends up throwing that box in the dumpster. And police see him throwing that box in the dumpster, and bam, they go and they arrest him.
Here's his mugshot. And they end up digging that jewelry box out of the dumpster, and inside it, they find a piece of paper with Lou T's name on it. So police go over to Luti's apartment about 10 miles away, and there, inside the place, they find her, unfortunately, unalived.
Also, he's going to murder some people. Now, his plan works like this. He's going to go to a retirement community and scope out a resident who he thinks might be a good target, likely a woman. Then he'll pretend to be a maintenance worker and he'll knock on their door and ask them if they need any work done.
And so police start to connect all the dots with Mary's case, and they start looking into hundreds of deaths in the area to see if maybe Billy had been responsible. And it's hard for police to ultimately know exactly how many elderly people Billy unalived because, again, so many deaths of people that age were initially thought to be from natural causes.
Regardless, they ultimately charge Billy with unaliving 18 people and he ends up getting life in prison. But then, after that, at some point, while he's in prison, his cellmate stabs him and he dies. So...
And when they let him inside, bam, that's when he'll overpower them and he'll smother them with a pillow until they're unalived. Then he'll rob them of their jewelry and he'll put their body back on the bed to make it look like the person just passed away from old age. It's a crazy plan.
So then Billy, he goes to a nearby retirement community and he knocks on someone's door and this woman opens it. She's 87. And then boom, Billy overpowers her and he suffocates her with a pillow. And then he steals a bunch of her jewelry and valuables. And then he goes to a pawn shop and he pawns them. The next month, he does the same thing to a 91-year-old woman in the same retirement community.
Then he didn't reply to it and I was just like, okay. So I just kind of went on with my life and was just kind of waiting for him to reply.
Oh, und es wird schlimmer. Also nach all dem, wie sie nicht auf die Kamera kommt und sagt, es war nur eine LΓΌge, ich war nur witzig.
Es war eine BegrΓΌndung fΓΌr Kinderrechte, weil meine Mutter keine Geld fΓΌr Berufe hatte. Und sie versuchte, freie Berufe zu bekommen.
Als Kind habe ich auf Rays Gesicht gescribbelt, weil ich ihn so viel hasste. Er hat mich verlassen, also habe ich ihm das Gesicht gescribbelt.
I'm a small creator and I do need money. I'll be real. So it's like, if he didn't give me anything growing up, he might as well give me a bit of clout. That's the least he could do because growing up he didn't give me anything. I need money guys, I'll be real.
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I remember praying like, am I strong enough to be his mama? Can I do this? Can I give him what he needs?
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So this turd is about to steal 16 million dollars. So let's make fun of him. Now his name is Sandy and Sandy's 55 and he's an accountant living in Texas. And he does accounting for this local bakery known for making fruitcakes. Now, here's the thing. This bakery he works for only pays him about $50,000 a year. And he thinks, yeah, that's not enough.
like tens of millions of dollars worth a year. And so they're not going to notice they're $20,000 short. And so keeping that in mind, he decides, hell yeah, let's do it again. And over time, he steals again and again and again. He keeps writing checks to his own account until he siphoned off a ton of money from this little establishment.
And of course, now that he's got all this free money, he's gotta go spend it on some dumb shit. Because like I said, when you steal money, you gotta flex. That's the rule. And so he goes on these shopping sprees and he buys himself designer clothes. He remodels his whole kitchen with granite everything. He builds this big-ass wine cellar at his house and he fills it up with expensive wines.
He buys himself a ton of Rolexes, because I guess he really likes watches. Now at this point, his gullible ass wife is like, is all this money gonna get us in trouble? And Sandy's like, yeah, if anyone asks, I'll just say it's coming from my accounting clients. And so wife must know Sandy's story isn't adding up. But for whatever reason, I guess she doesn't press him as hard as she should.
And maybe, maybe that's because he starts buying her a bunch of shit too. Like he buys her diamonds and pearls and fur coats and designer purses and a bunch of rings. He even tells her it's okay to quit her job because they have enough money now. And so she quits her job, which at this point, she's gotta know he's stealing.
I mean, one of his accounting clients is giving him all this money as a gift? Come on, how naive can you be? Anyway, soon enough, Sandy has embezzled enough money that he buys them a whole-ass vacation home. So now this guy has multiple houses. And as the years go by, his theft gets more and more obvious because he's taking larger sums of money. And of course he spends all that too.
He like starts flying on private jets. Here's a picture of him and his wife on a private jet. Here's another picture of them on a private jet. And here they are vacationing in Napa Valley. And like he and his wife are driving brand new $100,000 cars every couple of months. Like one month it's a Mercedes, then it's a Bentley, then it's a Porsche.
But instead of asking for a raise like a normal human being, he decides he's going to steal some money from them. And one day in 2004, he starts doing it. He starts by taking a small amount, just some petty cash lying around. And so he takes this cash and no one realizes it's gone. And Sandy's like, sweet, let's do it again. And so he keeps doing it.
And of course, people around Sandy, they aren't stupid. because Sandy and his wife are making it so obvious. You can't just have a $50,000 a year job and fly around on private jets all the time. And so people around them see him wearing all these new Rolexes, driving these new cars, taking trips to Napa Valley, and they're like, yo, doesn't this guy make 50 grand a year?
And so they're all wondering if he like won the lottery or something. But see, Sandy, he's a smart guy, or at least he thinks he is. He's got this covered. He always has some bullshit story ready, like he tells them that he makes a bunch of money on the side flipping cars, or that he inherited the money from a relative, or that it's actually his cousin's private jet, or whatever.
And I guess people believe him, or at least they don't seem to suspect him of stealing. And all this is great for Sandy, because for the first time in his life, he's actually rich. From this Texas bakery, he's stolen more than $16 million. Oh, and to make it worse, the bakery is no longer profitable. They're now losing money every year, no matter how many fruitcakes they sell.
They're not profitable because Sandy is stealing so much money from them at a time. But Sandy, he don't give a damn. He's living big. He's still spending. He buys 98 watches. He buys gold bars like just for the hell of it. I don't think this guy is ever going to get caught. Until, of course this guy's gonna get caught, come on.
And so years go by, and it's now 2011, and a woman starts working at the bakery. Her name's Symmetric, and Symmetric is an accounting assistant. And so she starts working on these accounts, looking over everything, and she notices some numbers aren't quite adding up. And after about two years, it's now 2013, and she sees a big accounting issue, one that couldn't possibly be an accident.
because it's money being funneled into an outside bank account. And so she takes this to Sandy because he's her superior. And of course, Sandy makes up some nonsense excuse like, oh, that's because of But Symmetric doesn't buy it. So she starts investigating on her own. And she eventually takes all her findings to her boss. And immediately, boom, the bakery finally fires Sandy.
So now what's he going to do? Well, he understands that he's screwed. I mean, the bakery knows that he's been stealing from them for the past nine years. And so they're definitely gonna report him to the police. And this is such a huge amount of money that the FBI is then probably going to get involved. And this scares the hell out of him.
And so he decides to stash all his loot so the police can't seize it. And he gathers up all his millions of dollars in jewelry and watches and gold bars and stuff that he bought with the stolen money, and he shoves it into grocery bags. Then he drives out of town over to his daughter's house and he drops the stuff off there. Then he and his wife disappear for a while.
I actually have no idea where they go during this time, but a few weeks later, boom, the FBI goes and raids his house looking for him and any other evidence they can find. This is, an actual photo of the raid. And once Sandy realizes the FBI is onto him, he decides to go back to his daughter's house and take his stash of watches and gold bars and and throw a bunch of it into the nearby lake.
Then he like immediately goes and buys himself a gold Lexus. So, you know, his old ass can flex because apparently when you're stealing money, you got to flex because I guess those are the rules. And when his wife is like, where'd you get all the money for this car? Sandy tells her that one of his accounting clients gave it to him as a gift. And I guess she just like believes him.
So there's like half a million dollars of luxury goods chilling at the bottom of this lake. Regardless, local police eventually find it, and the FBI finds Sandy wherever the hell he's been hiding, and bam, they arrest him. And I don't have a mugshot, but here's a picture of him in real life. And of course, after all this, his wife tries to play it off like, I had no idea he was stealing.
This is news to me. Sure you didn't, lady. And anyway, Sandy gets sentenced to 10 years in prison, while his wife gets sentenced to five years probation.
And so now his petty cash theft scheme is working. No one has noticed, any money is missing, his wife believes his story for some reason, and that is when Sandy is like, I wonder if I could take even more. And so being the bakery's accountant, he comes up with this whole elaborate scheme to use the bakery's check writing software to embezzle money from them and pay it to himself.
And he starts off by basically writing himself a $20,000 check and funneling it into his own account. And again, it works. He's able to do his accounting abracadabra and cover his tracks and no one at the bakery knows this money is missing. Because here's the thing about this bakery. This bakery looks like a small town place, but these guys actually sell a lot of fruitcakes.
You have a little bit of a problem. OK, so I'm going to give you an opportunity to be honest with me. OK, because when you opened your door, I saw the bottle of vodka.
You don't have the warrant to do that. Actually, I have probable cause because I observed alcohol.
Unfortunately. No, I have a right to not let you search my car. We're not doing this.
I have a right to not let you search my car.
These are your choices. You can go stand by that squad car with these two gentlemen, okay? That's your first choice. If you do not want to do that, your second choice is I'm going to put you in handcuffs, okay? You can't search my car without a warrant.
We gave you the opportunity.
Stop talking. Take a deep breath right now.
Take a deep breath.
Ellie, take a deep breath for me. Take one, right?
I need to take the vape. No, you can't. Come on. You can't? Then give me $27 because I just paid all my, I paid. I'm going to put it in your car, okay? You're going to put it in my car? I'm going to put it in your car right now. Okay. Can I hit it first? No, you can't.
These kids and their vapes. But anyway, so they're trying to pat her down and search her and she really starts flipping out and the officers, they can't control her.
Stop trying to bite.
Ellie, stop digging your fingernails into my hands.
Who asked my vape? Who asked my vape? Who asked my vape?
No, you don't have a bail until the judge sets it. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. You'll be fine.
It's going to be okay. It can't be here tonight. It's not going to be okay at all.
Hi, miss. I'm Officer Costner with Crystal Lake Police Department. We're just talking to you because we got a couple of complaints that you might have been swerving on the road.
Losmachen?
KΓΆnnen wir.
Und ich glaube, er kann sie nicht f*****gten, weil sie fΓΌr die Stadt arbeiteten und nicht er persΓΆnlich. Also mΓΌssen sie alle zusammenarbeiten in diesem toxischen Umfeld. Und schlussendlich sagen diese Mitarbeiter, f*****g all das. Und sie entscheiden, ihn runterzuholen. Und an einem Punkt bekommen sie endlich eine MΓΆglichkeit, wenn sie bemerken, dass Tellez nicht selbst bei all den Regeln spielt.
In Wahrheit kommt er ziemlich nahe mit einem einzelnen Mitglied des Betriebs. Dieser Frau. Ihr Name ist Roberta. Und Tellez und Roberta, ihr wisst, sie sind immer am Arbeiten, sie haben viele geschlossene Besuche zusammen, sie essen zusammen, gehen lange LΓ€ufe zusammen. Und ziemlich schnell bewegt sich Tellez in den KΓΌhlschrank neben ihr.
KΓΆnnen wir.
Und so sieht der Chef all das und sie sind so, okay, es sieht aus, als wΓΌrde er mit diesem Arbeitgeber schlagen, was ein gewalttΓ€tiger Staatsanwalt in dieser Position nicht tun sollte. Und auΓerdem ist Tellez verheiratet. Das ist nicht illegal, aber es ist ein schlechtes Aussehen fΓΌr einen ΓΆffentlichen Offizier. Und das macht natΓΌrlich die Mitarbeiter noch schlimmer.
Und Karriere machen?
Na klar, kΓΆnnen wir. Was du aus deiner Zukunft auch machst. Wir kΓΆnnen alles, was kommt. Das Handwerk.
Und manche von ihnen starten mit formalen Befragungen. Aber die meisten von ihnen denken, dass es Office-Politik ist, also sagt die Stadt, dass sie nicht viel tun kΓΆnnen. Und was tun diese Mitarbeiter dann? Sie entscheiden sich zu beweisen, dass diese unabhΓ€ngige Beziehung tatsΓ€chlich stattfindet. Und sie beginnen, Detektiv zu spielen.
Und eines Tages wartet einer von ihnen auf Tellez und Roberta, sich zusammen zu verlassen. Und dieser Mitarbeiter folgt ihnen. Weil er will, dass sie auf der Kamera fangen, sich verarschen oder schlagen, oder was auch immer es ist, was sie tun, wenn sie sich im Geheimnis treffen. Und so folgt dieser Mitarbeiter Tag nach Tag nach Tag.
Vormachen, mitmachen, stark machen?
Und nach etwa zwei Monaten folgenden sie rum, bekommen sie tatsΓ€chlich diese Fotos in einem Parkgarage. And there they are in the car together in the backseat doing something. And here you can see Tellez getting out and here you can see Roberta getting out and straightening out her dress a little. And so now these employees have what they need.
Evidence of an inappropriate relationship between a government official and his staffer. Dann entscheidet einer der Mitarbeiter, dieses Foto von Tellez und Roberta diesem Mann zu geben. Gehrman. Und Gehrman ist 69 Jahre alt und er ist ein investigative Journalist. Und er ist der beste investigative Journalist in Vegas seit Jahrhunderten. Er hat frΓΌher auf den Mob und so etwas recherchiert.
Dieser Junge ist old school. Und so interessiert er sich fΓΌr all diese Dramen. Und er investigiert. Und er interviewt ein paar damalige und ehemalige Mitarbeiter. Und natΓΌrlich geben diese BΓΌrgermeister ihm alles. Und im Jahr 2022... Boom! Publiert Gehrman einen Artikel ΓΌber Tellez im Las Vegas Review Journal.
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Und er verΓΆffentlicht das Video von ihm und Roberta in der RΓΌckseite des Autos dem Publikum. Und natΓΌrlich sehen die Leute den Artikel und denken sich, was zur HΓΆlle ist hier los? Und natΓΌrlich macht all das Tellez wirklich schlecht aus. Nicht zu erwΓ€hnen, dass seine Frau nicht so glΓΌcklich ist mit diesem sogenannten Verbrechen. Und so verpissen wir Tellez ab. Und er wird das nicht verlassen.
KΓΆnnen wir.
Nun, geht Telles und mΓΆrdert all diese Frauen, die das tun? Nun, wir kommen zu dem. Aber zuerst muss Telles antworten und er stellt mehrere Statements, die sagen, dass er nicht wirklich ein schlechter Boss ist und dass nichts zwischen ihm und Roberta passiert. Sie ist nur ein Co-Arbeiter und sie treffen sich in der Parkung, manchmal in der RΓΌckseite, um Arbeit zu diskutieren, im Privat.
Und auch, dass er seine Frau wirklich liebt und er wΓΌrde niemals auf sie scheiden. Sure, buddy. Now, as bad as that is, Gehrman isn't done. He keeps investigating and he keeps interviewing people and getting dirt on Tellez and he publishes three more articles about him and all of them make him look terrible. Not only that, it's an election year and Tellez is up for re-election.
I'm Rob Tellez and I'm your Clark County Public Administrator. But unfortunately for him, all of this bad press is just killing his campaign. In fact, one of his subordinates, like one of the staff who has hated him this whole time, is so pissed off at him for being such a terrible boss, she decides to run against him in the primary election and she ends up winning.
So now, Tellez's political career is basically over. And when his tenure ends, he's going to be unemployed. Und so wurden die Arbeiter im BΓΌro gegen ihn, die Presse gegen ihn, und Gehrmann wird seinen fΓΌnften Artikel ΓΌber ihn verΓΆffentlichen. Es scheint also, dass Teliz nicht so viel tun kann, um all das zu lΓΆsen. UNTIL... Jetzt kΓΆnnte Teliz vielleicht ein wenig auf die Seele suchen.
Wahr machen, mΓΆglich machen, schΓΆn machen, Freude machen, Sinn machen?
Vielleicht selbst auf sein eigenes Verhalten reflektieren. Und versuchen, herauszufinden, was er falsch gemacht hat, um all diese Leute zu verletzen. But that's not what he does. Instead, he decides to blame everyone but him for his downfall. Specifically, he focuses on one person, Gehrman. And he comes up with a plan to get revenge and make sure Gehrman can never write about him again.
Zuerst setzt er sich auf eine Kleidung an. Ein rot-orangen Shirt und eine Hatte, um seinen Gesicht zu verstecken. Ich glaube, er will sich wie ein Stadtarbeiter aussehen. Dann nimmt er einen Knopf. Und dann fΓ€hrt er nach dort, wo Gehrman wohnt. Er parkiert sich dort. Und dann kommt er zu seinem Haus. Und eine Nachbar-Sicherheitskamera hat ihn tatsΓ€chlich aufgenommen. Und du kannst ihn hier sehen.
Dann kommt Tellez auf das GebΓ€ude durch die Seite der TΓΌr. Und er versteckt sich hinter der TΓΌr in den BΓ€umen. Und er wartet. FΓΌnf Minuten spΓ€ter fΓ€hrt Gehrman aus seinem Haus durch die Garage-TΓΌr. Und er geht ΓΌber die Seite des Ortes, wo Tellez versteckt ist. Und plΓΆtzlich... BOOM! Tellez kommt aus den BΓ€umen und hat den Knife. Und BAM!
Er stΓΌrzt Gehrman wieder und wieder und wieder, bis er unbewusst ist. 24 Stunden spΓ€ter findet ein von Gehrmans Nachbarn seinen KΓΆrper und ruft die Polizei an. But here's the thing about Gehrman. He's an investigative journalist. So all his friends and work colleagues are also investigative journalists. And they aren't going to let this murder slide.
So this politician just murdered someone. Let me tell you what happened. Sein Name ist Tellez. Tellez ist 45 Jahre alt und lebt in Nevada. Eines Tages, 2018, wird Tellez als ΓΆffentlicher Administrator fΓΌr Las Vegas ausgewΓ€hlt. Und das ist fΓΌr ihn groΓartig. Und das erste, was er macht, ist, dass er in dieses BΓΌro kommt und sich ein paar Γnderungen macht. Er hirst ein paar neue Mitarbeiter.
And so some of them start putting together a list of some of the people who might want Gehrman unalive. Old mob bosses, crooked casino owners, people like that. And they decide pretty quickly that the person with the biggest motive is probably the local politician Gehrman keeps writing about.
Und natΓΌrlich sind sie richtig, denn die Polizei hat das ΓΌberprΓΌft und sie haben herausgefunden, dass das Fahrzeug, das an der Szene des Verbrechens festgelegt wurde, Telles' Weibes Fahrzeug ist. Auch DNA, das unter Telles' Fingernahlen gefunden wurde, ist Ghermans DNA. Ich meine, sie finden alle Art von Sachen. Und so, bam, die Polizei arrestiert Telles. Hier ist sein Mugshot.
And he goes to trial and he's found guilty and he gets sentenced to 28 years in prison. Wow.
Und er beginnt, die Mitarbeiter der vorherigen Administration zu halten. Wie Trash. Wie wenn er mit ein paar Leuten Fleisch trinken wΓΌrde. Er holt immer auf diese Mitarbeiter. Er gibt ihnen Aufgaben, die nicht ihre Verantwortung sein sollen. Und wenn sie ihre neue Rolle beantworten, geht er auf sie ab.
KΓΆnnen wir.
Pause machen? KΓΆnnen wir. Platt machen, ganz machen, neu machen, Mut machen, gut machen, besser machen?
Er legt auch ein paar verrΓΌckte neue Regeln ein, zum Beispiel, dass niemand im BΓΌro sein Telefon nutzen darf. Er macht sogar Regeln, dass BΓΌroleute mit einem anderen in der BΓΌro sozialisieren. Wie, sie dΓΌrfen nicht sozialisieren. Und das f*****gt diese Mitarbeiter natΓΌrlich ab. Und sie f*****gten Tellez.
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So this guy has one dream in his life.
Just sit down and we'll get your documents here in a minute. Okay, I'll go for another walk again and wait. Okay, no, don't go for a walk. Just stay here. I don't need you to walk here and everywhere. I need to find where you're at so we can just give you the documents. I'm sure it'll be just another minute.
Okay, can you just step outside and just wait there? Because once I get the documents, we can just hand it to you. I can't be here all day while you're going on a walk.
OK, can you just stay here for one minute and then we'll get you your documents, OK?
You're making a bigger, you're making a bigger issue than me.
I'm not a dog.
Stay right there. You're not moving anywhere. You're waiting for your documents. Unless you want to leave, you're going to be trespassed and you'll be arrested in your return. I want my papers. Come sit down. You're not blocking the doorway. I'm not a dog. Get off the phone. No, I'm calling my mom. Get off the phone.
All right, she was trespassed. They're getting her documents right now. I'm waiting. She used to be arguing there with me. I told her to sit down. She wants to call her mom and stand the door open. Go outside. All right, let's go outside.
Okay, and that's fine.
Okay, if you do not get up right now, you're going to jail.
I'm outside!
I'm not playing any games!
They do not have the documents ready for you right now, and that's the end of it.
So this guy is in big trouble. No, not this guy. This guy. And it's all thanks to this pop star. Let me explain. Now the pop star, her name's Sabrina Carpenter. You know who that is. And one day Sabrina needs to shoot a music video for one of her songs. And she and her crew, they want to shoot it at this church in Brooklyn.
I guess Sabrina's dancing somehow un-blessed it, and so now he has to re-bless it. I don't really know how any of that works, but it all seems very silly. But anyway... Here's where the story gets crazy.
Because of this Sabrina Carpenter sexy music video fiasco, the church leaders launch an investigation into the pastor, and they start looking into the church's bookkeeping, and they find something really suspicious. Apparently, Pastor, who was in charge of fundraising from 2019 to 2021, he had transferred almost $2 million of church funds to a random law firm and a couple of other companies.
And these money transfers were allegedly never approved by the church. So what is this law firm and these companies that received all this church money? Well, they all seem to be connected to this guy, Frank. And Frank is the former chief of staff for this guy. who we'll call Mayor Eric.
Now Mayor Eric just so happened to be running for mayor of New York City between 2019 and 2021, the same time those $2 million money transfers were made. So it looks like the church was illegally funneling money to the mayor during his mayoral campaign. And so now, boom, the feds gotta get involved because this seems like a much bigger issue than Sabrina's sinful dancing in the church.
And so the feds investigate. They investigate Mayor Eric, they investigate the pastor, and they find that allegedly Mayor Eric had been accepting bribes in exchange for favors. Not only that, he also allegedly, he had friends of his, like the pastor, loaning out money to companies who would then have their employees make donations to Mayor Eric's campaign. all of which is illegal.
So they send some producers to scout out the location and producers get there and they end up talking to this guy. who we'll just call Pastor, because he's the pastor of the church. And Pastor's like, sure, you can shoot your little music video here. And they agree that Sabrina's people will donate $5,000 to the church.
And so the feds start accusing Mayor Eric and the pastor of essentially defrauding New York City out of $10 million, all to help him get into office, which he actually did end up getting into office. So this looks really bad for the mayor. And here's actually a picture of Mayor Eric and the pastor and Frank.
By the way, here's the mayor there, and there's the pastor, and there's Frank, the former chief of staff. Now, just as Mayor Eric's preparing to run for election again to get reelected, bam, he's formally indicted on five federal charges of bribery, fraud, and soliciting illegal foreign campaign donations. And this story goes public, and it blows up, and it's all over the news.
And some of his staff resigns, and city officials who aren't connected to any of the crimes resign. They're like, I want no part of this. And then Mayor Eric's got to go and get on TV and respond to all this chaos.
And by this point, the people of New York City, they don't like this. They don't like Mayor Eric anymore. He seems shady. And they're like, dude, you're corrupt. You got to step down. And even members of his own political party start calling on him to resign. It would be best for Mayor Adam Spencer. But Mayor Eric sees all this pushback and he's just like, nah, bro.
And he stays in office and he continues to be mayor. Not only that, he's currently in the process of running for reelection. So he is definitely not backing down. Meanwhile, Sabrina Carpenter's over here and she's laughing about the whole thing.
Now, we're going to pause this story for a second because I need to talk about this guy again, Luigi. Now, if you've already forgotten about Luigi because we all have TikTok brain, here's a quick recap. Luigi is the guy who allegedly became disillusioned with the US healthcare system. Then,
he allegedly got so angry that he traveled to New York City and unalived a healthcare CEO outside of a hotel with a 3D printed pew-pew. He then allegedly fled from New York City to Pennsylvania and boom, he got arrested a few days later in a McDonald's when a McDonald's employee ratted him out. Now he's sitting in jail waiting on his trial. So all that happened, and kaboom, Luigi's case blows up.
And it's all over the news, the whole country's talking about it. Now apparently, Mayor Eric sees this Luigi case, and I guess he sees it as an opportunity for like a photo op for himself. Even though he's under indictment himself, and is potentially a criminal himself, he wants to make himself look good by making an example of Luigi.
So they agree on a date, and later, Sabrina and her film crew, they show up, and they shoot her music video, and at the end of the shoot, they leave, and the church goes back to normal, and everyone got what they wanted out of the deal, and everyone lives happily ever after.
Now, Luigi is scheduled to be extradited from Pennsylvania to New York where his alleged crime occurred. And for this extradition, Mayor Eric orchestrates this insanely unnecessary perp walk for him. With like a million law enforcement all surrounding Luigi, you can see this ridiculous show here. And in this perp walk, Mayor puts himself right in the middle of it. Because, of course he does.
So not only do you not need this comically large group of cops to escort this one guy, but why do you need the city's freaking mayor to be part of a police entourage during a perp walk? It makes no sense. My opinion? It's because the mayor wants the photo op. He wants to make himself look like he did something. And maybe it's to distract people from all of his alleged fraud and taking bribes.
I don't know. Regardless, people see this and they get pissed off at him. And they start calling him out. Even Luigi's lawyer calls him out in a hearing.
Anyway, Mayor Eric's corruption trial is this year, and we'll see how it goes.
Until sometime later Sabrina's music video finally drops and like all of her other music videos it blows the up getting over a hundred million views on YouTube.
Now in this video you can see Sabrina dancing around and singing in the church and supposedly some of her movements in the video are provocative but to be honest that doesn't really look all that provocative to me but whatever it's not my church. Regardless, I guess the video somehow makes its way over to the bishop of the church. And the bishop is pissed.
And I guess a lot of the church leaders are pissed too, and they're all clutching their pearls like, oh my heavens! And so Bishop goes and he demotes Pastor and strips him of his pastoral duties, partly for giving Sabrina permission to shoot a music video in the church. Then the bishop also has to, I guess, re-bless the church? Like, here's a picture of him throwing holy water all over the place.
And while he's out on bail waiting for his trial, he's posting all over TikTok, still trying to flex like life is good.
Hey, so I have to come on here and tell you guys that obviously I'm not on drugs and I'm just sad and breaking out. I'm off birth control and I am not doing well.
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I just didn't expect this to actually happen, because most of the people were just always laughing.
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If you're engaging in criminal activity in order to increase your ratings or increase your sensationalism on YouTube and you cross the line and violate the law, you're going to be prosecuted.
Stokes Twins are charged in connection with a pair of videos where they allegedly faked bank robberies. The Twins were just charged with false imprisonment and falsely reporting an emergency.
We've had the police calling us like all day.
Und das ist, weil...
Oh, what could possibly go wrong?
you guys saw all these things happen and like a bicycle moved on its own and somebody got pushed in the water and you guys were making that up yeah that looked kind of goofy the bicycle just kind of running off on its own and then it's also just like childish where you just like mess with the old guy's hat and stuff throwing water i'm like what this this man's a penis
It's one of those things where like back then, you know, that's like bad, you know? You freak this out. You don't think about the times. They're just like, yeah, that's rude.
Bleach, yeah. Because it sucks all the color out of things. What an insane, like, back venue. It's like, whoa! Now they're like, come on!
I still have rage and anger. I can't even go out at night. I have a fear to go out at night. The RCMP and what they did...
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These email addresses that sort of like names, again, that you would never guess that I will give them at some point in their lives when they're older. But before I go to bed almost every night, I email them. I email because it doesn't have to be a heavy lift. And you email them like, here's your report card from today. Oh, my gosh, was it the funniest thing this morning?
Or here's a picture of you two having breakfast. Or here's you playing with the things that you're not going to frame, the things that you're not going to put pen to paper in a journal. But they will end up at one point in their life, maybe when they're 16 or when they're 18, that I say, here's an email that I've been keeping for you. I have full body chills right now. For your whole life.
Yeah.
Oh, whoa.
Whoa. What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
No. Again, you have an ear.
Whoa, dude. What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Okay. All right.
5.5.
I have no taste yet. Here we go. What? What? Is this gum? What? What? What? It might be gum. What? What? What? What? What? Is it gum? What? What? Bruh. Bruh.
No, I don't think it's gum.
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Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Hey, sorry for asking.
Who'd you vote for?
When God sings for this creation, will a turtle not be part of the choir?
Why...
Look at that.
And it was... Why am I going to cry? It was... such a beautiful display of solidarity with anyone who mourned in that moment that this is really the reality we live in.
Here are the lyrics. And I'm going to cry again. Let me just cry through it, okay?
Oh, pardon me, monk fruit. Monk.
So let's go ahead and dissect this.
Head first. Scary monkey.
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How do you think I felt?
You had to put your real helmet on to get that. Black tape. I did black tape some of that shit.
Yeah. Like, that was always, that was always my threat. If you bust my windows, this the girl that said, I'ma bust your back and bust your thighs and I got more money than you.
No wonder you like Kevin Gates so much.
Are you crazy as hell? And I got more money than you, so I can bust your windows way more than you can bust mine.
But I can show you my windows, Your Honor, with my pictures.
Yo, everybody looked nice.
You brought them out? It was all right. It was cool. It wasn't last year. It wasn't last year, but it was a nice turnout. Okay. Dope. Happy birthday to Rashad. Salute to him. Shout out to the brothers.
Hey, dog. How do you run out of gas at this age? Yo, on the turn. Yo, you know when you're coming up 8th Avenue, you turn on 50th? Right, my nigga, at the turn. You live in Jersey. You don't have to pump the gas. I know. I was just rushing, trying to get there. All my procrastinating talking shit. Ran out of gas. Right in the middle of 50th Street.
So how late were you to the event? I probably got there like... 12. Oh, I know that game.
No, now I got lucky. I'm dead ass. It's a gas station on 51st and 11th. Yeah, the mobile.
The mobile. 51st and 11th. So I jumped in the cab. I walked to the corner. Nigga made a left.
Got the gas. I was back in... 10 fucking gas can was $27. Yeah, it's right there.
The one, that mobile is the only one that. There's one downtown. No, it's a BP on like 30-something and 10th or 30-something. Oh, I didn't know that.
It ain't a lot, though.
Luckily, like, the cab was right there, in and out.
Ah. The itis, the farts. Nah, I knew the club was over for me because, nigga, what time we going? Oh, we get there like 1.45, 2 o'clock.
You know where the city is.
It's an hour from here. An hour.
No commentating for you. Look at her face.
Because when I do this to your shit, don't bitch. That's fucked up. Don't do that. When I do this to your people, don't bitch.
Literally every single day.
You all wilding, son. You cut Busy off on First of the Month and Easy off on For the Love of Money.
And they get so close to you, yo, that nigga like, right here, that nigga right here, like, Nat, get your fucking Nat ass off my ear.
The strippers annoy me when they do that. But they work. That's their whole shit. No, nigga, I got Tanya right here. Let's go, Ish. Don't just come, like, that's disrespectful to Tanya.
It could have been a bunch of shit.
My first guess was Carp and Manassas.
They put the heater next to you to speed up the decomposition to get rid of the Forensics, yeah.
But if that was the case, then they would leave the dogs out.
And my knee fucked up. Just letting you know life ain't sweet. Don't let the knee do it. No, my knee fucked up now.
And they look at you like King Kong, nigga. You could take it.
Everybody be naming their kids funny shit now. Sire and shit.
When they got on the plane, she stayed on the ground.
And grabbed a gun to make sure they got away safely.
So that means that she came after they did. So it might have been some other people that came with her. Is that what you're saying?
Okay. I'm with Jill.
Ex-wife. That we've never seen. Gold X-Wife.
It's a few things that ain't tie into me yet.
It might be the son. Because he was leaving encrypted messages to the son on MP3. You don't remember? He kept going to the library. He was making almost like a... With songs. And I think the son going to hear some shit on those tapes that he might come back and pop them. I don't know. They did a good job. That last episode was incredible. Episode seven was really good. Incredible.
He's looking at the screen.
Hey, yo, dog, you going to talk? I would have definitely at least tied her ass up. She would have got shot. I was going to, yo, dog. She would have gotten shot. I said that before this episode came out. I don't trust nothing you're saying. You're a snake, pal.
Actually, you give me the daughter back. I wouldn't even have known she had my daughter. I'm not going to hold you. I would have shot her before we even got that information.
That shit is out at 12. He told me that and I watched that shit. I was like, oh, got it. It came out at 12. Okay.
I think Big T has given that nigga some behind the scenes, I got you, do what the fuck you want. And he like, word? And yo, fuck y'all niggas.
We don't have an official language. Trump told them motherfuckers yesterday, the entire Republican Party, if y'all don't like the way Elon is moving out here, I'm getting y'all the fuck out of here. Mm-hmm.
Elon Musk is a herb. Yo, look, so I don't give a fuck. Niggas got kids. I come here, yo, dog, niggas going to move around their kids, bro. Most instances. So I'm on the team. Sign me in, coach. That's what they doing. Kiss the ring. Yeah, they kissing the ring. Everybody. Nigga said, yo, you Negroes got me fucked up. Y'all are stupid. Yeah, he up there with bravado, too.
You can't say that on somebody's podium.
I don't know if I would do it. I'd definitely do it. Hearing y'all say it got me a little more intrigued. I don't think so.
But I'm talking about people that I call real friends. He's a people's person. Yeah, I got over 20.
How did you know?
Joe, you all right?
You can put bullshit in the chorus.
Shoot me up, doc. What? You're crazy.
And you got a couple dollars?
No, I'm just saying, even the guys that he fights, they may not have the... public cache, but it be good fights. Like, niggas be fucking tank up till he decide to step back and hit him with that motherfucking uppercut.
What's up? It won't work. It's unfortunate. I don't want to sound pessimistic.
Nah, that's what I was about to say. It ain't that many mom and pop stores no more. So Target and Walmart in certain areas, nigga, you don't have no choice. They swallowed up the mom and pop.
No, they really trying not to have black people spend money for 24 hours so it shows the power of our dollar.
So they basically saying if we don't put our money in circulation, then people will see it. Who chose the date?
They got to keep the crew there. They got to keep all the people there for an additional two weeks. Got it. Got it. Some shit like that. Yeah. Yeah, I can see it.
It was lapses and days between the shows.
Before you issued the whole tour schedule and itinerary, that should have been figured out.
Because the other people penny-pinching for real. You know what I'm saying? He got enough money where...
He got enough money that if it was three-day gaps and you had to house everybody and all of that shit for three or four days, the smaller acts can't afford to do that.
Yeah, the people tight. The people mad.
But when you start talking about hip-hop rap beef, the record sales and all that shit go out the window.
Nigga, I'm robbing y'all. You're taking something with you.
Should be able to buy whatever you want. Just because I'm... Niggas don't want you to buy a hot sandwich. Yo, my nigga, just because I'm financially challenged, that don't mean that I'm supposed to eat shitty food.
Number three, you ain't coming over here, so I want y'all to mess up.
Yeah, what I'm talking about is what the girls be putting in.
Hey. The album is heat, I'm telling y'all. This is hard. The album is heat. This is hard. I seen a lot of Jim Disrespect going on out there too about his catalog and I think a lot of y'all just are not familiar.
I saw some MPVs.
No, I ain't no. On fire. More your fault.
Yes, Nick, on fire.
Yo, I was on fire, son. Nah. What'd you say?
You think they know the tricks? She never told me. Nigga, she been in a relationship with me forever. Nigga, what the fuck is you talking about? We going where we going to get the breaks done. We going where we going to get the pads and the shoes, all that shit.
No, if she would have told me my breaks is bad, I would have worked all the stuff out.
Mm-hmm. Maybe less than that, depending on how much the rotors cost. Because I don't know how much the rotors cost for her car. Depending on what city you go in. Like, her car, the rotors might be a little more expensive, but I don't know. You crazy? Yeah, that was nuts.
I think if you're a good enough man, you could teach any woman. Let's go, Ish.
Snoop and them came out here and tried to do a video shoot in Brooklyn.
Back in the day.
And got their ass ran out of Brooklyn. Remember when Snoop was crushing the buildings and all that shit? Snoop and them came out here back in the day and tried to do that shit in Brooklyn and they got their asses ran out of Brooklyn. I think that when you go somewhere and you are purposefully antagonizing the people, then what comes with that is a potential consequence.
And I think that as adults, we should know better than to go in the ops neighborhood and shoot a video over there.
Wait. My man live around here. I was dropping them off. Corey know them. Ice know them.
So don't say nobody else is a nut or redefined at 50 because they picked a friend up and went to a place. And dropped him off.
But if I wore a blazer, I wore a blazer. What's your point?
That's not your hood.
Oh, shit. Yo, that nigga said you got to hurr. You look good, man.
Niggas is outside. You jump out. Them niggas, not the friendly friends we got. Them niggas, you jump out and you eye.
Okay, so the real, real. It's friends, and then it's friends. Got it, got it.
One, at no point did any pupil, parent, colleague or senior manager ever confide in me, at the time or thereafter.
I would have made an intervention and reported it.
He wanted some now and laters Was just living his life Never said I'ma kill you With his own kitchen knife Wasn't great with the ladies So he started strike three Yelled at his dad only Winston understands me
How many rings does Obi-Wan have?
What does that mean, C-3PO? The dark side of the force? What does that mean?
What's his name and he? What's that guy's name? It's Tom Noonan character.
Luke Starkiller. Yeah. He's trying a little too hard. You think that's trying too hard, but Darth Vader is... Darth Vader is just like... I think it's Darth.
You could also just be like, you don't have to be like, how many bullets does he have? It's just like you get a total. So the guys get hit and they just go right down, but there's no wound or anything.
I wasn't there. Didn't have it yet. You have anyone that's aged the worst before we go?
Best that guy award. This movie's 50 years old. I got Peter Cushing. I had him as well. Grand Moff Tarkin. You're going to be like, that's not a that guy. He's in all the Hammer movies.
I know. I'm just saying, 50 years later?
Dion Waiters Award. Vader's in the movie for 12 minutes and has to win.
Yeah.
Thanks, Tutal. Cruz. Scorsese or Spielberg? Spielberg. Agreed. What world would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? I have any situation where he could say, Luke, how's the peeping?
Yeah, because we're just going to sit here and be like, actually, Bill, in Ahsoka, that was explained.
All right.
I think this is the third one.
Yeah, that is cool.
Take that tool around Hancock Park. What's that?
Yeah. Luke's...
Bill, way to go, man. Bill! Craig? What a treat. Hold on, Craig's up. What do you got, Craig?
Are they gonna find her?
Compactor.
That's actually the name of a fan's favorite Axel Braun movie. Garbage snake.
I think it was a sacrifice for a longer game. How did you feel about Sir Alex's little twirl move? Kind of slow. Yeah, we can get into that.
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Also, in jeder von den iPhones, die wir in GLP-1 haben, kannst du Diarrhoea haben. Mit den Γ€lteren Versionen haben wir mehr Auswirkungen, also mit Semaglutide, dem Osempek und Wegovi sehen wir mehr Nausea, mehr Schmerzen. Und mit den neuen Versionen, wie ich erklΓ€rt habe, sind sie sicherer, es gibt weniger Auswirkungen, also sehen wir viel weniger davon.
Aber du musst das, was du isst, verΓ€ndern, sonst verlierst du Muskeln. Because you're just losing weight at this point. Exactly, because you're decreasing your caloric intake and you're just going to be losing fat, water and muscle. So you're going to become dehydrated and sarcopenic, right? So that's not a healthy way either.
So you do need to increase your protein intake, lean animal protein intake. Start doing some whey protein shakes for supplementing, not to replace your meals, but to supplement to not lose muscle and to get the right results.
So that's the problem with society that we have right now is that we see weight loss as something cosmetic, right? As to fit in a dress, as for something social or we associate thinness with health, right? So it's our own bias when we say somebody is using it for vanity or it's just a vanity drug. It's because you yourself are seeing weight loss as something superficial.
Weil es eine Menge Missinformationen gibt. Ich habe auch ein Buch geschrieben, weil das, was ich seit meiner eigenen Praxis gemacht habe, wirklich was ein GLP-1-Treatment aussehen soll, um die richtigen Ergebnisse zu bekommen. Und das ist KΓΆrperrecomposition, richtig?
But it goes way beyond that.
Yeah, definitely. That's something that we're seeing more. And there are studies that show that women that are on hormone replacement therapy tend to lose more weight than the ones that are not when they're taking a GLP-1. So this is to say that there are great options that we have now in midlife.
I think I keep saying that it's a good time right now to be in midlife because we're having all of these options. The fact that you're going to gain weight or not sleep or have all those symptoms, now we have options to not have to wing it and just like... Wir kΓΆnnen GLP-1s fΓΌr Schmerzen verwenden, wir kΓΆnnen Hormonvergleichstherapie verwenden, um uns zu schlafen, um ΓΌberhaupt gut zu sein.
Ich denke, es ist groΓartig, dass Frauen wissen, dass es MΓΆglichkeiten gibt, sie zu verwenden, und es macht mich sogar glΓΌcklicher, wenn sie tatsΓ€chlich sie verwenden.
Ja, 100 Prozent. Das ist kein Gegenteil.
It does and it's very per case basis, right? So what I look when I have a woman in midlife and is having... PrΓ€menopausal-Symptome und auch fΓΌr Gewichtsschmerzen kommt, sehe ich, was fΓΌr die Frau mehr abhΓ€ngig ist in diesem Zeitraum. Wenn sie nicht schlΓ€ft, ist das definitiv etwas, was ich verbessern mΓΆchte. Also kann Hormonreplacement-Therapie zuerst beginnen.
Wenn es eine Verwirrung der Symptome gibt, das mehr die ObesitΓ€t oder das Wachen kΓΆnnte sein, was einige der Symptome zu PrΓ€menopausen fΓΌhren kΓΆnnte, dann gehe ich mit Gewichtsschmerzen zuerst. And then I always give the options to the patients and sometimes we start both. Ideally, I like to start one at a time just to see what's the response, what did that improve and what's left.
And then we can bring the second drug in the second visit.
Es hΓ€ngt davon ab. Es hΓ€ngt davon ab, wie viel KΓΆrperfett du hast. Es hΓ€ngt davon ab, wie lange du in deinem Gewicht bist. Wenn ich jemanden habe, der seit seiner Kindheit mit Gewicht kΓ€mpft, die ObesitΓ€t durch ihre Leben kΓ€mpft,
dann kΓΆnnen sie wahrscheinlich von einem GLP-1 profitieren und es wird schwer sein, es selbst zu verlieren, weil ich sicher bin, dass sie all ihre Leben versucht haben, es zu machen, und es hat nicht funktioniert oder es funktioniert nicht.
Aber wenn es ein anderer Fall ist, wenn jemand nach der Begabung, sie sind in der Zwischenzeit angekommen, sie haben nie mit Gewicht gestruggelt, es gibt keine ObesitΓ€t in ihrer Familie, dann kΓΆnnen sie es vielleicht ohne Medikamente verlieren. Also es hΓ€ngt viel von jeder individuellen Geschichte ihres Gewichts ab.
Ich denke, wir werden anfangen, weg von Gewichtsschaden zu gehen und wir werden es renamen zu KΓΆrperrecomposition, weil das ist, was wir tun wollen, richtig? Wir wollen, dass Sie mehr Muskel haben als KΓΆrperfett. Viele Patienten kommen mit dem Gegenteil, also weniger Muskelmasse und mehr KΓΆrperfett.
Grosse MΓ€nner weinen in meinem BΓΌro, wenn ich sie von der Leidenschaft verliebe, wenn ich ihnen erklΓ€re, was wirklich ihren Gewicht oder sein Wachen oder ob sie ObesitΓ€t haben. Es ist multifaktorisch. So we're moving away from a problem of willpower, of the patient having all the control in their weight.
We understand now that obesity or weight gain, it's a disease and it's chronic and it's multifactorial. Also der Lebensstil hat einen Teil davon, natΓΌrlich, Sedentarismus oder die Art von Essen, die man isst, aber das ist nicht alles. Dann haben wir genetische Faktoren, hereditΓ€re Faktoren, richtig?
Also ich gehe immer durch den Familien-Tree meines Patienten, der Mutter, Vater, ihre GroΓeltern, ihre Onkel, ist es irgendwo, wo ObesitΓ€t ist? Very often there is, right? Hormonal changes, if somebody's in perimenopause, mid age or have PCOS or thyroid disorders, so hormonal changes can also promote waking. And then we have aging, right? Nothing that we can do about that.
It slows down our metabolism, more tendency of waking. And then the fifth one is environmental factors. All of them, putting in a broad spectrum, right? We have many other things. But in environmental factors we have Das Gebiet, in dem wir leben, wir haben Industrialisierung, die Nahrungsindustrie. Wir kΓΆnnen nicht ΓΌber ObesitΓ€t oder Wachstum sprechen, ohne ΓΌber die Nahrungsindustrie zu sprechen.
Sedentarismus, wenn man von zu Hause arbeitet, wenn man in einem Gebiet lebt, in dem es nicht geht, dass man immer fahren muss. Also all diese Dinge, sogar Pestizide, Plastik, zu dem wir exposed sind. All das kann Wachstum und ObesitΓ€t ermΓΆglichen. So when you tell somebody that it's only one fifth of the equation what they're doing, it gives them a sense of relief.
Ja, und wir glauben oft, dass die Motivation, es zu trainieren, in der Gesundheit passiert, vor dem Gewichtschluss, aber fΓΌr viele Patienten passiert es wΓ€hrend des Gewichtschlusses, oder? Entweder fΓΌr physische Restriktionen, eine Schmerz, um sie zu trainieren, Selbstvertrauen, sie fΓΌhlen sich ΓΌberrascht, sie fΓΌhlen Scham, oder sie verabschieden das Training mit dem Gewichtschluss, oder?
Aber sobald du diese beiden Dinge separierst, Und Patienten beginnen, Gewicht zu verlieren, ohne die Druck zu haben, wenn du nicht exercizierst, wirst du kein Gewicht verlieren. Wenn du nicht besser isst, wirst du kein Gewicht verlieren. Dinge verΓ€ndern sich. Ja. Richtig. Und sie beginnen, sich selbst zu exercizieren. Sie beginnen, sich selbst gesund zu essen.
Also ist es sehr einfach fΓΌr uns zu sagen, oh, die Motivation sollte vorher passieren. Aber tatsΓ€chlich sehe ich, dass die Motivation nach dem Verlust stattfindet.
So what I've been able to do through the years, it's been very successful for my patients and I wanted to give it to the people that don't have access to me or that have access to specialized physicians on GLP-1.
Du kannst. Ich meine, es ist kein implanterter Medikament, aber es hΓ€ngt von deiner eigenen persΓΆnlichen Geschichte mit deinem Gewicht ab. Wenn du seit deiner Kindheit kΓ€mpfst und du eine starke FamilienprΓ€disposition zu ObesitΓ€t hast, wirst du wahrscheinlich die Medikamente langfristig benΓΆtigen.
Wenn es etwas ist, dass die ErwΓ€rmung letztlich passiert oder mehr spezifisch zu einer Situation, dann vielleicht, aber es wird auch abhΓ€ngen, wenn du jetzt im Mittelpunkt bist, dann hast du andere Dinge, die es schwer machen werden, um den Gewicht zu behalten. Also es hΓ€ngt auch von dem ab. Aber ich will es immer in ein Positives darstellen, dann in ein Negatives.
Der Fakt, dass du sie langfristig benutzen kannst, weil fΓΌr die Das ist das erste Mal, dass wir etwas haben, das dir helfen wird, den Gewicht zu behalten. Denn alles andere kann dich dazu nehmen. Eine verrΓΌckte, restriktive DiΓ€t kann dich 30 Kilo verlieren. Aber du kannst da nicht bleiben, weil es nicht nachhaltig ist. Aber mit Medikamenten kannst du da bleiben.
So for the first time patients are reaching weight goals that they thought it was not possible and they're staying there. And many patients, and this is something interesting that I'm finding and that I write in my book, is that the after they lose their weight. What are the implications when somebody loses weight?
Because we can think, oh, when somebody loses 50 pounds, they're going to be so happy. But there's so many changes, psychological changes. They don't see themselves as that person yet.
Viele Patienten haben extreme Angst, dass sie ihren Gewicht wiederholen werden, dass sie so glΓΌcklich und so sicher fΓΌhlen in diesem Ort, dass es etwas Sparatisches ist, dass sie plΓΆtzlich zurΓΌckgehen werden, wo sie waren. Es wird fΓΌr sie entfernt werden.
Es gibt viel Anzeige daran, dass Patienten nicht in diesem neuen KΓΆrper fΓΌhlen, weil sie in einem anderen KΓΆrper fΓΌr die meiste ihrer Leben leben. Also nehmen einige Patienten Zeit, sich zu adaptieren. Der psychologische Teil dauert lΓ€nger als der physische VerΓ€nderung. Und dann gehen wir zu sozialen VerΓ€nderungen, wie Menschen dich jetzt anders sehen und wie du das interpretierst.
right i had a patient just today tell me now that i'm leaner people are nicer to me wow so all of those changes adjustments that we're just starting to see because for the first time we're having masses of people lose weight and reach goal weight goals that were never possible before right so what are we seeing in the post is something that also needs attention, right?
It's not just, we got you there, you should be happy. No, there's so many other implications. I would have to say, most of them are happy. And patients would choose to go through that now than to go back to before.
Und dann sprechen wir auch von physischen Γnderungen, wie extra Schmerzen, richtig? Viele von meinen Patienten mΓΌssen eine Schmerzversorgung machen, fΓΌr kosmetische GrΓΌnde, fΓΌr Selbstvertrauen. And also because excess fold skins can promote infection, right? So also it can be detrimental to health. And you're carrying excess weight that you know should not be there anymore, right?
So there's a lot of changes. Again, I don't want to scare patients from this. No, not at all. Most of them, all of them are positive. Aber es gibt Γnderungen, die mit dem richtigen Arzt helfen werden. Du solltest nicht fΓΌhlen, dass du nicht weiΓt, was du tun solltest, wenn du selbst bist.
Die gemeinsamen Auswirkungen sind Nase, Und wenn du deine VollnΓ€hte ΓΌbernimmst, wie wenn jemand, der sich an Bingen gewΓΆhnt hat und nicht weiΓ, wie er sich am Anfang stoppt, ist das Verhalten noch da, also braucht es Zeit, um sich zu verΓ€ndern. Es kann auch vomiten werden, wenn du deine VollnΓ€hte ΓΌbernimmst. Wir sprechen auch ΓΌber Diarrhoea mit bestimmten schwarzen oder gebratenen Nahrungsmitteln.
Yeah, exactly. The right information and the right guidance. Because otherwise it can have opposite effects of what we want, right? So many patients can up with sarcopenic obesity, also known as skinny fat. Und wir haben wirklich keine besseren Metaboliknummern verbessert, richtig? Ja, du hast 30, 40 Kilo verloren, aber du hast 10 Kilo Muskel verloren. Also ist das nicht gesund.
Das sind die normalen und nicht zu schlechten Auswirkungen. Und dann gehen wir zu den seriΓΆsen Auswirkungen, die Pankreatitis sein kΓΆnnten. Das ist also eine Inflammierung des Pankreas. Ich habe das noch nie gesehen in jemandem, der keine Diabetes hat, weil es in Theorie nicht den Pankreas anfΓ€ngt, wenn man keine Diabetes hat, richtig?
Und dann haben wir Muskelschmerzen, aber das ist kein direkter Effekt des Drogens. Der GLP-1-Analog, der Hormon, geht nicht in den Muskel und zerstΓΆrt ihn, richtig? ist der Entzug in Kalorien. Und dann reduzieren wir unseren Proteinentzug. Wenn wir in irgendeine Kalorienrestriktion gehen, ist das erste, was wir schneiden, Protein, weil es uns am meisten gefΓΌhlt ist.
Und wir wollen Raum haben, um zu essen, was wir essen wollen, weil wir weniger essen. Das ist das psychologische Teil davon. Also werden wir Muskellose haben, weil der Entzug in Protein ist. Wenn du Muskelschmerzen hast, weil du nicht genug Protein isst, wirst du Haare verlieren, weil wir Protein brauchen, um Collagen und Elastin zu machen. Also wenn du Haare verlierst, verlierst du Muskeln.
Und wenn du Muskeln verlierst, dann ist deine Haarlose aus dem gleichen Grund. Wir mΓΌssen deinen Proteinentzug erhΓΆhen und das lΓΆst das Problem normalerweise. Und deshalb versuchen wir, rapide Gewichtsschmerzen zu vermeiden. Rapide Gewichtsschmerzen bedeutet Muskelschmerzen.
So in a week you can lose half a pound to a pound that is healthy and that could be purely body fat. If you're losing more than that per week, you're also losing muscle.
More than a pound per week, you're losing muscle.
I'm going to give my predictions, because you heard it first for me. I think we're going to change everything. wie wir Medizin praktizieren, weil GLP-1. Ich denke, wir haben medizinische SpezialitΓ€ten auf die Komplikationen von ObesitΓ€t gebaut, weil das war, was wir damals zu behandeln hatten.
Wir hatten die Medikamente, um Type 2 Diabetes, Hypertension, Hochcholesterol, Osteoarthritis zu behandeln. Wir hatten nichts, um das Hauptproblem zu behandeln, nΓ€mlich den Γberfluss an KΓΆrperfett. So now we can do preventive medicine. We're going to prevent all this chronic complications. So I predict that we're going to have less type 2 diabetes.
And this is going to be in the future generations. It's going to take two to three generations for us to see this. But we're going to have less chronic disease. We're going to live longer. We're going to have less incidence of certain types of cancer that are increased risk from obesity, breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate, stomach. Our military is going to be healthier.
Three out of five in the military are overweight or have obesity.
Sounds big, but our health is going to be, it can be our Achilles tendon or it can be our superpower. Right. And I feel GLP-1s are going to allow us to go to the next level. I'm seeing more and more people want to weight train, concentrate on muscle, wants to feel strong. Why? Because now they can.
Now that they relieve the fat loss, that we know that something works for fat loss, now they can concentrate on feeling strong and building muscle. So we are going to be able to get to the next level as a society when we decrease obesity in our country, in our world.
Also wirklich, was ich in diesem Buch sage, ist, dass wir in dieser Zeit nicht genug berufliche Praktizierer haben, aber mit diesem Buch mΓΆchte ich, dass genug Patienten auf dieses Thema beruflich sind.
My social media is Dr. Salas Whalen. My webpage is New York Endocrinology. My office is here in New York, but I do telemedicine. And that's where they can find me. And then my book is coming December 30th. And again, it's going to be pretty much everything I do in my office translated in a book. So people cannot get to you.
Ein GLP-1 ist eine Hormone, die wir in unserem Blut produzieren. In unserem kleinen Intestin in Bezug auf das Essen produzieren wir diese Hormone in unserem Blut. Unser eigenes GLP-1 funktioniert sehr gut, aber das Problem ist, dass es in zwei bis vier Minuten von dem, wo es verΓΆffentlicht wird, unterbrochen ist. Ein GLP-1-Analog, das wir aktuell als Medikamente kennen, Osempe, Wegovi, Monjaro,
Das ist eine synthetische Version unserer eigenen Hormone, die langfristig designt wurde. Deshalb kΓΆnnen wir sie einmal pro Woche oder einmal pro Tag benutzen. Sie ist nicht von der Enzyme, die unsere eigene GLP-1-Hormone zerstΓΆrt.
I like to describe them like the iPhone. Wir haben verschiedene Typen von iPhones, die alle das gleiche machen, aber die neueren iPhones sind besser, verbessert. Okay, ich mag diese Beschreibung. Es gibt mehr verschiedene Apps, mehr Dinge, die man machen kann. Es ist also das gleiche wie bei den GLP-1s. Wir hatten frΓΌher das iPhone X, das die erste GLP-1 war, die tΓ€glich zweimal am Tag war.
Und dann kam das iPhone 12 und wir hatten das GLP-1, das einmal am Tag war. Dann kam das iPhone 14 raus und das ist so einfach, dass man es einmal pro Woche benutzen kann. Und jetzt haben wir das iPhone 16, das ist der Sepatite, mit Sepp von und Monjaro. Und nΓ€chstes Jahr kommt das iPhone 17, das wird Retatrutri, der neue GLP-1, richtig? Also jedes Zyklus kommt einfach besser und sicherer.
GLP-1s are going to allow us to go to the next level.
Also wir haben Rezepte fΓΌr diese Hormone ΓΌberall im KΓΆrper, aber vor allem in unseren Pancreas. Es hat Rezepte, also jedes Mal, wenn du etwas isst, das dein Glukos und dein Blut erhΓΆht, lΓΆst es die Pancreas und produziert mehr Insulin. Okay. But this response is glucose dependent, meaning your glucose level has to be elevated above normal to have an effect in your pancreas.
But if you don't have diabetes or your glucose is constantly normal, it's not going to touch your pancreas, so they don't cause hypoglycemia. In unserem Blut haben wir Rezepte fΓΌr diese Hormone und was sie tun, ist, dass sie die Hormone der Satiety erhΓΆhen. Also die Hormone, die dich voller fΓΌhlen. Und dann zwischen den Mittagessen verringert es deine Hungerhormone.
Deshalb essen Patienten kleinere Portionen von Essen durch lΓ€ngere Zeit der Tag. In unserem Gehirn, in der amygdala, in der hedonistischen ErnΓ€hrung, haben wir auch Rezeptoren fΓΌr sie. Und was sie tun, ist, sie blockieren ihre Bewertungsreaktion, entweder von Futter oder Alkohol. Was bedeutet das?
Wenn du fΓΌr Futter rechnest, wenn du anstrengend oder mΓΌde bist oder Depression hast, dass du erwartest, eine ErlΓΆsung zu fΓΌhlen, von Futter oder Alkohol, dann blockiert es das. Wenn man Hunger hat und sich fΓΌr Futter befindet, dann ist das keine Reward-Response. Das ist eine FΓΌllung, eine Energie-Response, richtig?
Aber wenn man isst, auch wenn man schon voll ist, fΓΌr eine andere Art von Response, dann blockiert es das. Also am Anfang, wenn man anfΓ€ngt, diese Medikamente zu nehmen, kann das Verhalten immer noch da sein. Also man geht dafΓΌr, man befindet sich dafΓΌr, aber man hat keine Reward-Response mehr.
Also man sieht es und denkt sich, It's not giving you back that, so your behavior changes.
You still eat and when you eat, you enjoy your food, but then you get satisfied with a smaller portion and then it's out of your mind.
FΓΌr die erste Zeit haben wir Massen einer BevΓΆlkerung, die einen Drogen benutzt haben. Also werden wir mehr und mehr Feedback von Leuten sehen, die mit der Medikation zurΓΌckkommen. Aber wir sehen auch, dass es einen anti-inflammatorischen Effekt hat. Also wΓΌrde ich sagen, die Patienten beginnen sich besser zu fΓΌhlen, auch bevor eine gewisse Gewichtsschmerze stattfindet.
I like to describe them like the iPhone. Different types of iPhones all do the same, but the newer iPhones, they're better. It's the same with the GLP-1s.
Exactly, they feel less inflammation, their joints hurt less, they're sleeping better. And I really think, one, it has some anti-inflammatory property, direct anti-inflammatory property, also by decreasing your visceral fat, you're decreasing inflammation. But what happens really quickly is that Unsere Nahrung von Essen reduziert sie dramatisch.
Also wenn wir gesetztes Essen, ultra gesetztes Essen, zu viel Zucker oder zu viel Salz essen, dann ist all das pro-inflammatorische Substanzen. Wenn du mit halb so viel reduzierst, fΓΌhlst du dich sofort besser.
Die erste GLP-1, die in Menschen isoliert wurde, wurde in den 1980er-Jahren von Forschern ausgebildet. Aber, wie ich schon erwΓ€hnt habe, ist unsere GLP-1 in zwei bis vier Minuten unterbrochen. Also konnte nichts damit gemacht werden.
In 1992, etwa zehn Jahre spΓ€ter, ein Endochronologen und Forscher am BA-Hospital, dem Veteranen-Hospital in der Bronx, Dr. John Eng, isolierte das erste GLP-1 auΓerhalb eines menschlichen KΓΆrpers. Und es war in einem Lizard, dem Gila-Monster. Was er sah, was dieser Lizard in dem Venom machte, als er ein Verbrecher attackierte, gab es Pankreatitis.
Er war ein Forscher in Diabetes und Endokrinologie. Er wollte wissen, was in dem Bannum das Pancreas des Tieres beeinflussen kann. Und es war eine sehr Γ€hnliche MolekΓΌle zu unserer eigenen GLP-1. Aber die Unterschiedlichkeit ist, dass diese GLP-1 nicht von der gleichen Enzyme gebrochen werden konnte, wie die menschliche. Es kΓΆnnte also eine langweilige GLP-1 sein.
Und das war der erste GLP-1-Exzenitin, der 2005, etwa neun Jahre spΓ€ter, verabschiedet wurde. Und es wurde fΓΌr Type 2 Diabetes verabschiedet. Und eine andere interessante Teil der Geschichte ist, dass er, als er das entdeckt hat, es zum Veteranen-Hospital in Manzana, in der Bronx, verabschiedet hat. Die BA sagte, wir sind nicht interessiert. Also musste er sein Haus bezahlen,
um es selbst zu patentieren. Er hat es zu einer Endocrine Society-Konferenz genommen, in der Hoffnung, dass ein Pharmazeutiker interessiert wird. Und Amlin, ein Pharmazeutiker, hat es gesehen, kam zu ihm und hat den Patent gekauft. Das ist faszinierend.
It's a good time right now to be in midlife because we're having all these options.
Kannst du dir vorstellen, Mount Sinai, das VA-Hospital, das das Patent aufgenommen hat, das es nicht glaubte und das unsere Leben revolutioniert hat und die Art und Weise, wie wir leben werden? Wir werden lΓ€nger Jahre in einer heiligeren Gesellschaft leben, weil dieses Medikament.
It's just so fascinating. He saw it, he believed on it, and they didn't believe on it. And he never wanted the fame. He never wanted the fame. To the point that we don't hear about him. Nein, gar nicht. Aber dank dir machen wir das. Ja, und ich habe ihn getroffen, als ich meine Residenz gemacht habe. Oh, du hast gesagt, du wΓΌrdest fragen, ob du ihn kennst.
Er prΓ€sentierte diese Medikamente und ich war so beeindruckt, dass es eine neue Medikamente gab, die er gegrΓΌndet hat und die Patienten mit Diabetes unterstΓΌtzt hat. Weil an diesem Punkt alle Medikamente, die wir fΓΌr Diabetes haben, auf den Patienten aufwachen. Wir hatten nie eine Drogen, die auch ihre Glucose niedrig machen wΓΌrde und sie aufwachen wΓΌrde. Also mussten wir fast wΓ€hlen.
Die erste Zeit waren die Patienten auch aufwachsen und ihre Glucose wurde verbessert, also war es schrecklich. In 2005 wurde fΓΌr die Type 2 Diabetes eingestellt und 2010 kam die Once a Day Version, die Victoza.
Also Type 2 Diabetes. Und es war nicht bis 2012, dass wir die erste FDA-Approbung fΓΌr Gewichtsschmerzen erhalten haben, unabhΓ€ngig von Diabetes.
Saxenda, es ist das gleiche wie Victosa. Liraglutide ist der Name des Drogens und es war von Novo Nordisk. Im Grunde ist es das gleiche Drogens. Es ist einfacher, es damals fΓΌr die Type 2 Diabetes und fΓΌr die ObesitΓ€t anzupassen.
Wir werden lΓ€nger in einer heiligeren Gesellschaft leben, wegen dieser Medikamente. Also, lasst uns damit beginnen.
Sie gehen also fΓΌr die Type 2 Diabetes Anpassung und zeigen dann Studien, dass es auch mit Gewichtsschmerzen hilft, es wiederholt, es wiederholt und es dann fΓΌr Gewichtsschmerzen anzupasst. What matters really is for insurance. If you have type 2 diabetes, they're going to approve the brand name for type 2 diabetes.
But if you don't have diabetes and have obesity or need it for weight loss, they're not going to approve it with the diabetes name. They're going to approve it independent of diabetes, which is a different name. But if, let's say, you're paying out of pocket, it doesn't matter which one you get. It's the same drug. This is insurance purposes. Right, this is insurance purposes.
Mikrodosen ist, wenn man eine Menge benutzt, die nicht eine therapeutische Dose ist, richtig? Also, wenn die Studien gemacht werden, finden sie Dosen, bei denen wir Resultate sehen, entweder bei Glucose-Kontrolle oder bei LΓ€ngstlΓΆsung. Und dann gehen sie auf, um mehr LΓ€ngstlΓΆsung zu sehen, mehr Glucose-Kontrolle. But the first dose is at the minimum where we start seeing some sort of effect.
Microdosing is a dose lower than the first therapeutic dose, right? Really, microdosing, I see its use in the maintenance part. Once a patient has reached their goal and weight, and then we start backing off on the doses, and some patients can benefit from a lower dose than the initial dose for long-term maintenance.
But to really get the results that we're looking, you really need the therapeutic doses.
Well, many people are saying, I don't need to lose weight. I'm going to microdose to get the anti-inflammatory effect, right, or to get other positive effects. Ist das eine Sache? Wenn jemand mir sagt, ich brauche nicht zu verlieren, ich brauche deine KΓΆrperkomposition zu sehen, Nummer eins.
Wenn du hohe Muskelmasse hast, hohe viszerales Fett, dann sagt das mir, dass du eine sehr gute DiΓ€t hast, dass du lehnende Tierproteine isst, dass du Krafttraining isst, dass du nicht so viel proinflammatorische Futter, Zucker, Starche, Zucker, Salz, Alkohol isst. Dann werde ich sagen, du bekommst bereits alle Vorteile.
Okay. Okay.
Also wir haben Oral-GLP-1, wir haben Oral-Semaglutid, das ist das gleiche wie Osempec, es heiΓt Revelsis und das wurde im Jahr 2019 verabschiedet. Nun, die aktuelle Beleuchtung, die wir fΓΌr die OraldrΓΌcke haben, ist Typ 2 Diabetes, richtig?
Aber viele Male haben wir sie off-label benutzt, als sie fΓΌr Typ 2 Diabetes verabschiedet wurden, off-label fΓΌr Gewichtsschmerzen, wΓ€hrend wir die FDA-Verabschiedung erhalten haben. Das Problem mit der Oralmedikation ist, dass wir bei den Dosen, die wir momentan haben, keinen bedeutenden Gewichtschluss sehen. Wir sehen gute Glukoskontrolle, aber wir sehen keinen Gewichtschluss.
Und die Auswirkungen sind schlechter als die Injektionen fΓΌr viele Patienten.
Also mehr Nase. mehr vomiten, also um eine hΓΆhere Dosis zu erhΓΆhen, wo wir potenzielle GewichtsschΓ€den sehen kΓΆnnten, brauchen Patienten wirklich zu tolerieren. Nun, diese letzte Woche hat die FDA letztendlich die Anwendung von Novo Nordisk fΓΌr die Oralversion bei viel hΓΆheren Dosen akzeptiert. Nur um dir ein Beispiel zu geben, gerade ist die Oraldose, Max-Dose, 14 Milligramm fΓΌr Type 2 Diabetes.
Sie kommen mit einem 25 Milligramm und einem 50 Milligramm. Wow.
So, there we start seeing more comparable weight loss than the injectable, but we're going to have to wait and see if it's going to be tolerable to patients.
Ich meine, das ist kein einfacher Weg raus. Das ist nicht so, dass ich den Druck nehme, dass ich alles machen kann, was ich will, weil dann wird man nicht die richtigen Ergebnisse bekommen und es wird schwer zu tolerieren. Also, dreckiges Essen, gebratenes Essen, gebratenes Essen kann dir Diarrhoea geben, in jeder der Versionen, die wir haben.
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Ich mΓΆchte HRT und Hormontherapie und Menopausen-Hormontherapie unterbrechen. Es geht um viele Dinge, es gibt viel Verwirrung. Es gibt viele Informationen, man kann auf Instagram gehen. Jeder hΓΆrt jetzt das Wort Perimenopause und Menopause. Was ist also Hormontherapie?
Ist es fΓΌr Sie ΓΌberraschend, dass sie diese Idee zementiert haben, dass... Why are we denying hormones to women who are asking for them? I'll tell you what the real problem was. This is a conversation that should have happened 20 years ago, but we're having it now on The Tamsin Show. Let's get into it. November 2021, I was at work reading the news like I did every day.
Als ein Arzt, der alle Seiten dieses Problems gesehen hat, was war das Vor und Nach in der Angst vor Hormontherapie?
Who's going to want you?
And I started to sweat during the newscast a lot. I felt dizzy. I felt sick. I literally had to be escorted off the set. And I found myself laying on the bathroom floor mid-newscast. The truth is I had not been feeling like myself for a while. My brain felt foggy. My body had been changing. I was gaining weight. I wasn't sleeping. And I was really anxious. I was tired all the time.
And that word was being used quite a bit. You were aware. If somebody comes in your office that age.
Die VanitΓ€t davon. Ja.
So in the 90s, that's when we've said over and over again, that's the first time that women were mandated to be in studies, correct?
I went to see a number of doctors, one after another, until finally one of them wrote in my patient portal in menopause any questions after blood panels were done. Zu sagen, dass ich erschrocken war, ist ein Unterstatement. Ich war verΓ€rgert und ich war wirklich wΓΌtend, weil ich keine Ahnung hatte, dass das kommen wΓΌrde. Niemand hat mir darΓΌber gesprochen.
Das Studium wurde also fΓΌr die Leute, die gerade ΓΌber dieses 2002-Studium gesprochen haben, umgesetzt. Wir kennen dieses Jahr, richtig? Wieder und wieder. Das wurde umgesetzt, um zu sagen, hey, Es gibt einige langfristige Vorteile davon, wenn es um kardiovaskulΓ€re Gesundheit geht.
GroΓartig. Und du und ich waren in demselben Raum, als Dr. Avram Blooming laut gesagt hat, in einem Raum, in dem wir waren, er ist ein weltbekanntes Arzt, von dem ich weiΓ, dass du und er viele, viele GesprΓ€che zusammen gemacht haben, er hat gesagt, ist jemand besorgt ΓΌber kardiovaskulΓ€re Krankheit? Ein paar HΓ€nde sind hochgegangen. Ist jemand besorgt ΓΌber Brustkanzer?
Die ganze Raum hat ihre HΓ€nde geschlossen. Genau.
The study shows to look at that and then what happens, that fateful day that I know you remember well. Oh, I do. Actually, the morning after, I feel like, is what you remember best.
Und jetzt, nach dem GesprΓ€ch mit so vielen von euch, hΓΆre ich die gleichen Worte wieder und wieder. Niemand hat mir darΓΌber gesprochen. Und du hast recht. Niemand hat. Die meisten KrankenhΓ€usern und Residenzprogramme, die das nicht lernen. Sie lernen nicht ihren Studenten ΓΌber Menopause. Es ist kein Wunder, dass so viele von ihnen verloren sind, wenn Frauen kommen, um Gewicht zu gewinnen.
Sie haben die Idee zementiert, dass Estrogen Breastcancer verursacht. Was haben sie in diesem Studium gefunden?
nicht schlafen, anstrengend fΓΌhlen, schmerzen. Es gab so viele VorschlΓ€ge fΓΌr die gesundheit der Frauen, insbesondere fΓΌr die Menopause. Und wir sind hier mit einem der Besten der Welt. Willkommen, Dr. Malone, bei The Tamsen Show. Es ist so schΓΆn, dich zu sehen. Es ist immer ein VergnΓΌgen, dich zu sehen, Tamsen. Ich habe Noten, und ich weiΓ, dass ich keine Grund fΓΌr sie habe, wenn es um dich geht.
Ich weiΓ, du hast viel zu tun gehabt, und wir haben viele GesprΓ€che ΓΌber die Jahre gehabt. Da gibt es keine Frage darΓΌber. Ich denke, wir haben viel verΓ€ndert, und wir haben viel nicht verΓ€ndert. But coming off of your book, Grown Woman Talk, I feel like you're out there hearing a lot of conversations.
Aber sie sagten es. Aber sie sagten es. Und all you need to do is say those two words.
Why would I take that? Listen, most people don't know any of those details or understand them because they're very confusing. I'm calling my office and I want to know why Dr. Sharon Malone did this to me. What did you feel like as a doctor then? Was that moment just shocking? I mean, it had to be shocking. I'm sure all doctors were like, what do we do next?
Because that immediate pushback, I would have hoped, was right up there at the top with what those headlines would be, right? Well, if only we had the Internet back then. If we had had Instagram. If only we had, I could have posted something right away. I have to say, though, it is stunning for, and I understand it was a different time back then.
However, we've still had a lot of conversation about it now, but the fear is so overwhelming that it does not negate that in any way.
Has a lot changed since you left your practice a few years ago and are now hearing more talk and we're finally uttering the word menopause publicly?
You know what no one told me about menopause? That it doesn't just happen, it hits you. The brain fog, the sleepless nights, the exhaustion. I felt like I was losing control of my own body. And for a while I thought, maybe this is just how it is. But then I realized, it doesn't have to be. I started digging into the science, talking to experts and trying real solutions that actually work.
And that's why I wrote How to Menopause. Because you and I deserve answers. This book is your blueprint for navigating menopause with confidence, understanding your body and feeling stronger, healthier and even better than before. If you're ready to stop feeling stuck and start taking charge, this is your moment.
Grab your copy of How to Menopause now at howtomenopause.com and unlock some exclusive bonuses to help you get started today. You have a story and we talked about it in the documentary, The M-Factor. It's the part of the film, I think, where everybody, everyone comes into this film. It's an hour-long film. I interviewed you for it a few years ago on your birthday.
Sharon kindly came to my home on her birthday to do this interview and we didn't really know what we were doing then. We just knew that we wanted to try to get this out there. Und du erzΓ€hlst eine Geschichte darΓΌber, wo du als OB-GYN zu deiner Generalpraktizistin gehst, denke ich. Und du diskutierst, du hast deine Nachfolge.
Aber ich wΓΌrde dir gerne erzΓ€hlen, wie jemand dir erzΓ€hlt hat, was sie ΓΌber deine Entscheidung, Hormontherapie zu nehmen, gedacht hat. Ja, und ich gebe dir eine Nachfolge zu dieser Geschichte.
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My heart step was perfect. I love that. I love hearing that. Well, you do have a heart of gold. I do know that for sure. Dr. Malone, we have three questions to ask our menopause provider. What are we asking them?
Wenn du jΓΌngere Frauen Tipps geben wΓΌrdest, wie sollten sie sich fΓΌr Menopause vorbereiten, gerade jetzt?
Focus on health, not on weight. I want to talk about age and I want to go back to one thing that we've talked about before and we addressed in the documentary, but I'd like to address it here. Wir sprechen von afrikanischen Frauen, die lΓ€nger perimenopause haben, aber auch, ich weiΓ, wir haben darΓΌber gesprochen, dass es nicht genug Forschung gibt, aber auch intensivere Symptome.
KΓΆnnen wir das beantworten?
It really has. And I know you've been talking about the word menopause and treating women for so many years. And I want to go into all that because I know there's kind of this before and after. So if someone says, okay, I'm starting to experience something. I don't know what it is. I'm early 40s. Most likely without a blood test. Is that right? You could tell somebody.
Ja, genau.
Nein, ich auch nicht.
I do want to go back to that in the education of doctors. And we'll just touch on that briefly. But what you learned in medical school versus what was happening 20 years later, 10 years later in medical school, very different?
Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass du wahrscheinlich in der Perimenopause beginnst. Kannst du die Perimenopause, die Menopause definieren? Und ich weiΓ, du bist kein Fan von Postmenopausen, weil das alles eine Art Menopause ist. Ich habe dich schon lange genug kennengelernt. Ja, du weiΓt, du weiΓt den Schritt. Ich bin kein Fan davon, jetzt auch nicht.
We do better. And we have to do better. We have to do better in terms of inclusion and studies. We have to do better in terms of having studies and the money going toward them.
Of course. Of course. If it was woman-related, if it was female-related. I want to do this real fast because we did this a while ago on Instagram. We talked about who can and who cannot take hormone therapy. If we can just, in a nutshell.
Warum negieren wir Hormone den Frauen, die sie brauchen, oder sie wollen sie nehmen?
Okay.
In family history of breast cancer is not a reason to say.
How long can you stay on hormone therapy?
And what about when you can start? So you've hit menopause and then you heard about the study and were scared and didn't take it for five years. So you're five years out of your last period. Can you start hormone therapy?
And then get started.
Okay.
Exactly. Exactly. But we don't know. Genau. Und das ist es, worΓΌber ich mich kΓΌmmere, weil ich fΓΌhle, dass wir es manchmal ΓΌbersetzen und die Leute wirklich verwirrt werden. Okay, ich muss das aufbringen, weil du das auf Instagram postest. Nicht deine Moms Menopause. Das war 2001, glaube ich, bevor die Frauen... 2001. Ich hatte dunkle Haare.
But what I love about this is that you have been talking to women about all, this article could have been written today, this article, you said the good news is that women have options to help them manage menopause today that their grandmothers and mothers didn't have a decade ago. This is the same conversation we're having.
Is that mind-boggling to you?
That's exactly right. It's the baby boomers. It's brand new to millions of female baby boomers experiencing what's known as the change of life. Sharon, Dr. Sharon Malone, you've been doing this for a long time and helped millions and millions of women as you continue to do now.
If you want to leave women with one thing, and I know Grown Woman Talk, we touched a little bit about it, but I think the most important thing about that book is you didn't write a book about menopause.
You wrote a book about women understanding that they had to advocate for themselves and take care of themselves and fight for themselves and what they needed to know throughout the health span of their lives and be aware of in life in general. What is one thing you want to leave women with or that's surprising you as you come up and talk to different communities of women around the country?
Du bist so wundervoll. Vielen Dank. Vielen Dank. I have had so many conversations with Dr. Sharon Malone and I learned something new every single time. I really hope this conversation was helpful to you and at least answered some of the basic questions about perimenopause and menopause so you don't go into the stage of life afraid or feeling confused.
I just want to thank you so much for listening. And if you like what we're doing, and I hope you do, give us a five-star review wherever you listen to your podcasts. Thank you so much for listening to The Tamsen Show and I'll catch you guys on the next one. The Tamsen Show is an original production by Authentic Wave. Executive Producers Scott Weinberger, Kevin Bennett and Rebecca Grierson.
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Warum? Why would that be? Because your hormones are fluctuating. So you can start hormone therapy in perimenopause.
In 2002 hat ein Studium die Art und Weise geΓ€ndert, wie Γrzte Menopause behandeln. Frauen wurden ΓΌber Nacht von der Hormontherapie entfernt.
Wow, okay. Also war sie. Ich denke, dass Frauen darΓΌber verwirrt werden. Manchmal gehen sie von Babys oder, du weiΓt, diese reproduktiven Jahre in Das ΓΌberlappt und, keine Worte, fliegt direkt in die Perimenopausen-Jahre. Genau. Ohne Frage.
It's not as easy. Yes. Dann ist es die Menopause. Die Menopause ist, wenn man ein Jahr ohne eine Zeitung verweist. Ist das richtig?
Du hast eine Liste ΓΌber Schmerzen, die ich immer genieΓe. Aber kannst du darΓΌber sprechen? Denn wir wissen, dass du keine Wahl hast, wenn es um Menopausen geht.
Untertitelung. BR 2018
I talked to two young girls that were in their 30s, like in the same week last week, and both said, I'm so scared about, I'm so nervous about this, I'm dreading this. And I said, wait, we're not talking about this so you're afraid of it, we're talking about this so you're not afraid of it. So it made me think, like, do we need to rephrase some of these things?
And so I said, so what would you want to know? They said, when does it all end? When do the symptoms end? And I said, oh, well, let me find out, because I'm going to be talking to some people. When can we say that we start to see, because I do feel now that I've gone through menopause, I'm feeling a little more clarity. I feel like my memory is not as bad as it was in my late 40s.
Late 40s was a pretty brutal time. I couldn't have sat here and had a conversation with you without drifting off or trying to remember what I was going to ask next. When do we start seeing some of those symptoms either taper down, go away, or is it only if you are treating it?
Dr. Sharon Malone hat mehr als 30 Jahre gedauert, um Frauen mit der Menopause zu helfen. Sie ist nicht nur ein OBGYN, sie ist ein national erkennbarer Experte, ein Autor und ein langjΓ€hriger Anwesender, der fΓΌr bessere Betreuung fΓΌr Frauen kΓ€mpft. Sie hat gesehen, dass die Angst, die Verwirrung, die Schmerzen und die LΓΆsungen, die die Γrzte nicht genug sprechen.
Das wird nicht besser werden. Wie wichtig ist es, darauf zu achten, dass es nicht nur eine Vanity-Sache ist, oder ich habe eine hohe Leber und ich fΓΌhle mich nicht so gut. Das ist etwas, was man wirklich darauf achten muss.
45?
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Ja.
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We are the ones who are going to stop telling women, you're past your sell-by date. You're teaching us how to menopause. And I know I have gained so much information from reading your book.
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I think it's the only thing that you have to hold on to to be able to heal, is to have... Like, the doctor's assuring you of, like, this baby wasn't gonna live regardless. Like, our doctor being able to say, like, there was... It was unviable. It wasn't going to live outside of your body. And it's, like... It gives you some hope of, like, okay, well... At least, like... I don't know.
It just... If you focus on the scientific part, I think that's what, like, gets you through it. Which is incredibly hard to do because... As the mom, you feel everything from the second that it was a positive pregnancy test. I felt that baby inside of me. And up until I lost it, it's so real. I think it's been...
I miscarried our second child. And it was extremely hard. It's still extremely hard. Obviously, this is just not easy to talk about.
Yeah, I mean, I was spot bleeding for a while, which I didn't do with River, so I definitely was freaked out at the first sign of... blood and you know immediately reached out to my sister who had 12 miscarriages and one one daughter and she was like this is normal like everything is fine
I think I knew from the jump, but I didn't want to accept that. And then it just got heavier and heavier. I'm just so thankful that we were home. and not traveling and not in a hotel or on an airplane, but we got home and I went to go pee.
Uh, and it was like, I gave birth, you know, it was like, it was like, I did, you know, essentially. And
I was screaming and crying and Nick ran into the bathroom and, you know, you just like think like, how, how are you supposed to stand up and like flush this baby down the toilet? Like, how do you do that?
That was like, Definitely the hardest night of my life. Just experiencing that is like something I wouldn't wish upon anyone. And unfortunately, I know a lot of women do experience it. And I just like feel for these people so much because it's such a. It's like I was so mad at my body for letting it go. You know, I was like, why couldn't you just hold on to it? Why did you have to let it go?
And I was so mad at my body and I was so mad at myself. And then I reached out to my doctor and I had experienced all this heartbreak and I was so sad. And then she kind of gave me a little bit of hope of just like, there's a lot of reasons that, you know, it might not have been, you know, I didn't give her the exact description of what Nick was able to save, but she was like, come in Monday and
um we'll we'll check everything out so all of sunday i kind of had this like hope again you know which was extra dangerous i feel like just because it was like my heart was already broken just for on monday to go in and like be rebroken you know when the doctor confirmed that i had miscarried um
I just feel really grateful to have you because it was... It was the worst thing I've ever been through, but you made it as easy as it could have been to go through, and you did everything right, which I feel like is impossible to do in those situations, and yet you managed. And you still continue. I'm still... I'm still bleeding every time I go to the restroom. I'm reminded of what has happened.
I don't think I'll ever be able to go into our bathroom and like not feel that feeling.
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There's also a huge part of me that feels really shitty because every time, and I've had to take so many breaks off social media because it's like every time I get on, I see a friend or someone I follow or a stranger who's pregnant or announces their pregnancy. And it makes me so mad. And I'm so happy for them. And I have my beautiful baby at home. And I'm so happy these people...
get to experience that but i'm just so mad that it's not me and then i would get like which is also just a note for anyone in general dms of like oh i know you're pregnant you know like you've got to be pregnant and it's like every time i read one it was just like a fucking punch in the gut it's like
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And it's like, I feel like so guilty for feeling that way about people on social media or my friends or people that I am genuinely so happy for.
But it's hard in these moments to like feel that for them when you're so broken yourself.
But the fires, it feels like there's just been one after the other.
I hope one day I can come on here and be on the other side of it. I don't know when that day will be because I am very much in the thick of it right now and very much in the darkness of it all. But I feel like I've survived so many other things that I thought would break me and that I thought I wouldn't survive. And to be on the other side of all of those, I know that I'll make it.
I just can't see that side yet.
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I was definitely able to connect there. Um, but we will, we will get through it.
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I'm just here to say, first and foremost, I'm a shell of a human being currently. I've never been more heartbroken or sad. But I know that I have a family that needs me. And it's what gets me out of bed every day. And I'm grateful for that. And I love you so much. I love you too. I'm eternally grateful for you. Same, baby.
I don't know the right way to talk about it.
And I wouldn't have survived. I won't survive this without you. And I just wish I could give everyone who's ever experienced this a hug. I know it's the most empty, alone feeling you'll ever feel. And I'm so sorry to everyone who's experienced it. So if you see me posting an ad, please like it.
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I don't know if we should.
I mean, it is at the end of the day, it's like life goes on, you know, like this world isn't stopping just because I lost my baby. You know, it's like.
I'm doing this so that I can look back and I can watch this video and I can remember the love and the feelings that I have for this baby that I lost. It's the only reason I'm doing it.
because i don't want to forget i'm so scared that i'm gonna forget we'll make sure we won't you know that i don't think i told you this but the uh
Every time I walked home, I went home. Well, thanks for listening.
I think that's kind of my point of saying that life goes on because it's like, while I'm feeling these feelings and we're in it so deep, it's like we still have to get home, make dinner, put River to bed, play with River, be parents, be spouses to each other. You have to be a boss and a leader and me a co-worker. You know, it's like lives go on and we have a job to do and a show to put on.
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And so it's like, wow. laughing and joking or this and that it's like you get home and like shit gets real you know it's like i feel like the only time i'm able to feel these feelings is when river's asleep And that's why I feel so guilty that, like, you're the only person that, like, has to deal with... I'm not dealing with anything.
That's my job. So, it just comes with the territory. I mean, I, you know...
That's why we have each other. Yeah. Bye. Bye.
There's like no right way to start it or get into it. But I feel like it's, I think it's also just like, and I don't want to apologize for crying because it is so sad and I'm still feeling everything.
But I just think it's also like, I've been, like, putting on this front, you know?
I've been, like, trying to be a good mom to River and, like, come and do my job, whether it's on the podcast or on social media for the past week. And currently, as I sit here today, I'm actively miscarrying our second child. And it has been the biggest heartbreak I think of my life. I've never experienced something where I feel so empty inside. And I just, and yeah, I guess like Nick said, it's,
one of those things that, like, I've heard of. So many of my friends, you know, have sadly been through it. My sister has had 12 miscarriages, and it's like, you feel sad, and you want to be there for these people, but you don't really know the loss that they feel until you go through it yourself.
It's going to take a long time to heal from this, but it is raw and we're feeling it right now. And I think that's why I wanted to do this now because I want to show people and I want to give the mothers who have felt this same feeling like, yeah, you're not alone because it does feel real.
I mean, like, my body feels so empty and, like... I just also don't want to forget this baby, you know?
I don't want time to go on. And for this baby to have just been, like, a blip in our lives, you know? It's like... I want River to be able to watch this back.
and see her parents' love for her sibling that, like, could have been here. I just feel dead inside.
And it sucks because I have to be so alive for River, you know? I have to be silly and goofy and funny and play with her. And then I have this overwhelming guilt that when I'm with you, I can't also do that. I'm sad that the only version of me you get right now is this broken person. And I'm sorry for that.
I'm just so tired, you know? I'm just exhausted of this, like... Performing, you know? Of this, like, putting on a brave face and putting on a happy face. It's just, like, it gets so tiring. And it's also just, like, really...
confusing state I think for anyone who's gone through this you question everything you know you I look at myself and I'm like I just had a successful non-complicated pregnancy and birth and I'm 26 years old and like why why me like why did this happen to me you know I think that's also one of the harder parts because
You know, I want you to be able to feel how you feel. But it does, it hurts to know that... you know, the pressure.
Time to go home. Bye. That was horrible.
Yeah, I guess so.
Crazy shit. You're like, God, anything. Yeah. I've never been there.
Are you okay? Are we good? You're so beautiful.
It's so true.
So sick.
I was the Natalie.
Thank you.
Thank you.
They'll have houses by then.
Houseless not toothless.
Nobody knows the title.
I remember that. And we all thought it was the one. And Nick was like, I hate that one.
But I would just- You know what's crazy?
Yeah.
My morning routine takes quite a while. About five hours.
6 a.m. is early.
I am back in bed at this point. Never got out.
I want to schedule. This is serious stuff, okay? Where did I go wrong?
I meditate for 30 minutes.
Not you guys.
Yeah, he does like this.
Thank you.
I think there's a lot of life to live between 40 and 70. Sure.
I think it's weird.
So I'm Helen Keller. Perfect.
I probably would want to die. But at that point, I can't even see myself or hear myself. That's true.
Yeah.
A little bit. Well enough, I think. For the most part. What are you? A Libra. Isn't it? Yay.
Oh, yeah. Shake It Up.
October 8th. Okay. September 28th. Oh, nice.
I don't know that we were peeing in the woods.
Yeah. And then somewhere along the way, I just... Yeah, you really came through.
Girl, thank God. It's back.
Don't look like you're going to cry.
No judgment. Wow. No judgment. That's awesome in some ways.
Yeah, that's right.
Oh mein Gott.
Yeah, I'm just really sorry. I just can't imagine going through that and then having Jesse, who is supposed to be your human, your rock, your partner, terrorize you.
Er hat mich nie, er hat mich nie, er hat mich nie, er hat mich nie, er hat mich nie.
War deine Mutter wirklich stolz auf dich, dass du aus diesem Verheirat gekommen bist?
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How old were you and how old was he when you guys met?
Nick and I are 18.
okay i've never gotten that i guess i don't look as young as you what the fuck guys give it time give it time i gotta get that utah botox going then maybe i'll get child bride yeah it works for us yeah can you next when any if any of the ladies go lean into this whole like you suck dick for whatever the fuck yeah can you just be like bitch i went to work two days after i had a baby what were you doing yeah exactly lisa can't even fly lisa can't even fly coach
Did you fly coach here?
You're really rich. Like, you have wealth.
No, you're married.
I've known you for a few minutes. I already can tell you're pretty down to earth.
And Lisa pretends to be wealthy.
Do you disagree with me? No. Okay, thank you.
I don't think Lisa sees anyone's perspective other than Lisa's.
What do you mean no one's checking her? Are we the only ones?
That's a good question. How does it feel? We have a perception of you. I don't read your comments. I don't go on the blogs.
But I feel like I have a pretty good sense. You said they're nasty. Yeah. But I think I have a pretty good read of the world and life and what people are saying. And again, I think you're pretty beloved. I think you're overall really appreciated as a new housewife.
Does Bravo give awards at BravoCon or something? I've never been to BravoCon. I don't know. Because you should win it.
Maybe Todd will do a scholarship for new housewives. The New Housewife of 2024.
Welcome to the podcast.
You could hate me. Who knows what's to come? I don't hate people. I might talk some shit. I don't know. That's fine.
I mean, we had a bit of fun with your, like, only three people own this garbage bag.
What was it? A heart or something?
Yeah, but are you a filthy?
What, did you get set up?
You were talking to Heather.
You're not normally just leaving dog shit around your house.
Congratulations on being an exquisite housewife.
Mary from our team is dying to know why you named your dogs all the House of Cards characters.
I feel like I'm not, you know, I haven't been immersed in Bravo World that long, but it really feels like not only with the fans, but even with your peers, there's like an initiation process. It seems like, you know, you feel that.
You can tell Todd seems to be very protective of that whole situation.
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Yeah. But that's, yeah, it feels like with the women on your season, it's, who's this new person?
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Do you really think they're totally the victims in all this? Given how you've gotten to know some of them.
So how did you end up as a housewife? When did that process start?
But it didn't sound like you were watching as a fan, right? You had to go back and watch.
And then this is before you before I was on the show.
It seems to us and the audience that Todd really got dragged into this and fucking hates it.
Clearly, Todd's supportive. Yeah. He's showing up.
Well, I mean, how did he get dragged into not only loving it for you, but he's a pretty big part of this season, you know, compared to some of the other husbands in the franchise, so to speak.
Yeah. It gives that vibe. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, you've really you've been very authentic. What conversations have you had to have with Todd while filming that were kind of unexpected, given that like because that's what you're saying seems very true. It seems you are very committed to being an authentic housewife. You know, there's an expectations of what we do.
That's why, you know, listen, it's, it's hard. Like we can be critical of our reality TV stars because like we, we watch it and this show is kind of like covers it.
Like we cover sports, you know, we have our favorites, we have the people we root for, people we root against, but like, it is not easy to do what you all do, you know, like to bring your lives onto the TV screen and, and show that authenticity.
I'll tell you that, you know, it's not it's not easy. But that nevertheless, you despite even your husband feeling uncomfortable with this, you have been very committed to this. Has it caused any friction in your relationship with Todd?
When you say everyone, are you talking about fans? You're talking about your peers?
Why are they mad about that?
Because that's what, you know, what it looks like, just an elephant in the room.
He's older. Yeah. He's a very powerful, rich, wealthy man.
You're younger. You have this very demure, very classy way about you.
And there's been just a couple scenes that we've seen where Todd's laying down what appears to be the law. Yeah. And you're very kind of like Bambi-eyed, like, okay, Danny.
Yeah. Not okay, Danny. Yeah.
But you get what I'm saying.
And so is that just Todd being direct and curt and then we're just seeing a snapshot? We're just seeing a scene without a lot of context, you know, because it does seem like going forward, there may be a storyline from the other women trying to poke holes in your relationship with Todd.
Not that my opinion matters. It matters to me? Tell me. I don't think it should change anything.
Well, another thing we when we were picking you up at the airport to do our little bit.
Leigh Ann and Justin and I were kind of talking about you and Todd and what we watched. We watched last night's episode. And I pointed out to them, I was just like, well, whatever is going on in their relationship, Bronwyn's on her way here to record with us.
She's still very much leaning into being a housewife. They've already filmed. Yeah. So clearly, Bronwyn is still being a housewife and she's still you know what I'm saying?
So for anyone suggesting that Todd, who we can tell clearly hates this whole thing, is somehow in charge of you and you have no agency. Well, that clearly can't be true because you're still very much being a housewife. You're still here talking about it.
You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, you kind of almost have to think past the character that is a bra when on housewife.
I don't think you should change anything. I think Salt Lake City is the premier housewife show right now on Bravo. It's everything. There's a lot of expectations that come in. And just even as fans, I think as fans of anything, we are hesitant to accept new. We're always like, I don't know. Are they going to be as good? And you and even Brittany, you two are kind of caring this season so far.
I was telling Leah and Justin... I personally didn't have a problem with that scene. I get why he's getting the criticism, you know, anytime we see a man, especially older and powerful, who gets aggressive, it can read a certain way.
We understand that. But like, yeah, it felt, it felt like Todd, someone crossed a boundary. Here he is in this environment. There's cameras around, things are going on. And he's just like, clearly we didn't like talk, you know, before we sat down, this wouldn't come up. He was caught off guard and was just like laying down a very clear. Yes. regardless of what people might think about him.
And that's the thing about boundaries. We all love to talk about boundaries, all love to throw the word around.
They're not pretty and everyone finds them. No one likes your boundary because your boundary is you cutting off access to other people who want access to you in some sort of way. And no one likes a boundary, which is why it's so hard to enforce them.
It's a good quality.
Can tie a parallel part.
Was the necklace a little bit of dick measuring?
I mean, if you can buy your wife a $5 million necklace around a bunch of people who can, it's kind of fun.
Are we still not getting along with Heather?
I always have. I find Heather confusing. Oh, tell me.
I want to like Heather.
Because I think she seems really smart. I really like her takes at times. She's very funny. She's very funny, but she's always living in someone's shadow. She's like, when Angie pointed out how she knew her in high school and she always wanted to hang out with the cool kids, it was like I fully understood Heather in that moment.
But Heather seems like she doesn't know how to be the leader that she's capable of being.
Well, we love her differently.
I'm just more talking about just like this season, she seems like Lisa's minion. Previous season, it was like she was Jen Shah's minion.
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I usually find it to be the latter.
I think you realize the truth after a while. You realize sometimes, you know, Natalie and I have this conversation a lot where I'll be like, these people aren't your friends. They're not our friends.
At first, when you meet people, you hang out. People can be friendly. But to me, friends are people who have your back in uncomfortable situations. And there's very few of those people.
And we love Bronwyn's perspective. But we don't have to focus too much on Britney. But she is at least messy and vulnerable. And I am interested in her mess.
I believe that.
Well, I believe that only because I feel like, well, from what I'm hearing, I'm not going to blame Lisa.
In her mind, I see it. But like, you know, it sounds like you guys were like casual friends, acquaintances, knew each other, you're friendly. But now now you're sharing literally the spotlight, you know, and you don't back down and you don't get in line, so to speak. And I think very much Lisa expected you to get into your place.
What do you think?
He seems like he has good taste. Tanya's great taste.
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I thought you were going to say we bought a house for them.
Does Todd have a little bit of a naughty kinky side? Of course. Because it seems like... How do you think we've stayed together all this long?
Todd laughed and you could tell him like, this guy likes to get a little naughty.
It's like we would use them if we could.
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Mary did have a problem with you flying your friends private and then letting them fly coach.
It was just kind of fun to see Lisa panic.
Who, if any of the housewives are misunderstood and how are they misunderstood?
Where do you stand with Whitney? Are you guys close?
On the mid-season tease, it suggests that Whitney reaches out to Monica.
Do we have some fun fashion looks to look forward to the rest of the season?
We learned that on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Do you guys ever interact with each other?
Yeah, it's pretty good.
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Yeah. Period. Yeah. Let's rewind a little bit.
I'm more of a Cocoa Pebbles guy.
And then we'll get back into Salt Lake City.
But we, and the audience, we want to get to know you.
Who was the last of your housewives that you have hung out with post-filming?
What did you guys do?
Your backstory, like who you are, where you come from.
You don't think Brittany is a victim of her relationship situation?
You do think so?
Well, that we may not know?
No, I get it. He's scummy. He sucks. Yeah, the worst. At what point is it kind of like your fault?
Fool me once, fool me 13 times.
Yeah, I don't know that it's ever your fault, but you definitely don't have to engage anymore. You definitely can leave at any point in time.
Well, I guess when I say your fault, it's more like, you know, at what point, yeah, are you putting yourself in a situation where the situation's very clear what the situation is, and you're refusing to look at it in an honest way?
So like, where were you born?
So, Whit, you mentioned you were a fan of Housewives before you went on. Which franchises were you watching the most?
New New York. They need to shape up real quick. We're falling off.
Okay. Are you following this season?
Where do you fall with Jen, who both seems very sweet, you want to root for her, but similar to Brittany, at what point is it kind of like, man, you're really putting yourself and potentially your kids in some very uncomfortable situations.
For anyone who is wondering, especially in mid-season, given how much people think Todd hates being a house husband, are you fully committed? Are you back if they want you?
But if you get asked to come back, are you in or are you personally unsure?
I feel like you're implying that the Lisa's and the Meredith's and the Heather's of the world have a say.
Stall for time. I just don't really care one way or the other.
So maybe Todd shouldn't come back. If he wants to, great. I think it makes for fun scenes. I think he's a compelling character given, like, obviously his background, his wealth. But, like, he's not the main character in why you're there, you know? And, you know,
While I understand the audience's perception of the relationship, but like I said, I also understood and respect someone who doesn't care what people think and can set a boundary. You can tell he's doing it for his wife.
And is a little surprised.
I hope they say thank you.
Did you grow up?
Well, I know you got to go. Yay, thank you.
It's been so much fun.
We like to have fun with our guests. Well, again, I think we really enjoy you on the show. We hope you're back for many more seasons. Yay. You've done such an excellent job of being a housewife. And so thanks for being so entertaining.
Thank you guys for listening. We'll see you back tomorrow. Bye, bye, bye.
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How did you meet Todd?
I love that you say that.
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That says so much about you.
The fact that you went to work two days after the fact.
Well, because obviously a part of your storyline has been like, you know, gold digger kind of vibes and things like that. And, you know, now we find out we're talking to a woman who went to work two days after she had a baby.
When you met Todd, how did you break the ice in terms of being a single mother?
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okay to acknowledge someone else's pain finish the sentence this this season of salt lake city for meredith was blank like how would you summarize it this season of salt lake city was enlightening enlightening how was it enlightening
I love that. How, okay. So many, so many potential questions from your answer.
How, how have you changed or how, what did you learn about yourself? And then let's go down the, what did we learn about the ladies?
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Who meddles the most in trying to break you and Lisa up, do you feel?
Why do you think that?
But you you would say you and Lisa are closer than ever.
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What is inaccurate about that perception that I might have of Lisa?
How long have you and Seth been married? Total. 28 years. 28 years. Yeah. Holy shit.
What almost caused the divorce?
Is that on the shopping list?
Yeah, but I think the only one that they have right now is the foot pillow. So they have a butt pillow, a foot pillow and a back pillow. This like company. How do you keep it clean? The one that I'm talking about, I don't know what any of these are, but the one that I'm talking about is like you take the lining off and wash it. And then the inside is like dries very fast.
Can you give us any tips and tricks for the people listening?
I didn't do anything to make you sad.
When was this reunion between you and Seth?
Somehow I have the feeling I might be the only one. You might be the only one.
I think it's a very exclusive club.
Yeah, exactly. Only two people in it, me and Seth.
I haven't found that reality TV and relationships often... you know, work well together at times. Or you have to be very strong to survive, you know, the drama that is, you know, what you ladies do. Because, I mean, truly, I say this all the time, if someone knows what it's like to be on reality TV, certainly not what it's like to be in your world, but just, you ladies do. Regardless of...
The commentary, we talk about the show and we love it as fans and whether we're like team, you know, Meredith or team Whitney, like all of you ladies give a lot of your lives. You know, I love the Salt Lake City opening in a way that like, I don't think other, I love how you guys really talk about how authentic and how vulnerable each of you are, you know, and you... And it's tough.
It's tough to maintain a normalcy, family, the relationship. So much is put out there for us to judge and criticize, and that must be very difficult at times. So for you guys to not only make it work, but to reunite during that period is really something.
It's not on your list.
Well, it's sold out, so I had to write sold out.
Oh, is that the one that says sold out?
Maybe she'll be nicer when she finds out you got her some cool shit.
No, you have to make a bath pillow.
You and Seth, like right now, stronger than ever, doing well?
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Especially with couples, right? Because I think, you know, Natalie and I, when we met, she was living in Savannah. I was in LA. So when it's long distance there, there's an excitement. to call, download your day, whatever. But once you have a routine with someone, you live together when you're catching up. It's like, how was your day? It's like, good. Okay, bye.
No, you do. You need to draw bath pillows next. I like this. That's a great idea.
It's harder to just sit down and have a chat and connect when you feel like you know everything about that person in person much easier just to You can connect in a million different ways other than words and things like that and communicate that way.
Well, I was telling the team we should get like a 12-piece bath bomb centerpiece. And then Justin was like, they're too hard to find. They're too in demand.
wrapping up what he's been working on and and moving on and so i'm hopeful that we're excited maybe be in columbus lesson with you more okay yeah because i i just i think during the palm springs episode i feel like with you know he had to leave and i feel like there was like online speculation is like oh is this going to be the beginning of of like something wrong with meredith and seth but like for the most part we're doing okay
How did you guys deal when you guys did file or when it was like, Ooh, I don't know if we're going to make it. How did you guys communicate that with the kids and how did you, yeah. What is that like from a parent? You know, hopefully now and I never deal with that, but I'm sure over the years there'll be moments of disconnect and we'll have to work to, to stay connected.
But that must be very scary and challenging to feel like you're in this disconnection with your husband and, and, and considering divorce, knowing that you have children? And then what are we going to say? What was that like? And how did you guys handle that?
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Is there anything from this season, because you talked about being reflective and being able to admit you're wrong, is there anything looking back?
Because I would, I mean, shit, when I was on TV, something happens, you're in a fight, you leave that, and like you said, the benefit of TV is you get to go back and have it replayed and assuming everything is shown as it airs, you can sometimes be like, oh, well.
Do you think it's because there's a little bit of, I guess, fear of what they think you could be capable of because you have the education and background that you do as opposed to someone else saying something? It just seems more or less harmless.
I will say, would you rather be liked or respected?
Sometimes you fear people you respect. Just because you fear someone doesn't mean they're bad or capable of doing something bad. Maybe you're just like, you fear what they're capable of. Especially if you're in the wrong sometimes.
I'm fine with people being afraid of me, yeah.
Speaking of people being afraid and fear, you are still in communication with Jen Shaw.
You must have immediately assumed it was Jen.
Do you like gifts?
She was just calling to say hi? Just check in?
Didn't ask you like to bake a cake and put a spoon in it or anything like that?
No, none of that. None of that. No smuggling.
Yeah. And how do you kind of, as a friend, how do you reconcile with that versus, you know, hey, she did a thing. It wasn't great. There's certainly victims involved. I think anyone in our lives that we care about
You know, we want to offer grace for the same reasons that we hope people offer us grace, you know, if we fuck up, you know, and then we have to kind of measure the fuck up versus like, am I even capable of doing like that or something like that?
And so how have you reconciled your relationship with Jen versus like what she did and kind of where she is now, if there has been any growth or, you know, reconciliation on her part?
And I think Natalie, my wife, who's sitting right next to you, would probably not give me a lift if I listened. Yeah. And she knew I'd get something from the heart.
But you're willing clearly to give her the opportunity to see if she has.
Is there any part of you that would want her back on the show?
No, but we would love to know if it was. Like, if casting or the producers called you up to Meredith, we're just struggling here. Not really sure what we should do with Jen. We trust your judgment.
You have great taste. What do you think, Meredith?
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You know, I feel like and I don't know if you're this way. I mean, you have three grown children. So I feel like maybe you've learned this throughout the years of like maybe someone will say, oh, God, I would love like I just need a good pair of black boots. You know, I need a good, you know, just like rent. They'll say that in January, maybe or June. And then you clock that. You think about it.
Like a friend of...
Would you rather have Jen or Monica back?
Has Jen apologized to you or the other ladies for whatever lies she may have told or deception she might have kind of portrayed between?
What part with Monica do you think she needs to take accountability for? Like, you know, it's been a while since we had Monica here and interviewed her. And certainly she was very defensive of her POV.
I think it was a lot of remaining the like, I never said anything about the women on the show. That was the other people who were running the account. I think she still stands by that.
Yeah, but from your, I guess your point of view, Meredith, just between you and Monica, if Monica called you up and was kind of like, hey, Meredith, what's up? What would you want to hear from her for you to be open to the possibility of considering Monica was heading in the right direction?
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What did you think of Heather announcing in her book that Coach and Monica shared some sort of relationship kiss moment?
Where do you stand with Heather?
Clark's? I don't know.
Where is May Lee in all of this? I feel like she's been introduced and then she kind of... M.I.A.
Who makes boots? Highlands? Highlander? Oh my gosh.
Yeah, so I do have to... I made, Nick, a full PDF of pictures, the link, the size, the color.
Maybe after she got roped into high body count hair. Her bump it. Her bump it, yeah. Her bump it with Britney. She was like, you know what? Maybe I'm done with these people. I've had enough.
Look, I wouldn't blame her.
From a TV standpoint, I've really enjoyed the newcomers in Browen and Britney. They're very entertaining. How is your relationship with both of those ladies and how do you see their kind of arrival onto the scene?
Can you tease which one in particular?
Bronwyn strikes me. We got to interview her. We met her. We saw her at Kathy Hilton's party. Why weren't you at Kathy Hilton's Christmas party?
Yeah, Brow and her vibe, which is why I partly just really enjoy her as a housewife, is sure she can be messy. She seems to want to be a good housewife and make her mark. But she does seem to be willing to take accountability. She seems to apologize pretty easily. Do you agree? Disagree?
Britney, I mean, TV-wise, I didn't realize how much I enjoy watching her until Palm Springs when I was like, wait, what's missing? It's like Britney. I do struggle, though, just as a new father. It's been a challenge for me, and I'm curious, as someone who's gotten to know her, to see her, you know, I love that she's out there dating.
I love that she's still pursuing love at this stage of her life. It's sometimes harder to watch when she references her disconnect with her children, almost as like an afterthought, you know, just like how it comes across.
how do you see that have you guys have any conversations about that obviously kind of a sensitive issue with children involved but like she does bring it up you know is that as tough for you as someone who's obviously very protective and very involved in your children's lives for for brittany to at least seemingly prioritize some of these messy men over her children or is that an unfair statement i don't know enough about her situation to know if that's a fair or unfair statement
She had an announcement and she did spend time with...
How have you managed your public life with your relationship with your children? Because I don't know, I imagine that must bring challenges, especially when you're involved in drama or whatever. Are your kids pretty cool with that? Has it ever created any ripples in terms of frustration with your kids for having to protect their mom? I don't know.
yeah sometimes you just don't know i i just think it's very nice you know i look at it as she's setting me up for success you know she's making the list she probably checked it twice and then and i click that link and i see if there's in stock okay i think that's fair right i think that's good maybe i should be a little kinder to my husband and set him up for what has been the best gift you have received from seth my children uh i thought you're gonna say an orgasm i'm
I'm just trying to think of all the things that young kids or young adults or teenagers might take exception with their parents being on TV.
And, you know, there's a lot of discourse online, which I kind of see both sides. I think one side, you know, you have some people being like, should we be watching this almost feels like too intrusive. On the other side, I really have appreciated how Mary has addressed this very sad situation and the vulnerability that she has presented.
And I thought it was just really brave of her as a parent to say, To me, it wasn't about taking blame, but I think sometimes in situations as parents, a lot of people are like, oh, it's never your fault, or your friends will be like, oh, you know, which I completely agree. There's a lot of things that are outside of our control.
I just really appreciated Mary's willingness to consider the possibility that she had a role to play, and not for blaming herself, but what seemed obvious to me is that all Mary cared about was her son and her son getting better. And she was willing to take whatever accountability she needed to if there was accountability to take just for her son to get better.
And I just really thought that was a really positive and healthy message to kind of share with the world, even at the risk of airing something that seemed very personal and sensitive. I guess, how do you see it and how do you balance that on your own and with your family between trying to figure out, like, should we be airing this out and sharing with us the world?
Or, hey, this could have a positive impact on maybe other people's lives who are struggling with who have kids struggling with addiction and things like that. So, yeah, how do you see it?
With, like, very traumatic situations like the one Mary's going through, despite all the drama, are those things that bring the group together and kind of like, hey, despite any differences, you know, we need to come together for Mary, who really is, you know, it's one thing to be fighting about who said what or what when we're spreading, and then there's another thing to have a friend in need because her son is, you know, trying to survive.
No, I have to put the kids first, sorry.
Have there been any kind of follow ups with Mary since the revelation, you know, in terms of checking in?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The kids come first. That's it. Goodness gracious.
yeah jumping ship just a little bit where do the rumors the airbnbs the like you don't live in a real you don't own your own house like where is this coming from why is it still being brought up yeah it's kind of creepy how obsessed they are with like my lifestyle it's weird that she just like doesn't own her own home and every season it's a new home and they say it's like airbnbs and it's like
Yeah, so kids, love. We love our kids, great. Yeah, the kids are great.
And what's the criticism? I don't know.
What are they trying to get to the bottom to?
What do you make of just kind of like what seems to be a Salt Lake City, like Hollywood awakening in a sense that obviously you ladies are crushing, you know, many, most of us, including me, think Salt Lake City is the best housewives on TV right now.
You have the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu that we got to interview them. You know, also very entertaining television show. I think Bravo's investing in a real estate show.
Selling Salt Lake City or something.
What do you think is going on in Salt Lake City? What makes all of you so dynamic and interesting? And why do you think everything that Salt Lake is putting out right now seems to be really working?
Did you like that? We had our first. She's 10 months old and we spent a lot of time kind of asking parents like yours who've done it, have had success with parenting, like the age gap. Like, do we do we jam it all in? Do we get it over with? Do we spread it out? Like.
You're not putting coffee creamer in your Dr. Pepper and pickle juice?
No, I don't do those soda things.
What do we want to wrap up with, Meredith, if we had one more question to ask you?
Well, we want to be respectful of your time, so we know you got to get going. I could probably talk to you for hours more, but, you know, if, yeah, did we get out everything you wanted to get out?
Who was lying about Alibaba?
Because remember, it was the clue. It's the woman and the candle.
Maybe I'm forgetting. My understanding of the Alibama, I was team Whitney at the time. Maybe you can clear it up. It just felt like my understanding of a lot of you ladies have successful businesses, bath bombs. I guess she did a bath bomb. I can see why that irritates you. Regardless, I didn't understand.
I didn't really understand. I don't even know if it was Lisa or whatever, but the rumor that Whitney was doing something wrong because she was like repurposing, I don't know, stuff in Alabama, which seems to be my understanding. A lot of people... That's kind of, isn't that the playbook? I don't know.
How did that get turned into, from our standpoint, it being seemingly like Whitney was being shady?
It just seemed like the accusation towards Whitney was that Whitney was, I don't know, doing something that she shouldn't be doing.
With her business.
I forgot about those. I didn't. I didn't. I had a hairstylist buy them for me. I think they look great.
How is that hairstylist taking the reaction to your bangs? We haven't even talked about it.
I mean, I didn't mind the reaction. I thought the whole thing was hysterical. No, it's iconic. It was meant to be fun and funny. And, you know, I think it was fun and funny. And if you didn't like it, I'm sorry. I was having fun. You committed. Yeah. How do you not show up with bangs? It's Audrey Hepburn.
Howdy, we saw Mary's reaction to Lisa wearing the same outfit that she has worn. Is that kind of like a no-no in the Housewives? It's like, I wore that first.
I think my dad has this flannel.
I love it. Meredith, this has been so much fun. Thank you for coming. It's really been a pleasure.
Before we let you go, can you give us one accent that people like to say is fake that I don't believe is fake? I think it is real.
Do you love an impression of yourself?
We'll never tell you to be quiet.
Can I be honest? You almost like shape-shifted into Lisa. You almost look like Lisa. You even have her mannerisms down.
Convince Lisa to let me leave her outgoing voicemail, please. Hey, baby gorgeous.
Do you like an impression of yourself?
Yeah, I do like when someone does that. Are you going to do it? Oh, no, Mary. The rumors and the nastiness. You want to talk about the husbands?
Thank you. That was actually really good. Thank you. Thank you. I love you.
Meredith, so much fun. We appreciate you.
You guys are amazing.
Best of luck the rest of the way. Are you definitely back next season?
Is that your plan?
Are you anticipating being back next year?
Go figure it out. You should take over those followers. All right, now we gotta go. All right, bye Meredith.
That's a good piece of advice. Yeah. Obviously, y'all have just filmed the reunion. How are you feeling post reunion?
Very true. Could you preview for us the reunion in the sense that who was on your list of you were hoping would be accountable?
Hi, thank you for having me.
Do you think maybe it's just like they just assume, you know, maybe from past situations that like it was you because like you seem I think a lot of people think, well, you are very smart. You have a lawyer background. I think in previous seasons, it was like, you know, when I got into Salt Lake City, it was always like Meredith Mark.
We're so excited to have you.
She she can always like find the tea and she kind of maneuvers that way. Do you think that was accurate maybe in the past and not so much this time? Or do you think that reputation is this kind of completely unfair?
I'm happy to be here. How have you been? I feel like I want to ask 50 questions all at once, but yeah, how are you?
Do you ladies have a rule between what rumors are discussed in platform? Because sometimes it's like, even on the show, and I don't know how much is the show, where it's just like, I think it was like the Whitney, the Alibaba stuff. I don't know where that came from. But it was like, I think Lisa was like, well, this is happening and this is what people are saying.
And now it's like, well, now the rumor's out there. And whoever the rumor is about, most of the time, Well, especially if it's inaccurate. But either way, you were just like, you don't want the rumor out there. And it feels like sometimes the group kind of picks and choose which rumors to talk about. Like, how do you guys decide? Or is that just like an individual basis?
Yeah. And if someone's, you know, coming after your husband, I would be very protective as well.
I forgot about that scrawl.
How do you move forward with Angie if it is like this constant thing where, I mean, we have seen her apologies that aren't the best apologies ever. And if you feel like you're just chasing one, how do you move on?
Like what'd you have?
Kind of that seasonal ickiness.
Yeah, just yucky. Were you able to enjoy the birthday?
If you were to try to just radical empathy, from your POV, how do you think Angie sees this situation? What's her perspective of why there's such a disconnect between both of your POVs on this situation?
Number one, she herself is- Do you think she would agree, be like, yeah, I've never really liked Meredith since the beginning?
I do think you are able to be the bigger person. I mean, I think we especially saw it in this last episode where at the dinner table, you're like, OK, maybe I don't know the full story about the whole slut shaming and high body count hair. And you were able to be like, I think, you know, I'm sorry and I don't know the full story. And it would be nice to hear that from her. I agree.
So do you want to talk about it now?
I mean, that's like, I'm not going to, but she will.
We'd think we'd be here a year ago.
Yeah.
Weeks? Yeah, it took about, I don't remember exactly, but it took about a couple weeks.
Yeah.
Two hours later? Two hours. That was fast.
He messaged me back right away.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Thank you.
Yes.
He's more of the cook too.
I don't know.
Oh, you too. Yeah. Okay. TikTok. TikTok.
Yeah.
Yeah.
At the LA Fitness?
Yeah, you learn a lot about Hollywood or how just TV is made or just like what B-roll is.
Have they tried to keep in touch with you? A little bit, yeah. A little bit.
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It's a great song.
You heading back after this?
Does Wilson have a farm in Kansas? Where is he at?
You love to be self-deprecating, it seems like.
I'm really smart. Ship gears. I'm the greatest.
Whenever you do settle down, do you see the appeal of like, no, what are you going to say? No, more like, you know, dating someone who does the same, like another music star. You'd like to more show.
Yeah, they got all, like, deer. You big, you big, you've been a hunter for a long time.
Do you think you get a lot of your inspiration when you are kind of unwinding back at home, just kind of disconnecting?
It was one of the two.
Some sleigh bells.
I like it. A little sleigh bell.
what do you think uh the most one of the most surprising things about you is or like things might people might be like probably how smart i am okay what do you mean like like what people wouldn't know about like you're into like a guilty pleasure like you know like you're a big fan of mariah carey's all i want for christmas is you know i like this i like that rihanna song uh you look so dumb right now what's that song so dumb right take a bow oh yeah there's a video of her doing that that's not how she sounds
He was definitely still wearing skinny jeans back then.
No, she asked me to make meatballs, and I was like, okay. It was like a potluck, and I make some fucking good meatballs. Wait, did he make the little barbecue meatballs?
No, they were big. Because that's what we have at our thing. No, they were big.
Homemade marinara sauce.
And then I made them. And she was like, you should make meatballs. I was like, okay. And then it was Thanksgiving dinner, which I just don't like. I'm not a big Thanksgiving dinner guy.
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What was the moment where you went from just playing the guitar with your friends and being like,
That makes sense. Cause it's not something you expected to do. You got into it and it must constantly kind of almost feel surreal. Right. And at the same time, now you're doing it, you're having a ton of success. You're winning awards. You're on Jimmy Fallon.
Like you get used to it, but at the same time you have this appreciation for something that you, you know, 15, 20 years ago, like if I'm guessing, if I would have told you, like, you'll be where you are now, you know,
Yeah, no, for sure.
No actual work. Are you just a college football fan or are you like the pros too?
Oh, my gosh. Kind of a backfire, though, just because, like, Alabama's been so good.
That one you always talk about. Everyone's talking about it. Oh, it's kick six, man. I remember that. I was watching. I was randomly watching.
So what are you going to do for Christmas?
Are you the favorite uncle?
And you're like, oh shit, this is.
What was that moment like?
Riley Greene's ex-girlfriend.
That's got to be surreal.
Yeah, no struggles with English.
Yeah, it's hard. Reading's hard.
Oh, really? That's great. Can you give an impression of your dad?
Yeah, humbling. Yeah, I always like to hear those moments, especially hearing your story, just kind of almost like you fell into it, you know?
He just loved the sale.
But we got 80% off.
That's awful. That's great. What's your favorite cereal?
Honey bunches of oats. That's your healthy cereal?
I do like Apple Jacks.
I'm sure I have like three quarters of a box though. Yeah. Yeah.
What do you want? Should we just start? I thought we did. All right. Yeah, we go.
It must be flattering, though. Or do you find that annoying?
You know, a mom's love for her son. That really is what gives you, you'll get confidence if mom loves you.
Yeah. My mom gave me an unnecessary amount of confidence. Yeah.
I know I should know this because I did watch an interview of you talking about your dog. What's your dog's name again? Carl. Carl. I love that. See what I mean? We have Jeff and Steve.
She's like, I trained her to eat donuts.
Are you sure? For sure.
Your mom's a huge fan of our show.
But I bet you treated your mom right. You're probably good to her.
Yeah, it's like taking care of the people you love.
Does it stink? Do you know your love language? English? Do you understand the question?
I'm not against somebody that speaks another language. How do you feel loved, Riley?
You've never heard of love languages? I've heard people talk about it. I'm sure.
How do you like to show love and what makes you feel loved?
No, it's more like, for example.
And like gifts. I don't mind.
But you wouldn't want her to like sit on your lap and cuddle.
All right, quality time. Do you like hanging out with the people you like or do you like being alone more? Are you introverted or extroverted?
I think he's an extra service guy. You think? Yeah. You like doing things for the people you love.
Yeah. That's how you show love. I like doing nice stuff.
Riley, this has been a ton of fun, man.
How's it going, Riley? Good, man. How y'all doing? I'm doing great, yeah. So anyways, we were talking about your travel schedule.
See, he says it normal.
You got called out.
You say it weird. I don't say it weird. Yeah, you do.
It's been a lot of fun, man. We appreciate you. Best of luck with everything. We're big fans, and can't wait to see what's next for you, buddy. Appreciate it, man. All right. Take care, man.
I've definitely been I'm a newer country fan Nally my wife got me into it and we watched you at Stagecoach yeah two years ago and that was like my first immersion really embracing country and like your show I had such a such a good time appreciate it it was just like Yeah, it really just that was my experience at Stagecoach and particularly your show.
It's like it feels more than just like a show or just like you're really kind of connecting with people. Everyone's having a good time, you know, just like you were talking about being from Alabama. You're talking about your grandfather when you're singing your song about him. And it was just like it's you really feel like a community.
And it was really kind of what made me fall in love with country music.
how have you handled kind of all the, the fame that you, you know, you're really popping off, you're becoming bigger and bigger, you know, and you're becoming more mainstream. You're people talking about you on Tik TOK, you know, is that you stay off, stay connected, just kind of go hunt in the woods.
Or do you kind of have to do like a lot of us do is like, try to stay off because you somewhat like a friend sends you some shit. It'd be like, Oh, did you see this about you?
What was the craziest thing you've seen about you?
But did you have someone show up at your front door like I did once?
I had, like, fake accounts, people trying to fake me for a while. And I'd block them for a while. It was, like, it was happening for a moment. And then, like, turns out one of the people who got duped, like, found my address and, like, showed up.
Yeah, but you probably wouldn't ask them for like $10,000. Well, they believe I would, I guess. I guess, yeah.
I'm like, it wasn't me.
She's used to trying to find bad things about me and it comes right up. She realized she had to really look.
This is you amped up? When was your first time on a plane?
Yeah. Any ex-girlfriends from the past when you were younger, like, look you back up after you, like, made it big and be like, what the fuck?
Then I went on reality TV and then came out to LA and tried to make it out here. And yeah, like if you don't feel like settled, like with what you want to do with your life or you're like chasing a dream, like it just feels like love and dating is this kind of a distraction.
Were you like afraid to fly or you just never got around to it?
That was awesome. What a time to be alive. Do you look back on that and think like that was a really cool experience or now that you've... No, that's not how I would describe it. No? Okay. Do you regret doing it?
Okay. But I did. How did you end up there in the first place?
People are going to respect me.
Yeah. Did he ever say anything to you along the lines of like, you'll never be anything without me? Cause I know Kristen kind of said that that was what he threw at her a lot.
I'm like, you're just wounded.
That's a hard that's a hard mentality to have. I applaud you for that. No, I don't.
People know me as Nick Biles' wife, you know?
Yeah. That's a triggering environment.
Gorgeous, funny, silly.
Does he want you to just not talk about the relationship, the flaws, the imperfection? Probably. He just doesn't want any of that kind of aired out?
I was in a very abusive relationship, different from yours. It was very physical and would get verbal at times, but it occurred mostly when he was on some sort of Drug or alcohol or whatever it may be, but not all the time.
And there was a lot of the like morning after of the apologies and the love bombing and the promises and all of those things, which ultimately did leave lead me to stay every single time. And the only reason that I was able to finally get out of this relationship was that it had gotten so bad. Police were called. And I think when police are called, it's kind of a wake up call.
You know, it makes things seem very real.
Because a lot of the time it was like, what I'm doing is making him do this to me. Like, it's my problem. I, you know, if I fix this, then this won't happen anymore. And then when police show up, it's like, oh, wait, no. Like what he's doing is illegal.
He can be arrested. Yeah. And so I am so grateful that police showed up that day to save me from that relationship. Is there a part of you that is like grateful that the police showed up that day?
I think there's also a sense of like. of embarrassment almost of like, I wasn't raised to let a man treat me this way. Yep. Single mother.
Yeah. And so it was like, I had all these people telling me like, I don't get weird vibes from him. I don't like the way he says certain things to you. Like maybe he's not your person. And it would like lead me into him harder. Yeah.
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Does that make sense? I'm excited. You did mine, you did Nick's, and you also did River's.
And there's like someone's in seventh house and someone's in their 10th house. And there's not an apartment.
Like to get a passport, they should be like, don't bring your birth certificate, bring your birth chart.
you're drunk and then he's like no i'm not you're drunk and i'm like no you're drunk and it was just yeah then everything escalated all we really know as like the public is that uh neighbors heard a disturbance called the police the police showed up we have the police report that said that there was uh it didn't name you yeah um so for i think a long time we were like allegedly ally
That's a good note.
You're like, actually, I think Nick birthed her. I'm going to be honest here. That's what I'm coming to my conclusion. No, I'm kidding.
Because we didn't know. But it said that a female had been picked up and thrown to the ground. And that's kind of all we know of that night. Yeah. So what happened outside of your house?
Our second baby that we lost was supposed to be a Virgo. And I was like so excited because I was like planning. I'm like, our next baby has to be a Virgo because I'm a Virgo. And like we need another Virgo. Another Mercury. Anytime I meet a fellow Virgo, I'm like, I'm obsessed with you.
Are you comfortable talking about that?
You guys, see Lisa? She didn't marry a frog. See, I do β I have always said I feel like I was put on this earth to be a mom. Yeah. So that does make sense.
Thank you. Hi, guys. We're so excited. It's been such a long time coming. I know. We're so happy to finally have you.
It's like Nick does leave cabinet doors open. Nick's not going to be able to pick up his clothes and put them in the laundry hamper. Where's Nick's six... Well, yeah.
What can we expect from River's future?
Yeah. Our guest bedrooms. Yeah.
Do you hear that, Brandyles? Brandyles out there. She's just saying that I actually...
Yeah. My nervous system is like regulated. I'm like, oh. Was there part of you that maybe it was that night, maybe it was throughout the relationship that ever felt a feeling of being scared?
Well, thank God for us.
You think that's why he hid it for.
As long as he did.
Was there ever a part of you that when he was away... And you weren't with him and he was DJing and y'all would FaceTime and you would realize that he was drunk. Was there ever a part of you that was a little grateful you weren't with him? Ooh.
Obviously had a lot of scrutiny about the industry. As someone who's been working in it for so long, what are things that you have seen change for the good? And what are some areas where you would like to see the industry still make some progress?
Certainly. I think it's been this way primarily in the past. I don't know how much it has changed, but a lot of the photographers in the modeling industry seem to be male.
I'm curious. Have you seen that change over the year? And two, have you ever been like put in a position by a photographer who you got the vibe, like more a photographer because he wanted to be around models as opposed to a photographer who was there for the art?
clothes are coming off and i'm like no they're not like i feel like this would look better with maybe the shirt off yes but i think i've always been so strong in my boundaries that i have no problem being like no i'm good on that like do you feel like other models for whatever reason have struggled with enforcing those boundaries because they feel like they're in a position women in general yeah like you have this you know photographers are kind of in a power position in that kind of environment
And then you mentioned like agencies like holding, you know, things like visas or or just like, I guess, just representation in general. I mean, whether it's someone who's out of the country or not, they can simply say, well, you know, if you don't do this, you're going to. We're not going to rep you.
Lexi, welcome to The Viaphiles.
And what are those conversations like with Bravo when, again, like this isn't like a new show? It's not like, you know, everyone's new. Like, do they talk about like storylines or just like like how you want to carry yourself in this environment? Like what were their expectations?
So in addition to speaking up more, if there were a young woman thinking about modeling or early in their career listening, what is some advice you would give to them that you wish you would have an opportunity to have someone give to you in your earlier days?
Even if they don't want to use you, they'll hold the rights to you, right?
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But just, like, when you say you know you got fucked over, like, what was the cost of getting fucked over? Like, what was the outcome?
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better about a situation that most of the time it's maybe we did something or whatever but like I mean we were just talking we were at lunch and we were talking about something that like I remember years ago in the moment I wanted one thing another thing happened I was very upset and if that one thing happened I mean I wouldn't be sitting here today I wouldn't have the show I wouldn't be married to to Natalie like it was such a pivotal moment in my life that like I mean who you know
I'm sure people out there might be listening like, well, no, you were going to find your way to each other. But I don't. I think like, I think we can learn from our mistakes and things like that. And I think things have a way of working out if we allow ourselves to learn from our past and things like that. But yeah, I do think our choices matter. I think we can fuck up our lives.
You know, I think there is like... I think there are people who make choices that their lives would have been drastically different for the better if they would have done something differently. I do think inherently, if you have the right mindset, if you are someone who's willing to look in the mirror every once in a while and say, could I have done something differently here?
Like friends, your friends. Yeah. Which ones?
Usually, you'll find success in life, whatever that is. It might not be exactly how you planned it, but you will find your way as opposed to like the people who constantly are just blaming other people. I find that like, you know.
Well, speaking of romantic relationships, before you went on TV and had a very public relationship with Jesse, you've had some other public relationships in the past. Yes. I don't know how long or serious they were, but a couple of them, some pretty famous families.
I mean, I don't, I'm not expecting you to like dive in and that's not why we're here. And some of those people are in relationships, but what was it? Brooklyn Beckham, pretty famous. And what? Presley Gerber. I've met Presley briefly. Nice guy.
great and okay you're welcome to share whatever you want i'm not expecting you to speak on specifically about the relationships but i am fascinated by the fact that like i mean that how do you end up dating two sons of like pretty legendary famous families like how did you meet these guys are they like natalie slinton my dms was this like on the internet or did you meet at like gatherings that do famous families just hang out together like how's that how's that work
Do you hate getting asked about those past relationships?
Good for you. One last question only because like I've met David Beckham once at a coffee shop and he's literally the only celebrity I've ever like asked for a photo. And then I like called myself out because I first said this is for my sisters. And I'm like, I don't know why I said that. This is definitely just for me. It is super nice and gracious.
But like David Beckham is often thought of as like one of the sexiest men alive. How does it feel to date someone whose dad is like kind of a daddy? Yeah.
Thank you for indulging me.
Who was more intimidating, David or Victoria?
I met Cindy once in life at an event.
Well, I didn't like, it was at a, I didn't like, I, she, I interacted with her briefly. I doubt she remembers, but she was lovely. Just, you could tell she gave a very... Very welcoming, very sweet energy. Yeah. No, for sure. You can kind of tell. She was not standoffish, which was... I mean, I just noticed because she's Cindy Crawford. Yeah.
Sometimes you just... You assume because they're so famous. Like, I'm standoffish. Like, I am. Like... Not on purpose, but I just, the energy I give is don't fucking talk to me. I'm not interested.
Yeah, I just, that's just my energy.
After you met with them, because I always remember when I first went on reality TV and that casting process, you kind of get a sense whether they're feeling you or whether they're not feeling you. Did you feel like you were going to get the call and have them ask you to join the show?
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That's suck. I mean, I know there's a lot of speculation. She had a boyfriend. She or a guy in her life. She didn't like disclose.
But I assume that when you first found out and went on the show, you were right. You're like, oh, I got another single woman by my side. We're in it together. Some, you know, West and Jesse had each other and that was clearly very helpful. And they became very fast friends from it. Like when you, whenever you found out.
It was like episode three.
Were you, did that make you less excited to show up for that fourth weekend? Did you feel more isolated? Like what was your mindset at that point? Or was it just like Jesse hard eyes at that point?
like oh I don't I don't know if I'm even gonna get it like how bad did you want it were you like pretty like as you went through like oh I want it more and more or were you just like you know again I remember when I first got asked it was like well, I've never been to LA, so I'll go do that. I'm never going to do this, but I'll just kind of go. And they kept asking me to come back.
Yeah. How quickly into being a part of the house, because you mentioned you didn't watch it going in.
But how quickly being a part of the house, did you learn about West and Sierra or did you just have, I mean, learn about or fully understand the West and Sierra dynamic?
Coupled with the fact about the West and Jesse dynamic in terms of, because I am curious, like once you learned, did that make you want to go back to like find out, you know, this guy you're into, his best friend seems to kind of handle himself in a similar way. And to only hear just how tragically West and Sierra's relationship ended. You get what I'm saying?
I didn't really know what to expect, you know, when you came on this season. you know? Yeah. Cause like this, it's been, it's such a mature show. It's been on for so long that I think I, me, I kind of had low expectations of just not, not you, but just like anyone was like, okay, like maybe I'm just going to, you know, well, who was the other girl who came?
Did that make you like, did that raise any red flags, so to speak, in terms of like the type of person you were pursuing?
Do you think Jesse and West are different?
And I'm sure, you know, one's taller than one shorter. I'm sure we had to make a list of 50 ways they're different. I bet we could come up with 50 different ways. But like, are they more similar or more different now that you got to know them?
Was there any part of you that wondered, you know, because this was new for you and you don't, I don't know, like when I first started going on TV, you always are worried about like,
producers and and and their involvement i've you know i've always you know talked and said you know producers they certainly produced their job but like i always find that producers are scapegoated for reality tv stars far more than they need to be but did you ever get in your head about like why jesse was pursuing you whether it was like an authentic interest in you or whether he felt like this was his season to like get in a relationship and like felt used
And the more I went, the more I was like, maybe I actually might do it. And I felt myself wanting it as I got down the casting process. How are your feelings about it going in?
But told you to trust him?
I'm glad you said that too. Because like I, you know, we talk a lot about dating on the show and I give advice to certain people who ask for it and things like that. And I've always said, it's just like the artificial timelines are useless because a guy will wait. If you give him a goal, men love goals. So like give a guy a goal, he'll shoot for the goal.
Tell him six months, he'll wait six months, six weeks, six days, it doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? Because then they just think about the goal and they're not thinking about... the connection or building anything. They're just more.
So all you're doing is just like wasting your own time by giving a guy some type of goal, like a timeline because it's like, oh, well then this becomes like hanging on for as long as you can, as opposed to building that connection. And I liked what you said about that where it's just like, Hey, I want to be exclusive or I want to be in a relationship. That's a very specific goal, right?
Where that's like, And then, yeah, a couple can talk about what it means to be exclusive or boyfriend and girlfriend and yada, yada, yada, because that can happen in three or four days or that could happen in three or four months. And it's less about some timeline or making someone wait for the sake of waiting, where it's just like, well, I hold myself to a certain standard, so I want you to...
And like, I just don't have sex in the first 10 dates. Okay.
What did he say in response?
Almost like in a possessive way.
So what did he say he was doing?
stories about me about the following girls or all of these things that weren't exactly how it was but painted to make me look a certain way oh yeah when i watched the show and at first and you hear jesse's pov yeah you're kind of like man you know lexi's kind of just like you're kind of like chill out lex yeah like geez like he's allowed to have friends you know because they're you know i've i know i have dated women where early on you're like oh okay this is this is intense
And then you hear your version of their story and it's like incredibly reasonable. It's like, yeah, I mean, now that you're exclusive and you're saying, I love you. I don't know. Following like five new women's kind of weird, you know?
Specifically the calmness. Every time I give, like, someone calls up our ethnic episodes where, like, I get a lot of people calling in, mostly women, and we're talking about situationships and they're like, okay, how do I say this? Like, the number one thing I always say, like, more than anything, if you can control it, like, do this calm.
Like, because the more elevated, the more triggered you are, people know better.
that they have a power over you.
And so if you can be calm and give the impression of being just in control of your emotions, it intimidates men like crazy. And so to that point, how did you learn that? Because that's not easy for most people to do.
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Well, obviously, one of the most meaningful things I get to do on the show is hear people's stories about their relationships and problems they have and hopefully try to help them from time to time. But sometimes it doesn't feel like I'm able to help. And there was this one listener who recently wrote in. They wrote in and said, I love my partner, but I have zero interest in sex. It's killing me.
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Who gave you the warmest welcome? Like, I guess once you found out you're on the show, did you hear from cast like Amanda saying, oh, I'm glad you're on it. And then I guess whenever you started filming, who gave you the warmest welcome and who gave you maybe the coldest shoulder?
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another model in the house is Sierra and her and Jesse obviously have this relationship, relationship of some kind, I guess like, yeah. How, how did you connect with Sierra at all? And like, you know, there's what we see on TV, but did you feel like there was like a weird energy between the two of you or her and Jesse as you started dating? Cause like watching it, it, it,
it comes across as like maybe she's like not giving girl code so to speak or girl being a girl's girl so to speak you know and again i don't want to like there's tv there's edits and things like that but like or were you kind of surprised you know even when jesse like sets this boundary with sierra it was a couple episodes ago ago and she like got mad at him it's just like wait shouldn't you be praising jesse for setting a boundary with you
In a way, because he's seeing this other woman named Lexi. Like, were you caught off guard or was there something we weren't seeing?
She's asked you to keep her name out of your mouth?
Why do you think she asked you that? Do you think that's fair?
Does she speak on other people ever?
Yeah, my birthday.
The guy who seems to embrace all kinds of
Not well. I mean, I totally see what you're saying. Yeah. This will be the last question I ask because I want you. I don't want to get you in trouble. But is it safe to say you guys aren't friends? I mean, you seem like you're friendly with anyone who wants to be friendly with you. That's the vibe I'm getting. But like, it doesn't seem like there's a friendship there. Would that be accurate?
Did she pick him in divorce?
Clear this up for me. I think it's already clear for us, but like the, the West accusation that you somehow you two were flirting that West even commented on that was kind of annoying. I mean, actually just a broader question. I'm, I am a little surprised to hear just how calculated from your point of view that Jesse can be. You know, like I've gotten, I've met Wes.
I haven't met Jesse, but I do have a story for you about that part in a second, but I want to get your opinion on it. Yeah. Wes is like, you know, listen, I'm not going to date him and I wouldn't want him to date my sister at this stage in his life because he's clearly just in his fuck boy era, whatever. But he seems like an affable, fun, nice guy.
And he seems like at the end of the day, like a good guy, you know, like from what I can tell. And obviously Jesse's had some very serious health problems in the past that like would affect anyone going through it and certainly can change your outlook on life.
And so like, there's this part of me and I've kind of joked when we cover the show that like, I give him a little bit of a pass, you know, for like, you know, fighting can't, you know, it's just like this new foot loan look on life where it's just like, okay, you know, like, and even now, like watching the past two episodes and
It's a softer side of Lindsay these days.
if I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, him and Wes seem like just incredibly immature, unserious people who really haven't been held accountable for their just kind of boyish ways But at the end of the day, not necessarily malicious. But there are times, you know, because like sometimes when Jesse's like talking to women, he acts like this dumb guy who just like doesn't get it.
Like why everyone's so upset with him? Or he acts like immature that like, you know, people want to stop him from having fun. You know, it's if like, God forbid, like you're not entitled to fun, you know, as opposed to just maybe choosing your partner's feelings over fun. Yeah, what are your thoughts on all that?
She hasn't been activated in a while. Were there any cold shoulders?
And do you feel like he used that to his advantage, like the empathy that one might give him for his health struggles in the past? And, or is your overall opinion of Jesse more like he has a lot of growing up to do and a lot of maturing to do, or he's more mature than you realize and he's using his intelligence in a more nefarious way to get what's best for him?
Yeah. Well, those were kind of my expectations, but I, man, I've really enjoyed you. Like I really, I really have. Yeah. You've been like a really pleasant surprise addition to this cast.
Stepping away from summer houses for a second, just more like you personally, I didn't even realize you're Canadian.
He asked you to his family reunion.
How long have you been living in the States?
Were you asking yourself, am I a jealous, crazy bitch or something? Yes. And I feel like I thought I was a chill person.
Yes. How long did you live in Paris for?
going crazy do you think this relationship occurrence an incident this time in your life with jesse do you think he's learned from it no okay I want to get your opinion on something. I want to get Jesse on the show. I haven't met him yet. I want to get him on the show. Earlier in the season, someone from my team told me that he was interested in pitching me something.
And I said, great, I'm interested in hearing, but let's get him on the show first and we'll go from there. And then obviously as the season unfolded up, certainly, I mean, I think he's an interesting character on TV and then you started dating and obviously this drama is like, let's literally get Jesse on. And
There was a ton of back and forth, a lot of moving the goalposts, a lot of, like, it was this, I was starting to get pretty annoyed. And then he finally, like, texted me and flaked. He essentially blamed you.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Well, he basically said, like, he said, like, after, you know, you guys have filmed the reunion. I don't want to give anything away. But he basically said, like, he realized how much you got hurt. and didn't think he should speak on it at all, and basically kind of just used your feelings as a cop-out.
I don't want to read the messages, but I want you to read them, and I want to get your opinion of it, and just get your thoughts on if you think this is honest or not.
this show has a reputation of at least like, I mean, holding people accountable. Like sometimes like Wes came on and was like pretending he was like kind of afraid to come or something like that. And we will ask you direct questions. I feel like we give everyone an opportunity to look better, especially if they've been under fire.
Like my response basically to Jesse was like, if you've learned something at all, this would be a great place to talk about it. You know, to, if you've been accountable, I didn't get a response to that, but this is his, this was his message. I just want you to read it and get your opinion on it.
Modeling sounds a lot like an orphanage.
Do you think he was too afraid to face the fire?
He's likely caught in a lie.
And he's not willing to tell the truth.
Yeah, definitely. Like, honestly, I think he was an all right guy. I mean, again, I haven't met him, so maybe my opinion will change. But it definitely made me think less of him. I'm just like, you couldn't handle this? Like, what are you hiding?
What did you call the family?
Because I just feel like, again, because I honestly... I hope you're having a good time here. I am. Unless you are lying about something. I think if you are lying and you can't tell the truth, I wouldn't come on the show.
Because we'll figure it out. Yeah. Short of that, if you have nothing to hide and also there's questions people don't want us to ask. We don't ask them and things like that. But if you are hiding something,
i don't know if you can speak on this or i don't even know if you know but and we were actually just talking in yesterday's episode that like i there's we kind of feel like this show might need a little bit of a shake-up you know because you have i mean you're not that young but like you have people kind of like dating and kind of more like what this show is about and then you have like people who've been on for seven years talking about whether they want to have kids or not have kids and like i think i said i don't think we'll ever get a season where our
But I guess what I'm asking is like, whatever the show decides to do, let's assume not much changes. If you are asked whether you've been asked or not, and I don't know what you can share. But would you want to come back? And if you come back, how do you plan on carrying yourself around him? We saw how Sierra did with, with Wes. It was very cold shoulder.
It was very like, it was very bothered in a way that showed that she's still very much cared. Like you seem to be very self-aware about how you carry yourself in, in, in all rooms, but specifically ones that were maybe eyes might be on you in terms of like, how's Lexi going to handle herself? Like, how do you see yourself carrying yourself around?
around jesse if if if there's an opportunity to be in that house next season
Yeah, I hope you're just like him. I actually hope you're incredibly nice to him in the way someone would be nice to someone they like caught up with, like they went to high school with, but they barely remember. Yeah.
How much of an ick was it to see four men in their early 30s or older like snuggle up on a trampoline watching Zootopia?
I love my male friends and I love my relationships with my male friends. But like sometimes, you know, and I guess maybe I'm older.
Fine. But in my 30s, I just wasn't doing shit like that where it was just like...
yeah you know i was doing that shit when i was in my early 20s yeah you know i don't remember i don't remember the last time i definitely wasn't in my 30s when i was like 3 a.m eating hot pockets after a night at the bar with my boys like you just went you just went to bed i just went home by myself i definitely wasn't like after barring you know with
I'm just holding Grumpy.
I'm like, I don't know.
Lexi, this has been so much fun. Again, this interview has been everything I thought it would be. You're a great example to people. Again, you're younger than me. But young adults out there dating in a hookup culture environment where I think it's just very easy to blame the other person because I think most people in dating culture are kind of a little self-centered and selfish and sloppy.
And because hookup culture is what it is, it's easy to either blame confusion or the other person. And you seem someone who's, yeah, you very calmly set boundaries in ways that I think clearly people have a very difficult time doing. And it's been great getting to know you. And I hope you are back because you're fun to watch and you do carry yourself in a way that is still, I think, entertaining.
But like you do set a good example of how people should carry themselves and how they should handle disappointment and how they should move in a very messy dating environment.
Where can people follow you? Anything you want to plug, promote?
How can people support that?
still so much more to the season i do feel like we saw like a teaser and there's been some things we haven't seen quite yet so yes there's somehow i don't know how it's gonna end but i am excited to see how it plays out one final question yes you get a random call it's a lady she's like i met jesse i'm thinking about dating him what advice would you give her and also do you think jesse's is dangerous to date for women
You're nicely said, uh, Lexi. Thanks again. It's been great.
Thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye bye.
And like drama aside with Jesse, which we'll get into and sorry, you have to go through. Thank you. It has been like fun to watch. And like now I said, just like you were popping off and I just really appreciate how you handled yourself. Yeah.
How long ago was this?
In the modeling industry, is there like certain like aspirations or goals of like, you know, I mean, you have, you know, the title supermodel. I don't know. I don't know if there's like this official stamp. I don't know who decides that. I don't know if it's like a label, but like, yeah, when you got into it, like what were, what were you hoping to get out of it?
Obviously, you know, paychecks obviously can be nice and things like that. But what were your like biggest dreams when you got into modeling?
What's the job that you're most proud of booking?
Okay, 27. And in model years, do you feel like this is you transitioning, going from like a career in modeling to like maybe something else in reality TV or TV in general? Or are you still very much in the modeling space? And I am curious because like obviously reality TV, you know, now more than ever, it's definitely gotten...
I always said like going on reality for me was like, you get incredible access and no credibility. It's just like, everyone's very fascinated about reality. If you want to ask you questions, you'll get in rooms that you would may not get into, but in, but like they almost kind of see you as like this caricature or they're kind of fascinated with you.
I do think the industry has gotten a lot more credibility in terms of like variety, you know, like variety to the like, 40 most powerful women in reality TV a couple of years ago and things like that. But do you feel like it's impacted your modeling career at all now that you're putting your life on display in reality TV?
First, I mean, you got to ask, like, how did you end up on the show? How does someone in your shoes end up on a show like this? But again, like a very seasoned, mature cast.
Because like there are some industries like who frown upon stuff like that, or do you feel like it's only helped you?
like this authenticity that you want to make sure is always like taken so the response to that has been good yeah your agents have now been like oh wow okay yeah no 100 yeah yeah so it's been such a blessing the modeling industry obviously over the years especially recently has like gotten a lot of scrutiny for you know it's certain practices like shows like what was the which one was tire brings america's next top model
No more flakes. And it literally just feels squeaky clean. And when I'm done styling it, I think it looks perfect.
Okay.
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later in this complaint, it reads how Justin Baldoni tried to convince Blake Lively that it was uncommon for women to wear clothes during delivery. So here you had Justin Baldoni, a man, trying to explain to Blake Lively, a mom of three, a mom of four at this point, what women do during birth. And according to Justin Baldoni, they all just strip down and get completely nude.
And he was trying to convince Blake to do that in a scene.
like next year is going to be we also mentioned we have we're going to kick things off 2025 with a really exciting going deeper interview we'll uh we'll uh i think announce that next reality recap the first year our first episode of next week the next tuesday next tuesday next tuesday our second episode of the year well we have our ass neck on a monday and then uh on tuesday we'll uh i think we'll drop that uh also on a personal level greatest year of my life
Yeah. And so obviously, Justin and his partner, Jamie Heath, were aware of Blake's frustrations. And so they continue to film. And then as the movie came out, Justin clearly wanted to get ahead of this to protect his own image. And looks like he hired these mercenary publicists that are professionals at creating these narratives.
It's also important to point out that when they had this complaint, part of the agreement was that Justin and his team would not retaliate against Blake for voicing these concerns. Mm-hmm. We now come to find out, according to this complaint, that Justin and his team did quite the opposite, that he did, in fact, hire these publicists, these kind of crisis PR people.
It turns out what they really are good at doing is crafting narratives, putting out hit pieces, things like that, changing public sentiment. They know how to create discourse and trolls. They're dealing with Reddit. And then we have all these text messages that from these publicists giving the proof that this is in fact what Justin Baldoni intended to do.
what's going on everybody welcome back to the last episode of the year for the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick joined by the household what a year it has been just feeling gratitude right now you know it's uh december 31st for all you listening so
It's also important to point out, because I know a lot of people have this perception of like, well, Blake Lively, she's this big, famous, powerful Hollywood person. And there's no denying that she is super famous and obviously has power. But again, just like ABC, when they're the distributors of The Bachelor, for example, they're the ones who come up with the marketing campaign.
It's not The Bachelor. It's not even the producers on the show. There may be some input and things like that, but ultimately, Sony is a huge company. You guys have probably heard of it. It's a massive entity. Whether you agree or disagree with their marketing strategy, they're not going to Blake Lively, who in this case is an actor and a producer in this movie.
She's an employee of this movie, right? And so we all just assumed, and then that was one of the big narratives that was out there back in August when everyone was just taking Justin's side. Everyone was just criticizing one person for the marketing strategy, and that was Blake Lively. They didn't even think to consider to criticize Sony or anyone else as part of the cast.
Yeah.
Everyone just pointed the blame to Blake. We now come to find out that Justin was aware of this strategy and didn't voice any complaints.
To ruin in quotes ruin Blake another big narrative that was going out there back back when again was speaking to the power that Blake and Ryan allegedly have and that the only reason that the entire cast was siding with Blake is because they. They wanted to side with the alleged most more powerful. Stories literally came out.
When everyone else was focusing on Blake giving interviews and how she handled herself being pregnant and whether she was rude 10 years ago in a particular interview here or there, well, everyone was focused on that. They were just dismissing any type of information that came out that suggested Justin might have been behaving inappropriately.
It's been really great. Yeah. I do. I love the life we built together. We had a great year. We got married. We had a baby. We've done some really cool things. I love what we built together. I love the atmosphere we raised our daughter in. I'm really proud of us for that. Me too. It's really cool.
And it was always like, oh, well, Blake and Ryan are just too powerful. We come to find out Justin's business partner, multi-billionaire, who is the major financer of Justin's company. He's also his friend and also is part of the same church group. So they're very close.
And here, alleged that at the premiere, Wayfair's co-founder and chairman and leading financer is multi-billionaire, his name's Steve, who divulged at the film's New York premiere on August 6, 2024, that he was prepared to spend $100 million to ruin the lives of Mrs. Lively and her family. Imagine that. I don't even know what Ryan and Blake are worth, but I don't think it's billions of dollars.
And if you had a person worth billions of dollars make a threat like that, they were willing to spend a hundred million dollars to destroy you and your family's lives. How scary is that? What does that even mean?
And he showed up and the entire internet was like, no, he's not being a husband. He's just abusing his power. And like, it's like everyone wanted to think of it as a power play. Well, like the internet wanted to find every reason and excuse not to believe Blake Lively for whatever reason.
Yeah.
So here they are. Apparently the playbook is to put out this information, have these blogs, these threads, start creating the conversation through these bots. You put it out there and you try to have people organically try to latch onto this. And it completely seemed to work.
It's honestly been the greatest year of my life. It's really been great. We've done so many cool things. It's only up. And to think how excited we are for 2025. It's really cool.
Like his own people are like acknowledging that, like, again, again, they're just they're just hired guns. They're mercenaries. They're just here to do a job. They don't even care what they actually think. They're just they're collecting a paycheck.
bullet point 32 speaks to that on one occasion mr baldoni and miss lively were filming a slow dance scene for a montage in which no sound was recorded mr baldoni chose to let the camera roll and have them perform the scene but did not act in character as ryle instead he spoke to miss lively out of character as himself at one point he leaned forward and slowly dragged his lips from her ear and down her neck as he said it smells so good
None of this was remotely in character or based on any dialogue in the script, and nothing needed to be said because, again, there was no sound. Mr. Baldoni was caressing Miss Lively with his mouth in a way that had nothing to do with their roles. When Miss Lively later objected to this behavior, Mr. Baldoni's response was, I'm not even attracted to you.
Another detail on the day of shooting the scene in which Miss Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Bodoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressed Miss Lively to simulate full nudity.
Despite no mention of nudity for the scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions, Mr. Bodoni insisted to Miss Lively that women give birth naked and that his wife had ripped her clothes off during labor. He claimed it was not normal. for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Miss Lively, not normal.
Here is a man telling a woman what is normal for women to do in childbirth. Huh?
When the birth scene was filmed, that scene was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes.
While filming the scene, Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set while allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Miss Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia.
Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfair co-founder, Mr. Sorowitz, this is the billionaire business partner of Mr. Baldoni, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself up between takes until after she had made multiple requests.
Yeah, I'm trying to get emotional, but I just love I love doing this with you. I love I love building this life with you.
I love you too.
Again, he is explaining to Blake Lively and justifying him being a creep because he understands the female gaze, the arrogance of this person. Again, the utter gaslight of this whole man to just make you feel like, huh, what is going on? You know what I'm saying?
Imagine going to this place of business, this work, where the director slash actor, and I also saw this tweet out there that someone pointed out. The self-identified feminist ally towards women is head of a company that bought the right to a movie.
about dv then he's directing this movie and casted himself is the lead male slash abuser in this movie which i don't know i guess but that's a weird thing to be like you know what i should i know that i huh like why are you so compelled to play this character i don't know maybe that's nothing but now that this information has comes out doesn't it's i don't know even that is a bit weird this is incredibly disturbing during a car ride with miss lively her assistant and driver
So we have two witnesses to this allegation. Mr. Baldoni claimed to Ms. Lively that he had been sexually abused by a former girlfriend, which has since been shared publicly. At the end of the story, Mr. Baldoni shared that it had caused him to re-examine his past. He then said, did I always ask for consent? No. Justin said, did I always listen when they said no? He replies, no. What, huh?
Say more. What happened? We had Christmas. Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. Happy Hanukkah. How was your Hanukkah?
There's also the complaint of Justin's former publicist who's also suing Justin. And in that complaint, there are also text messages of the other two publicists
Thank you. And even in that complaint, there are text messages between those two women verifying that those two women even thought that Justin was creepy and weird and they didn't respect who he was. They were literally just hired guns. I mean, it is crazy. How well known it was behind closed doors, just how much of a creep Justin was.
And his own hired guns that worked for him and their messages between each other are verifying this in a conversation. Again, it's in a complaint that we will add to the description of the episode. You should check it out. Obviously, a lot of people have reached out to me to remind me that unlike most people on the internet, I got it right way back when.
To me, it's less about that I was right or that I pointed things out. It was more just how quickly people were to not want to believe Blake over nothing. You know what I'm saying? Stories were kind of coming out and questions were being raised about why is the cast separating themselves from Justin? And the internet wanted nothing to do with it.
We're in night four.
Everyone dismissed anything negative about Justin as Blake trying to control the narrative. We were dissecting these interviews of when she was pregnant over nothing. We were so quick to dismiss that. And again, it wasn't like I was out there saying, you know, back in August when I was saying, hey, I'm not sure if we should just side with Justin.
I wasn't out there being like Blake Liley till I die. Like that. I was just like team Blake, no matter what. I wasn't even saying I wasn't even necessarily agreeing with her. I was literally just saying, hey, maybe we should just like ask Justin.
different questions, maybe we should consider the possibility that despite whatever you might think of Blake or however she handled herself in old interviews, maybe we should consider the possibility that there's another reason why the entire cast has separated themselves from Justin. And you all were like, shut the fuck up. We want nothing to do with it.
Of course.
And again, it just, it's, it's really eyeopening on the industry itself, media outlets, you know, how, you know, it's like, why is it even, I think there's also an acknowledgement that hit pieces exist. You know, there's been mentioned of hit pieces. There's been mentioned mentions of narratives, but it's like, no one, it's always like this thing that like, oh, that doesn't really happen.
Is every night fun?
They're not hit pieces. They're just, it's the truth. We're just getting the story out, you know? And now, You can't read these complaints without a clear acknowledgement that spin is a real thing. These writers are willing and able to write what you need to write them for the right amount of compensation, or if your interests are aligned.
It's a crazy story that I really think it's just the beginning. I hope it's a valuable lesson that we all learn.
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It's so good to be with you. First off, happy holidays. Happy New Year. All that fun stuff.
So wait, you're talking shit about my family?
Yeah, obviously very wild. As you know, like like you said, this complaint broke, I think, a couple of days before Christmas kind of, you know, shock the world as we just talked about. But As always, it's always great to have you on to kind of break this down in layman's term to kind of understand this complaint as a whole.
And then we have the complaint from Justin's former publicist also suing Justin. It really paints this kind of crazy story. I know you've gone through it in full detail. I guess I just want to hand it over to you and kind of get your thoughts on the complaint as a whole. And then we'll ask some questions in terms of how does this come together and things like that.
Yeah.
Gotcha. So is this public information for everyone to look up if they want to? Because that was my understanding that lawsuits are public information, but are complaints always public? And if not, like, how did we become aware of this complaint? It was like the New York Times, I think, initially released something. How does that all kind of come to be?
Yeah. I think it's been floating out there in terms of like how they came to accumulate all these text messages but like i don't know what's accurate out there or what's just misinformation how does someone get these text messages especially now as you're explaining it it's not even at the lawsuit level so yeah how does that come to be where they can pull these messages from whoever
And so in Jones' work is the employer of Justin's former publicist who's also suing Justin. Did I get that right?
That's kind of crazy for all the Machiavellian kind of maneuvering that Abel and Nathan were doing. Abel sounds like she was simultaneously kind of stabbing her employer in the back while also still communicating via her work emails and phones. It's just like they were so smart, but incredibly stupid at the same time. It's kind of fascinating.
What are some of the things that you have noticed the press and their coverage of this complaint? You know, what have they missed or what have you noticed that people aren't picking up on or, you know, things that are really standing out to you?
And when you say retaliation, to be clear, this is not like when you say retaliation suit, it's not Blake retaliating. It is you're saying Justin and Wayfarer, his company or whatever, they retaliated towards Blake retaliation. for voicing her concerns about onset behavior and things like that. Just want to make sure we're not saying Blake's retaliating.
Yeah, I mean, like we discussed earlier, I mean, when this was all coming out and we're here on this show kind of saying, hey, just like, let's just maybe hold off and consider other narratives. I mean, there were stories finally getting out there about the possibility of Justin's behavior on set. And the entire internet was like, we don't care. Nah, we're not interested.
You know, it's like on any other day with any other allegation, it would have been major news. But yet like at that point, Justin's team seemingly got ahead of it so quickly and created such a I guess, compelling narrative online with all these kind of trolls and all this maneuvering that they were doing.
I don't even know how they did it, but they were so successful that even in the mention in the complaint, how even the people working for Justin were almost shocked how successful they were, how dismissive the entire internet was of Blake and the possibility that Justin might not be behaving as he should on set. It was just a complete dismissal.
That's what's crazy about it, too. And to Nellie's point, I guess even I fell for it. I mean, I certainly had my opinions about Justin, but I wasn't as familiar with the contents of the book. But I have a basic understanding of how Hollywood works, the difference between a distributor and a production company.
versus an employee, but like, there's this perception of, oh, if you're a big celebrity, you have this immense control and power and everything you say, you get your way. And that was just kind of the narrative that was spun in the sense that like, yeah, here you have Sony, massive company, legacy company, but everyone around the world has heard the name Sony.
We knew that Sony was the distributor, and yet we just all just assumed that if Blake was talking and promoting the book this way, it must be Blake's choice. And we just all, the internet, when I say we, blamed Blake for it.
And then to Natalie's point, what makes it even more sinister is that there's no documentation out there or suggesting that Justin went to Sony and said, hey guys, I disagree with this. Everything we've read or understand is that Justin also signed off or at least agreed, or at a minimum didn't voice a complaint about him disagreeing with how Sony was planning on marketing this movie.
Well, the good news is, babe, because going forward, we are remodeling the lake house.
He just, behind everyone's back, made a decision on his own, knowing how it would come across and make Blake look the way he successfully made Blake look. which is so sinister, especially when you consider the platform that Justin has made his entire career about and the fact that he went behind her back knowing the optics.
It's like he was so self-aware about how people respond to these types of conversations regarding DV and domestic violence. For him to set up the woman in this situation to make her look the way he made her look is so... It's sinister. It's like really dark.
He weaponized the whole movement.
Around her, just because he's been so involved in the movement and kind of understanding how people respond to certain messaging. I mean, the whole thing, there was this clip that went around viral. And it was just like Justin on the red carpet. And he was just like, it was in a couple interviews. Because clearly this was something that he had crafted.
Very exciting. We start in like a week.
And that was my whole issue with Justin when I interviewed him. It was like, this guy just, my perception that he talked in talking points. And so when he's saying, we have to stop asking, why do women stay? And start asking, why do men hurt? That's a great question. But again, it's just a line. It's a punchy line. It sounds really great in soundbites.
And then we heard it in soundbites, and everyone on the internet is hurting. Oh, yes, that's a great question, Justin, of course. And it's just like he so carefully crafted this narrative, at least that's how it comes across, in a way that it's just so like when you really...
When you take a step back and you look at all the details, it really paints a very icky picture about like how this all came to be and just how dark it was considering the platform he built his entire reputation on.
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I mean, interesting enough, PR and just media in general is the story. And like in a very, not even that indirect way, these various publications and how they covered this story, I think are very much kind of... In the spotlight?
Like how did, you know, again, Page Six, E! News, Us Weekly, People Magazine, how did they choose or not choose to cover this story? And I just think it's really, you know...
Fascinating, scary, I don't know, but again, this shines an entire spotlight on the industry as a whole, and it's like, as someone who's worked in this space a little bit, I have friends in press and things like that, and every once in a while, there'd be an article that would come out about me, and then I would see a picture, and I'd be like, why did they choose like this picture?
And I look so stupid. And I would talk to my friends who like worked at E! News or whatever. I'm like, why do you guys do this? And they always would like play dumb. It's like, what are you talking? Oh no, like they're just like random. It's everything's random, you know? And I'm like, no, it's not like, and it's just like,
they wouldn't even admit it, you know, but you, it's like an acknowledgement that nothing in this space is random. It's an acknowledgement that like hired guns and publicity is, is a, is a thing, you know, that like you can craft narratives pro positively and negatively. It's just like
Yeah, we're really going for it. It's just like, you know, do we need anyone? Obviously, you guys know the lake house. My grandfather's lake house. I want it like having river Yeah, like next Christmas, it's going to be... Well, that's what I was going to say to you. Listen, babe, we are hosting Christmas going forward. And next Christmas, it will be... At our lake house.
Yeah, my hope is that it's a wake-up call to all of us as consumers of fans of entertainment that we can no longer... And in a way, I feel like the headline business is under review, so to speak. The fact that we get our news in headlines, the whole short clips on the internet, that's where we get a lot of our information, how we craft our narratives.
And I hope that this, what eventually we assume will be a lawsuit, will shed a light on just in how, as viewers, we consume information. Again, the entire internet, essentially, just was so quick to dismiss the woman in this situation off of nothing, off of a handful of interviews that were suggesting that maybe she's kind of rude, you know?
And that's all it took for us to completely dismiss the victim in this scenario and believe someone who said some nice things. every once in a while. And we got that information from headlines and a couple clips on the internet. And it wasn't by reading all the information or really asking the sound questions or paying attention to what was happening.
We were just rushing to assumptions and just getting our information secondhand. And I hope it's a wake-up call for how we digest this information.
I got fired. So I guess what I'm saying is, good news is, we get to make our own traditions next year at the lake, which will be... We're going to host everybody. Not you guys.
To that point, Emily, you kind of referenced it a few times just so the audience kind of understands how this all works. When Blake and her team are considering even filing this complaint that inevitably we assume is going to lead to a lawsuit, what are things that they have to consider?
Because what I'm hearing from you is that even if you're the person suing, once it goes to the lawsuit, everyone involved is exposed, so to speak, right? So if Blake is suing Justin...
I'm assuming they really have to have their ducks in a row, so to speak, because for anyone out there questioning Blake or saying, oh, we don't believe her or trying to poke holes in this complaint, what would happen if, let's say, they weren't telling the truth? I guess what I'm saying is, what do they have to consider and how detailed do they have to be
And how would they be exposing themselves if for some reason, you know, this was all just a made up thing and Justin was still the innocent angel that he wants everyone to think he is?
Maybe someday you guys will be able to come. I wasn't thinking so until you said that. I wanted to remodel the lake to be able to have family up and to host and to be there a lot.
And the potential cast, all the people who kind of separated themselves along with Blake from Justin. Yes.
So I think... Enjoy it.
I just want to just clarify one thing and you can say yes or no, but just to reiterate everything, it is safe to assume that Blake and her team and specifically her lawyers, they must have Blake and her lawyers considered, you know, and got the green light from all the people and like checked, you know, dotted their I's and crossed their T's before they would file something like this.
They considered all those things that you just reviewed with us to make sure that they had a strong case moving forward. Absolutely.
Yeah, we kicked it off with a bang.
It almost seems like Justin's lawyer's response and his response initially was this is all about Blake trying to build up her reputation that was damaged back when you know, back in August, but everything we just discussed almost suggests the opposite.
Like you said to do, this isn't just like Blake talking, giving an interview and making some flippant accusations, you know, to say, Oh, it's not me. It's actually Justin. This really opens up the door for a lot of emotional distress, a lot of anguish, a lot of exposure and, You don't do this unless you're very serious, unless you have a lot of evidence backing it up.
This is not, you know, you don't do this for the accusations of which Justin's lawyer seems to be suggesting.
Our team's different. We got, you know.
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But again, we're talking about a man who, again, has made his whole brand out of signaling this virtue about being an ally. Yeah. Again, he comes across for me as the type of guy who talks about how he understands the plight of women so much that it's like one big gaslight. It's just like, hey, I'm on your side. I'm on your side.
So honestly, it's like Justin will walk into a room of a woman breastfeeding and be like, it's okay. I'm not uncomfortable. And then imply that the woman breastfeeding shouldn't be uncomfortable because me, the ally that I am, this is all normal. Hey, everyone breastfeeds. It's okay. And he acts as if he says stuff like that.
The complaint is filled with accusations of Justin saying and doing inappropriate things to these people. And when they voiced their frustration, it was a lot of like, dismissive reactions from Justin being like, oh, it's okay, I can say that. I think there was one moment where he's like, it's okay, my wife's on set. I can say that today.
As if like, oh, he called, there's an accusation and part of the complaint that he talked to another woman on set and said he thought her pants were sexy. you know, things like that.
No, it's crazy.
I'm dyslexic. I have all these things. I can be aloof.
I mean, because we don't lead with our issues that we have. We overcome them, Emily. And it's just so frustrating. And yes, I have, being who I am, have said awkward things in social settings. I've had to learn the hard way sometimes. I've been accused of being rude. I don't walk around and be like, it's okay, I'm ADHD. What? Huh? No, it's something I have to work on.
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Just like if Blake may have to work on Things when, you know, like every everyone in the public eye, you know, whether you're Blake Lively or Ryan Reynolds and you're you're that level of celebrity or you're a former reality TV star, if you get noticed in public, you have to learn how to interact with people. You know, when they walk up to you at dinner and say, hey, I'm sorry for interrupting.
The household has really changed. It's been an incredible year. The show, obviously, like Natalie said, we had Gypsy Rose. It started off with a bang, fresh out of prison. We had some, I mean, incredible interviews. We had the Tom Sandoval interview. So many incredible guests. Denise Walsh. Richards was such a moment for me, you know, being a fan of hers for so long.
Can I take a picture? You know, when people are when when I travel, we're on a plane. You it's a weird thing. for people to get uncomfortable and nervous and fan out. And you have to learn how to respond and you don't always get it right. You know, I've gotten it wrong.
I've had bad reactions from, you know, people I've met in public, not because I was intending to be rude, but like, I just, I didn't meet their expectations. That's often how it is when you, when fans meet a celebrity and it's that the celebrity doesn't meet their expectations of how they thought the celebrity should act around them. And sometimes they have the right to feel the way they do.
And sometimes it's just their own interpretation of the situation, but it's,
oh i didn't realize adhd made you say like oh yeah like i want to talk about my dick to strangers like thank you yeah um you know that sorry that's a weird cop out i've i've been adhd and i've been aloof but i know right and wrong i know boundaries i know what's inappropriate i know what not to say i've you know like that's not it's not it's it's such a bullshit excuse like you don't
I don't know where all of a sudden like not understanding quote unquote social cues is an excuse for being dismissive or making women feel uncomfortable or saying inappropriate things or acting inappropriately. What does ADHD come in when you are allowing investors or people who should not be on set in a close set scene? How does that explain that? It doesn't explain that. Right.
Beyonce had a dominant halftime show. Maybe that was the most dominating performance in the NFL since we last recorded. Packers were one in one. They beat the Saints. They lost to the Vikings. A lot of stuff is going on in the NFL, but I don't even remember what scores we picked before we ended up recording. But I think the big takeaway is Beyonce crushed halftime. I don't know.
Also, to your point, Emily, there's a good chance that Blake Liley never even brought this complaint to where it is now, had Justin not do the whole revenge part. If it just stopped at his behavior on set, I'm guessing there's a good chance it never got to this point.
But because he went on the offensive, because he tried to destroy her credibility, there's a part in this complaint that talks about, and I think it's a really important section, the whole narrative. early on was, oh, Blake and Ryan Reynolds are so rich and powerful, yada, yada.
And this whole argument was like, oh, well, the only reason why her castmates are siding with Blake is because she's rich and powerful. Well, as it turns out that Justin Baldoni's business partner, friend, and church buddy, which, you know, when you go to the same church, there's a level of, you know,
loyalty there that i think maybe goes beyond just normal colleagues and he's worth a couple bill you know so he isn't you know and in the complaint there is an allegation that at the premiere this billionaire friend of justin financier of the company was overheard saying that he was willing to spend up to a hundred million dollars to destroy blake huh
Maybe that's... That was my biggest takeaway. That's the real score.
But that accusation about that $100 million, we can assume if it does go to court, we'll find out why they felt so comfortable including that in the complaint. Because like you said, it's not a text message. You know, it is something that someone overheard. But I assume there's a witness there that might be called or something. They wouldn't just write that in as hearsay.
You know, there's plenty there that they don't need to include, you know, the fluff like this. And that's what's so interesting. And, you know, before we let you go, Emily, it really felt like this complaint was very really just laid out the facts. it was just very detailed. It didn't have a lot of fluff. It didn't have a lot of storytelling.
It was just like point by point, all the random, creepy and odd things that Justin said and did with his colleagues, you know, towards Blake and the rest of the cast.
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Well, Justin's lawyer also stated that they plan on also countersuing. What might that look like? And is that just something that everyone in, like, the type of lawyer that Justin has, is that just kind of standard operating procedure? Does that potentially open up Justin as well? Like, I'm sure they'll have their own narrative, like you just suggested.
It'll be from the POV of Justin, but, like... How strong do you feel like this complaint is? And if you were to speculate on how Justin's lawyer might fight this, assuming everything that Blake laid out is true and that Justin's lawyer's argument is like, we just have the wrong perspective, that seems to be their argument. It's just like, well, we're not denying it happened.
It's just why it happened and how it came to be. And the framing of the story is completely different. How do you think they will do that without exposing themselves and look like they're lying?
It is a wild complaint filled with text messages, emails, a lot of accusations about some very weird and, quite frankly, disgusting behavior of Justin Baldoni. And then the days that followed, you had Justin Baldoni's former publicist also sue Justin. There's text messages in there. It's a whole big story about not only Justin's behavior, but the industry in general. You have publicists involved.
It really seems like the publicists in both these complaints are like the linchpin almost. Yes.
They're the hired guns who don't even clearly have loyalty to Justin. They're just there to be hired and now they're exposed and their careers and credibility are on the line. It'll be interesting to see how these two women, how they go about you know, defending themselves or how they handle these complaints.
I mean, I really am, and I've thought about this over the weekend. I really hope this is a wake-up call for the industry itself, for consumers of pop culture and media in general. As someone who works in the long-form space in podcasting, to me, this is... Again, I think it puts a spotlight on short form content. I put it on content. I put a spotlight on headlines.
You know, we're just we've become such a lazy society in terms of how we get our information. We read a headline. We don't click on and actually read the article. We watch, you know, 15 seconds of a clip. You know, we form an opinion. And I think now you really have to be willing to listen to a whole episode or read a whole article.
Or when you hear a narrative, you have to be willing to ask yourself the question, I don't know, is this accurate? Or do I need to like Google for 15 seconds and fact check what's out there? I wish we lived in a world where we could trust information that's out there. But I think time and time again this year, we're reminded that like we have to be more discerning as consumers.
in terms of what we believe and not believe. And I do hope that, yes, I hope it becomes a spotlight on the, I hope it's a spotlight on the industry because, again, it's an acknowledgement that hit pieces exist, that it's a thing, that these freelance writers are hired guns of crafting various narratives.
You have media itself involved in kind of how complicit they were. In case you aren't aware, Blake ultimately filed a complaint talking about Justin's behavior on set along with some of his other people who run the company. So for the people who don't know, Justin... is I think CEO or president of his production company, Wayfair.
But also just the industry in general, how many articles have we listened to or how many articles, more importantly, have been printed based off of an anonymous source? You know, like these all these publications need no real information or evidence. There's no journalism period whatsoever going on here. It's just an anonymous source.
Sometimes the anonymous source is the person themselves who doesn't want to be quoted. Sometimes an anonymous source is the colleague who friend to friend like it's based off of nothing. You know what I'm saying? And all these rumors that get out. And it's just so easy, again, to have all you need is someone willing to say, I heard this. I saw this. I know a person. That's all you need.
Right.
How many headlines have we read that blank slams blank for blank? And you're just like, huh? And then you read it and you're just like someone like had like a. Well, I don't know. You know, like I wouldn't have worn that sweater that, you know, Aaron wore or something. And it turns out like John blast Aaron for wearing something.
And that production company was the production company that produced the movie, It Ends With Us. Sony is the distributor in this case, like ABC, like Disney. It's there as the platform that distribute the movie. They are in fact in charge of the marketing for this movie, now come to find out. So we'll go over the complaint in great detail.
sweater or something but you hear blast name you hear like you know they expose eviscerates them it's like huh did a murder happen like what happened you know like and it was like someone someone said something on a podcast that didn't even like come across as actual criticism if you actually listen to the podcast but the publication uses words like slams you know eviscerates you know
Trashes, you know, things like that. And again, like to your point, all of these platforms are just incentivized by clicks and traffic and in no way incentivized for truth and exposure. And then once a story gets out, like the Justin story that came out and when you saw the wave of people siding with Justin. Right. And it was clear that.
Just by seeing the stories that came out, it was clear that these platforms were paying attention to where the narrative was heading. They were paying attention to what side people were siding on, and they were basing their stories and coverage around that. Right there. They weren't interested in getting it right. They were interested in riding the wave of public sentiment.
And that seems to be the driving force now with these publications is just figuring out where sentiment going and make sure we we we ride that wave so that we can get the clicks and we can compete with all the other people out there doing riding the wave as well.
We have later this episode, Emily Baker coming on this episode. As you guys know, she's the former deputy district attorney of LA County and now the Volfauser unofficial legal expert. We'll get into the kind of legal aspects of this case. But just to start, in case you aren't aware or you haven't read it, I honestly recommend anyone following this to read the complaint.
We we anticipate our audience hopefully hearing a lot from you on this show as we continue to cover the story. As always, Emily, can you please let our audience know where they can find you? Pay attention to all the great things you're doing when you're not on the file files.
We love you as well. Thanks so much.
Well, I'll get into that in a second. But I think what's really important, what you just pointed out, is that I wasn't even taking Blake's side. I was literally just suggesting that we ask different questions and we shouldn't just rush to condemning Blake because of old interviews. And we should consider why the entire cast was separating themselves from Justin.
And we shouldn't just assume that Justin's the good guy in this narrative just because he says the right things publicly. Yeah.
that's all i was saying and the entire internet internet was like shut the fuck up but you got a lot of heat like in the comments even on the tiktok that we posted of your take like people were all over you just like this is a whack take this is wild like how could you say that i don't agree some people would disagree i just i don't i really am pretty good at being offline so i didn't realize it was like a hundred percent was telling me to shut the fuck up like
it's it's funny every once in a while like my publicist will like well you know we'll have a meeting whatever and it's just like i don't i do a good job of not reading comments and sometimes like i'll realize that like i might be catching more heat because i just remember when this came out she's like well maybe we should like move on from like the you know like the justin and blake story i'm like well why why do you say that well i come to find out that like every single person online disagreed with me it was wild some of the comments that were out there it was wild
It's a very important read and it is full of Details, I mean, it's a jaw-dropping complaint of things that you just, you'll be shocked is out there. So ultimately, it seems like this complaint is accusing Justin of sexual harassment, retaliation of the workplace. There's a lot of legal jargon that we'll break down with Emily later this episode.
Um, it feels certainly good to have been validated. That was right. Why did I think what I had thought about Justin? I mentioned, I did a tick tock a couple of days ago and gave some context why I had the opinion that I had. We interviewed Justin a few years back. A lot of you guys weren't here. He was promoting his book, man enough.
He gave me a weird, he honestly, he gave me a, just a really bad vibe. I mentioned in that TikTok when he came in, it was a pouring rain. He meditated in front of us. I'm a huge fan of meditation. I'm not criticizing meditation. But for me, meditation is something you do for yourself. He came in. He could have meditated in his car. He could have meditated at home. I don't know.
He came in and we all sat there and waited for him to finish meditating. It was like this guy was clear. He gave off the vibe that he was performing, right? And that was just the vibe I got. I never talked about it, never spoke on it. A lot of people since then have been like, asked me who I, when after I posted that TikTok about giving my opinion, what it was like to interview Justin.
I don't know how many people I've interviewed over the years of doing this show. Justin Baldoni is the only person who gave me the vibe that he gave me about how disingenuous he came across. It's really cool. We get to meet a lot of cool people doing this show. Sometimes we do become friends with them. It was so cool to meet Denise Richards, someone who like growing up, I was like, she is an icon.
I honestly didn't know what to expect. Denise Richards, the Bond girl, then the former housewife. I was kind of nervous. What is she going to be like? She was so cool and down to earth. And yeah, I've built a rapport with Denise Richards since then. A lot of times we interview people, they're a little nervous. It's an interview. It's professional. Everyone's lovely.
Some people are more willing to open up than others. Some people aren't, whatever. He was the only person who gave me this vibe. But again, I didn't really speak on it. I don't have people on to... you know, talk about what they were like behind their back or anything like that. But it was just a vibe I got.
So when the story came out, I just knew I'll never forget when the story broke, we were at the lake house with our friends, Erica and Scott. And I was like, I just, I know there's something going on with this guy. Like I don't buy this guy. I think he's a false prophet. I think he's a guy cosplaying as Jesus. That was just the vibe I got.
And I, and I was just out there being like, I'm not so sure we should just rush to judgment about Blake. So that's why I thought what I thought. but yeah, I think, I just hope that if you're out there and you are listening to this and you were someone, and like, this is not about like pointing the finger, but just ask yourself, like, what were you believing back then? You know?
And why did you believe what you believed? And if you're, you know, again, this is, this is a movie about DV. This is a movie that a lot of people identified as, as past victims who saw a connection to this movie and its characters. And many of those people were quick to blame Blake, the women in this scenario, and defend Justin over what? Over nothing.
But it starts by kind of setting the stage about when they started filming this movie, right? And as many of you guys know, there was a writer's strike, so they stopped down. So they started filming this movie. Blake and Justin interacted. Apparently, there were several complaints. There were several, like, you know, Blake was allegedly made to feel very uncomfortable.
Yeah. Yeah.
Also, again, there's still conversations about people trying to decide what they think about Blake. I think we need to give Blake a lot of credit for what she did to come forward with all this. Blake's willingness to file this complaint and to fight this battle is still going to come with a lot of criticism. It's going to cause a lot of stress on her family's life.
Again, they were threatened by a billionaire that was going to spend $100 million to destroy their family. Like, huh? That's an insane accusation. And how would you feel if that were you and your family? And people are so quick to find ways to dismiss that. Blake has really shined a light on the industry as a whole, how we look at victims, how we want to discredit victims.
that we have a society where we don't wanna believe right and wrong. We wanna believe people we agree with. We wanna believe people that we think we could be friends with. And then we are so quickly to discredit people if other people are able to convince us that we wouldn't be friends with them. It's like, huh? That's not how we get to the truth. We have to be willing to ask questions.
It was really just a cool, cool year. It's what I think I'm so excited and feel so grateful for the show. Every year the show has existed, we had our best year of all time. And it's exciting to once again be able to accomplish that.
We have to be critical thinkers. We actually have to consider that the person that we think reminded us of someone we went to high school with, they could still be right. And we should have pause before we rush to judgment and just condemn people because of who we think they are in public.
I would imagine Blake would just want this to go away and not have this continue to be a thing that she has to deal with. And she has had to make, I'm assuming, the very difficult choice to fight this. And because it's going to get in the legal system, it's going to be very public. It's going to be out there. It's going to be emotionally distressing.
So again, a lot of disturbing stuff in this complaint. We highly recommend you guys read it, review it. We'll add the links to the show descriptions. I think the big takeaway too is, you know, I think there's a lot of With this whole like the CEO, the Luigi assassin, you know, not to get into that, but there's this kind of like eat the rich mentality or mindset going around.
And they stopped down. when the writer's strike happened, it seemed like. And there was then this big kind of HR meeting that included Ryan Reynolds.
And I think part of that, we were so quick to dismiss Ryan and Blake in this story because of the perception of their power and influence. You always hear the phrase, there's always a bigger fish. And in this story, we come to find out that there was, in fact, a bigger fish, this billionaire financer who was making threats and willing to invest hundreds, like $100 million to destroy a life.
I think the big takeaway is we should be careful not to jump to picking a side right off the bat. It's more about just asking some questions and to be allowing the information to get out. And I think maybe that's the big takeaway. And for all the people, think back to August when the story came out.
If you were someone who was quick to just side with Justin or want to discredit Blake because, again, she reminded you of someone you went to high school with, just take a beat and ask yourselves why you came to that conclusion. We have to stop doing stuff like this. Otherwise, this stuff is just going to keep happening.
I think it's very brave of Blake to really shed a light on the industry as a whole. And hopefully a lot of good will come from it. But this is obviously just getting started. Justin's team seems to be fighting back very aggressively. Even Justin's lawyer is someone who, if you do some research, Justin seems to surround himself with people, let's just say, are the opposite of allies.
He surrounds himself with people who have their own checkered past. And again, someone who talks the talk like Justin talked would never surround himself with the people that he surrounds himself with. Yeah, I think with Justin, you just got to start asking yourself, read the complaint, just look at the behavior. Just look at the behavior of a guy, again, who casted himself.
I think it's interesting to point out that back in August, when everyone was talking about the story and we kind of knew that at some point Ryan Reynolds got involved, there was a lot of speculation that he took over the project and that Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively inserted their power. And according to this complaint, it really comes down to Ryan Reynolds was playing the role of a husband.
Is this the behavior of a person who actually is an ally? Is this the behavior of a person who actually wants to platform and protect women? Is this the behavior of a man who really listens to women and really wants to understand them? Or is he using allyship and this need to
and desire for us to protect women is a way to abuse his power, to gaslight his entire audience into thinking he's a good guy, and to get away with making people feel incredibly uncomfortable. Again, we were so quick to say that Ryan and Blake were abusing their power, where all it was was a guy being a husband to his wife and wanting to protect his wife. Put yourself in, again, their shoes.
What would it be like to show up to work and have this person do these things that he's being accused of? How would that make you feel? And having to go to work and then think of all the people in this project, people like, oh, why didn't she leave the set or why didn't she do this? They are people in incredible positions that other people really rely on them.
And like, it's not that easy just to walk off set. I mean, if she would have walked, that would be that would have been itself a big story.
Yeah. And I try to handle it.
Well, that is going to do it for this episode. We obviously didn't get to Salt Lake City or Southern Charm or all the other headlines. We'll pick all that up in the new year. There was so much, obviously, to cover this episode. We just wanted to focus on the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni complaint. So we will see you in the new year. Thank you again for such an incredible year.
This has really, truly been our best year we have ever had as a show. I truly believe that this is going to be an even bigger year for us for you guys as well. We can't thank you enough for supporting us for our show. We're going to kick things off in a big, big way starting next week. Can't wait for you guys to hear all the exciting things we have coming up in 2025. It's going to be a great year.
Until then, be safe tonight. If you are celebrating this New Year's Eve, make sure you do it safely. We love you all. We'll see you in 2025. Bye.
who is coming there to support his wife, who is being harassed in the workplace. And there was this big meeting between Wayfair, Justin Baldoni's company, the people involved, a lot of people in the cast, Blake, Ryan Reynolds, and then Sony Pictures and the people who were running this picture through Sony. And these were the list of things that I think it's important to point out
that Justin Baldoni and his business partner, Jamie Heath, signed off on and agreed to, you know, they basically said, well, we don't see it the same way. They agreed to stop doing these things that Blake accused them of doing.
Well, I mean, to be clear, they were just like, well, we see it differently. We agree, you know, it was a very legal response.
And it was they signed off on it to continue production.
So there was an acknowledgement.
We come to find out later in the complaint that Jamie Heath, Justin's business partner and I think CEO of the company, was showing birthing videos of his wife kind of being fully exposed, fully nude without Blake's consent to see this very intimate video of someone who wasn't in the room i mean so it's like they're showing nude videos
We wouldn't be able to do it without everyone listening, whether you've been with us from the very beginning or the second year or the third year or the fourth year, or maybe you tune in, maybe you tune out. We're so grateful to have you guys tune in with us, to choose us, to listen to us, to be a part of what we're doing and to grow with us.
Keep in mind that when Blake Lively was filming this movie, she had a newborn baby that she was being a mother to, breastfeeding, taking care of her kid, all while working on set. I think that's just important to acknowledge.
I mean, it's really been just super exciting and big things ahead. I mean, it's really crazy to think just how crazy and great this year has been as a show and just how incredible we feel.
In the shape of a heart? No, it was, it was a bench. Oh, okay. Yeah. But it was very much that trend on TikTok that's like, have you ever, excuse me, ma'am, do you have a five foot long? I love this.
We gotta do that.
It's like the weirdest shit. And they're like, oh yeah, right over here.
It's like, do you have a frog doing a backwards yoga pose while holding a hose?
We just got it in.
Trying to steal a lemon from our neighbor's tree.
Grab your enthusiasm. Yes, it is. He's like, wants him to pay to have the tree removed or whatever.
How do you feel shish kebabs?
I wanted to order Chinese. And he was like, what if we just made like cheese kebabs? That's different and new, like chicken kebabs. And I was like, all right, sure. I could do that. The chicken wasn't cooked.
We have an appointment?
The color? Wait, they wouldn't give it to you because it was the wrong color?
Oh, my God.
This does sound like a Curb episode.
That's warranted. I think that's absolutely fair. Tim Cook, you're dead. Nick rolled his eyes and gave some attitude. I just rolled my eyes.
He's like, are you mad at me or Apple? And Nick was like, Apple. And he was like, because I just work here. That's such a mean move. You know what?
Nick, I want you to know that you're seen. I've also been a Karen in an apple before.
I feel like we all have a place or something that brings out a Karen in us. And mine is the people who knock on my door after they walk past my no soliciting sign and you witnessed me. I did. The other day, as this woman, it's always when River's down for a nap and the dogs go fucking crazy when people ring the doorbell. And this girl was like, hi, Mr. I'm not even going to try to pronounce it.
And I was like, I'm his wife. And she was like, OK, we were just replacing windows. Do you have any windows or doors that you would like me to look at to replace? And I was like, no. But did you see the no soliciting sign? And she was like, oh. I see it now. And I was like, great, because you just woke up my baby with my dog's barking.
And she was like, all right, well, I'll be seeing myself out as you should. Thank you. Thank you. I feel like we all have a place that the DMV, I feel like brings out a lot of Karen.
Yeah. You know what's annoying at an Apple store is if you ask for someone above them, they'll be like, I'm the highest person here. That's what got me irritated.
Oh.
Yeah, most people are just threateners, but you're actually like... I say it peacefully, and I think that's where they're like, oh, we can't even say this person's mad.
Yeah, no, it's great.
My face crumbles. I just...
Do y'all know what's going on with Billy Ray Cyrus right now?
I don't know. I know Trace, he posted an Instagram post, old post with caption saying that he's praying for his father. Like, I hope he gets help. He may not be here for long. A lot of like strong emotions in that post, but he's not explicitly saying what's going on. I know people are assuming that it's like addiction, maybe alcohol.
Well, I remember when him and Fire Rose got a divorce and there was like audio footage released of him like screaming at her or something. And then I know Miley has spoken about how she's like, I got my narcissistic side from my father and none of them communicate with him or something. But then, yeah, I saw Trace Cyrus, which I didn't even know there was a Trace Cyrus.
And I guess there's another son, too.
It's Brayson. Brayson. There it is.
So, I don't know. Scary movie is being rebooted. And I am personally very happy about this.
On a far distance, I'm ready.
Just everybody. But I mean, it came to my attention that Nick can care less about the scary movies.
The first one is, but like every other movie is about like a different scary movie.
I just think we need like because I used to do where I'd watch this like the actual horror movie and then watch the scary movie version after and then I'd be like healed.
Ashley Tisdale was in the last one with Madea.
I feel like we're severely lacking in just good, goofy, silly fun for pure idiotic and lunatic purposes. And that's why I'm really happy.
Have you seen the scene of where she's like, Cindy, the TV's leaking? You've never seen that? Or heard it?
I think you need to watch one. You'll enjoy it.
Do you like scary movies? It depends on how scary, I guess. Like, I don't want nightmares. Yeah.
But I also like... That's why you watch scary movies.
But is it like...
You might feel for a second like, oh, this is kind of scary, but then they immediately make you laugh.
Yeah. And then it's like a dick joke. A dick joke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Love a dick joke.
Were they on your side or off your side? I don't know. Don't care. Okay.
Absolutely. Mom catches heat for agreeing to pay for her daughter's wedding, but not her stepdaughter's. Ooh. Valid. I'll give a little more context if you want.
Yeah, please.
Okay, so the two daughters have gotten engaged, and only Hannah was informed that her wedding would be paid for. When Alexa asked her father if he and her biological mother would be paying for her wedding, he told her no. He said she should have a wedding that she and her fiance can afford.
The sisters went to lunch and Alexa found out that Hannah's wedding was being paid for and she called her dad crying that it's unfair.
The dad.
Alexa asked her father. Yeah.
So it's the dad. It's her stepdaughter. So the dad is the biological parent. The mother is the stepmother.
I think it's dirty. I don't like it.
If the mom, if I want to pay for River's wedding and you had a kid with someone prior, you can pay for their wedding. You and her mom can pay for that wedding.
Yes, that is what happened. The mother was saving up for the wedding.
So John believes that they should split the money evenly between the sisters, although the woman told him no because I was the one who had been saving the money. I'm team mom here.
Yeah, valid. Team mom. How long have they been married? Do we know that?
Have they been married for like, has the stepdaughter been in her life for like five years? That's the thing.
Is it like they got remarried when the stepdaughter was like 10 or when she was like 30? Because I think that's also different.
I am not sure.
I think the stepchild's biological mom and her biological dad should step up to the plate and help her out.
No, I'm team mom.
Yeah.
I have step siblings. I'm also team mom.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you were going to say, if you're going to go to a pizza joint, just get married.
And they also did it before they opened to the public 11 a.m. So there's not a ton of kids just running around.
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I think I'd probably do like a movie theater that's had the arcade in it. Okay. Definitely would love that.
Another dilemma. Uber is giving out free month of rides for teens who fail their driver's test. I feel like this is an Uber scam. I don't know.
So we're congratulating them for failing their test? So like dumb kids get free rides?
The reason they're doing it is to basically, they're trying to help the parents out. So they're saying because the parents have busy schedules with like dropping them off at practice, to school. Take care of your kids.
I'm not putting my kid in an Uber.
Why don't you have driving lessons for kids then? Like, I... Ooh. Right?
Maybe teach them a skill. Instead of putting them in a car along with a stranger. Yeah, teach them how to drive. Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe that's what they're doing. The driving test can be hard for some people.
Not for me. I passed with flying colors.
I failed my first one.
You did?
Yeah.
Your written test, you failed like three.
Wait, what do you mean? So you stopped at just an intersection that was go?
No, no. Some of them do. You're putting your life in danger. But some of them, no.
Nick, Natalie, who is going to be the one to sit in the car and do all the hours with River? Me.
Do you think you'll handle it more calmly? I just feel like... She thinks she's a better driver. I do think I'm a better driver. And I feel like we learned that with your whole... What story was that? Running out of gas story.
Yeah. I don't know if that has anything to do with my driving skills, but...
We also failed your adult test a few times. You just admitted to that. And you failed your first test.
I did. I do still have a Georgia driver's license.
Oh, I'm getting threats in my DMs. I'm getting you better stop talking about Justin or else type of DMs.
I'm sure they will now.
She might just be from Jersey. She was in the super teaser.
Did she read the complaints and the lawsuits and stuff?
I think my favorite entrance was Latia. She's bad at basketball, but she like had the sparkly. She just, the dress was insane. I mean, honestly, I feel like the fashion this season was kind of black.
In 10 years, there are going to be a bunch of Twitter threads being like, Blake Lively was always the victim and you guys just didn't know. You see it with Amber Heard. It's just such bullshit. It's like maybe we could just believe a woman.
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No, a few of them pulled it off. A few of them look like they were just like guests at like a cocktail wedding attire.
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I liked her. Alicia. Alicia.
She was giving fashion.
so upset when they murdered me and when i found out they didn't banish boston rob that night i do i mean that is a good take but i do and i said this with wells i feel like the people you throw out at the round table i mean clearly none of them were traitors but it was like what she thinks they are what what were you kind of going off of
She was giving fashion.
I'm not coming after you.
I don't know. It all kind of gives prom dress to me, but it's cute and I like it. And I thought they were all really sweet.
I feel like Rose could have maybe pulled something more. She just had like a silk satin dress, you know. Chloe, the red high neck, was also kind of giving wedding guests.
Do you feel like that's why Danielle is kind of, no one's really suspecting hers because she has these like crying moments and she,
Oh, God.
What about Dina? Dina's dress was... Oh, Dina looked amazing. She slayed.
Yeah. Dina looked amazing. So did Zoe, the t-shirt, shooting the t-shirt. That was my favorite.
That was awesome.
Isn't she like an engineer? Yeah, engineer and model. That's so tight. That's awesome.
What was your reaction to seeing Danielle turn on Carolyn?
I feel like that would be at the round table my only argument of like, you know, if you don't have anyone so early on, it's like you've got nothing. It's like, well, let's go for Wes because you're a gamer and like it's got to be For some reason, maybe yes, maybe no, but like might as well try to take out a gamer first.
I didn't either. Maybe he was like, I feel like I have to give it to her because if she brings a llama and then she doesn't get the first impression rose, that's a little... I couldn't take the skits with the llama.
What color are your eyes are the most insane things I've ever seen?
They're green. Oh, they're so pretty. Oh, my God. Thank you. Well, I'm I would love to cover Potomac at some point. So maybe we will start.
Please come back.
It was a bit much. It was too much.
I'm sure you have opinions on what's what's going on. And we can get you on here to just talk some shit about your previous cast.
Everyone was doing it.
Then Jesse was doing it.
I loved it. Alicia beefing with the llama. I was like, I love Alicia more for this.
Look at our Bambi. Hi, guys. Hi, Nikki.
I was. I'm never joining an alliance again. No, I'm just kidding. I'm all about alliances.
We actually went... I'm trying to say this without being whenever Chris shell came home. So that could be up all the way at the finish and who knows, but when she was able to have her phone, she, I was her first phone call and she honestly is the sweetest thing.
We love, we love Chris shell, but. but like vibes, energy, huh?
I know I was shocked. Um, and I knew at the point, the minute, cause that was towards the end of like, just going at it with everyone. And then I knew that like, my fate was sealed. Like that was death to me.
Totally, because for our challenge earlier that day, like Rob made it a point to join our car. So it was like us Bambis. And then he came in, which I thought I was like, oh, that's interesting. Like he really wanted to go with us. And and I legit did not think he was a traitor only because I swear it's in our handbook. Traitors aren't allowed to out traitors like that's like a rule.
So when the whole situation with him and Bob went down and how like you guys should see that raw footage, it was insane. I'm thinking when everyone had those theories, I'm like, yeah, that's smart because it was super heated. But like, you can't do that. You can't out a traitor like you're a traitor.
I mean, just how they were going at it. It was so heated and it went for like 15 minutes. And like, I can't even remember the stuff they're saying, but it was just like, I thought they were about to physically fight. It was pretty nuts. Wow. I know it was like really intense and I was in shock and that, and you know, it's funny because I w I got really close with Bob.
And when you start this whole journey, you share a van with some, like with a few people before you, like we do stuff for three days before even actually starting the day. So it was Gabby, Bob, Tony, and I like the whole time. So we all four got really, really close. You get close with who's ever in a van. And Bob, to me, is one of the funniest people.
Like, I just I loved him off camera, made all of us cry, laugh, like just super funny. And so he played me great. Like, I had no idea that he was a traitor. Like, I totally was manipulated and brainwashed and like, no way. So when my reaction, my reaction was real. I don't know why people thought I should have thrown a chair in the air, flip the table like that.
made some big dramatic, like, oh my gosh, Bob's a traitor. Like I was actually shocked. And I was kind of shocked that that was a target on my back of how I reacted.
Or at least she could have, I feel like, come to you and been like, hey, your reaction in the car set off some red flags with me. Yeah.
Whoa. I was super shocked. I was like, wait, what? All right.
I actually, what kind of was crazy, I was more like sad and emotional. Like, like, okay. So I've been a sports girl my whole life, soccer, then wrestling. All I've ever known is a sisterhood. I'm an identical twin. Like I just, so an alliance for me and like being in a girl's group, like that makes sense for me. That's how I roll. That's how I work well with.
So when that happened, I, I was actually just taken back and it made me emotional, which I was like, oh my gosh, why am I so emotional about this? But it actually like hurt me. Like I felt, I guess, betrayed. And so I was like, I don't want to cry. Like, can we just like, wait a sec. Cause I hate showing emotions that way.
But, um, I was more mad at the others for accusing my personality that fired me up. Like when Wes and I went at it the night before the week before I actually, my blood was boiling. Like as if I was in a bar fight in college, like I just hadn't had that feeling in so long. And I think when people were coming at me expecting me to be a WWE wrestler and like be this big heel from 2017.
I'm like, what? I'm like, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard. And then the night after then to get attacked, like, you're just too cool and calm. And I was like, what? Like, that stuff pissed me off. In my head after that argument, I was like, I think I just want to go home. And then when Chrishell spoke up, I was like... I might even argue anymore.
I'm so done and over this night to defending myself for stupid shit. And I was like, done.
Oh, yeah. I mean, big time, like, Tom the whole time had to like remind all of us, like he wouldn't let them make him be a traitor because of his past. And it was like, dude, that has, what are you even talking about?
It's just, I guess I went in there like just playing the game of whatever people are going to play the game with, you know, I didn't think about people's characters or who they were years ago. So it's super annoying, especially because like, when your fictional character is getting brought up. It's not even like, oh, so you were like this on Total Divas and Total Bellas.
It was straight up like when you were heel with a written script, how you would scream at people, this is how she must be and she's hiding it.
Did you practice or was your speech kind of off the cuff? I feel like it was so good. It hit the nail. I mean, just being like, maybe y'all shouldn't
come after people's personality you know if you don't know them and then you're like I'm ready to get home to my kid yeah thank you no that was like just off the cusp because what was crazy about that day I had no idea everyone was talking behind my back like I had no idea no one came to you it was already a struggle for me because that was as you girls would know it was day two of my period and my period was insanely bad like I
I, during the game, you can't even see the producer to my left. Maybe that's what Chris shell picked up on a little PMS. Yeah. I go, so maybe your energy was up. I go, well, yeah, but they knew I played in bed that day. Like I was cramping hard and I did miss my son, but like, you know, it was like, Whatever. And Rob like was just there all the time. And I was like, dude, I can't.
This is just a lot today. This should have been an off day. But so maybe that was the energy. Maybe that's what it was.
Yeah. But it was literally right before we're going in. Well, before they make us be quiet, before we go in is when I, someone told me, I can't remember who, but it was like, they're coming after you in this round table. And I was like, wait, why? Wait, I'm sorry. Didn't we just like end this the past week, which was actually the night before.
And so I was fully blindsided, like had no time to prep, had no time to change people's minds before this. So the out was just what I felt.
That I think that night was just me. Wow.
So much for a no drama llama. How did y'all feel about Bailey's constant selfies?
No, totally. Dylan was such a stud the whole time. And like, I connected really well with him off the bat. Um, super cool guys, super smart. And he plays the game really well. And I think that's what bothered him. Cause like, obviously you don't get to see everything. So I was really onto Danielle and just watching other seasons because I was actually a fan of the show before the offer came in.
When you're so convinced someone's a traitor, it's like you almost don't want to point them out yet till you get other people on board because they're just going to murder you that night. So like what happened to Jeremy our season? So Dylan and I would have really great conversations. And I think, I mean, I feel like he reminds me of Peter from last season, but he's really, just really great.
Leia was triggered oh my god I fucking hated that I literally who she is she's an influencer it just when I thought I was like oh this is too much and then she kept doing it yeah also not great quality I'll say that they weren't great quality there's a vision into your life Grant I mean like take a picture of me
And he has balls too, which I like, like he, he's just, he's really great at this game. And I, I see this season watching it now. Now I get why it felt like chaotic when we were there because I feel like the traders are so messy. Usually traders go in and they're all like, they have a plan, right? Now I know why it was so chaotic before we'd go into those round tables.
Like you would literally be like, okay, I have my person I'm going to put. And then literally 10 minutes before everyone's running around saying this or that. And you're like, wait, what? And then you get in your head. And I feel like it's kind of shown this season and why everyone votes for the same person. Cause they are like, have their person before they go in and then they get rocked a bit.
So then everyone follows each other, except Dylan. Dylan sticks to what he wants, but like,
Yeah, I think Gabby, she just needs to start speaking up. But I think Gabby is doing a great job. Like she it's like she just needs to trust her gut and her instincts because it's there for her. And so I think she'll start to shine. I'm curious to see how she's next week with me being gone because we were so buddy buddy, even more so than Grishel. Like Gabby and I were together all the time.
Like, we couldn't wait to get our glass of wine at the end of the night because we only get one. And, like, we just hung out the whole time.
Yeah. And there was, like, some nights where it was just too late. And Gavin and I were like, wait, no. But, like, you all promised to get lots of wine. So, please. After our day-to-day. Like, not even two? No. And those days are, like, 12 hours, sometimes longer. When you get stuck in a coffin, it's...
insane yeah how long were you in that coffin for it had to be almost two hours oh my god so we like it was no break no like hey feeling a little claustrophobic like crazy so you have to wait for everyone to go like leave then you have to wait for then the traitors to make the decision then the traitors to come kill and then for the traitors to leave till we were allowed out of our coffin and then they let sierra and i out and jeremy was still in there
And I was so upset about it because, well, Jeremy and I clicked and he, like, little did we know we were talking too much in front of Bob, who was a traitor. But yeah, so he had to be there for a really long time. It was a rough, rough night.
What if you had to pee?
Couldn't because he couldn't see anyone. Like, and then not only that, then you go to green screens after. So you're like, you're hitting up your green screens at like 1 a.m. Like. Just, it was rough. The whole thing was rough. And I'm so not a gamer. I loved the experience, but I was like, I came home and I told Bree and I go, yeah, I'm not a gamer at all. It's not fit for me or my personality.
I think he's becoming too obvious. Honestly, I feel like all the traders are so obvious. I wish I have it in my book. Every night, I would write down Carolyn and Danielle. I'm so mad at myself for not just on my out when I was leaving. I wouldn't be like, oh, and everyone look at these two because it's so obvious.
I caught them talking all the time by themselves in a way that didn't seem like when you would walk in on Gabby, Chrishell, and I just laughing and having fun. They seemed like they were scheming. Now, I think Rob... I think after the Bob thing, people were a little like, hmm. And then I feel like now he's just getting a little too obvious.
I will say I liked the Bob bit. Like the Bob bit was cute. That was funny. But it was just like the constant selfies that it was like, OK, I mean, I guess it must have been some producer's phone. They're like, here, take this in with you.
I mean, at all. Like, it's crazy. I think it's what's made it so confusing for the Faithfuls, because usually the traitors, like, they're just, you know, they're a group. They're their own alliance.
I don't know. Because this is what's weird. Everyone was talking about it. Like, even from the day of us being on the boats, like, people were like... Like, I just remember saying, like, that crying didn't seem real. But then a lot of people were hooked that Dorinda was a traitor. So... I think it made people forget. And then Dorinda got murdered.
But I would hear people talk about Danielle like almost every day. And for some reason, so maybe I don't know if this makes them great. It would get so chaotic the 10 minutes before that people would be going in fighting like Sierra and I just it just got pinned on us. So then we'd argue and everyone kept Like forgetting about her, like even after when she gave her shield up.
Yeah. Yeah.
There are people being like, oh, my gosh, Danielle. And then I'm like, but how how has no one brought her up?
And it's just like she was shaking after.
Honestly, I'm like, I love how Dolores was like, oh, this is getting like she was like, don't save me. I love the housewives. I was so sad when they kept getting murdered because I'm like, no, you guys, I'm getting like front row entertainment. Oh, yes. Yes.
I just feel like maybe since the US version is... you know, celebrity TV personalities, whatever season, maybe it does need to be a bit more produced. I feel bad saying that because they don't produce at all. They don't have any interference, which is really cool. But then it's like, there's some characters you want to stick around. So I don't know. I mean, that would ruin the game, but.
Well, goodness. I mean, I have my show, The Nikki and Brie Show. That's on SiriusXM. And I think that's it.
Okay, so she was supposed to do season two. And she said no, because she was like, if they bury me alive, I don't think so. And I'm like, girl, you out. But after like, seeing the few round tables, even though Brie would eat people alive, like see, I'm always the calm and cool one. But when you like go at it with Brie, Brie knows how to run her mouth. Like she's amazing at it.
So even like the Bella army has totally been going crazy on social and saying like Brie should have tagged in and like took care of shit. She would have. But I'm like, Brie, you should really do it next season. But she's like, no, it's she feels like gaming. The gaming stuff isn't for her. Like when she heard my story, she's like, yeah, I just don't think so.
Yeah, definitely.
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It didn't live up to everyone's hype. All I got to say is we rebooted Roni to just have another dark season. Like it was just a very dark, heavy episode of stuff you think nobody would cross the line to do.
It's just upsetting.
I can go at it and then see where you can fill in the dots if you want to.
So basically, Uba kind of just made like a one-off conversation and the Sprinter van being like, well, maybe Brynn did sleep with someone to get her job.
things are getting a little bit heightened and then that's when uba is like that comment but then brin basically was like saying you told me to put a dick in my mouth you told me to put a dick in my mouth so she keeps repeating that it was like i never said that like that's like i'm sorry but i never said that eventually the women are start being like uba don't common like shit talking phrase people say yeah well no no i mean she still never said it like suck a dick yeah yeah
I mean, Uba still never said it. And then the women of the group started saying, like, stop, like, calling her a whore and, like, slut shaming her. And basically Brynn brings half the group aside and alleges that Uba knew that Brynn was assaulted and that she's then still decided to slut shame her. Yeah. Yes. She's using very strong words. She's not filtered. She's saying what happened.
And now these women are like, why would Uba do this? Like, why would she do this? But they're not telling Uba. They stop rolling.
They're trying to protect Brynn.
Meanwhile, Erin is like, guys, why are we crying? What happened? And the women are like, that's not our story to tell. Like, this is something very serious. Basically, they stop rolling that night. They're starting to take mics off. Jessel goes into Uba's room and she's like, hey, like, I just want to, like, check in with you, like, Brynn told us that she told you you were assaulted.
Why would you be like saying these things to her? Uba knows nothing about this. So she basically is like starts like freaking out. She's like crying in the corner.
First she's crying. She's like curled up in the corner. Like why would she say this about me? Like why would I? I don't remember this happening. Like I would have never said this if I knew this. Then she turns into basically going out there and she's like talking to producers and And like the group being like, you guys let her say this on camera. Like she's starting this thing that did not happen.
I swear this did not happen.
She's crying. She said this is between God, me and Brynn. And she's like, I did not do it these days.
So basically, she's out there. She's asking the woman. She's also asking Brynn, like, why would you say this? Producers, why would you let her say this on camera? All the women are like, we don't know what's going on. Everybody's screaming. We don't want to invalidate Brynn. But at the same time, like Uba looks like she's like so caught off guard.
producers are involved i've seen those clips of uba just losing right losing her mind she goes to a hotel with jessel and basically i mean this is me like kind of shortening a little bit but brin comes into the room later that night after multiple other conversations and she's like come to think of it maybe uba didn't clock that i said like told her that i was like assaulted yeah she's like so maybe that did not happen so then instantly all the women are like i don't want to invalidate you but like so you're telling me that you might be lying in this moment yeah
Which could be a form of coping. Jenna said that.
Is there a reunion?
But in between that, basically the women, they brought Uba back and they were like, we believe you, by the way. Like, we believe you didn't know. That being said, we think Brynn's going through a lot. They shoot the title cards like four days later.
Brynn did a Rolling Stone...
And before the Rolling Stones, she didn't apologize to Ubo?
No.
No, the opposite of what she did was they shot title cards like four days later where they hold the apples up and nobody really like addressed it. And like Ubo wasn't talking to her and Brynn, the way of her, Brynn's response was, why does nobody not care about me? Like, why is nobody checking in on me and asking me about that night after she was like, we're good? So it's a lot of back and forth.
And then to Mary's point, she did a Rolling Stones article that released when the finale dropped that was like answering the questions.
Yeah.
I did like Juliana a lot. I wish she would have actually taken a bite of that cannoli, though.
Yeah. And then I also think some context around Bryn spinning things throughout the entire season is that Bryn's previous employment was doing PR for companies such as Shell Oil, Johnson & Johnson, Unilever, and most popularly, quote, working on the BP Deepwater Horizon Gulf oil spill.
Well, then another caveat is that so when they did the first season of this reboot cast, there was another housewife I was filming and she was like, they've done photos. They were teasing her to be one of them. And then she dropped out during filming and nobody ever knew like what happened. They were just like, she just pulled herself from being part of the cast.
Yeah, she really just only got the edge.
She spoke out when this finale aired and she was like, Bryn's the reason I didn't do it because Bryn starts rumors that harm people's reputations intentionally. Yeah.
And it's complicated because obviously Brynn has a lot of trauma and had an awful thing happen to her. But then it's just this dark and messy and upsetting situation for a Rhoni season that in the beginning was just boring and then finally gets dramatic and it's in like- Not even dramatic, toxic. Toxic and awful. In the darkest way.
And she was chewing for forever.
She may have been, like, nervous, dry mouth. You know, when you, like, try to eat something and you're like, oh, no.
Jenna tells Brynn to stop spinning and to just stop talking.
Jenna's wearing a luxury bathrobe to the reunion.
Relationships with your jewelers.
She had lipstick on. What is she supposed to do, ruin the makeup? Yeah, I think she should go for it.
Wrapping up headlines real fast, reality TV. So James Kennedy is not facing charges now. We know this. Allie Luber did post finally in response to the arrest.
If you're going to do a bit, commit. Let him wipe the cannoli off your lip.
Open up that throat and go in for the kiss.
Also, like, do a real lady in the tramp.
Yeah.
You know, I want... I want it real.
Yeah.
Salt Lake City reunion.
From bench warming bitch to first chair. First of all.
What about Parisa's slideshow?
It was crazy that she couldn't at all give any like I fucked up. I'm sorry with the whole Bronwyn Gwen mentioning the miscarriage on the after show. It was like no part of her could see. And then Meredith being like, that's why she's crying is because she said it's like, no, I think she's crying because like no one is agreeing with her. You know, it's like.
It was cute. I loved it.
I always knew she was a gem.
Laying on her stomach. I'm kind of obsessed with her.
My mom took this rule so far. I remember we'd be in the grocery store and she would see one of her clients. Truly, she'd see one of her clients and she would not say anything because it's like, oh, what if the woman they're with is their wife and they don't know that they just bought a necklace or a ring. It's like they don't know that they're shopping indoors.
You cannot approach anyone that you know because you don't know what's going on in their personal... It was like she took it so serious. So the fact that this... in quotes, jeweler was texting Lisa being like, she didn't even buy that. She's like, I mean, I wish Andy would have read some of those messages. The fact that he was like, yeah, it's not very good.
I will say it also kind of doesn't make sense. Like, I think Lisa and Emma has brought
Bronwyn also went on Watch What Happens Live and like talked about it but like the details she was saying didn't also add up to the reunion where like she basically said that her friend or the jeweler was reached out to by a reporter so that we can assume that might be Lisa that might not be Lisa and basically she said we bought the necklace but then given this economic environment or climate we decided not to go forward with the necklace so we got like a smaller one made but then it became like
We were having the smaller one made, but then we found out about her talking to Lisa, so then we decided not to buy it. But then in the reunion, she's like, but we did buy it. So it's kind of like, what's the truth with the necklace to begin with?
And it's just like, like, she is just so unable to, like, remove herself from her own point of view in any sort of way.
I felt her pain. Yeah. But don't say it. She said it. She said, I'm here to catch traitors. She's an empath.
I like to think she's a good friend until like you come in her way. That's not being a good friend though.
I like to think that Meredith rides less for Lisa and Lisa rides for Meredith and that's why Meredith keeps Lisa around.
But I will say Todd did, and I kind of wish Todd didn't reference the like blowjobs rumor, like rumors surrounding Lisa too, where he was like, she uses you for the jazz suite so she doesn't have to work for herself. And I'm like, yeah, that was probably not great. Wish we didn't go there, but.
Yeah. But then he also said that what Lisa did on the after show was quote libelous. So that's, I mean, he just said that. So it's definitely a strong word to use. And Bronwyn also said, this is really dastardly of her, which is an incredible word to use. Like dastardly. It's just like... Vile. Vile. Wicked and cruel. Dastard. I don't know. It's a very Bronwyn word to use and I enjoyed it.
Meredith did call Angie the backup dancer in the WAP video.
The most offensive thing that you can call Angie, I guess. I liked you better when you were a backup dancer with Monica and Jen Shaw's WAP video.
And then Angie goes, I was a main character in the video. I wasn't the dancer, but I was a main character.
I am nobody's backup dancer.
Yes.
Meredith did claim that she was trying to get on the show every single season on our podcast, too. So.
And then Angie was on, I did hear an interview with Angie where she had said that she auditioned originally for the show, but didn't fully realize that. She thought it was more of like a business opportunity. So she kind of like went in as businesswoman Angie versus housewife Angie. And so she didn't get it the first time. And that's why she said she didn't get it the first time.
And it went to somebody else.
I think it just is interesting context in the iconic feud that is Angie and Meredith.
and to be fair she earned her snowflake getting a flute of champagne dumped over her head by Jen Shaw so I'm like San Diego she's also my mom's favorite so I think it's fucked up that Brittany isn't just part of the reunion period I just well she's a friend I don't give a fuck she carried the season Nick she can't sit on the couch though because Andy's gonna ask like five questions she's gonna be like what about me yeah what about my turn and I wanna hear it every time also logistically speaking friends don't sit on the whole time I don't think no they don't I know they don't but again like
I think, do you think she'll be made housewife next season? I mean, you said everyone's coming back.
As of now, we know that she's a friend still. And she also was, she's hired by the realty company that sold on SLC. So who knows if she's doing like a two season.
So in shock when she was a friend delivered.
She's a performer. To her point, I think she needs to be a full-time so we know her full character so she doesn't look so, like, coming out of the woodworks with What About Me? Because clearly she has, like, family issues, drama, like, trauma.
The only problem with Britney being full-time is that would be more Jared. Yeah.
They are official now. I want more Jared. I don't.
She looked like Mariska Haggerty. That's all I could think the whole time. She did. Special victims unit. Haggerty.
No, I'm hearing the preview of what he texted Bronwyn. Him saying that he's bigger than any man she's ever been with. Like, what a fucking fat piece of shit.
I guess I'm more so just like, I don't need the man, you know? If you're going to have a toxic person, yeah. I don't need Jared's nasty comments towards women, you know? I could do without.
Yeah.
He doesn't come to reunion, right?
I don't think so. I would assume that they weren't official by then. The post came after they shot, so.
She made me see her more guilty because I was like, I thought they stole your pictures. Now you're saying you did use the stock footage for a little bit.
Law and order. Law and order. Your girl? Who looks like her? Parisa.
Also, I am very glad that Andy was like, Lisa, you realize that this one blogger's 10,000 followers versus our platform, he finally called her out for being like, just because it's on one Instagram post and it doesn't equate to it being this rumor that everyone knows about and that you need to bring to national television.
Do you think Lisa DMs Meredith? Like, that's the power dynamic there? Because Meredith is a queen of DMs, Lisa's the one of just knowing things that are happening.
People just tell me things, I don't ask. I wouldn't put it past them. Should we get on to Southern Charm?
Of Southern Charm? Yeah.
Okay.
Interesting. I do not see that at all. Sorry, Justin.
Right. JT's crazy.
You're right. I hate JT now.
And I didn't appreciate Shep's two cents of being like,
I love her. Yeah, kind of. But she did it in a very cute way.
I wish she would have like kind of, and maybe she did and they cut it out, but I wish she would have leaned into like AI really knows us. Because that was AI as fuck.
She's grinding. She's in her career mode. She's a New Yorker through and through.
Sally saying she sucked dick for a little bit.
A little bit.
That was a great line.
Awesome line, Sally.
That was pretty awesome.
Not long.
Sucked it a little bit. She sucked a little dick. Oh. And then wrapped it up.
Well, in my head, it's like, well, you probably did more than that, so you're just downplaying it by making it, like, just a little bit.
Licked it up a little bit.
She did say like in the car or like by the car, right?
Let's just... She said only for a little bit. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
And then the Vanita romance with JT, I'm also just like, it's so orchestrated and I love Vanita, but like.
I just hate that Taylor, like her boyfriend keeps getting thrown under, like he's not on this show. You know, like we see him in tiny little glimpses. We have Sally who's like, was talking shit about him. We had her this episode even being like, he's an easy name to throw under the bus or whatever the hell she slide comment she's said.
It's just like, I just hate that this person who didn't sign up for the show is like the butt of every joke, you know, and is like everyone's trying to tear him down.
Joe.
It's Schwartz.
I thought she was good at photoshopping. No, it was a little wonky.
It's just clear that Taylor is... finally happy and secure and like good in her life and her relationship. And like these people want to tear that apart. And I'm just like,
That's why I wish she would have been like AI knows us so well and it maybe would have.
Yeah.
The way I saw it is that this group of cast friends are not friends with Taylor. Because in the beginning, Vinita's saying, we all said we don't trust her. It's like, well, so we're just using her to expose her, make her a storyline.
But it was really nice to see Molly's concert. Yeah, she played me.
There were like six fingers in there for sure. Yeah. I bet that Parisha would like make a mean YouTube video essay though.
Molly's great.
Her saying she can't play tuba as well because of her lip filler. Yeah.
It was so cute.
It sounded very good.
I don't think she... Get more lip filler, girl. I feel like you got more. Yeah. Or put it in there. Oh my God, that Amashir gorge.
The angle of her playing the tuba, I was like, I respect her so much that she was like, sure, put it there. I don't care what I look like.
Shout out to band kids in reality TV. You don't get to see too many.
Yeah.
Yep.
And he's testifying or as a part of this ASAP Rocky trial that we were just talking about last week.
As a cop, we can only assume he's testifying against ASAP Rocky. He was the cop that arrived to the scene first.
I was shocked that Alicia got second to last rose after they kissed and had such a moment and cute banter. Yeah. They had a lot of chemistry. Could you imagine y'all kissing and then him being like, you gotta go.
I think you need to watch old Erica, like Gerard Jane scenes where she's talking about her son being a cop because it's entertaining.
What was it? It was a Berlin. What was the trip where Erica's like, don't ever talk about my son? There's that, which is iconic. Lisa Vanderpump was there. Then we have when Tom Girardi was caught. There was Erica spinning the story of when she found Tom Girardi and she was like, he drove down a hill and then my son came.
He rolled his car six times? I remember that, yeah. But then it was snowing during the summer. It was snowing in Beverly Hills? Yeah. So many details. In the summer?
She's no Britain when it comes to this thing. People use it for like the, I don't want to talk about Tom's car was broken in and he was like.
But then also Tom like did raise Erica's son as if it was his son too. So, I mean, it's sweet on that part, but. Sure. Very entertaining surrounding the sun.
It's unclear. When she was telling the story, it became different people. And then there's different details.
That's such an Erin Brockovich line. Is the best part of it. That's how you are. Two wrong feet and fucking ugly shoes. She could body that role.
I did see a headline recently of Cal Richards' new reason why she returned to Beverly Hills. Because every single week there's a new headline. That's an amazing headline. Her new reason?
Her first reason was that she, like, she... Wasn't it that she had been on the show for so long and just, like, needed a break?
She was overwhelmed and became depressed, so she quit for a week. Yeah.
Kyle's current reason is that it's because she's known production for so long. And, like, she... It's such a big part of her life that she just, like...
For the team and the family.
For the team and the family. She didn't want to walk away. But are these words from Kyle's mouth or is these sources? Those are words. I know that after 14 years of being on this show, production has been family to me. And through all my ups and downs, they have been a constant in my life. And I thought to myself, what would I do if all of a sudden that's removed from my life too?
It's almost as if you're in the wrong if all your friends disagree with you.
The thing about Kyle in that conversation with Dorit I can't get over is her being like, well, I never saw that side of PK. It's a little victim blamey on Kyle's part talking about Dorit where she's like, well, I never saw that.
It was like watching Bambi's mom shoot Bambi.
Wait, rose in the clay rings. I thought that was cute. The mood ring? The clay rings.
Oh, my God. I was with them. I was like, is this an ex? Like, this is so shady. She looks exactly like Grant. I feel like as soon as they saw her, they would have been like...
They're doing the damn thing.
Zoe. I think Juliana for sure. Zoe, yeah. Latia. Was Zoe basketball?
No, that's Latia. No, that was Janae. Oh, no. Janae did the chalk and Janae went home. I was really bummed.
Zoe was the t-shirt gun.
Latia had the sparkly basketball.
Rose.
Alex. There were so many clips of her like sobbing, crying. You can only be sobbing, crying.
Rose was like, you did me so dirty.
Yeah. Mine's Alex. It's definitely not Carolina because you saw that clip of her going to Grant being like, what did you say about me?
Natalie, maybe.
Which one's Juliana?
Juliana's the one who ate the cannoli and they had that cute banter. She was like playing the piano and he was like, you're so talented. And they were kissing and she was talking during the kissing and they were like, oh yeah.
Yeah, I guess. We'll see.
Yeah.
She was crying every two seconds.
In the Super Teas?
No, just that episode. No, just like episode one.
Oh, yeah.
Every conversation, tears.
I don't know why I'm doing this. Yeah. We don't either. Okay.
What do we got? Love is Blind is returning on Valentine's Day for season eight. All right. Love is still in the air. Wow.
The home of Prince.
Midwest drama. Do you think people are actually watching this on Valentine's Day? Because you know the first batch is like three, four episodes. We will be.
I will be. I feel like Valentine's Day is like at this point a little... I feel like less and less people are going out to dinner and doing this big hurrah. I feel like most people now are like, let's order in. Let's watch a movie.
Sounds like a mess.
I just like everything being heart-shaped that you can buy. As someone that really loves a little heart shape, no matter what time of year it is, I get to bulk up.
Nick and I went to HomeGoods the other day. I remember. I just ordered Valentine's Day baskets and I got Easter baskets. And so I was like, okay, I've got to like find some stuff to fill these. And we were in HomeGoods and Nick was like, what is all, I mean, they've got like this heart shaped noodles and glitter. And he's like, who is buying this?
I think she only has one daughter, but yeah. The type of man that she would want her daughter to.
We'll have a new villain.
And so someone referred to Danielle as the girl who graduates high school.
There was no movie in which you were wearing that costume and were filming at that time.
There were probably some straights, but I would say the general people obsessed with Nicole Kidman are gay people.
The fans.
The Nicole, the Kidman heads. Anyway, they said she's lying. They're accusing- Their queen.
They're accusing the mother of movies to be a liar. And I kind of agree. I think she's being like, that wasn't for my divorce. But it totally was.
I don't know. I've seen many Nicole Kidman movie and I never remember her wearing that outfit. That is a very distinct outfit.
That's kind of what I was thinking. That's why I think that they would do a side sauce packet or like when you fill out your what do you want to eat, you can do like a preference. I mean, people do have allergies.
He's literally coming for your throat. Okay, he doesn't know how well I did in school.
They do have cut scenes. Some theorize that it may be a cut scene from Practical Magic. However, she had a blowout in Practical Magic. A lot of it. So I don't think that that's true.
I don't think she was curly that whole movie, was she?
No, she was not.
I don't know. Or maybe she's lying just to have fun. Maybe she really doesn't remember. And she's like, I don't think that's true. And now it's causing a stir. She definitely could be lying. She could be lying.
No, concert, you sing along. Movie, shut up. Unless it's a sing-along version of the film. You're there to watch. Unless you're at the Taylor Swift Eras concert movie.
Exactly. You can sing at the top of your lungs in your living room. I don't know. Can you not laugh at a comedy?
It's wicked.
Not the same.
It's a short bit.
What if your natural verbal reaction to...
yeah then you should get the fuck out the entire theater is just gonna sound like a bad tarzan moment like oh no and is that not a beautiful cinema going not if i pay to see listen to broadway gold okay you think that you are entitled to sing in public but this is for theater kids who are entitled and narcissists rent out the theater rent out the theater for your whole theater group
I don't care about this at all. I think they should be able to sing.
Or, like, wait three weeks when everybody's seen it and you have a whole theater to yourself and pop off. But just not while it's a full theater. Nobody wants to hear you over Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo.
And no one else will hear me, but I will be doing it.
Yeah.
Somebody has like sensory ottery. I'll be around like-minded people.
Did the flight attendants have time to put sauce on everyone's burgers? They're busy.
It's a concert.
It's a little bit different. I feel like a concert you expect people to sing along and the artist is so loud that it doesn't really matter and everybody's in the vibe.
No. You will be removed from the theater.
Hey, I don't have a response at all.
Those burgers, if they're just sitting there waiting for time to eat, they're going to be disgusting by the time where I'm like, at least if they're not sauced up, they'll still hold their shape.
So we'll see. I love an Anne Hathaway moment.
Because she got set up at the Oscars one time with James Franco, and it was really awkward and embarrassing, and everybody just blamed her at the moment, and so there's a lot of residual hate.
Okay, well, it looks good as hell.
Who doesn't in Hollywood? Are you joking?
They do that on the plane too.
She feels like she should cry, so she's trying to make herself cry, but it doesn't come naturally.
Do not call the mother of Electra Katzeneva's fake.
Don't call the father of River Rose fake!
I think about it all the time when I go to them and I'm like, I just want to raise it once. And I'm like, I know I'm going to get stuck with it and be like, I can't do $16,000 for this villa in Mexico.
It's a living, breathing piece of art.
We would never. Justin, how does this relate to Dadaism?
Please.
I don't think a navel orange from California is ever going to truly tickle my fancy for orange juice.
Then how is it freshly squeezed if it's not from California?
It's fair enough, but it's not local, Nick.
Just saying. Is there a straw? Thank you. Here's my beef with those types of straws. The cup is so small, yet the straw is so long. Why not make a smaller straw for a strawler cup?
Feel that. That's not paper.
Okay, vegan leather is made from polyurethane.
Is glue still made from horses?
Yes, all faux leather is vegan, meaning it's made without animal products.
Is Elmer's glue vegan, or is Elmer a horse?
He was just trying to do a funny little bit with his friend.
Guys Grocery Games? Yeah. Is the giraffe from Toys R Us going to be in the show?
He has to be. He's the star.
Yeah, I never went to it either.
When my grandma would take me, it was like,
Freaks out.
God, a Subway and a Walmart has gotten me through so many tough times.
The Subway in the Walmart? The Subway in the Walmart?
You know, I'm from Subway and a Walmart culture, so.
What? Pizza Hut in the Target.
Ooh, cookie dough from a 7-Eleven. Mmm. That got me through college. I don't know about that one.
That is diarrhea immediately.
I love a hot dog. You're talking to someone that door dashed Taco Bell last night.
You door dashed a Crunchwrap Supreme last night? And a Doritos taco while watching The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
Dorit needs to partner with Doritos. She would wear it beautifully as a hat.
That little triangular, that's fashion, fashion, fashion.
Your confession or our confession? Is she down?
Will mom talk ever recover?
Isn't there another one?
I'm handling it. I'm dealing with it. You guys don't need to talk about it. But, like, this is the shadiest cast.
The truth will come out.
But we can't speculate. But, like, they'll throw parties and whatnot and be like, oh, Karen, we got you a non-alcoholic drink named after yourself. Or, like, bring up the fact that she, like, butt dialed them while intoxicated, like throwing a lot of stones at her while she's pretty much saying don't talk about it.
Yeah, it's the tour of Italy. It's a lot. They're going to give you a little bit of everything.
Exactly.
Truly.
Yes. Yes.
Only if there was a Team Joel one for me. We'll get you one.
Thank you.
I need Team Bronwyn. Oh, you guys. I have very sad news about the Meredith Marks bath bomb.
If you were friends, you know, you can be friends with the cooks in the kitchen and be like, hey man, you know.
Okay. My friend, Audra. Shout out, Audra. I love you. Went to the Century City Lush to see if there were any Meredith Marks bath bombs, and they were all sold out, and apparently it was a single-time limited release.
But then it was only a limited run.
I had this whole idea I was going to get one for myself. My friend was going to get one. And then we were going to get one for the show. And then they were completely gone. We could DM Meredith and ask for... Meredith, I have been nothing but kind to you.
I can get them online. You can get them online? Snow place like Salt Lake.
I thought when I clicked they were not available.
$5.50 for 3.3 ounce.
And it has a quote from Meredith saying, everyone knows baths are my thing.
Wait, did the Lush employee lie to my friend?
I was going to say, I'm able to order five, and I just did.
Guys, this is the best. I know what everyone's getting for Christmas.
Is that part of the deal?
I used to, when I was a busser in high school, I used to order, because we couldn't technically get free food, I would order a side of onion rings with my employee discount, and then the line cooks would give me the full plate of onion rings.
Yeah, you are a big deal.
She seemed it.
The finale party.
Yeah.
Mm.
Same.
That's what I said.
What about the Countess? Luanne?
Yeah.
Thank you for the water.
Yes, you did.
Yeah. Do you get workers comp for caring? You should.
I think my favorite... What is on the phone?
Took in the middle of the restaurant?
Wow. Like it was nothing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bliss. Yeah.
Nothing.
When she was doubling down like 10 minutes prior, she was like, nope, yep, I did say that. Nope, yep, yep.
Yeah.
Yeah, I felt like I was in a twilight zone.
So are you the favorite?
That's funny.
She said she didn't want to talk about the past. She was just making sure that people knew that it would be bad if she had to talk about the past because she didn't want to.
As the Meredith fan club president, she did nothing wrong.
Awful. In the best way. It was giving Courtney Cox in Scream 3, which is one of the most iconic haircuts you could ever have. She tried. She tried. She committed to the Audrey Hepburn of it all. She definitely was giving middle school costume.
Really? You're brave.
She's rolling in her grave after seeing that. Yeah, but Bronwyn slid. Bronwyn's clipping bangs. The whole look.
They were all the way back here.
What was Brittany wearing?
She didn't get the memo. She had, like, a silk button-up on. Well, she got invited late, so she might have not been told about the theme. Mary said she got the same invitation.
No.
Oh, okay.
Amazing.
Oh, great.
I just couldn't see it. I couldn't see it. Yeah. I guess I kind of see it. Interesting.
He is also related to Mormon royalty.
And how we would meet them casually at a party.
It's fake.
Mm-hmm.
I think Erika was the closest to Serialism. She had the eyes referencing a dolly. Anyway, yeah.
You think that was a prop?
Erika's outfit kind of reminded me of All Real Monsters. Does anybody remember that? It's a bodysuit with eyes on it.
Yeah.
That's understandable.
It was messy for sure.
You know the crime.
Well, I guess he's not stripper.
Performers.
They make a lot of money.
You're big.
Yeah.
That is crazy.
It plummeted.
Yeah, Nick's beating you. He's a 4.95. Wow.
You did.
You said 5.
What about you?
Say that. Ooh. Yeah. That's good. Those revs are paid off. That's a favorite. Yeah.
Okay. Well, thank you for asking because this is what I've been building up for my entire life. Okay. So Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman married for a while, married while they were making Eyes Wide Shut. They get a divorce.
they were in days of thunder cars yeah he was he was a nascar driver and she was like tom cruise lightning mcqueen comator you know it nicole kidman sally you know it yeah she got that dumped okay but so nicole kidman and tom cruise get a divorce it was rumored to be a very very toxic ending because of um a certain thing that tom cruise associates himself with scientology yes
and um so they're going through all of that nicole kidman's leaving and she there's this very famous photo of her that we will put up that um i've never seen this you haven't i haven't seen it either i will say what that's crazy it's iconic you're on social media am i though you get the photo i always love it when people tell me to ignore the hate and i'm always like
So basically, the photo of Nicole Kidman is very, very famous. I used it after I left my last job.
It's becoming free. It is rumored to be and widely accepted to be her leaving the court after her divorce was finalized from Tom Cruise. And she was just so hot.
That she got to be free, and it's just this image of freedom that people on the internet use all the time because we love Nicole Kidman. And then she goes and does this interview. Nicole Kidman loves to say things that don't quite make sense.
Orgasming.
Yeah, pearls are hard as well. One time she had this quote where she asked Reese Witherspoon, Reese. Do you ever think about dying? On the set of Big Little Lies. So she loves to run her mouth. And she said that it was not actually from her divorce hearing. It was from a movie. But the Nicole Kidman gays did their research and were like, this does not add up.
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What do you have to say, Leah? I don't know for sure, but does anyone think that Sierra might be doing this to make Wes jealous? Oh, now that is a plot twist.
Why? Maybe.
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Why did he squeak for push-ups? What's on his nose?
This is like your morning. Oh, no. It is my morning. Is that sparkling water? I love him.
This is more than I do in a year.
Did he just rub a banana peel on his face? Wiping a banana peel on your face. How many more? So looking at it, bro, we gotta go ahead and get in at least 10,000.
He's got a chef? Apparently. He must be sponsored by that water. Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Lemon water.
Look at her. She's dressing him.
No socks. No socks? No socks is nuts. I do want that bag.
Yeah, it's not showing any logos. Wow. No. Rolls Royce? There it is. A Rolls Royce.
What does he do?
He's definitely sponsored by that water. Oh, he's meeting his fans.
He does lifestyle coaching.
Period. Period.
It looks like Meredith Marks is going to be performing a DJ set at Outloud Music Festival. She's DJing now? I guess so. Who's Meredith Marks?
He's Hollywood. Don't you forget it.
I do have some questions. Or like, what about JT?
You know, let's ask her.
Everything is organic or everything is made out of something you didn't know could make that substance like pistachio flour.
Like the whiskey round spheres of ice.
For one single strawberry. And then I'm like, what that says to me is that probably if you go to Japan, it's probably like a dollar. And that was all just like shipping and getting the like single-use plastic that's like wrapped around it. Maybe not even that.
I think to buy a $20 strawberry is loser behavior.
Oh, yeah. It was during an interview.
It's like Joe Coy at the Golden Globes throwing writers under the bus for what?
Mary wrote that.
Mary wrote that. Yeah. It's crazy. People would buy that, I bet.
scripted or not I mean I don't know you still said it you still said it whether it came off the top of your head or you approved it and then said it and memorized it and all of the things like you still take ownership on the fact that you said it say it forget it write it regret it during the medley I mean you know she said something that was kind of slightly like piss people off I don't think it's the end of the world I mean like you know
I think they all apply. It's an interesting choice, yeah.
Or blame other people for the joke.
Can we call it a relationship?
Shep's the Lulu Land girl. Cringy, bad, bad.
These like TikTok? These are TikToks?
Could have been just one 10 minute TikTok.
100%.
What did she say?
Her grandmother.
I got an up. I got an upgrade option.
I don't know if she's never sat down and watched an episode with her grandma. I mean, a little embarrassing for Whitney to, like, have a photo that's 10 years old on his dating account, but, like... Well, also, Whitney was drunk on the last episode saying that, like, she matched with him first when it actually came out that, like, He direct messaged her. They were never a match.
So he pursued her for it to go nowhere.
His picture didn't match the person.
I feel like I'm catfishing when my hair is bleached in any of like my like pictures.
Yeah.
At the same time, if you're wondering why it doesn't work out, it's because you don't look like your pictures.
But it also is using a photo that is not what you look like currently today. If you gained 200 pounds and you used a photo of yourself at 100 pounds in college, that's catfishing.
What do you think Mike White thinks about this catfishing situation? Because he did model the family, the Southern family in White Lotus after Southern Charm characters.
Oh, did he?
He did. The youngest son in that family said, Mike told us to go watch Southern Charm. In fact, Jason Isaacs, who plays the dad, modeled his whole accent after Thomas Ravenel. Thomas Ravenel.
Disgraced congressman. Yep. Who literally just dropped out of the race for governor of South Carolina. The same week that he submitted himself, he took himself out.
Do we have that guy's voice?
Thomas Ravenna.
We can find it. It's just a very old Charleston accent.
It sends a chill up my spine of making me feel like I'm in school again.
He was in the first five seasons of Southern Charm.
Oh, my God. The mannerisms are so similar to.
well pretty good pretty good accent isn't it he really did model it and the fact that jason isaacs is like a bravo girly a bravo girly but also like he is shakespearean british yeah and then he's able he's from england yeah he plays um the dad lucius malfoy lucius malfoy in harry potter he was also in the mel gibson's the patriot as a british soldier he's like a bad guy british british see like that
Parker Posey, like the SEC family of it all, just like sends me. I'm like, I know these people so well. Yeah. And I'm like retraumatized.
Probably not. Probably not. Probably not.
The Brawny guy is hot.
Corona commercial. He's sitting on a beach because he doesn't have to go to the city anymore.
But he does have a successful pillow company with two storefronts, and he just opened up a successful bar.
Nobody Wants This Season 2 cast Leighton Meester, Adam's wife. in the upcoming season, and I think everyone's really excited about it.
SAG Awards last night.
Kristen Bell was the narrator of Gossip Girl. Really? Yeah, you didn't know that?
Isn't that crazy? That was her.
XOXO. Gossip Girl.
Now I'm so excited.
It's going to be a while. Or a whole year.
That's crazy.
I love that her show called Nobody Wants This when it's like everybody wants this.
It's kind of a perfect name for a show.
It truly is.
Because you're only setting yourself up to defy expectations. Yeah.
This is the funniest thing I've ever seen. She's been teasing this divorce for so long and then finally... The concept of hard launching your divorce after teasing it, first off. Oh, wow.
Hard launch.
Hard launch.
No, it's a stock photo. You can tell how horrible Photoshop is. That's Canva.
That's not even Photoshop. That's Canva.
Look at it visually and how it goes off the page. Yeah.
The police are always called.
New body cam footage.
I just wish she quit playing and just come back to Atlanta.
Thank you.
Because you can use your points to upgrade.
Yeah.
Yeah.
True.
Thank you.
It's kind of like the McDonald's.
Oh my God, this is why I love going to the airport. This is why I have no problem being there two hours early. I get to sit down.
Just the heat buffet food?
Oh my God, just to like relax. I can like plug in my phone.
Yeah, their lounge is nice.
Their lounges are nice. You can have a private area to yourself if you want. You can sit amongst people. You can grab a drink at the bar. You can sit outside.
Some of it, but some of it's decent. You got a nice coffee machine. Sure.
They just showed, like, a clip of her when Bonita and JT had, like, a talk at the apartment.
Who? Rat? I wrote it? That's crazy.
I wrote it with two big teeth and long tail. No, absolutely not.
So be grateful. Private bathrooms in the lounge that go from the ceiling to the floor.
Sure, but he doesn't really take a hint, you know? He does.
Some of us have only ever heard of the Delta lounge.
Okay. I've only ever seen the sign on the outside.
Yeah.
There's a clip of you crying towards the end of the season. I don't know if it's like a final dinner. Can you tease anything that's coming up?
That's it?
I hate that. No.
What is your take on Craig and Paige breakup? Like how is Craig doing? Do you think it's being handled well?
I don't believe that until I see it with my own two eyes.
Okay.
Oh, it's something special and I would love to show you that experience.
I think I would love it. I love free things.
Ooh, period. Vanita. Are you and Naomi on good terms?
Is there any chance that she might come back to the show?
Yeah, yeah.
Hope so.
Petition? Perhaps? T-shirts? Team Vanita? We can start a revolution.
Bye. Thank you.
She's so cute. That was awesome.
Yeah. We have the same take on Paige and Craig.
I don't want to hug you.
And like, no, it's not.
Exactly.
She called him a bitch ass.
Beta, bitch ass.
And then he went to publication to talk about it more.
Huh? That's what a reunion is. It's addressing things. He said nothing. He refused to answer any of her questions or to give his feedback on anything. exactly like he did when she brought it up at the table, and then he sits there and says nothing, but then is ready to go run and tell a two-page fucking expose on a relationship.
He's not allowed to speak on it.
Speak to the person.
Yeah, speak in the time that you're spoken to instead of going off.
Why am I owed an explanation when I don't give a fuck and I didn't ask for it, but she's not owed an explanation? He can go tell the New York Times, so I know, so my opinion of Wes is different, but he doesn't give a fuck about the one person it actually matters to?
That's an absolute terrible answer.
I mean... Why are you happy for Zoe?
When did you get a concussion?
The bull riding. Bull riding. Remember, Zoe stole her method of going over the horns or Alex would have won.
Do we have any more questions for Alex before we let her go? If asked to be on the beaches of paradise, would we see you?
I'm pretty sure that you get almost like...
That's what he wanted out of me. He wanted to be spicy.
Yes, thank you. Grant gave me the ick when he played the piano. He gave me the ick as well. If he had played piano in Century City...
I have a friend for my opinion.
It makes sense.
her last two conversations were about like other women and situations. So for them, they're just like, so is there going to be something else tonight?
Yeah.
Yeah. I think they're operating in a position where they already dislike her. So now it's like when you know you don't like someone and you know there's that one person that everyone doesn't like, you operate differently with them where everything they does piss you off versus the things that actually deserve to piss you off piss you off.
That's kind of like this wife. I love it. Did you hear about the wife that returned home from surgery to a complaint from her husband? This is so me coded. It is so me. Would you guys like to hear about it? Go ahead. Okay, so basically this woman comes home from gallbladder surgery, very excited to rest and relax in her own home with her family.
Exactly.
For an attorney, it was a weird argument.
And to Zoe's point, the only person who should be throwing a little temper tantrum is the one person who didn't get a one on one this entire time. Like I for sure thought she was going to go home.
Send me home.
Huh?
Yeah. I feel like the producers or whomever is in charge of everything, I'm like, you would never have gotten that, like, I guess I'm the villain. Guess I'm crazy. Like, the whole, like, after, like, you already know somebody's spiraling. I'm like, you know that the drama is going to ensue at this after party.
Very soon after laying down on the couch, her husband brought up a frustration he had with her once again right after she got home from surgery.
Basically, he expressed that he wants her to stop putting his athletic shirts in the dryer, something he had asked her to do before.
It doesn't matter. She was frustrated that this was the time he decided to bring it up to her instead of checking in and asking if she needed anything after the surgery. She told him to do his own laundry from now on if he doesn't like the way she does it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Oh, he doesn't get the remote at night. He doesn't get the water. He doesn't do the nightly errands. And he doesn't pack for himself.
Thank you. Thank you.
Like you're literally signing up to get married in 30 days to someone you've never met before. Of course, shit's going to come out in 30 days.
Acts of service.
Then don't go on a reality TV show to get married in 30 days. I'm just saying you're allowed to have some questions. He can have questions for sure, but he's not even listening to her.
He has to listen to the answers. But he doesn't believe her.
He has no reason not to.
They met two weeks ago.
They weren't a part of the relationship.
Wouldn't you want her to go face to face with those people being like, what do you know about me that I don't know about myself and allow me to defend myself? And instead he goes, I'm going to keep you separate because I don't see a result.
I don't know. Some of them, some of them it's not. So to her, it was not.
My friend said, and it's like, were they in the room?
I see where this is going.
Because he's trying to act like in today's day and age that she's doing something that she might have done something wrong.
We don't give a fuck.
What was in the rest of the suitcase?
Because we're not.
Okay. Well, you know, she does have the photos and the, you know, needs to look nice and the dinners and. Thank you.
But he's going around asking every other couple, are you guys having sex? Because I'm not. I just want to know if you are so I can kind of gauge where I'm at. So I'm like, no, he's not precious. He's only precious about it because it affects him or it's his way of getting out of things. He's not being honest.
If he was actually taking accountability or being like, I want to figure out where this is, you would have her sitting down with the friends that are talking shit and we would conflict resolve this.
His friends do. He was literally like, I'm going to text them to not come because I don't want them to sit face to face with you. Why would that be? They were going to have a full on dinner with him.
And he pulled the plug.
But now you're making it a macro thing where we're talking about two people as to how he's behaving.
I don't think that they're going to make it.
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, a lot of drama for nothing.
I think she freaked out and had like a panic.
No, she said, oh, my God, so many people have unfollowed me.
Sarah.
No, I can't unsee it.
Good for her. Good for her. Your own love is blind. Get the prenup on love is blind. You met him two weeks ago.
We don't know anything about each other.
It's also giving at this point she has more money than him.
Well, yeah. She's got a nicer place. She wants to be a millionaire soon.
I think she walked into his apartment, saw a studio with 500 pairs of $700 shoes, and was like, we're not giving financially responsible people.
28?
No.
Yeah, like, babe, you're a senior.
Is she making it more of a big deal?
Yeah. Well, I can tell you a big issue that I have that I just can't get over. What's that? Monica's story about how she leaves piles of clothes just stashed in her closet to put it on with a spider nest.
I sent her... No.
Well, she said that she likes to leave her clothes in a pile and like she doesn't fold it, but they're clean. And that she said one time she put on a pair of jeans and saw this like white stuff in her crotch. So it's like, yeah, you know what you're thinking it is. And then she goes and then saw something crawl out of it.
And it comes out that it was like a wolf spider who built a nest in the crotch of her pants. She said this on TV? She said this on national television.
Ew.
And Joey, who you're not expecting, likes to like fold his clothes. He likes to put everything away.
He also said he's like gotten over OCD in the past.
Uh-huh. That's sweet.
I'm supposed to get married first. Yes.
Well, also, isn't the sister's boyfriend... Monica's ex. Monica's ex-boyfriend. Or, like, they didn't date... They went on, like, two dates or something and then she... And then they weren't into each other and then she ended up with... I missed that.
Which is, like... That gave me, like, douche pimples. I'm like, there's gotta be more people in your life...
Especially for, like, what, 30 minutes of meeting someone? Yeah. Like, and he's just, what, being kind to your family?
Yeah.
No, and she was like, he's not your type. Your type's a 6'5 Italian model. And even she was like, is that not everybody's type?
Yeah.
It says less than 1%.
Less than 1%.
The average Italian male height is around 5'9", and it is very uncommon to find men exceeding 6'5 in Italy.
Yeah.
Even Andrea Denver from Summer House, Italian model, 6'2". So even then, the one Italian model I know off the top of my head.
It was the reaction to more so where it was cagey. I don't know why she posted it, but I've seen it, so I don't need to watch it again.
Yeah.
But she always DMed me is what he said.
But what does that even mean?
Thanks for sure. Yeah. Make them big, make them nice.
And then I was like, of course she saw it.
Oh, yeah? Yeah. How was that?
I was so betrayed. You got a traitor out.
While you're breaking down in tears. It's a game show.
Doing too much. Well...
I don't hate Danielle as much as everyone else does.
Didn't Bob the Drag Queen say that? Oh, yeah. But he was doing a whole... And anyone that knows Bob... Like, as soon as he said that, me being a fan of Bob, I knew exactly where that was going. I knew it was a joke.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know Danielle outside of the show, but I know Bob from other shows.
Yeah, because traitors operates on a way of like the fun of traitors is watching everyone look stupid. When you know who the traitors are and you get to watch people like look a traitor right in the face and not realize they're a traitor. It's incredible because you're watching. You believe that you're watching people be dumb.
We had... Boiled peanuts, mac and cheese. That was at our welcome party.
So true though. Listen, I heard what everybody else had to say, but you know what? I just don't trust you, Tom. It's you.
And they both know the other one is a faithful.
100%.
They just want the other one gone.
Well, Gabby seems like she's like on to it and catching on what's happening. So I'm hoping she executes before she gets executed.
I worry for her every day.
Right.
Isn't the lore that on Big Brother, it was Danielle and Brittany, and then Brittany backstabbed Danielle?
This is all a game of manipulation. That's what I'm saying.
I didn't say anything.
I agree.
I also think both of them don't really matter because it's TV.
Yeah, for sure.
And also, like, am I wrong? But like, if I were going to recruit somebody as a traitor, I'm recruiting Dylan.
I don't think he had the option to turn it down. It was either you turn it down or you go home. Yeah, this one.
They did.
But this one, they don't. So that's what I'm saying is that I'm like, I would have the option.
That's what I'm saying. I'm like, we're like the most like unsuspecting person that everybody knows is a faithful. Like, why would you not want to recruit that guy? Force him. You know, force.
Also, everyone thinks that both traders are girls right now. So why would you not grab a guy and flip that?
Yeah.
I don't think Brittany's actually going to go to bat for her because at the end of the day, they all want to win. Yeah. So Brittany's going to cut her throat just like she did on Big Brother. Brittany's done it before. She'll do it again. Exactly.
I'm really excited to watch what happens next.
Can I take it out of this? Yeah, sure. What is this? Is this a comic book?
Wow.
We're kind of already talking about it.
Yeah.
Yikes. How'd you get out of it?
Sometimes weddings bring the worst out in people.
That's pretty cool.
You're missing out. There are a lot of villains who are very, very dynamic. Yeah, you can channel some character.
Yeah, it's called 80s Movie or Bravo Villain.
80s just movie.
Correct.
Yeah. All right. So we just show you a quote from either an 80s movie villain or a reality TV villain, and it's your job to guess who said it.
All right, so first up we have, fuck me gently with a chainsaw, do I look like Mother Teresa?
You are correct. It was Heather Chandler from Heathers, 1988. Wow.
You did say that. I thought Juliana for sure and Carolina. So I was very wrong on Carolina, but I was also right on her being the drama. So I'll take it to the bank.
Unless you know, for sure.
If you know, you know. And they can curse in reality TV, so...
They just bleep it. Yeah.
But they say it a lot.
All right. Next up, we have This Town Needs an Enema.
It's the Joker. I thought it was Angie Katzeneva. Angie Katzeneva or Jack Nicholson in a Tim Burton Batman movie.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
All right, next up we have, you can only get hurt so much before you get numb.
That's correct. That was Teresa Giudice from the Real Housewives of New Jersey.
Look at you.
You're killing it.
All right. Next up, I am the devil and don't you forget it.
It could be. Oh my gosh. Knows the name of the movie?
It is not from the classic Witches of Each Wick. It is from Vanderpump Rules said by Stassi Schroeder. All right, next up. So close. We have, you need people like me so you can point your fucking fingers and say, that's the bad guy.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
All right. It's Tony Montana from Scarface. Oh.
Yeah. Wow. I really, I thought this was going to be so much more easy. And then when I was making it, I was like, man, it's kind of hard.
Yeah. Since you're new here, I'm going to cut you a break today. So why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
Oh, wait, hold on. Wait, that's, what movie is that? Is that a Clint Eastwood?
Yeah, that's Biff.
Ding, ding, ding. I love that picture of him. He says it in one. I just put part two because I wanted to put this picture of him in there because it makes me giggle.
no no i think he's i think he's delusional yeah yeah which we've all been there you know you know that that text message that was sent i mean not in the bahamas that text message he deserves to go to prison yeah but i'm like even if you're like 16 14 30 40 whatever i feel like some and in one point in your life ever received that but have you ever sent a message Absolutely fucking not.
Oh, it is?
It's incredible.
Okay.
All right. Well, next up we have, if I give you a Chanel necklace and you choke on it, that's your problem, not mine.
It is. It's Lisa Barlow from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Lisa Barlow. They should make Salt Lake City into a musical. It would actually be really, really good.
Yeah. All right, next we have, stop acting like you're the number one fucking guy in this group. I'm the number one guy in this group.
Jesus. Wow.
There's not a lot of... Oh, you don't know who this is?
Well, that should tell you the answer.
Jack Taylor? It's Jack Taylor from Vanderbilt. There's a lot of reality in this. Jack Taylor maybe could be an 80s movie villain. He does say a lot of things that you might see in a biff from Back to the Future.
Please.
Oh, my God.
Well, yeah. It's too far, but I'm just saying that text message of like, oh, I'm divulging all of my feelings in hopes that this will win you over. And it's like, oh, my God, no. They were never on the same page, same channel, same show.
Ending anything with, thank you for listening to my TED Talk, jail.
Yes. Jail. Also, for sure, don't tell me how I feel. Nope. I know that you love me.
Exactly. Maybe 14.
Like, don't make me feel like I'm seeing eye to eye with Austin. Like, Austin was one of my favorites this episode. And I was like, how is that happening?
Why?
Just because he was just giving me just being real, like not sugarcoating it and being like, no, man, like maybe she'll get something. He was like, you shouldn't have sent that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Have you ever laughed?
They have.
Yeah.
I know, I cannot wait. Fuck!
This
Yeah.
Twice a year?
They can because you can get a yeast infection elsewhere on your body.
Isn't that what athlete's foot is?
I'm obviously very, like, excited about these things. They're very, I don't know why. So, like, yeah.
Thank you. Thank you.
And you have one, isn't he cute?
Yes. Yes.
And it's like a thing. And like as a kid, like my I didn't have money to like my parents wouldn't like lean into like stuff like this. But what was very like, you know, I was in I went to college in China for a year. And so it got really popular. We're like cell phone trolls.
beads and chains yeah right so like asian culture is very like childish like we like little kitty things so everything's hanging and then people started hanging like stuffed animals off their phone so this is like very not a big deal okay but this is a chinese company called i don't not it's not sponsored or anything i just but if you hear me i love you so you don't work for them i don't work for them i just give them a lot of money are we in a trade war
Well, I'm Chinese, so I get to bypass all of that. In fact, Rob's on the way to China right now. Oh, my God. Yes. Lucy's driving him to the airport. And I have given him very clear instructions. He's like, I'm not going, but Sabrina, who's our friend, she actually came and recorded with us once. Like, she just sat in there. But...
She's meeting him there in Beijing and she's bringing an empty suitcase to fill it up with Labubus.
I will give you one. I will buy River one.
You're going to buy all of them.
No, I'm not rich. I learned to not say I'm rich because she gets all the free stuff. I don't get free stuff, so...
Yeah, what? Wash your sheets, everyone.
So Pop Mart is a store. And the guy, this 36, 7-year-old Chinese guy who created this company, they're like sealed. I mean, adorable. Adorable.
Nick, you've never looked cuter. That is adorable. And so they're sealed like that. You open the box and you don't know what color you get. So it's it's like, yeah, surprise. So that it's a surprise. So he kind of created this thing. And I think what I read is that he might be talking about the riches, but he's multi multi billionaire.
multi-billionaire so they create they have like licenses with like Disney and stuff like that they create it's almost like not the bobble heads the you know the ones with the big head characters funky funk pops the pop head thing yeah funky funk pops yeah yeah yeah you guys remember Garbage Pail Kids Of course. I just heard that yesterday. Garbage. Okay.
So anyway, so this, these ones I'm holding is the, they're called cry babies.
Sounds like an infomercial. I know. And you love toys. And you sure you don't work with these people. And if you call right now.
I feel like that's a check coming Crystal's way. So Labubu became this crazy, crazy, everyone's trying to find them. They're all over the streets. They're all the foofoos now.
So you have to wait in line. And if they refill, they're gone in seconds. If you go on TikTok, you'll see people wait nine hours in line. Yeah, it's crazy. But what happened was when we were in Spain for spring break, Zoe seemed to think that she was going to find one. She was very committed to finding one in Spain. I was like, you're never going to find one. We walked by this store.
We walked by twice over the week. And then all of a sudden, there's a booboo at the window. We started screaming, all of us. We ran in.
Even Rob. He screamed the loudest. Let me tell you, he's like, what? And by the way, we had found this one, the crybabies, which is popular, but not like a lububu. And Zoe goes, Dad, look what I bought today. Because he was at the hotel working. And he goes, oh, cute. She's like, we only spent $65. I was like, what did you spend on that thing?
I was like, you're not supposed to tell them the price. But I felt very excited about it because I knew it was worth double. Right. Because I'm a value person. So I'm obviously very excited. I'm like shaking because I'm super excited. Like Rob's going to bring home a bunch. So anyway, so we see this store. We run in and and the guy in Spain happens to be Chinese. It's like Spanish Chinese.
And as I'm talking Chinese, I'm like, is that real? He goes, it's real. And I was like, oh, my God. And he goes, we have a new shipment. We have we have two new box, like three boxes of six. And they're behind him. By the time we get to that sentence, there is a guy coming around and starts grabbing. There's like Labubu keychains. He starts not even making just pulling them all off, all off.
And then another guy comes behind me, goes, are you taking those? I'm like, yes, we're taking all of them. And then I look at Rob like everyone's here to buy them. He goes, buy them all. Like because suddenly now we're like under pressure. And all of a sudden people just start like surrounding us to buy them. It was crazy. So like now I'm like, oh, man, this is really coveted. I need all of them.
The papers are ready. But don't worry, he knows. He doesn't want the wrath of me. He's very aware. He even said, I'll hand carry them home because the kids don't want the box. I know, you're looking at me like I'm a crazy person. Look how cute.
Look at, he was protecting you. What's his name?
So that one is a Capybara outfit that Max found at that store. But you can go on Etsy and they have, yeah. So what's your question?
Okay, that's the other part of the story. So when we bought all of them.
It is a toy. So yes, you've brought up something that's very important. So when we bought 18 of them, because there were three packs of six, I had said to Rob, okay, here's the, because he's like, this is crazy. It's very expensive. So I said to Rob, this is what I'll do, because you can sell them for like three, four times online.
So I said, I'll sell as many as I need to to recoup the money and the rest we get to keep. He goes, fine. So literally yesterday, he said, how many have you sold? And I haven't even put them on yet. You already knew that answer. Because I can't. What if, okay, there's the surprise one, which is the dark brown one. It's like, which one do we sell?
Well, that's a problem because you don't know what's inside. So if I sell the magic one, which is the dark brown one, that would cover.
So now I'm. What's the magic one? So there's a really special one that's dark brown. And I obviously.
And Max is because it's like rare, super rare to get that. OK. So Max is literally like, what if we sell the brown one? What? Like, we're going to feel so bad. I'm like, well, we won't really know.
Right. But by the way, you know, you could also sell them and video like people will pre buy them and let you unbox it with them on Zoom.
Why do you think I left?
I mean, I think they would try to to get that bag, but I'm not. No, but I would probably gift it to them on the show.
Just to feel really like I'm really like flexing.
Yeah, I'm Chinese Oprah. There you go. So anyways, but I'm not giving any of these away.
So it's not real Gucci. Yeah. So that's the outfit.
It's a labubu. But what's a labubu? Like, what is that? He's his own person. He's not a bear. Okay, well.
It's a mythical creature. Wait, so you're not holding cherries. Got it. But where do I buy his clothes? What is that?
Yeah. They're called cherry crybabies. Twins.
yes of course where do i buy the clothes i mean natalie please mine doesn't have clothes if i want to get clothes we have an outfit we have a panda outfit for him but max didn't like the panda outfit so that's the one zoe's actually this one's you can uh buy a bunch with your the extra 160 000 you want to get out that's right i could start a business as well do you need a partner
So, yes, let's, where's your money? We should talk.
Which one was he?
But does he technically get the money? And you were just trusting that he would split it with you. But did you run out together or did he actually run out?
He was the first one that tried to escape.
She always says that to me, like, oh, you should do that show. I'm like, they're not offering me. They know what offers me shows.
If I keep putting it into the universe, they're going to call. I'm like, wait a minute. Like, you get shows. You get offers. I don't get offered anything. Because you keep saying how you're so booked and busy with the Labubus.
I need money. I need to pay for these things. And I feel like I'm cheaper than you.
Yeah. We talk about it every episode. Every day. Yes, I think I'd be a great Trader. For sure. Because I'd walk around like dolls. People think like the girl's so stupid and like whatever. And then I would just like behind their back just stab them.
I hope you pass my name along. I did. And? Didn't go well.
Yeah. Can I tell you, I would, if I was on your season, I would assume that you were, um, a traitor. That's why I think it'd be better if you were faithful because you would have to constantly prove your, I would just think you were a traitor.
No, no, no. Let's not talk about it.
But that was good. I actually like that for you.
I love that for me.
I didn't either.
Yeah. Well, no, I see what you mean. I think she was a little upset, but I also, it's like, I'm not even going to go there right now, but I will say I didn't really, I just watched the clip. I didn't watch the thing, but man, the comments were very not positive to Canada. They were like enough already enough.
She acted like it was a confessional essentially. Right. And, but like every time I see stuff like that happen, I'm reminded how quickly audience moves on. Like two weeks ago, it was Team Kenya. Two weeks later, it's like, oh, God, enough already. We don't care. We've moved on. And it's sad because it's like her life. And it's like we all go through that. But like audience is very quick.
They are done with her.
So that's why we want to know your opinion.
Yeah.
I think it's always going to have, I was going to say blowback, but that was a weird choice of words. No pun intended. But yes, of course. But again, I think this is going to be one week. And then the next thing's like, that's what's crazy about this show. Especially Atlanta. Like you guys are so heightened and like crazy things happen. But everyone moves on to the next thing. They really do.
But if that happened on Beverly Hills, it would be the entire season.
See, when you got her, like, relax, it's crazy. Cynthia's nuts.
What about that?
What about that? There's called DNA test, right? I mean, I don't know. This is so I can't even what you're saying sounds like a soap opera. It's wild. It doesn't even sound like real people.
But that you guys are able to sort of bypass, like, I also feel that, too. It's like, everyone still, like, stands all the girls on the show. It's like, these things are massive accusations. They're massive life-altering things. Like... I don't even I mean, leather pants to me affected me for many years. Like this.
I was very conscious of wearing leather for like three years. I'm like, I could never handle. Do you still have those pants? Hell yeah. Rob is like, well, not let me wear them because he wants them protected.
Have you heard from Garcelle? I talked to her the day of the announcement. Okay. Yeah. So right away. Right after. I saw it and then I messaged her and then she called me when we were in Morocco. We talked for a little bit and that was it.
No, because I didn't ask her about it. Because I know what it feels like. It's too new. It was just more of like, hope you're great. Thank you. It was time. That was it. And I'm not pushing anybody because it took me months to even mention it.
calm and yeah it just was more like I'm not coming back I'm not coming back yeah you know like yeah so even the run correct like so even so for me it was tough enough to deal with it so with her being kind of public and then obviously from what I saw she felt quite betrayed by Sutton and the girl not necessarily the girls but like centered around Sutton Yes, that's what I mean.
It seemed very much about Sutton. So the last thing I need to do is probe someone about that. I saw it. It's like, you know. But yeah, apparently she still follows Jennifer and Kathy, which makes sense. Yeah, but I wasn't even there this year.
Yes. Or?
I think her in the moment, because, you know, and you could speak to this. You've done so many. I'm good. But I'm saying about reunions. Okay, go ahead. There is, you can't even describe walking into a reunion. The stress, the pressure, the fear, the anxiety that you have is so heightened.
Like it's really, really stressful because it is like, it's just standing in front of a firing squad the whole time. And so when you go in there, You know the packages, right? It's like you're a little package and then everyone comes for you. You need someone to help you. And if you're on your own, you got to be really strong to be on your own. I mean, I'm not. And I always felt alone.
But that's why I kind of shut down a lot until I felt really strongly about something. But like, I mean, Garcelle has rode for Sutton. for so long in almost... Like, I just want to be careful of my words. I just... Sometimes it wasn't warranted.
Right. And there's a lot of people that do that, and I think that's great for that kind of friendship. And there's people who are, like, going to call someone out. And she really... And I think... Not only that Sutton, again, I haven't, to be honest, I didn't watch it. I just seen clips, but the clips are enough.
No, I'm saying I didn't see the whole context of the episodes, but from what I saw, it seemed like she was on her own and Sutton didn't defend her. On top of that, not defending her to the women that she felt like were against the two of them together. And then all of a sudden, so in her mind, I imagine it's like, oh wait, are you now, not only did you not defend me for me, but like,
Are you now part of them? And so you can't move forward like that. I get that. I would not go back if I really felt like I was on an island like that.
Yeah, I saw this mild comment. It's hard for me to think that that was the only thing that happened. I think that was like used to like explain everything.
But I think what she really was feeling was like, I walked in and I could, like you were saying, you know, you say you go into an event. She's like, leave.
I'm referencing what you're saying. It's like when you go to an event and no one's looking in the eye.
Mm hmm.
And you're like, wait a minute. When you're not really... You didn't expect to be the one being shot at. You're like, wait, what's happening?
You're the target. And I think that she, based on them using that, is showing that she wasn't expecting to be the target. So she was really surprised and was...
I see both sides for sure. I see that she's someone that that's I think we talked about this one time was here. It was I said, that's how she feels about this specific situation. And all the audience wants is someone to be super honest about how they feel with that is going to get backlash. That's normal because a lot of people are saying that's too far.
I think had she been instead of just saying that's how I feel, had she given sort of primary examples like dates and why she feels that way. You don't just feel that way about someone. I don't think that you did something fraudulent because I have a sense like, you know, and so like when it came to like the Erica stuff. We had talked about different articles coming out, different lawsuits.
And so no one really pushed back on us when we did that. It was like, this is our opinion based on this specific information. We're not bringing it up out of thin air. And we talked about those things. I think this situation was like it was thrown out, but it wasn't actually...
dissected enough as to why not to say that it that's you know it's real or anything like that but i'm just saying like had she said those things well i saw you know these things were you know financial financial issues were cleared up and da da da i think maybe it would have resulted in i don't know it just i don't know that's what i feel well the thing about the reunion i'll just say this like if you're gonna put out any strong statements or feelings or thoughts or whatever
She wanted some to say, I feel this way, too.
Because they talk a lot. And I had said this. We did Carlos King's pod. And that was a question. His whole thing is, oh, there's an alliance. I'm like, there's always an alliance. But they would say, oh, this time we're going to Greece together. We're not filming. They're going on vacation. They're friends. So whatever they're talking about.
And at the core of your friendship with the show tends to be about the show. Like you're going to talk about it's just just takes over your life. It's just natural. And you're always on top of everybody and whatever and gossip. And so I think ourselves expecting something to back her up. She did not prepare herself enough with the with the information.
She just wanted someone else to be there for her. And she wasn't. So I think in that situation, she was like, oh, wait, you're going to throw me into the bus. Then I'm out. Yeah. Why do you think Sutton didn't back her up? Because she wants to be really close with Kyle. And I've said this out loud to Sutton, to everybody, like you really want Kyle's approval.
She's like, no, we're friends. Like, no, I like, you know, I'm like, and I know you're friends, but, you know, you have to.
No, I've never really. I mean, the other girls do that. Like, I remember like Erica and Rinna, that was really the thing against that. And that wasn't my thing because I didn't experience it with that in that with her. But I think she just really wants because I think she felt secure in her friendship with herself. You know, it's like you're like, this is good. This seed is watered enough.
I need to work on this. But then you killed the seat.
Is that your telltale sign?
White men who wear tracksuits are really catching straights. Rob, take off the tracksuit on the right.
He's not. But in case he is.
Right now? No. Like, today particularly, no. I started watching that documentary, which I want to talk about on Humblebrag. Which one? It's like, not The Dark Side of Brielle. It's the one that just came out. And I just started the Housewives portion. Demon, Hollywood Demons.
On Max. On Max, I believe. Yes. They have a whole episode on Housewives. So it's, and I think it's going to focus on, she was in Beverly Hills, went to Orange County. Taylor. Taylor.
I mean, the way they I mean, of course, it's like very salacious and the way they open, you know, the dark documentary about the show. And it was like, oh, you know, it's like they flash like, you know, like mugshots. And, you know, it's like I was like, whoa, like this is not me. That's I just felt today. You know, just today, like, and I really am grateful for the experience, honestly.
And there's parts of it that I miss. But this morning was like, whoa, like that's I'm in a really good place.
so lucky to like be a part of envy and be a part of humble brag and be with Cynthia and talk about it and while it's not that it's like I I definitely have moments of missing and I definitely have moments of of all that nostalgia I just wish I enjoyed it more um and that's on me I wish I didn't take it so seriously I wish I knew the game better I wish I exploited it better for my own gain
It really took a toll on me emotionally. I just was like, why? Looking back now, I watch it. Like, again, the Kendi thing was so big. And now two weeks later, no one cares. I'm like, I took everything home for so long. And I just wish I didn't. And I had everyone around me, from Rob to my friends, like, get over it. It doesn't matter. You're last week's news. No one cares. I'm like...
but everyone cares, you know? And I just, yeah.
A hundred percent. I just think like Kenya's situation, yes, is is so extreme versus anything I dealt with. And that's the thing where I wish I had a little more perspective and I wish I listened to people more of like myself is so mild. all of it. And, but it felt like my whole world was crumbling for nothing, you know?
But I'm a sensitive person and like, you know, the show compared to my, my life was, was only toxic thing in my life, you know? So it's the only focus I had. It wasn't like other things are happening in this, like, you know, it was, I had like a, I've really, you know, nice,
cushy situation and then this is happening it was just felt so intense so I would I would love to go not now but I'm saying I would I wish I could reverse time and and and have enjoyed it more what do you think the future for Bev Hills is in terms of like the friendship dynamics a lot of people are speculating about the the Fox 5 or Fox 4 Lisa Renna back yeah I can see Lisa Renna back I mean look
Elisa's drive story, she is like the ultimate villain and she likes to be the villain. I don't think she likes it internally. I don't think anybody really likes it.
She embraces it.
Yeah, and she's really good at it. I don't know. You never know with casting. It's such a, it's really an art form that I'm not a part of. But I do feel like where it's right now, there needs to be some change.
I don't know. I don't even think about that until that happens. Like, that's not even in my. We would consider.
I wonder if they still love me. Let me send them a birthday. Yeah, because he and his new girlfriend are showing up at all these parties.
So you're always like, oh, thinking about that toxic ex. That's exactly.
Yeah, they previewed her. Yeah, I just looked at her this morning.
It's the funniest. So we, you know, I've become like a Jeff Lewis regular because of Cynthia and we went to ChumpCon, which is his... like kind of fan event in Vegas. What's it called? ChumpCon. ChumpCon. ChumpCon.
So let me just explain why, because people are like, what?
What does that mean? I guess one of the husbands, you might know, of Orange County's husband got mad at him And said, oh, you, you know, you're such a chump, you and all your chumps, the way you talk. And then he adopted it. And now everyone who listens, who goes on the show, they're all called chumps. So we brought RZA from Shaws of Sunset and Joey Zauzek, who's like a influencer.
And the four of us had the best time together. So we talk about it and all the crazy Vegas stories. It's crazy. I mean, you can't even believe what single men do in Vegas. They're gross.
If it's even close, someone's taking that money. No. I think it was the right call. You get what you can get.
No, he is the president of 31 Flavors, who's one of the production companies.
I thought you already got it.
Yeah.
I really did go by fast. That's crazy. I didn't even think about it until you just said it, that it's already been a year.
We've been waiting. Wait till you're going to post it.
So you'll see it Sunday. How long is it?
Six or seven minutes, yeah. You said full-length. Full-length.
Have you guys watched it? Also, it's the whole weekend. It's not just the wedding. It's the wedding weekend video. Yeah, it's the Friday night and Saturday night.
Now, I've learned over time that if I want to practice vulnerability, then I need to build myself a system of accountability. So I've been really blessed as an actor. I've built a really wonderful fan base, really, really sweet and engaged. And so I decided to use my social platform as kind of this Trojan horse, wherein I could create a daily practice of authenticity and vulnerability.
Are you brave enough to be vulnerable, to reach out to another man when you need help, to dive headfirst into your shame? Are you strong enough to be sensitive?
to cry whether you are hurting or you're happy, even if it makes you look weak?
Are you confident enough to listen to the women in your life, to hear their ideas and their solutions, to hold their anguish and actually believe them, even if what they're saying is against you? Oh, my God. And will you be man enough to stand up to other men when you hear locker room talk?
When you hear stories of sexual harassment, when you hear your boys talking about grabbing ass or getting her drunk, will you actually stand up and do something so that one day we don't have to live in a world where a woman has to risk everything and come forward to say the words, me too?
Did we even know that he was this religious? Because I wasn't aware. I mean... This photo is also like, it almost looks like a screenshot. It didn't come from the archives?
First, Matt posts a video of him eating pizza. And Rachel is in this video of him eating pizza. And it appears to be from their trip to London.
Wait, listen. How are you doing? Grateful to be with the family. Grateful.
All right. I know it's a tough time for you. How do you get through this?
What's also crazy about that is like LAX is huge. It's massive. And the amount of celebrities that we've seen there, I've never once seen a paparazzi. We're still using TMZ?
Serious stuff.
I've had to take a real honest look at the ways that I've unconsciously been hurting the women in my life. What a Freudian slip. And it's ugly. My wife told me that I had been acting in a certain way that hurt her and not correcting it.
Basically, sometimes when she would go to speak at home or in public, I would just cut her off mid-sentence and finish her thought for her. It's awful. The worst part was that I was completely unaware when I was doing it.
It was unconscious.
So I actually don't think that that's what happened.
His back hurts. And his chiropractor said he has to make sure of the weight.
So he posts that video four days ago. And then also four days ago, he posts their breakup on the same day on the same day. And then Rachel's sister kind of gives us a little bit of clarity into what's happening. She left a comment saying they were still together when he was posting all that just to give some perspective on the timeline of things.
So if I'm reading that correctly and understanding what her sister is saying, they were still. And this is just from my understanding of this comment left by Rachel's sister. They were still together when Matt posted the pizza video. And then they broke up between that post and the breakup post.
How many hours was in between? Hours.
I've been seeing the number three around.
The comment that her sister left was that they were still together when he was posting all of that. And I believe there were three hours in between the two posts. Yeah.
gotcha okay i can't see anymore how many hours were between because it just says four days ago but we assume because matt made the post that he was the one who ended the relationship but we don't know if that's accurate so rachel hasn't said anything she has liked a few comments one of which was the more i'm thinking about it the more i think he completely blindsided her with this and the breakup or the post
And then it said, give her some grace and let her respond in her own time. And Rachel liked that comment. So it's either that Matt blindsided her with something that led Rachel to break up with him, or he blindsided her with the breakup. It could be anything.
An update on Leighton. I guess her song is in the pop charts again. And big supporter Flavor Flav posted to Hypebub. Let's go.
Just so you know, there's a group of people that talk about you. We all feel the same way, but I can't out them because I'm loyal.
You were so mad. I was so angry.
We were angry for you. Yeah.
Yeah, I did not see it coming. I bet you didn't. I bet you didn't. I was like, what are you guys talking about right now? It made zero sense.
I had a little bit of heads up.
Dylan came to me like 10 minutes before we went to the round table and was like, yo, I'm hearing your name. And I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, I don't understand it either. Like, it doesn't make any sense. And he's like, you should go do some politicking around the house. And I'm like, Yeah, sure. Who's saying it? You know, like, what do I got to do?
And I like walk away from Dylan and then it's like producers like, stop talking. We're going into the round table.
Which it makes sense. Like I would want all of my like politicking to happen at the round table. Like I get it from their standpoint, but I was like, what? And especially when I watch the show back, like I was watching, I guess last night, like Nikki finds out that she's like, her name's being called. So she has time, like we'll walk around and be like, what are you guys talking about?
I wasn't given that opportunity, which is, it's tough though.
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, like, so what happened to me was I'm stupid. That's why. Like, I'm an idiot. Like, you know, hindsight 2020. Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can go through the whole thing. But my downfall was saying I thought what the traitors did was stupid. Yeah. Which I stand by what I said.
That's not really the point. No, it's not. And as I watch it, I'm like, these are dumb moves. Like, I will die on this hill. Yeah. I did die on the hill, actually. You did, yeah.
Well, here's the thing. The thing that I said was not considered controversial by anyone except for two people.
Yep.
first of all, I wasn't the only one who said that everyone said what I said, because what happened was the night before everyone, I would say like 90% of the cast was like, Dorin's a traitor. Right. And we're like, yeah, a hundred percent. And so we were like, all right, so we're going to banish her tomorrow. Right. And that's how we went to bed thinking. Right. And then we wake up and she's gone.
She'd been murdered. And we're like, everyone was like, But we were going to do that. Like, why would you kill someone that we were already going to banish? Get someone get a threat out. So everyone said it. And then like where I went wrong was I was sitting in the billiards room and Robin and Sam walk in and we're all talking about it.
And everyone is also saying like, yeah, what are we going to do now? Like, that was so dumb. And so she's like, what do you guys think? And I say the thing that I say. And she got really defensive. And, like, right then I was like, oh, no. Like, I thought what I was saying was a universal truth.
Yeah. But then, you know, like, looking back, it makes sense. Like, she's a housewife. I think she was kind of defending a housewife in some way. Looking back, I shouldn't have said what I said. But I wasn't the only one saying it.
row row and i'm like wells row row the boat like if i'm one of the people in the boat i'm pissed at you for just yelling at me for two hours while not rowing the boat yeah that's because i guess you've never been on a dragon boat probably before so someone has to explain it to me so someone has to steer like so i was i was like in i was in charge of the rudder is that a physically demanding job
Well, if no one's doing that, then there's no, the boat doesn't go in the direction you want it to.
Well, so this is, this is how it was explained to us. It was, we need someone to steer the boat and then we need someone to like yell out row. Okay.
And I knew, I knew I was in trouble at that exact moment because like my plan going into the show was don't say anything. Basically what Dylan actually Dylan's become very boisterous.
But in the beginning, he was just like, I'm staying under the radar. And I was like, I'm going to do that, too. And we were kind of like an ally alliance in the beginning. And the second we get down to the dock, they're like, all right. Even production is like, this is what you have to do. You have someone needs to be the one yelling out. Someone needs to be steering.
And then also, I think it was like a seat thing. Like there wasn't enough seats for like Sierra to go sit in row, I guess. Maybe that could have changed when she got out. But anyways, that's how it was explained. And immediately, everyone was like, Wells, you're the loudest. You're the most opinionated. You're the leader. You get up there and you steer. And I was like, oh, damn it.
Like, I'm five minutes into doing this show and I've already fucked up my plan of, like, going under the radar.
Yeah. I was like, oh, no. So... Okay, that explains that. Yeah, so I... And also, like, they did cut this, but... there was a little bit of like toxic masculinity thing going on of like the weak women need to get off the boat and the strong men need to stay in row. And there was a little bit of like, that's gross. And also like Nikki can like bench press me. She's much stronger than I am.
So I was like, this is dumb. So there was a point where as much as I wanted a shield, uh, I felt bad. And I was like, Hey guys, if I'm not doing a good job of steering the boat, then, uh, I will get off. Like I feel bad for all, for all the women that are like kind of getting thrown to the wolves and everyone was like, shut up. We need you to steer. You're doing a great job.
Just don't worry about it. We got it figured out down here. And I'm like, Oh, they threw it into the bus there.
Well, I know we were really, like, she was my favorite. She might be my favorite person. No offense, Nick. She might be my favorite person I've ever met on a reality TV show. I've never had the illusion that I was your favorite person. Well, you're in the top ten. Ten!
uh but she was so like in a world full of just like vapid just you know egocentric people she was like the most lovely person i've ever met in 2017 she dm'd me and told me i was full of oh i saw the video and that makes me love her even more that is the best and then i saw that she like likes something like later or whatever yeah and
No, she was such like this amazing, like light of like beauty, like inside and out too. She had no idea what game she was playing. My favorite thing was, is that we were riding like to the castle or whatever. You're in cars a lot when you're not filming, you know? And so a producer is reading her the rules so that she can sign the rule, right? This needs to be done before we start filming.
So if I'm Ayan, you're me, and then you're the producer. Producer's reading, and she's just looking at me being like, okay, so tell me about your wife. Look at that on your wife.
Modern family. I love modern family. Like...
and so the producer's like ian you need to focus you need to focus and she's like i can do two things at once she cannot do two things at once she the whole time she was like wells what is happening what is happening and i'm like explaining her the rules and her whole thing was she was like my son thinks i'm going to be the first one killed and so she was so pumped that she wasn't the first one killed which was like so cute but then she was like the third one i'm like no
Again, I think that that was. So I think that what Bob, the drag queen, his whole thing was he wanted chaos, which I do think that that's like a fun and like a good strategy. But chaos also doesn't breed accusing people of murdering people, right?
Yeah, it's very true. In a way. With the chaos of Dorinda being killed, it made no sense because we think we all thought we were going to banish her the next day. So then it became this mad dash of who do we all kind of glob onto, which was unfortunately yours truly. But the I in one made no sense to me because... You can't pin it on somebody like this is why I would be killed, you know.
And then also there are a lot of really, really strong players in the game. And no offense to I am like she's not like a strategical genius, you know, like I would have taken out, you know, like like a Wes long before. Now, I don't think actually he could have been up for.
And, uh, yeah, I think that, um, like,
i don't know i know him but i don't know what's in his mind but i i think that he was getting frustrated with bob was not only kind of like running the round table he's also running the turret and and i think that he thought that the decisions that uh bob the dragon was making was bad and i think that caroline kind of agreed with him in that respect and i think for rob's game um he was like
I need to get rid of this guy because I want to have control over the turret. And I think that like strategically, I'm a better game player than he is. And I would agree with that. I just think that he showed his hand a little too early because Dylan was already wanting to go down that route. And then he like really like globbed on.
How do you think Boston Rob gets out of the target he's put on himself? I don't know how he gets out of it, but I don't know if enough people like they're all sitting in the bar and they're and Wes makes the genius point of like, how do you 100 percent know, you know, and so that everyone's like it takes everyone a while.
And the person who figures it out, like answers the question is Tom Sandoval, which I love. And he's like, because he's a traitor.
Well, that's the thing. Tom accused everyone of being a traitor, which was wonderful. And that was one of the things that frustrated me the most about the round table of which I was banished was that Tom went on like a, you know, a 20 minute diatribe about Chris Shell. And like, you know, he's like, I could tell from the way that she took off her thing. And I remember being like, dude, shh.
Shut up, man. They're going to kill me. No one cares about Chris Shell. No one thinks this is. I was like, dude, stop talking. Let me defend myself or defend me, I guess. But yeah, he was throwing a lot of spaghetti at the wall.
But that's what I thought about Ayan, too.
She didn't, okay. No. I was friends with the girls. I was with the Bambis. Because I was... Well, Gabby's in the group.
yeah yeah because from on the way back from the dragon boat race we were all in the same car the bambis the band yeah what a name to give yourself i know chef's kiss uh so six-pack bros yeah they were like because because i had said like if you guys want me to get out i will i don't want to but like i'll get out just to make it fair that like also like i'm not doing anything and i remember galley being like
you're an ally.
Cause I was very much like, I do not want to do this, please. But, and.
I think it's two things. Well, I think it's a bunch of things. But I think that me saying to Robin and Sam, I thought it was a dumb move to kill Dorinda and then her getting defensive and then me feeling very weirded out by that. I was like, because in my mind, I'm like, okay, you're getting really defensive of me saying it was a dumb move.
Surely you're not a traitor and dumb enough to show that me saying a traitor's move is stupid would affect you like that.
Yeah, I did. That's a good argument.
Okay. A, maybe an hour and a half.
Yeah, it's really long.
Yeah. Yeah, they cut out a lot. It's like five minutes. I know. I fought a lot of people. I fought Tony a good bit. My thing was that he had come and said something to the effect of, right after the touching of the shoulders, who does everyone think is a traitor? And I was like, well, I want to go backwards.
I want to go and exact people who I do not think are traitors and then hone it down and then figure it out from there. Because I was like, Ayan, definitely not a traitor. Tom Sandoval, definitely not a traitor. worst casting decision in the world to make the biggest villain in America. Did you say that? Yeah, of course. I was like, not a traitor, you know, like me, not a traitor. Dylan Efron.
No, you know, like I was like doing that. And he was like, that's a real traitorous way of thinking. And I was like, Tony, you're a cop. Isn't the number one thing to X out like who has alibis in a murder case? Like, what are you talking about?
Yeah. So the first question was, how long does it go?
OK, so the truth of the matter is, is that the next mission that we had was the three guys in the bird cages and we were all running around trying to get coins to bring them down. I thought that I had a target on my back from the traders because I said that their move was stupid.
And so I really wanted to get a shield, but then I had like a whole plan and we can go into the plan in a second, but everyone was getting down Boston Rob and then people were getting down Derek and no one was getting down Wes. And I was like, I'm a huge fan of the challenge.
And I also like, just know if you kind of like attach your wagon to either Wes or CT or Johnny bananas in the challenge, you kind of get, You can kind of ride that to the end. So I was like, Wes, you're my boy. I'm getting you down. And what they didn't really show was I would say like 90% of the coins that were got for Wes was from me.
And so it was Dylan and I who were just like doing wind sprints up and down this thing. People kind of like quit on it and were like not trying to get coins as much once we got two guys down.
Yeah, the knots one was annoying. But the one that was the hardest, you had to kind of sprint up a hill and then like throw. They didn't show all of them, but you had to throw rocks at these bags, then knock them down and then run back down. And so no one wanted to do that because you had to run up this hill. So it ended up being Dylan and I were the only ones running up and down the hill.
Anyway, so I get him down and I'm like keeled over like crazy. cannot catch my breath at the end of it. We had to like stop and wait for me to catch my breath before we like continued filming. So my, one of my arguments was like, I think I'm going to be killed by a traitor. I worked so hard to get Wes down. Why would I be running like this if I didn't care?
And then they didn't show this part, but Wes chimes in and he's like, it's true. Wells got me down. Like he was running really, really hard. I think if he was a traitor, he probably wouldn't have been like going that balls to the wall. So that was one of my arguments. I don't know.
Because it was supposed to be Dorinda.
Because what happened with Dorinda was she was the first one off the boat. Right. And so the implication is, is that if you get off the boat on the pontoon, you don't care about immunity because you're a traitor. Right. Like you don't have to worry about sleeping tonight. I don't know if they thought about that. We were really early in the game, but she was the first one off.
And then like the way that they did the show, which was brilliant, you know, make them stay out there. They make them cold. They make all of us go back, get in our nice clothes, feed us really well. Then they bring them. We all thought they were going to go home, you know, be done with the day of filming. And then they come in and so they're so angry, which I totally get.
And I remember Dorinda was like, you couldn't wait to eat the food. Yeah. We're like, I remember straight up. I was like, dude, just tell crafty to get more. What are we talking about here? Like they told us to eat. We don't, we just, we're just doing what we're told. I remember yelling out to production. I was like, can we get her a hot plate? Like, what are we doing?
Cause it was like cold by that time, but it was, you know, good, good producing. But so then she goes in and she starts going crazy like at at Ivor because Ivor was the one was like the weak women need to get off the boat. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. The old lord. And so we all were like, whoa, this is a lot. I remember being like, so is this what Housewives is?
Because I've never gone on that show because she was just going nuts. And afterwards we were like, seemed like a little much, right? Like a little over the top. And everyone's like, yeah, she was the first one out of the boat. She went like nuts on us for like, you know, what are we going to do? We got back here. They told us to put the clothes on. They told us to eat the food.
And so everyone's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's definitely a traitor. So then by the time that the round table happened, I think no one had anything.
any concrete evidence and what ended up happening was that robin because i said i think it was a dumb thing and then she got defensive of it and then i was like like i walked out of the room she was like that's you're acting weird i think bob grabbed onto that and was like this would be a good opportunity to get wells out and i i don't know if this is true it'll be fun to go do like the after show and like figure out what their thoughts were because the person that knocks me out
that's the deciding vote is carolyn who is a traitor so i wonder if they were like if we have an opportunity to knock wells out let's do that over robin who that's my campaign was against her effectively i mean that makes sense i mean like even like this episode i thought like bob wasted his own vote it ended up not mattering but early on bob voted against
Yeah, I made a mistake because they- Who did you vote for? I voted for Robin, but the mistake that I made was they said, you said that it was a dumb move. Who got upset? And I was like, Robin, because she's the one who says it out loud, like at the round table. And they're like, who else? And I was like, Sam, because that was the truth.
I should never have said Sam, because the second I said Sam, Sam was like, well, I'm voting for Wells now. And so that was the, I think the thing that's, that's screwed me over.
it's also an easy way to, um, to argue it. Cause when you, when you make your vote, they don't always show it, but when you make your vote and you have to show it, you have to kind of say why. And so it's, it's a really, really, it's a, such a easy way out of being like, dude, you said my name. I don't like that. That's it's on you.
Instead of like, I think it's Sierra because she was cussing in the coffin or whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, it's a, I've made a lot of bad decisions.
Yeah. I don't know about that. He was sweating a lot.
I think he just runs hot, dude. I think that like he just.
He just doesn't stop. Like he's always talking. He's always.
Yeah. He like, it's kind of impressive. Oh, the other thing that I think, so, uh, I talked about this somewhere else, but what, uh, Robin says, uh, what is something to the effect of like, after Alan went around and touched everyone, I noticed that you were, uh, different. And I was like, I don't think I was different, but we had only ever been around each other on camera before.
during that time and then after that then there becomes a lot of like the hurry up and wait of making a television show which is like you're filming film and then you're not shut up right and you know i am someone who like when i'm filming a television show if like the cameras aren't on i'm not doing anything like i'm hanging out i'm trying to like keep my energy level at like a baseline
Uh, one, because I don't want to waste like good jokes or like funny sound bites when nothing's happening. And two, like they are really, really long days. And it's funny because like, you know, she's a housewife. And that's one thing I noticed with the housewives. I was like, oh my God, you guys never stop. This is all that you got. This is, this is who you are.
which is amazing that's why those tv shows are so great but i was like i wouldn't have the bandwidth to be able to do this all day long and so my theory i haven't talked to her to robin but my theory is is that she saw i was much different when the cameras were on than when the cameras were off and she was like that's traitor traitor mentality or whatever will you campaign to try to go back either next season no you're done no desire to go back on the show why
I just, I don't, I'm not good at competition shows. I got eighth on The Bachelorette. I got 22nd on this one.
That's true. No, I don't know.
Yeah.
I did win Worst Cooks. But also, is that a win?
Or I beat Johnny Boneta. How is the food there? Terrible. That's my big concern. Well, you should do the show.
It would be fun to try. It'd be interesting to see how you do because you are super cerebral.
No, it's funny, though, because I thought for sure it was going to be Johnny Bananas, who was the person that they like D-robe in the first episode. And like, I love Johnny. I've known him now for years. And if it was him, I would have been like, I'll get you. You can come in the game. I'll kill somebody here. I love Johnny Bananas. But then when it was Rob, I was like.
Everyone was like, Oh, and I turned to Dylan. I'm like, Oh, who is that? He's like, that's from there from survivor. And I was like, Oh yeah, I don't watch that show. But yeah, if it would have been Johnny, I would have gotten him in the game.
Yeah, but then it puts a target on your back because you kill somebody right then and there.
Which I think that if they had done it, it would have been moot because that person would have come back in that birdhouse the next day, you know? And then they would have been angry at whoever did it. Yeah, yeah. I can see how it was all planned out great.
Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I had this whole plan. I had this, I was going to set this trap all like a pilot Pete. So after the second mission, I go talk to Wes and I'm like, I got your ass down. And he's like, you're getting my shield. And I was like, hell yeah. And then I pull, this is like this. I should have been politicking for myself before the round table, right for the round table.
I pull it aside and I was like, I'm getting the shield, but I want you to say you got the shield and I'll back that up. And I think I can get West to say that as well. So that means that you'll be safe tonight from banishment because they think that you have a shield. And that means that I'll be safe from banishment because I actually have the shield and,
And then if no one gets murdered tonight, then we'll know that they were trying to kill me. And then we got to figure out who would want me out. And then at the time, I thought it was Robin. And I was like, yeah, she'd want me out of there because I went so hard at her earlier that day. So that was my plan. But I never got there.
She says it's like, what? Really?
Dylan Dylan it's so funny because I actually called Bob the drag queen and I was like really it's a little too on the nose because it's hard to say it's obvious as a viewer yeah no but yeah like I remember thinking it was a little bit on the nose of like the biggest loudest person in the house is going to be a traitor But Ayan was very much like, I think he's a traitor. I don't trust him.
And it was funny, too, because he says something that really hurt my feelings. He said that I've been really standoffish to him. And that wasn't true at all.
Well, and the reason why it was he was the person I tried the hardest with for these reasons. He does a podcast with Monet Exchange of whom went to high school with my wife. He's on RuPaul's Drag Race, of which my wife was a judge. And then Sarah was taking over on Little Shop of Horrors from Jinx Monsoon, who was on RuPaul's Drag Race, of whom I had just hung out with.
multiple nights in new york and was like this is the coolest person i've ever met so i was i was at every opportunity i went up to bob being like okay i got we can connect i got another thing to talk to you about like i know i'm a cis white like straight male but like i have i know we have the same friend like i know and when he said that i was like he's just projecting on you well when he said that i was like i know that's not true yeah did you call him out
Yeah, so they cut that out too. But I was like, what are you talking... I said those exact things. I was like, X, Y, Z. I have tried to talk to you and you've shut me down. And at the time I was like, I will concede I'm not everyone's cup of tea. That's fine. But to say that I haven't been trying with you, that's not true. And then I remember right after I get banished, I'm pissed off.
But I'm like...
robin's a traitor and i was like and bob's a liar so he he made that up and ipso facso he's a traitor and i think that dylan saw that because all the things that i said about that you know everyone heard dylan was like you let it well said that you were lying about that and then there are people who are like yeah i was in the car when you were talking when he was talking to you about this so anyways i wish i had like used my intuition more
What?
Yeah, I don't. Nothing's possible on that show, though. It is crazy. Yeah. You know, it's weird because you get to call your family during. Yeah, but someone's like in the room to like make sure that you don't say anything. Sarah's like trying to do like sign language.
Like your FaceTiming?
That's funny. That's funny.
Nothing. Sarah's... I'll promote my wife. She's going to be Daisy Buchanan on Broadway in The Great Gatsby. It is... I saw the show beforehand when she was doing Little Shop. It hasn't started yet? Her run starts February 10th, and she goes through the summer.
No, she's off on Mondays.
It is?
Who knows her better, her best friend or her husband?
Well, what is today? Yeah, so she's off today. Okay, whatever. It's February 10th. Hold on, let me look at my calendar. Maybe it's 11th.
This is the worst promo. If she's off on Mondays, then it's the 11th.
Yeah, early Feb, for sure. Early Feb. Yeah, you're right. I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe Tuesday. It doesn't really matter.
No, because you've got to be off the same day as in rehearsals because they have to have the actors come and do it with them and they wouldn't make them have to work on their day off.
Make it out with a different guy on stage every night. That damn Jay Gatsby. What do I do? I don't do anything. Oh, your wife. I thought you were like, you were making out.
no he's making out with a different guy every day i'm making out with a weird way to pass the time but okay yeah i'm hanging with boo i uh we've got there's a bunch of things that i have coming up that i can't talk about but um are really exciting and i'm supposed to go to orlando to go hang out with uh benjamin higgins and uh joey graziani
Italian last name.
Golfing. Yeah, we're doing this LPGA event. So I've got that coming up and that's about it. It's good to see you, man. You too. I miss you guys.
We're here every week. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. Yeah. I see her all the time. So this is not that exciting. It's okay.
Thanks for having me. I'm sorry I didn't do better. I'm like embarrassed. We're okay with it. Okay, good.
I was so angry.
Well, because everyone's like, we're going to be the first season to get a traitor out first. That's what everyone said. And I'm like, yeah, that's a good idea. Let's do that. And then they get me and I'm like, what?
Oh my gosh. I should have, to your point earlier, I should have said to Alan, I want to be a traitor because then at least you're like control of your own destiny.
Yeah.
But I didn't do that because I didn't care.
Yeah.
I was like indifferent. I was like, I'd be a good traitor, but I think I'd be a better faithful. I'm good at reading people. So I don't know.
hindsight's 2020 i did i every move that was bad i made calamity of errors it's only a game my memoir which is something that fans sometimes seem to forget about with this with this show yeah they get real tense yeah because it's weird because it's questioning people's like integrity which is something that people take very very seriously true you know
No, I know. The whole thing is like being there for the wrong reasons, right? If you're a traitor. And so that's a hard thing. That was the thing that annoyed me the most. I didn't care about the money. I didn't care about getting kicked off. The embarrassment of being out early hurt my feelings was someone said something about me that I didn't think was true.
Yeah.
But anyways, priorities. You're still number one in our hearts. Thanks. 33 in the field, number one in our hearts. All right.
See you guys. Bye. Bye, lads.
Okay.
Mary going, I agree.
willingness to stand up to lisa i did love lisa's line of your gut is off it's leaking take a probiotic it's a mess you will never be as ethical as me lisa has some great she does have bars she does that's why they call her lisa bar low do you think she practices them No, I think they're off the cuff. That's her. Yeah, I think she's just that talented. Lisa and Angie both do have bars.
Yeah. They didn't last?
Yeah. So he posted this and the caption was, Father God, give Rachel and I strength to mend our broken hearts. Give us a peace about this decision to end our relationship that transcends worldly understanding. Shower our friends and family with kindness and love to comfort us and remind us that our joy comes from you, Lord. And then he put a broken heart emoji.
See, that I believe. I've been pretending to be strong when I felt weak, confident when I felt insecure, and tough when really I was hurting. I think for the most part, I've just been kind of putting on a show. I also believe that. Because I don't just want to be a good man. I want to be a good human.
And I believe the only way that can happen is if men learn to not only embrace the qualities that we were told are feminine in ourselves, but to be willing to stand up, to champion and learn from the women who embody them.
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She's trying to save a life.
She's in the middle of work right now. She's a hero.
Just a... Shocking. Yeah. Yeah. She's producing.
Rude.
I guess.
I need them to release a statement. I saw the video of her being on the gurney out, and she's clearly actively speaking, so she's not in any type of harm.
Yeah.
Where's the elderly lady?
I don't know. Florida has a really hard time with divas.
It was just Sonia. Sonia made the call and somehow ended up on the gurney going into the ambulance.
That's Sonia on the gurney.
Is she crying?
For medical assistance for someone else. She said, oh, she's fine. Actually, let me take a little ride.
somewhere it said that she like sustained minor injuries and that the they wanted to check her out but i'm just like i feel like that's like that's a hefty bill so yeah just to get checked out i will say well wishing her the best thoughts and prayers thoughts and prayers getting into some secret lives of mormon wives the women are continuing to beef online jesse called out demi
On Instagram and after they disrespected her. And what I'm guessing was our interview because we did have Brett and Demide together. And Jesse says a 47 year old washed up loser who can't hold a job and asked my husband and I for 10 grand just a few months ago so he could pay his bills is like.
Yeah. I'm always pro somebody who's fully committed to the bit. So I know there's a lot to say going around, but in this single case scenario, I think the idea is definitely something worth pitching.
I don't know. I know he was on Claire Crawley's season of The Bachelor.
That's not a job occupation.
He didn't get paid for that. I think he's trying to be on reality TV.
Oh, we didn't know that.
He's a managing partner at Armstrong Consulting Group, as per his official LinkedIn page.
He's freelance, maybe.
I don't imagine Demi with a scrub, you know?
Yeah. Jesse is, like, not afraid to call him out and say... I mean, him... If that's true, which that's a strange thing to lie about because I feel like maybe there would be receipts of that. Maybe not. But I don't know. But, like, to be like, hey, he needs money from us. And then, like, now...
I mean, what I learned in this season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is that Jesse's a millionaire and she's sitting on a hair empire. Like they use the M word. They did. Yeah. The M word millionaire.
I mean, millionaire mogul. We could we could throw that in there. For sure. Well, they do have a new intro to the show. It is very iconic. I saw Taylor Frankie Paul's little BTS she posted. Iconic. So good. Jessie and Layla don't get their hair wet, which I feel like if I'm production, I'm fighting them on that. I'm saying, listen, I see the vision at the end. You want to get your hair wet.
Don't be the only two that don't. Jessie sent the video. Jessie sent the video.
I don't know if I approve of all the levels of pre-production that went into that bit that she committed to, but...
So we've asked Jesse to respond to this question on why she did not get her hair wet in the intro. And she has sent us a response.
Yeah.
little bts but maybe it just didn't look as good as they were wanting and that's why they kept us both dry i'm not sure i'm gonna have to ask and find out because i was curious about that too okay well it's funny that it's funny that she says that because i thought about that on the poster i was like we all of their hair is wet so i wonder if they were like no girls it's fine we'll go in and post and give you wet hair and i was like but how did they do that they lubed
Me too, because I also was like, these bitches just didn't want to get their extensions wet because I've had extensions once or twice in my life before. And I know how much of a bitch it is to like, once you get them wet and like the whole drying process. And I was like, listen, honestly, I get it. But I am shocked that production wasn't like. Girls, trust. Get them wet. And they did.
So that's so strange that they didn't use. Why would they make the two of them? Weird production choice.
Yeah, maybe they were like, let's create some discourse around this.
Yeah, the person in charge of the intro is kind of pissed at Jesse and Layla. Yeah.
A lot of people are ranking the vibes. I've seen that.
It's a crazy concept.
Yeah.
I don't see it executing.
I want to know how they got them there. It's like, did they go out to the person that's hiding them and be like, you're on a new dating show. We're not going to tell you who, what, when, but when you get there, surprise.
I want to know, could you potentially sneaky link with someone else's sneaky link?
We'll have to ask Chloe Veach.
Yes, Mikayla's always one or two. A star is born. For sure.
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Yeah. I mean, I think every wife has had a negative opinion of him. Regardless of what Demi or Jesse or any of the allegations or claims against him, they're all just like, yeah, he kind of sucks.
Wow. Did you like find yourself being like, should I go into room AC very quick? Funny you say that because... Chloe's army crawling? It's literally me. You're like, there's a lot of women army crawling. I don't know what they're doing, but it was really crazy. Is that Chloe? Yeah.
Wow. Why is she wearing a blonde wig?
If they slid into my DMs.
Well, he posted a video and he was at Swig and he was ranking the drinks that the girls made. And he said, why not try some of these girls? I mean, some of these girls' drinks. He was basically saying how he feels about them through their drinks. So when he tried Jesse's drink, he said, definitely something that I'm used to and that I like.
Oh, God bless.
And God bless.
I am so ready to be in love.
I'm moving out of my whole phase.
What is he doing here? What's up, people?
This is gonna get messy for sure and quick. I'm helping you explore your sneaky link relationship in a deeper way. But it's okay for you to explore other connections if you're curious.
This is a disaster.
Would you like to come over?
Kelsey didn't only step on my toes, she came for my neck.
Some of you have made crazy progress, and I can see that there are romantic sparks flying.
I kind of want Cole. I'm not here to make friends.
Yes.
Wait, I can already see like the people who have been sneaky linking for a while. They go here. They imagine to like continue to sneaky link. And then their guy is like off with another girl. I'm pissed.
Like, they bounced around.
Question. For the casting process, like, how did you, how did they get their sneaky, or like, how did they get the person that was hiding them to come on the show?
Hey, what are you doing in a month?
If I had another chance or opportunity to continue drinking this. And then he says, I could see myself drinking this in the future. He's talking about Jesse's swig drink.
Did any of them have like relationships and they were like cheating on that relationship with this sneaky link and maybe that relationship ended or something? Like, was there any of that kind of canoodling going on?
Yeah, he's gross.
But kind of talking about her. And then when he was drinking Demi's drink, he bleeps her name, first of all, in the video. And then he says, no, instantly regretting it. Wish I never took a sip of this one. And then he spits it out and does like a...
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You want to be like, come here, it's okay.
You would have joined the cast.
Oh, some growth. Okay.
Okay. Oh, I'm sorry.
Rhythmic water slapping.
Literally.
That'll get you every time. Yeah. Him in the shower and they didn't have the camera for the threesome and all it said was rhythmic water slapping.
Oh, no. The sun's come out.
And then they're all like, all right, bye.
No one's been embarrassed of you.
He's just cringy. I was like, what is this?
There's no way.
They're all like, we're dating. She's like, God, no, please.
Was it hard to host this kind of show? Like, did you find yourself kind of picking and choosing your favorites?
I mean, he clearly is trying to get clout and look at us giving it to him. So it is working in his favor, whether people like him or not.
Thank God.
Say more.
And he's cringy on Vanderpump Villa. And I was kind of like this guy. And then to have the season two storyline, I'm like this guy. We're talking about this guy.
And then you want to learn the brain of the toxicity.
Buzzword.
Well, thank God.
sorry about your buzzwords but they're like everything I want to put you on a pedestal I love you so much if you're saying I love you with the intent to get laid and you don't you know yeah kind of yeah
The first six months I was petrified. You were swerving and ongoing traffic. All of y'all are wrong.
Majora or Menorah? Wait.
The inner, I believe. Labia minora, I believe, is the inner. A country. Oh, well. Or your vagina.
I mean, I did, but that's just because my queen Stassi was back on reality television, so I very much enjoyed her.
Nick said Libya and you said labia?
Is it really only Australia? I don't even think it's Australia. I don't think Australia drives on it.
The left side of the road, correct? It's got to be more places than that.
It says United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, India, Japan, and many Caribbean islands.
Yeah.
Yes. So all of them just suck at the end of the day.
How many do you feel like you've met personally in your go around?
It's been two seasons.
I didn't finish it.
Well, back to school.
I haven't seen the season finale. I don't know who got the $30,000.
You know, you're like, do you feel like that messes with the chances of maybe having something? Because I know a lot of women are always like, oh, you can't have sex the first day. They'll think I'm easy. They won't date me. Like, do you think that's valid or do you think that's all in our women's heads?
That's valid. Yeah. Yeah, that's valid. Nick, what's your take on that?
Yeah, I'm on like episode eight, nine.
Won't be a second date. Just checking the oil. They're like, nah, not gonna happen.
Honestly, I think what we've learned is men are disgusting.
What if there were human remains that were found close to Vanderpump Villa? Would we start watching more? Then I would watch.
Honestly. And we are just so lovely. You know what I'm saying? Women are so attractive.
We have soft, supple skin. Yeah.
I'm not going to lie. But you smell amazing.
Yeah. Preaching to the choir. So I have to shave all the time. I wake up sometimes and I'm like... No, I'm kidding. Nick will make like... If I do this, will you shave your legs yet? Or no?
Poor Taylor Swift. Poor Taylor Swift. She wakes up on a sunny Tuesday morning.
I love that it's a negotiation compromise.
It's like, if I go and get you a coffee this morning, will you maybe shave your legs when you take a shower? Or no? I'm like, I don't think today is the day for that. I'll try again tomorrow.
But make sure it's iced.
Yeah, you shave every two days. Have to. And that's the expectation that you hate? Is that like to be like a dolphin?
Because we're conditioned. We're conditioned that way. I saw a TikTok of a man and he said, I'm sick. He said something about like, women always being like, oh, I haven't shaved. I haven't shaved. And he was like, I eat the sticker on an apple. You do. It's so true, though.
They don't care. Y'all eat some nasty shit.
Y'all don't care. So, like, you know, why do I care? I don't. Nick made me get a massage once. Made you?
No, he told me. Also, like, not massage. That's a great thing to do. But he didn't tell me that it wasn't a massage. It was a lymphatic stretch. So I, me and my bush walked into that room and she had my leg all the way up here and my bush was in her face. Oh no. So that's something that we as a couple did have to work through.
I mean, they just love to throw her name. They just add it in the mix. It's like there was, what's the story? Human remains were found just like near her house in Rhode Island.
What am I going to tell him? Who's going to take the dogs? The neighbor's like, ah, ah, ah.
She was so just knee deep in the cooch. She didn't realize you had entered the room. And neither did the neighbor.
You're not making eye contact with your mom at dinner.
Less than a mile away from where she lives.
It's like, we didn't need to include her name.
A lot of other people live there.
It's crazy.
But you know. I bet there was someone else who lived closer than Taylor Swift lived.
Yeah.
Please watch it. Stream, stream, stream, stream, stream.
Yeah.
It was actually in their backyard.
Probably somebody who lives there in that very house. Katy Perry. I'm just kidding. I feel like she's going to write a banger song about it, though. Taylor?
Yeah.
Loki. She gave us the drama. Honestly.
Yeah. If it wasn't for Lexi, we wouldn't have the drama with Sierra and Jesse.
I mean, honestly. Sierra, Jesse, Wes, Jesse. It's not even like that there's atomic bombs being blown up. It's just little fires everywhere.
Not really. No. There hasn't been really any other interesting storylines.
Well, we had the like Paige and Craig breakup kind of in the beginning, but then it's like that storyline's completely dropped off.
I did hear that.
And I was like, oh girl. I just never see him.
Yeah.
She activated.
The caption was absolutely absurd, but it kind of like feels like I think she's completely over Carl, but I don't think she's over like just taking the jobs at Carl because I'm like, what other reason are we doing gender reveal? Maybe so.
Also, scavenger hunt. West has never been more afraid for his life when he was like, I read your post. And she was like, okay. And he was like, I didn't see it, but I read it. And she was like, so you didn't see it, but you read it. And he's like, well, I didn't. And she's like, is there something you want to say? He's like, well, No, literally, literally like he was a panic.
Over my dead body? Bones in my backyard? They found the bodies near my house, but all I was thinking about was your body against my body. No, someone mute her immediately.
Yeah, like, I felt bad for Carl at the dinner where I'm just like, first off, he brought the sandwiches, and she's like, I brought better sandwiches.
I don't think she's in a genuine place quite yet. Whatever.
But also you do have to put in context that this is a year, less than a year after the breakup. It was a year. A year. I mean, but they've been filming before this episode for a while. So it was less than a year that she's been like back living with her ex-fiance. I'm sure she's re-triggered by a lot of things. It's only been less than a year.
But she hasn't given birth yet. She hasn't like had that connection of like, oh my God, this is like what I was carrying. I can't even think about my life before now having held this baby. She's kind of like back living with her ex, back getting re-triggered by like everything he did. It was only like 10, 11 months ago.
Cut her my god.
I'm going to. Turner seems to be very chill. Yeah. Maybe so.
I think it'd be a banger.
I have to kind of agree with Nick here in the sense that I'm like, we made choices. I don't think that anybody should have to not be on this show based off of an ex or based off of a relationship or it's anybody's responsibility. But, you didn't make a choice to come on and spend your pregnant summer with the ex-fiancee who you claim to have humiliated you.
So I'm like, it just seems like these are just like a dig after dig, week after week of like, how do I make Carl uncomfortable in this house? I love it. And I'm just like, I don't, I just, it's kind of me.
It is. Well, it's also like Lindsay's, the reveal of Lindsay, like coming back pregnant with another guy's baby to her ex-boyfriend Carl and living with him. All I want to see in that as a viewer is mess.
I'm just saying, practically speaking, it's like Carl throwing jabs to Carl's like she's not over it.
But he's not throwing jabs. That's just like his reaction. He's tried to apologize. He tried to be like, hey, let's be cool this summer.
I just want to see them throw more jabs at each other.
That's where I'm like, she's pregnant with somebody else's baby, like doing this. It'd be one thing if like, if not, or she wasn't in a new relationship, then like fine. But I'm just like, enjoy being pregnant. Enjoy your new relationship.
Couldn't be me.
I will say they clearly had a friendship for a while. I mean, they met last year. They've had a friendship. I mean, I think like the whole time, if Jesse, I would take it a little bit more serious if we hadn't watched Jesse so overly flirt with her for the past year. two years, two summers.
I feel like maybe I would have taken that conversation a little bit more to the heart where it's like, oh no, he just genuinely misses his friend Sierra and he doesn't like that they're in this weird limbo friendship where she's kind of being mean to him and he doesn't understand why. But it does raise some flags when you definitely want to fuck her and you have been nonstop flirting with her
You've crossed very many boundaries when you're supposed to be in a relationship with Lexi. So if I'm Lexi, I'm also like, this is a weird conversation to be having.
And I also have to say, I'm like, it doesn't feel like Jesse was like so much upset about like where his friendship is with Sierra as much as he was upset about the names that he was being called. He was like, I hurt my feelings. You called me two-faced. You called me a liar. And it's like, but you are two-faced and you are a liar. So where did she stutter? What does she apologize for?
It's like it's about like you're cock blocking me for the future. But I know I'm supposed to be in this committed relationship with Lexi and I know that we're really good friends. But like you guys were really cock blocking me for when the season ends. That's how that felt.
Also, Kyle was that was dirty. What part? Where Kyle goes to Lexi and he's like, were you talking about Sierra? Because that whole thing up there was about Sierra. And like, it really was the one comment.
I kind of liked it, too.
It felt very like Kyle's stirring the pot. See, and that's the thing. In the past, he usually he does, but he's like messy with it. But I'm just like, I don't know. For me, I'm like, I would appreciate knowing that the man that I'm sitting here like debating whether or not I'm going to stay with literally just ran right behind me and goes, this is why she broke up with me.
And that Sierra comment came out of nowhere. Unless production edited it out. That's fair. Like Lexi said, she said, I didn't mention Sierra's name once outside.
I wonder if she said it like in person after, you know, like maybe not in that conversation, but had said it to him in person when they were hanging out in between the U.S. Open and coming to film for Summer House. And he's like using that.
But this is the problem I have with Jesse is that it's like the question that was asked was, what was that conversation outside about? And he was like, she's mad that I had a nice time with Sierra. Not what she said. Not the conversation that was had. You couldn't wait to throw her under the bus and have everybody on your side and fuck that girl. And like, that's what I don't like about him.
He is two faced.
Did you... Him talking... Everything that he says is the most, like, eye-roll comment. I mean, him talking about Paige... I don't know where I saw a clip of it. He was talking about Paige, about how she's the funniest girl ever, and she's so relatable. She'll go out, and she'll order a Coke. Not a Diet Coke, but a Coke. A regular Coke. And it's like, okay...
Literally.
Oh, yeah.
A little bit better.
Finale's next week. Yeah. So I'm excited to see how this ends.
Well, they weren't the most welcoming. Yeah. That intro.
It does seem like one of the most terrifying environments to have to enter into as a newbie.
Huge public fallout, information exposed about you against your will.
Maybe. That must be a little frustrating on Miranda's part of just kind of like, bitch, I was a fucking OG. I started this shit. Literally, like y'all about to tell me I can't be in mom talk when I like helped create this.
Well, that's why it was so funny to me at the beginning of the first episode where it was just like, oh my God, wait, is that Miranda? Oh, my God. Like she was in mom talk. And it was just like, girls, don't act like you haven't seen her. Like we remember the contracts.
So I think for a lot of them, like it was their first time meeting her.
I'm just saying, like, I didn't know anything about mom. I mean, I knew mom talked before Secret Lives, but I knew Taylor, Miranda, and Camille were the originators of it when it started.
Was Camille not involved in the swinging?
Yeah, it was Miranda, Camille, and Taylor, and then she was-
There was the whole negotiations for casting or something. And remember, they were talking about Miranda and Camille saying, I would never do that or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I don't want to be on a show with Taylor. Yeah. But, like, I'm glad she's on it.
Yeah. Also, the dinner at Taylor's parents' house when Dakota comes. It's a tough watch. I was so mad. That was hard. I wanted to turn off the TV. That was hard. What did you do, like, to allow him to come over and sleep? Her dad, like, calling her easy was...
I'm just watching trauma wounds being opened.
It was also tough to like and I don't obviously know their dynamic, but to like not see her sisters or her mom be like, oh, that was a little far, honey.
He's like, he's my best friend.
Maybe maybe let's not go there. I mean, and it was also like the comparison of like, yeah, he may have cheated on you, but you let him come over to your house after the fact. And she's like, I didn't fucking know. This is why I want you to be on my side. What he did to me was fucked.
Anyone to stand up.
Well, Dakota, we watch Dakota time after time. Halloween party, he doesn't stand up for. I mean, he's like, him and Chase are going at Taylor. Like, he does not stand up for her.
Right. That's not nice.
I mean, didn't Blake's team also come out and be like, that's just, like, not true?
It's almost like he like not like he enjoys it happening to Taylor, but it's like he enjoys the support for himself that it's just like we're being on the same side as somebody else that it's just like he just does not have her back no matter what.
Until it's that time. Yeah.
So many people do. And then we cry, but it's like, she's not doing anything a step before. I can't remember what episode it was. Maybe it was Halloween, but it was like, somebody was like narrating her confrontation being like, she's, she's cocking her head to the side. You know what that means? Taylor's Taylor's getting activated.
And it's like these tells where it's like, she's processing, she's taking it, everything. And then when she strikes, it's so beautiful. It is.
Yeah.
Her eyes get all like,
yeah from like did she come into the season feeling like a little confident about her position in mom talk as a fan favorite yeah is it possible and it's like this the competing with Taylor where I'm like Taylor's just on her own tip like she's really not focused on what's going on on the other girls in the other girls lives outside of herself
And then it's like Demi is just so focused on what everyone else is doing. Fuck Jen. Jen doesn't tell the truth. Taylor's behavior. Like, it's just like, why don't you just take a take a beat?
Demi's doing that thing where she's trying to have like secret cahoots with other people. So everyone's on the same page. When I confront this person, you have my back. Where Mikayla is just like, I don't need to sit around. I could talk shit behind your back, but I also will say it straight to your face in the moment. No hesitation.
I'm like Demi is kind of like sneaky about it and then tries to act like it's like, oh, well, everybody feels this way. But like I didn't originate this thought where she did and she's not owning that.
Right. The damage is done now. Listen, they get what they want real quick, that team. They work hard and they work fast. I said I'll take the slap on the wrist.
She's giving a wolf in sheep's clothing is what Demi is giving for me this season.
As I said, I'm entertained. I am hooked. I have not been able to stop watching it. I'm already ready to rewatch it. I was like, I'm going to wait for the finale. I had to get through the whole thing. There was no way that I was stopping at episode nine. It was so good.
Which, you know, I'm sure his family has been like the Afflecks. Oh, yeah. Like they're our cousin. Like, I'm sure that when they first met, it was like a joke that maybe she wasn't under the impression it was a joke.
And dating an Affleck. Yeah, we're famous.
She ruined that whole family's reputation back in Provo.
I'm so sorry, Judge.
But I'm like, to be fair, where I'm just like whatever issues they may have, like I'm like, whatever goes on in her relationship, like they need to work that out. But it's like weird that the other women are so like, well, Zach, like they didn't tell, well, she didn't tell, well, I communicated. And it's just like, oh, okay. Like, I don't know.
It's like, it's like you guys are trying to ruin her relationship.
It's also like. Yeah, they're trying to be the middleman of their relationship and be like, well, did she tell you this? And Zach's like, well, I mean, not. And it's like, well, what about this? Did she tell you that? And it's like, just let them be a married couple. Thank you. And figure it out on their own.
Yeah.
Let me see. I honestly have not had a moment to keep up, which is really...
hurtful for my soul but what i do know that happened is that brian higgins who was like texting with karen reed had a little something something going on well he never texting brian well they both were they were texting each other he was responding so she wasn't texting herself he was definitely responding to her so yeah he was texting her and um the night of the murder
I was going to say, hopefully it'll be in season three.
I am pretty sure Macy gives us some insight on that on Thursday.
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Yeah.
The night that John O'Keefe died, he didn't tell any police or anyone else that he went back to work at like two in the morning. He went back to the police station with a duffel bag, did some things, didn't tell anyone he did those things. When they asked when he the next time he went to work, he was like, oh, like Monday morning, dude, like just like just like normal work day.
But it's also, I'm sure, because everyone you're talking to has seen it and they're all like, oh, this and oh, that.
It's just having two nights.
But you're friends with his girlfriend.
That was you.
And he had done some sketchy stuff in the police station. Like what stuff? And he didn't tell anyone. That's just the last thing that's sticking in my mind from what I've seen on TikTok.
Michaela, you're closest with like Macy and Jesse.
But that was the last stuff I paid attention to. Still ongoing.
Well, y'all came into season one being very close. Yeah. And then obviously we have now seen what's going on on social media. Y'all are not close anymore. What was the initial fallout of you and Demi's relationship?
The prosecution is definitely a mess, for sure. We also tried to watch Tangled this past weekend with River, and Nick the whole time was just like, God, her hair is probably so gross. It's on the ground. It's probably really heavy. It's just like, imagine how nasty it is.
Yeah. So she was willing to have the world think that she had an affair with Dakota for television. Yeah. Yeah.
No, it was her. She had a whole plan.
Yeah.
but it's magic years of is it though he's like did you imagine just it would be like a mop this is nick while me and river are trying to enjoy a tangled he's like god it's probably just really dirty like look how much it's dragging well first off it's out the tower it's pulling up her mom it's wrapped around the tree yeah her mom's shoe and god knows where her shoes have been i didn't really understand the plot of tango
If someone puts y'all in a photo and you're standing next to Whitney, are you like, excuse me?
Well, switching gears a little bit, Jessie, you have not been wearing your wedding ring. Is there anything that you can share about your marriage?
Do you think that Jordan is a good role model for the men that your daughter should look for in a husband?
Sounds like you were a little distracted.
Because it's distracting. Because her hair is really tangly.
It's a tangled web of an adventure. I don't know. I feel like you're disrespecting Mandy more by saying this. You watched the movie. That's the plot of the movie. Exactly.
He was too focused on the hair being dirty that he didn't understand that the flower was... She was a baby.
She was, like, gonna die. And then they gave her the flower. But then if she, like, cut her hair, then she wouldn't have the magic anymore and no one knew what would happen to her.
Which is why Mother Gothel kidnapped her.
And keeps her in the tower. Because she was gonna grow old.
She's a real bitch.
That Mother Knows Best song.
Mikayla, how is your health these days?
You look beautiful. You look very well.
Banger. It's so good, but it's, like, trauma. God. I love Mandy Moore.
Did you see it?
She's like closing all the curtains. She's like, mother knows best.
It's a funny show.
I'm like, okay, I'll take a lesson out of her book. We do have a fun little game we want to play. It's some superlatives. Some Mormon wives superlatives.
Love it. Obviously, you haven't seen the show, but also your memory.
This is life. Yeah, your genuine opinion of these people. Okay.
It's a funny show. Did River like it? Funny show. You know, it's definitely more for the two of us. She's like not paying attention whatsoever.
That was perfect. Don't text your ex happy birthday. Yeah, there you go. Sponsored by. Okay. Most toxic couple. Oh, God. In the group?
Taylor and Dakota.
Take it away, Jesse. Taylor and Dakota?
i love them both as people like i think they're both amazing people i think together they just can't they're in a toxic cycle that will just never end okay and we see too much yeah we know i've seen too much heard too much um okay who is most wait you didn't answer oh yeah oh yeah yeah taylor okay yeah i don't even think that okay who is most likely to beauty filter their photos oh demi yeah demi always has a filter yeah
It's a little too much going on.
Most likely to have lied this season. Jen.
It's really sad. I think if they're going to make any live action remake, I would say do The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Make it a better movie.
Best dressed.
Worst dressed.
Like when you see him at the grocery store, you see him at a coffee shop.
It's giving DoorDash. What do you think? I'm going to say Taylor. PB&J.
Who is most likely to get canceled?
I also tried to show her Emperor's New Groove. Not interested in that one either. And then while I'm watching it back, I'm like, you know, it is kind of slow. Like we do need like River needs the birds and the animals and the songs. Like we have to narrate when we're watching with River. Oh, my God. The squirrels. Wait, look at the birds.
Have y'all shared names you're thinking?
I have zero names.
Literally. Wait, what are your other two names?
I think that's it on superlatives. We kind of, yeah. That was quick. That was so quick.
Oh, gosh. That was funny.
I'm going into hiding, but thank you.
And I can't wait to see you guys more in the future.
Like we have to keep her interested or she is in the other room. Llamas not doing it for me. Llamas were not doing it for me.
Oh, my God. Embers make River rock so hard.
Speaking of moms and daughters, did you guys see that Sammy Sheen calls her sister Lola out for lying in a TikTok video and slamming her for not getting Denise Richards a Mother's Day gift? This is the craziest TikTok I've ever seen.
And I just, like, happened to scroll through.
Yeah. It kind of, honestly, she could have. It was verbal. It was a verbal slam. It was verbal, and it was definitely unnecessary.
When she first started, though, I was like, ooh, who's the T? What's the T? And then she was just like, yeah. And I was in that photo, too. And I was like, oh, OK. I am sad. And then she's like, and just so you know, she's not that great of a person. She actually didn't get our mom anything. And I made the reservation. And I was like, I don't know why I'm invested in this.
These bitches don't hold back.
She made the reservation for...
That's not a gift.
I paid for everyone's food. Lola said she was going to split the bill with me, and she didn't. I got my mom two things of flowers and a bunch of shit from Barefoot Dreams and a very nice candle and a card, and Lola couldn't even get her flowers. Isn't that crazy? But all the comments on that post were saying that she is so nice. Okay.
I mean, they just cannot help but just like word vomit all tea constantly.
This is awesome.
Well, she was a host at that restaurant. Or maybe she's at an ice cream shop or something.
He's definitely not paying your bills, baby.
That was really funny.
I will say, though, you know how there's always that one kid of the group that is the one who is organizing the group gift for the parent?
Yeah. And then there's the one.
But are any of you guys that person in your family? It was always my oldest.
Even the show, watching the show, I'm like, okay, I'm going to do make my little batches. I finished the whole thing.
Working towards that Lexus. How about my brother texted the family group chat? Happy Mother's Day, Mom. Love you so much. That was it. What? In the family group chat. Nothing for me. Didn't hear from him once. And like, you could have texted her personally. I didn't need to see that. Also your sisters.
Great. Do it then.
I do have to say in Lola's defense, though, that she did post a photo of like the flowers and the card that she did get her mom. So she said, I did. Actually, I don't know why my sister decided to bring this to social media. I don't know either.
Yeah.
You know, Lola was like, what the heck is going on? I didn't do anything.
No. She's struggling. She's having some time. Something's going on. She's having some issues with the restaurateurs these days.
Well, I mean, Sonya Morgan is notorious for having a great time when she goes out.
Or before she goes out.
What was the elderly person doing? Oh, she fell.
What if she just felt so connected to this old elderly woman and she was like, she has no one to go with her to the hospital. I'll go with her.
Empathy.
On the stretcher.
Maybe Sonia Morgan just has empathy. Yeah. Like maybe that was an empath.
Yeah. It appears that she made a call, a medical call to the restaurant. Officers responded. They issued a written trespass warning to Sonia Morgan at the request of the Breakers Hotel, the owner of Echo, the restaurant that they were at. So she must have been acting up or something. Morgan refused to sign the warning, but police were unable to corroborate that report. I didn't want to leave.
I insisted on making sure she was cared for. Morgan tells people about the elderly woman.
Wait, so elderly woman falls. I'm hearing. Elderly woman falls. Sonia comes to help. Restaurant's mad at Sonia. They file trespass, not allowed to come.
On like a bar. The police issued it.
This seems very Florida restaurant.
But what's confusing is that it says Morgan refused to sign that warning. So I guess you have an option when a police officer gives you a trespass warning from the hotel restaurant.
Okay. Eddie Murphy, Terry O'Terry, Maya Rudolph, Kyle Mooney, and Dana Carvey.
You're chilling.
Wait, it lasted 11 minutes. She's back. And Gayle King.
I just feel like people are forgetting Gale.
Gale looked like she was regretting her decision to go on that flight.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. It's just crazy to me that they really did that in the morning show.
Wait, wait, wait, let me think about it. It's like you're about to skydive. Wait, wait, I need a countdown. I can't do it. Yeah. Start over. Start over. It's crazy that they literally go to Coachella.
And do you think she was like, fuck. That's why she didn't show up.
Who doesn't fight for that?
I agree.
I don't know. Sometimes it's bad.
the whole like showed the teeth and like that was it that was like it was six seconds of just like mocking her teeth that was that was it yeah it also just conceptually didn't make sense for the sketch because everyone every single character like Jon Hamm was Rick as RFK so it would have made sense if Sarah Sherman was Amy Liu and
as like Cheryl Hines which would have been funny but then it wasn't but then also Amy Lou Woods said that her issue was with like the writing of SNL and did say she didn't blame Sarah Sherman but but it's also it's just not funny and it wasn't smart no it yeah I agree if you have to wear prosthetics to make a joke out of someone I feel like it's harmful
I think there's still... I don't know. Jason Isaacs has been really cagey about the whole thing. And then he was like, I'm not saying any drama. And I was like, girl, you started saying all of this.
Yeah, I agree with that. Do you think Erewhon has the right to not talk about the cockroaches?
You know, you go to 7-Eleven, they're proud of it, and that roach serves you coffee, and you say thank you.
She went back to working it in and out. She went back?
Hardworking.
My favorite part was that they're not boyfriend and girlfriend, but they are exclusive and they have met each other's parents. But he's like, we're not boyfriend and girlfriend. Or maybe Lexi said that, I forget. But it's like the most insane thing in the world.
Yes. I've done it on this couch.
You're trying to economize.
She's got that Tresemme money.
If I'm posting from a concert, I'm so specific about exactly which clip I'm going to post from the concert. Yeah. In reality, nobody really wants to see your shaky concert video. So it's like you're just saying you're there. So you really want it to be a good part of the song and try to get good quality if you're trying to.
She's got a foyer. She's Carrie fucking Bradshaw. No, she's Charlotte York. She is Charlotte.
You know, it's like she couldn't be like, all right, I fucked up. It's like we literally saw it happen. Tell your girlfriend to get her timeline straight. Yeah.
That should have been a TikTok video. BuzzFeed would have picked that up instantly.
Like while she's like filming this woman. I think Kyle got mad at the woman for her dogs. Like,
Absolutely. She said, what did you call me?
Like the plot of an Agnes Varda movie. Yeah, hopefully they'll go on a live soon.
Oh, yeah.
That's insane, bro.
Who's filming the live stream?
It's even interesting because, like, in, like, season one of Beverly Hills, you have the morally corrupt Faye Resnick. And it's like, they don't show anything, but they're actively talking about, like,
Camille's like playboy spread and Faye's playboy spread and that's just like used you know what I mean it's just such a different time now and I think Bravo's still trying to figure out what is okay and like not okay it's it's interesting even in VPR they did the roast of Jax and they showed the picture of like Jax's dick pic But it was also Jax.
Remember they didn't do one for Frank Ocean that one year?
Yeah. We've all been there.
He is weirdly charming. Like, there is something about him that you just cannot dislike him.
Because he's not doing much.
I guess. I don't know. But when Frank Ocean does do something, boy, does he do it. Boy, does he do it. That is very true.
I think boundaries or some sort of line was crossed. I think, yeah. My personal belief is there's like... There's an onset world for their relationship. And then maybe once that ends, then the communication ends is my theory. I don't know anything.
With Silver Springs by Fleetwood Mac in the background.
Stay there. I will, I will, I will. Thank you so much.
Yeah, she was so much fun. I was dying of laughter back here.
Yeah, yeah. Justin got an alert on his phone and then my phone is always very delayed and I got it late after the earthquake had already happened.
I think it was in San Diego.
You know what is interesting, though, yesterday? Because it was really, really hot on Saturday. And then yesterday, it was really overcast. And I told Danny, I was like, I think there's going to be an earthquake. And alas.
I did, actually. Look, I won.
I did, yeah.
No, I think her acting that quickly and saying that she only had one sister, I would never think that fast.
Oh, my God. $400 for three days. General admission starts around $600. Inflation. Yeah, general admission $600, VIP $1,200.
I bought a Dyson Airwrap yesterday. Is that why your hair looks so flippy today?
No, I mean, I spent 700 bucks on it and then went home. I was all excited to use it. And I was like, wait, my hair looks horrible. I couldn't figure it out. I'm like, I'm gonna have to go watch a bunch of YouTube. You look like a woman from the 1950s.
Please teach me. Well, I'm going to keep it. I monogrammed it.
They crammed it?
I monogrammed it. You monogrammed your Airwrap? What did you put on there? Yeah. Just my name.
I do have one question for you. In the show, you mentioned he asked you to lie to him and you said, I was never arrested. Thanks for asking this.
Yeah, that was a crazy decision.
I don't know if that makes me feel better. Danny didn't either.
Be a little bit more enthusiastic.
He hated that. Do I though? He was like, of your vagina? No, I was hoping Gwyneth's. I want nothing to do with this.
Could you win in any reaction?
Maybe.
Just try it. Maybe.
I think we'd probably light it.
I feel like it's an all-around. You're having coffee, light it up.
Christmas apple cider with the vagina.
Dinner party. Obviously. Well, it obviously depends on what scent we're going with. Right. And when your mom's in town. How balanced is my pH? Yeah.
Which time of the month?
Is she balanced? There's, like, a slight irony. There's, like, an irony.
There's just, like, a layer of, like, red. And then you're, like, wait a little bit.
You light it, and you're, like, whew, it's time. Okay, wait. Also, in, like, a weird scenario. So, the official Mattel Wicked dolls. Have you seen this? No. So they had like, and this is like the Barbie doll versions of Glinda and Elphaba. They released the dolls. And on the packaging, it says, visit www.wicked.com. When you visit wicked.com, it takes you to a porn site. And these are kids toys.
And the actual website is wickedmovie.com.
But on the packaging, it doesn't say that.
They couldn't get the domain. Don't they say less people actually approve it than you think do?
Maybe so.
We think it's five, but it's actually two or whatever. I don't know. But still, nobody thought to type that in. No one looked? Or maybe someone did.
or maybe someone did this happens pretty often where kid toys are like like there was that one kid toy like two years ago where it was like moaning and like saying sexual stuff like now we have this yeah it is interesting for these dolls though because it's like you would think they would have just scrapped all the dolls or just bought the domain so that you couldn't like go to a porn site yeah you'd think so and they haven't done anything
No, I looked it up last night. I was like, let me see for myself.
How was the rest of your night?
Yeah, was it good? Was it a good site? It wasn't my kind of content. It's woman-on-woman movies.
Oh, that's my kind of shit. That makes sense for Wicked.
Giraffes are an easy to find like kid subject, if that makes sense. Because when I was a little kid, I loved dinosaurs and you could not find it anywhere. But giraffes you can find everywhere. So that's a good thing. Really? Now you can find dinosaurs, but back then you couldn't.
Oh, yeah, that sure does. Fun theme. So, intentional?
Something has changed within me.
Yeah.
Something is not the same. Yeah.
So are you saying it was... I'm not that girl. Are we starting a conspiracy?
They did make a statement and it says toy manufacturer Mattel has said it deeply regrets a misprint on packaging for dolls inspired by the Wicked movie and they have recommended that you throw away the packaging. for the dolls. Yes, throw it away. We deeply regret this unfortunate error and are taking immediate action to remedy this.
I will say, any time that I did get a Barbie, I mean, the packaging was immediately ripped. And I was not looking, reading every word on the packaging. I was getting the Barbie out.
Here's the thing. Also, do the kids even look up website domains anymore? They're just going to the app.
This website, you can tell, is for a Karen. If there's a case where Karen's complaining about the doll, to your point, imagine the Karen going to this porn site.
She's mad.
Oh, she's pissed.
That's what she deserves.
Maybe. It's like to derail her.
Yeah, like Karen.
And she forgets.
Hey, maybe try chilling out.
Speaking of content, did you see that Paul Mescal? So he was in Normal People and now he's in Gladiator 2. He basically compared content and films to two different things. Basically saying, over the last few years, people have been talking about films as content. That's a filthy word. It's not content. It's fucking work. Well, work is content.
And basically, he's kind of drawing the dichotomy between Instagram influencers and doctors.
I don't think it's an elitist to value art as art.
He's just being snobby is what it is. Because it's like you're saying that Instagram art or like art that's not in a theater is not art.
Well, he calls it a filthy word. Yeah, there's people that make really great quality content that might as well be in theaters on social media. And that's pretty much saying that because they do it at home. Or because they're not like that. And they are getting paid to do it. It is their job. So I'm like, however, like, I don't know.
I don't think you can compare what is content versus because the way that he's saying it, he's talking about like, get ready with me or like something as if like trying to cheapen it where I'm like, there are people who make amazing content that like you're never going to see in a movie theater.
Oh, interesting.
From my experience anyways.
From my experience. Okay, interesting. I'm so sorry you went through that.
I'm also like you can consider whatever you do art and nobody can take that from you just because their terminology of content versus yours is art that It's all the same thing.
Or was it art? It was work.
I think we should move on to what has taken the internet by absolute storm, which is Zach Bryan and Brianna LaPaglia. This is the crazy. I mean, her speaking out about this, first of all,
props to her.
Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's one thing to talk to your friends and your family, but to go on a massive platform and to share your experience about someone that a lot of people love, and you know you're going to get a lot of backlash for it, is incredibly strong. It's incredibly brave, and I do just want to, like, hats off to Brianna for being able to do that, because that's scary.
So... Brianna finally opens up about her relationship with Zach and kind of starts it off by saying that he... Well, I guess Dave Portnoy really is the one who outed the number, but he wanted her to sign an NDA. And he was going to, over the span of several years, give her $12 million.
To sign this NDA. And she went back and forth. Obviously, that's life-changing money. That's, you know... That is hard. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. And I think she said, even Dave Portnoy, who is an incredible businessman, I mean, hello, he was like, maybe you should take the money. And she finally decided that she wasn't going to.
Yes. Maybe.
Do I look tired? I don't think so.
She got on her podcast and explained a lot of stuff that happened in their relationship. A few things being, he had issues with a dress she wore to the Golden Globes. He would tell her, You know, she can't wear stuff like that. She needed to change. He didn't like it. But then he would post on social media the photo of her and be like, God, she's so beautiful.
So Brianna sitting at home being like, I thought you were mad at me. I thought you hated this. But then, no, you're telling the world you like it. So it was a lot of like back and forth. She said he would really build her up super, super high just to tear her down immediately.
I don't think you look tired.
You've woken up since.
Didn't he unfollow her after that too?
He unfollowed her after that.
Oh, yeah. Sierra's like, after I put that concealer under your eyes, you look great.
Unfortunately, everybody I think while you're watching it, like a name pops up in your head.
What I remember is that she said he would like throw her phone across the room and that's why it was shattered. And then she did use the word abuse.
Yes. She said that he emotionally abused her.
A little hyaluronic acid. You're a good girl.
Robbing you of your joy when she was talking about the tour and how she was on tour with him for months at a time. They scheduled her podcast tour. She was like, I was isolated, alone. I had no friends. I didn't know these people. But staying by her dude, the second that she gets her podcast tour up and going,
He's sending her text messages, breaking up or not responding to her, booking a pop-up show. just to like fuck with her and then breaks up with her while she's trying to work. So she's devastated on the other side of the country. And it's like, you can't pick up your phone. You can't FaceTime. You can't. But he's playing a game.
It's also like she went through so much of this while being trapped on a tour bus. It feels so sad and so scary that like she just never knew what version of her boyfriend was going to like walk into her tiny tour bus. She had no idea. what version she was going to get. I think the last time she saw him, he was like, I got to go back home. I got to get out of here. And she was like, OK, I get it.
You're welcome. Well, we did have a crazy Saturday night because we took Joan's advice and we are now doing Saturday night date nights. Cute. Every Saturday night. We're two for two. We are two for two. Who made the reservation?
Can I have a hug? And he was like, no, and left. And she hasn't seen him since. And then when all of this, they broke up, he was like, listen, whatever you need. She was like, I want a week to just process this before we have to before the world finds out and I have to deal with it with the world. And then he gets caught on Raya. And so he posts a statement saying that they're broken up.
So he didn't come off as a cheater. And she said that she called him and was like, dude, seriously, like you made a dating account. And he said, I didn't make a dating account. I reactivated it. Which like just pissed me off so bad that like that was his response. It's like that's what you have to say when like, I don't know, it's just so sad.
And then I feel like the part that really breaks my heart is in this entire podcast, the TikTok she's made following, she makes it a very large point to take fault. And she's very much like, you know, I stayed in this relationship and I stuck around and I blame myself for this. And I think that is what's so sad because so many of us in those situations blame ourselves and take the fall.
And I think we're wired to do that because our partner, nothing's ever their fault. Right. And it's like you work so hard and you fight so hard to stay in a relationship because you have to like fight for every inch of validation and every inch of like love from this person that when it gets bad, you're like, I should leave. But then you're like, well, fuck, I fought so hard.
Like, why would I just give this up? Like, I've done everything. And so I think her blaming herself is just so heartbreaking. And like, if anyone is in those situations, it's not your fault. And like, while those things may be true, while she might have stayed when she shouldn't have, whatever, I think we can all
say that we've done that it's like it's not your fault it's it's the abuser's fault it's the person who isn't treating you right's fault and it just it like makes me sad that these women are just like blaming themselves but also thank god that she is saying something because at the end of the day like you are letting us know something about somebody who the next girl would be so excited to fill your shoes totally and it's like that is something that like we need to do to protect each other
And I also want to like the women before him, I've seen them get so much hate right now because they're like, why would they take the money? Like, you've got to talk about this. Like where? And it's like, I don't know what he offered his previous relationships. I don't know what he's offered. I've seen some people be like, I signed an NDA for nothing. Like what? I'm a clown, you know?
Cute story. Cute, cute story. Okay.
And it's like, Brianna is in a, in a position where she is lucky enough to say no to this money. And she said that herself. And it's like,
And the interesting part, too, is that people started claiming then that Brianna was paid $10 million by Dave Portnoy to do a tell-all.
And she's already come out and been like, that's not fucking true.
Yeah, and it's just like, there's no winning in that situation.
To Sierra's point, you're protecting others in the future by coming out and saying something.
He thinks he's untouchable.
I also do think and she, you know, when you're in these relationships and I can speak from experience, I think a lot of women can speak from experience of where it's just. And Brianna said it's like she wasn't herself. And I think, you know, she got a lot of hate for a lot of things she said recently. And it's clear she was going through a lot. It's clear she was under a lot of pressure.
And it's like, while I don't make excuses for those things, it's clear there was something going on that where she wasn't in her right mind and she wasn't thinking clearly. And it's like a lot of people turned on her to then find out that like, oh, this is what was happening behind the scenes. Like, I think she even said it was projection.
Yeah, she was like, I was clearly projecting.
Yeah. And I think also the 12 million, you know, I don't know. She said they recorded each other a lot. You know, I don't know if that is what he's trying to protect of like, I don't want these videos to get out. I honestly think he cares more about people not knowing the truth behind his songs. Thank you.
I think that he cares more about people being able to sing his songs and relate to his songs and not know anything that's going on behind the scenes and just be like, oh, he's such a magical writer.
But also I think that speaks to like just how weak of a man he is because it's like he doesn't he refuses to consider himself as country. He's like, I am not a country artist. I am not a country singer. He like thinks it's disrespectful to him. I don't know. And so it's like to not even allow your partner to listen to anyone other than you. It's like how weak is
how small of a man do you have to be?
It's definitely a take. He's continuing to post as if nothing's going on. Didn't he release music too? He's releasing music, which is, it's now like top... five, I think, in the world. I mean, it's like at the same time that all of this is happening, it is bringing so much more attention to Zach Bryan and his music.
We stood around for like maybe close to two hours.
And, you know, they're saying like Pink Skies was written about Brianna's co-host Grace. And it's like she Brianna said that she drug Zach to Grace's grandmother's funeral and he was pissed and he screamed at her and it was a huge fight. And then he ended up writing that song, which became a massive smash hit. And it's like, you know, I think that he's he's just going about it as like
My name's in your mouth. I'm going to keep releasing music. You're going to keep listening to my stuff because you're going to keep wanting to find out little things that I've written about. And he's just getting bigger and bigger.
At the bar. But we were drinking.
I think as a society, we should start devaluing the tortured man.
It's also like this is what happens when we make ugly people famous.
Literally, I don't think I had ever actually seen a picture of Zach Ryan before.
She just rolled up. We rolled up.
He is very talented. He's an incredible writer.
He's a shit boyfriend. He's a shit partner. He's a shit friend. His bandmate, bandmate, someone who he considers his brother, he talks about he's had his bandmates for his whole life, released a song, a podcast, A few days ago, Zach releases his High Road the exact same day and says nothing about his bandmate releasing his own single song. Says nothing. Posts nothing about it.
We rolled up. We were like, what's the wait for two? They're like, that's going to be two hours.
He just releases his own to like, what, one up it? It's like.
Yes, RJ, release a song.
I did look to see if Zach responded to any of this podcast stuff, and I guess he reposted two days ago on his story one of someone else's posts, but the quote said on the post, I didn't know what to say. I felt like crying. God damn it. Everybody in the world wants an explanation for your acts and for your very beginning. And that's like a Jack Kerouac quote.
He's posting a Jack Kerouac quote. Kerouac, yeah.
So it's like he's reposting stuff to respond but not being direct to your plan.
Yeah, Jack Kerouac, another tortured artist that was awful to everyone around him and everyone's like, he's so talented though.
He also, Zach responds to everything. Anytime he is like caught, you know, when the whole Taylor Swift tweets happen, he immediately posted a tweet being like, I did this, this like, I'm sorry, I was doing this. I'm deleting Twitter. Like he when he got arrested, when he arrested, he made a public post.
South Beverly Grill.
So it is like interesting that now he's just deciding to like not say anything when he's responded to every tweet.
questionable negative attention he's ever gotten and walker hayes country singer wrote the first diss track against zach bryan is it good no but that doesn't matter he he he did he he called out he called out zach bryan basically before this all happened oh yeah it basically is because zach bryan got on twitter and like talk shit about one of the songs that tyler childers got like nominated for an award for and walker hayes was like whoa like
Jesus didn't fight so that I could be for Zach Bryant. Literally. Insane. All right, well.
Well, I love Dave Portnoy and Josh Richards. Distract, it's stuck in my head right now as I'm looking at you.
Literally.
How does it go? Now that she's free. Yes, it's good.
o'clock reservation oh you both got reservations we both took the initiative and so i canceled the nine o'clock that's way too late to eat dinner but my favorite trick is you still make a reservation no matter what time it is and then you go to the restaurant at show up early and you're like we have a reservation at nine but like we just you know got here a little early can you squeeze i have to get back to my child she's sleeping
I feel like that is what SNL does too. They're like, you know what? We're going to make everything that's going on in the world that is stressing people out. We're going to make it funny and we're going to make you laugh at it.
Nice to meet you. I love SNL.
I did love the cold open.
And listen, back in my hostess days, I would have set you.
I would have, yes.
What do you mean skip lines?
Like how do we think Drake is feeling about like Kendrick absolutely eating him up? He's not okay. You know,
Do I skip lines?
Like at a park?
I don't think SNL helped Espresso because I think it honestly made it worse. Oh, the bridesmaid sketch. Yes, that one I think was also stuck in everyone's head for weeks. Domingo.
Like a theme park.
I think so, too. It has to be. I mean, Domingo. Do you think we'll ever meet Domingo? We did. We did? He came out.
Yeah, he came out.
He said, I'm Domingo. Domingo came out at the end. Oh, I didn't get there. I think I turned it off.
This just came out of nowhere, this question of like skipping.
That was so funny. I have to go back. It's great. It's a really good sketch. It's awesome.
Do you realize, I guess, in the moment when you're doing these sketches, like, oh, this is going to be huge. Or are you like, I don't know, maybe it'll land.
Yeah, I agree with that. I love that. I do too.
Yeah, I've met Barack. I did. I did. I met him. We went to this. I don't remember the exact. I think it was like getting getting creators to vote or I don't know. But there was like no plan of Barack being there.
it was like not mentioned at all they were just like we need everyone in the back room we're gonna do like a toast and it was like i have to pee and they're like no no no no one can go to the bathroom we're like okay and he walks in like so suave and he's just like oh my god and he was like it's so great to meet you he like reached through a crowd and shook my hand it has been i haven't washed my hands oh my gosh
Southwest will do this. Southwest does it. If you try to go up early, they'll be like, No, no, no, no. It's not your turn. And you have to wait till the next cycle.
No, it was truly, it was magical. It was very magical. And he said that he wanted to meet you. I was like, that's a weird time to bring her on.
And I was like, okay, I mean, I want to talk about me, but sure, I guess we can talk about her. Have you always been?
It's true. Have you always been so great at impressions or is this something that has come later on in life?
Yeah. They were like, you are paying $25 for early bird check-in or we will kill you. Yeah.
It's honestly one of my bigger pet peeves. There is nothing that makes me happier than somebody getting caught doing something wrong.
How is that to do impressions of someone and then to meet them? Like, are they like, you know, I didn't think I sounded like that.
Has it?
I don't think so. It's one of the most irritating things when you're trying to get on the plane and then everybody gets up and is just standing in front of you.
Well, it's because in an airport, everybody acts as if their brain has magically exited their body.
Absolutely not.
When you went into this drinks with producers, was there I mean, I obviously you are just naturally funny. But is there an underlying pressure of like, I got to make these fuckers laugh so hard?
no no i am sitting my ass down until it is my turn to get up wait a second i'm not dumb wait a second wait a second if you are on the aisle yeah you immediately get the fuck up immediately stand up because we've been sitting for forever i need space you've got to get up you have to get away from me what are we what are we talking about like before we get off
You're like, can I sleep on the couch in the restaurant tonight also?
It's so funny that you say this. I would love to hear your take on the Ryan Reynolds, Martha Stewart, where she was like, he was my neighbor. He's not funny.
It was actually way worse than that because I started talking about my weekend and then he just looked up but looked a little tired and I was just like, I'm not used to it. So it just jarred me and I was like... It's very early right now. You look really tired and I was like, oh my god, that's not nice.
I think they teach you how to do that when you become rich. That's like the first thing they do.
Oh, I'm up.
Yes, I'm standing. No, no, no, no, no.
If you're window or middle, you can't stand. Here's what I do. I typically fly the cheapest possible option possible. And usually that means I am in the back of the plane and sometimes I'll be in the middle. Sometimes, you know, let go and let go, you know. And so what happens is that everybody is standing up. I'm sitting there chilling.
Do you also like practice gratitude?
I have found an erotic thriller that I have to take breaks from because I can only read it once he's fallen asleep. And so it's very much. And then I'm like, I either need to like immediately find something or I need to close my eyes and go to sleep because I understand it's a little crazy. Find something.
Oh, as soon as his head hits the pillow, I'm like, let's watch a movie. And as soon as he's in the bed, he's asleep.
He's done. He's absolutely done.
I'm going to use the bathtub faucet like back in the old days. Okay. Going back to SNL, have there been any sketches that you loved that have just been rejected or that have not made it that you're like, fuck?
But there is an event where if I'm in the aisle, I can scoot out. Exactly. And if I can scoot out, I'll scoot out and then just let it go. But in general, no, I'm sitting and people get really intense. And it's like, what can you do? You are truly in a place where you have no power whatsoever. Just let that wash over you.
Yes.
People that stand are creating the stress in the plane. Because you guys are being like, we need to go, we need to go, let me stand.
I'll do it. I'll do it.
And then they take 20 minutes to get their stupid carry-on bag into the aisle. And I'm like, you need to have an exit strategy. If you don't go out of a plane with an exit strategy, you're dead to me. But we've been sitting for five hours.
I have to tell you this story. When I, I played basketball and my dad was the coach for like our rec league and And I was like, well, I'm obviously the best. My dad's a coach. Like I'm the best there is. And we were playing and it was like super tight game. And I got the ball and I shot in the wrong, you know, you switch. Apparently you switched. I forgot about that. How you switch baskets.
um halfway through and so like the winning shot i shot in the wrong and the other team won and my dad like binged me and it was the saddest moment probably oh devastating it was how old were you i was probably nine years old maybe oh my gosh
You know those people whose luggage is not where they sat, too, and they just cause mayhem on the airplane?
Any reports on a season two for Mr. Throwback?
Yeah, they force their way through just to get back.
Is there anything you do want to tell us first?
And why would you say that? Was I giving hormonal?
You just have to wait for everybody else to get off the plane, and then you go back and get your bag, like a normal person.
But I feel like that's also in true bridesmaids fashion. Like the wife, the bride is always going to pick the ugliest shit for her friends to wear.
They're all going to look pretty atrocious. Did you do that?
No, of course not. Yeah.
No, I said, you know what? I said, y'all pick. I was going to go with a pale yellow. And then I said, that's fucked up of me to ask people to wear pale yellow. So I did tell them they could wear any dress in black.
I was pleased. I had to have a serious talking to with my sister who exclusively only shops on Amazon. And I was like, unfortunately, you cannot wear this dress that is from Amazon to my wedding. You're going to have to like go into a store and like try some on and actually put some effort into this. Yeah. So that that is how that went.
If you came early, your thing would be above your head, right?
But I've been in several weddings where I'm like, you fucking hate me. Why am I in? Why am I standing beside you?
We're all inherently victims on a plane. No, I know.
How do you think Lisa from Temecula would do as a bridesmaid? Do you think she would be into it?
Also, one of the smarter things that I've seen somebody do is while they were going through the front of the plane, they're like, hey, can I put my bag on like, like just putting the bag up towards the front of the plane as you go backwards. And then when you're coming off the plane, grab your bag as you're leaving. That's a ripple effect for a disaster. Why?
Can you pick up your dog and show me your dog?
Oh!
Why is Steve in the kennel? Because he's so fucking bad. No, he is so bad. In the middle of the night, he is pulling out my makeup drawer and chewing up my mascara.
Like I do need he I had a baby nine months ago. And after you have a baby, you are in the most the biggest, largest pairs of underwear you'll ever see in your entire life. And he had thrown up so many times that I was like, oh, my God, I have to take him to the vet. And I took him to the vet and the vet was like, what is he thrown up? And I called my mom who was staying with us.
And I was like, can you find that thing that he threw up this morning and send me a photo of it? And she rolled it out. And it was my large pair of panty that I had to then show the vet. And I was like, and I will let you know, I don't wear these. Usually I'll explain it to you right now as to why he had this.
Most people are not up by now.
Because then everybody in the front doesn't have a spot.
That's not true. Everybody's already seated in the front. So whatever's open in the overhead compartment is available.
Maybe you could put like a dog blanket at the bottom of your bed and he could like stay on the dog blanket.
It's the same time as it always is when we record.
Best thing ever. And definitely best thing for Jeff. Worst thing for me. And I have never gone through so many periods of my life where I am like, I hate this dog. And then he's good. And then I'm like, I love you so much. But it's like the way he's able to jump up on the counter and pull the stick of butter that is so far away with like his tongue or his nail is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
100%. It's like an elitist class. I think it causes the biggest arguments. I think it's honestly worse than politics. You just get people going about what they do on airplanes, and people get riled up.
I do that all the time. Okay. The laptop just feels safer. I don't know. It feels more intimate.
There's a show, I think it's on Disney+, and it's for babies, but they made it Essentially for dogs as well, because the only colors that the show is in are colors that dogs can see. And so it's like, really? Yes. And I'm trying to figure out the name of it and I can't find it right now. But it's like we put it on for Jeff and he's obsessed with it. Like it's maybe chief.
If you like leave for a moment, maybe he'd love to watch TV.
Yeah. Rihanna's favorite is Salt Lake City. Yeah.
I think Salt Lake is one of the best shows ever made. I think it's like the best show ever.
It smells like hospital.
No, I've never flown Delta One in L.A., ever.
But most people are not up by 8 o'clock. Who are most people? Most Americans.
This season specifically too, there's like new characters and we're not really doing callbacks to like past stuff. So I think starting at this current season, you'll be completely fine.
Salt Lake City, you start at season three because you have to see Jen Shaw flee the FBI, which is season two. Yeah, Jen Shaw's FBI are an incredible television.
Delta One has its own entrance. I'm flying Spirit that you don't have to get normal security.
It's like, right. And they're like on TV and they're like, just bragging about all their diamonds and their massive house and all their Chanel.
Is it all worth it? Maybe it is. She got super ripped in prison.
If you love Teresa, she's on this current season of House of Villains and her and I love New York. Tiffany Pollard are about to go toe to toe in the next episode. I'm obsessed.
It encompasses the mood perfectly.
I think it's, I am doing Delta for the first time in two weeks for Thanksgiving thanks to you guys.
It's bluey.
Because you guys talk about it a lot.
Elsie.
We love Delta.
We love Delta. I admit it's not like you're paying for it.
I have gone Delta now that I realized that I wasn't like saving that much money by flying Southwest to Florida so now I've started because I have to do connecting flights in Southwest but I can get a direct flight through Delta.
For just one episode of something, I want them to go back and I want them to just do what we used to do in the early 2000s and just see...
No, I'll keep you updated for sure.
Not a voice memo, please, no. It's always like, you can always hear it.
No, it's always like...
that i talked to outside about that well we do i mean nick gets up early with river she wakes up she starts yapping in her crib at like 5 a.m and he and yeah thank you nana and we listen to it and she plays by herself in the crib now and you can hear her talk to herself does she sleep with toys or is it like a mobile i like to put a new stuffed animal in her crib every night so when she wakes up it's like a surprise there's a different stuffed animal
Delta you can choose your seat. I found that out because Southwest it's a free-for-all like Yeah.
What is the Dorinda quote? She's like, say it, forget it, write it, regret it.
Something.
I just like the two free bags. That was the only airline that does that.
We could argue about this for hours.
Love her. Oh, you're still here.
We've been using Dreamland for pretty much all of River's life. There might have been a few months in the beginning where we were like... A couple days, maybe. A couple days, maybe. But other than that, she's been... Yeah, she's been a Dreamland baby.
Literally. And... She sleeps so good. Like we've had, we accidentally traveled one time without it. We forgot it in her crib.
That was not fun. She did not sleep as good. Therefore, we did not sleep as good. It's so perfect because it's weighted evenly throughout shoulders to toes. And so it just feels like they're sleeping with like you hugging them or like your hand on them. And it just is so calming.
Yeah. I feel like I should publish my master sheet because I made you one for Salt Lake City way back when. And I'm sure you didn't look at it, but I definitely looked at it. It has every episode that anybody should watch.
I think it could change lives.
Yeah.
Basically, because season three is the best launching pad, like I said, but there are like little bits before.
So basically, before, when we first started talking about season four last year, I sent Nicholas, I was like, just in case you ever want to watch Salt Lake City, here's, I think it was like six episodes to watch.
And it was like six episodes pre-season four to like make you want to watch it. And we got there.
Yeah, I don't, neither of us have watched before season four.
I've never seen Jen Shaga arrested. Season three is like the best season, but then season two has her being arrested. Yeah.
To watch Jen Shaw get arrested on television and then spend an entire next season victimizing herself and just screaming at everyone is like the best television in the entire world.
girl what were you thinking how dare you do you feel bad i would erica gerardi her i would be like do you feel bad for the people that you scammed the victims the victims yeah and then she'll probably victimize herself that's the thing i know if she goes back on salt lake city she's gonna be like i should be like but do they feel bad for me yeah she's gonna find a way to victimize herself she's gonna go back on salt lake city yeah i think she has to i think she's gonna be like you
guys all betrayed me she like love everybody on the current season but it's like she made salt lake city the show that it was because she dominated the cast so much i know well i don't think we need to go back to exactly i think we're done i think we're done it is but like good tv i love really good tv do you want her back or do you think she'll come back i think she'll come back too i think she's gonna theresa judice it i don't know or erica gerardi erica jane she's still on beverly hills and people not taking down what theresa did but i think it's a lot different stealing from the government and stealing from old people
I also don't think there is anyone she could replace that we would be okay with. I mean, Bronwyn carried this episode. I love her. The fight between her and Lisa was so petty, but also she ate. Yep. Yeah.
When Bronwyn specifically said, she was like, Heather's saying Bronwyn said this. You were saying Bronwyn said that. Well, Bronwyn says.
And it was like, whenever she came back from the bathroom and caught Lisa calling Heather, it was like she caught her child, like,
trying to sneak candy you know it was like the way that Lisa was like oh no I was just calling to say that I missed her and it's like that's not why you called you called because y'all were arguing about why she wasn't there and it was right like let's rest the case that was a vindictive move 1000% because Lisa Barlow was being vindictive all she had to do was go to her room bring Meredith with her and call Heather she wanted to do something exactly Lisa's infamous for like testing people's like tolerance it's iconic and seeing what she can get away with
But then also acting like I did nothing and you're accusing me.
And the switch up was wild because she goes, I don't want to be in the middle of this. And it's like you started the argument we're talking about.
I also will say I love Bronwyn. I love everything we've seen of her, her relationship, her family, her dynamic, everything so far. I didn't love the conversation that she had with Todd post Lisa fight. It felt very like dad getting on to like it was like he was scolding her. She wasn't like it was a conversation. Yeah, it wasn't a conversation.
It was just him being like, I'm not putting up with this. This has to end like I'm done. She's like, okay.
It was the night in Shining Asshole situation.
But I will give him credit in the sense that I am like, they just paid, what, for a private jet, a $20,000 a night place, and you're coming here starting drama on our wedding anniversary?
He was somewhere else right before, too. He flew here just to fly with you guys.
Yeah, she had to put on a whole, like, costume to go pick him up at the airport. Now they're acting a mess.
He also said, he said before, he was like, I don't want anything to go down on this trip. If it does, they're leaving or I'm leaving. So he made the ground rules.
We're filming a TV show. That's one of my favorite parts of Housewives is when people are like, we're not going to fight on this trip. If there's any fighting, you're leaving. It's incredible.
I think he's a good house husband because I think him being like, she needs to leave or stop. And then he went in front of the camera to talk to John to be like, you need to tell her. That was so funny.
You know, we actually both did all right.
They used to film more scenes. Like they used to have a ton of scenes like almost every other episode of The Husbands.
But even like this episode, like I feel like Todd, no, but like Seth loves.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Game one, Eagles at Cowboys. We have the Eagles won. We picked the Cowboys.
That's who do you think is richer? Her or Heather Dubrow?
He's tech money.
He's the Todd father.
Yeah. Todd father. The Todd father.
I will say Bronwyn is getting a little bit of flack after this episode of like. Why? And I don't think so. I love Bronwyn. But people are saying like she's being elitist. Thank God.
That's what the show is.
But she had a lot of soundbites of like, well, I'm buying your friendship now. Or like, you know, those different comments of like, you're going to talk to me when I just paid for you to go on a private jet. It's like valid, maybe. Like, is she weighing the money above like someone confronting her?
I think she should make them feel poor. I think that these women need to feel poor once in a while in their lives. I agree. I love Robin. That's the thing. Like, they do need to be humbled. Be like, you're not all shit, Lisa Barlow.
And Bronwyn's sweet, but she's also direct and whatnot. So it's also all of these qualities that some of the other women just don't have and you want to flaunt your wealth. Well, look at Bronwyn by a $1.5 million necklace.
Yeah. Someone did DM me and they were like, you have to stop picking the Cowboys.
I love it when a rich person has to feel bad about not having as much money as they thought. It's incredible.
Right.
Did y'all understand Seth's comment of you judge a straight man by their wives?
No. I watched it twice. I did watch it back because I was like, because then Todd goes, well, I'll double you back. Like the wives, something about their coverage.
Because they're like, they outkicked their coverage. And then Todd's like, they outkicked their coverage. It's like, of course he's saying that he's a billionaire.
Out of your league.
But you judge a straight man by their wives. I don't understand that.
The weird part was because also Meredith was the one that started the rumors about Angie Kay's husband being gay. So it was like, are you saying that to just make him feel more comfortable? But then it's also spotlighting him indirectly.
Like, y'all pick them every time and you have to stop. It's almost as if I have been trying to manipulate everybody into hating the Cowboys as much as me this entire time. Is that you that DM'd me?
And then he's like, cheers.
He doesn't care about Justin, whatever. He's a CEO. We'll be fine going to this trip because he's a CEO.
It's giving Danielle in last season of Summer House and she was like, I created an app and it says CEO. I don't care if she's crying.
And I don't make people cry. How about that? How do we think Heather? I mean, she wasn't in this episode at all, really, besides the like.
I missed Mary, too.
Is she spending the weekend with her son? Question mark? Her son.
Her and Robert Jr.
She didn't try it with excuse. Yeah, it was.
She said it as a question. She was like, I'm spending the weekend with my son. Yeah. Literally anywhere else, but be on that trip with you guys. Thank you.
I do want to know more about Mary's family, though. the dynamic now because I feel like it's changed we don't see like Robert Sr. on camera but then like the son lives there but it just stays in the room Robert Jr.
being married yeah and then Mary not acknowledging quite that they're married is so interesting to me when they don't invite a housewife on a trip like they didn't invite Heather because like Mary's just Mary yeah
I have burners.
You're right. So like in the next episode or two, it's bound maybe to have an episode of like Mary and Heather going to lunch or Heather going to lunch with someone else to be like, how do you feel about Brittany?
I have burners. Yeah, so we lost that in vibes. Eagles did demolish the Cowboys like 34 to 6.
There you go. I watched the after show and it was really interesting. Yeah. Heather's obviously like, of course, I miss my friends and I'm so glad that they called me because I wanted to know if they were thinking about me or just thought that it's okay if I'm not a part of the group. And then they go to Brittany and Brittany's like, I didn't even get a call. Can I say something?
I love that.
Yeah.
Like the kids and all that. I want to know.
Until right now, I didn't know she wasn't in the episode or on the trip.
But we won the other one.
I would have opened that door and been like, jump out.
Can we talk about Lisa's take on Italian food being too fresh? What does that even mean?
We did. The Vikings did beat the Jaguars. So it's 1 and 1. Vibes is currently at 7 and 13. Thank you. I think we need to hear it. And knowledge is 11 and 8. 7 and 13. That's not too bad.
She doesn't cook.
Lisa eats Wendy's. She is Wendy from Wendy's.
She just learned how to use a George Foreman last year.
Yeah, but to call, she's like, it's just too fresh for me.
She made bacon or something. It's insane. She can make a microwaved hot dog.
I've actually heard from several people that the food in Italy isn't good. I've never been. I'm sure it is absolutely amazing. It's good. I like the pizza better here.
Okay, maybe don't throw Olive Garden astray. Some people have layers.
Listen, Nick was serving up breadsticks at Olive Garden.
We need to talk about this at length sometime.
I do love it. It's a family meal. He also worked at McDonald's.
Oh, you did?
Yeah. But he got fired for eating all the chicken nuggets.
Do you think they had security camera footage of you?
They didn't have cameras back in the day. I want to see Lisa Barlow do one of those things where she works at a Wendy's for a day.
She's got to eventually. She's the queen of Wendy's sponsorships, if you haven't seen.
Imagine Lisa Barlow is taking your order.
I did find out that Seth is the SVP of merchandising and extreme value sourcing at Big Lots.
That's his job?
Is that Meredith's husband?
Yeah, we could connect the dots.
That's where he had to leave the trip for?
Maybe that's why he left the trip early is some Big Lots liquidation.
yeah because it's not just big lots though it's like multiple companies that he liquidates his current contract just seems to be under big right yeah interesting yeah but it it is interesting because like meredith and seth have been on the storyline before where it's like we're separated like you're no you're never there for me you're always working and like meredith at one point was like sleeping with other men maybe it was unclear and then now she's saying well like it's feeling like detroit again or whatever city she said
Yeah.
But what's going on in Detroit? She might have said a different city, but like... They separated.
Yeah, they separated. After they were having turmoil, so that's the whole thing when they come back together in the first season, they kind of talk about their relationship repairing.
Yeah.
That's what I was thinking, that they might separate or divorce later on.
It seems like if they're trying to introduce a storyline for her, that seems like it would be her bat mitzvah versus her marriage.
Well, the bat mitzvah is still happening.
Yeah. But Meredith famously does not like people talking about her marriage. Fact. Yeah.
so her husband's on the show talking about their marriage i did think it was like seth had to know that he had to leave before the trip happened right i feel like he just saved that little bit in peace for like the cameras when once i got there and was like okay by the way it did seem a little bit of like a a stage a stage it did feel this episode did feel a little produced to be honest yeah i love it though i was entertained is it because this like the husbands are playing along
Well, we're not watching Salt Lake City for, like, a real normal relatable life. We're watching it for, like, the characters and, like, the scenes of, like, you need to leave.
Yeah, I feel like Salt Lake City is almost a parody of Housewives and it's completely self-aware of, like, all of... That's what makes it so good is that it's, like, so aware of every single Housewife, like... Tropes. Tropes. Yeah, it's aware of all of the tropes and it's just leaning in in this perfect, like, funny way that is incredible.
I don't know. I'll be honest. I think reunion part one of OC was more entertaining than...
Oh, well, I'll never say that. But it was entertaining.
You'll never say that?
Nothing's ever more entertaining than Salt Lake City.
For a first part reunion.
They definitely heard Nick on the vile files say they're going to save that for the third part.
And they were like, no, rearrange.
I was confused, though, because I'm kind of like, what's going to be in the rest of the episode?
It was a good reunion, though. That part. Because then we had the Katie of it all.
That was wild. Which I did not like whatsoever. Them coming after Katie for wanting her to admit that at some point in her life she wasn't the best version of herself and had to... They were trying to paint her as this bad mother. They wanted to paint her as a Karen.
They were equating the paparazzi rumor to her past.
But even then...
the giant contradiction of heather bringing up this stuff where she's like i don't like that people are digging up things on other people it's like yeah even if it's public knowledge you know we haven't talked about it on the show yeah she's platforming i didn't even know i didn't know any of that she's like they're talking about it on a blog everywhere no it's not heather gets like updates to her email from this blog because i didn't hear about it at all and i follow so many bravo pages that's how sweat
101 right like you talk about the rumor on the show and you bring the rumor from like the deep internet or the blogs onto the show and then you just kind of go after your your castmates it just felt really gross that Emily is breaking down Katie's past and being like why legal like why did you have why didn't you have legal custody of your kids well like yeah why didn't you okay I get physical because you signed away your rights to your kids it's like obviously she went through a bunch of shit and like
She was homeless, she said, and she was not going to make her kids be homeless, too. It's like, why are you making her say all of this and relive this at a reunion?
For me, it was giving that like Heather and Emily sat down and read through the documents, dug things up just so that they can weaponize it in case something was said.
Okay, Rook.
Yeah. My issue with like these kinds of reunions is I feel like there's so much stuff that they're saving for the reunion that would be so much juicier and more fun if they would just say it on the show. Because on a reunion, it's like you say it and he's like, wow, anything else to say? They argue for a couple of minutes and then it's like, OK, let's move on.
And I'm like, no, I want to see this fester. I want to see this. I want to see this like I want to see it go down the gossip chain and become 10 different things and have a big blow up. I don't want it like, you know what I mean? I feel like they're saving it.
So like that's not what they're saying. So the police are lying? Which, I mean, her story, it didn't really make a lot of sense because her, when she explained it happened all on the interstate, she pulled off, he got behind the car and then Heather's like, well, no. It was at his house. It was at his house. And she's like, yeah, that is true. The neighbors, I didn't see any neighbors.
And it's like, well, I thought we were on the interstate. So like, it's definitely confusing, but also who gives a shit? This was 10 years ago. Like, why are we bringing up something like you just need.
But it's like this like fake moral high ground that they have, because then in the finale, when Tamara's trying to expose Shannon for digging up stuff about Gina and still puts it on the show anyways, it's like Emily is like, no, you need to tell Gina right now because this is so shitty for her to do. And then you both just sat there and just unleashed all of this private information about Katie.
That like wasn't warranted. Not necessary.
I definitely think Tamra got the hint from the audience that she has been too hard.
She's never been this quiet on a reunion. Silent. I forgot she was on the episode. No, she's like, I don't want to be toxic. Isn't that a beautiful thing?
Well, when she kept saying like, I'm sorry, I knew. I'm like, I, I. And it was like, she was not really apologizing, but trying to sound like she was apologizing. So one foot forward.
I guess. I guess. And I mean, I guess we'll see. Emily made a good point of being like, Gina was able to forgive you. Shannon, are you able to forgive Tamara? And while I wish Tamara would have been like, listen, I am just sorry. Yeah. She couldn't say those words. So I don't really know what Shannon is forgiving.
Do you know any of this? Break it down.
So basically, on one side, the first thing that Nick said, at an event that Katie wasn't invited to, but other housewives were, Emily is sitting at this like dinner table, her back to the camera, but on her phone, you can see her like- Her back to a fan.
Like on Emily's phone, if you zoom in, you can see that she's like stalking Katie's page.
Is she stalking Katie's page or did Katie just post something and she's going through her For You page on Instagram?
It could have been anything. She was looking at her content. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a chance that within the five seconds someone took a photo.
In the heart?
Does Emily follow Katie on Instagram?
It is in a call profile, though. So someone matched it up to something that Katie had posted. So she was looking at Katie's Instagram account, whether it was on her feed or whatever. Let's see if she's following.
I'm pro lurking.
She could be in a conversation with somebody and somebody was like, oh, so what's going on? Or what's happening? You have to see this girl.
Let's pull up Katie's page.
You definitely stalk your rivals. She does not follow Katie. So she somehow went out of her way to see this post.
That's real as fuck. I got to respect the game as a lurker.
And the other thing is people are accusing Gina... Of commenting under her own post.
So basically, a blog posted a photo of the OC woman. And from Gina's account, we'll leave it at that. From Gina's account, there was a comment left that said, Love my gal Gina. Best daughter. Best mommy. Best friend. Heart, heart, heart, heart.
After her date with Peter, she commented on her page.
Such a genuine and real date.
We love your story. Basically, her account commented this, and people were like, oh, she forgot to log out of her Finsta. Then she commented on the post that we're calling this out. Basically saying, if you want the real scoop, I'll give it to you. My dad goes on my account and deletes mean comments when I make posts because he doesn't like the thought of me having to see hurtful things.
He forgot to switch back to his account before writing that. I love him for writing this, although in reality I don't give a fuck about what any of you people have to say.
No, no. What is wrong with you? I'm confused.
I lost the plot.
Explain this to me. It makes sense.
It does make sense.
He logs into her. Gina's dad. Correct.
Allegedly.
On his phone. He has his phone and he logs into Gina's account on Instagram.
Gina's dad.
And he deletes negative comments so that his daughter won't read them.
he's protecting his daughter because she's lurking through the blog post and so he's like I don't want her to see that I don't want her to see that I'm deleting those and then he's like oh a picture of Gina on this fan love my gal Gina she's the best daughter and the best mommy post oh frick he forgot to switch out and get back into his account where did the comment that came from the fan account come into the equation there were
they commented it was a comment on a fan account post her account commented on the fan post gotcha but the fan post wasn't talking about gina so it looks like she like forgot to switch out of a finsta that she would have otherwise been hyping up herself i think we should just acknowledge that all the time what was the caption that her love love my well now that i'm looking at it is a little suspect um love my it is just interesting
Five.
It's so many hearts. It's just red hearts. It's just red hearts. So many hearts. Just hearts.
She said, well, her account said, love my gal Gina, best daughter, best mommy, best friend, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart.
They probably do.
I think it's funnier for her to say her dad did it. The only part that is questionable.
Yeah, that's the beauty of housewives. Maybe they don't always be honest. I want them to lie and be deluded.
The only part that's questionable is gal. G-A-L. I, my dad just wouldn't. And maybe we have different dads, but like gal, I don't, but it's like, that's an older term though.
I don't like my best gal pals. Like that's such like an older, something different now. And the first thing he comments is best daughter. Why would she say about herself on a group picture? I'm the best daughter. She might lead with like best mommy, best friend, best daughter.
He was shot through the chest.
That's true. This was written by a dad. This was written by a dad.
You believe Gina? Yeah. Okay. I'm believing Gina. I absolutely believe Gina. I'm believing Gina.
This was her dad.
I'm just like, your dad never made this mistake before. You know?
I have a question. How many other posts is her dad commenting on? Is there feedback of like, oh, her dad comments on a bunch of posts. This is kind of normal.
And shot in the arm.
But also, she is right. Who gives a fuck? This is crazy that people are like, oh my God, I can't believe she didn't log out.
That's tough. He's got that dog in him. Do you think the arm he used to make the touchdown was the shot arm?
That is the whole purpose of the Housewives community is to argue about... Her dad does have an account. It's Sema777, so it does look like a fan account, and it's Jean and Susan Archer, her parents. So it's very likely.
Does he use a lot of emojis on his own account?
Someone responded to her comment saying, your dad is your social media manager, question mark. Come on, guys.
That's the thing. Why would she give her dad her login? I would never, ever.
She's a grown woman with kids. She's not flirting in the DMs. It's not because of the nudie pictures she doesn't want her dad to see.
I would give my mom my like login and be like, sure, if you want to like.
What about if your dad, would you not give your dad your account if he needed to go on there and fix something?
Maybe that's her relationship with her dad.
People's families work for them. It's possible. I did think it was very sad that Emily had to explain what immunity is to Jen. And it just makes me feel like Ryan truly does not tell her anything.
I don't know. That's some next level human. That's some next level vibes. Ricky, don't lose that number. There we go.
Yeah, the details also were kind of like didn't really make sense. Like he didn't have a BOFA account, but he needed a BOFA account to pull the money out. And then he didn't really know where the millions came from.
Gina said it really well. You're putting yourself in the line of fire to marry this man.
But even with her own comment, too, where she was saying that like she was like taking the blame for Ryan being involved in this case where it's like Ryan did what he did regardless. It may be more on a platform because you're on a show, but he didn't get busted or anything. need to work with the FBI because you're on a television show.
Should we get into some household headlines? Yes, please.
That sounded like something he told her. A thousand percent. It's giving like Zach Bryan, Brianna LaPaglia, where he's like, well, this was your fault because you're on this TV show. So now eyes are on me. Like if you hadn't been on this TV show, then we probably just would have
Bonnie and Clyde. Bonnie and Clyde. Which, like, that movie famously ended.
What's going on in the news? Did you see Regan is not retiring? Who? Regan, the Australian breakdancer.
It was a good ending, though. Yeah, they all died.
Died, yeah.
Unfortunately.
it's just like sad to see her like i think it's just sad to see a relationship where it's like you're so willing to like settle for someone that is doing these kinds of things for the sake of love it's just like it's it's i just i just wish a lot of people were able to have an environment around them that allowed them to value themselves nick has a point though like she kind of blew up her world for this man so it's like not even like settling it's like
I'm hoping that part two, there's more of like the Ryan conversation because like before the reunion, she was like, it's going to be a bloodbath. And I feel like we still don't have the bloodbath.
Australian breakdancer, Regan, who scammed her way into the Olympics.
Even then I want to ask Emily about that as well, because I'm like, it's weird that he needed to use somebody else's bank account versus opening up his own if his business was legit.
Well, that's the part where I was like, maybe she doesn't know or she's trying to be careful with speaking or maybe we just haven't seen all of her explanation.
Because last week it was a headline.
Well, I mean, the girls did make a point, too, because Shannon, trying to protect her so much, was like, can she even be talking about this? Because, like, I know he has immunity, but does he have full immunity? And, like, if she does say something... I do wonder that, actually.
And I do love when housewives try to throw shade, but then it doesn't land. So when Jen Pedranti randomly was like, well, your husband's family funds your life, and then it went nowhere.
Well, it ended. Well, it ended, yeah.
Okay, well, I guess we might see more.
It was left on a to be continued.
She was also waiting on that. She was like, I have that on my Rolodex.
It is funny when you can tell that they've really rehearsed the line. Yeah, to let it slip at the reunion.
Or they've just done their research for the reunion and they're just coming in prepared with things about each person that they can bring up if they need to.
We're taking sharp turns to things that don't matter.
I do respect studiousness and prepping.
Well, she said she's going to still do community jams. I'm still going to get down. But in terms of those elite competitions and the Olympics, which, by the way, breaking is not even in the Olympics. Not anymore. Because of her. I don't really see myself competing. It's not me that's retiring. It's Ray Hadley.
We do love someone who studies and who works hard and who makes good grades. We do love all of those.
Yeah, so... I do wonder how Alexis Bellino is going to, like, end.
Oh, I hope she gets eaten alive. Yeah, she gets to show up. I hope she gets eaten alive.
Because I'm like, what is she... I hear it goes badly for her.
Good.
Yeah. She deserves it. Well, I mean, she's going around saying that, like, producers called her to be, like... And this is just, like, during the season. Called her to be, like, are you okay? Like, the world doesn't like you. Kind of vibe, so... Sucks to suck. I wonder if she's going to come in and be, like, more victim-y or if she's going to come in and be, like, guys, I was wrong. No.
I sound crazy.
No.
It's her and Johnny J against the world.
But she's backtracking on a lot of it. That's where it's like kind of new.
Well, she's like, I regret ever bringing up the videos like I never plan on like releasing those.
OK, but you did. Sure.
And then she's also following Joel Kim Booster. So that's still funny.
What's wrong with following Joel Kim Booster?
I think I still follow him.
You follow him? Yeah. Have you seen Loot?
I'm not going to unfollow him just because he got a little petty. What Mary and Nick are trying to say. No, I'm kidding.
No, literally. What me and Joel are trying to say. They're anti-Shannon.
I think Shannon also handled herself pretty well. So well.
So far.
And Gina also backed her up being like, look, that was in the past.
Yeah.
We've fixed that, so why do you care about it?
It's insane to watch Gina and Shannon just interact with each other like normal human beings.
for whatever reason it's like and it makes sense for our Gina interview where she was like I was not the closest to her but by the end of the season I was the closest to her yeah it was like well it's like Gina is just coming in to Shannon with like basic human empathy exactly which is like something that a lot of the other girls weren't doing they all definitely think they're better than Shannon for sure yeah
She's chill.
She's not like overproduced. She's not like conniving.
Maybe is the way to put it.
And for context, last week we talked about this on Pop, but last week there was a headline of Ray Gunn's retiring. And the whole bit has been she's got breakdancing removed from the Olympics.
I thought that was the most... She's on to get dirty, to your point.
She's talking about the enema at the reunion.
The enema was incredible. It's something that I will cherish seeing on my screen for a long time. I thought it was hilarious, and I'm really glad that Shannon brought that up on TV.
It's what happened. She gave it a lot of publicity.
She also made it kind of laughable, which I feel like that's like one thing you don't want to do to an Olympic sport is make a mockery of it.
Yeah, I guess so.
So she's in the stuffed animal phase.
Well, Whoopi Goldberg also announced she has plans to launch an all-women sports network.
Alright, pop off. Whoopee! Thank you, mama.
I need a Sister Act 3 before this happens.
Again, Sister Act 3 will be held on the court. The nuns are playing basketball.
Does she have a favorite? We're entering it. She does have a favorite and it's so funny because... Is it the avocado one? No, she does not love the avocado one.
Who is your favorite sister growing up?
Are you making names up?
Sister Arc 1 is a classic.
There should be a Housewives with nuns. They could never, though. I know.
Secret Lives of Nun White. Yeah.
They can't get married, right?
Secret Lives of Sister Nuns. I mean, they made the sound of music, so...
that's have you seen it who hasn't seen the sound of music i've seen sound of music edelweiss hills are alive 13 going on 30 yeah like a right 16 going on 17 yeah gotta watch sound of music yeah okay but sister act two
Gwyneth Paltrow, transitioning us here, needs to watch Sister Act because... So she had her, like, intermittent fasting diet that, like, took the world of, like, bone broth and apples or whatever it was.
Yes, yes. That's her daughter's name.
Bone broth?
Apple.
Bone broth would be such a beautiful name for a baby girl. I was like, which one?
Could have been either one with Gwyneth Paltrow.
The thing is, she's making headlines now because she was seen in New York City chowing down on a steak and ice cream. Good for her. Off of she, like, took the world being like, only eat this.
It was an intermittent fasting. But wouldn't you think your body can't handle, this is my own brain, she's eating nothing and she's going to eating a steak?
She's not an LA girly. No.
She might have a little bit of a tummy ache. It's a Wagyu French dip sandwich. Ooh. Classic sea salt fries and a Samoa sundae. I mean, it sounds fantastic.
Do you think Gwen and Paltrow would go to Cantor's with me?
What's Cantor's? Oh my God.
Cantor's? Deli? What?
Wait, we tried Cantor's on the way back from Coachella when we shot. Sorry.
No, we didn't. No, we didn't.
Oh. Wait, what's Cantor's? I don't know what Cantor's is.
It's down on Fairfax.
Oh my God.
Cantor's is a place on Fairfax. It's delicious. It's an old school diner. You got to try it.
But she does love this giraffe that I got her in Nashville and I was like, River, do you want this? And she paid zero attention to it and my sister was like, she does want it. And so... Actually, my sister bought it, not me. But Amanda got her the stuffed animal and she could not care less about this giraffe. At all. Hated it. Would not look at it. Would not play with it. And now obsessed.
Kind of, yeah. It's by the complex place, which is devastating.
I love it.
I was there on Friday. Matzo Bell soup is delicious there. I got the pastrami dip. I had a great time.
I do want to smell Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina candle.
What do you think it smells like?
Her vagina is what it's supposed to smell like.
Hers, personally?
The whole thing was it was her vagina.
Wow.
Like what? I don't know.
My own curiosity.
And it was exploding and that's why people stopped buying it.
It was exploding? You didn't know this? It was a while ago. She was literally popping her pussy. She said, that pussy fire. That's crazy. Honestly, what do you want for Christmas? Like my own vagina candle?
But I don't think that people are like vilifying Craig that much. Like, I think that people are vilifying both of them. And if Paige is getting enough hate that she had, she wanted support from Craig. And I think that like, if they've been dating for long enough, it's like, you still care about each other just because it's not going to work out.
It doesn't mean that you didn't put in a lot of time in that relationship and, and have a lot of love for the person. So I just think that like, it's not a crazy ask to be like, Hey, I'm getting kind of killed out. I think it's a crazy ask.
He's a good looking guy. Yeah.
She could have meant it at the time.
yeah sure exactly well exactly exactly like maybe it was a mutual breakup and he's just like there's no way to know like what the actual truth is because he he could have misremembered their conversation she could be misremembering their conversation like she could not be doing this intentionally like i'm gonna lie and make myself look better it could just be that her perception of the breakup was that it was mutual because they were on different pages that's insane leah this conversation you you
Why?
Yeah, maybe to Paige's perception was that it was a mutual breakup. That would be like if someone cheated.
So who's the liar in this situation?
I want to be clear. I'm not calling Craig a liar, not calling Craig a liar, just trying to add a little bit of devil's advocate here where it's like we were not there when they broke up. And so we don't know all the intricacies and the details. And they could have different perceptions of how it went down and still be both speaking their truths. And neither one of them could be lying.
Maybe just a lot of you looked hot.
They could just have different perceptions of how it went down.
That's your oasis?
Thank you.
That's great, man. Scary, scary, but great.
It was a shitty football game. We finished traitors.
Which one was that one?
I'm thinking that he was the one who got Rob out. He did. He did.
It was so gross.
And she has friends.
Let's ask Allie Jo. I'm going to bring her in. I want to see this energy, Nick.
Allie Jo.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Is Drake a pedophile? Well, allegedly.
She's so right.
He also wore a necklace with a lowercase a. A.
Yep, I watched this performance and I was like, okay, great. And then I really thought about it.
60?
50?
Wow, that's crazy.
About what?
Well, Paige and Craig broke up Thanksgiving time and then she he wasn't ready to announce or go public with it. And she gave him the space and time. Yeah, they had been broken up for a while. And then she saw a post where he seemed single. And so then she was like, OK, if he's going out looking single, like must be time to announce this.
So she texted him and said that she was going to announce it on his podcast and he didn't reply. He never responded.
It's an interesting path to go down this route. You know, I definitely saw her like selling, you know, like razors on her social media or something or like, I don't know, hair care gummy bears or something or doing stand up comedy. But like, I definitely could not have predicted this path. It's crazy. Like NFT.
bitcoin whatever meme coin whatever the hell that even is the thing is too is that their team published a thing called hawkonomics where they after they made the money and sold everything they basically cooperated that a majority of the shares went to kind of like insider people the fact that she is going down for the same thing martha stewart did is insane but not quite the same not quite the same and people and like no it's not but like insider traded
People were losing, like, millions of dollars, too. Like, someone lost $3 million investing in this.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, Martha.
Actually didn't.
I don't know. I don't know. If you're buying Hawk to a Bitcoin, though, like meme. I was going to say, I don't feel bad for you. Thank you.
Again, I feel like they have stock markets for a reason. If you're going to give $3 million to somebody who doesn't work in this field and all of a sudden it's a hawk meme, hawk to a whatever, then I'm like, if you gave $3 million and lost $3 million, who do you have to blame for that?
Thank you. What's next? Are you holding space for your economic jokes?
Oh, I'm so holding space for my economic jokes. I don't know if I can take it anymore. I'm done with holding space. I'm done with it. I'm not.
I think the bigger question is, I don't give a fuck. Wow. I think she is playing, did you see this interviewer? Who's her? The interviewer, what's her name? Tracy Gilchrist. She's having a ball. Oh my gosh, she's got a brand deal with Mac.
If you're a journalist for Out Media, Out Magazine, and then you get to do a Mac, she's going to lean in.
I don't think it was a bit. I think they were genuinely confused and trying to not insult the interviewer. And they were like, oh, really? Like people are doing that? But Cynthia was like crying, wasn't she?
Yeah.
I went to the Lakers family holiday party this past weekend with Chambliss and Crystal was there with her husband. And so I was like, wow, Crystal, you really, you've gotten me diamonds. Now we're at a Lakers holiday family party and there's like Hermes bracelets and Smeg appliances. Now he's part of the Lakers family.
I think she just said, that's what I wanted.
Cynthia thought that the interviewer was saying something else. And then Ariana was just incredibly confused because she was like, am I hearing things wrong?
I don't know. They didn't clarify, but Cynthia was just like, I interpreted the question as something different. And so she was emotional. And then she was confused because she was like, did I hear that right? And then Ariana was like, I was just trying to be there. And Cynthia was like, and I didn't know where I was.
And then Ariana was like, and the only thing I could think of to comfort her was to stroke the finger. And I didn't know why I tapped it. Right.
When Cynthia was like, I like I also was just trying to be there in the follow up interview that she was doing.
I'm also like, where are we? Also, this follow up interview is like all very unserious.
Yeah.
I don't think that they're like really. I think you're reading this at face value.
No, they're not embarrassed. Everyone loves it. They think this is so funny.
I'd wear the shirt.
I'd wear the shirt too. A holding space shirt. Holding space shirt.
With just a finger.
I think for the target demographic of Wicked, which is like gay people, gay people are eating this up. Ariana said Evan Ross Katz like sent her a shirt immediately. So that means it's like real. The gay men's chorus. Like...
They're ridiculous though.
It's ridiculous. It's Adele Dazeem is what it is.
I love that so much.
The wickedly talented.
The wickedly talented. Adele Dazeem. Has he ever said anything about that? I don't know. John Travolta? John Travolta, yeah. Apparently he tried to introduce Idina Menzel. Yeah.
I do remember.
Every time someone involved in Wicked gets brought up, the funniest thing in the world happens. And I can't wait for the part two press tour.
um in reality tv world part two yeah next year we get to do this all again in the reality tv world lindsey hubbard gave birth finally what was she like 47 weeks pregnant oh my she was like she was doing everything she could to induce labor and i don't know what finally did the trick but congratulations she has given birth to her daughter jimma brit maybe she had to like call carl
shocker system get stressed out yeah maybe I don't know she was eating all of the like you know stuff everyone says to eat she was walking along the curb she's bouncing on her ball if your ex like right after you break up gets pregnant do you have any type of like could have been your dad type of energy feelings we should I mean gypsy Rose hello
We clearly saw that play out in the media where she had to get a paternity test.
Gemma Britt, they did the iconic handhold of the baby picture. No face, just handhold. No face, no case.
Cute. Paris and Nicole, the encore. We excited to watch? I didn't watch the first one. What?
I loved Simple Life. Simple Life was so good.
What, were you in college?
I'm part of the Lakers family. They're just giving away Hermes bracelets and Smeg products? Yes, they were. Did you get any? Yes, I did. Are you going to babysit Bronny? You know, so we went to the game after. We sat in a suite. I don't think I'll be going back. No? You know, LeBron was hurt, so he was not playing. Bronny was very comfortable on the bench. Yeah. Yeah.
I know, maybe I was... It's worth a watch. It's one of the funniest things in the entire world. It is something that will be quoted till the end of time.
Yeah.
So the official trailer for the encore has dropped. The synopsis is more than 20 years since OG reality icons Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie first took the world by storm. The lifelong friends reunite in a new special following the dynamic duo as they try to produce a once-in-a-lifetime operatic performance based on the self-coined phrase...
Sanasa.
Sanasa. They're just so unserious and I live for it.
Wait, Nick, can you say Sanasa? Sanasa. And then keep saying it.
Sanasa, Sanasa, Sanasa.
Is it a song? Well, their song is Sanasa. Sanasa, Sanasa, Sanasa.
Sanasa! Oh my gosh.
So that's exciting. It's like to reboot a simple life. It is the best reboot possible because they're self-producing an operatic. It's just so genius and so perfect. And it better win an Emmy. It better win an Emmy. It's basically like they're basically doing like, have you guys ever seen Waiting for Guffman?
Yeah, they're waiting for Guffman in A Simple Life. It's this mockumentary. Never heard of it.
Christopher Guest movies.
Oh, I saw Best in Show.
Regional theater production.
I'll watch that. Like, this is what we're going to be getting.
A Mighty Winn. Yes. Yes. Christopher Guest. All of them are great. He's married to Jamie Lee Curtis.
Yep. Spinal tap. Boring. Lisa Vanderpump, you suck. Lisa Vanderpump spoke out about the revamp of Vanderpump Rules.
She said, it wasn't just my decision. It's the network.
You don't think she has any sort of say in that?
Yeah. Right?
All right, well, somebody call Vicky and figure out what an executive producer does. Thank you.
She's going to be pissed we called her.
She's got a lot of shit going on right now.
She said, I think it was like we told the story. It's time to go back to the original premise of the show, which was so fascinating. I think it's time to go back to grassroots. I think Lisa is just ready to be back on TV full time. Yeah. So...
Yeah. I mean, she does make a good point of just being like, this one didn't want to film with this one. This one won't be in the same room as this one. And that's just not what that show was about. So, you know, it was 12 years, 11 seasons. She cannot minimize and she doesn't want to the importance of how great the cast was and how open they were.
Until they weren't. Until they weren't.
Yeah. I mean, she makes a fair point about how can you make a show about a group of friends when they're not friends anymore. And we've said it before.
Not to be on Vanderpump Rules.
Well, I think it's like they can't work. If that's actually the plot of the show, then them working at SUR doesn't compute anymore. It would have to be about someone's assistant.
Or they would just like have to keep with the old formula, which means like obviously you're getting onto this show with no money and you're being paid no money.
Yeah.
So it's like your life depends on you having your waiter job. But also it's like you being out there in the world trying to make something of yourself and having a camera. to aid in that, but not to be, like, the source of your fame.
He was wearing like his full on track suit.
Yes. Like, I want to see their East Hollywood shitty apartment with a burnt-down lot next to it.
Can't have the microwave going at the same time as the light on.
Mm-hmm.
Like... Like, will we ever get, like, Jax just stealing a pair of sunglasses on a vacation?
I don't know if we'll ever get a Jax Taylor again, nor should we, but we can be grateful for the time we've had with him. Nor should we. This is true. Yeah. That is true. This is a different era of reality TV, too, that this is happening in, so it'll be interesting to see if the characters that they find are as psychotic as certain members of the original Vanderpump. Probably.
It was like the only, they're all children.
Yeah. They're too self-aware. Y'all know how crazy the internet is?
Yeah.
You know how Lisa Barlow was like, I was sitting at the Cindy show right next to Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker. Where were you? Or whatever. Well, the fans did pull up photos.
Yeah. Like the only person I recognized was Anthony Davis and the rest of them, I'm like, who are these children? Gotta go to a Sparks game. I don't know who that is. The Los Angeles Sparks, the WNBA.
Photos from the fashion show where Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker are sitting next to each other and Lisa Barlow is nowhere to be found. Now, maybe she was in the bathroom when this photo was taken.
Lisa Barlow does not lie. We know that.
Yes, of course. Is there an empty seat in these photos?
You know, it's looking quite packed, I will say. It's looking full. There's also two people on either side of Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker.
Which their heads are turned, so I cannot tell exactly who they are. That is no disrespect to them.
Yeah, we need a photo. I'm sure there's so many photos from this fashion show.
Lisa did upload her own receipts. She did? She was in the front row. It just looked like she was in a front row somewhere else, maybe further back.
So she was front row with Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker, not next to Kim K and Sarah Jessica Parker. Okay. So she's also front row.
The statement was a little misleading, but she was also front row.
Okay. I mean, it makes sense. You know, she did not say sitting with or next to or alongside.
She said sat near, which technically. She said near? Near. I mean, if you're in the same row, that is kind of near.
Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, is that the equivalent? You're at the airport with Joshua Jackson.
You gotta support your ladies. Oh, yes. Yeah.
Yes, that's true. Yeah. I one time worked as a PA on an ASAP Rocky music video. So technically we hung out and are very close. Yeah. Yeah.
We spent a 16 hour day together.
While he played and you were in the... Yeah.
Wow.
Of course. We'll come back in May. We'll come back in May. Okay. Okay. Okay. But yeah, so we stayed for the first half and then we were like, Nick, where are you? We're getting the hell out of here.
I was with LeBron at the Lakers game. I hung out with Ellie the Elephant at the Macy's Day Parade because I saw her from about 60 feet in the air.
Yeah.
You were on Family Guy? Yeah. As himself? Hell yeah. As me. Hell yeah.
I don't have outfits for either, so I'll be wearing a trash bag. I know what shoes you'll be wearing. Yes, you do. Guys, mine. Get them scuff shoes.
Yes. You mean you're kind of giving this sweater is kind of giving Ted. D? No, the Seth MacFarlane movie. Oh, Ted. Got you. Oh, yeah, of course. A little teddy bear. There you go.
Yeah, I'll just wear this and be like, hey, I'm your movie. Yeah. I'm not in spirit for the holidays. I'm in spirit for your movies.
Yeah. Big fan. Big fan. I mean, Ted season two is streaming on Peacock. Season two? Yeah, they made two seasons of it. Interesting. Never seen it.
He's a dreamy man.
She met love languages and we got into his love life, which he doesn't talk about often. Yeah.
We did. Yeah. He's no longer together. His body parts are. Yeah.
Ripped him.
That was a real. He really went deep.
Full of puns over here.
Oh, cute. How was that? Jenna's little celebratory. It was cute. It was on a rooftop.
Timothee Chalamet, yes. Timothee Chalamet. No longer a complete unknown is his knowledge of football.
College football. College football. He's the only one who watched college football, not NFL? Not specified. That's good.
Justin's like, sorry, is this different things? I thought they were all one. Talk more about football now, Justin.
Well, Packers lost. Packers lost.
That's fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a sad day in our household. Yeah, so the Packers lost, so we both lost because we both chose the Packers with the Bills versus the Rams. The Rams won.
Yeah.
You did.
You guys, you guys. So you are, you're still ahead. You're 13 and 11.
You're really not that ahead, though. Eight and 13, like, you're really, like, it's nothing, you know? Well, yeah.
Get off your high horse, Nick. You're nothing.
We're joking, we're joking.
I imagine Haley Steinfeld isn't super, super jazzed that her now fiance lost.
I chatted with Tanner from Charity Season. Yes. Who was just seen with Julianne Hough on a date. Leaving the Sportsman's Lodge.
Do we think he's on her fantasy team? Do you think she has a fantasy team? No, I think she's living out.
Ooh. Do you think that Haley would give Josh an ultimatum?
Whoa! Maybe she did, and maybe that's why they got together.
We are.
That was the craziest thing I've ever seen. He will be coming in.
Y'all are on your own. I just want to know.
I'm honestly nervous. Yeah. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And you ate breakfast without me. Yeah. I didn't realize this is what I was signing up for with my trial wife. Huh?
I don't want to be your full-time wife after that.
Oh my God.
Ideal first date. His options were cryotherapy and hot air balloon.
Sense deprivation. Let's do a picnic.
And it's like, I feel rejected now. It's like, what is happening? If Nick felt rejected every time, he's like, what do we want to do for supper? Like pasta? And I'm like, no, I'm not feeling that. Okay, steak? I don't know if I'm feeling that either. And he's like, oh my God, I feel rejected. So you hate me. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, if you just don't want to eat, you should have just said that.
So I'm nervous to chat with him because I don't want to get yelled at.
But was it in the trailer for the second drop that he's like, I don't care if you love me. I just want a wife. Yes. Oh, my God.
Yes, but we did clear the air.
I really hope that Aria, if they are not together or if they are together, I hope she's watching this back and she does break up with him. Oh, yeah. Yes. She's great.
She's lovely.
So is Caleb. Caleb seems like such a just like kind person.
Which also was so crazy to hear Kayla be like, yeah, you know, at the guy's night out to be like, yeah, it was like such a, you know, friendship. And Scotty to be like, there's never been a straight man ever to just want a friendship with Art. I think he's just like aware of the situation.
Is this the Tanner that was also rumored to be dating Brittany Cartwright?
Also, his partner is alone. And so he's not going to want to do anything that complicates that situation.
I don't think Scotty, like, I think that's a shot to his ego if like a guy doesn't want his girl.
Scotty is insane.
He's absolutely insane. Yes. He is here. Oh, perfect. Yeah, let's bring him in.
Okay.
He's in the chat. He's been listening.
Oh, he is not. This is not a hot mic moment.
I'll say it with my chest.
Yeah, let's bring him in after me and Mary call him insane. Yeah, for sure. Let's bring him in. If you're starting a business you shouldn't just start from scratch. You need a platform that can support you behind the scenes while you focus on making what you love. Shopify is a global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business.
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Yeah. I mean, Julianne Hough is huge. Which one's Julianne Hough? Which one is Julianne Hough?
She's one of the ones. Footloose? Dancing with the Stars.
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I mean, I think you were very well liked throughout until this last episode.
And I think Julianne Hough gets in that with someone else with me, and I can't remember. But if I saw a picture of her.
I feel like you're at the choice. You spoke very highly of Zayna. And like, you know, I feel like that was a very like, oh my gosh. It was a touching moment. I feel like she really appreciated the way you spoke to her. I really loved a lot of y'all's interactions with each other.
Do you take responsibility for the conversation we've seen or is it kind of like there's so much more context, the edit kind of messed up these conversations? How do you perceive that?
Oh, I have a whole theory. It's all variants of Jodie Foster. So Jodie Foster is like the gay one. And then you have Helen Hunt, which is like the straight man's version of Jodie Foster. And then Holly Hunter, which is like the slay version.
Crazy week. It's crazy.
She's Elastigirl. She is in broadcast news. Very incredible in broadcast news. She has that voice. Holly Hunter. She has that voice.
That all does make a lot of sense. My only question for you following all of that is Zaina did have like an ITM interview where she said your energy did change. Do you want to speak to that at all?
Holly Hunter. What?
Yeah. They don't look anything like. Holly Hunter. But if you look at Holly Hunter, Helen Hunt, and Jodie Foster, they're all auditioning for the same roles in the movie.
We did. In fact, before you came on, we said that you did, in fact, look at you look insane.
On TV, on TV, on TV.
Oh, that I believe.
And it's just crazy that there were three of them. And now there's like no one to lead these movies anymore. Interesting.
They kind of give the same energy.
Oh, Julianne Hough. Okay. Sierra just showed me a picture of Julianne Hough.
I hope you remembered all those questions.
I do remember her now. I did ask him about her. Yeah? Yeah.
What did he say?
Yeah, the whole pass of it all.
He said that that was their first date.
They chose a very public venue.
That's what I said. I said, was this staged paparazzi? He was like, I don't know if it was staged. I believe he doesn't know. And he was like, we went to the dog park, and then we went to Sugarfish, and then we went back to her house. And I was like, oh my gosh, and now she's pregnant.
Kathy Hilton's Christmas party, which last year that we went was I was very pregnant and Miriam Crosby was like, you're having a boy. And Nick was like, you're close. And that was my one interaction with Mary. Who else did we bump into? That's where I met Paige Peck.
A home visit.
That's cute. And a home visit. Yeah. So he was like, you don't think Julianne Hough would date an idiot, do you? And I guess he was, maybe we call him an idiot, maybe, on the show.
JR was so comfortable on his high horse that it in that moment, it made me so angry for him to be like, not want to accept his apology and be like, yeah, we need to talk. It's like he's been with Sandy for two days, three days. And like Nick had been with her for years. And it was just it felt incredibly disrespectful. How did you get on the show? You hadn't answered that yet.
I don't like that word.
No. But it's just like the first time you see these people, then it's kind of like a poking back, you know, like a you called me this. He was like, I don't remember what you called me.
Can we talk about the guys night?
Two things happened. I mean, you kind of popped off on Caleb when he revealed to you that it's only a friendship between him and Aria. And it was like, What was the context behind that? You kind of, you know, said no straight man has ever wanted just a friendship from her. It was like you didn't really believe him. Or was it like a shot to your ego to have someone not... What was that?
But also, I said to him, boring is a compliment when you're on reality TV. It's kind of a backhanded compliment, but it is a compliment.
Yeah, for sure.
Because you just seem like a decent human.
You're a good person. Yeah, you might have character. Yeah, it's a good thing. You're not saying anyone has a high body count hair.
High body count hair. Yeah. That was insane. Yeah. That was really crazy. Should we get into some headlines?
Huh?
Oh, my God. That's where we're starting?
Yeah, it is. I feel like this is the start of all of them. What's to come. Yeah, I mean, this is a massive allegation.
We'll say that Caleb and Aria's relationship did seem the most...
surface level from a viewer standpoint it didn't feel like there was much physical attraction or like maybe we didn't they didn't show that to us but it did feel like obviously we have sandy and jr which is like off the charts and the you know on a completely different level than everyone else but even like you and zayna seem to like very much have this really good banter back and forth.
And Caleb and Aria seem a little like awkward and uncomfortable with each other. Maybe that friendship is there. I mean, again, I don't know. We're not there. But what is this whole story behind this like hall pass thing that JR brought up?
So do you think J.R. and Sandy slept together?
I mean, the way it's the way he answered. He was like, like, in the same bed. Yeah.
I think they did as well. I think they did.
You're not saying you disagree.
Yeah, you obviously aren't in the bedroom with them.
They didn't.
Okay. It took us a while, but we did get there.
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You know, listen, he definitely took accountability. I think his take on Caleb is wrong. And I think it's a he wants to believe that there was something there so bad. And I just don't.
I think Caleb's just doing his best, but I understand. I mean, like Scotty obviously feels a certain way about Caleb because Caleb has a connection with Aria and that's like hard to deal with. I do think I agree with you guys, but I understand why he feels that way.
I mean, I remember the lawyer that's going against Diddy. He filed 120 civil lawsuits. This was three months ago. I can't even imagine what's come out since then. So I'm like, yeah, we're slowly going to start chipping away at who is named in these lawsuits.
Yeah. It's like when Aria was talking to Mariah and I,
feel for mariah and nick so much it's like you know what if nick and i if i was like hey ultimatum like we're going you know and we go on this show and two days in nick's girl leaves like sorry i'm leaving with my partner like we're two days in like the experience is fucking over so sorry she's like the fact that these other partners are staying and being like well we signed up for this like i
Just shows me that they are into their other people a little bit more than they probably should be. But when Aria's having that conversation with Mariah and she's like, he's so funny, he's so kind, he's so this, he's so goofy. And I love that I can say that he's goofy. I'm like, girl, I don't give a fuck.
Like, that's my man, I know. When she was like commenting on like how they fight and like what hurts him, like as if she knows him so well, I was like, the way I would have jumped across that fucking table.
She's like, the way that you act in the relationship with him, like the way that you get upset... Huh? Why am I hearing this from you?
You've been with him for three days.
Exactly.
I'm sorry. I just can't. And like JR explaining his relationship with Sandy to Nick and poor Nick is just like. Poor Nick.
He's just pouring himself. He's just trying to make an art piece. And then Sandy's like, why is he doing art? Oh, my God. That's his career. He's an artist. He's the only creative here.
He said that. Sorry, isn't that what artists do when they're like, let me take my emotions to the canvas? He has nothing else to do.
So true.
So true. He was doing many things. I cannot. That. To watch him scream and cry into his bed. I was like, someone help this guy.
no yeah i have some horrible person inside me the way that he was having that full-on mental breakdown and then was like you know what fuck it i just need to talk to her like i'm putting myself in like this really you know like how i am with nick and it's like okay like nick's having this hard time and he's like you know what i just need to talk to natalie and i'm like sorry no like don't fucking disrespect me and my husband like this she's laughing she's laughing in the
And like, this is the part of the show that's really confusing for me because I'm like, are they supposed to be leaning in and getting lost in this relationship? Or is the whole point? Because even Sandy lied to Zayna being like, no, I'm just teaching him things so I can give him back to you.
No, you are not.
And I'm like, y'all were kissing at the pool in the bed. Like, this is not something that's going to help my relationship.
We became besties with Paige.
Y'all were kissing before he even chose you at the fucking choice.
No, no, no. That was before the choice. It was clear. That was before. And we're just conveniently leaving that out on our girl chat with Zaina. Sorry, she's not a girl's girl. And I'm going to go ahead and say it right now. Sandy is not a girl's girl. And this whole relationship with J.R. and Nick is just feels so icky. Yeah.
And I feel like I'm like, she's giving you the answer you're looking for. Because at the end of the day, like, yes, I understand it's an experiment. But if that were my partner, I would be like, OK, just like give me like five minutes. Like, let me go like talk. Yes. You know, at least ease his mind about what's happening or make a decision. But I'm like, she's like disrespecting my time.
Which Jay-Z does call out in his response statement.
And it's like, girl, that's not your boyfriend.
Yeah.
I also, even when like Nick called her and she has it on speakerphone in front of JR, like that disrespect right there is like, you couldn't be like.
It's so sad. Like her running away from outside when they're having lunch and she sees and she's like, oh, I can't. And she runs inside. Like, what are you doing? I cannot. Like, how are you just like that soulless person?
Like, to watch... Even if, like... Okay, we don't know what happened in their relationship prior. We do not know what their dynamic is.
They've been together for two and a half years.
Two and a half years is a long time. Who knows, like, the minutiae of, like, the arguments that they have and, like, what their problems are. But to watch somebody that you... Regardless of if you're in a relationship with them, somebody that you just have spent that much time with for two and a half years... You're saying I love you.
He responds to this lawyer and says, my lawyer received a blackmail attempt called a demand letter from a quote-unquote lawyer named Tony Busby.
To watch...
Yeah.
You live together.
You live together. You love this person to watch them be that miserable and just like be disgusted by it. Yeah. And be embarrassed by it versus like I this is somebody that is going through a really hard time. They're alone. Well, I am like, if not getting railed. Right. really giving fuck me eyes to. They're shutting that bedroom door quite a lot. We saw his ass. Correct?
Was that a blackened ass?
That's true. Did we see, did I misunderstand where there was like a, it looked like a black and white like security cam footage of him closing the door and it looked like he was naked.
I mean... I mean, he shut the door regardless. But we're shutting the door. With both of them on the other side of it. Yeah, it could have just been an edit thing. I don't know.
Caleb is sleeping on the couch. Caleb is sleeping on the couch.
It's like, come on.
I mean... But just to watch Nick, it's so mean.
Yeah, and he's whispering and being like, I'm so...
Like, are you kidding me? Yes, for sure. On camera. And the way that when she put that dress on and he's like, oh, you can't go out like that without me. Huh? She's like, it's just for the girls. Huh? It's been two days. Yeah. The you're trouble. We've talked about this before. You're trouble. They're fucking. They're fucking. You don't say that to someone that you're not fucking.
But he has no sympathy for him either. Like that's what's so crazy.
He wants to bring his weight to the restaurant.
Not at all. Yeah. It's so hard to watch.
I mean... That was wild.
Wild. I have a theory on...
hot people okay of like when you're that like JR and Sandy tell me about me I love it you're like give it to me and Natalie was like okay no there's like there's like you have like normal hot right like there are like hot people that look like normal human beings right and then you have like hot people that look like they were made in like a CW factory to like scientifically made scientifically made in Alaska all I really care about is which one am I well
Crystal.
You're like normal hot. It's much better to me. You're scientifically made.
You were made in a lab. Okay, thank you. I'm serious. You're one of a kind.
JR and Sandy are both made in a lab, and I just do not trust either of them because of that.
You know what I mean? Like that kind of hot. I hear you. But, you know, the personality makes them absolutely a two. Vile.
Yeah.
Like they are.
But that's what I mean. I feel like when you're that hot, you just expect to be treated in a certain way. Like J.R. completely expects people to not trust him because he's so hot and he wants that because he wants to be that hot that people don't trust him. And Sandy does, too. And they're leaning into it. They are leaning into it.
they're leaning in it so much so that I'm like I just wanted to smack him too when he was like going around talking he's like you know it's just I'm really confused right now like I was like this is not a choice for you this is an experiment so you end up with the same person you seem to be forgetting that but I'm like I don't know and I feel like I expect men to fight more physically than I do obviously women but I am like
I don't know how Nick kept it together because if I had some girl being like no no but like I'm saying in the guys in the guys night situation where I'm like having a guy who's with your girl he's a lover not a fighter but being like he got cucked a little bit she's making me into a better person than I was you all known each other for two days what do you mean and if this is you as a better person I'm shocked to know what you were like beforehand also Nick I don't think you really love Sandy the way you think you love Sandy I think you love
OK, so he says from a lawyer named Tony Busby, what he had calculated was the nature of these allegations and the public scrutiny would make me want to settle. No, sir. It had the opposite effect. It made me want to expose you for the fraud you are in a very public fashion. So, no, I will not give you one red penny.
how hot she is. The idea of Sandy. Yeah, like, keeps your stock up. But they have been together for two and a half years.
I feel like the reason he apologized is because Sandy was like, you need to fucking apologize to JR. You disrespected us. You brought me here. This is the experience that you made me do. You need to apologize or I will not be back.
But he did say that it's not all one sided, that she's texting him like I miss you and things like that.
I'm just wondering, though, if it's like the whole like what's being said to him in text messages. Obviously, it's speculation, but I'm like that. It's like, oh, babe, like this is just an experiment, like whatever. Like, don't take it as seriously. Whereas like what she's saying with J.R. and like whatnot. And then the actual like him showing up at the door.
Like, how did he get their apartment number?
I think he was just embarrassed and that's why he was apologizing to feel less embarrassed.
And like you could tell the second that Nick was like, there's been a handful of I misuse. JR was like,
The concept of the show is just so confusing.
You guys think this is crazy. If you would watch the queer ultimatum, was it crazier? My head would explode. Were they fucking? Yeah.
These allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one. Whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. Would you not agree? These alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case. This lawyer, who I have done a bit of research on, seems to have a pattern of these type of theatrics.
Not all of them were fucking, but some of them were fucking.
I mean, you'd have to watch the show. I don't remember.
Can we get into Salt Lake City? Because this episode had me gagged.
I... First...
High body count dress.
I will say Angie Kay owns salons, so she is an educated person in that department.
Yes, she is an educated person. It was a bit harsh. And Lisa being like, you do need a Kerastase treatment. Like, that had me absolutely fucking dead. I was screaming. I use it. It's good.
Yes.
Yes.
I don't know if Jessie specifically, but someone at Jessie's salon does her hair. Huh?
Should we text Jessie?
I think... Well, I've seen TikToks of them doing before and after of these extensions. And they, you know, I will say, like, love you, Jessie. Uh... Her salon's getting a little trolled on social media. Kind of being compared to the hair by Crispy.
It's possible. I don't think Angie was necessarily wrong with her assumptions. Angie called Brittany's hair pornish. I'm not in the business of slut shaming, but that- As a housewife, that seems an appropriate comment. Yeah, take your little bump up and walk away. The bump up that, you know, I feel like her coming after Maylee was like the like, whoa, that was a little too far.
That was awesome.
You know, that was a little too far. But, and Brittany, listen. Listen. Listen. Britney's the one who's like, I'm fucking, I'm seeing, I have a roster. I'm seeing several men. I'm doing, these were Britney's words.
Okay.
And she's using Britney words against her. And then wants to be like, I think the reason Angie's saying I'm fucking 10 men is because that's what she's doing in her marriage. Whoa.
Whoa.
Yeah. It's like, sorry, but like that was rumors and mass. You know, it's like you kind of asked for all that, Brittany, with like the way that she and it was like she tried to say that to Maylee and Bronwyn of like a like she felt powerful in that moment to be like, well, you know what? I think the only reason she's saying that about me is because that's what she's doing in her marriage.
Wasn't Kyle there?
I have no idea how you come to such a deplorable human, Mr. Busby, but I promise you I have seen your kind many times over. I'm more than prepared to deal with your type. I mourn yet another loss of innocence. Children should not have to endure such at their young age, it is unfair to try to understand inexplicable degrees of malice meant to destroy families and human spirit.
And they were both like, whoa.
I don't know if that's where we need to take it.
I will chug this. Yeah. Also, Bronwyn coming for the bedazzles on the nails and Lisa being like, that's a brick and tunnel, bridge and tunnel. Bridge and tunnel? Have you ever heard that expression? I haven't, but I'm gagged. But also... No, I died for it, though.
I was like, OK, what does it mean?
But I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Bronwyn. You're coming for bedazzles on nails when your eyes are covered in bedazzles.
She's in her villain era for sure.
How can you come for that?
I'm going to ride for Broadway no matter what.
Same. She's literally being like, oh my God. Bronwyn started all of this. Bedazzles on nails. Like, what the fuck? Meanwhile, can't even see her eyeballs because she has so many bedazzles on her eyes.
She was just starting shit.
I've never lied. Yeah. But I think the beauty of Lisa Barlow is the delusion of Lisa Barlow. Like she would not be Lisa if she didn't lie.
She was kind of cracking me up with the Whitney just like wouldn't let Whitney get a sentence. She's like, you're lying. You're lying. You're not telling a lie, Whitney. And I was like, for some reason, I'm living for this right now.
And then Heather being like,
you've said all of this stuff to me to my face she's like lisa i'll choose your side no matter what whitney you don't even have to waste your breath yeah it's fine but pornish is really what made me laugh meredith having security at her bat mitzvah security she is waiting for this moment even better than the security is angie going i'm a hundred pounds i weigh less than a hundred pounds
Like, okay, skinny legend. I'm sorry.
She's tiny.
She's short. She's very small. But it's like, okay, what a sleigh of a comment. Like, I weigh 100 pounds. You don't need to escort me out.
I don't know if that's what they're there for. I don't know if that's what they're there for.
They definitely weren't security. You don't think they're real security? No. Those are the caterers that she was like, security, grab them out.
big dudes those are pretty big big eaters yeah they looked like security but remember meredith's whole like palm springs thing when she wanted the restaurant to like escort andy out there's part of me that feels like she hired security solely just in case andy needed to get kicked out there's never been security at like any other event and she was like security oh my god this one out
Also, how fucked up of producers to allow Mary to be so vulnerable and talk about such that conversation with Robert Jr. And then to like let her wander around this building looking through.
Because, you know, you know, someone could have been like, that's the entrance. And then they called the producers being Mary's going through the back. She's going through the back. Yeah.
But like instead they're like, try to open up the window right in front of where they're reading the Torah. But also her conversation with Meredith.
I loved that. It was so real. For just a brief moment, my girls are back together. And it makes me very happy. I don't imagine it'll last long. The girlies are girling. But the girls are girling and it was very sweet. And congrats, Meredith. Sorry your event got kind of overshadowed by a high body count hair.
But it made for one of the I don't even know if I love it.
Maybe one of the greatest episodes of this episode. Brittany, you cannot be offended. You literally called Angie a slut 20 minutes prior.
Yeah.
Like, I'm sorry. You can't be like a victim in this moment.
Also, maybe the most iconic moments forever.
Oh, yeah. I mean, somebody cried. And I just love that she kept going around telling people, like, I was told I have slutty vibes. Yeah.
She did call her slutty Brittany.
Slutty Brittany. I have a slut vibes. Angie didn't go too far though. I feel like. She definitely went too far. You made a grown woman cry at a bat mitzvah. That's Angie Katsaneva.
Because she never did it prior to and it's important to her now. And she did say that with things that are going on in the world right now that have felt important to her. She wanted to reaffirm her spirituality.
um yeah 12 or 13 did she convert to be jewish or was she always jewish and then she said it's because she saw more of a culture versus religion or something she had some way of okay she's doing it now yeah she's into it she did enter on a sleigh she did enter on a sleigh she did she did enter on a sleigh and todd scolded bronwyn again so there was that it's not an episode without a scolding from todd heather was giving side eye
There was a really cute Instagram post from Bronwyn, though, of Todd looking really, really happy. I guess Whitney found one of the Starbucks mugs that Todd didn't have. It was like Times Square, and it's him with this mug, and he looks so overjoyed and happy. It was really cute.
For the man who has everything and can afford everything.
Yep. I love Todd. I do, too.
I think it is not my place to speak on Todd and Bronwyn's relationship dynamic. And I love Todd and the way he presents in this show is just not liking it.
My heart and support goes out to true victims in the world who have to watch how their life story is dressed in costume for profitability by this ambulance chaser in a cheap suit. You have made a terrible error in judgment thinking that all celebrities are the same. I'm not from your world. I'm a young man who made it out of the projects of Brooklyn. We don't play these types of games.
Yeah, exactly.
I just think it's a man who was not made for reality television.
It's awesome that he's there.
He's shocked seeing his wife behave in a way that she obviously wouldn't for like work events or anything else that they would or social events with their actual friends. But like at the same time, like Bronwyn has to keep up with women that are calling people hair slutty, pornish, whatever. Pornish. That I'm like, if she's not defending herself or if she's walking away.
And even then she tried to walk away. And Angie was like, don't walk away. That's. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, Angie's apology was not an apology at all. So I probably would have walked away, too, if that's what I got.
The way Bronwyn tried to be nice about being like, is this where the apology comes in? And then Angie matching her energy with like, I think I'm owed one, too. And I was like, nope. I would have been like, OK, we're good. We're good not being good.
We are. She worked for it.
Also, I feel like we're kind of seeing lack of Whitney. I was like, Whitney had the one bit about Lisa's lie. We haven't heard one thing about Alibaba since. She also never denied Alibaba. She's collecting evidence.
We know she's bringing Monica up soon. She contacts Monica. We know that.
She's got to fight for some air time because I was like, were you even in this episode? Lisa shut her down the one time she tried to start some shit.
Didn't Monica have something to say?
She did have something to say. After this episode, she posted on her story and said, all I'm going to say is this. If that were me and I were screaming the word dick over and over talking about someone has porn hair and slut shaming someone at a freaking religious event, y'all would have my damn head.
And miss, I don't like people that are nasty to women just standing there laughing her damn head off. Wild. I got to shut my Lisa.
Yeah. Lisa was cracking up throughout. Angie is a, she was. Yeah.
These are valid points.
These are facts. Yeah. They are.
I think the only reason that it's okay that Angie went the way she did is because Brittany did, uh,
Go after her husband.
Go after her relationship and husband 20 minutes beforehand in like the most out of pocket way. And like Britney is the one constantly being like, I have a roster. I'm seeing 10 men. I have three men. I'm fucking six men. It's like you're.
I also think Angie is just so funny that it worked. If she didn't say high body count hair, high body count dress, like if it wasn't an incredible read. I don't think that was Monica's point though. It wouldn't have landed.
Yeah.
Sorry, I'm going to quickly go back to Ultimatum. I posted on my story today. Also, OMG, the Ultimatum is crazy this season. Everyone must watch it right now. And I just got a DM from Sandy. OMG, don't judge me too hard, girl. There is so much tea behind it. After I literally just said she.
We have strict codes and honor. We protect children. You seem to exploit people for personal gain. Only your network of conspiracy theorists, fake physics will believe the idiotic claims you have levied against me at that. If not for the seriousness surrounding harm to kids would be laughable. I look forward to showing you just how different I am.
I just called her soulless.
I said I don't trust her because she's hot.
Right now, we don't have your side. We don't have the context. And right now, you aren't looking great. Just looking rough. Do I respond?
Hey, Sandy, don't listen to anything.
Yeah.
I said, oh girl, don't listen to this episode. She said, no, ha ha ha, fuck my life. I said, we are excited to interview you and get context in your side, but this batch did not paint you in the best light with the emoji that's like,
No, well, of course. She's a bitch. It's so bad. I'm so upset with all of it.
Well, I would be too, you know.
Yeah, I'm very curious on and I think the second batch will show what Sandy and Nick's relationship dynamic is because we really haven't gotten to see it.
Well, she said my ex was also doing so much to me that's not shown, which is why I seem so disconnected from him. I mean, it's definitely not shown. That is for sure. Whatever he was doing is not shown.
What could he have been doing?
Because all we know is that he was like texting his girlfriend Nick does present red flags. I will say Nick does present a lot of red flags. He's putting his frustrations into his piece, his art piece.
I know. And he's boxing.
And he's not taking it off on anyone else. He just wanted to chat with her.
there is a there is a world where nick is like very much just in a relationship with sandy and objectifying her and like does not treat her well because of a hundred percent and we will get her side when we interview maybe the next batch will show yep okay sorry that was just so sandy if i was really mean to you like don't take that personally i think you're a slay and i do think you look like megan fox
What is the... The lawyer responds and says regarding the Jay-Z case and his efforts to silence my clients, Mr. Carter previously denied being the one who sued me and my firm. He filed his frivolous case under a pseudonym.
Southern charm. I've become obsessed. My favorite show is back.
Out of all of them, now that we don't have Vanderpump Rules anymore, and even in the last couple seasons, weren't that great? Yeah, it's between Summer House and Southern Charm, but Southern Charm I've been watching since the beginning and I love.
Yep.
I mean, no mention of her whatsoever.
No.
Which is kind of funny. Who is into Whitney? What is the draw with Whitney? Money. Whitney's so scary. He's so scary.
Whitney is Miss Pat's son. Lisa Vanderpump's son. And he's the creator and producer of the show.
He was a rock star, right?
He still lives at home with his mom, but he dates 20-year-old models.
He built a bar in the last season at his mom's house so that they don't have to go out to the normal bar.
I don't understand the draw to Whitney, and I get he has money, but a lot of people have money. I mean, let's at least find someone who is a little bit like...
He's a producer, which means storyline, which means you can stay on another season.
Insured job. Yeah. So are you a bigger loser if you live at home with your mom or if you got projectiled from an ATV, told this dramatic story for the doctor to tell you you're fine, but you're walking around with a cane?
I understand why JT is not brought back for next season. I kind of like him.
It's enough. I didn't like him.
He did say he tweeted something a while ago that he didn't like he left the show halfway or he would never go back. Do you remember this?
He said that, but then he was obviously there for the promo day for photos and whatnot.
Well, when he says that he wants to have a conversation with Austin, he's like, I'm going to take the high road here and just be like, hey, I almost died. No, you didn't. I don't care if you're toxic. I'm good now. Life's too short to have beef. Like, you tried to fight this guy, drunk, intoxicated, on top of a bar stool.
Like, you made a complete idiot out of yourself, and Austin's the one that you want to be like?
Yeah. Who?
JT?
Well, did you say it's weird that there's a 50-year-old man on Southern Charm?
That's how it starts.
Yeah. Well, that's because of his injury. He's 38. He's 38. Well, it's like the insane thing. So I watched this episode of Southern Charm. I had never seen an episode before. I fell so madly in love with this show that I texted Ciara. And then I was like, I have to start from the beginning, don't I? And so I did.
No one told me it starts off with a disgraced 50 year old congressman who just hangs out with these kids and then gets a 21 year old woman pregnant in like the first four episodes.
After?
Oh, it's a wild ride. And that's why I love this show so much is because nobody is performing for the cameras. This is an original group of friends, people who actually know each other. And anytime they bring on new people, they're all really connected. It's not like, oh, somebody I went to college with 20 years ago that moved back. Let me give them an opportunity. It's like, no, you all know JT.
You went golfing with him.
It's like the girl I sexted with. Sierra, do you think Vanita is performing with JT?
Absolutely. I mean, I don't think she's performing. I think Vanita actually is one of the kind hardest characters on that show. I think JT is a piece of shit for leaning in because I just don't I don't buy him. I just think he got a bad rap the last season and now he's going to take this sweet girl and be like, no, maybe I kind of like you. I don't buy it.
Did we get any interaction with Craig and Molly? No, because they said they never met in person. They only sexted online. So this is like their first time being around each other in person.
Yeah.
And videos. Molly said videos.
Yeah, I don't know. Shep, you know, opened up about how he did not do any therapy at all, but he did go to Costa Rica and do ayahuasca.
A text that she did not receive because he was blocked. But, you know, I kind of, sorry to anyone who's done ayahuasca, I'm over it. I just go to therapy like a normal person and not like, why are we fixing our alcohol drug problem with like drugs? Sorry, that feels wrong.
What he fails to say in his recent statement is my firm sent his lawyer a demand letter on behalf of an alleged victim and that victim never demanded a penny from him. Instead, she only sought a confidential mediation. Since I sent the letter on her behalf, Mr. Carter has not only sued me, I thought I'd hear,
I don't know. I mean, ketamine therapy.
Well, ketamine is a drug.
But it works. Yeah, but sometimes the mushrooms.
It just feels like, I mean, I guess. Did it work with Jesse on the valley?
Ayahuasca in tandem with therapy.
Okay, well, Jesse's not a good example. Potential.
Potential. But I, you know, I don't know. And then Shep's like, yeah, so I, like, go to the gym and I, like, don't drink as much.
Bravo sober? Bravo sober.
Stand in the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not drinking as much. I'm just not drinking as much. I'm not getting, like, black out anymore. I'm just getting, you know, super fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't realize. Obviously, I hadn't watched this from the beginning. So, like, seeing the flashbacks of Craig was very jarring.
Yeah. I love Craig. Craig is somebody who you watch grow up on this show. And, like, I, like, love him now. But back in the day, he had a lot of growing and learning to do. He also has had quite the glow up.
He's a very handsome man. Congrats, Paige DeSorbo.
I mean, those flashbacks.
Thank you. And then congrats, Craig. Yes. Yes. You're right. But as of now, they're a very hot couple. I will say that.
Yeah, Craig was the one that everybody made fun of because he sewed. And they were like, what are you planning on doing with this? Built a pillow empire.
What?
He also didn't pass the bar and everybody made fun of him for that, for lying about it. Then he became a lawyer and opened up a practice. And now he's opening up a bar.
Can't wait to circle back on that.
He didn't think pandas were real for the longest. Oh, like conspiracy theory.
Like the moon landing. Yeah. Still, the jury's still out on that. Paige has a really good part in one of the shows, and she was just like, you mean to tell me I can't get Wi-Fi in parts of Charleston, but we streamed the moon landing to everybody's homes in their living rooms? How?
Stanley Kubrick is very talented, but is he that talented?
I don't know. Hmm. I don't know. We did get a preview of the next two months.
Yeah, what happens two months later? JT being accused of calling Pat the C word.
The C word.
Is insane.
He's gone. I believe it. Yeah. He's gone.
He definitely did. Nobody goes after Miss Pat.
She's got a bubblegum gun from the first episode I watched. Bubblegum pink gun.
Okay, but it matched. But in the episode I watched, she got a very rare pink alligator skin Birkin to match her gun.
There's a scene of her eating Burger King and a Rolls Royce. You've seen this before. I love her.
Oh, my gosh. She's like the Swan Princess Vanderpump. Swan Princess Lisa Vanderpump.
I don't totally understand her role on the show. She's Lisa Vanderpump on something.
No, I get it. I know. It just isn't, yeah.
Well, Austin has a new girlfriend, Audrey. Pooks monster. Little Pookie monster. Also Pooks, Pookapotamus.
Which, do we feel like we need... All that, I feel like Audrey works, you know? I hate the word pookie. I don't need to be let into your bedroom.
I don't know. I don't like it.
I think it's that viral TikTok couple. No, it was before that. But I'm like, I feel like pookie became like 10 times more relevant.
If you guys want to know one of my ex, it's the word pookie. I'm not loving it either.
And I'm not loving it mixed with animals. A pookiepotamus?
A hippopotamus is cute as it is. If somebody called me pookiepotamus... Sorry, I said that.
Yeah, the way that you said that. Miss Pookie Potty Miss. Miss Pookie Potty Miss. I would immediately break up with that. Yeah, that's kind of giving me an itch.
The word originates from 1900s in Germany as a term of endearment for children. And then it was used in the 1960s as Garfield's teddy bear was named Pookie. And then now we know it from TikTok trends. Okay.
Something I thought that was interesting was Craig's opinion on Shep's drinking and how he kind of said like your drinking affected my business, which I don't know. I find that to be really true because I feel like I've gotten rid of friends in the past just because I'm like your behavior is so destructive and there's no talking to you and it continues on.
Like, do you think that it's selfish or the right thing to do to distance yourself from somebody where you feel like their negative bad habits are bringing you down or like your business or affecting the way that you interact?
Well, how are they affecting his business, I guess?
I think he's saying it's, like, reputation-wise, he's showing up blacked out at BravoCon. He doesn't really... He does not have a great track record.
I think if it's, like, time after time after time after time after time, then it's, like, completely valid. I think, like, giving up on a friend... Yeah. Like, giving up on Shep, like, after his first blackout, you know? Like, that's... Okay. Like, that's not a friend.
I will say there's nine seasons of Shep's destructive behavior to back up Craig. Yeah.
a decade problem plus like yeah years of friendship but I'm like I also like I've had a friend that like when she would drink she would get like completely destructive not even be able to like maintain but somehow still be able to get angry and use like language to where it was like oh if I'm your friend why are you talking to me like this and then not take accountability for it the next day that finally I just got to a point where I was like I'm done and that was a five year friendship I mean it's valid yeah yeah
Yeah. I mean, I think at the end of the day, everybody has the right to protect their peace.
Right.
So I think it gets more complicated when you're on a show and share a contract together. There is that.
But do you think that if They didn't make the decision to stop talking to him that he would be so avid about cleaning up his act because now his two best friends are distancing themselves from him because they did say that at the reunion last season.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see. The season looks good. So does Ultimatum. Everything out right now is skipping.
Yeah, go catch up on Ultimatum if you have not watched it. It is toxic as fuck.
You know, I didn't see anything in the headlines.
I'm excited for all the people that you're going to see that maybe were there last year that you didn't recognize. Now you guys are just big Bravo people. It's like, oh, shit. Yeah. Wall to wall.
And, like, not to, like, bring up stuff from the past, but also, like, Foxy Brown came out saying that she dated Jay-Z when she was 15.
How old was BeyoncΓ© when they got together?
Unclear. I've been anti-Jay-Z since...
Solange punched him in that elevator oh my god I forgot about that as soon like since Lemonade I've been like fuck that man I completely forgot that she punched him in that elevator that was I think about it often and even the like Aaliyah stuff where she was like underage with R. Kelly and he was around and like you didn't do anything to stop that from happening so
Yeah. So it's like you can't just now start protecting children.
You know, I mean, by all means, I'm like, I'm sorry that this is happening in a sense for his kids because that sucks. But I'm like, if you did do this, you're going to have to address it.
I know. Do you think Teddy Mellingham's going to be there now that she's living with Kyle?
And there are people that have like messed with them and hung out with them that have separated themselves long before all of this, whether it's being screwed over by them, whatever. I'm like, and you make a choice every year to show up to the white party, to show up to the events and everything.
So I'm like, you can't tell me you're that close to show up to everything, but you don't know what's actually going on.
Speaking of crimes, Hawk Tua, Hayley Welch is criticized for meme coin launch after price crashes. I don't really understand a lot of the Bitcoin talk.
Yeah. I don't know if this is like a jail time type of thing. I don't know. But it seems... It's getting a lot... It seems bad.
Last year, she was interviewing on the red carpet.
It sounds like this whole situation also happened very quickly, like that the stock for her coin went up to like 500 million or something. The market cap.
But within minutes, people sold it. So it's like all of a sudden the value of that coin went down astronomically and people who invested money into it lost it. And then they're claiming that the three main people that got money was her and her team. And so they're trying to have them explain it. But the thing is that this whole situation is super unregulated.
So I'm like, I don't really know who's going to come after her for this.
It's because 80 to 90 percent was controlled by her team. Right. So they sold it right away. So they made the money and everybody else that bought into it lost money immediately.
Has Miss Haley spoken about any of this? She tried.
They went on like a live stream and tried to have a conversation. And then she kind of was just like, I need to go. Oh.
She was like, I want to do charity work. I want to work with animals. And now she's like...
I don't think that's her audience for her like podcast.
Yeah. Yeah.
what's like who thinks who at you know what's today's date december 2024 still yeah still is like hawk to a spit on that thing is the funniest thing i've ever heard in my life seems a very internet bro
So like you would see Baby Girl if you saw people like making out in the hallway after? Okay.
Is this like NC-17 rated? What is this Baby Girl rated?
It's an erotic thriller. I don't know. I feel like it's like people used to see horny movies all the time, and now horny movies are such a big deal. I don't know.
I've seen people talking about reviews, and they were like, it is very, very spicy. I don't know.
There's a new Sky for Air song in it, so that's exciting.
Singer. She did return. Sky Ferreira. Is that how you say her last name? Ferreira?
I think that was mostly because we didn't shower all day and like in sweatpants.
Yeah.
All right. Well, as we mentioned at the top of the show, Justin Baldoni is now suing the New York Times, and he filed a complaint with a lot of receipts. There were definitely a lot of text messaging threads and things like that. So, like last week, we have Emily Baker with us to break it all down. And... Just kind of tell us what's up. So let's bring on Emily.
Oh, hello. Long time no chat. Emily, how are you?
I know. Well, I wish it would, because honestly, we recorded last week. It was New Year's week. We took some time off, as many people did over the New Year's break. And then Justin filed his suit. So anyways, here we are. We wanted to bring you back, Emily. I've read all three complaints.
So I am curious, just first question, what is your first overall takeaway of Justin's lawsuit against the New York Times? Now, how do you see the story as a whole, having read all of the complaints?
Well, maybe you were helping me out. I felt like in that video, you're like, Nick looks a little rough. So we're going to put like a black and white.
You were in New Year's rot mode?
I was in rot mode.
I've read some things out there, both people who are pro-Justin or pro-Blake speculating that
justin his team really want to fight this in the court of public opinion and that filing in in la seems to give them a chance to do that because the implication was they'll never win this case against the new york times and they seemingly know that but to your point they really want to get their version of the story out and when they want to release these screenshots and text messages etc etc do you see it that way or how did you interpret that
I thought it was because I was.
Make sure I'm understanding you. Justin's original complaint that he filed against the New York Times in the state of California has since been changed?
she was romanticizing your rot oh wow that's how you know it's love when you romanticize the rot yeah well we have a wild episode lined up for y'all the very hilarious very talented very wonderful heather mcmahon is with us shortly also emily baker is returning shortly she's coming up next uh because as we now know update justin belladoni did file a suit against the new york times
Leslie Sloan, I believe, is Blake's publicist, if I'm getting that right. I saw a lot of things online, especially for people who seem to be supporting Justin. A lot of statements like his complaint has way more evidence. I saw that a lot. It's like, oh, he's got way more receipts speaking to the number of alleged, I guess, screenshots. How did you compare that?
the quote-unquote evidence in these complaints? Is that even an accurate description of them? Yeah, and so is it a matter of more versus quality? How did you see the evidence that was laid out in both complaints?
And what would that all that mean?
It did seem like a lot of the Justin stans who like last week felt, I don't know what they felt. Maybe they felt like, oh, we got it wrong or the tail between their legs. And it did feel like there was a lot of Justin stans loud and proud doing victory laps over the weekend. We want to break it down with Emily.
I mean, I guess anyone can sue anyone for anything, but you predicted last week, you accurately predicted that their initial claim wouldn't be against Blake. It would be an entity like the New York Times or the publicity firm. What made you suspect that? And what do you predict Justin's lawsuit against Blake would be if he eventually files that?
Wow. Fascinating stuff. Have you just, I mean, obviously you've broken this down very well from a lawyer standpoint. What opinions have you formed reading all these complaints in terms of how do you see what's going on?
Obviously, we have our opinions of the case, but I want to bring on Emily first and just kind of ask her some questions, get her thoughts. We want to be as objective as possible. Obviously, we have our opinions, but I want to hear from Emily. I'm not even sure what she has to say about it, what her opinions on the case are. So we'll break it all down, give our thoughts, give our feelings.
why are some of these messaging looking green and why does some of these look like it's iOS? So it's just the tool that they're using to extract these messages?
While reading Justin's complaint and then comparing it to Blake's complaint, there were certainly some moments in Justin's complaint that seemed to attempt to address some of the accusations in Blake's complaint.
The denial from the PR agency saying, well, this wasn't our story, that wasn't our story, seemed to want to address the accusation that they had a smear campaign, and then there was the whole pumping and things like that. But there also seemed to be a lot of other instances and accusations from the Blake complaint that weren't addressed in Justin's complaint.
The text messages that had the entire scope of work from Melissa Nathan and Jennifer Abel that was in Blake's complaint that like talked about their rates, talked about the strategy they wanted to implement, talked about the importance of not being discovered, talked about the importance of this all flying under the radar. How did you see it?
That will be up in just a few moments. Also, the Golden Globes happened last night. Our friend of show, Nikki Glaser, crushed it. I'm really proud of Nikki, now that she needs our Our pride.
Oh, she killed.
I imagine there's a lot more potential evidence than just text messages. I mean, even Justin's lawyer said, hey, we want to release all the messages between him and Blake. You know, there's also witnesses potentially involved here, especially when it comes to Blake's complaint. I assume it's also just not about the text messages.
too below the belt or like awkward or not funny or like it was just all like she won the room which is the most important part and nikki was able to just like be vaguely recognizable enough to everyone that they're like i kind of know that girl and then she was like i'm gonna get down to your level i'm not gonna be too mean i have actually watched these movies yeah um and i respect what you do but i am gonna make fun of you and make an incredible stanley tucci joke
I don't know.
Or is it possible that someone sent a text message assuming it might be seen? I only say that because like Nathan and Abel are text messaging back and forth saying, well, this story wasn't us. I can't believe they thought the story was us. We learned from, again, some of these other text messages that we saw, the importance of not being seen or not looking like They were sending messages.
There were also messages talking about we can't have people reading messages from Justin asking us to destroy someone. Is it entirely possible that they sent messages back and forth to each other denying an activity that they could have been guilty of so it looked like they were denying it? I mean, that's also possible.
Kind of like we talked about last week, too. It's just like we'll see who who has the most support.
Now that Justin's complaint is out there, the main narrative against Blake is really just all about she was difficult. She was hard to work with. She was doing this. And that really seems to land with a lot of people online. Why do you think that is?
She crushed it. I texted her yesterday before she went on and she wrote me back right away. I was I was like, yeah, man, I'm texting her like three hours before she takes the stage. And I told her she was going to kill it and tell her we want her back on the show. And she was like, I would love to. Spring, probably, she says.
Yeah, I mean, it really seems to be landing with a lot of people online. If you're believing Justin's side, a lot of the arguments are, you know, she took over the project. She, you know, just her ego is so big. And I'm thinking, well, if you believe her side, then that explains why she would have taken over. It would have explained why she brought her husband in.
It would explain why her husband is upset and defending her. Like, if you believe that these allegations are true, That explains why Blake did what she did. If Blake was difficult to work with, it doesn't explain his alleged behavior. And that seems to be a huge disconnect on my side of things.
Oh, booked and busy.
Booked and busy. Nikki Glaser, I don't know. Spring. Eventually we'll get her back.
There'll be other witnesses event if they proceed with this.
First time Golden Globe loser Nikki Glaser is booked and busy. Probably.
I guess we will all see how it plays out. I mean, I'm obviously with Natalie. For me, it's just like to believe just inside of the story. You have to assume that two people, Blake and Ryan, who generally have been fairly private people up until now, shortly after giving birth to her fourth kid.
She said probably spring. Probably not spring. But last time we texted, she said, yes, this summer. And that was last winter. So we're getting there.
I only say that because usually parents who have young children are promoting peace and tranquility and all that stuff.
But you have to assume around this time, instead of doing that and maintain their relatively private lives in the messiest possible way, they decided to hijack and take over a project and basically get a bunch of co-conspirators, be willing to make false accusations, get a bunch of people also to stand by those accusations, get Sony to also stand by those accusations.
Or that Justin Baldoni, the guy who made his whole platform about highlighting, promoting, you know, using your privilege and identify your privilege. So he used that privilege to highlight women as a co-founder of the company that owed the rights of this movie when he had the opportunity to hire the director of the movie, hired himself.
And then you just have to think that maybe the guy who claims to be the guy that he is isn't the guy that he is.
credit yeah this is all over an alleged producer credit like they were willing to put it all on the line yeah like so i'm following the money make these accusations i maybe i guess i don't know It just seems like, like, why?
Closer at some point. The season windows are getting smaller and smaller.
I think she's still one of our most returning guests on the show. She's been on the crew four times. It's been a while since she's gotten really, she's really blown up.
Also, to your point, it's kind of perception too. In Justin's complaint, they showed a screenshot of the alleged birthing video that in Blake's complaint described as very aggressive, very kind of maybe not for work content. And in this screen, it's just a screenshot, but it looks very artistic. It looks very well done. But there's clearly a, you know, there's Jamie Heath,
I assume maybe he has some swim trunks on, I don't know, but he appears naked in a small pool with his wife, who's also naked giving birth. And yeah, artistic maybe, but like it's a video. So you're assuming like, I don't know, maybe some people might be cool with that.
Other people might like not appreciate their male coworker showing them a video of their wife giving birth while they're all naked in a small pool. And what's interesting is like Justin's complaint is basically making the argument, this is all normal. which I find fascinating because it's like, well, I guess if you think this is normal, what else do you think is normal?
You know, and this whole argument seems to be whose versions of normal are more normal in a way.
So you're welcome, Nikki Glaser.
I don't know if we did it. Kidding. It's good to see her shine.
Well, who had their moment last night? Demi Moore. And I couldn't be happier for her. Her speech. I could have cried for her. She was like, I've been in this industry for 40 years to finally get recognition.
To convince her to do it nude? I can also confirm, because I saw the movie, it's not a water birth, so...
Also, the part about calling her trainer to ask about her weight and apparently because he has back problems. Is there an orthopedic doctor out there that says do not lift anyone who hasn't lost their baby weight out there? Or is it just like a... I mean, it just seems ridiculous. But again, that's just me.
If there's a scream about mental health, you get to call my therapist and check in with them? Like, huh?
And for the substance, you guys need to watch the substance.
Emily, thank you so much for breaking this down. I'm sure we'll ask for you to come back. We'll continue to follow the story as it continues to unfold. Wild, wild stuff.
Everybody should watch the substance. I don't know if I can handle it. I did watch, finally, Wicked. It's a powerful movie. It's good. Isn't it so good? For someone who could give a fuck about singing.
To me, questions that haven't been answered. The text messages between Nathan and Abel talking shit and verifying Justin's behavior, that hasn't been addressed. The scope of work that Nathan and Abel sent to... Well, Nathan sent it to Abel, who was working for Justin, the whole scope of work.
Like, why does a PR team cost $25,000 a month when any other PR team, I think a high rate is like 8 or 10 tops for your top publicist? So, like, even that seems a little fishy. Like... Why? You know, stuff like that. That's not answered. A lot of other questions that I'm still unsure about.
Well, because isn't Justin also filing a countersuit, which I would assume would be in New York? So I'm like, if there's still more lawsuits being filedβ Are we going to get a court date for each individual thing or are they all kind of contingent on each other?
Yeah.
It was very good.
That makes me so happy.
And the ending was very powerful. It was hard not to get choked up.
The war cry?
It was good.
Wild stuff. Emily, thank you so much. We appreciate it. As always, please let my audience know where they can find you.
Thank you very much. I'll be texting you and asking you because I also am interested.
We bought it.
I mean, it's like a $2 difference. My mom bought it. I was very happy.
There we go. As always, we appreciate you, Emily. Good to see you. All right. Bye bye.
Wow, well, we love Emily breaking it down. I mean, you guys know we're, you know, for the people out there who are just like, why don't you like, we obviously, we wanted to cover the Justin thing. It doesn't change my opinion about the story. Like I said, talking to Emily, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt, Blake, that is.
Yeah, I mean, also, you just have to, like, to believe his side, you have to assume that Blake and Ryan are willing to throw their entire careers away over this for, what, a producer credit? Because, like, their egos are... I mean, I guess that's possible. I mean, it's possible that's why they did what they did.
I anticipate River...
Sure, yeah. But it's just, like, why is it so hard to believe that this guy might have been a creep, you know? Like, he did... The man did a TED Talk. about the importance of men recognizing their privilege in order to elevate women. And then when he had a chance to hire a director for this movie, he chose himself. To me, there's just a huge disconnect.
People over the weekend were arguing, they were arguing about how mad a husband can get when defending his wife. It's like, huh? It's just like.
She was not holding space, but I was. It was good. You get it now? It's well done. You can't deny its talent.
Yeah, over the weekend, all the Justin stans were like, oh my God, I can't believe he would show up to the workplace like this. It's like, the guy was... If, again, if you just are willing to believe some of her accusations, then wouldn't you? You know, the whole argument, like, wouldn't you? Like, what would you have done if you were working with someone who was doing this?
Wouldn't, if you were married to someone who also, like, successfully made movies, wouldn't you lean on them? I don't, I mean...
I agree, but as I said, it's unfortunate, but the inherent misogyny and it's easier for men to hate women. It's easier for women to hate women. You see it all the time. Who leaves nasty comments on women's Instagram photos? Typically not men.
Well, we will continue to cover this story. We'll see how it goes. Maybe we'll all be totally wrong or we're not. But we'll continue to follow it. Up next, we have the hilarious Heather McMahon with us to talk all things Bravo and just her life. You're going to laugh your asses off. But first, let's catch you up on some of the latest headlines that happened while you were on break.
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Which I'm a little worried for our girl, but... She secured a second season. She has secured a second season.
oh it's not even real now i'm thinking that's a catchy tune i can't wait for that to come on did we miss it nick was like i think it's in part two and i was like there's a part two he's like they filmed it all at once i know i've never heard of this alleged tiktok song at all ever i just heard it from my wife but i'm like sounds catchy you guys are singing like you guys are singing i'm a witch and i'm
And I got to respect that.
It is giving. She's a star now.
She's using me as a storyline. He literally posted that.
It was like an unwarranted rant, if you will. I hate him.
But do you hate to love him or you just like hate him?
He's just like skeevy and slimy and he makes the hair on my back and my neck raise.
And it's definitely given like now that she is a big reality TV star, it's definitely giving like, now I'm going to give you what you want so that he can maintain control of the relationship. And I feel like it's going to be a lot of him like, Well, now I'm dating you and I'm doing this and this is what I need from you to still be in this relationship.
And like, it's going to be a constantly, you know, Jared's just like securing his position of power.
I was going to say it's securing status and finally seeing her at his level because while she was embarrassing herself, that's when he was releasing this. That is not my girlfriend. She's using me. And now everyone's like team Britney or at least find her hysterical. And now it's like introducing my beautiful girlfriend.
Yeah. He presents to me as a little mini John Jansen, housewife chaser, power hungry.
Yeah, he's a housewife chaser.
But what kind of substitution after you order requires you to get back on?
Jersey Mike's, which is so streamlined of the options that you can put on that sandwich.
I haven't been to a Jersey Mike's in a minute, so I'm not familiar with their ordering process.
She brought out the video, huh? Yeah, she's recording them. I always get a kick out of those people bring out the videos because in that moment, you know that person thinks they are so right.
She was like, I'm from Jersey. I know what the sandwich should be like. How dare you?
She probably said, I was on the Real Housewives of New Jersey.
There's no way a Jersey Mike's employee was that coy enough to be like, I don't know if this bitch has a TikTok. She would have been like, she has TikTok. Good point.
I would kill her. She threatens to sue. Which one's Jennifer?
Can you fill it up? Yeah. This is not Mike's way.
It's just, like, you are at a Jersey Mike's in the airport.
Oh, her?
Uh-huh. And if you keep adding, in any situation, if you just keep adding on sandwiches and changes, like, anyone would want to kill you.
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Even if they were right, you're at a Jersey Mike's.
You're at a Jersey Mike's in the airport on New Year's?
I have zero expectations of anyone working there. Like, I'm hoping I get a sandwich after our order. But if not, I went to Jersey Mike's and I ordered a sandwich.
I'm just saying if someone decides to not give a fuck that day... I'm not going to act surprised.
But that's why it's simplified. So you really can't do anything wrong. And the fact that she's making this complicated when it is truly, you're like, yeah, can I get a turkey in provolone Mike's way without onions? But that's what I'm saying.
They can do that. It's like this housewife is trying to take down someone who just got a job at Jersey Mike's and probably doesn't give a fuck. Yeah.
Munchkinland is a region in Oz.
Mike, you're going to sue Mike or this person who doesn't give a fuck.
I just think a real housewife from New Jersey having beef with Jersey Mike's is the funniest thing in the world.
If they like asked for no mayonnaise or like no extra fucking mayonnaise no you use the mayonnaise knife that you didn't wipe off and then you cut the bread that says no mayonnaise yes so you see that a little bit on the bread like what is going on like that would not annoy that is crazy you know has she said anything else since this tiktok came out not since now
Which has gone more viral. Her.
That's crazy.
There's been a couple of times where I've been really mad and I whipped out that phone instead of recording. I thought, what am I doing? I calmed down. I realized I was being ridiculous. I stopped recording. She posted it.
That's a lot of thinking. You're right.
I don't know if this is securing a storyline. I think this is just, this is who they are. Yeah. This is who they are.
What is going on with Lisa Barlow and our girl Rowan?
So basically, Lisa has created drama out of nowhere because there was this random Twitter account that's like a housewives, just like funny, weird, like just funny little Twitter account. And they were like tweeting up a storm, making fun of Lisa Barlow. And then Lisa responds to it and is like, hi, Bronwyn.
Oh, like, suggesting that it's Bronwyn.
Suggesting that this account is Bronwyn when it is, like, obviously not. I think it's called, like, it's, like, Bethany Frankel's something.
I saw Bronwyn reposted it yesterday being like, because I guess her father's sick in the hospital, so she's been, like, taking care of her dad, and she's like, the fact that even off camera, that you will go this far to make, like, I'm focusing on real life things right now. So for you to involve me into some shit that I'm not involved with is really fucked up.
You just watched the long form version.
And this Twitter account is like, this is the second time Lisa Barlow has thought I was Bronwyn.
It could be Lin-Manuel.
Should we assume that Lisa should know that Bronwyn's going through it personally?
I mean, she posts about it on her story and talks about it openly. So I'm like, it's very evident what Bronwyn's dealing with right now, but I'm also kind of like, the idea that Lisa thinks it's gross that someone would accuse her of going to a blogger to talk about Whitney or whatever, but I'm like, you're thinking that Bronwyn's going to sit there and make a fake account to troll you?
I watched the extended. Maybe it was a deleted scene.
Monica, maybe, yes, but Bronwyn?
I don't think Lisa, for a second, actually thinks it's Bronwyn. I think Lisa's just
She responded to the tweet. She responded to the tweet with, hi, Bronwyn. Yeah, I get it.
I get she made the accusation. I get she's being messy. I think Lisa knows what she's doing. I don't think Lisa actually thinks.
Lisa Barlow's Twitter is one of my favorite things in the world. It is psychotic. It's so funny.
I mean, she's tweeting every Wednesday night. Every day. Hardcore.
And Ariana Grande was very good.
She is. Yeah.
And it always seems like she's absolutely livid at somebody.
She is. Always.
She was very talented. Absolutely. We kind of missed her new boyfriend's ex-wife over the holidays wrote a very... Yeah. Expressive piece.
But she's also putting the Kerastase on her hair wrong.
I shall check.
That's what I love about Brittany. I think you can get Brittany to feel confident about just about anything in the moment.
On December 18th, Lisa tweeted, fucking liars need to shut their fucking mouth.
Yeah, just like, who are they?
That is not in reference to anything, but it makes me laugh. Okay, let's look at Lisa's replies. Oh, OK. So it was this is the Bronwyn Lisa thing. It's this account called Bethany's Waterbed. So it is obviously like a joke housewives account. It was just like reposting like a New York mag interview with Bronwyn. And it says Lisa Barlow wishes. And then Lisa said, hi, Bronwyn.
So that's the that's the drama there.
But evidently like Bronwyn had a full clap back. Didn't Bronwyn release text messages?
I think she just like screenshotted it on her account. On her stories. On her story and have been like. Screenshotted what? The reply.
Which she just read. She screenshotted the tweet exchange and then was like, the fact that you think this is me is crazy. And like, I'm going through this with my dad. How dare you? Essentially.
Kind of flew under the radar.
What Lisa replied back with.
Ariana's talent kind of outshined it.
I mean, that's kind of fucked up. I didn't realize that Bro and his family is going through these health problems. Lisa should know, shouldn't she?
Sounds like the castmates know. Yeah, I thought it was her dad, but it's just her mom. But yeah, her mom's in and out of the ICU.
It sounds like they're both going through it.
To get buried by other.
Also, scrolling through this Twitter account, 100% not Bronwyn. This is just a random, this is like someone like me running a Twitter account.
Whoever they are, they're very excited.
Oh, they've got Lisa.
This is like incredible. If somebody ever accused me of being a burner account for a housewife, I would I would lose my money.
Other headlines.
Other celebrity headlines.
Maybe it's Bethany Frankel.
Maybe it is Bethany Frankl.
It is psychotic enough. She's in TJ Maxx. She doesn't have time. Multiple burner accounts.
She's figuring out what's going on with those drones.
That situation to me just seems like a very particular relationship that like nobody actually knows about. And everyone's just assuming a lot of things. And people love to assume a lot of things about Ariana Grande and have for a very, very long time.
It is ugly. Wait, Walmart's selling a fake Birkin?
Like people who make the Birkin or like the fans?
I definitely now want one of these $80 Birkin bags.
I think you just love that she's so good at singing.
It's definitely giving Paige broke up with him for sure.
Yes.
I hope he's okay.
It is nice to see, like, two reality stars who break up. Like, just handle it like adults and maturely and obviously still have, like, love and respect for each other.
It's come with great regret and sadness that we've chosen to end our relationship. But there is still an immense amount of love and respect between the two of us. Mm-hmm.
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These are very difficult times, but please respect our privacy. Please respect our privacy. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, they did not.
She kind of briefly said, it's over.
Yeah, I think she's- She's having fun with it.
She's leaning in.
I mean, I don't know. That's just what fans do. I mean, fans are always speculating and coming up with narratives.
It's sad, though. I really liked them as a couple.
I only met Craig once at an event, very briefly. Loved his energy, all brief as it was. We got on an O-page. We love her. So it's a bummer to see two people you like, especially on reality TV. It's usually like, I really like them, but...
Well, it's going to be weird, too, because it's like the crossover between them on Summer House and Southern Charm.
Well, he's very much on Summer House this coming season.
I know. I'm just saying he's in the preview. So that's where I'm like, even though this is done, by the time Southern Charm is over, we're still going to be going into Summer House.
They kept him in the trailer and he's got all the issues with Kyle and the drink companies, the seltzer companies.
The Paige page?
Paige's pillow?
Yeah, which is like, why not? What's his ex's name? Like her story was.
That's a reactive decision.
Wait, the page no longer exists or page no longer?
That's giving hurt feelings.
Yeah. Well, you don't know if he did it.
I absolutely am being a fan.
I said hurt feelings. And he's a human being. Is he not allowed to be sad about this breakup?
You are allowed to delete Paige's page on the page. It is definitely not giving... Especially if the page is causing you harm because of Paige.
If it was sold out and he would say, hey, we're sold out, you know, it would just be sold out. It's so popular. More in stock later. Don't worry. We're still cool. Not going to eliminate these very wonderful pillows. My love doesn't exist anymore, but your love for the page pillow still can. He's not doing that. No, he's just like immediately take it off the site right now.
It's Ethan Slater and Dr. Lily J. Lily J's story was. It was. It was tough.
No one can have a page pillow ever again.
He once talked to me about the Brewers once. the Brewers the who John Hamm John Hamm is a big reality TV fan and I love that he's like oh you're from Milwaukee how about those Brewers I was like yeah how about those cocktails he's from St.
It was a tough read. You read it? I read some of it.
Well, we are very sad for Craig and Paige. I am looking forward to when Paige starts dating again. Or Craig. Because that's when, if there is drama to unfold, drama won't.
I do not wish them drama.
I can't wait for the drama, but I don't wish them any drama.
I do not wish anyone unnecessary drama or hurt feelings. But if and when they do start dating, I do feel like if it were to slightly get messy, it would be then.
What were some of the key takeaways?
Do you need to fight Jon Snow?
I mean, I haven't met Dorit in person yet, so I don't really know. Well, he's saying on the show. Yeah. I mean, I find her to be entertaining.
It's a sad story.
I think she's doing it for me. Yeah. But so does he, so. Yeah.
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I'm always horny.
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Thank you. We're just jumping right into it. Y'all, also, I apologize. I'm not crying. I'm having some sort of allergic reaction to the dry California air. So my eyes have just been watering. So I'm not emotionally distressed. But just know, I'm like, if I do this all day, I don't know what the fuck's happening. There's a tissue beside you. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Actually, let me do this.
The joke of it, unfortunately, is about musical theater kids in the sense of like they went off for two years to go film this movie. And it's like, of course, they fell in love. Of course, you fall in love with the first co-star that comes your way. Like, I don't know. And I don't know how true it is, but it's just very true to like high school and like musical theater communities.
We definitely like to like.
We've been known to get people to cry.
You know, and I haven't had an emotional breakdown since, like, last week, so maybe today's the day. You know, I'm a little tired, so I'm overdue for a full manic breakdown.
What did you cry about last week?
Um, well, around the holidays it's tough because my dad died at Christmas. Thank you so much for bringing that up. And... No, it's fine. You think it's going to get easier every year and it just, it's getting worse with time. I think grief gets worse with time because then you realize you're that much further away from the time that you talked to that person. It's bad.
So I hate Christmas because my dad died on the 23rd and I did tell him when he was in the hospital dying, I'm really coming in hot. I said, if you die on fucking Christmas day, I'll never forgive you. So he died on the 23rd, which is like, you know, he helped me out. You really made that moment about you. I really made that moment about me. And so, yeah, the holidays, I hate, I hate the holidays.
I always say, give yourself grace. Like, you know, when you're going through grief and this happened, listen, my dad died nine years ago. So I should be like, I'm doing okay. It's just that one week. That's weird. I always say, cry, feel your feelings and then go get like a hot dog or a cookie or a glass of wine. And then just like, you know,
carb load after that okay yeah get your blood sugar stable you know have a little cocktail and then you're gonna be fine feel the feelings weep and then be done with it and then eat something and then eat something and then shut the fuck up about it where where were you for the holidays where do you go i was at home i was in atlanta um i usually go away that's a thing so we usually are like somewhere warm where we get the fuck out of the house and i was sitting at home alone with my own thoughts and that's why i went a little you know crazy yeah
It's fine. We're good. We're good guys. I'm running on like four hours of sleep. It's been wild. It's award season. So we're doing the thing. You were at the Golden Globes. I was at the Golden Globes. Yeah. I'll tell you everything.
All the parties.
Yeah. I went to the, I went to a couple of parties. Yeah, it was great. But it's it's a long day because I'm on I'm on the carpet. I started doing a bunch of hosting stuff with E. So I'm on the carpet at like two. I'm in hair and makeup at 9 a.m. I've interviewed people. I mean, you may only see like 10 interviews, but I've interviewed like 50 people. So it's it's really crazy.
So you're on for like three hours live and then you get off, you go change and then you get ready to go schmooze and work the rooms at the parties.
Well, I got to talk to Ariana Grande and that was wild. And she's so petite and so tiny and almost like translucent, iridescent. Like she's so beautiful.
I did. I showed her my ankles. We literally on camera, I looked like Miss Piggy and she looked like Kermit because she's so like tiny. And it was just, it brought me a lot of joy. Like a lot of my friends are like splicing it together and doing a side by side. And I was like, this is my dream. Who else was great? Cooper Koch was great. Yeah.
It's interesting because I love talking to TV stars because they get it. They know how to work a room. The movie stars are a little serious. You know, they are.
They're there for the art.
They're there for the art. The TV stars are just like, it's a film. It's a film. It's a journey. But everybody on TV is just like ready to get fucked up and have a good time.
And they kind of they kind of followed the recipe without with Ariana and Ethan. But if everyone it is what it is, it's not my business.
Everything. And I will say, this is the hardest job. I started doing it because they asked me, I was like, oh, this will be fun. I'll just get to like roast people. But now I'm kind of in a position where they actually want me to be almost a journalist. So that's been a little bit of a wild ride. I have to study. I have note cards. It's a whole week of prep. Yeah. So it's the hardest gig I do.
I can get up in front of an audience of strangers and do stand up off the rip for 90 minutes. And that's I don't think twice about that. Having to like have thoughtful questions for people. And it's hard because, you know, podcasting, you get to sit and talk to somebody and like warm it up. You have 90 seconds with these people and they're all like nominated for Oscars.
You really got to get in and get out.
Yeah.
Yeah. Try to get a laugh.
And they're, but also like their publicists are like, don't mention this, say this, you know, make sure you hit that. Do you know the name of their, you know, six upcoming projects? You're like, I don't need, be funny, but not memorable. Yeah. Be funny, not memorable. Don't say anything. So I'm trying to warm it up so where I can really be myself. Cause right now I feel a little robotic.
Like I'm a journalist and I did too many drugs in college to, you know, have to be robotic. Yeah, to be robotic and also to have any sort of retention. I can't remember that. Did you see Zendaya? I saw her on the carpet. Didn't get to chat with her, but she was floating. Nicole Kidman, stunning.
Did you hear that Zendaya is engaged?
You guys are so
I saw the ring, yes.
You did see the ring? I saw the ring, yes. Did you suspect an engagement when you saw the ring?
Yeah, absolutely.
Was there talk on the floors?
Well, she also too is one of those who like floats through and she was in that gorgeous big gown. And then when I went back and saw the photos and we saw the ring, I was like, oh yeah, she got booed up.
My favorite thing about Zendaya is that she was on Dancing with the Stars before. She really blew up. And I like to think there's still a chance for me.
Yes. I think you should do it.
No, I did.
He did. Oh, you did it. I'm sorry. It's fine.
It wasn't very memorable. Not very good. What season were you on? Like 2017.
Okay. That was a while ago.
She was on long ago as well.
A lot of people, it's the end of their journey, Dancing with the Stars. But Zendaya is hope for all of us that maybe you can- That it's the beginning. It's the beginning.
Didn't she say that that really stressed her out? I think I heard a quote where she was like, this was a part of my life that was really stressful. And she took it a little too seriously.
Maybe. I know I did.
I would love to do Dancing with the Stars. One, because I think I would crush. Two, I would like to be paired with a very petite ballroom male. You know what I mean? So I would really like to have that moment. I think we can make this happen. Yeah, I think so too. But then it's also like a lot of work. I mean, how many weeks is it? How many weeks did you make it?
I don't remember. You're like four days.
I think I was like six.
I was eliminated with Nancy Kerrigan. Are you fucking kidding me? I was at her level. I just want to point that out.
Wow. I am wildly impressed. That's pretty good.
Yeah. It was like, I don't know, it was like six weeks or something. It was a ton of fun. You absolutely should do it. Very nerve wracking. Honestly, the dancing in front of the live studio audience, that's what freaks the shit out of you. At least for me, I'm not a professional performer. That kind of psyched me out. Maybe you being a comedian and selling out large theaters will help you.
I struggled with that. It's not the same as shaking your ass at a wedding. Right. It's very, like, one, two, three, and so, like, it's, like, steps.
It's choreo-driven.
And it's very, that was nerve-wracking. I had a hard time looking like I was having fun while I was dancing.
Because there was a lot of, like, oh, my God, oh, my God, you know, like, a lot of that. Yeah.
Well, I just really thrive in glitter and sequins and feathers and any sort of tight lycra. Oh, my God, every week? So I think once I would put on the show suit, I would just come alive.
And the designing team there, phenomenal, fabulous. Thank God, as long as it's custom.
Because I'll tell you what, being bigger than a size four in this business, it's tough, you know? I mean, trying to even get dressed for these award shows.
I keep wearing this brand, Tadashi. This is an amazing designer. And Octavia Spencer wore Tadashi when she won her Oscars. And they're like not expensive dresses, but it's beautifully made. And it's for great, it's for all body types. But it is wild, y'all. Being in Hollywood, actually, but it did not photograph well. It actually had a cool corset and it did not photograph.
I look nine months pregnant there, but it was actually really beautiful in person. You look insane. Thank you.
That looks great.
But I'll tell you a little Hollywood secret and I'm here to, it sounds like I'm really coming in with negative energy. I'm not, but the amount of designers that say that they make sizes for everybody when you call to get dressed, they do not. So I want you to know they're All fucking liars. Yeah, they're all liars.
People are mean to Ariana Grande for no reason and assume a lot of things about her. And I think if you can critique her for anything, it might just be for having kind of bad tasting guys. But I don't think she's this like evil homewrecker that people make her out to be. And I think it's been going on her entire career.
When they say everyone, they mean their three friends that look the same as them.
Exactly.
Yeah.
They put it on the runway and then they're like, yeah, we don't make sample sizes or we don't ship those sizes. So it's kind of bullshit. So shout out to Tadashi.
I met her backstage at this thing with Reese Witherspoon, and she has a house in Mississippi, and I have a place in Mississippi, and we were chit-chatting about it, and I was literally like, I'll see you in Mississippi. She's like, we might have to wait to go to Mississippi for a minute because, you know, tensions are high. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I have one on Netflix and then one on Hulu. It's all, it's confusing. It's confusing. You know what? I was at the Netflix party last night and I was like, guys, my latest special came out on Hulu.
Okay, great. Then you watched the old one, the first one.
Hulu.
Was I? A Hulu. It was Hulu. Was I in a denim dress or a black one?
A denim. Denim. Denim. Denim.
Yeah. Bopping around. Yeah. Flipping my hair, talking about BJs. Flipping your hair, talking about BJs. So that first one on Netflix, I talked about my dead dad. So I'm glad you didn't watch that one. I'm glad you watched the Hulu one. We probably would have gotten a little different.
I'd be like, don't ask her about Christmas.
We had a talk afterwards.
Yeah. How did you feel about that?
Did I kind of expose it? She was like, oh my God, that's not true.
So we did have to have a talk. Oh, I thought you meant that.
No, we do not. It is a, it is a means to get what we need and want. And girls who say like, I love Shaq and Dick. No, you don't. I mean, I do it because obviously I love my husband and you know, it's, it's a, I can get in and out of there, but I don't, when I'm down there, I'm not thinking about that dog. I am checking things off the list.
Did I take my SSRIs this morning?
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. I don't feel like men are thinking about what's down there.
All right, so yeah. What are you thinking about?
I'm not like, wow, what a really great vagina.
Okay.
When I'm down there.
Oh, okay. We've never insulted your dicks.
I've never been like, this dick fucking sucks.
This ugly ass dick.
It's a great vagina. It's great. You had a great dinner the other night and my vagina is great.
But there is a bit of it.
We do not like how you approach that. All right. Wow. Wow.
A great vagina. Cool. It birthed your fucking child. So like, actually, you're good to know.
Your pussy is perfect. Okay. Thank you.
No, actually, that's what I'm thinking. Still got it. Yeah. You know, like, I'm like, wow, how would she do this?
But do you, when you're down there, you're not like thinking about filing your taxes or what's going on in that brain? Listen, you don't even have to answer it. We already know there's not a lot going on in most men's brains. There's not a lot. It's more like, I hope you like it. That's what I was going to say.
Yeah. But then it's also a narrative that's been put on her and she obviously doesn't really want to talk about it.
I feel like they're thinking about themselves and their performance. They're like, okay, I think that, oh, is that a move?
I'm the fucking man. Is this over with? Yeah. But here's the thing. We all know we're good at what we do. And I have to, confession, I got my neck done for Thanksgiving. So that's why if I seem a little stiff, I had a little neck procedure. And so I'm really off the table. Like, I can't.
give a blow job for like another month and a half was that doctor's orders doctor's orders well i couldn't have sex for like four weeks and i was i'm still very swollen and i came down the stairs when i got the clear and i'm a very horny person i was like it was the first day post-surgery they like put on makeup and like tried to feel like myself i was like honey like i got cleared and all of a sudden my husband just started reorganizing the kitchen and i was like i'm a monster he was
He didn't have the heart. And I looked at the mirror later. I was like, my face was so swollen. And I was like, oh, God, no man ever turns down sex.
You're cleared. Yeah, I was like, I'm cleared.
I was like, you can put a pillow over my head. I don't care. Just just lay me down. Raw dog me. But yeah, I can't give blowjobs for a while because the neck is a little too tight.
It's a great movie.
No, he never came to any of the consults. But then the night before surgery, and they didn't do anything to my face. They just, like, tightened a little muscle, right? He literally was like, so, like, do I get a rendering of what you're going to look like? I was like, we're not building a pool house, Jeff, okay? They're just going to tighten a muscle.
It's a great movie.
This is what happens when you're in this biz and you get closer to 40. Like, fuck you. He was really panicked the next day. But then it was fine.
It's a great movie.
Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. But in like four more months, forget it. This jaw is about to be snatched. Okay.
And I think she slays. And they won Best Blockbuster new category at the Globes. So congrats.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't need it. You're perfect. Don't do anything. You're perfect. Seriously.
There's scum on the bottom of your shoe. But see, no, you're good. You don't need it. It was always a thing. I inherited my neck from my dad and he had a nice big beard to cover it. And just finally one day I read enough comments on Reddit and I go, okay, I'm calling someone.
Are you reading your Reddit comments?
No, but I was bullied once on Reddit by a group of women because I went through that phase that a lot of ladies did where we got intense eyelash extensions. And I looked like a bird that could take flight. And I'm so glad they bullied me. I needed to be bullied. But it was also, that's what everyone was doing at the time.
I had eyelash blindness. That is the one blindness I think I really had.
Okay, well. But they'll fall off at like midnight, okay?
They'll be on your nightstand.
Yeah, they'll be on my nightstand later. It's fine. Is that real? Yeah, thank you so much. Because I'm going natural, okay? And here's the thing. I've never done anything. I was only like a baby Botox girl. But this is what everyone's doing now. You get the little tweaks so that you just look fresh. No one's doing the fillers and all that bullshit. I've never had my lips done, any of that.
Congrats to Wicked, The Substance, and Conclave.
I'm just like, just tighten it up. You know, we're just tightening everything up. Oh. Yeah.
If you want to do a fat transfer too, I'll just suck something out of me. I got a thick back. I'll just suck it out of there and we'll just drop it off at your house. Yeah.
I'll put it in a Tupperware. Country crock. Country crock. Easy. And we'll just, yeah, I got to get rid of it and I'd rather donate it. You know, it's like, I don't, I can't do locks for love because I have a hair extensions, but I would love to donate my fat for your new boobs.
Absolutely not.
I take too many gummies at night and get on the internet and everyone's like, I woke up. I wasn't dead yet. They were cutting out my kidney. So I'm like, I can't. You're like, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
I already give enough money to charities. They don't also need my vital organs, you know?
Ah, Gypsy Rose. Congratulations, Gypsy. Congratulations. And Ken sent us a message shortly after Gypsy gave birth and gave Nali and I a little inside tea. We knew about it before y'all did. So we shared that moment with them and we feel very lucky to do so. But very, very happy congratulations to Gypsy and Ken.
Absolutely.
Okay. Funny story. I saw this thing recently, again, when I was on Gummies at Night. They have this new like natural box where you get, you're put in like a beautiful wooden box and you're covered in linen. And then they like turn you into a cherry tree. Like that's what I would like. I just think that's nice. A cherry tree? A cherry tree or whatever. I don't know.
I'm not George Washington, but you know what I mean. I don't know, a ficus, a nice palm, like whatever. A bit of foliage. I would just like to be back in a garden. But we had to cremate my dad because he was a really big dude. And he had originally bought his like burial plot and his casket because, you know, he's a planner and didn't even know he was sick. Died very quickly of cancer.
But then when we went to like plan his funeral, they were like, yeah, your dad's too fat for the casket. Like he needs like a destination XL, like big and plus casket.
No, he was already dead. He was dead.
And you were like, just set him on fire.
He was already dead. So I did tell him as I was identifying the body. I was like, Dad, I hate to tell you. Yes, I did tell him. Actually, fair enough question. Okay, okay. So I was like, what are our reasons? I'm allowed to laugh. Yeah, you're allowed to laugh. You're absolutely allowed to laugh. I made a whole special out of this. So just laugh. Release it. Feel the feelings.
Yeah, so I did have to tell him. Okay. I do look back and think it was kind of fucked up. So my dad died in Houston at MD Anderson, which is a cancer hospital. We had to fly him back to Atlanta. And then, oh my God, this is so fucked up. Why am I sharing this? So then they were like, you have to identify the body. And so-
he's in the casket they put him in like a master's golf sweater because my dad goes every year i'm like how did y'all get this sweater someone broke into our home yeah it was just like it's nice cashmere and i was like actually that's a really like you don't understand no we can we have that yeah can we have that back because i go to the masters every year and like that swag is fucking expensive but okay dad and then i had to go in there and the lady was like i was standing in like the back of the room and she was like you can get closer i was like
I don't want to get fucking closer. He's been cold for four days. Like, it's him. Is it the fat guy with the beard and the sweater? That's my dad.
Yeah, it's similar. I would get cremated because this is bullshit. I'm sorry, but anybody listening to this, if you're in the funeral biz, you know you're running a shady boots business. In order to get a bigger casket for my dad, they wanted like 10 grand more. And my mom was like, oh, fuck this. She's like, I could redo my bathroom.
Cremate them. So we cremated. What do you want to do?
Okay.
Aren't they able to take your ashes now and like turn them into diamonds or like pressed jewels? Yeah.
Probably. I had a landlord here in LA. This is the most LA shit. She had her dead cat's ashes put into a tattoo. And I don't know that... Somebody go fact check that.
What? With ashes? With ashes? So I'm not bullshitting this. Thank you.
Can I ask you a question? How is that? How did that set up happen?
Oh, it is a beautiful thing. I was just a little concerned because her cat died from like a horrible disease. And I just got a little nervous about that.
That's wild.
Yeah, I got a little worried about cross-contamination. But wait, that's really cool.
Is your tattoo a little gray? Because hers was gray.
Blue. I'm going to taxidermy my pets. I want them stuffed. You know, we're Southern. It's fine. You walk in, you got a deer head and moose head. It is what it is. But I want my two French Bulldogs fully stuffed. And I've already told my mom that I'm probably going to stuff her too and set her up on our- Have you thought about what position? Yeah. Oh, I've thought it through.
So I'm going to like cryo freeze her or taxidermy her because my mom lives with us. We live with her. However you want to splice it. Mm-hmm. And we have this obnoxiously huge island in our kitchen and she sits there every morning and I come down the stairs and as soon as I hit that bottom step, she's like, Heather, let me show you something I found on the YouTubes.
So I feel like I'm going to have a little button that as soon as I hit that step, it'll say that. And she's just sitting there with a glass of wine.
She'll always be in a barstool.
Exactly. Exactly. You know, but I feel like when guests come over, they'll be like, it's a little creepy that your mom's stuffed. So we would just like to sit in the dining room. We're not going to hang out in the kitchen.
Can't you just get her like a gold plate like at the bars where they're like, you know, Stan used to drink here.
You could. And actually, we did that at the Waffle House down the street from my house. There's a little plaque and it said, you know, it was like Kyle McMahon's spot. My dad's spot at the Waffle House. But I do think Waffle House was the reason he died. So, you know, it's a lot of nitrates in that sausage. They were at our wedding.
Yes. That's beautiful. Love Savannah.
Rankin County? Effingham County.
Effingham County.
Effingham.
Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Y'all had a beautiful wedding. It was really great. We do have to talk about something off air, but we'll talk about that later. Because I have a connection to something that happened to y'all.
No.
Did you say diddy? I said it was my daddy. It was my daddy?
It was my daddy. D-I-D-D-Y.
Yeah.
Everybody's got a diddy.
I'm marrying these people now. Yeah.
You got to lean in.
That's beautiful. Yeah. Now, what do you call your grandparents?
Papa, okay.
I love a grandmother. I had a Mimi and papa. That was also. But then my mom's side of the family is from Boston, so it was very Italian. But my southern grandmother, Sally, it was Mimi.
They love a Mimi. And if you didn't have a mean Mimi growing up, it's always a southern grandmother who's a real bitch.
yeah a lot of like yeah a lot of hand slapping like my grandmother idolized my older sister because my sister's like this beautiful porcelain doll and took her to get um glamour shots at the mall and for father's day which was honestly when you look back a little creepy so i get back to the house and my mom's like where are you glamour shots heather and i'm like well mimi said i'm in my awkward phase and so i can't get any my mom was like god damn it
she's a bitch and took me down to the mall we got glamour shots we don't have any record of these glamour shots because my mom said they turned out so horrible she too would not buy them turns out Mimi was right turns out Mimi was onto something but at least I had the experience of getting all gussied up you know
Eight or nine.
And this was November. So math. Yeah. Continue.
Well, because back in the day, they didn't. You know what I mean? They did not. My Mimi was smoking cigarettes, you know, suppressing that appetite.
Say more.
I guess.
Nicole Kidman says the secret to her successful marriage to Keith Urban comes down to two bathroom appliances. We have a double shower, the double-headed shower key to a successful marriage, and separate commodes in their bathroom. And I couldn't agree more.
Yeah, times have changed. We're oversharing a lot, you know? I came in here real hot. I already told you I got my neck done. I was like, how am I going to go with that publicly? Apparently, I am. So, you know... I mean, I also feel, I am not with child, but I also feel like I'll probably be the person who pees on the stick. And then just, I'm like, I'm like live streaming it.
Like you guys, it finally happened. Because in comedy, I don't have, I'm unable to not somehow turn this around and share it.
And there are times where I'm like, I need to just shut it down, but I don't.
Yeah.
And then when it leads into, I can't get blowjobs or have sex, they'll think I got my vagina done or something. Yeah, I kind of like this. Kind of hot. Kind of hot.
I have seen photos of before and afters of labiaplasties and I compared and I think I'm still good.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah, if you're going to, listen, ladies, if you're listening, if you're going to get your vagina fixed, make sure you do your research.
No coupons.
Right. Because this may be something that you don't know, but like the dentist will do Botox and dentists are the only ones who you should allow other than plastic surgeons to do Botox because they know every muscle in the face. But I've gone to some shady places before I knew any better. And they're like, you know, it's a it's an orthopedist who's like doing filler. You don't want that.
Yeah.
I totally agree.
There was actually a big thing in my town in Atlanta. There was a guy who was an ophthalmologist. He was an eye doctor. And he ended up giving everybody these, like, botched facelifts.
Oh, it like made national news. Yeah.
He didn't know what he was doing. He just thought he'd make like some quick cash, but people got like really destroyed. So do your research. Don't do too much and do your research. That's all I'll say. Are you watching Housewives? Do I watch Housewives? Honey, I've been on Oxy's for the last two weeks.
I think it's important to at least have a door in front of your toilet.
I have literally been laid up, ice in my neck, wrapped up, being like, let me catch up on Beverly Hills.
I watch it all. You watch it all? I watch it all. Are you a big pop culture just in general?
Yeah, I eat it up.
You eat it up.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
What's your favorite, like, most wild story you're following right now? Housewives or?
Well, Salt Lake City just keeps getting better and better. And you know what? They really, they're worth every penny. Mm-hmm. I'm going to say something publicly. I'm going to get in trouble. New York is just a fucking snooze for me.
We gave up.
one thousand percent but also like i mean if you're lucky enough to have two toilets great well i don't i mean i don't know for all the movies that we watch where they just normalize shitting in front of your partner i don't understand why people do this what movies are you watching i don't know there's always like uh you're not wrong there's a lot of i don't know there's a lot of tv shows or movies or whatever that there's a scene between a husband and wife there's always like someone's like sitting on the shitter somebody walks in why are you calling it that
Unless it is old white women around 65 fighting over the last truffle fry in the Hamptons, it's never going to hit for me.
You want to feel the hate.
I want to feel the hate. I want to feel that they're all about to get canceled. That's why we tuned in to see Ramona and Sonya and Luann just at rock bottom, you know?
Yeah.
You still have Luann trying to work. She's sleeping with the guy from Southern Charms. No, that's Southern Hospitality. We watched episode one. Did you watch that at all? I'm not caught up on that. We just started.
And we were like, all right, we'll see what it is.
Wow, we really sold it to you. Hey.
Luann did try to take me home one night a long time ago.
Let's talk about that. Yeah, we've talked about it. Okay, okay.
It was a long time ago in Chicago. It was fresh off of me being on The Bachelorette and she was with some friends in Chicago and
On a scale of one to 10, how tempted?
Zero.
Zero, okay.
All right. She looks good in person. She was lovely and wonderful, and she's a beautiful woman. And it was just like, maybe not, it wasn't the time for me. And she was like- It wasn't the time.
I haven't shaved my pussy in 10 years.
She had started the night earlier. I wasn't really at her level. I was like going to a place called Stout Bar, which was like just very- Stout Bar in New York? Chicago.
Oh, Chicago. Sorry.
She's like, I'll go there. And I'm like, I don't think you want to go here.
Yeah.
And then I said, good night.
Were you outside like sharing a cig with her? Is that how the interaction started?
no it was at this place called Italian RPM yeah shout out to Juliana and Bill I mean they were smart the way they did that branding with the restaurants and RPM Italian is fantastic anytime I play Chicago you bet your ass I got a resi at RPM every time we go back we go back great seafood tower one of the best yeah but I'm really into Salt Lake City the fact that
Mary was sitting at dinner in, where were they, Puerto Vallarta, and she thought she was eating pastrami soup. And they were like, it's minestrone soup. But also, who's eating minestrone soup at the beach in Mexico? Who's eating soup at all? Yeah, I was very, unless it's gazpacho, I don't know what we're doing. So I was very confused by all of that.
The silence. I went to Whistler, Canada. Had a beautiful beginning of 2025. I had a nice little snow moment in a cabin. And coming back home, couldn't be more excited to see all your faces.
I did watch What Happens Live with Bronwyn and her husband. Oh, you did? Yes. And I gotta be honest with you, he was lovely. So I don't know.
I see, I told you.
Yeah, I think that obviously he's the villain, but they were lovely, and they seemed very in love, and Bronwyn was a doll. She was a doll with us.
Oh, so I'm not kind of, well, I saw the one on the boat where they were chit-chatting.
I need a second. Guys, what is life? What is life?
Yeah. And then let me talk about it on national television.
Okay.
She was sobbing on that speedboat after dead margaritas and definitely said he was cheating. Okay. Definitely. So you can't backtrack that one.
They were lovely, though. When I was talking to her, she was like, wait till the season unfolds. Heather and I are really going to go at it. and I get, people think I'm Heather Gay all the time. Do they?
The toilet? The toilet, yeah. Well, when a man's sitting on a toilet, I'm assuming he's not peeing. I don't know. It's always like a guy sitting on the toilet, you know? I don't think he's just tucking it just to take a pee. I don't know.
Yeah, and Heather Gay's been so sweet to me, but I was at a restaurant in Denver at Quality Meats, and I had a show that night in Denver, and I'm standing outside waiting on my car, and this woman walks out, and she was like, Heather, and I turn around. She goes, ugh, you're not Heather Gay. And I said, oh, I'm so sorry. No, I'm not Heather Gay.
And she goes, I heard there was a famous Heather out there. Ugh. I was so, this fan was so upset that I was not Heather Gay. I mean, from the back, we both have blonde hair. And I was like, no, I'm so sorry, ma'am. I was like, would you like a hug? And she just walked back to the restaurant. I was like, okay, fantastic.
Yeah, no selfie. Yeah.
Salt Lake City is doing the Lord's work. That's all we need to know.
Beverly Hills is a good- Beverly Hills is really good.
This is the first time I've liked Dorit.
This is the first time I've been like, I connect with Dorit. Mm-hmm.
Well, you actually believe what she's saying this season.
Last season I was like, I don't know, fashion, fashion, fashion.
Yeah. And I feel like she's dropping the accent a little bit. Like when she's arguing with people, she's getting a little bit more Connecticut.
Less like Cotswolds.
Yeah. I like, I just love seeing Kathy Hilton driving around and her Bentley car. Mercy. What am I trying to say? Convertible. Jesus. I'm really having a stroke here. I'm just obsessed with her and her sun hat driving around in the Bentley trying to be a normal gal. That brings me so much joy. Seeing somebody that rich try and relate.
Yes. With her box fan and drinking Red Bulls at 2 a.m. because you thought it was like a club soda.
You're always like, what's next? What's next? What could they possibly do that's going to be amazing no matter how it lands? Yeah. Whether it lands or doesn't land, it's all fun.
And I love that Kathy Hilton keeps pushing like Hilton products. Like as if we don't, we've never heard of the brand Hilton Hotels. You know, they're always doing a product placement for Hilton. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure Hilton's doing okay. Yeah. You ever heard of it at Hilton Hotel? Like, yeah.
It was, yes. Yeah, we got ready. I spent the night there. A lot of, you know, things have gone down at the Beverly Hilton. So I was definitely hoping there were no ghosts in my room. So yeah, yeah.
But they had the heat blasting. And I just got to say something. In Los Angeles in January, if it gets chilly at night, these hotels have got to quit. They turn off the heat. Yeah. I mean, I'm waking up. Can't catch my breath.
They're acting like winter finally showed up and they're really excited.
Yeah. It's some bullshit. Yeah. So I'm dry. I'm dusty. I'm dry. My eyes are watering. I'm really shutting down. When do you go back home? A month. I'm here all month. You're here all month? I'm here all month. I'm doing the Critics' Choice this weekend. Then I'm going to go to Hawaii for a couple days. I come back, I work, and then I head back to the East Coast, and then I'm back on tour.
He's at home watching the Frenchies right now, and then he's going to come out next week because he's made a lot of golf tee times. So he's got places to hit.
Rigatoni and Macaroni.
Oh, my God. They're perfect. I love them. I got Max and Riggs, and they're the loves of my life, and I birthed them, and they breastfed, and everything about it's perfect. Yeah. Oh, my God. And they will bite your children, so don't bring them over to my house.
I just find it as ironic that you're calling at me right now for this. You say bathroom. I do. I do.
Yeah, my sister locks hers up, too.
Yeah, they're all crazy. They sleep in the bed with you? Absolutely. Mouth to mouth, tongue to tongue, tit to tit. Yes, absolutely. We do a lot of skin to skin. Those are my babies.
Butthole to butthole, honey. Yeah, if you don't wake up in the middle of the night and you got a Frenchie butthole on your butthole, then you don't love your dogs. So I believe that.
Are you following the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni story?
Yes, but I don't know what is up, what is down. I am so confused. I'm trying to keep up. I don't know what the fuck's happening.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's happening. All I know is, my friend, all I know is just the whole press tour was confusing, the movie was confusing. I was never dialed into that story, but what can you update me on?
He's trying something new.
Does he have receipts? He's like, you said it was okay that I came into your trailer while you were pumping one day, as if that was like a green light for everything going forward.
Got it. And were there specific incidences that she said, because I know she said he was showing her nude videos. Oh.
It takes so little not to be a creep.
So that's why whenever I hear these stories, I'm like, yeah, they were being a fucking creep. I mean, you just got to go to work and not be a creep. How fucking hard is that?
Can't be that hard. Come on, guys.
I'm just calling a spade a spade when you're watching these shows.
I'm hanging on. I'm doing the best I can. Truly, you know. Have you ever had like a... Somebody try and suck my neck on a scene? I didn't want you to bring up the old porn I used to do. I love that we're here. No, I would love to be cast as like the hot girl who, you know, that fantasy plays in my mind all the time that I'm, you know, I'm with
I don't know The Rock, Dwayne Johnson and something fabulous is happening. But no, I'm always like the funny best.
Who's like plays the alcoholic. Yeah, I do, too.
Jax Taylor, for example, loves to go to the bathroom with the door open. Well, he's a menace to society.
His brother is his brother. I'm assuming you've met guys who like, you know, wherever it's work or in situations like show up as like these super nice guy and says all the right things. And all of a sudden behind closed door, they're like, what are you?
You're a fucking weirdo. I'm in comedy.
Okay?
They're all like that. No, there's a lot of good guys. But yeah, a lot of these guys. Again, how hard is it? Just don't be a creep.
It's not that hard.
Yeah.
I will say, though, I'm 5'10", big, broad shoulders, and I'm lucky I haven't had a lot of situations where people have tried to take advantage of me. Because when you're this tall in this business, and you're a tall dude, but most of the guys in this biz are little pipsqueaks. So a lot of them know that I could put them in a loose headlock and lights out.
So I think I physically command a room when I walk in. They're like, okay, we're not going to fuck with this bitch. And I remove myself from the industry because I live in Atlanta. I come, I do my thing. I have my friends. I see my, my, my folks. I do the gigs and then I get the fuck out of here. And I love LA. I lived here for years. My husband and I met living in New York.
What am I saying wrong?
We lived in New York, but I enjoy kind of living not in, in the biz. Yeah, I really do. Cause that way I, you know, I see it, I leave it, I do my thing, but then I don't have to deal with this bullshit all day. Yeah.
Wait.
Hold on. Diddy.
Wait. Oh, my God. How do you feel knowing that your father is an enormous dick?
Yeah.
I don't love it.
Well, you should tell him about the Christmas gift he gave you.
Okay. And that's a very prestigious job. Very prestigious. To run golf courses. People don't know that, but that's a hard gig to get.
Unfair to toilets.
Okay.
So Diddy's not well. Wellness check on Diddy.
Physically unwell.
Do we lose a leg? Is it the diabetes flare-up or what happened?
There's some trauma that's been going on right now.
Because daddy's toes were small. Daddy's toes were too small. Because he had the sugars. Hold on. I need a minute.
Too much sugar. This is the funniest shit I've ever heard.
We've all been there. Honey, let me tell you what. You know how many people I know in the state of Georgia right now whose toes are small? You know what I mean? We're all doing the best we can.
If you don't have gout, what are you doing?
If you don't have gout or a toenail is about to fall off. You haven't lived. You know, you drank too much Coca-Cola as a kid, then you ain't living your best life.
So I put on 45 pounds my freshman year at the University of Mississippi because every time I was hungover, which was every day of my life, I'd have a giant sweet tea. And I didn't realize it was like 40,000 pounds. And I would be like tweaking, walking to like biology. And I was like, I feel great. I got the nectar of the gods in me. Yeah. Okay.
From the bed.
I love a work from home entrepreneur. Nothing will stop him.
COVID made him remote. Not the loss of limbs. COVID made him remote. We all decided just to reevaluate our work from home situation. Exactly.
Exactly. So he started this new business and it's basically like, you know, Salt Life.
Do I know Salt Life? Do you know Guy Harvey? Yes.
I can't catch my breath.
Boating shirts with some big logo on the back.
Fine, I'll be specific. I don't want to normalize men sitting on toilets in front of their partners.
Oh, I already have my boat name picked out. What is it? So my podcast is called Absolutely Not. But I would get absolutely K-N-O-T. Like a nautical knot. Absolutely not.
I thought about that.
Thank you. Okay, continue.
He's got yellow comfort color t-shirts. I know they're very soft, so I already know.
Oh, I love dry fit.
It's breathable.
It's breathable. You know what I love?
It wicks away moisture.
Thank God. You know who did his research? You know who did his research? Diddy.
Because you know what he was doing? Laid up on the hospital bed and had his computer because he's working remote.
He had plenty of time to finger some samples. He did. Call some people over in a couple factories abroad. I love that.
What kind of hats?
I'm sorry. Like a fitted? Like a nice trucker?
No, it's definitely a dot org. And then there's a link to like a child obesity charity that you think he's finagled everybody. You think you're donating to chubby kids, but it's actually you're buying merch.
And you have six siblings?
So somebody in the family has to take this upon themselves to run this empire.
Okay.
Listen, I don't have free time, but I could take this up as my new gig.
He also gave you a very beautiful Christmas ornament.
Hell yeah.
Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Because I just said that twice. Y'all owe me $20. Wait, wait, wait.
It's a big glass ornament with a picture of her in it.
Right before the day she died. I don't know how y'all feel about it, but I don't really have a lot of photos of my dead relatives around the house. And people get upset about that, but I'm like, they're there. They're on the phone. They're in the heart. Right. I don't need everybody haunting me down.
That is one example of a scene in a show where they are just like, they want you to think this is normal behavior. And we need like people like Nicole Kidman to give like relationship advice, which is like just shit by yourself.
It's the biggest ornament we have. Of course it is.
Yeah, it's about this big. What was your reaction when you opened it?
The shirt or the ornament? Because she was actually sad. Everyone else got a t-shirt but her.
If you had a boat, what would you say on your boat? What would you call your boat?
Okay, well, I'm just saying these are things- Well, technically we have a boat.
We have a pontoon boat.
No.
Wisconsin. Oh, hell yeah. Could we talk about Wisconsin? Yeah.
You gonna come to the lake house? I would love to come to the lake house. And as an entrepreneur, as a real estate mogul, I think I need to start getting some land up north. I'm feeling Wisconsin and Michigan moment.
We have some perfect lake property we'd love to talk to you about.
Really? Yeah. I'm dead ass.
I am trying to get all the cool people I know to buy property.
Okay. Well then sold because I keep telling my husband, I'm like, what we need. It's getting warmer. You know what I mean? Also, it's a heat on in here.
My God, I'm sweating.
Um, yeah. Um, I would love to buy something up on a beautiful lake up there. I like the vibes. It's chill when it's August in Georgia and it's 140 fucking degrees. I need to be, I needed something crisp and cool.
Middle of September.
Yeah.
I was paddle boarding on the lake. It was 80 degrees. And then we were ice skating on winter. I'm there.
I'm not a Packers fan, but you know what? Why not?
It's like SC football.
SC football.
SC. SC.
It's SC football. SC, SC, SEC.
Yeah. Sexy football. It's sexy football. Yeah. You know what? Listen, everybody else all over the country is just jealous. People try and talk shit about the SEC. Y'all are just jealous that we have a community and we're fun and we party and all the girls are cute and the guys all look like our ditties. And they're all wearing loafers. They're all wearing loafers.
And God, when I look back at some of the guys I dated at Ole Miss, I'm like, what the fuck was I thinking?
It is weird, though. Like the guys look the way they do and the ladies look the way they do.
It's definitely a huge like. Yeah.
But how'd the guys pull that off, you know?
It's our only options.
The khakis and then the sunglass holders.
For some reason, we all had low self-esteem for a couple years there. And now it's changing. The tides are changing.
Keep some element of mystery. It works wonders in relationships.
Because when I go back to Ole Miss, the guys are hot. Really? They got it together. No, these kids also work out now. Like when I was in college, I didn't go to the student fitness center once. I was like, no, I'm going to walk to the bar. It's different. We didn't really have social media. We had Facebook, but nobody really cared. I put on 63 pounds one year. People were like, you're glowing.
And I was not.
No, that was not. I walked in the house at... Christmas break, and my mom goes, turn around. I can't look at you. I was like, you're right. It's bad. I didn't know how to blend a smoky eye. I had no eyebrows. But I was thriving. I didn't know any wiser. But now the kids have the TikToks. You've got to be hot.
The girls, everybody. It has to be equal now.
I grew up in Atlanta.
Like 11? I sure was. As was I. Thank you for bringing up my old habits. I had an older sister and she went to Georgia Tech. So I would literally go down to like the fraternity parties. And I'm, you know, a sophomore in high school and just got my braces off. But I'm like, my titties are coming in. So I was lurking at the parties. You were popular. I was the predator. You were the predator. Yeah.
Oh my God. We were partying. We would go up to Athens. Like all of our friends, older siblings were in Athens. Like we were, oh yeah, we were raging.
So that's why when I got to college, I obviously had a good time, but I did, I wasn't one of those kids who like went off the deep end. Cause I was like, guys, I've been doing this. I was like, I showed up with the menthols. I was like, y'all don't even know what we've been through.
We've lived the lives.
Now I'm ready to settle down at the ripe old age of 16. I'm ready to be a teen bride.
Keith Urban did not write the song Somebody Like You just for Nicole Kidman to watch him shit.
We do. But I love Coach Saban. I do. Because I'm going to tell you, here's the thing. Don't get angry. He's great. And I love his daughter. She's a friend of mine. And I just love, I love Miss Terry. I love them. I made a lot of jokes about them in my special, but it's because it comes out of respect. So you can't not like the family. But Alabama fans are fucking crazy. And they haunt me.
And they say real tight in my comments. I'm like, we're not even, we haven't played y'all in like three years. Like, let it fucking go. What are we doing here? You know, they killed our tree. They did kill your tree. Toomer's Corner, right?
Yeah.
Yeah. And I think that was what they didn't. It was just some psycho redneck Alabama fan. I mean, in Tuscaloosa, it's not a great town. And then they're going to come for me. Why am I saying this? I'm going to lose an entire demographic of my fans. But yeah, no, I mean, they came for y'all and it wasn't nice. They killed your tree.
They're slowly destroying our ecosystem. One by one.
Well, they weren't good this year. They weren't good.
And it's someone like you. It's like when you have a tummy ache, I'm just like you. Someone like you.
And we were good. And yeah, we choked a big dick at Florida, but we should have been in the playoffs. I do strongly feel it that way.
Yeah. You guys, you guys came back a little bit. It's okay. You have our old coach. You do.
I think you got our hand-me-down. Who's your coach right now? Nutt? Nutt. Nutt. Who's your, who's Auburn coach?
No.
Hugh Freeze, our old coach. Houston Nut. Yeah, sorry. We had Houston Nut. He left.
Well, actually, we used to have towels. Born to be a coach. We called them nut rags, and we would spin them in the stadium. So honestly, great branding and marketing. As a guy, how do you feel about these NIL deals?
I'm definitely an NFL guy over a college football guy.
No, no, sorry. The NIL deals.
Yeah, them paying the college kids.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I mean, I'm honestly fine.
Yeah. I'm glad the kids are getting paid.
I'm glad the kids are getting paid, too.
I mean, the NCAA was definitely, like, organized crime. Yeah. A lot of rich old men just, like, making a lot of money over athletic kids who, like, couldn't afford lunch.
Yeah.
Or, like, you know, would get in trouble because someone bought them a dinner. It seemed kind of weird. I don't have all the answers. I'm sure there's a lot of gaps, and I don't know if it's done good for the sport, but whatever.
Did you see Baby Girl?
I haven't seen Baby Girl yet.
Yeah, I am. Well, here's the thing, because when I got my neck done, I wasn't really able to leave the house that much, so I had to watch stuff from home. But Baby Girl's on the top of my list, because I love Miss Nicole.
Do I love erotica? I'll tell you what, I love to listen to erotic books.
And that's something my Mimi used to do. She used to always read the romance novels.
I remember picking one of those up when I was like 10 and I was like, Mimi, this is steamy.
Now he's reading them now.
Can I be honest with you? That is, if I ever ran for president, that would be my platform. I'm Heather McMahon running for president and my clit needs a break. Every woman in America does feel like our clit needs a break.
Well, when we were, I will say, I mean, we're going to have some fun because we are remodeling. So it's a lot of like, it's like choose your own adventure. We're very, you know, so it's a lot of, I've never done this before. So they call it selects. You get to pick whatever you want. So we're picking our master bathroom. And then I'm like, yeah, I mean, sure. Like tile.
And sometimes it does.
It does. It does, yeah.
Yeah, so I do have to take breaks from my erotica books and music and TV shows and movies.
Now, when you go to look at porn, what is your... Girl on girl.
Girl on... Oh my God, I don't mean to say dick.
Are you kidding me? Wait a minute. I'm so glad we can discuss this.
Yeah.
Because you want to know why? It's like they're both attractive. Exactly. I've never had like a lesbian tryst. It's just everyone seems pleased.
Exactly.
So if I see a sex scene and it's some guy with a barbed wire tattoo who immediately starts like skull fucking a girl, I'm literally calling the cops. I'm like, who are these actors? This is not consensual. Everyone's ugly. I hate them and I report them.
I leave a one star review.
Absolutely not. I'm out. I'm out.
I'm out.
I'm like, you know what it is? Okay. I think I just figured out because as women, we're so high strung. We're so overstimulated. It's like you finally see two women relaxing. It's not even anything sexual. It's not like, oh, it's like, I don't want to stare at a vagina.
You're just like two women working on their mental health.
No, literally. It's watching two women finally take a fucking break. That is porn for us.
Maybe that's why it does nothing for me.
Yes, it is. Yes, that's probably why.
They seem too relaxed. They seem too relaxed.
Now, what's your porn style? I'm not talking about it. Come on. Okay, fine. Spill it. Spill it. Spill it.
I don't know. Like, man, woman, you know?
Not gay shit. Don't worry about that. that's a man woman definitely straight sex never never two dudes if i saw two dudes in the same room exit even if they were just circle jerking i'd be like report yeah that's great that was that was just such a great great response we felt it we felt we got it we got it When I found out my husband's born, I was very relieved though.
It was kind of like, it was just kind of a little boring.
No, no, absolutely not. No, there was no weird, like, you know.
It's the titles. And anytime it's like, young, I'm like, whoa, whoa. I go, whoa. How young? Why are we even saying that? That freaks me the fucking, no, whoa. I literally type in mature, mature lesbians. who both have mortgages on homes. Like that's what I'm looking for. I don't want anything. Fiscally responsible. Fiscally responsible. Has 401k. Has 401k, above the age of 35 or bust.
I absolutely am not, I don't understand this. I mean, people are sick fucks.
And then they were just like, well, which shower head do you want? I'm like, well, I guess I want this shower head. And they're like, but then you can have like these. Well, wait, I'm like, wait, we get, this is the moment of my life.
That is my favorite way to humiliate myself. Please read that out loud. And it's like, I love to squirt 3,000. Okay.
I want you to say it out loud.
She has done that. That you wanted to watch the cat sitter squirt across the room. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Say it.
Say it out loud.
It's like in front of the class, too. No, I have to say it out loud.
My favorite thing in the world is to catch my husband jerking off. It brings me so much joy. I laugh about it deeply for days.
Oh, you got me.
There's love on the floor. Do you also just look at him and go... And walk away with such shame.
Oh, I literally close. I go, are you for real right now? I'm like, my mom's home. Okay, you're disgusting.
There are days where I'm like, I'm home. And I go, I was literally, I'm just like putting up the dishes. You could have fucking texted me. You just seem like you were stressed out. I would be less stressed. If you just fuck me, you know? Yeah, no, there's, he has a setup.
It's like body jets.
I'm working actually on this whole new bit, but he has a full setup where like, he's got like the iPad up, the phone, he's got the lotions, the potions, he's in the chair, the towel is adjacent. He's multi-streaming? He's multi-streaming.
You gotta squirt across the screen.
The moment in my life where I kind of always imagined like how many shower heads I would have if I got to build my own shower. Like this is that moment we're in right now. And they're like, yes. Yes, I want walls and jets and I want it coming up from every angle. I want to walk into the shower and just be blasted with water from every angle.
No, he's thinking about Penn State football, period. I know he is. He's so dialed in right now and it's stressful. He's one of those who like doesn't have a healthy relationship with sports. Like he thinks he's the coach.
He's in playoff football.
He's in playoff football right now. So yeah, I hope he's re-upped his blood pressure medication because I'm worried about that. But I'm going to ask him. I'm going to ask him about that.
I am. Because he's done a lot of work down there and hasn't really gone up here because the neck's still swollen. So I'm going to ask them that. I'm going to text them right after this.
And I'll report back to you. That would be great. But that is, wow, we really uncovered something there. That women like to watch other women have sex because they just like to know that they're relaxed.
It really is. And it's like, wow. Yeah. The pizza guy comes over. They're always gross.
Why can't there be more attractive men in porn?
Literally. He's selling meth under the 101. He is.
I don't care.
We don't care about the giant cock. We don't give a fuck. I could give a fuck. I'm just like, oh, I'm going to be UTI for three days.
We're really different.
A woman seeking man.
Yeah. I do feel like male porn star names, too, are always something scary that feels like you would contract something. Yeah, like a Donnie.
Yeah, rusty Donnie. Ew, yeah. Chester. Yeah. I don't like it.
Yeah.
You know what's nice to click on? Miranda. Miranda and Lindsay.
Oh, my God.
Have fun on the soccer field. Not the soccer. That's, again, that's public. I also don't, when people are like, oh, where's the craziest place you had sex? I'm like, where I currently have sex, my mom's house. Like, I don't, I'm not trying to have sex out and about. That's very, yeah, that's very high school.
Wait till we get home.
I know my mom could come home from Trader Joe's at any minute. We're already risky, you know?
Oh no, I do feel hot. I feel rushed. I feel sweaty.
I feel stressed. Our daughter was conceived with Nellie's mom there.
Okay, where was she in the home?
Yes, I did. Far past.
No, I think Nick needs to step up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh, I hear you.
I want to be pummeled.
Yeah. Well, you have a beautiful baby. Thank you. And I might need an egg. So if you guys could, if you're ever, if you like get done, you know what I mean? Because you're young, you've got great genes. I would really love an egg, maybe, possibly.
Absolutely pummeled.
I'm probably going to do, like, another round of egg freezing, IVF and stuff. And I just don't have it in me right now. I've been a little busy and I'm tired and I'm very bloated. So I might need, you know, you're young and youthful. Happy to. We're already kindred spirits. Exactly. So I'm just saying. I mean, we could do it. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to be a part of it or you can't.
Absolutely demolished by the water.
I got the sense of like, why are you inviting yourself now? Well, yeah.
I want the only reason I'm standing up is because the water pressure from the other side is keeping me up. Wow. From the side of the water that's trying to blow me over.
No, and I'll tell you why. If I was going to have a threesome, I wouldn't swing. I don't want to swing with another couple.
If I was going to have a threesome, I'm on the Lido deck on a cruise. I will never see these people again.
Okay? Yeah. I'm also not going to try and be between two men. Oh. Absolutely. So I'm going to get I'm going to get like just pit roasted. Like, I don't know.
I have enough holes that I don't want more dick slapping me in the face. I don't want that. If I was with another woman, I might get a little jealous. You get more attention. Yeah. I just feel like the math is not mathing there. Right. And I don't ever want to swing because women, we all talk about our husbands, our boyfriends, our partners, whatever.
We stayed up for the New York ball drop. But on Western time. On Western time.
You know, like one of my girlfriends, we're on a group chat. One of my girlfriend's husband has like hemorrhoids. We know about it. It's like, God damn it. Mark woke up with hemorrhoids and he's being a fucking asshole. Yeah. So I know too much about these people. Even if they're attractive, I'm not trying to fuck any of my friends. No, I'm like, okay, Dan had diarrhea for four days.
You know, I'm like, I'm good. I know too much. I'm good. I don't look at any of these people in a sexual light. That's so very attractive, but I'm good.
And would you ever want to swing?
Let's just recap. I came in upset about my dead father. Then I told you I had my neck done. Now we're talking about our board. Kitchener's spouse is jerking off. Well, you know what? I don't want to seem like an old lady. Maybe I should put that out there. Maybe I add that to my vision board. Anybody would like to have a threesome, just let me know.
You should put a slip and slide in there.
I probably won't respond to the DM, but I'd just like to know that people want me.
I might. I might. Anyways, we're very excited.
Just let me know if you'd ever consider fucking me. I would really, I just need that. I just want to fill my spirit with that level of confidence. Okay, perfect.
Heather, you're awesome.
You guys are great. Thank you for having me. We love you so much. This was a lot of fun. So much fun. Please come back. Love you. Anytime.
Work and promote everything you're doing.
Yeah, I got a tour coming up. Get your tickets at heatherandtour.com. It's the Bamboozle Tour. And I got a podcast and, you know, I don't know.
Yeah. So super fun. Yeah. We'll have lots of showers.
Absolutely not.
I think I said it five times, so I think somebody's got to pay me money for that.
But yeah, check the podcast out and come see me on the road. Can we come see you on the road? Absolutely. I'll get you tickets to the L.A. show.
All right. Well, be sure to check out all of the great stuff Heather is doing. We appreciate Heather coming on. Also, thank you to Emily Baker, who also joined us as well. We will see you back on Thursday. Bye.
Yeah. Shout out. Shout out.
Nicole Kidman. Thanks for the very.
She's the baby girl.
I don't know if they did. Yeah. Middle school were like the last three minutes of the movie. You'd roll over and start making out with your middle school.
Lots of questions. Sorry, you horny kids who are making out the whole movie. I wanted to get my money's worth first.
I've never made out in a movie theater.
I was like, I paid $5 for this movie. I got to watch The Mask.
Do you think Alex Baskin would lie to us?
Alan Cummings says reality stars are constantly begging him to join Traders. He says, I have constant barrages of reality stars now in my DMs and in my life asking me to be on the Traders. That makes sense.
Hottest reality TV show on TV right now with probably the lowest risk of looking bad.
Yeah.
I mean, it's interesting how broad of a net they cast in terms of what shows. Obviously, you have all of Bravo, Bachelor Nation, all the years of Bachelor alum and Bravo alum. And then you have the gamers. If you've popped in any... Just in reality TV in general... Plus, now, I've heard they're trying to elevate it a little bit.
You know, maybe, like, maybe get more athletes or an actor or whatever. So I think it's not going to just be reality TV stars, you know, things like that. Because they've always, you know, they've always, like, past two seasons, they've had some, like, British royalty. You had Parliament the season before. Then you had royalty last season. Yes.
I think you're going to see them sprinkle in other cast people other than reality TV stars. But I would love to know who's DMed Alan trying to get on and wondering if they really have a shot or not. I'm guessing if you're DMing, you have no shot.
Yeah, Alan's not the way in. He's just he's just the host. He has nothing to do. I mean, I suppose if he really, really was passionate about someone, I guess he could call in a favor and he could certainly put him in the front of the line.
Unless you recently popped in like recently in the past 18 months at the maximum and you've like popped in some crazy way. And maybe you just, you know, you don't have a manager or an agent or you don't like, you know what I'm saying?
But most of these reality TV stars that they're casting at this point are like, have been in the business long enough that they have kind of representation of some kind. So I'm guessing that would be the person you would go through.
Maybe that's why... Rob and Cordell. Cordell. Didn't they say Cordell was... doing another show or another job, it's traitors.
Someone probably asked them, though.
Is it traitors? That's the obvious guess.
It was TMZ who he told this. Yeah. I mean, if I'm him, I'm lying.
I don't know. It'd be crazy if they didn't cast someone from last season on traitors, given like the synergy of Peacock and Love Island. That would be kind of nuts.
Loves animals.
Quiet, unassuming. You wouldn't really know. Mysterious, hard to read, you know.
He'll probably, you know, he'll probably get that.
I'm sure I'll get an offer, but you know, the Peter Weber, the Dylan kind of role, I could see Rob coasting pretty far, just being quiet and good looking. I mean, or just like Sam, just like Sam did. I would be shocked if there's, that would be crazy to not have someone from that cast on the next season of Traders.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of The Vile Files. I am your host, Nick, and it's good to be back with you. The Met Gala was last night. Well, it's tonight for us when we're recording, but it's last night for y'all. So we don't even know what happens. I do someday want to go. I do.
And she's 15 months. Does that make her a genius? I don't know. You tell me. She's all we have to go by.
You say she throws her name out there like third person.
And I'm like, has anyone ever done that? Like said, I'm, I'm Leah.
But what if someone do that? But like, I think we're all in agreement. It's a very embarrassing thing for someone to do. And yet there's plenty of people who do it. Like it's not that uncommon.
Introducing yourself. Thank you very much.
Yeah. True.
All right. Well, up next, Angela Oakley from The Real Housewives of Atlanta joins us. And following that, we'll break down last week's episode of Summer House. I kind of already I tease a little bit, but I've like Jesse and West have given me like a revelation about like dating in general. And I'm excited to break it all down with you after Angela. But she is with us right now.
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We respect that. Yeah. How many housewives do you feel like do their own glam before a show? I'm very impressed because I feel like housewives maybe are the most in demand of glam.
Well, you look stunning. We would have never known. How are you enjoying your rookie season on the cast of Real Housewives of Atlanta? Is it everything you imagined? No, it's not.
Okay. Well, last night's episode was definitely Angela heavy in the best possible way. We really enjoyed it. But like, what did you think about what you saw? Like, yeah, what you kind of referred to, it was a little bit upsetting. Was it just like being triggered and brought back to that moment? Like, what did you find that was maybe the most upsetting for you?
Well, Angela, I've been a big fan of your husband for a long time. I mean, shoot, like since he was rocking and rolling with the Knicks, been a big fan. But what does he think about this whole housewives experience? Is he been as triggered as you have? Is he going through the three stages alongside with you or is he kind of checked out?
Well, because she probably thinks they're stuffed animals.
I really respected the barbecue sauce and the pitcher.
Like very easy distribution because usually, you know, you have to have the spoon and you're there in line and it's like scoop, scoop, you know, you're holding the line up. You could just pour it. It's very, I really respect that.
Speaking of food, why won't Charles eat your food?
How was your first time flying solo with River?
They don't eat your food or they don't eat Charles' food?
We have the same thing going on in our household too.
I cook.
This is the right way to cook. And then there's a wrong way to cook. That's all.
That's right. Yeah, but like she was, she was just a little bean back then.
I enjoy cooking. I enjoy doing it. I really do. I feel at home in the kitchen. So I'm not complaining at all. I imagine Charles feels the same way. I imagine he enjoys being in there.
One thing I, I'm kind of always astounded by and fascinated by this show. It's why when now and I get approached about ever talking about, you know, being on these types of shows, I'm like, no fuck, you know,
no way because like the way cast just like platforms the dirtiest and nastiest of rumors about people as like part of getting the drama which can be very damaging to like real relationships so like how did how did you feel about porsche just doing that to you like that brit initially is the one who threw it out who threw out the windy
Are you able to share what that advice was?
Angela, I just want to say, first of all, thank you for sharing that story. Second of all, we all have a story in our life about just like, I don't know, just kind of being out of body and doing something where we were like, what the fuck was that? But walking up to Wendy Williams and saying, it's just a baby was a crazy thing to say.
Angela, do you ever practice your zingers, your one-liners as a new housewife? Because like we've heard different things that like some housewives are just like that witty. Other housewives, we've heard rumors like they hire comedy writers or writers that come up with lines for shows. Are you just naturally like that?
Or do you have to like think about it, you know, going into some moments where you know there's going to be some drama?
Front row.
You had B, 50, whatever the fuck. And you ended up in the front row.
We, you know, it's exciting to be able to give your kid things and have them see that, you know, excitement on their face. But at some point you have to like pull it back out of fear that they might turn into something. But like with a dog, you know, you just, they're not, you get to feel good all day long. Yeah.
Well, Angela, It's not just your first season. It's going to be your first reunion as well. And just like you said, there's filming the season and watching it, but the reunion is a whole other beast. Going into it, who in your cast do you want to address the most or get to the bottom of anything? And is there also someone in your cast that you're worried that might be coming for you?
Do you feel like it's a little bit of like rookie hazing?
Okay. So it's safe to say that despite it not being what you expected and it being a little tougher, no regrets. And if they'll ask you, you'll come back for season two?
It was so funny.
Last question before we let you go, Angela. I'll ask Cynthia when I see her next, but I didn't know prophets were a thing. I thought that was something like you read in a Bible. Or is that the same as a psychic or a tarot card reader? Did you believe in that stuff?
I forgot who she told, but she was like, you just need to slow... Shamia, I think.
It was like... It's your year to make money, and sometimes doing nothing is doing something. And it's like, okay. I don't know. It's just like...
I respect that.
Yeah.
Well, Angela, it's been awesome to talk with you. Thanks for answering all our questions, sharing your stories. Good luck the rest of the way. We're definitely rooting for you. Really enjoying you so far. So thank you again and enjoy the rest of your day.
I would be locked in at that point. I would be thanking the Lord that he like gave me that in-flight entertainment.
Oh, she's great. Yeah. Unafraid. Just she showed up today.
Like, did you did you enjoy the break or how much was I missed? Who missed me more, River or you?
Really? Thanks. That was nice for you to say. That wasn't even a setup. I wasn't expecting it.
Because usually Wi-Fi is just never working.
Do you think, I mean, both tough situations, do you think it'd be tougher single moms or deadbeat, like in a marriage with deadbeat dads, just like absolutely no help?
I didn't say how. You did.
fair but and i might have said that but also i was partly just like well you were home and i'm home and it just seems unnecessary also you guys have to understand that like river we might be bonding more and more every day and i did i did feel like my daughter missed me but like the way river loves natalie is is honestly special and awesome and it's really something and it's just like
I get a fraction of like, I just like, hey, Dada, like just the fact that like my daughter knows my name and like refers to me is like pretty great. It's like it's pretty exciting as a dad. But like she freaks out. Like if she's not with her mom for 10 minutes and then her mom pops around the corner, River is just like, no!
And honestly, I will... This is definitely not his wife.
it's really the best so I was just a little nervous you know because honestly sometimes when you know most of the time when we drive with River well you're usually driving and I'm usually in back like keeping River preoccupied so like she wasn't gonna be preoccupied but she was well behaved she was great we played River's really into music I don't maybe that's another thing where I feel like I've told Natalie several times I feel like River has like a music bone of some kind she likes to dance she just enjoys music
No, but she really seems into it. So anyways, I went on Spotify and played like the greatest driving hits of all time, which started with some Fleetwood Mac. And we had a nice little two 10 minute car rides and went to a little grocery shopping. When Nellie asked, she was just like, I've been with her for three days. And then I was like, that's a good point. So we went and had a good day.
So it was a moment for us. We made a good team. People who are still figuring out if they can be a good team with babies are Kyle and Amanda. I was surprised by how that ended. I mean, that was a real conversation. It was really interesting to see. And I get both of their answers, but... I am curious.
I wonder how much of that was them willing to have that conversation for TV purposes, or is that something that she... To drop that bomb three years into a marriage and to say you've been thinking about it for a year, it's a lot to process. It's... There's a little bit of like, you didn't tell me. Why didn't you tell me? And then it's it's there's some sensitivity.
That's a great point. And it kind of like I said, you know, watching the past two weeks of Summer House, like I had this kind of epiphany for all the people who listen to Ask Nick and we talk about situationships and dating and dating culture. You know, when Swartz, and I love Swartz, he's a great guy.
But like when Swartz and Kyle are talking about being good dads, and I'm sure like, yeah, they seem like good people and Swartz has a great heart. But like, and again, maybe this is his TV, but like the boyishness of like the way these guys, like Jesse specifically with Lexi,
how entitled they are to make sure they have fun at a party or on a Saturday night and how like to ask them to give that up. They, they kind of, they kind of stomp their feet and throw a little bit of a fit about like, well, I'm just, I'm just like, I'm just, I'm just trying to have fun, you know? And there's, it made me think about, listen, if you're out there, ladies,
I'd say this to anyone, I guess. But I think it's more... If you're in your mid-20s, early 30s, and you're dating someone, and you're in a situationship, ask yourself, are these serious people? I've never met Jesse. I've met West. He's funny. He's likable. He's affable. But he is... he's kind of an unserious guy right now. So much of his life is unserious.
You know, like Jesse, it's like the way they live their life is a bit unserious. Like they kind of act like adult things are just kind of like a waste of their time. And if you're out there and you're like dating someone and like their lifestyle is very unserious, like, They're not going to want to date you, especially if you're in a situationship. Think about it.
Defining a relationship, that's a serious conversation. Being a boyfriend, there's a seriousness to it. But these are a bunch of guys who just don't... Who gets on a fucking trampoline... In the middle of the night to watch Zootopia on a laptop with four of your bros, that's just a very unserious thing.
I mean, I guess they're fun and all, but that's not none of... I guess Kyle is married, but these are people who just, they don't want to have the responsibility of being a partner or a dad. You know what I'm saying? It's just too much for them. And if you're dating someone who's just unserious about being an adult, they're just not going to... I wouldn't date them.
I think we're closer than we were last year.
Wes seems like at least two or three years away from maybe being in a relationship. Nothing about his lifestyle says, I want someone saying...
Yeah. Can we do something else? Yeah. Let's, I want to do this. I want to do that. Can you not do this so we can do that?
Take that for granted.
I don't think there's ever a night that we went to bed.
I've never been like, yeah, I'm just going to stay up and watch a movie.
Not to put you on the spot, but like, I'm sure we're the exception in terms of every night, but how often do you guys go to bed at the same time? Assuming you're in the same house, you know, assuming like, you know, like obviously you're both with partners who travel a lot.
No, there's a one day we should make a list of all the things that you ladies like assume doesn't count for you.
He was working on it.
So you guys are clearly exceptions to our rule. So we can go fuck ourselves.
No, I just don't want to, I don't want to be like calling you and Connor out. Like, well, fuck that relationship.
Everyone is definitely do your thing, but like you don't have the relationship that we have. If you don't, you know what? My favorite same way, Sarah,
But Natalie's not, Natalie's pretty good on that. And that's very specific department about not being a hypocrite.
I just don't feel like she nags at me about my mess. And I and I do leave a trail.
That's something I really need to work on. Actually, Natalie, I need for the longest time. I didn't wear an apron. And Natalie's mom got me one for, I think, my Christmas or something, whatever. And I was like, wow, this is genius because I have so many fucking I have so many oil stains. On like every fucking shirt. There's an oil stain on this shirt. It's like on every fucking shirt.
It's really... And it never dawned on me that I could wear an apron. And I need to cook way more efficiently and cleaner. I do. I will say I really appreciate with Natalie is that like we have a handful of individual bad habits. For example, Natalie...
This, if I don't take this, this is a half-drinking matcha. This will sit here for weeks. Weeks.
Oh, my God. There's just half-drinking cups everywhere. But every time I point it out, she'll, I don't know, she'll bring up one of my several bad habits. And then we're both kind of like, touche. And then we kind of move on.
I honestly kind of find it helpful because I know I do that shit. And then I will get irritated at Natalie for the cups. And then when she brings it up, I'm like, okay, well, I probably should be less irritated about the cups.
I put River to bed. And when I got like Natalie was like asleep on the chair, like as if she passed out just like seconds later, you were you were clearly exhausted. Yeah.
Anything else we have to talk about from Summer House?
Say more.
And I wouldn't say just young twenties, Jesse's in his late twenties, early thirties, but I will say, yeah, the dating drama, less established, haven't figured it out yet. Totally. Yeah.
Yeah, that was kind of weird that he like tried to shut that down. It was.
And she's packing to go home outfits as she should. Yeah. That's where her mental energy is going is to like looking like a boss queen as she like leaves this the weekend of debauchery.
Is that why there's a couple like patches?
craziness where we do get more of that like does Kyle have any kind of producer credit you know we all kind of like infer that like Kyle started this but like how how much if any control does he have over summer house like is it his like can they fire him
Oh, I'm more invested in Jesse and Lexi for sure.
I honestly feel like at this point for Paige, I feel like going on this show is like a net negative. I don't feel like it's helping her career outside of Summer House. I mean, she's thriving, you know, like, you know, her, her business partner, essentially, I don't, I mean, like Hannah Burner. they're both thriving equally. You know what I'm saying?
It's not like Hannah hasn't been on Summer House. I just don't feel like Paige needs it at this point. I don't know if it's really helping her at this point other than just being kind of a headache to have to film, watch it back, give people who are not you the control of your edit. You know what I'm saying? If I'm Paige, I don't know what she's making or what they're paying her.
So maybe it's just a really nice paycheck that's tough to just let go. But I feel like she doesn't need it. But
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I mean, she probably has more value to them than the other way around. That's for sure. Up next, the hottest new country star in country music, Tucker Wetmore joins us. And it's a great conversation.
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Tucker, welcome to the show, man. Thanks for having me. How you doing? I'm great. We just saw you in concert, man. It was great.
You got some music chops.
All you really had was, and you don't even have brown, like that, my brown eyed girl. What's that song? You know, where it's like, a lot of them are brunettes, you know? So any girl with brown eyes was like, this is my song. So thank you.
Truly.
I mean, it's how I met my wife.
I'm just saying.
What was the message?
That's it. I was chuckling too.
And I think a lot of people feel like, I think it depends what direction the DMS are going.
Well, when you DM to me, yeah, I don't, you just had to say, hi, what did you say?
And it worked. It was off the tongue. Yeah, I looked at her pictures and I was like, yeah, absolutely. For sure.
But yeah, I think the ladies are a little more cautious. They dig a little deeper. A little bit. Yeah. And you seem like a funny, charming, talented guy.
He got real serious. He did.
He got really serious.
I'm a man of God. I try to stay straight. Was there a brunette that kind of fucked you up a little bit? And that's why you.
Oh.
That's the idiot that sits in his kitchen.
Every once in a while, Nalia will show me the people she's watching on TikTok lives. And I never thought any of them would make it. She didn't show me you, but I got to say, you're a handsome fellow, you know, like, you know, you know, there's some interesting people on there.
Is it more like just absolutely surreal, like pinch me or is there a little bit of like,
How was playing for Jimmy Kimmel Live?
Is it just like another check the box of cool things you've done? What is maybe the coolest thing you've done where it was like you really couldn't believe like, holy shit, I'm here.
It says here, happy to talk and chat about all things dating. Do you like talking about dating? Not really, but I'm down. He didn't write that. I didn't write that. I sold your team out. Sorry, guys.
If I'm being honest, maybe rephrase the question. Maybe it's like, how's your sex life? No,
Well, thankfully, you got back in time. Because, like, you came back the next day.
How did you get a sense of that, that you felt like... That it wasn't like you that they were like dating, but more like... The idea. Yeah, the idea of you.
I should leave. No, it's okay.
Do you know what? We asked Riley Green this question and his brain exploded. What's your love language is? What?
You don't know what love languages are? Scorpio, Scorpio.
You don't know. Sometimes French.
It sounds kind of silly. It sounds like- A horoscope, a made up thing. But it's something, honestly, you should learn about yourself. It's like the idea, well, one, it's how do you receive love? So what- What can someone, your girlfriend, do for you that makes you go, ah, they like me. This person cares about me. As opposed to like, and then like how do you show love?
Like, you know, how do you do that? So there's five categories. Okay, what are they? There's acts of service. Okay. So like you like, you know, you like doing things for your partner. Making a cup of coffee.
Yeah.
A lot of men are, yeah.
I'm like that. Then there's physical touch. You want to be touched.
What kind of mood did I wake up in? I don't know. Yeah. It's like, I like to be touched, but it's smothered.
And then, then we got, we got words of affirmation. So like, I love you, you know, or you look handsome today.
like I'm really proud of you you're like wow you're the best musician ever like I'm really cool imagine your partner thinking that and making you believe that I think that's what I enjoy and then quality time gifts and quality time so like you like just actually hanging out with each other I like that I don't like receiving gifts I'd rather give gifts see we're similar acts of service hate gifts
I know.
Yeah. You like to give them. That's what he just said. I know.
Nick Haley's a gift. He's like, fuck Mother's Day.
He's like, fuck Mother's Day. It's just all it is is a problem.
A gift is something I survived through. Yeah.
That's how you get out of it. That's awesome. Are you wearing it? Yeah, it's right here.
So you taught yourself how to play the guitar at 11.
Because when you got up there and you were playing the piano on Saturday, I was like very, very envious of you. I'm always very envious of people who could do things that I can't do. And I took piano lessons as a kid. And then they said quit. Yeah. And you got up there.
I was away from her for three days. That's the longest I've ever been away from her. And it honestly felt like she developed and evolved. Like it was it was not fun. I mean, I enjoyed missing her. I do feel like she missed me. So that was a new experience.
I used to play chopsticks a lot and my mom would tell me to stop. I think it might've been chopsticks. That's all I never got.
Yeah.
Oh, there's a couple. Oh yeah.
experience that was fun but i thought i might have to leave her for like five weeks and ended up not having to leave her for like for work and i honestly couldn't imagine what that would have been like no she would have been a completely different baby yeah so i mean that's crazy well we have an amazing show lined up for you today and not too long angela oakley from the real housewives of atlanta will be joining us after an explosive episode last night where i actually got she was a
do you i mean you know you obviously play a lot of covers uh and young artists obviously did a lot is it really cool to like you're up there and you start playing your music and you see you know the audience like you know just get as excited about your music as the covers is that is that you remember the first time you felt that moment
Like showing up in the afternoon, you know, and thinking that it was for me when the first time I did that. Cause you think you're watching it late. It's late night.
Nighttime. And you're like, yeah, you're showing up. I got three o'clock.
Sydney Sweet?
Who did that?
That's hilarious.
Barely watched it.
Yeah. Very high ratings.
It's a comic book. Nothing's new because it's all based on old comics.
They're bringing people from some of the TV shows, some of the other people from movies who aren't dead, putting them in a new movie. The cinematic universe.
Can Ryan sing? I don't know.
I didn't.
That movie was sick. It was so good. So did I. Remy Malek didn't have to sing, and he still won an Oscar, so.
For who?
Who? Playing a... What did he sing? I don't think he's... I think he lip-synced a lot of that shit. Did he? I'm pretty sure.
Her face, she's like stunned. She's like, huh?
I'm gonna Google that. So you played Freddie Mercury. You're like, let's find out. Google it. Did he sing? I'm pretty sure he didn't.
Rami Malek sing in Bohemian Rhapsody. No. Oh, damn. What? Take away that Oscar. That's so stupid. Just because he wore teeth? That's nuts. That's it? Well, you can argue.
I mean, like, you know, he really was acting.
Nonetheless, great movie. Yeah, that scene, you know, the ending, awesome. Yeah. Yeah. If you had a superpower, what would that superpower be?
Margarita.
You could be anywhere but here. Literally. I wish I could get the fuck out of here. I'm just gone.
No, absolutely not.
Did you play football in college?
You see people who go a little nuts with those injections and you get those stretch marks. You've never seen that?
Didn't Wes Wilson play for Montana?
It's got to be great to feel like, you know, struggle in school. I mean, I'm assuming there's some level of being serious that your grades weren't good or whatever, but to be able to do what you're doing now. And I'm sure there were probably teachers back in the day have been like, you're going to... Not do, you know, you're not going to, you know, lecture you.
I'm just kidding. But did you have like teachers doubting you?
Well, I was just like, you know, good point, you know, like be very cautious with those injections. But anyways, you know, either way, I'm glad we got to the bottom of it. She will be joining us as well. Also, Tucker Wetmore is joining us fresh off of his appearance at Stagecoach. He's like one of the hottest new country artists in country music today. And we got to hang out with him for a bit.
I also sucked at homework.
Is that what it is?
Tuckerwapmore.com?
Yeah, I think so. Okay. Yeah. We can spell it for you guys.
That's crazy. And for the ladies out there, if they are interested in reaching out
What is a message that would ring true to your heart that you'd notice? What? Yeah, like a message. You know, what could they write you? Oh, that girl's going to write me?
Thank you. Wishing you nothing but the best, man. It's really fun to see people rise like you've risen, man. You obviously are very talented, and it seems like you have nowhere to go but up. So it's exciting to watch your journey go.
All right, man. Take care. All right. Well, thank you guys for listening. Appreciate our guests, Angela Oakley and Tucker Wetmore for joining us. We will see you tomorrow for an explosive episode of Going Deeper with Lexi Wood. Do not miss that. And Thursday is also going to be an incredible episode of Reality Recap. So join us then. We'll see you then. Bye for now.
He slid into someone's DMs, why I really appreciated the swing, at least. Yeah. Yeah.
How many DM slides do you think this particular lady gets every day? Thousands.
Yeah. Also this week on Going Deeper, Lexi Wood will be joining us to talk about her relationship with Jessie, why, how she ended up on the show in the first place. It'll be a great chance to actually get to know Lexi Wood. She has a very interesting past. She dated Brooklyn Beckham, so... I'm curious how she felt like that transition from Brooklyn to Jesse was. Anyways, we'll be talking with her.
So that should be a very interesting episode. I really appreciate how she's been handling herself this season. It's been fun to watch. I've been pretty impressed with Lexi. I think she surprised lots of us with just how she kind of showed up this season. So it would be great to get to know her.
Because like Michelle and Jesse are like my two favorite in terms of following on the show. Jesse is getting a front seat, but Michelle, she's at the end. Do you think it's maybe because they're just so toxic and hate each other so much that they just have to be the furthest distance apart from each other?
I feel like science is going in the right direction. I was asked about my age over the weekend and there was shock and amazement. There was.
I know, obviously, in terms of like, we assume the people closest to Andy are probably going to get like the most airtime. But are there other aspects of the seating chart in terms of how they determine it? What's this fan speculation?
No, it felt very genuine. Someone fell off their chair.
One person said 28. I thought that was a little crazy, but I'll take early thirties.
I know Jax will never come on this show because I think I'm still blocked. So I think that's probably a non-starter. But Jesse, I'd put in a very similar category in terms of how, in different ways, this comes across as an emotional terrorist to women. Again, Jax, I think there literally is some kind of mental health crisis going on there. Jesse seems of sound mind and sound body.
He seems like a rational person. And like, I can't, I just, how does he watch this stuff and just be comfortable leaning in? You know, like it's, you see people in other shows and other seasons, like have like, you know, maybe a bad editor or whatever, because they're just kind of messy and they're going for it and fighting with friends.
But like, again, when it comes to like this show, and that's why I love it. And so real, it's just like, we're talking about the most intimate interpersonal relationships, husband and wife, dad, parent, you know, things like that. And specifically around these men and how they talk to treat women.
It was a he.
And it's, it's one thing to be Jesse and West and be kind of like unserious fuck boys who just like need to grow up and like maybe look a little embarrassing because like they're in their early thirties, like partying at 4am. Like, It's another thing to look like you're dangerous to women or that you're like emotionally β you're an emotional terrorist.
This is the first time Natalie's hearing this story.
And I just β I want to know if they're comfortable like just being β known as that on TV. And like Jesse ended season one, had an opportunity to watch it and like no notes. You know what I'm saying? Like he's come in just as toxic, just as just terrible. And I just truly must be who he is. And again, this is how Michelle, like Michelle talks about him in this manner.
So it's just, I don't know, like it still blows my mind that he like had a thing with Anna Nicole Smith. Like, I mean, you know what? She was kind of in some ways, in some ways, I don't like, maybe not the best comparison, but like in terms of like the internet's girlfriend of every man's dream, like Sydney Sweeney is today, like Anna Nicole Smith kind of was that back then.
And the fact that he had let alone a conversation with her, let alone like maybe some kind of dating relationship. Maybe that just like fucked him up forever. Like maybe he just like, he thought he was like God's gift to human beings that like it justified him acting this way. I don't know. I'm, um, I'm mesmerized by it, but it's, um,
I was working. Natalie went out to the farm where we got married.
No dad jokes.
Nick is a big fan of Ryan.
How did it make you feel when Martha Stewart said that she says her neighbor is Ryan Reynolds and she said is not so funny in real life. He's very serious. He can act funny, but he isn't funny.
And you want to know something? He's not so funny in real life, she insisted. No, he's not so funny. How many times did you say that? I mean, good Lord. She's like, I don't know if she got my point across, but he's not funny.
I thought it was a little... I don't know. I thought it was like a little ha-ha cheeky.
Yeah, but he was at the party talking about how he's a criminal. Having a body launderer? Yeah, that was crazy.
essentially yeah yeah i mean martha's not funny right her existence is funny i think she's a comedy queen you think so yes she can be funny i think for sure i don't i don't i don't like ryan reynolds checking his mail the same time martha is and him be like hey good morning and her like well that wasn't funny so it feels like a little weird i'm sorry like is he not and i imagine a lot of times he probably is a pretty serious guy you know do you guys ever hide from
No, the backpedaling was great.
off she is shitting the bed she's shitting the bed is what she's doing and i love marissa but it's well that's the thing it's like we we we love marissa but like lately it's kind of like marissa well i think we loved you yeah i think the behavior at the reunion was gross on for my opinion like hannah and hannah yeah i mean i just didn't appreciate marissa like really honing in on like
And it's like what we're just sending like hate. Like now we want like you got enough hate now. It's like, OK, now everyone go attack him for like not thinking I'm attractive.
She was like, and I don't stand by her behavior. The way she treated Nick was unacceptable.
You jumped in.
Whoa, yeah. He was like, well, if you were so mad at me for these comments, why'd you call me after? And then Marissa was like, we all have done it. That's why I kept fucking him.
We're not saying that. I think it's just that we're saying the fact that like we got nothing from their conversation. The only thing we did get is like to find out that they were they continued fucking.
She was stirring the fucking pot. She was leaning over to Katie and being like... Well, she made you feel that way the whole time. For a whole year. And honestly, valid fucking question.
Yeah.
I think you can be best friends with her and be like, I don't support her actions. Watching that was hard to watch because it's, I think, hard to watch for anyone. But then to not even hold her accountable at the reunion when clearly Hannah has not learned a damn thing. I mean, she showed no remorse. She showed zero... It's like, yeah, I'm direct. Yeah, like... I guess he was patient with me.
okay with her talking so down to him like he never once was like well I'm not really attracted to you like he never once let it slip that maybe he's not 100% attracted to her and so I think that like shows me enough that he you know like maybe you heard this from someone and maybe that is like where some insecurities came in and why you were treating him the way that you were but his actions never once showed that at least from what we saw
That he rated her a 5 out of 10 or something? Wasn't that what it was?
He also helps me with my laundry.
But it's also like you said you weren't attracted to him either. You were like, oh my God, he lied. He said this. He said that. The only difference is you said it to the camera. You said it to the world and he said it to his boys. And then for Ramses to sit next to him and be like, okay, now's the time to take accountability.
It's like, you're the one who wants to say it's time to take accountability, but you've sat here mute for the last hour.
And did y'all see that she posted said notebook on her Instagram story?
A friend of hers posted it, and she re-shared it onto her story.
They're all making TikTok sounds to cheeky, trending music. They're all trying to go viral. All of them. Every single one of them.
Yeah, I'm deleting my Instagram. No one follow me. No one follow me. I just really came on here for love.
Oh, she looked good. Honestly, everyone looked great. Ramses came in with his little villain outfit, I will say. He was giving a little villain. And I'll ask him about if he chose that for a reason.
Nothing. He's like, well, I'm not going to explain it because no one's going to believe me. It's like, well, we're not believing you because you're not explaining anything.
No, it was like it started because she reached out about a heart condition and then it turned to fetishes. And it's like, I mean, I guess.
Are you a doctor, sir?
Yeah. Or to challenge yourself to see if you've overcome demons.
Yeah, like run a marathon. Do something different.
Yeah, that was really funny. That made me laugh.
I saw a pregnant woman holding a sign that was like, we all know you know how to finish. Yeah.
I see Team Tim's side. I see them both. Yeah.
I think it was disrespectful for Alex to take a nap. I also don't think it's that big of a deal at the end of the day. Also, I understand her being like, I worked. I had to work. I have this condition where I get tired easily. All that makes sense. I think as her partner, he could have given her a little bit of understanding.
And it's like, yeah, it felt like I mean, and honestly, Taylor and Garrett gave us an insight on how long that conversation actually went. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, they're just not meant to be together. I think once you like put your hands on someone and like call them out of their name and like he gets loud and I understand why she was doing it.
If she's like you're like getting loud and yelling and production is right outside and like they're going to want to come in and film this and like this is not something we need to have filmed. So her being like, okay, she was a lot of controlling the edit too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
But it was like, she, she could have given us what Brittany did, which is like, yeah, I'm seeing someone. And like, I'm not, that's all I'm going to say.
Yeah, we don't need I like love bliss. Love Zach. Like we follow them on Instagram. We see their lives. We don't you know, like I don't need the ketchup. I don't need the like the 80s reactions over everything.
I think she skims.
Yeah, I also am like, you can for sure have it. I mean, like, if you were losing, I would be sad for you.
But she spends time on those jokes. I do also think what's important... What's wrong with that? I do think what's important for hosts is to like...
Yeah, I think they like need to be paying attention to like the TikToks and what the audience is saying and what like is going on in the outside world while the show's airing. Like that's the stuff they need to be paying attention to because that's the stuff we as viewers want to know.
look like you have an honest opinion or a take on what we watch that you sincerely believe in and that you want to have a point of view on you know that's what i want to hear i also like didn't need to see the photos of britney and leo in miami it's like a selfie and then a photo of the watch it's like that felt like it was 10 minutes long and it's for what like okay i did like their conversation though like leo and britney love leo and britney big fans but they're like and we have footage from miami and it's like no you don't like i was well
Well, let's just wrap it up. How many times did Nick say that?
At some point, they do need to get new hosts.
I mean, how many seasons of Love is Blind are we on now? This is seven? They just celebrated their five-year anniversary during the reunion.
My bad. They're about to.
Yeah, that was brutal.
And who's the steak?
That's what I want to know. What am I? Do you guys feel like you're more pasta or steak? I'm definitely more pasta.
Yeah. Yeah. But it's okay.
Yes. Because that doesn't count.
How long do you get to say it's an early season for?
God, I'd be like, get your own. Can I have a drink? Do you also share a toothbrush? That's the water. We don't. No, Nick will take my toothbrush if we're traveling and he didn't bring one. Yeah.
Oh, really? I have like a travel toothbrush.
No, no, no. We don't share. He takes mine.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, no, no. Replaceable heads? I have a travel toothbrush and I have a toothbrush at home.
And he'll use mine because he has forgotten his. Because it's like... I'm not like, babe, I'll just bring one. That's not the conversation. It's I'm packing mine and I'm thinking he's packing his. And then we get there and then he's like... Share a toothbrush when you travel. We don't share.
He takes it. I want to make it very clear. We don't share. Here's a hack, though.
Remember that, Nick.
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Have you listened to the show?
I have a baby boy.
I want to applaud you because honestly, I feel like so many people who go through similar experiences on other reality TV shows or Love is Blind will take these comments so personally and be like, Nick hates us or this show. Like, fuck this show. I'm never talking to the show. So I do really want to like applaud you.
And we appreciate you coming on to share the context and share your side of things. A hundred percent.
Really?
Who cares? People are mad that she's, anyone who is like mad at the gender of their child is like so fucking weird to me.
So I under, yeah, I appreciate all of this context and we had Marissa on and she did bring up the vasectomy conversation and how that was included. But,
cut out of the edit I do think unfortunately the edit was against you because it was very much Marissa being like some of the best sex I've ever had is with a condom and you being like well I need to enjoy sex and I don't enjoy sex with a condom so I do think the edit was a little bit against you in that conversation you're not alone there Ramses no one
OK, but you understand everyone's opinion because you clearly had the same watching it back. Just being like, oh, no.
Weird.
I do wonder if Margot Robbie will have the same issues that I have. Leigh, I wonder if you struggle with this as well. But it is that of intrusive thoughts. And I thought that I was... just like sick in the head. And it would be like any time we did absolutely anything, I would like picture the worst thing happening.
It's like every time we're in the car, I'm like, I go through this green light and like an 18 wheeler is going to run the red light and hit us. It's like every or it's like River is doing something and she's going to fall and have a concussion or she's going to like go to bed and then she's going to sleep on a concussion. She won't wake up. It's like these terrible, terrible, terrible thoughts.
Do you think that that conversation is kind of what like ultimately shifted you to end the engagement? Not for me.
And I was like, oh, my gosh, like, what is wrong with you? Am I manifesting these thoughts? Like, what the fuck? And then we were at this event and I was talking to Sharna and Brian Austin Green. And I was telling Sharna about it just as like, you know, oh, my God, this and this crazy. And she was like, no, I have the exact same things.
You have? Yeah.
But I guess I just thought, like, am I fucked up in the head for, like, thinking these, like, terrible things? Like, why can't I just be, like, appreciative of this moment? But no, it's like, I have to think of, like, her falling or her... Anything. And Sharna was like, no, I the same thing happened to me. And she's like, you have to.
She gave me a really amazing piece of advice of just like thanking them for coming into your head and like bringing, you know, you're like, OK, now I am aware that like an 18 wheeler could come through and I need to be like be more cautious and I need to like just be more present and like thank you for bringing this into my head instead of like trying to suppress it.
uh for for both of us and i just you know wish her the best but yeah there's there's nothing there between us at the moment it's it appeared that she debuted her new relationship on halloween did you know about this guy or did the call you take you by surprise
Your reunion.
Yeah, he's happy for her. Your reunion outfit. I feel like you were kind of the cut in the eyebrows, the haircut.
No, no, no. He was like serving fashion for sure. It was just a little unlike the I'm giving like bad boy villain.
Did you feel pressured? And I mean, and I would imagine why you would if your answer is yes to hold Nick accountable in that kind of team up against him.
Did you have any nerves going into reunion knowing Marissa's mother would be there?
Well, all of your castmates said the second we met you, we would like you and to give you a second chance. So we do and we appreciate all the context you've given.
All right.
I got, you know, there's the answers that we could have gotten at the reunion, but we didn't.
No.
Like, I actually have a question. I have a question. Can I ask a question the whole time if I were in the audience? Please.
Yeah.
They definitely did. And I think that's their job.
To make creative television entertaining.
They want everyone to pick sides, so they have to make it.
I mean, I think grenade is a very, it is very specific to use.
I think it's also like there was so much time in which Hannah could have had this conversation with Nick. Mm hmm. But she waited until reunion for national television to like deliver this like you were liking comments and you called me this and you called me that.
And it's like you wanted all the hate that you have been receiving for being direct and for being whatever and whatever to go to him and for him to start getting hate like that was what she wanted. And that intent is gross.
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Well, that's the part that's like scary to me. Am I manifesting it? Like, am I like is is me thinking about these things like a sick version of myself, like hoping they happen? No, no.
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We weren't like, oh my god, they're getting a divorce.
No, it's like the couples who...
clearly hate each other and you're like all right that was like awkward to be around you're in a dinner of like eight people and two of you made it very uncomfortable for everyone else we know yeah it's like we're arguing yeah yeah it's like you're mad at him because he passed you the water like over the bread and not around the bread and it's like ma'am that didn't feel like we needed to this i loved watching the husbands try to have a meet-up
but not know what the fuck to do. John is like, all right, how do we start this?
You know, Leah, do you have the same?
The fight, period. The fight between all of them, John, 100% overstepped. Them showing back the footage, I was like, he's like, when you step towards my wife. It's like, Lisa was walking away.
It is crazy. I mean, I truly thought and thank God for Sharna being like, babe, you are not alone. Like I had terrible, terrible thoughts. And just to be like, you just need to thank them for coming.
I do care. I would be like, oh, my God, bitch, you're what's wrong with you? Like you need help. Like, why would you think that? Why would you think that just because like she swallowed a little bit of water in the bathtub that she's going to like have delayed drowning and like not wake up? Like, why would you think that? And then it's like, no, that's an intrusive thought. And like, she's fine.
Yeah, I feel like that's how it went. I don't feel like Whitney was involved.
I kind of want to hang out with Mary.
Be prepared to be red. And I want to be. I'm begging Mary to react.
She like started the internet war. Also, Bronwyn. Love. Icon. Legend. Girl boss. What's with all the shit?
And, you know.
Well...
It almost is like Justin and I have been team Broadway.
Justin, it was more of like a love ya, what's with all the shit.
You know, it's like love you, Justin. Yeah.
You don't think she's ever picked up dogs?
I think they set her up.
No, no, no.
There's no way that Heather saw it and Bronwyn did it.
But also. If Bronwyn does not pick up dog shit, why was there not another single person in that house? There was not a housekeeper. There was not a maid. The dog shitting, how many times a day? And there's no one else in the house? Maybe the housekeeper was coming later.
Come on. You think it's decor?
brianna would never i will say it was on a runway in paris we didn't train the dog to poop outside right we don't have like the most highest highest in trainers in the world to train boxers are known to be naughty naughty dogs and so the fact that like a puppy naughty the fact that she is a puppy boxer and she's not like i sorry like he's in training like there's you know she needs the bell on the door where you train the dog to ring the bell when it needs to go out
I don't know.
Definitely not to this extent. I mean, I've always had a like intruder syndrome where I always feel like tonight, tonight, someone's going to break in tonight. I'm going to be killed. Like, I feel like I've always struggled with that. But it's like intensified now that we have a child. But the intrusive thoughts like are really wild and are crazy.
I just can see Heather's side of it where she's like, at the end of the conversation, Bronwyn's like, well, you know, I was just trying to plan this party or this trip and like, you're not going to. And she's like, so this is an initiation. This was me like trying to plead my case to come on your trip.
That wasn't really, that was Britney.
Well, there's like, I'll apologize after you give me an actual apology. She's like, well, I guess I can like at times. She said, no, I think Broadway, I think Broadway very correctly owned up. And she was like, you want me to call it messy? It was messy. But that's not genuine. She's like, you're only saying that because that's what you want.
It really is.
From what we can see from the show. Her character on TV. Her character on TV.
Britney needs to be cuddled. Heather being like...
i've been there and britney's like what happened she's like it fucked up my entire life like britney needs hard love she needs like you are going to ruin your life if this is the man you continue chasing and i don't think heather needs to apologize after show kind of gave that britney was still open to her relationship but that's what's crazy it's just like you know i know it's like you know criticizing parenting is a very sensitive topic but like let's just keep it fucking real for a second like if you can go on a national television show
That's fucked up.
Well, then that makes sense for him to be like, you know, I'm sorry that that's how you found out that way. Like, that's definitely not how.
It's the woman that you are. Babe, you're constantly chugging wine.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I was about to say the fact that that has never been a question to Jen of like Ryan's like, oh, I've been in. What was he? He was on Watch What Happens Live. And Andy Cohen is like, well, Ryan, what do you do? And he's like, I've been in real estate mortgages, whatever, for the last 20 years or whatever the fuck he said.
Why wasn't Andy then like, well, Jen, then why didn't you say that whenever they were at you at they asked something inside of her might have known or. Yeah, it's like instead you were like, he likes to play in the sunshine. You could have been like, oh, he's in real estate, mortgage, brokerage.
And I felt bad too.
Cause you're a nice person.
I mean, it was a bad episode for Jen to be like, he tells me everything and I tell him everything. It's like, well, if he tells you everything.
Was Ryan involved with the interpreter and the $16 million of the Dodger player? Was he involved in that or no? Do we know?
Also, like, on Watch What Happens Live, Andy asking, like, is there a prenup? And him being like, no, like, everything. And it's like, because allegedly all of your money isn't even yours. So, like, of course you're not gonna, like, keep it from her.
Jumping quickly away from OC, why has P. Diddy been silenced? Why am I hearing nothing about this case anymore? Why is nothing coming out anymore? What's going on? Or am I just not looking in the right direction?
Can't he just text her?
Didn't they just come out with an athlete? It was like an athlete stopped Diddy from doing something to a young boy.
It's just like, you good? Yeah, like, why do you need to know, like, what, like, the tabloid headlines are spreading about, like, your girlfriend?
No, 100%.
No. Goddamn.
What was the last thing y'all Googled? Why don't you pull it up?
He'd be clear in his history. He's like, it's so crazy. My history's just gone. I haven't Googled anything since October. That's crazy. Someone must have hacked my phone or something.
We are also here pun free. Yeah.
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She's got fairy smut. No, literally, we get in bed and Nick's like, all right, good night.
And he took off her panties while her wings fluttered.
No puns.
That is crazy.
A whole new meaning. How are you feeling about Martha Stewart complaining about Ryan Reynolds, Nick?
But the Golden Globe is kind of like, they took a couple years off.
No, she's a monster. Yeah.
Yeah. Don't make changes and like you're right. Those wrongs.
Most monsters don't see themselves as. Don't see themselves as monsters.
Where is the dad in all this?
At least give me a golf polo.
Does she still not believe you?
OK. Yeah. You stand by them.
It's way before my time.
It usually happens.
Come on, Carolyn. Sit down. I've got to go to Alex. Hurry up. I have to catch a flight.
Yeah.
Are you going to get a professional juicer? Not like the ones where you put the ones where you have the oranges in there, like Jamba Juice?
Yeah, it's like they like do the whole thing for you.
It's a lot of oranges for a glass of orange juice.
I just have a feeling like Natalie's just one day. It's like surprise, babe. We're going to Florida. She's like, why?
No. Speaking of west side, Grammy's 2025 was last night. Ha!
Yes. Kendrick Lamar winning multiple Grammys.
Not great. There's a whole point where when he wins his award, they're playing Not Like Us, and they're literally playing the Drake verse, and the entire audience goes, a minor. You've got Tay Swift in the audience. You've got legends in the audience.
Not invited to the Grammys. Not invited to the fucking Grammys. You know what I thought was great?
In Beverly Hills.
I'm always a big fan of any place or space that has more bathrooms than bedrooms because it's just kind of like, this is the guest bathroom. This is my personal bathroom. And there's nothing more awkward than having to like walk through someone's bedroom to use their bathroom. And it's just like, I'm in your space.
I don't understand. But some people are saying because it's a private event and the red carpet is shielded. But I'm like, the woman is fully naked. I saw her landing strip.
There's a theory online that I'm not saying is true, but I'm like, there's a theory that's saying that because she looks so much like
I think he's a recluse. Because that was part of his storyline, too, is that he never wanted to be a part of the family events and show up to things. And I see a headline that says, Rob Kardashian's family worried he's cut off from the world. He even wears disguises when out. And that was from last year, December 19th.
Did Temptation Island start around the same time as The Bachelor?
I feel like there used to be like a night where it was like Bachelor and Temptation Island.
Really?
How do you feel?
Temptation Island came out in 2001. Bachelor premiered in 2002.
That's one of my least favorite things that TV shows do is like when they do do a flashback to when the character is a child and they're wearing the same hairstyle. And it's just like you've been wearing the same hairstyle for 25 years.
Exactly. Yeah. Bad facial hair choices like things that we all experimented in from teenage years to an adult.
This is kind of epic.
I'm not as familiar with her. Gretchen had a long run on Orange County. Famously feuded with Tamara and I believe Vicky as well. But she's coming back to Orange County this year and it's kind of a big deal. I'm really excited to see. Is she coming back as a housewife or friend of? I believe she's fully casted as a housewife.
Jen posted a video with her, Katie, and Gretchen. So it seems like this is going to be like the newbies. And Gretchen famously has issues with Tamara. So I think this is going to be a very interesting season. And Shannon also posted about Gretchen coming back saying that she was really excited to have her.
So she is replacing Alexis.
And the people have been asking for this.
I mean, I don't know. I just know it's not going to be it's not going to be quiet season. That's for sure. Gretchen kind of has made her own little space as like a homemaker.
And her husband has drama with Tamra. There's a whole thing. So you guys, it's going to be a really, really, really good season.
Now you have him all to yourself.
Honestly, the whole series needs to be recasted anyways, so sorry.
Andy Cohen apologizes for his past comments about Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag during his radio show. Andy stated, I apologize. So what I will also say is that was mean. That was 14 years ago. And what I really don't like about it is referring to her as trash. I don't like that at all. And I'm really sorry about that. So I apologize again, I guess.
Honestly, like, as much as it's not an excuse, it very much is just different. Even us watching Vanderpump Recap for...
I think she's... Wait, am I missing something? Was Matt James supposed to be on Claire's season? He was.
Yeah.
Literally.
We no longer tell your age in months.
He's just crazy. He's just weird. But you also got Boston Rob's plan word for word, like exactly what he did. Was that like infuriating watching this episode and knowing that like he's still there?
Challenge kind of is a bit strategy where because people are voted out. So it's like you have to kind of make alliances and have people on your team and hope that they're voting the same way that you are. Like Survivor is more of a quiet game. Challenge is like you've got an hour to go and talk to everybody and do things. So it's like.
He's still playing in the challenge where I'm like, he should have taken a tip from the survivors and been like, let's lay low a little bit. But he's doing like, I'm in your face. I'm aggressive. I will win. And if you go with me, then you will win, too, kind of thing. And it's like it didn't work for this game.
Bob's riding bikes.
Yeah.
Before we get to Bachelor, I have some Summer House news. What's going on? Well, Amanda Batula thinks that Craig Conover is being a little ridiculous about the Paige DeSorbo breakup. How so? Her and Kyle did an interview with Us Weekly and they're talking about Summer House and whatnot. And she says that Craig's latest moves after the breakups have left her unimpressed.
She says, I think it's a little ridiculous. I think Craig likes the sympathy from everyone. And ultimately, I think that he should have what he should have done was clear up the cheating rumors in some regards because she's really getting a lot of hate for that.
All that Craig did, from what I know, is posting that story saying, like, I was unexpectedly broken up with and people find that to be shady.
Yeah. Or like my best friend, I can no longer call and reach out to you to talk about day to day issues. And it's a weird adjustment.
That's a good point.
Well, that's the thing. She did go on her podcast. She gave her side of the story as to why she broke up.
Right.
And I think even then from the story, he never said anything cruel. And he did say that, like, to be respectful of Paige that they're both going through this separately and just to be kind. So it's like he did state that he didn't say like, oh, I don't know. I know for a fact she didn't cheat on me. But at the same time, like that's none of our business.
They don't have to speak on it if they don't want to.
You also don't have to throw shade at the ex. Like you can support your friend without having to throw the shade the other way. Because I'm like, Craig's not doing anything to you. Craig's not going out saying that Paige did X, Y, Z. Paige isn't going around saying Craig did X, Y, Z. So I'm like, why are we commenting on either?
I just got two words for you. Father God.
Start a Matt James breakup post.
I don't know. From what the women said, they were like that they've all been very respectful about giving time.
How much time do they actually get?
Like, how long is one of those dates?
But, like, the date in general, like, when they win after, like, a challenge, like, how long are you at a different location for?
Yeah, like... Oh, that's all night. Is that all night? So, like, maybe, like, five, six hours?
So, like, okay, so then there's a way for six or eight girls to be respectful of the time that they're getting.
The best is like them being like, God, like when we kissed, it was like, or like her saying, when we kissed, it was like nobody else was around. It was like, it didn't look like you looked around.
You walked up through a crowd and then said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And also the energy shift is so different where I was like, I feel like for the first group with Zoe, it was more like just like anger, feeling like disrespected where the second group, like the energy just dropped after that. They're like after party was just like, okay.
She said, I couldn't go anywhere. She was straddling me. So I just had to do, you know.
Yeah. I loved it. It's one of my dreams.
That's fine.
Okay, same. Same, she opened up. Yeah. I thought she was so cute.
No, no, Alex is one-on-one. Oh, I think... Juliana's the hand massage. The cannoli.
I was genuinely surprised by that. Yeah, they seem to really hit it off. Right from like night one. Was that not his first impression?
The age-old, like, hey, is everything good in the house? And being the person to, like, give the tease, the one to go home because they're starting drama.
Like, I'm here for you. And also, I think that he was like, you know what? There's only room for one musical talent in this relationship.
Rebecca.
They said go to the fest.
A lot of the times when they have their one-on-one dates, I do have to Google who's singing in the background.
Ashley Brewer.
Not the dead fish in the mouth.
You said I'll play it, but only my way.
All right then.
You're not short.
Even with like Angie's husband in the podcast thing where she was just like, I have it on my phone. They're like, well, we have it right here.
This person is literally leading Angie's husband, Sean, to answer a question and putting words in his mouth that the answer is given to him. So it's like he didn't do anything wrong. He's just answering a question based off of how it was presented. But like he's not trying to call you. any type of name or, you know, say that you're doing whatever with your son.
Like that's not, that wasn't the point.
Right. Storm up, storm out of the reunion. Yeah. I did not come for this.
I was like, the only thing that didn't land with her was when she was trying to call out the list of names that she's been called on the show. And they were like, Meredith, you've said some pretty.
His answer to that, too, where he was like, what did he say? As long as marriage is above average over 51 percent of the time, highly recommends commuting because he feels like you're going on your first date every weekend and his hand is a side chick. I was like, there's a lot of answers that were going on here where I'm just like, why don't you just say no?
Todd.
Yeah.
I like a no bullshit man.
Also, hot take, least favorite husband, John. Me too.
Yeah, when he was telling Todd to watch his tone.
Also, Lisa, Meredith and Heather on the couch together drove me crazy. Like anytime one person said anything about one of them, all three of them started yapping at the same time, yelling at one person. And I was just like, shut your mouths. Each one of you can answer your own question. Like you don't all need to be like, don't talk about that.
I did think it was weird that Todd hadn't seen it. I'm just kind of like if you're... Because they did say that they're watching the episodes together and looking back at their relationship to kind of see what's working, what's not working. But I'm like, I think it's weird that y'all skipped over that episode specifically. And that's coming from a Bronwyn diehard. But I was like...
And then she turned back and said, you're okay. Like, you're okay. And it was, like, comforting him. But, like, the whole thing played out very strange.
And we got the meanings behind the five diamond ring promises that he gave her after the... Did we buy that? Alleged affair. Well, he threw in what they meant. And one of them was fidelity. It's support, love, fidelity, transparency, and taking care of Gwen was the five promises that he made to her after said...
It made her feel uncomfortable, whatever was said in the text, but it doesn't mean that he was like, oh, baby, I'll see you tonight. Like, it's not as, I don't think it's as insidious. Yeah.
I'm still kind of standing by my theory that I'm like...
and Bronwyn did say it in the last reunion but it's like this this fight this need to be like best friends with Lisa and have Lisa see you and understand you like it felt like because the only person she was really upset about not giving the proper reaction was Lisa so it kind of feels like maybe even then like this was kind of like a Hail Mary in the sense of like how can I get on your level I want you to see me as a human I'm not just married to this rich older man and have no depths or have no problems so she I think she was trying to like peel back the layers and
hope that like her closest friend was gonna jump on board with her and instead it was heather whitney and angie i think it probably would have gone more positive if that would have been a one-on-one conversation with the two of them like with bronwyn and lisa it's like 100 and even then it was like lisa was like tot's gonna be so mad about this so it's like even then she was like you got upset because i didn't side with you because i was defending your husband and
But at the same time, why are you bringing it up if we're not going to like dive into it? You know what I mean? Or the fact that Todd didn't watch it back. It's just still it still bothers me a little bit. Like he does. He should know what was said. Yeah.
And Mary did say that Bronwyn is a fan favorite because she's so open and vulnerable.
Yeah.
That was actually heartbreaking.
And second guessing herself and being like, did I calling somebody being like, did I say that?
And Jenna kind of having to like spoon feed to her why it was wrong while also kind of not condemning her, but being like, Brynn, that was really fucked up what you did. Yeah. And the fact that you knew that brought that to national television. What are you thinking? And she's like, yes, I'm. You know, it's not it's because, you know, and like always making an excuse for something.
So it's kind of hard with like obviously the context of what's going on with Brynn, too, because you want to have empathy for her situation. But I do think it's some sort of coping mechanism or something from her past trauma to where it's like the truth is whatever she believes it is. And it doesn't really matter what the original is.
that is just where it gets hard to it's kind of like Erin's words in like the finale I believe where she was just like yes like you need to deal with your trauma and your trauma is correct but it also doesn't give you the right to create trauma for other people right totally I just love the what do you actually do and she's like nothing crickets no she said I do your job that's not an answer though which is not true because she does do PR for big oil so but why didn't she say that
And Sai is an influencer.
No, she said it was somebody that she sees frequently who courted her for a while and that she still sees to this day. It's somebody in her personal life that she knows. So that's why she never wanted to name anything.
Not her in her Balenciaga luxury bathroom. She was going to return.
I love her.
To be fair, I was like all the girls did say that they were annoyed by the fact that she gets to pick and choose what she shares on the show.
Sorry. So did you not have... I didn't have any of that cake or donuts. A donut, a cake.
I got chocolate for you.
I definitely have a picture of you two going into Kiss River and look at it. And it's like, Natalie's looking right at River. Nick's looking right at the cake.
Made friends.
It was adorable.
And some Amazon next day shipments. One of my favorite moments was overhearing Nick tell somebody, he goes, and this is Natalie being chill.
It really was, yeah.
Leia brought her child because Natalie's child is your child.
On deck. You might need some right now.
Must add water.
This is our guy who jumps into the pool and has a temper tantrum. Oh, this is our Rob. He looks like... How tall is he? He looks like Lucas a little bit. Oh, he's got a little Lucas gauge to him.
Oh, yeah, he does. Nicholas Van Steenburg.
Is a prereq to have a last name you can't pronounce?
Is that a prereq? He's from LA. Wait, what are his fun facts? Fun fact, you might recognize him for his modeling work. I don't, but according to his Instagram, he also has a degree in nursing at Florida Atlantic University.
I wouldn't mind waking up from anesthesia and seeing. He said, I'm smart and hot. Gaylord. He's definitely my type.
Yeah, same. And I like the cowboy too, but anyway. Oh, is he a cowboy? Decatur? Alondria. Decanter. No, it is Decatur. Is it? Why is it spelled like that? There's a spelling error on this doc, but it is Decatur. Yeah, I was like, Decanter is not a place in Alabama that I know of.
No, what is that?
You've never visited Decanter? Her fun fact is she's a graduate of Tuskegee? Tuskegee? Tuskegee? Tuskegee? Yes, Tuskegee. Tuskegee University. This guy. This is Cordell. Yes. This is Cordell. I like he's, but he's a cowboy. He grew up on, he said he learned to ride a horse before he learned to walk. Hot. I think that's what he said. What does tattoo say? It says something not kill something.
what are his fun facts taylor he was on the cover of wonderland in 2024 for louis vuitton oh my god oh that's cool like lots of models like literal models well yeah you you're half naked the entire time on the show you better be a model reality tv is full of hot people that maybe like dabbled in modeling a lot you know tom schwartz
Yeah, Wonderland. That's legit. I like that he's sticking to the bit with his cowboy hat. I was going to say to her, I'm like, I mean this with all due respect and just full jealousy of that not being my path. But I'm like, they are. They do also need to be able to take off work for two months to be in a house dating a bunch of people. So I'm like, I thought they'd hire a bunch of models.
Yeah, models.
I feel like you would be into him.
Yeah. I watched all those seasons of Yellowstone and 18.
Were you a Rip or a Casey or a Kevin Costner?
All of them. All of them. I understood it from that. And Rip. And what's the old guy's name? Him. Kevin Costner? No. All of them. No, the other. Lloyd. Was it Lloyd?
Lloyd could get it.
Hootah. Huda Mustafa. All right, fun fact. She's an influencer and trainer who sells online coaching. Given her dedication to her fitness journey, we don't see Huda giving up easily on Love Island USA, which could see her making it all the way to the final with her man.
Do we see her working out with the men, you know? With these men? Yeah. By working out, she means like... Because she's a trainer. Oh. You know, like she's going to be out there.
Yeah.
And with those guys, I don't know. Maybe if like, I think she wants like a big brawny, maybe that guy. Oh, that's your type.
I'm just trying to gauge you. I don't know what she's into these days.
After he's been like yelling at everyone all morning. Yeah, I'm like, maybe you need a fast break.
Michigan.
Austin Shepard. Okay. He looks tall. But his fun fact is that he recently moved to Florida. So I guess he's now in Florida.
Okay. That's his fun fact? That's his fun fact. That is his fun fact. Who? Okay, geography. Dig a little deeper.
Can we get the Bachelor producers to pull some fun facts out of these people?
This girl, I need a fear. What is her name? I really, Bella. Bella.
I like her. She's cute. I bet it's Bella. Her package, intro package was very cute and she seems very likable.
Yeah, they are all models. There we go. It's like they're like, we need you to have a little bit more of a humble approach to this. Like, we can't just say, like, you're a model. She's like, fine.
Okay, I, like, occasionally will ring up a latte.
Like, I go for a shot. I like to take walks. But all of these people will have stuff in common. So whoever she's with is going to have to make good coffee to bring to her dressing room. Oh, yeah.
That's a big component. Ace. This is a short king. Ace.
His fun fact is that he's a content creator with one million followers on TikTok, and his official website describes him as a DJ, comedian, model, choreographer, YouTuber, and professional party host. Oh, my God. I think we're going to like him.
Wait, was that everyone from Love Island? That's the-
Yeah, but you don't know that that's not going to happen. Yeah.
Oh, yum.
The original, but he could be the first bombshell.
Honestly, all the guys from last season. Rob. Okay, here's the thing.
But was he the first bombshell? Because he was with Leah at the very beginning of the season.
He was in Costa more season five.
Oh, okay. I think I missed that one.
Have they started filming yet or not yet?
Have you seen any previews of Ariana's outfits?
No candy past the front door. Truly, it's very strict. Okay. I love a Reese's.
No.
It was really good. I mean, it's kind of like you can have it on and sort of pay attention to it. And if you need to come back to it, you can.
It's so weird. What are they doing right now?
Watching the monitors while they're sleeping. I remember after we did the after sun, we were sitting there eating like McDonald's and I look over on the screen and it's live feed and they're all just like asleep. I'm like, this feels like such a science experiment. Like it's so bizarre, but it was so...
cool being there because i love the show so seeing like being that right next to the villa like that and then where after sun is it's kind of like on this hill above it so you can see down into it like you can see the fire pit it was very cool i loved it are you gonna go back i wish i mean last time they gave me about a three-day notice so perfect yeah i told them i was like i'll come back anytime for reals it's paradise it's just so far it's so yeah that was a quick three-day trip to fiji
I probably would. Yeah. I've been eating chocolate covered almonds on like nonstop recently. So that's not like candy.
Yeah, and losing a whole day in between and coming back and then losing my mind.
You come back on the same day that you already lived.
Yeah, and then when you leave there, you skip it.
It's tough. It was a tough turnaround.
Cabo, yeah.
Thanks for having us.
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No, I'm like, Nick, we have to get the candy for the trick or he's like, absolutely not. You cannot bring that candy into this house.
Because Us Weekly doesn't pay the monthly subscription.
I will say this was a tough watch.
I saw someone make a TikTok and they said that if you're fans of the Sierra Amanda page, you're like one of the toxic people on TikTok. Because it was like, you can't realize that these are three mean girls like being mean to the one newbie. And I honestly... I saw it this episode. Same.
Was this like a specific 2025 thing that you were like, I just don't want to. He's the one person on the planet Earth who has like made a New Year's resolution and has stuck to it. Oh, candy was yours. So you formerly did eat candy.
But like, no, I think their take on it is like this was a four week relationship or six week relationship. Like, why is she so upset? Why is she making it seem like it was some like two year ordeal? where all of them laughing while like talking about Togate. And it's like he cheated on Lexi and she's sitting right there. And if that was Sierra, like all hell would have been broken fucking loose.
We're still talking about her feelings about West. She's still not talking about... Well, she's still talking about the press he did. Him going on his media tour still pisses her off. But Lexi can't be upset that her boyfriend cheated on her. And all of the people there are laughing. And it's like, but you want respect when like he does a press tour and mentions your name?
He formerly was. He formerly was eating supper and then would immediately make four bowls of cocoa pebbles and then eat three popsicles and then go to bed.
But when Lexi came into the house, like her focus was on Jesse, not like making friendships with these girls.
But what I'm saying is while she's focused on Jesse, Paige, Amanda and Sierra are having their own summer. So it's like all of a sudden now it's like because Jesse fucked up that it's like these girls don't have her back. But like they weren't like bonding.
I don't know, but I'd love to stop hearing it.
I think this has less to do with what has happened all season and more of what happened at this reunion because it has been... How many months since they stopped filming? Like they've all gone on, you know, Sierra's been on Watch What Happens Live. Lexi's done her podcast tour.
Jesse's like they've all gone out and promoted this season of Summer House and talked about some storylines of what happened. But they had a chance to come to this reunion. and be like, you know, we love Jesse, we're Team Jesse, but we don't support the cheating. And they didn't do that.
They, like, made it, like, it was so fucking funny that he was in that room with all these naked people, like, getting his toe sucked, while Lexi's sitting there being like, And the back and forth between Sierra and Jesse of like, like, I don't want to fuck Jesse. He's like, come on, Sierra. She's like, shut the fuck up. And he's like, Sierra, your hair looks so good.
Like, it was just so disrespectful on so many levels of like, you're doing that in front of this girl who clearly is like upset about what happened in her relationship with this man. And you have just like no consciousness of that whatsoever.
Wait, so what did y'all think of the reunion? Those were our thoughts.
The sugars, as they say in the South.
It was just more like, I mean, Andy asked the question, like, do you think that's played a role in like your dating choices?
I mean, Austin and West are definitely way below her what she could get. That's for sure.
I'm also like West did come to the reunion with an apology prepared. So it's not like he didn't know that this was going to be brought up again either.
He did. And then he was like, I think he did great. And then I think when Sierra was like, if you can talk to the press, you can talk to me. And it was like, oh, and we're bringing it back up again. We're still not over the press. Like, all right, let's go.
I feel like that they're on a road for healing because at least she was able to have conversations and actually talk to him.
She said his hair looks better. No, I totally think that they needed to do that. That was great for them. I just think it was hypocritical for her to still want to push that into West but not have any sympathy of Lexi with her man cheating on her in the house. Just thinking it's so funny.
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Well, I felt bad for Lexi when everybody was laughing because obviously Andy made a point to point out being like, and the only person not laughing is Lexi. I'm like, I do think that the way that the conversation of Togate and even the name Togate being brought up, it's kind of like one of those things where it's like, I'm sure it's been a joke.
Running throughout. So I'm like, at the same time, I don't think anybody was thinking about Lexi's feelings or trying to make her feel bad. But I'm like, the entire situation is just so batshit. You went into a room for 37 minutes, got your toes sucked.
No, it's a slap in the face to everyone watching the show. Like, we're not this fucking stupid. Like, and Emeril being like, I have no reason to lie for him. Like, bro.
Come on.
He came in at the end. He was like, they were all just naked, but just like having casual conversation and you decide to lay on the bed.
It's also what, a double sized bed? Like four people sitting on, fitting on this? Like you're getting cozy. You're close to a boob. Regardless.
He didn't, no.
We had to pause it because Connor was like, what do they mean? And I'm like, because when you buy a ring, it's already going to depreciate the second you step out of the store. Because it's custom. If it's exactly what Paige wants, Paige doesn't want a manufactured like standard ring. She's going to want like something engraved in it. It's my diamonds. I want the baguettes.
Like you can't return that and be like, well, you could sell this under Craig's used.
What I need, I need to know the place when he's like, I took it back to the guy this morning. Who's the guy?
Who's the guy? Can the guy vouch for that? Name him.
No, like, I need this guy to be like, oh, yeah, here's the ring. Like, yeah, Craig... Like, that's... And where is he?
Last ditch effort.
Did you want this Birkin or do I need to return it today?
Connor couldn't understand the concept. He was like, wait, so is he is he saying that if she saw the ring that she would stay like get married to him? And I was like, yes, that is the delusional statement that is being made right now. Yeah, him being like, I wish you would have seen the ring first before you decided to break up with me.
She would definitely be like, yep, never seen him. He's never been here before. Yeah.
Honestly, yeah. Even like when they replayed the Watch What Happens Live thing, I was like, just the way that it was just like, yeah, no, I just went to the pageant and returned it. I was like, no, you did not. Oh, yeah.
Him shifting all in his seat. I just returned it this morning. Yeah.
I'll follow that show. And then, yeah, they should bring in new young people that want to be messy, that want to hook up in her house. Like even to Kyle's point about Emeril, he was like, that is kind of what the whole point of a summer house.
But it just felt weird because no one else was doing it. But so it felt like the fuck is Emeril doing here? Like, ew, gross. We don't do that because it's like we've been like with these people who aren't doing that for so long.
And the irony of it all, too, is that it's like in the first season, how we meet Amanda is because Kyle sneaks Amanda like into the house and they go like skinny dipping and they're having sex. And it's just like it's waking up everybody in the house. And it's just like you guys were Emeril season one.
I'm so happy to see you. I was so delirious when I woke up because I didn't fall asleep till five.
He does. Thank you. Also, Nick pointed this out, but the fact that Lexi, the new girl, was the only one to be like, we could have done better. Like, we could have asked you more questions.
Yeah. That was telling. That, like, no one else who'd been there, not even Kyle, his buddy, could have been like, yeah, bro, like, I definitely could have helped you, like, navigate some relationships a little bit better. No one else said anything but Lexi.
What? I mean, that's a take. Wait, what?
Well, I fell asleep originally at 8.30 and then I woke up at 11.00.
Who used them? Producers?
How did they use Emeril?
But even when Alex Baskin was here, he was saying that like when they're recasting a show, they typically go to the cast and ask if you have any recommendations, but that like
I guess what I'm saying it's just like they didn't cast people they wanted to become friends with to bring into the group to like round out the group like they didn't bring like Paige's best friend from home or like someone that they were actually friends with like this was clearly Amanda and Lexi weren't friends like they were acquaintances they'd had they'd gone to lunch before grabbed a coffee but like to Lexi's point when Amanda's sitting there being like oh my god I always wanted them like I just need them to hook up knowing that your friend Lexi is dating this man is like
Yeah.
This was Memorial Day.
I think you said that wrong. Run it back.
It's like mystery. Murder mystery.
Yeah. High stakes.
Do you have, I, that was my problem and then I got a Kindle and now I'm a book girl.
Yeah.
A little problematic. You root for her, but you know that you probably shouldn't, but then like you do because if you were in that situation, what would you do?
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So it's very different. Do you feel like you act maybe a little bit better because you are now a mom?
Absolutely.
Oh, me at the park with my 15 month old. I there will be I don't know what it is about six, seven year old who just they think she's so disgusting and will like run from her being like, oh, baby, baby. This little boy tried to like hit her with the swing and it took everything out of me not to hurt.
assault a child you know like in like the most respectful way possible of course yes but like his parents were on their phone like not paying attention and I'm like your kid is a terror on this playground so yeah I get unfortunately in those moments we can't do what Georgia would do exactly has there been anything that you've taken from your character parenting wise and related to your real life yeah
But I might as well just watch the local news. And then by the time I woke up, I was like, oh, I haven't told it. And I was like, oh, no, I don't.
Do you do any sort of character study? Maybe even like you did it in the beginning, but do you feel like you know Georgia to her bones?
We've been fighting nonstop about it because he's like not on my side anymore.
I thought it was crazy how like I have gotten so many DMs from locals.
Oh.
I feel like watching this Karen Reid trial, yeah, there's a lot of, like... You know, don't sit like this. Don't smile, but also maybe smile a little bit so that you don't look like such a bitch, but not so much that you're happy that, you know, it's like, I feel like there's a lot of, there's a lot to think about. Yeah. Like, yeah.
Yeah.
A mom who is not afraid to speak her mind.
Yeah.
Okay, thank God. We have daughters in the same almost age. What phase is she in right now?
How are her, like, is she a tantrum kind of? Yes. How are we handling those?
Yeah, it was a rough reunion. Can we retire that term just forever?
Like a nice soothing voice.
That's working the most. Wait, that's a great question. What is your favorite toddler rebrand?
I said it was a buzzword. It's another one of those buzzwords where it's just like, okay, so if I don't like one girl, but I like my girls or I've got my girls back, then all of a sudden I'm not a girl's girl because I didn't have some random...
Like some crazy stuff happens.
I feel like most of them are scary and it's, I am confused.
I honestly, I think I've only watched like the first 12 minutes as well. So she was no longer paying attention and Vic was still sitting watching.
Yes, of course. Did you just make that up?
them girls back.
It says there's no definitive evidence to suggest that people who cry while watching movies are inherently smarter. But there's evidence. It's just not definitive.
Is she closer to you or your husband? Or are y'all kind of equal?
Yeah, no, guess what? There's a lot of women I can't fucking stand. So no, I will not ride for you.
Is it easy for you to, like, slip it into conversation?
Yes.
You are, like, so in love, actually. I am. With a rock star. Yeah. I feel like we, last time you were here, did we talk about that?
Yeah. Has there been a moment where you kind of like saw yourself in that character, Zoe Kravitz, where you're like, I need to not.
But I think I will.
So I actually kind of admired it. Yeah, maybe that is. Yeah. Has there been like a highlight or favorite memory of this past month that you've had?
It's okay. We can do it together. It's okay.
That was a really, I don't know if they're doing a documentary or something, but I saw where like the first time she went out, Blue was, I don't know, like young. And the response was very negative because she had just kind of like jumped in and she was like, no, I read all those. I've been grinding with these dancers.
I don't think so. I haven't really talked. I mean, I've only recently, I guess, talked more about it. Yeah, I'm super happy.
Yeah. We were talking about Katie being in love.
But yeah, let's go do this. Had that ever been something that you had talked about publicly before? No, no, no. No, I know.
That's why, you know, I don't mind keeping it to myself. No one wants to know, so.
Mine was honestly very lovely. I got an epidural and I would love to have one of those maybe every Saturday night. Why not? And everything worked out how it should have. And my mom was there recording. Oh, my God. So we were able to, a few days later, a week or so later, once we had, like, come down, be able to look back and watch it back.
And we saw that, like, the umbilical cord was very much wrapped around her neck. And, like, we didn't know that until a week later. So, like, we were just glad that everything happened the way it did. And we were able to be as present as possible.
In one of those videos, it was really sweet. They took her to get her nose sucked out or whatever, and she was crying, and Nick went over there to her, and she just stopped crying and turned her head to him.
It was like she knew his voice, and it was the sweetest thing ever.
We're making... He's coming on disrespectfully.
that was it that was a little blip yeah yeah and it was i that was kind of one of my takeaways like oh that was awesome and magical and amazing she's here but like wait what just happened what happened like i thought that that happened already like it was a really crazy experience out of body is there a moment of your birth that you look back and you are obviously there was a lot that happened but is there moments that you can like pick and choose from that do make you happy and like
Yeah.
We're going to have him on. Yeah, once he's back from... Wait, Katie, how was it being on tour? It's fun. I like if you if you enjoy kind of like hanging out and just hang in, then you it'll suit you. But I just like being with him. So it's like I could be sharing a bunk with him or walk around Disneyland. I don't know. I just whatever we're doing. I just I just want to be with him.
Yeah, mine was fast. She was like crowning and they're like, so your doctor's parking. We'll just keep her there for a moment.
That's Jackson, Brittany, and Michelle.
You were on a tour bus.
They are truly. They really are. Is there. Did you watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Of course.
I loved it.
What is your favorite reality? Like you're sitting at home. You can turn them all on. Which one?
Yeah. It's like, how do you feel about sleeping in a sarcophagus? And then you'll know how you feel about. Yeah. For three nights, my back was wrecked. It's like sleeping in a coffin. Yeah, that's basically what it is. I mean, luckily, like, I'm not a huge person. He's not a huge guy. So we can fit nicely in there.
But then when they're super toxic, they get sent off.
Year higher. Yeah. Versus, like, all right, we're going to sit down at dinner after we just outed your ex-husband. Like, okay, let's go.
Yes. We were just, we just, we're in the South and we walked past a Sewing Down South storefront. Oh my God. How's it doing? It looks so big on the show. Is it huge? It was huge.
He's really doing it.
There was so many pillows. Amazing. So many pillows. And his face everywhere. Years ago. Truly.
I've tried to get Nick to watch it so many times.
I feel like the OG seasons. I mean, as I'm sure most seasons are. But yeah, OG is definitely really good.
Wow.
But, like, it's just every two hours you wake up and have to, like, change positions because your hips hurt or then your shoulder hurts. But I still, like, will do it. Are you, like, spooning the whole time? Sometimes it's a little bit. Like, he's definitely, like, a back sleeper. So I just kind of, like, rotisserie around his, like, sides.
There's like part five of a reunion.
That's how definitely Bachelor feels these days.
As soon as the show's airing, everyone's pretty much pumping out their TikTok trends. It's very...
Especially the part where I was arrested. Exactly. Exactly. My mom's awaiting her murder trial, and everyone at school is looking at me like I'm in the circus. It's fun. Your college essay writes itself.
Life. You will be on house arrest, monitored with an ankle bracelet until trial.
I cannot believe that this is my life sometimes. Jillian really needs us right now. I've always known my mom was different.
Mom needs me. You think you have the whole story, but you don't.
I've been defending my mom to everyone. I am trying so hard to protect her, but I don't even know if it's the right thing to do.
Yeah. I like it though. I would, you know, I'll risk back problems for it.
I don't want my mom to go to prison.
We're in this together.
Where are we riding and why do we have to die?
And the accent is so good.
Oh, thank you, guys.
Being from the South, I watched... Where are you from? I'm originally from Auburn, Alabama. Oh, my God. And then lived in Savannah, Georgia before I moved here. If you have a glass of wine, is it really coming out? Oh, when she gets on the phone with her sisters, I'm like, who is this person?
If honestly, if we have like a country artist guest people and like the amount of DMs being like that accent was so insane. It just like falls out of me, but it's really good. Sometimes it's hard to watch some people do Southern accents and it feels very like yours is, it comes off very natural. Thank you so much.
No, I'm just three. I've watched the whole series three times over.
A complicated man.
It does. I think it's going to, I don't know. I mean, you just need a bunch of like young kids who just kind of don't know anything yet.
Yeah, I know. This will be interesting.
I like Brooks a lot. He's sweet.
I like him. I think he's very pretty.
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I think Kim, no? No.
I think is he dating Kim's daughter? I think dating Kim's daughter. They're not all nepo babies. No. Some of them are just like friends from school.
Was it Sherry Papini?
Which one was that?
Oh my God. Yeah, that was nuts.
It's quite interesting. Did y'all follow any of the Karen Reid stuff?
Did you?
Oh my God. Do you think so? Do you? No. No, I don't think so either. I think they have such a loose case against her and it's all just a bunch of law enforcement.
Her guiltiness.
Don't worry, you can press pause and you can resume it whenever you want. You can control that all on the app.
I think because she had left him stranded, knowing that he was maybe locked out of the house or couldn't get in, but didn't think it would result. I don't know. Who knows? I think maybe she knows something else. But I don't think, based on all of the... TikTokers?
no no the people like the people that were testifying like the experts on like the physics of how it could happen it's just like how like crash reconstructionists yeah I was just like I don't I don't know like they all reenacted it and then it was like well you look like you're still fine after that like he got he got booped with the taillight and did a like cartoon like spin and collapse and then they're like that is what and then like asphyxiate it and then like snow got caught and then the dog attacked his arm and then his dick
The dog bite. And then the dog mysteriously just rehomed the dog.
It is also crazy.
I definitely think there was an accident and he ended up dying and they were all like, holy fuck, we're a bunch of cops and a bunch of cops' wives. We gotta cover this up. We gotta figure out a way.
like did you watch outcry what the hell was that no what was that oh my gosh it's on showtime you need to watch it it's um based yeah just watch karen when you get acquitted because i think you'll get acquitted um we would love to have you on the show truly and wait is the is the second trial happening right now the commonwealth has rested their case and now it's it's their turn so she's like she might testify could get crazy
Yeah. I think it's just because she's not really a likable person. Yeah. That people are like, I think it's easier to believe the worst in someone that you just don't care for. Yeah.
What? She loves the attention. She really is into herself. Oh, fuck me.
Oh, yeah. I watched the whole promo that introduced them all.
Yusilla.
Ulyssa.
Ulyssa.
I was about to say, do you feel like they tried to find lookalikes?
Who is our Serena, yeah.
No, they literally have a guy on there. He's like, I'm a short king. I'm like, that sounds familiar.
And wasn't he wearing like a cowboy hat?
Not that one.
That one kind of gets... He gets squared out.
He says he's a really good communicator. I do remember that.
Does he also say he's a liar?
Well, you know, he says he's three out of four times good guy.
Yeah, so Jeremiah's fun fact is that he's a model who just starred in a true religion campaign. True religion?
I feel scared about that. Religion was having a moment a while ago, so I think it's just the resurgence.
But it's also giving Cordell the, like, I want to choose it sponsorship. It's like, my fun fact, I just modeled for true religion.
Yes.
Should we go back to Ulyssa?
We didn't do her fun fact. All right. She's a mermaid. She's an entrepreneur who works in real estate, hospitality, and luxury and business. So she worked in what? That's like 40 different. So I guess she has a lot of jobs. She's rich. From Miami, Florida. She hangs out with rich guys on their boats. There we go. That's what that means. That is what that's code for.
Chelly. According to the promo, she's big into astrology and she will be judging men based on their star signs.
Perfect.
I will say I did hear both of them on a podcast, and they were both great on the podcast.
You're experiencing theater kids being theater kids.
Yeah.
Strange, the passage of time. Are we happy?
And they were the extra large size. You gotta.
Yeah. Eating stuff you're not supposed to eat and then hating yourself and your body is a natural part of the holidays that everybody experiences. We all experience it. We all do. You have to. If not, what would the holidays be for?
Is he playing George Harrison or no? I know that he is.
Which is devastating.
Jacob Elodio is George Harrison?
I don't know. Not the guy from Euphoria as the man, as Hare Krishna, all things must pass, George Harrison. He did great as Elvis. Yeah. That's right. I don't know. I'm just not huge on biopics. I will be seeing the Ringo one. I think that's going to be a lot of fun.
They're making four. Sam Mendes is making four different movies, all from each Beatles member perspective. It's like the Avengers of biopics. Yeah.
I'll watch Barry Keoghan as Ringo. But my pitch is it should be a Muppet movie. Have they come out with everyone who's playing? I think Paul Mescal is George. I like that. Barry is Ringo. I like that. Harris Dickinson is John Lennon. Oh, I like that. Is Jacob Elordi George? I'm not entirely sure. Sure.
Hey, page six.
Singing career.
Yeah, true grit. She's iconic. And then also across the Spider-Verse, Spider-Gwen.
Across the Spider-Verse.
But she didn't make money. There's no way. Nick said pull it up.
Also, didn't the first Spider-Verse movie win an Oscar? What is Spider-Verse? It's the cartoon Spider-Man. Yeah, Sony's cartoon Spider-Man movie. They're really, really good, I will say. And she plays Spider-Gwen.
She was in three.
Okay.
She's booked and busy is all we're saying. And we're very happy for her. Nick's saying that Bumblebee was her highest grossing movie.
Bumblebee, I think it was directed by a woman, according to my roommate, Cade, who loves Transformers. Oh, really? And that's his favorite Transformers movie.
She does. She's very well-known. She played Emily Dickinson. Very iconic. Yeah, she did.
Josh Allen's ex-girlfriend gets hacked? Well, maybe somebody like Nick had a really rough fantasy game with Josh Allen and they were pissed and they wanted him to suffer.
CTE brain damage is like an insanely mean thing to say with somebody that you like have had such a long term relationship with too. Right?
Yeah, that is strange. The girls got to eat before the people can eat. Was it also in Vegas?
I think those are indispensable.
She was just like... She committed to the bit.
She does. A little desperately. Yeah, I was going to say, she's been working for that paycheck and she still hasn't gotten it for three years.
I don't know. Desperate housewife.
With Teddy Mellencamp.
Congratulations. Good job, Natalie.
Caviar bumps?
If you see the plane from Stuart Little, can you tell me how big it is and how how like little Stuart Little must have been in real life? Sure.
Pack your bags. You're here for the wrong reason.
Your journey has come to an end.
I believe that too.
If only they had signed.
I think that's legit.
That's such a... I love Kristen. That is such a 2014-ass thing to say. It is. Beautiful, beautiful work.
It's vintage.
but it's also giving like 50 year old man when did he reach out and what's the timing this was like after Kristen started talking about some of the like Kardashians and yeah okay yeah Scott is known to be sent in as a pawn for Kris Jenner's
but like this is giving like the DM is giving not manipulative without the context without the context the amount of like young women he's dated this man is not like some old fart that's like out of social media he knows how to slide in a DM and he does not realize he is messing with Kristen Kristen vintage Kristen crazy Kristen with love she's got guts yeah okay guilty we rest the case that's funny
After Jessica Simpson?
Wow.
We need Kristen Cavallari. What did the Beatles ever do that Kristen Cavallari didn't?
You're fired? It's like Nightmare on Elm Street 4 and they just kill all the cast members halfway through and bring in an entire new cast.
Are they actually friends? This is the thing. I think that's what made Vanderpump so.
Kristen Doty is pregnant.
It is kind of like a really full, complete circle of the show not being able to continue pretty much because of Scandival, like Fallout. And then you have Kristen... It thought she was gone. The original Tinder in the fire that would become Sandoval. Yes. Being pregnant and being fine. And Tom Sandoval just.
That's what I'm thinking.
She was like... Yikes. She was like, my assistant didn't tell me anybody liked my post.
Start your own scene.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's one of the most famous narratives that everybody loves to see is a divorced woman reclaiming her power. A thousand percent. Like a slay divorcee. Everyone's in support.
Yeah.
Like Princess Diana revenge dress. That's what Dorit's giving right now. And that little hat.
She is. I'm like, you know it's on film, right? Yeah. They are going to play it back.
So we only did one family vacation.
Single PK.
Single PK. I'm hanging out with boy George.
Is it Bozema?
Let's just say Boz.
Obsessed with her.
Question. Are you guys a shoes on, shoes off household?
Mine's shoe dependent.
You're holding space, but you're not feeling power.
Is it another body of water?
You want to undo the frame. It was a selfie?
It's tactile.
They do.
Yeah, you could bleed. It's a lot. You could bleed. Either that or he had his assistant do like all of that. You know what I mean?
I do feel bad for her.
Yeah. I don't know if that's a popular opinion to have. Even with the Dorit stuff, I don't think she's in the right. But when I look at Kyle this season, I just see someone who seems to be losing control of their narrative and is kind of spiraling and doesn't know what to do. And this entire life that she is portrayed on TV is shifting and changing. And I don't know if she completely...
knows or feels comfortable with how to handle that and i you know like when like when they came over to surprise her with the pizza party and then all the girls left and it was just her and she like closed the door which was so dramatic but i was like oh like you're lonely i do feel for her her being like my house used to be so loud so chaotic and now it's so quiet her like calling her daughter and her daughter being like no i'm going to a movie and dinner she's like so you're not going to be home for dinner and she's
You said Titanic rules? Gone. Men first.
She definitely is who she presents to be on TV. This has maybe been one of the best moments of my life. She's ironic.
And no, this is an iced tea.
Diet Coke is bad for you. Sweetened or unsweetened? Always unsweetened. Okay. Zero sugar. Yeah.
Kids need to learn.
They do. If there is ice cream there, you better go get it or else it's going to be gone.
Oh, we're just gonna keep going.
That made my day. I need her in person.
Would you rather her pretend that she cared about her kids?
Maybe they feel like she's too comfortable.
Yeah. Not because of anything I've done. Exactly. Which is typical Meredith and something that I actually cannot defend this time. Sorry.
Why is that?
I didn't know that was happening. It's crazy.
It's incredible.
I'm with Leia. Yeah, same.
We were decorating.
And you haven't seen it.
It's the most successful movie musical since Grease. Grease held the record for 45 years or something like that. Yeah, it's insane.
But it was so funny when he was like, you came in backstage, when they asked him like what he's annoyed about. He's like, well, you came in backstage and said you don't want this whole thing to be about Paige and the breakup. And this whole thing has been about Paige and the breakup.
Yeah.
Like every question somehow went back to, and like, so how did, did Paige cheat on you? Like, and he was just like, I don't fucking know. Yeah.
I'm with you, too, where it was just like him being like he's not watching Summer House. So for him to be like, oh, no, she doesn't mean that. We had a really great relationship. It's like, no, listen to what she's saying in the episode.
Thank you. Thank you.
You kind of clocked him.
Thank you.
Literally. It's like nobody knows where they have been.
Yeah.
You wouldn't like you would forget your sock. And he was carrying his shoes at the end of it, too, where he was carrying his shoes out barefoot. And I was like, yeah.
He laid on the bed, but don't worry, he put his foot by their faces.
Yeah.
No music.
I love watching the parties, too, where it's, like, somebody else is having, like, a really fun time and then somebody else is fighting and they have no idea. Like, that's the type of parties I want to see, not, like, Sometimes housewives where you're just like, well, this is the center entertainment for tonight.
Like, yeah, I'll go to summer house party any day over like a housewife sit down dinner.
No, they do say it's like... You're never safe on that show. And the next season, you might be the favorite. And the following season, everybody comes for you.
I want Crystal to go back to Housewives so badly.
Because that was technically this season.
yeah and I kind of like miss like even like the couples trips and things like shit always used to go down and now I just feel like everything is just like either like yeah even at that point it's just like Kyle whatever's going on with Morgan or not going on with Morgan can't we at least fake a date like can't we at least well we did see that and we did see the tattoo parlor moment she was on FaceTime and like all over last season yeah yeah yeah
Go ahead. I think that Chapel Roan, I, here's my thing. Is she kind of a hater in general? Yes. And I think that's a fair, like to criticize her for kind of just like having it. Exactly. So am I. But doesn't she identify as a feminist? Yeah, I mean, I don't know what her, like, deep... I think she... Chapel Roan, I think I relate to her in the way that, like, she just says shit.
I know Kelly because of the 17 designer bags for her 17th birthday.
Yeah. What? Mic off.
I don't understand it.
Drew's already kind of questionable like from like past seasons behavior wise and like girls girl but I'm just like the idea that you're sitting here saying straight to someone's face that like no like I didn't do that I'm not like this is he's just my angel he's just my friend like I just love him so much and then it's like you have the business meeting with Portia and like her co-worker being like yeah they reached out to me about wanting to film with Dennis and it's like you're literally saying you're not doing this and yet it's being constantly proven that you are.
why would this be the look that you want to go into this season with? Especially because we're Portia Stans.
The ending scene of this episode where it was just like, okay, first of all, we kind of think you're on the wrong show with the whole, like, I've got a pistol in my bag, like, threatening her life. Where I was like, it's giving baddies, it's not giving Atlanta housewives. But it was just like, it kind of is giving a little bit of, like, rhyme and reason to why Kenya is so, like...
Yeah.
And sometimes I just say shit, too. Like, just to... We know. Like, yeah. I'm not really thinking about what's going to come out of my mouth before I say it.
It feels like it's gonna give us, like, fill that void that we have from, like, Ultimate Girls Trip being shelved. So that's what I'm really excited for.
Yeah. And you know what? Respect to that. Because I don't know if I would do well in that position, getting famous overnight. I think I would probably say a lot of stupid things as well.
And I understand why people are frustrated with this comment. And I think, my take on it personally, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I think that she is a 26-year-old lesbian who... does not like want that in her life. And she's projecting and she's like, no, every single person with kids is fucking miserable. And it made me laugh personally. Do I believe it's true? No.
I want to hang out with him. Me too.
You know what your best friend sounds like.
Me too.
Did I think it was funny? Yes.
They can't go to the Pink Pony Club anymore.
Yeah.
That could be it. I mean, I don't want to speak for Chapel, but yeah.
I will say I'm in a group chat right now and we're talking about a party and my friend invited one of my best friend's kids as well. And she's like, she said, he said, your son's invited too, didn't have his phone number. And she said, 1-800-POSSESS-DEMON-THREENANGER, send help. And her son just turned three, and he's developed new behaviors, you know?
So that's why I'm also kind of like... So maybe that's where Chapel's getting it. Yeah, where it's just like, she loves her son. She's happy. She would never, like, want to give him back or anything. But, like, it's just like, she's like, nope, he's going through stage right now, and I don't know if I hate him.
at all it definitely is a privilege but I think what she's saying like her take on fame is really interesting because it's kind of saying what everybody knows out loud about her level of fame and how it happened and how people treat
Oh, yeah.
Maybe.
Well, I know it's my winner one, and I'm happy. Team Jules.
I don't know. It seems like they're unbothered by it, which I love. And I started following Juliana and I can't wait to see photos from their trips and hopefully they don't get pay any mind to anybody talking shit about their relationship. Because what do they know?
Come on now. Come on now.
Yeah, like it literally went from like, oh my God, I'm so happy to be here. Come on.
Have you guys ever seen that SNL sketch? It's like old Sherry O'Terry and her whole thing is just saying, Simmer down now. Simmer down now. Simmer down now.
Eat. Eat.
I enjoy watching her figure it out. And I don't, I think that she's a real true diva that we're getting in pop music.
And I love a diva. Mariah Carey says shit. You know, Lady Gaga says shit. Chapel Roan says shit.
I don't think that... I don't think, like, how... I don't think they... You have to be a role model.
Like, you can choose not to be a role model.
Troll.
I will say he didn't help with the post of her with irreplaceable playing over it. Have you seen that?
No.
On his main feed, he posted a photo of her. It's an amazing song. Now it's Beyonce, but it's like, you must not know about me. Like, to the left, to the left, all the things you've owned in the box to the left. Like, it's pretty much a breakup song, but he posted it about her because I think he just was like, She's irreplaceable.
But he did post a story that said, really tried to play nicey-nice. Nicey-nicey. Where I'm like, who do you think he's talking to?
He's trying new things. He's being experimental.
Lyrical genius. Yes.
Just hope he's doing well. Never say never.
Apple, you might be on to something.
Yeah, absolutely.
You're like, can I also add a hint to it?
Sorry, we're buffering. Same. So that's perfect.
Days. Okay.
Wait, where? Oh, yeah, right in there. Oh, I was like, all I see is a really beautiful stream. It's a river.
Excuse me, little aqua.
Oh, is it?
Oh my God. So that's why the dog is near the river. Literally. Well, no. Oh.
No, this is real. No, there's always that panic in the middle of getting a tattoo of like, do I like it right here? And then it ends there like, do you like it?
And I'm like, it never does. This is my dog Booger. I need to get another one of my other dogs. They're alive.
No, she's just a tough bitch.
Everybody's getting past my do not disturb. I'm like, how is this happening?
It's going to look like one of those vintage rapper t-shirts where it's just like, oh, my dog.
I mean, as much as she knows that she's like a dog. Like, I think so.
Yeah, when I. Booker comes. No, she does her own thing. She doesn't give a fuck. She's like Northwest. In my household, it's bleak. I'm like, got it. So you run this shit and pay no bills.
Like I'll be like dinner and she's like, shut the fuck up. I'm sleeping.
Yeah, and I'm like, that's so crazy of me to have spent $150 on your fucking dog food.
I see the peas. I'm like, you eat better than I do.
Oh, thank God. I was hoping.
Oh, no. I mean, I didn't even know we were uphill, so I'll take it. How are you? I'm great. I thought I missed this, so I am ecstatic to be here.
Yeah, I really thought I slipped right through it.
No, like I wake up early, but I always sleep with my curtains open. So like, I know, I know, I know, but I'd rather wake up to like sunlight than an alarm. Like an alarm.
No, well, she is, but she's not with us. Well, like in L.A. She's very much with us, just for the record. No, no, no. She's usually my alarm clock.
Just to be in this beautiful slumber to all of a sudden hear... Yeah, we've totally normalized that and I'm not okay with it.
Oh my God. If I hear one more thing about the goddamn hat.
Is it the thing that the light also gets brighter?
You're waking up to sunshine also. I'm just using the real thing.
Well, I have two stories and I sleep on the second floor for a reason because I too don't want Peeping Tom.
If he's putting in all that effort to look at me sleep, then I'm fucking flattered.
Are you in a part of LA that doesn't have... No, I live... So I have a house in Delaware and an apartment in Williamsburg.
We met in Williamsburg. Oh, we did? Apparently very unremarkable for you, but I really enjoyed it. I was like, wow, I'm really not great at remembering things. Oh, that's so fun. Where?
They changed the name.
Classic razzle dazzle.
Yeah, like, thanks for hooking it up always.
Thanks for making it feel like home away from home. You can have that one.
Nothing that I think would make me seem smart. So like us?
Oh, I'm not talking shit. I'm just saying that it's not like... National Geographic. Who watches TV to get smart? I don't know. There's like people who like someone's got to be watching those TED videos on YouTube. Yeah. No, I'm watching Mormon Wives, obviously. Real Housewives, although we're on the hiatus.
I love Salt Lake City. It can do no wrong. I'm like a late comer to the Housewives. So I started with Beverly Hills like season 10. And then we're the same.
yeah and then salt lake happened and i was like it was like the jen shaw season two and i was like whoa so this is like real housewives mixed with a crime doc this is amazing and so then i was watching season two and i went back to one um bad sisters on apple tv oh what's that oh is that good oh my god it's like this irish or scottish family i don't they're uk as fuck but oh i never know how to describe shows without just absolutely giving the whole plot away
It's like five sisters who don't love the spouse of one of them. And it's like White Lotus, but... Reality TV. No, no, no, no. Yeah, that's like maybe the one... I was like, Apple Plus is doing reality TV?
Thank you. Or just really terrible with money. Either one. Or kind of a snob. How much is that monthly subscription? No, see, that's why I never say Bad Sisters, because I'm like, it's the one, I feel like, higher brow show that I watch that I'm like, Bad Sisters. I like throw that in there so people don't think I'm... Have you watched all of Modern Wives season two yet?
Oh, I finished it last night just for this.
Okay, Brittany Bateman is my favorite Little Housewives Petri dish. She is a study and a half.
No, she is amazing television. Like Lisa Barlow level amazing television.
That is like so Britney.
Like it's Britney, bitch.
This is giving very much like what I fear every day of my life that I'm like accidentally stealing $100,000.
I can get away with $15,000, right?
She's kind of like a woman in STEM right now. I didn't know that.
Yeah, she's a CEO.
The deal's already signed.
If she's not having a Naomi Campbell sort of exit from prison, send her back.
Be wearing the vintage Dolce & Gabbana, like, whatever the fuck. And strut.
Oh, so I started the season out with a ranking. Oh. I mean, okay. This was, like, after the first episode. Like, I found a cast picture, and I, like, did the whole ranking thing. Hold the one. Hold the one. Hold the one.
I have Taylor at first, Mikayla at second, Macy at third.
I just, like, they seem the most understanding that they're on television while also, like, people in the world.
There's, like, something that's, like... Yeah, it's, like, will mom talk survive? But, like, also, like, is my friend okay? Yeah. Like, there's something, like, nice... There's a heart in there.
So, like, I kind of fuck with them for that. Four is Demi, which... That slipped quite heavily. Five is Jessie. Six is Layla. Seven is Jen. Eight is the new girl. And nine is... Five more people than Whitney. And nine is Whitney, yeah. Whitney moved up the season for me, though. Did she? Well, I don't know if she moved up or if just a lot of people moved way past her.
That is so interesting because I was thinking about that also when I was looking through this. I was like, how was I ranking this?
No, that I understand. But it's also like... She's like stirring the pot while I'm smoking it. And I'm like, I love this.
It's fascinating.
No, I really wish there was, like, a behind-the-scenes show that, like, she gave explanations for all of her actions.
Oh, my God. Wait, this is... It's just... Nick, you're never gonna... Not the... No.
Wait, is that Hilary Duff's husband?
I've been doing this so much lately. You have? I know. Why? What is she doing? Because it's like you do this and then like... There you go.
And then scissor and then everyone's...
I would say I didn't do an official ranking after last night, mostly because I fell asleep immediately after it was over. But Demi is definitely towards the bottom. I don't understand... I don't understand what her plan of attack is. I don't think she has a plan, but she seems like she does.
So the character is... No, that's what's hard about reality TV now is that, like, before, it was like, oh, that's the person. Yeah. Now it's like, is this the schtick or the person?
I'm so sorry. Oh, no. It was quite lovely. Oh, good. You should listen to it. I mean, I'm so happy for everyone.
Zach didn't... Well, I was curious because we had Zach in because I thought, honestly, like, I thought, okay, you know.
Oh, yes. Me three.
No, it just felt kind of desperate. What does he have to gain?
Like his family. Well, sure. Kids and a wife. Yeah.
Guilty, Your Honor.
You're not alone in your opinion. I just, like, it all felt very convenient that he's like, I've seen God. And I'm like, okay.
Okay. And not get any of the credit? You're raising points for sure.
When she was like, look your narcissist eyes in my face, and I heard something, I was like... I was like, shit, if someone said that to me, I would be swinging. Yeah. And not in the way that they are. I would be like, yabba-dabba-doo.
No one's backing them up.
They're like, I don't get what's wrong. And I'm like, well, let's look inward and then also read the room.
They're like, right, everyone? This is how we feel?
Oh, okay, now no one wants to talk. I'm like, oh, my God.
It's, like, unreal. I kind of live for it. It's inspiring.
After that performance was a crazy way of.
Honestly, though, Christmas, if you're going to fuck with one of their parents, Taylor's mom is not the one. Oh, my God. I mean, or the dad.
The whole Paul family.
And she's like, all right, I'm done.
Exactly.
gag hero i was like literally the follow-up was so good no i taylor like really she definitely needs therapy but like wow what a fucking inspiration yeah the like just unabashed honesty where it's just like so how are you doing at the like uh meeting on the couch and she's just like well i could say something about you but it's not going to be nice so and it's just like
But she still at least owns up to it, and I think at least owns it.
Oh my God.
I don't know, but I can't wait to watch.
Well, consider me hungry. Yeah.
I don't feel that I have all the information. You're smart. It's just like, I'm not going to judge yet. I guess I'll have to watch season three.
But isn't that like how the show started? Was there, we're all kind of stepping out.
She's like, oh, I thought we were kind of still doing that.
But also, are we going to talk about the subtle hot mic moment with Demi outside the bakery store? Which, by the way, can we talk about how Salt Lake City has a literal baking goods store? As it should. Like a wall of sprinkles. I was like, wow, that's kind of cool, I guess. The Michaels of cooking.
And when the cameras are down, and that's when you know when they're talking. She's like, I just think it's weird. You're defensive.
No, he was shook. Also, do we think his jaw is real or filler?
Oh my God.
Oh. Yeah. Must be nice.
That is a great way of putting it. The jawline is wild. People are just hot, you know? No, totally.
Wait, no, that's so real though. So many of my friends have had babies and I was just over at my friend's apartment and her baby was there and I was the one playing. I was like, oh, we should make ring toss out of it. Like I was fully enthralled with like infant toys. I'm like, this is telling.
Oh my God. Yeah, but that's like,
I have like a past, like I've lived a hundred lives. We love that. Yeah, I went to school for photography at NYU. And so I thought I was going to be, no, it just means that like I had a ton of student debt. But yeah, I thought I was going to be a photographer and then I've not done anything with it.
Remember when TV shows used to have 20 episodes in a season?
Thank you.
I know. They're really pushing the needle forward.
That's what I, that's where I'm always like, can we at least get like a timestamp where the last scene was filmed?
So I know how far this is.
I'm like painted gray.
I'll do it.
I am doing live shows. I have a show in Seattle tomorrow, Portland, but I'm on YouTube. I just launched a new podcast, Chris vs. the People. Love.
tiktok instagram the whole you do a lot of crowd work and you're a stand-up yeah yeah you like uh i love it yeah i've been interviewing people on the street in new york for like over a decade a question you would ask me if you were to stop me on the street um pull one out of the files see i always have to let me look at my notes oh yes of course oh i love like the oh if the purge was real who's the first influencer you're hunting down oh my god
So who? Come on, little miss I want a question.
I want to rob her.
Wait, James?
That brings me so much joy. I'm a hater at heart. No, he's kind of, he's truly a horrible person. He's repulsive and I will die on this fucking hill.
Oh my God. This is what it's like me on a carpet. Oh my God. When paparazzi have morals and don't give a fuck, you've done something bad.
sorry guys we this is this we can't everyone's like oh it's the pedophile no we don't want to be complicit yeah paparazzi having morals is crazy not on the big go card but like we're getting somewhere here something is healing something i don't know what not sure at all something uh chris uh please come back man you're welcome anytime i would love to you need a floor rug i'll be it uh it's great to have you thank you so much and where can people find you on social
Just Chris Clemons. You can search Chris vs. the People on YouTube or wherever you get podcasts. Yeah. All right.
Thanks to those fans.
Remind me again of that.
Man, that's a good call.
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And what was your relationship like a month before you left for the show?
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Ashley and Grant, two of you were together for two and a half years, is that right?
A year and a half. On and off before. On and off as well. Yeah. Okay, so what was the state of your relationship before going on to Temptation Island?
It was?
What happened at the beginning that caused resentment?
What was the cheating like?
What did you do? Did you go home with the girl? Did you kiss the girl at the bar?
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Ich war nicht an Ashley. Und das war in den sechs Monaten, die ihr schon hatte?
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Did you call her names outside of Ashley?
She said that there were things that she wasn't comfortable saying that you said to her for the sake of your daughter and the mother.
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I wanted to make sure, after everything was said. Lino, I want to throw it back to you. There has been some chatter online, kind of accusing you of if there would have been a woman that you had a connection with, maybe you would have cheated. Do you agree with that, or...?
War es jemand von euch, der die anderen so schnell verurteilt hat?
Okay, lass mich das wiederholen.
Well, I mean, we're going to be on national TV.
They're so happy he wrote it down. Me, talk shit. Did they say something?
A hall pass?
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Why was that a bad thing to do?
Did the two of you do couples therapy or did you just kind of work together, just the two of you?
Du hast die Insel mit Kay verlassen. Was ist passiert?
Ja, ja.
Hat sie das Show gesehen?
Hast du das gesehen?
But can you acknowledge how it can be hurtful?
I understand. What are you feeling right now?
What do you feel like is hitting you the hardest here right now?
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Ashley did refer to you at the final bonfire as a serial cheater. Is that a true statement?
Hypothetically speaking, if your daughter grows up one day and comes to you and says, Daddy, my boyfriend cheated on me, what advice would you give her?
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You still supported it? Really?
And who did? She did listen to our debate.
And they have to all have their moments or else it is boring television. Yeah.
It does really bother me that the women don't speak up in moments. I feel like it would make for such better television if at that table when Sutton is saying, yeah, our wallets don't match and this and that, and all the women are kind of like, ooh.
So she does have a take on our debate.
Oh, but no one wants to speak up and say anything and kind of like, you know, it's like you stand up for like what's right and what's wrong and like none of these women have anything to fucking say.
All Erica did was, you think you're bigger than her?
I can't wait to ask her, is it Ion? Are we calling her Ion or Chanel?
Do you think he's been forgiven for slapping Chris Rocker now?
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You don't think the Oscars like, yeah, sure. Will Smith, we can trust you to come back and not assault any of our presenters.
I know the frustration also of just knowing something is true, but there's just no way for you to prove anything. So you're just like, there's nothing for me to do, but like, that's just not true. Like him being so hell bent on you, like spending the night with him before you left. And it was like, your girlfriends were even like, no, she was with us.
And he's just like, I don't know what to believe. I was screaming at the TV.
Or was it Dave being like, I'm not allowing my friends?
Have you seen, I mean, I'm sure you have, but your ex's, not even ex, what are we calling him? Your friend, your ex friend.
Yeah. Your ex friend's Photoshop pictures of him in the Love is Blind cast.
Yeah. Like you look crazy. Why are you, you're not on this show? Why are you trying to act like you are on this show? Like that does scream a little delusional to me. So it would be hard for me. And obviously I guess what Dave didn't see any of this stuff during filming or anything like that. I mean, I know your friends were kind of saying to him, like,
he was DMing us or texting us saying like should we blow up this wedding like love is blind blah blah blah whatever which would scream to me like maybe this guy isn't as trustworthy as some people think he knows Dave's people they have like a mutual friend very Minnesota they have like a mutual friend so they knew of each other I'm from Milwaukee I get it as you're gathering yeah exactly
Watching it back, that hole in the kitchen where you're kind of cooking, preparing for the friends and this kind of all explodes, watching it back, did you have any like regrets of what you wish you would have said or wouldn't have said?
I agree. Did you see that people think Millie Bobby Brown is going to be Britney Spears in her biopic?
I will say, I feel like the fact that he couldn't, you being so vulnerable and saying like, I'm feeling really disconnected from you. Can you please stay here tonight? And him saying no, I think was the biggest sign of like, this man should not be your husband.
With some Y2K stickers on it. It's going to be a no from me, dog. I don't think they can do someone from England to play Brittany. I'm sure she has a great little Southern, but no, come on.
Especially without you there to be like, that's not true.
Random question, but going back to your first night on the honeymoon vacation, whatever we call that in Honduras, you talked about getting like a bikini wax and you were like, I can't work out or have sex for 24 hours. Like I'm really bummed. And they kind of made the cutting of it, made it seem like you were saying you're really bummed that you can't have sex. Is that where you're referring to?
Or are you referring to like not being able to work out?
Honestly, it read that way of just like, that's not what, yeah, that's definitely not what she said.
Going back to that moment in the kitchen, I kind of stood on this like he was platforming information that wasn't true on your end on national television to kind of like, in my opinion, shame you for like your choices in your sex life. Did you feel that way or is that me just like projecting my feelings? Yeah.
And so it's like, if to me, it's like, if he genuinely cared about you and thought about like, Oh, maybe there's like,
For some reason, that word will always be jarring to me.
But it wasn't a prosthetic. It was Patrick Schwarzenegger's real dick. Good for him. Yeah, he said, I know where my eyes went.
Was it big? It definitely was like.
Well, they honestly all look the same.
What did you think of the whole Ben and Sarah? Did you watch that kind of where he had an ex from four years pop up?
So she's getting support under her post being like me too, girl type of thing.
Left out hookups.
He was leaving his YouTube business cards where he was a YouTuber.
Yeah. I wonder what his YouTube videos were of.
do we i mean the internet's written yeah you know like he's giving these to women he's had sex with so like what is his content interesting i'm even more intrigued now any other questions for lauren before we let her go lauren is there anything else you feel like you want to clear up whether it's like something you saw that you felt wasn't portrayed as you remembered or or maybe just like before the next batch comes out giving us any a
She didn't say she hooked up. She said she saw him. She didn't say that she hooked up. What else do you do with your friend, buddy? Actually, on the show, she said they got ice cream.
I mean, she confirmed mine. She definitely confirmed mine of that. She felt slut shamed. She felt judged.
Well, thank God.
Which I do feel like is a huge red flag in general in relationships. Like if your partner can't, like,
put their pride aside and like just be in the same room as you or just yeah work through it together you know just like talk through it and you know even if you're like let's platform this let's talk about it tomorrow but like we'll just watch a movie we'll get dinner like it'll be fine he couldn't even do that he was like I gotta get the fuck out of here yeah that was it it was Lester to sleep alone in this apartment that's not even hers like
It definitely wasn't like the Ben. Ben of it all when confronted by Sarah, you know, was like, I don't remember. I don't know.
I saw it a while ago. I know, but I think just like the little bit of caginess that he did have just of like already seeing the video and not showing it to her or bringing it up to her, letting her find it on her own and then being like, yeah, I already blocked her. I forgot what happened. Like that's a little cagey and would give Sarah reason to be like, I don't know.
I'm kind of struggling with believing you.
you know what i bet i bet dave like is probably like my perception of him is probably correct and he like is listening to the show to only like get like what he should be saying from you you know he's like no no no no i like you know it was hard because the rumor yeah i really messed with my brain he's looking at the corner of the zoom screen he's taking notes for the reunion yeah for sure yeah
Mysterious and important. No. Have y'all started watching Paradise on Hulu? No, but I've heard about it. We watched the first episode last night. Uh-huh. I think it's gonna be, like, one of the best.
He hasn't slept since finding his husband. He's been awake every single night.
The sun is like a big light that's pointing down and it's everything.
But I would love to have your kind of skin. So it's just, it's turmeric and honey.
I will be.
So relatable. So, Will Smith.
Oh my God. Was that crazy? Babes.
What are some of the rules in Dubai that obviously we don't have here in America?
Yeah, it was a group.
Yeah. No one has spoken about it. It really is gentlemen.
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a unique thing for them I think it's interesting conversation because I think like me being from the south it's very like obviously people take being nice as flirting all the fucking time if I acted the same way I act in the south here in LA like it would be scary because men would be like
You know, in the South, you go to like the grocery store and you're talking to like the bagger and you're like, oh, my God. Like, I love that shirt. You look handsome today. Yes, sir. Like, oh, yes, sir. And I was there. Yes. You know, you have like a conversation, a little banter with someone. You make them laugh. If that happened in L.A., they would like follow you to your car. Yeah.
But did you ever talk to Tom Sandoval about stealing your gold?
You didn't DM him?
Yeah, yeah. We see that you're friends with Sam.
You are very open about this like forced genital mutilation. Can you talk about that? What is that? Okay.
It's something you went through. I think anyone who hears this story would think that that's a terrible thing to do to children.
Why do you feel embarrassed by it?
No, and I think the difference is, like, Kate Hudson being like, she's not trying to, like, take these people home or, like, fuck them or kiss them or, like, she's just, like, I think what Kate Hudson is saying is, like, she's nice and her way of nice is, like, taken as flirty.
When did you realize that what they're doing to young girls is not okay?
After you found out, did you go back to your sisters? Did you have questions? Did you let them know?
And do you feel like the more awareness around it, it'll kind of put more pressure on them to stop doing it?
Well, it is really brave of you to talk about it. Obviously, it is something that like you even mentioned that you're kind of scared about and that people in your culture are scared about. So I do really applaud you for talking about that.
Well, I'm sure she's also flirting with their wife, girlfriend, partner as well.
You did. You were tweeting some funny things throughout Trader.
Are we still tweeting funny things? Have you stopped or no?
There was a nice end to the reunion moment that they had between her and Brynn. So, you know.
I think if you if you have intentions of like wanting to do something like if your intention is not is like anything more than just being nice.
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I would do that. Every morning when you wake up, I say you were the best-looking guy in America.
Your long distance roommate.
No, I want to get on a plane that has a shower.
Not that I would use it, but.
She said Will Smith went and took a shower.
gourmet food they have like a full on like living room for you to hang out with for your personal yeah like a full bed to lay down in we gotta do this like it's $20,000 ticket oh my god at some point in our lives manifestating we will be on Emirates at some point manifestating at least it's an experience listen manifestating manifestating let's start you gotta get out of row 50 first I have to get to row fucking 1 before I get to Emirates so
Yeah, if Kate Hudson is saying someone is looking sexy in the grocery store, maybe. I want to be in that grocery store. I would like to be called sexy by Kate Hudson. I would.
If you're teaching your kid a TikTok dance or a trend on TikTok, like that's exploiting your children. Having your children be a part of your social media and just like showing your daily life of like your children. Is this a privacy choice?
But I think this is like, clearly she has talked about how she has hated her body. Her body like feels like it's betraying her or whatever, whatever. And so to now be pregnant, it is a sense of like, wait, I do love my body. Like it's growing a baby. Like it's, And to like be able to have appreciation for her body and love her body again is like totally healing.
I totally see what she's talking about. I mean, people talk about all the time, like, you know, me, myself having childhood trauma and all this stuff and like trauma of just like how I was parented and stuff like that. It's like having River is like healing my inner child because I get to parent her the way that like I wasn't.
And I get to give her the childhood that like I didn't have or whatever, you know?
Well, Wes Wilson did support kind of our claims about Lindsay Hubbard not really having a choice about next summer. Wes Wilson thinks there's no way Lindsay Hubbard will be back for Summer House season 10. He responded to the question by saying, there's no way. I don't know. Unless they bring the baby. I don't think I can babysit. I don't know how that works.
I think this is definitely a Wes Wilson opinion.
I don't think anyone gives Wes Wilson insider information, but I do think that it's like, I mean, I had the same thought of like, how the hell is she going to make this work? Yeah.
Exactly. I do tend to side with the sinners. Who do you think is the most underrated?
Season one, we didn't really get to see it all. And then post season one on TikTok, we're like, oh, okay, you're spicy, you're fiery. And I feel like this season we're going to see Mikaela.
Justin just plays that video of her dancing.
She's shameless and I appreciate it.
I don't think so. I'm sure it's like share the wealth, but I just kind of feel like maybe like Wells is going to be the like daytime everyday bartender. And then I feel like for maybe rose ceremonies or like maybe like one on the like date situations, like maybe she'll be hosting like her own segment.
That's the question.
I mean, I personally wanted Wells to have Jesse's job. So that's where I'm like, I don't know, bringing in a third, how we're balancing the time.
Right.
Yeah, Kirsten. Kirsten, Michelle, and Jesse.
Honestly, I know everybody feels like it's too dark.
Dark, yeah. I was like, but I'm even Jackson and Brittany. I hate to say it.
He's great with one liner.
I did wonder too if the reality of it all is that he wasn't expecting Brittany to say certain things out loud while they were filming that scene. So that's where I'm like for him to react that way or be like, fuck this, I'm not filming.
That's why I was like, I feel like this is pretty raw for me because I'm like, it reminded me of like Shay and all that stuff where it's just like getting your dirty laundry exposed and knowing that like 95% they are going to use this.
She's like, well, it was the guy from Baywatch. She's like, you know, I know. So here's everything.
Who is Sue Happy? But also, he wants to move his daughter out to be with this person, and she's got all of this stuff that you're just now finding out about her.
I feel like this has been a long time coming. It has been. It has been. I'm excited. I'm ready for the torture chamber. All of it.
No, no, no.
I appreciate it. Yeah. No, thank you for for your support of the shows.
Sure. So currently I run a production company and we make a bunch of shows, including The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, The Real Housewives of Orange County, Vanderpump Rules, The Valley, Kristen Cavallari's new series, Denise Richards series, and then a few others that I can discuss soon.
For the sake of clarity.
Sure. Okay. Which I prefer to to sort of some of the exits that linger over a couple of years where a cast member will come back to the show, but not sort of be into it spiritually. So I like the the, you know, the the clarity of it. I liked how definitive she was about it.
Well, it really isn't scientific. So we have a series of conversations and obviously we sort of have them through the season as well. But I would say that between kind of doing an assessment of the current group and then seeing what our casting yields, then we come to something of a consensus.
Casting is sort of a process that starts with asking the current group who's close to them, who they know. And by the way, they may actually share that with us. They may withhold that from us. So it depends. You know, they have various sort of reasons for that. So we take a look around and then have a bunch of conversations and it isn't casting for one thing or another.
So it's sort of always say people think that we have archetypes in mind and we're looking for an X type. We're really not. And people come in the form, you know, that they are. So, you know, meaning that it might be nice to add someone who is married to the cast, especially, you know, this current group. Right.
But if you find someone who is single or is going through a divorce and they're a compelling person and they have real relationships with the group, then that's the direction you take. Interesting.
Do the ladies of the cast that's already cast, do they get a say in who comes in? Or can they push back if they're like, I don't get along with that person? Or is that something that would get that new person on quicker?
Yeah, I think they end up realizing over time that ultimatums are a very bad idea. Yeah. They pretty much never work out well. I think that we take into account what the, obviously, what the complexion of the group will be. And so we don't want to bring someone in merely for the sake of revisiting an old feud or something like that.
But they definitely do not get a say because I don't even think that you could assemble a show. If everybody got a say, got a vote, I don't know what you'd be left with.
Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I think you want to see a progression of story in their lives. And I definitely think that you want to you hope that they in real life move on from, you know, sort of the sadness.
of the uh the separation onto what's next they weren't all there this past season so they were you know in various stages of limbo and the one thing we would never want to do is fake as though they're dating so we just don't do that we don't you know look for suitors for them it's a you know Not what we're there to do. But I agree.
I mean, I think you want to open up their lives as much as possible. You don't want the show to become insularly about what's going on in the show itself. So it can't just be all about, you know, memes between Kyle and PK.
So so definitely the hope is that that you see, you know, sort of everything that's going on in their lives. And I do think, you know, the next frontier for them might be, all right, what do we do after the marriage is over? Right.
Definitely. I mean, I think that when it's a really cohesive group and when they put it all out there and when they hold each other accountable and when they know even more than we do as production and they call each other out, but they do it because they're all in it together. Yeah, that is my favorite.
You know, I mean, I'm often asked to divide a favorite cast member. And I would say, you know, that varies daily. It depends on who is doing their job.
Yeah. I mean, I think there's two kinds of shows that I'm a fan of. I think some are shows which just marvel at how well-made they are. And there's so many of those shows. And so I've always thought Top Chef is really well-made and I can appreciate that as a viewer.
I look at other shows that are in the docu-series genre and you'll see when Summer House has a great season and they're fully dialed in, then there are times where you watch a show like that and you're like, Why can't our cast just do that right now?
We hope so. We're kind of figuring that out. Really enjoyed making it. It's fun to make a half hour comedy. And the thing that I liked about it is it wasn't overly broad. So it wasn't one of those set up family shows, which can be fun, but are stagey. I like the fact that they're very distinct people and they've obviously had a unique life. I think seeing them sort of
grow up over the years and not really knowing them, but seeing them sort of in the shadows. It's fun to see them now as young adults. And Denise is great. Denise is just, you know, who she is. It was fun for me. I went to the meal with Charlie Sheen. So it helped kind of, you know, arrange for that to happen. And I went to that.
It's just, it's fascinating for me to watch as a viewer, which means, you know, I think the audience will feel that way too.
The lore?
Truly.
And now he has a great neck.
He does have a great neck. Well, it's really funny. And Denise looking to camera then was really funny. See, I'm also, it's funny, on sort of looking to camera and breaking the fourth wall, I have mixed feelings about it. So I like it when it makes the show more real or there that's her expressing herself. I do not like it on the shows.
I think when the cast is very self-conscious and when they're playing to the audience. But I thought that moment was really fun. It was very Denise.
Yeah, I mean, I'm excited about it. I you know, the big thing that I keep emphasizing is we are not trying to do the thing that we did before. We're not trying to make the show that we did before. You can't do that. It's very big, you know, shoes to fill.
And so we recognize when we announced it in the first place that we would be met with some skepticism because the audience hasn't yet had a chance to fall in love with the new group and the new show. But I think we're going to win people over. So I think it's, you know, getting back to core principles. It's a very tight knit group, works together, lives together, does everything together.
Um, and I think it's really fun. I think that, um, you know, it'll be all of the things that the audience loved about that show in the first place. It'll be, you know, messy and, uh, just a fun ride question I have for you.
I was going to say, this is starting off.
Yeah, it's hard. And I think that it's changed a little bit through the years because I just think as a society, I think that years ago, I think the idea was, well, we're just documenting what's happening. And the idea was sort of to be more hands-off. I think we look at it differently now. It can't be incumbent on us at all times just to run in if we suspect that someone might be better off.
But I think there is a responsibility in certain situations, certainly not to heighten what is happening in if there is a dangerous situation. So we definitely intervene, you know, there. And obviously we do have personal feelings because I never want to be that anesthetized to this that I'm watching a show that I'm making and feeling nothing or looking at it as though this is a scripted series.
It's people's real lives.
So I think that on the one hand, that's a it's a lot to reconcile. But I also think it isn't that hard to balance in the sense that whenever we think someone is in jeopardy or sort of needs our help, then we really are much more responsible than people might want to believe. It is tough with the fandom. I would say the fans do want it both ways. And so if a show is light and fluffy.
Then, you know, the idea is, oh, well, there's more going on. It isn't really covered and they want blood. And then when they see something that is very hard hitting, then on the other hand, either they'll think it's too heavy or then it's somehow incumbent on us to make everything right in the world, which we just can't do. And it's not our job.
Well, sometimes I will take flack if I say something like, I think that the cast is brave for putting it all out there. And people say, well, what do you mean brave? They're being paid for it. They're on a television show or whatever. I'm like, no, but I mean, that's a lot to open up and a lot to share. And you're opening yourself up to a lot of criticism.
So I do think that it can make for good entertainment to a point. I also think that it's a balancing act for us. And I think if an entire show is that heavy, I think then you would want to look away at a certain point.
Is there ever moments where you feel like you want to interfere, but you can't? For example, I know that you did the Britney and Jax spinoff. So it's like you've watched Britney go through so much with Jax and then to fast forward 10 years or five, eight years and it's we're on the valley doing the same thing.
Like, were there ever like moments where you like want to go in and be like, Britney, what are you doing? But then you're like, also, this is my job.
Sometimes you do, but I also have learned that, you know, you really can't change the trajectory of someone's life. And so sometimes as we see in these shows, right, like if you'll sense in certain instances that a marriage maybe isn't so strong, people in it might be fighting for it and they might think that they're better off and down the line they will learn, they will see.
And that's kind of just, you know, sort of what we're observing.
Right.
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't disagree. So I don't think, you know, sort of any of this is all that surprising. I mean, you know, it's funny. Some of the responses when Jax did my podcast and people were like, oh, well, he's revealing this now. And I'm like, well, everyone might have thought that they knew that he had, you know, issues with drugs, but he wasn't at a point to talk about it.
So there you go, right? And so that's what I would say is that it all sort of happens in time. And I agree to your point. Oftentimes, a lot of people will have approached the person. Brittany had heard about that from a lot of people, and she had to just go through this.
Look, I thought it was horrible on the whole for everybody involved. And so I'm glad at this point that Ali seems like she's in a really good place. And, you know, hopefully James is taking care of himself. I don't you know, I don't know. I was glad, on the other hand, that we weren't doing the series at that point because that would have been a really tough one to cover.
So I think contrary to what people might think, you know, wasn't sort of thinking, oh, well, we should have cameras up. You know, I thought it was a very dark, tough situation and mostly just wanted to make sure that everyone and obviously Ali in particular was safe. Yeah.
I couldn't believe it. So I was definitely was staggered by it. And I was, you know, one of the few who didn't believe I thought, you know, in spite of all the evidence that we had to the contrary, I didn't actually think that there was something going on. between those two, between Tom and Rachel. And so I was floored by the fact that it happened and the way that it transpired.
And also the other thing is at that point, Ariana had such a great resolve to tell the story. And I think we all were really worried about her because We thought her world could come crumbling down. And it was just the opposite. So right away, you could see that she was drawing strength from this. And so remarkable to be in the middle of it.
And our instinct right away was we need to cover this in real time. There was a little bit of pushback to that because the idea was, well, you're shooting the reunion again in three weeks. So, you know, why would you do that? There was. But but what ultimately prevailed is we had a series of conversations. We realized we can do this. right now, you know, yeah, that was a wild ride.
Those few weeks after that were extraordinary.
made people pay more attention to that knowing how it all ended up well we didn't so much of the show was locked so I want to say the first I don't remember this but it was like seven episodes I want to say were already locked and so we definitely you know look we couldn't ignore what we knew was coming with future episodes and But it wasn't as radical as people might think.
And we also, the other thing is, we had already keyed in on this as story. We just didn't know what the outcome was. It wasn't like we went back and radically changed what we were doing. But clearly, if you're picking interview bites going forward, right, and someone says, and you know where you're going to end...
Then you're more likely to use a bite from someone saying, you know, I am very suspicious of this.
As opposed to someone saying there's no way there's something happening. I mean.
Yeah, I mean, so this unfolded the first week of production. I mean, we were just getting started. It was like, you know, God, couldn't we just ease into this? But the world doesn't comply. And really, the first order of business was Jax was going to go and do this. And so we were planning on covering it. However, we needed to. It was all sort of happening in real time.
And so it was honestly on him and on the people around him much more than us because they were arranging for him to do this. They figured out, you know, sort of which facility he would go into. And then we were kind of picking it up from there.
Well, I think in that case, look, he's so integrated into the group. And so also you're telling Brittany's story and Brittany's it's part of Brittany's story. So it isn't like the the show is sort of, you know, forcing this to happen. We're just picking up what's really going on.
Yeah, I mean, definitely, you know, to your question, do we as producers have certain judgments or have certain thoughts? I think we do and we should. I think it's up to us to be fair, right? So even if we feel a certain way about something, we want to equally weight, you know, both sides. And then the audience can sort of watch and pick it up.
It doesn't mean we're, you know, giving equal validity to it. But I think that Jax expresses himself in this. I think people are free to, you know, sort of make whatever judgment they want. Yeah. So, you know, with the Valley, not only is Jax Brittany's husband, but also, as you can see, the rest of the group is very much involved in what goes on between them.
And so we're just we're really covering it. It's a hard, heavy thing to cover. But we'd be remiss if we weren't telling, you know, really the central story, not just to his life, but to hers.
Well, I box dyed my hair. Did you? Love that.
Yeah, I think there's a few of them. I think that what works out really well with the Valley is that it's a big cast. And I think the story is constantly developing. And so I don't think you end up on the hamster wheel too much. There is,
heavy story it's all right there in front of us and the other thing I would say is that in that show the story develops on camera so it's not we're not picking things up after the fact so you see Jax go to rehab we don't hear about it it's not a conversation after so I think that's compelling but really to me it's that there's a lot of story that is constantly developing and I sort of think in that show everyone pulls their weight and
What's the most irritating thing?
Oh, it's so annoying. Well, I think sometimes people fight the idea that we cast them on the show to be themselves. And I think I always say you get in someone's first season on a show, you want them to be who they really are. And the second season and beyond, you want them to be who they used to be. Because the feedback necessarily, you know, changes who they are. So that can be really annoying.
And sometimes, you know, I think that you're making a show with a bunch of Reddit threads that are clashing into each other. And that's really annoying. So, yeah, it's very annoying. But I understand it's also human nature when you get really strong feedback in different directions. You know, how can you just tune that out? It's hard.
Sometimes we do that. I mean, sometimes we will say, you know, it's fine. Even if we don't like what someone's saying, that's OK, as long as it's authentically what they you know who they are and what they want to say. But there are times when I'm like, you can't really believe what you're saying right now.
Yeah, I completely agree. I think that we have to embrace the ecosystem. I think that we can't control the world and we shouldn't try to do it. I think we definitely benefit from the constant conversation about the shows. So I think it's super important to the show's popularity. And look, a show is in trouble if no one is talking about it.
And so I think we have to know that. On the other hand, I think the thing can be frustrating that can be frustrating is I think when the outside world overtakes what the show might be about, I think that's an issue. And there's nothing more annoying in a housewives, for example, when you have this convoluted storyline that is just about dueling appearances. Yeah.
on podcasts or just things that people don't really care about and you're explaining these teeny tiny things that aren't really about their relationship to each other i think that can be you know kind of annoying and i think you don't want you know the the people that you're following on the shows just to turn into creatures who just hop between podcasts and say shady things about each other so that's really annoying sure
I think you want to filter that out. But I completely agree. We have had to adapt and evolve. And I'm grateful. I think, you know, part of the reason that I have shows that have been on for a long time is we've managed to evolve the shows on their own. Right. So even the definition of what a housewife is, I don't even know exactly what it is in the best possible sense. Right.
And then on the other hand, we benefit from the fact that there is a super passionate community that is constantly talking about the shows. It's really important to us. Yeah.
Was it all reality television shows?
Well, we definitely felt heading into the second season that we wanted to bring back the entire group from the first season. We were overstuffed anyway. And so there were a lot of rumors that we were bringing on some of the Vanderpump cast to be full time. And I shut those down. It was not happening. But at the same time, they are a part of that friend group. So it makes sense to see them.
And frankly, it would be sort of inauthentic if you didn't see them because you would be leaving them out solely because... That would be a, you know, a creative decision that you were making going forward. Who knows? I think, you know, a lot of things are possible. You know, again, I still think it's a really strong cast and it has a it's voluminous, you know, already. But we'll see.
I think, you know, it's possible that we open it up a little bit. But I like the fact that between the first and second season, we just ran it back with the same group.
I actually think it's possible for a few of them. So I think it's very early yet because we're in the second episode out of 15 and then we have to shoot the reunion. So God help us all. It'll be a very long day. But yeah, I think so. I think that, you know, just like nobody had on their bingo card that Jesse and Kristen would become friends.
I think, you know, the audience may find that they feel differently about a few of the cast members through the season. And again, I think that's the thing that's fun about it is I think that, you know, it's constantly evolving.
I think it's a very strong group on the whole. I'm really interested in growth. And so I think Britney has a strong season because I think she asserts herself in a way that she never has. So I find that super compelling as someone who has known her personally for all these years and sort of made the shows with her.
I think same thing with Kristen, you know, and I think she's in a very different place. So it sort of changes for me based on what's happening. But I love seeing someone turn into a different version of themselves and in an unstudied way.
Yeah, that's how long the season is. He was ready to be done. It's strong. It's strong. I just looked at the first cut of the first episode of 1901. And it's really good. And it's funny because I didn't even, you know, very much know what is happening. But I sort of watched it fresh because it's been such a long season. So I'm excited about it.
And I think it'll be a very eventful end of the season as well. And I have no idea what's going to happen.
It's exciting. Yeah. It's really exciting. Can you shed any light on the rumors of Debbie Metanopoulos talking about possibly joining the cast of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills?
Yeah, I mean, I will say this. We have not yet made any decisions on what we're doing. So I sort of, as much as anyone, eagerly read those. You're like, oh, we are. Good to know. Can I go home now?
I mean, open to it because I but but typically their ideas that we would have thought of, I mean, especially if it comes to bringing someone back, it's like, you know, then, you know, obviously we're aware that that might be an option.
But yeah, I mean, every once in a while someone will have, you know, a great idea, just like every once in a while you'll read a tagline and I'm like, but you nailed it.
So Kyle sent me that video right as it as it happened. And I wrote back to her, give that lady a diamond. But yeah, no, that happens all the time. But but you kind of accept at this point that you're just not going to be able to catch everything.
We used to feel that way about Vanderpump because there was so much turmoil in that group that like the minute that you put down cameras, you were missing story. But what are you going to do?
You just submit yourself to it. It's like at that point we're doing 20 episodes.
It's a great question. I think that a sort of faster intake would be great in certain circumstances. Obviously, the Kardashians did it because, you know, the previous iteration of their show felt like old news when you were watching it because you would already consume the story. And they're just so out there in the public and they're being covered constantly. Totally.
So I think it's a little bit different when the stories aren't already out there. But I do think that sometimes I think we could increase our metabolism. And look, for me, that would mean fewer notes. So I'm I'm OK with that. All right.
It's so funny because I always laugh at that. It's like the idea that any one person on the shows could call their shots. Like I just was having a conversation with someone recently, a prospective cast member of Beverly Hills. And she was saying that someone is like, you know, someone high profile was like,
Well I get an EP credit on the show and I was like that is such a laugh because nobody gets a credit nobody has any say whatsoever and so it isn't.
Well, I think when she launches WooHoo Productions, I think she can, you know, she can produce her own shows. But yeah, I mean, knowing it would be impossible in a show like that for anyone in it to have that sort of power, you couldn't make it. And look, there's been plenty of things that Kyle hasn't loved in the show. True.
I'm just asking for a friend. What requirements does it take for somebody to get on a Housewives series, like for them to be considered?
Well, I think it's sort of a bunch of different qualities. Obviously, you're looking for someone who makes sense within that group. And so the more connected they are, the better. And I think someone who captures your imagination. So someone who has a different point of view, someone who is unafraid to express that point of view.
I think someone who, you know, I always say sort of both fits in and stands out, you know, that kind of thing. And so and at this point, we're attracted to originals. So I think if you watch someone in casting and it feels like you've already seen them before in some way, you're less attracted to them.
It was a good group. It was a good season. That show's had a couple strong seasons in a row. Is Alexis back? Alexis is not on this season.
Yeah, I mean, at that point, to your point, it wouldn't really have made sense because, and I don't know that there was anywhere to go from there. And, you know, I mean, what, are they going to get together and throw her a bridal shower? I mean, you know, so... But I think everyone has to step up and fill that void. And then we were excited to have Gretchen back.
And so that felt like we also were injecting something that's both new into the group, but then also makes sense and has a history with the group. So I don't mind that. I don't think that the formula of a previous season is necessarily the same for the next season. Awesome.
Anything you want to leave us with before we let you go? I don't think so. I would say the other project that I'm excited about is the Kristen Cavallari series for E!
Yeah, it's a fun blend of the podcast itself and then also the tour.
It is. It was a show that we shot very quickly because the tour obviously was super compressed. So you see some of her kids and she's getting ready for the tour. And it's great to say it's fun to see her as a mom.
And it's cool. She's, you know, obviously such a pro with this and so open that it's fun to see her both, you know, when she's sort of performing and and doing the podcast itself and then also just kind of, you know, hanging out and letting loose.
really fast because it's great when you need an answer on a project because you're chasing you know a deadline yeah um and so that was a we were picked up in january and the tour was in march and then it airs in june amazing yeah it's wild well alex this has been a ton of fun uh please come back hopefully we weren't uh too hard on you
Honestly, that's so cool and exciting for me. Like that's like my like nerd kink. Like I'm like, oh my God, tell me more.
Manipulating the minds.
Their whole thing is they're so in love.
They still have never had one argument. It just depends on how many years.
Well, that's what even my boyfriend's back in town. So we rewatched the first episode going into the second episode. And it's just kind of like even the apology to Kristen. It's like, would that have happened if we're not going through this divorce and trying to win sides?
To your original point, like it's like I feel like I enjoy reality TV so much because I do feel like it's like psychology 101. There's a bunch of situations that are in people's real lives that I may never experience, hopefully will never experience.
But seeing how people handle it and it's like you think to yourself like, oh, I would do this so differently or like I can't believe they're doing this with cameras there. But it's just like, no, this is their real lives and how they're reacting to things. And not everybody has a great on camera reaction.
Yeah.
Like you're breathing in my space.
It is. It is. But I'm like, that's what I do appreciate about it where I'm like, a lot of people are like, oh, it's really sad or it's really depressing. It's dark to watch. But I'm like, no, this is like real life. And this is like the age group in which some relationships aren't working out.
Side note, there's a show called Couples Therapy, and it's very, very interesting to watch.
But like especially when it's like not something that's prevalent in your life, though, you just can't relate because that reminds me when I was younger, I would watch The O.C., And then I would fast forward through the adults scenes because I was like, I don't give a shit. And now when I watch it, it's like I relate to them so hard. I'm like, oh, my God. No, she just cares.
She just was like, annoying mom. Let's get to the teens.
Can we have more of these? Sorry.
The way we are the world is playing in the background of my mind as he's telling this story.
It's FaceApp, and this filter needs to be eliminated from housewives' phones.
They're all using the same one. It's Hollywood 2 or whatever. If you put these photos next to each other, they all have the same face.
My favorite is the Ramona though, like posting the story and then the post.
That's what I'm saying. I'm like, the appearance is identical. No, it's not. Yes, it is.
That is her.
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Is this a known thing, the TTP?
Honestly, going out to eat with either of you is an absolutely difficult. Yeah. Usually you could be like, Mexican, do you want sushi? Do you want Italian? I'm supposed to go to dinner with Natalie.
Even New York. New York, I was sitting there and I was like, we went to a French restaurant and y'all got burgers and club sandwiches.
Did they give you any info, any background on this man?
The restaurant that we went to was a French restaurant.
We need Harley. There's escargot on the menu.
I got mussels fries, but it was just like, okay.
Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, if I go somewhere with you, I'm like, okay, don't say Italian.
Sexy, right? He was probably going, like, cliff jumping, and people were just, like, swimming and drowning, and he was like, you know what? I am a lifeguard. What?
It was just Sam Piscari who was not a part of the... Oh, Sam did not help anyone. No, so I just looked around. There's no lifeguards around. Me and Brennan just look at each other and we just sprinted out there. So I swam in, swam back for another girl. Sam was doing push-ups. Maybe he was helping on the shore. He was recording. Yeah.
I can't wait. I'm so excited.
Have you?
I want to know.
I think MomTalk's been a positive impact for the Mormon community. Okay. Life has been a blur. MomTalk has become a nationwide trend. I never imagined everything to blow up like this. But it's a double-edged sword. You're opening up yourself and your family to all kinds of drama.
Where is everyone at? Whitney wants back in MomTalk. Everything feels kind of fake about it. I'm trying to protect MomTalk. I don't feel like inviting the devil back in. I think everybody just needs to get the freaking stick out of their ass. Anyone that comes in at this point is clout chasing. What the hell? Is that Miranda? Oh my God. Miranda is Taylor's ex-best friend.
I'm going to set the record straight on the swinging scandal. Oopsies. It's going to get messy. For sure. How is everything going with Dakota? Things are just getting worse. I do worry about Dakota's sobriety. All I wanted is a family. Things for Zach and I have been pretty rocky.
I think this is going to be a little intense.
What to do? No one had sex ever, period. What the f... Who's lying to us? Hey, don't touch my wife. Oh, this is crazy. He's a psychopath. The police are here. Mom talk is turning on each other left and right. Things went down in Italy at Vanderpump Villa. She has a cease and desist to keep her from talking about it. If she comes at me, I will absolutely dominate her. Oh, me too.
You're manipulative, and you know it. I really think she needs to get over herself. Let's go. It's gonna destroy the group as a whole. Will you please cut the camera? I can't do this. The show must go on.
Thank God. Can we just talk about this theme song remix? Yeah.
I need this blasting in my car. I'm into it.
I mean, it's heightened.
Yeah.
I was going to say, I saw some discourse happening on all of my, even my Bravo blogs. Crazy.
Tough crowd over here.
Ever.
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Well, it is technically a body of water. It is technically a body of water. Evaporated. Evaporated. Storm.
That's too long.
He just pulled him in.
The force is strong.
It's four Cs. I think it's cut, color, clarity, and carrot. Carrot is spelled with a C. Oh. But then why does it say 24K or 14K on your brains?
It's a very difficult position for her to be in too because it's either except the fact that he's going around and
talking about her character and then also like trying not to say anything about him because he is the father of her daughter and she will see this and so it's a very tough spot to be in to like how do you navigate that i mean that's really i have to say if i am the daughter i would love to see my mom talk some shit about my dad if he did this if like if he was calling my mom those awful names like i would be like mom if you don't fight back
But that's my day for Janet.
But I think that's what... Jen wanted, Jen wanted though. She told Whitney, cause Whitney was like, what do you want me to, I actually thought when he was being a really good friend, like she stayed with Jen, she was like, I don't feel comfortable leaving until Zach gets back. She helped clean her house a little bit. And then she was like, what do you want me to say to the women?
And then Jen told her, just say that I'm sick and pregnant.
That's an ambush. Yeah. In the flashback, Demi and Jessie or whoever was telling Jen about the plan, it definitely was different than how it ended up being. They literally had Jen sitting directly next to Zach And then they were like grinding on her. And I agree with Zach when he says that what they did was, in my opinion, worse than what happened with Chad and Demi. Chase. Chase, sorry.
Same thing to me. With Chase and Demi. Yeah.
I thought the same thing. I was like, they are wearing underwear. That's not skinny dipping. No. Yeah, have you seen an episode of Vanderpump Rules on Stassi's birthday?
And the rest of America wouldn't care.
I'm feeling pretty good, actually. I feel like the older you get, though, the harder pregnancy is. Because I'm like, why does this one feel harder than the other two? But we're also like filming a show. So I'm like, maybe that's why we're doing a lot. But overall, everything's great.
Out of you.
So I feel like, so season two, I don't know how much it shows, but I know you guys have seen it. We haven't even seen it. Yeah. But from I was doing IVF during it and I my whole mood, my mantra for season two is like I'm going to be at peace because like for me to have this work and like become a successful pregnancy, you have to be so relaxed and stress free during IVF.
So I feel like I was I mean, I haven't seen it, but I think I was fairly chill because I was really just trying to protect my peace all season. And my husband was very aware of that. So we were very like relaxed. in a peaceful environment. Now that I'm pregnant, I'm not at peace, I would say. I feel like a lot more fiery. Layla knows. I've already yelled at her once.
Not my first, but it was a different dad. So we have a different situation. It's kind of personal, so we never get too into it because it's personal to Jacob. So we did my last donor was IVF, and then this baby's IVF. Gotcha. And we have one more embryo in the freezer, so I feel like I can't really leave a soldier behind. So I feel like we'll probably have at least one more because
If it was like three in there, I'd be like, it's fine. But like, it's just one. So I feel like bad.
I mean, I would say I went into it really blind, like when I first did it, because I mean, like I had a son from a previous relationship. And so for me, I remember thinking when I got pregnant at 19, I was like, oh my gosh, the worst thing ever happened. But I was like, well, at least I'll never be someone who has to do IVF because, and then of course, like, I think I jinxed myself.
I don't know what happened. But anyways, I think for me, the process was... I don't want to like scare anyone, but it was harder than I thought it was going to be going into it. I thought the worst part was like, oh, the shots and the needles because I don't like shots and needles. Like it makes me squeamish. But for me, I think it's more the mental aspect because the hormones are like so intense.
And so whenever you do, at least for me, because I've done two rounds now of the egg retrieval, that to me is the worst part because I think that it's more just the mental aspects. Like your hormones are so out of whack that I feel like they'd be like, I'd go to an appointment. Like you have 12 follicles. I'm like, what?
well I'm like I thought I had more than that like I like freak out you know but it's like you get really scared because you just don't know what your results are going to be and I think because the first time I did IVF I was expecting to get like 20 eggs and then I got came out of surgery and like you got nine and I was like how because I'm like I don't know I've not been told I have any issues so like
I mean, not that it matters, but still. And so then the second time we actually got 17, but I was freaking out because they're like, you have 12 follicles. I'm like, that means I should make 12 eggs. And like, it's just like a whole process. I think it's because women go through this and it's like such a financial burden as well. And so I think that's what makes it so intense.
Like if this was free and it was no problem, it's like, okay, like we could just do it again. But besides that, it's also like the hormones. And it's like, obviously not like a super healthy process because you're like changing your body and like you put your body almost into menopause at certain parts of the journey. It really screws with your brain, is what I will say.
But besides all the negative, I will say, obviously, the most amazing miracles come from it. I
have my daughter because of IVF and then I have this baby and one more embryo it's like I'm so incredibly grateful because it gives people a chance to have kids who maybe either couldn't or maybe they have genetic issues like there's so many reasons why people do it and so I think it's just an amazing thing so for me despite all the negatives it is like a hundred percent worth it and I'm so so like grateful for like the process and is there I mean I'm sure there was a lot but is there one thing that you can share that Jacob did throughout that process that made you feel super supported
I think like for him, for me, it's like because if I just turn to a bitch, if he's just nice to me, I'm like, OK, thank you. And I think I'll know it even now being pregnant. I'm like, I know I'm being a bitch. So thank you for like allowing me to do that and like not ever being snappy with me. Yeah. So for me, it's just like feeling just like loved and supported.
Like I feel like Jacob's really good at being like, let's go get your favorite drink. Like, let me get you breakfast. Like doing things without asking for me is the biggest thing. Like before he left on this trip here, he woke me up with like breakfast in bed. So like for me, it's like little things like that where I'm like, that makes me feel so like appreciated and like loved.
And like now I don't have to like make breakfast or think about like things that make your life easier. I think in general, like little things that are thoughtful, like getting my favorite drink. I'm like, yes, that made my day so much better. Like, yeah. It's the little things, truly.
Well, what I would say is that, so originally when the show was like a thing, we're about to film the pilot, Demi started hitting me and Michaela up and she was like wanting to hang out. And so we're like, okay, like if we hung out a couple of times at like one of our friend's house, went swimming, all that stuff. And she kept being like, you guys got to get me on that show.
And so I remember me and Mikayla being a little skeptical of her at first being like, well, what are you willing to do to get on it? Like, why do you want to be on it so bad? Because me and Mikayla were kind of skeptical of even going on the show. We're kind of like, I don't know if I even want to go on it. So why do you want it so bad?
And so I think we were always had our guard up a little bit with her. But like, I would say like we were still pretty close. And I think me and Mikayla, Demi, Jessie even got closer like season two and stuff. And behind the scenes, we're hanging out all the time. Like I invited Demi to my birthday in February. She ended up coming.
So I told her, I'm like, Jessie's going to be there and Taylor probably. So just so you know. And she opted out, which was completely fine. But I think, yeah, I don't feel like she was ever just on an island. I feel like she was brought in and we all accepted her and loved her fairly quick.
Yeah, I think we've all been a little bit shocked, to be honest. And I think things that we've heard and seen, like even I was like, I need to see receipts because like I'm having a hard time comprehending that this is like actually happening. And again, I think it's because like, I mean, we loved Demi, like she's so fun and like hilarious and things like that.
But then you're seeing this like kind of mean girl behavior where I'm like, okay. I mean, I think we saw glimpses of it, but she brushes it off a lot of humor. And I love a good humor. I don't get offended very easily, so it never has bothered me. But I think this time it's different because it's stuff that is kind of like career ruining for people that she's just okay doing.
So I think it's just kind of different this time.
I mean, it's a really difficult situation and to be in this situation to begin with. I personally am a victim of sexual assault and domestic violence. So like for me, I'm someone who believes like all women, like you tell me this happened, I'm going to believe you. So that is obviously no question in my mind.
I think in this situation, it's very complicated because I mean, like we've heard what happened in the past. And of course, we all supported Demi and believed her and everything like that. I'm not saying we don't. I'm just saying like there has been things and without getting too deep into it that
don't add up that aren't logical that don't make sense and I get that like not everyone handles the situation similarly like me myself I never reported because like I was in a situation where I was blackmailed so I literally couldn't but this situation is very complicated because obviously we always want to support but like when there's things happening that maybe don't make sense or that just aren't logical to anyone you have to kind of question because there's also times in certain situations where the men takes the hit for something they didn't
do anything and i'm not saying that's the case here i'm just saying that that happens as well and so i think if you just completely turn a blind eye and being like no then and i mean it's so complicated because i don't want to get too deep in it but when the story changes constantly too it's a little confusing i think that's why a lot of us are confused because this story has changed a lot you know lily you were there for vanderpump villa what are your thoughts on the situation
And I think when it was brought up in season two, I'm assuming you see that where it's brought up towards the end. Was that brought up? Was it? Jesse and Michaela just told us about it. Okay, okay. So maybe it's not in season two because it was not in season two. Okay, well, it was talked about.
And basically when it was talked about, Taylor brought up and being like, and that was weird that you wanted to do that. And then Demi was like, it's basically saying it wasn't weird. She's like, and you guys can back me up on that. And me and Jesse were like, I did think it was a little weird.
Like, I wouldn't want that perception, to be honest, as a married woman to be like, let me fake this like affair. Like, that would never be something I would want to do, you know? So, you know, it is interesting.
I feel like we talk about this in our friend group so much right now because we don't even know. Like, I don't know what it would be because I feel like if you've seen some of the things that have been said between Demi and Marciano, I don't know how you can play along with that. I was like, I would never want to see my husband texting certain things or saying certain things.
and being okay with that so like part of me thinks like he must not know but at the same time i'm like well maybe he does he's just being supportive and like they're moving on with a certain narrative to protect their marriage i i really don't know like whatever they choose that's up to them like it's none of our business what they're doing in their marriage like and that's completely fine i think it is confusing though because i'm like what's what's going on and i think at the end of the day with that situation jordan's try to present him things and say like hey like this happened and he chose to like ignore it so i think at the end of the day like
Yeah.
Yeah, I think if she doesn't come back like for season three, then maybe she takes like a skip on that and then goes to season four because I'm like, as it is, if you're not getting paid and you're being talked about probably the most. So, I mean, might as well come clear your name on this. I would want to. I would want to, yeah. Macy, where do you stand with Whitney these days?
We're not like close friends by any means. I would say we're cordial, but we're not, I'm not entertaining like a friendship there any longer.
I mean, you and me both. I question that as well. I'm like, are you just really not self-aware? Because I feel like we've had so many conversations, even off camera, and I think... You see that on camera where like I was the one who wrote the truth box confession saying, do you regret not going to Macy's event?
Mainly because I was going to help clear her name in a way because we had a conversation a month prior talking about it. We've had multiple conversations where I was like saying like, well, you can still regret not coming even if you weren't in the place because I feel like I would regret not supporting my friends.
I'm like, so if you look up regret, like you can regret not coming, but still like being like I wasn't in the place mentally and I wish I was. So I regret that. But that sucks. And she told me on the phone, she's like, well, maybe I have to look up what regret means. And so she Googles it on the phone and she's like, oh, OK, I guess I do regret that.
And then we do the truth box and she's like, no, I don't. I'm like, am I like losing my mind? So I'm like, I'm actually like so confused. And then, yeah. And again, like I think we have other conversations on the show where I'm just like, let's just agree to disagree. And it's like not good enough for her. And she like wants to keep pushing and be like, well, I want like this.
Again, I just, it was too exhausting. I think for me with Whitney, like I wish her the best and I'm fine to be cordial and friendly, but I feel like I was always in a friendship test where like even towards the end of season two, like she texted me when we were done rapping being like, you purposely didn't sit next to me. And then you said this and I'm like, wait, what? Like I'm too exhausted.
I can't be constantly like watching my back being like, oh, is she going to think I looked at her funny today? Like, you know what I mean? Because it's exhausting. And I was tired. Like season one, like it was so tiring dealing with the emotional stress like of being her friend. Like I loved her and I wanted to support her.
But even off camera, I'm dealing with everything and being like, hey, like, how can I support you? I'm sending her crumble cookies. I'm trying to be like a great friend to her. And then it's like season one finished and it was like ghost town. I still reached out to her. Never usually got responses.
And then all of a sudden, once the show's about to come out, it's almost like she needed me as an ally or like she's about to go on a podcast. She called me the day before and be like,
best friends with me so it almost seemed like it was like a plan in a way to be like have me on her side as an ally and I didn't feel like I realized these things until later where I was like actually she honestly never really was a great friend to me and so I think once I realized that over time then I was like I just I'm good to be friendly cordial I wish you the best but I can't put
my time and effort into this because I know Mikayla probably has very strong feelings and she even season two she'd be like not wanting to be friends with her and I'm like I am a type of person that I have to decide for myself I have to figure out for myself and so I'm not going to just not be friends with someone because you don't like her you know so but over time I realized like wait actually she never really was a great friend to me and it just took me a while to realize that.
They became friends because they had a common enemy, which was Taylor. Demi is beefing with Taylor and all of a sudden she becomes friends with Whitney, who is fine with Taylor at that moment. But then I think as soon as Whitney has a chance to not like Taylor again, it's like, OK. Yeah. So that's what it seemed like happened from all of our perspectives. But I mean, I guess whatever, I guess.
Yeah.
I mean, I definitely have more opinions than Jacob. I feel like Jacob's such an easy, relaxed guy. He's like, well, you know, they're trying. He's so nice. I feel like he'll never say anything. But I'll come to him and be like, oh, yeah, and then so-and-so said this, and Zach did this, and... I think, yeah, no, I feel like the more I film and hear more with these couples, I'm like just grateful.
And for my relationship, I'm like, wow, I got really lucky. But also I went through the ringer to find my husband too. Like I was in an abusive relationship and then I lost my son's father. So I feel like for me, I'm like, I deserve him because I feel like I went through a lot to get to this man. And I think when you have toxic relationships in the past, you know that like, I never want this again.
And so I think that's how I found Jacob was like probably the most normal ones. I do feel very grateful when I see these couples. Of course, Taylor and Dakota, I mean, it's no, it's no, I'm not shy about how I feel about that one for sure. And I think I get shit because the people are like, well, why don't you go tell Jen this too?
And I'm like, well, I'm like, I can only handle one at a time, to be honest. And at this rate, like they're married, they're working on it. I'm like Taylor and Dakota aren't married. So I feel like it's a little different where it's like you don't have that commitment yet. to where I'm as concerned, I guess, but not a huge fan of Dakota, and I'll be completely honest, he knows that.
Not at all, actually. The way that McKitt feels about Whitney is probably how I feel about Dakota. I had that same energy.
I think for one, he triggers me. He reminds me a lot of my abusive ex-boyfriend. He does a lot of the same things. And I used to I think in season one, I was like, I'm not saying you're that person because I was trying to get the benefit of the doubt. And then over time, like he is that person. And I think he can be a good person. But him with Taylor, he's not a good person.
and i just don't think he's they're good for each other in general but there's a lot more that happens behind closed doors that you won't even see on the show that i know and so for me knowing those things of course i'm gonna ride for my friend and like be protective of my friend because i've also been through a similar situation so i'm hearing the similarities and i'm like oh like it like irks me to my core and i just want to help and unfortunately you know you can't tell taylor what to do obviously like she's gonna do probably the opposite of what your advice is but
I think it's just hard to watch, especially to see your friend get hurt over and over again and then still go back and you're like, what are you doing? Like, it is like so frustrating. There's a point in time where I almost had to step back and be like, do what you want.
I can't even, I just can't watch because it was like, again, I think he just triggers me because he reminds me a lot of my ex, but for good reason, because he is a lot like him and he sabotages things. I'm like, why do you think Taylor didn't show up today? Of course, it's always him behind the scenes sabotaging things.
A thousand percent. It's like anytime Taylor has a big event coming up last year for press.
New York press. The press in L.A. She almost didn't show up because he purposely gets in fights with her, sabotages things. She's crying. She doesn't want to go do press. He sabotages all the exciting things. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if your wife had a great opportunity coming up, you wouldn't be like, let me start a fight right before she leaves. Right.
Like, even if you were mad at her, something was going on, you'd probably be like, we'll save it for later. I want them to succeed. I want them to be their best. He doesn't. And I think it's almost like a like a competition almost like I think he's so insecure that he has to bring her down to his level, to be honest. And it's hard because this is exactly how I feel. So I'm just saying it.
But then we do have to sometimes film in group settings. And he's a very nice, likable guy. And I generally get along with him. So it's almost conflicting to me sometimes because I'm like, oh, like, why are you the way you are behind closed doors? Like, I wish you were like this person to the front, like all the time.
but also she was way out of his league like I was confused I'm like excuse me way too ugly for you you guys I'm like let me be the matchmaker can I find their like spouses because I'm like what's going on I'm not opposed at this point this motherfucker better be really funny I know like actually right who else do you feel that way about in the group I'm like, who's single?
Well, I mean, no one is dating anyone. Obviously, I have choice feelings about Dakota, so I'm like, you could get better, obviously. But you're the only other one, because Miranda's not dating anyone, right? No.
Jen and Zach? I mean... It's hard to say. I know.
Okay.
And I think to me, when I look at it, I think it's all the way you're raised. And I mean, I always say being from California is different. And I think it's more traditional in Utah where it's like very traditional values. Granted, like my mom didn't work. My dad did. But they were always like equals.
And I think in certain relationships you see it like Jen and Zach, not to like talk about theirs, but like. I think that was an issue for him. Like, it's intimidating. I think it's intimidating for Jordan to see how successful Jesse is. And sometimes these men, when they're intimidated, they try to bring their partner down so that they feel more of an equal, so that their partner wants them still.
Because, like, well, if they get too successful, they might leave. Like, I think it's an insecurity thing. Whereas, like... I'm just so against that. And I think my husband knows that. He is so supportive in my situation. It's like, if anything, he's like, how can I help make you more successful?
And I'm like, I'm not saying that's how it should be, but I'm like, your partner should be supporting you. And if my husband wanted to have his own career too and do his own thing, I am fully supportive of that. But I do think it's interesting seeing these men
try it i like i have a weird thing with toxic men as you can see i'm like these men um but i get it like it irks me though like it pisses me off like i'm like these men are just like not supportive and it's just not okay i think it's just disgusting to be honest and i think if you're going to be in a relationship you should hopefully have a spouse that supports you your career and your dreams and if you don't have that then leave
It's hard to say because I feel like I don't know how deep their relationship lies. On social media, you would think it's perfect. But as we know from... Many other couples, that social media is not a reflection of how your relationship really is. I don't want to say yes or no. I would give it a maybe.
Ooh. Well, I think Whitney's the only one who wants to be an actress. Right? She's damn good at acting, so Whitney.
Sneak it. Macy. No, I wouldn't sneak it, though. You know me.
Blaming someone else. Oh, it's not me or Michaela, because I feel like we announce it if that ever happens. No.
jesse maybe like maybe you actually she's like quiet over there i feel like it would actually be you oh no i don't that shit i feel like if you see no not me no who is most likely to steal a baby's name i'm trying to think of who we have on our cast like who is that not miranda i feel like she was like um maybe jesse jesse i could see it being jesse worst dressed Whitney. Best dress. Miranda. Me.
Yeah, you're Miranda.
She just tried to not do that one. It's two. She's like, you.
Yeah, and in the wrong places. I can say that. I think she tries to do funky things to be different, if I'm being honest.
Fuck. I mean, I'm just going to say Jessie because she's going through things. Love her. Love you. Love you.
Well, I would probably say to me, honestly, but I just think of the situation right now, I would say Jessie.
Season three, it would be different.
Or Jen. Yeah. See, they're the two. I just forget about her. She's just never there. Yeah, same.
reliable macy yeah i'd probably say me okay yeah me or jesse those answers surprise you are they similar to honestly the majority of them were similar most likely to pick their nose in public whitney yeah whitney that girl rips ass in public all the time too she did she's a farter with her she is
Thank you. Thank you so much.
Say that when she's crying. Like with friends like these. And she apologized. She apologized for talking about her behind her back. And then the second she leaves again, she does it all over again and talks about her behind her back. That pissed me off so much.
So the dismiss part seems misleading, not a lawyer.
I hope Shannon feels like she won.
Smoking gun.
That's a smoking fucking gun. Well, I wish you all the worst, John Jansen.
I feel like I give Alexis slightly more of a pass than John.
Alexis gets the pass. Not a full pass, but I think John's more guilty.
I wish them the worst in Bravo World. I don't know, like actual worst. You were a Jolken Boostering.
Right? I don't know if she can. May your Bravo reputation never recover. Period. I'm down for that one.
Oh my God. May your public image be like a poop stain.
Poop stain.
Well, you were like, what looks cute? And I said, that would look cute on River. That's all I knew I was doing was picking out a cute outfit for my daughter. I didn't realize that meant I was going to wear oatmeal.
So the ex-nanny who got full access into Emily's house and world and behind the scenes, which is a huge, just like, it's a sanctuary. Whoever Emily is letting in her house, very private. It's your home. And this person is running their mouth, basically throwing six-year-olds under the bus to protect a 19-year-old TikTok influencer?
I don't know who this person is, nor do I care. All I know is that she is speaking about what it's like to be inside the house. of Emily and her very young kids. And again, that's not clarifying. That's throwing little kids under the bus to protect an adult influencer who is benefiting from being messy online.
You don't get to have access in her house and sit there in the background and observe a family interact. and then speak publicly from your point of view. If you're witnessing something illegal or wrong, by all means, speak up. But other than that, shut the fuck up.
Maybe they did.
Yeah. I would imagine, well, I don't know. I don't have everyone that we interact with sign an NDA. I don't have our babysitters sign an NDA. We know them and they're family friends.
And she did mention like the children's names. Katie's daughter is an adult. And she chooses to involve herself in this show and clearly wants to benefit from it. And I have no problem with that because many kids of Housewives before them have used this platform to become ultra famous.
Gigi and Bella Hadid, some of the two of the most famous women in the world, got their start simply being the kids of Housewives. So I have no problem with Katie's daughter using this platform, but she doesn't get to fall behind the protection of Housewives.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and boy, it's so good to be with you all.
I'm just a kid of a housewife anymore because she has her own TikTok and she's out there running her mouth and doing her thing and being messy and getting engagement and clicks and followers and comments from her activity. And you don't get to like bring in kids under 10 into this conversation to like set the record straight.
Yeah. And just it's like that's like saying, oh, because I saw her kids Google her mom once. Like that doesn't like say that Katie's daughter didn't do anything.
Right.
Even if Katie's daughter once made a comment to Emily's kids and anything negative about, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's enough.
But she's also just like, she is a TikToker. She has a following. She's a public, she's her own public figure. And she's an adult. If you want, if you want to like, you know, if you want to swim in the ocean, you got to swim with the sharks, you know, type of thing.
And she's choosing to swim. Anyways.
Why does she deserve the chance to say goodbye to the audience?
Of course. But the show isn't called Give Me an Assistant. It's a Lala show, and Lala let this person, I don't know who this person is, have a voice on the show, and that's awesome. And like, yeah, I mean, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? It's Lala's show, and it's just like, it's just, I think people quickly become entitled.
I don't know what happened, but it's just like, now she's speaking out. There's an implication there that something happened that she didn't get the way she didn't get what she wanted when she wanted. I don't know that a parting of ways.
She's taking advantage of the fact that Lala has her critics and has recently been under a decent amount of fire and is not necessarily the most popular kid in school when it comes to the Vanderpump cast.
And she knows that. And she's leveraging that because I don't know why she is on her way out of Lala's life. But like, you know, again, like as an employee employer situation, maybe she asked for a raise that Lala didn't want to give. Maybe she asked for more creative control. I don't know. Whatever. Lala didn't want to give her what she wanted. Lala had the right to do that.
And this is her way of acting out. Mm hmm.
Yeah. She doesn't need an assistant to act like a victim of Lala. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I know what she's doing. She's got like six people from the Lala's podcast who reached out after she left. She's like, I'm never listening to the show again after you left. And she felt like she had to speak out because she had to address her supporters. And yeah, she just decided to like, you know, believe her own delusion and bullshit.
Who says caramel? I say both.
Well, while we're waiting for the ice cream, just so you know, we have Candy Muse will be with us shortly. You know her from RuPaul's Drag Race and House of Villains. She's on this season of House of Villains, and she is playing her role beautifully. Can't wait to talk to her. Plus, after Candy, we have the very funny Adam Ray, who has a new Netflix special out. We'll be talking with Adam as well.
Lots of laughs coming up. All right, where's the ice cream?
I can see why because not only does it taste good, it's pretty. It's pretty.
You guys watch, I know Beverly Hills Housewives premiered last night. Natalie and I have not watched it yet. Beverly Hills is back.
River would appreciate it. We had a family photo shoot.
We'll definitely get into it on Tuesday because we have the very obviously famous Bravo personality Jeff Lewis on with us and so we'll be breaking down some Beverly Hills Housewives.
a little bit of what happened, though?
But before you do, Justin, I just want to let people know that obviously next week is Thanksgiving, and we do want you to celebrate Thanksgiving and be thankful, and whether you like your family or not, at least try to get along. But we'll be on the air Monday, as usual, to ask Nick.
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Layla. Put her at the top of the list. Layla. Sorry. I love Layla.
Kathy Hilton.
We want Kathy Hilton on the show. We want Kathy Hilton on the show. Bump Dorit.
I think Dorit is my housewife crush. she's mine now too obviously she's the hottest housewife ever like I don't know if we would be compatible you know I don't know earmuffs Natalie earmuffs I don't even know if I like her, but there's something about her that I'm into.
Yes. Did it include like 20 year old influencer?
Well, thank God Beverly Hills is back because I know we said, I know we said, yeah, we watched it though. We watched it
I quite liked the premise of the intention of the prank was to, like, suss out the mole type of thing. But then you gave the mole the intel.
Yeah.
How do we feel about the accusation of baby privilege?
I guess. I don't know.
But you need to think of something that you know people would have a hard time keeping in. It's got to be messy. It's got to be, you know.
Canceled.
Yeah, basically. Meanwhile, Dorit's smoking cigarettes and wearing sexy one-piece jumpers.
And then Mauricio is giving divorce. No one said any of those things.
I forgot about that.
That's so chic.
And how do we get invited? It definitely still exists. We will donate money. Talk to Dorit.
Oh, that's right, Dorit. Yeah. Also, I found out something. What? So I do want to apologize to Dorit because I did not like her. What was her tagline last season?
I'm like, what pants do you want me to wear with this? The oatmeal sweater was fine. I can work with an oatmeal sweater, but then she's like, well, you gotta put on brown pants.
Yeah.
That's right. She did say that when explaining.
Yeah. Well, I found out that housewives don't come up with their own taglines.
They can offer ideas. They can make suggestions, but they do not decide.
They get options, yeah.
who pitched mary's if you come for me i will send jesus after you which is right but that is amazing there is ways though to like make it your choice so like lvp even said like she gives them a bad angle for the one she doesn't like fine but we heard that some just won't even read that's what i'm saying so that's where it's like they do have some the last two but the point is is they don't get to choose so yeah i don't know so no no longer can we make fun of their headlines
White women from Connecticut. I feel like they are very, they're like Plato. Yeah. They're chameleons.
What about this as Christmas? I'm just- I do give- My outfit was, don't get in the way. That was my job. River is the star of the show. Just do not be noticed. That's not true. I was basically wearing a green screen where you wear the green suit.
It is woman of the world.
We were so hard on Dorit last season, I feel like we just have to be nicer this season.
Oh, Gideon.
I honestly kind of thought it was her brother at first.
Well, I honestly was half paying attention because I was like, oh, Roni's on. And then I did notice that scene and it was like, they kind of look the same.
Yeah, I hear you.
No, I thought he was making her an omelet.
She was just trying to get me to blend into the gold wall as much as possible, so I didn't- It is giving different shades of the same color.
He honestly looks like he... He's your favorite uncle. He does.
Wait, so who's the other?
So then I'm wearing these brown pants that are kind of just too tight for me at this point.
Honestly, he's new.
I'm going to go upset to pick the Colts.
He literally was standing out more than any of us. I walked into a photo shoot. I thought I was coming home to take some pics for a Christmas card. And I walked into a production. There's always a photo shoot, though. It was always a production. I was unaware that I had a call sheet.
This is his redemption era. She did kind of describe a spoiled kid, though.
So nice. Have you ever done a Christmas card before?
Sean Payton was once suspended for an entire year for running what they called a bounty system.
If the players hurt other players, they got rewarded.
That's a pretty good read.
I do, yeah.
Here's $27 million in debt.
Raiders.
I will go Broncos. Okay.
That's my football for this week.
Here we go.
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Do you hate Larsa? And why?
Larsa's kind of a bully.
Let's just get right into it. Yeah, I just said Larsa's kind of a bully. There was something when Larsa walked in.
She wanted you to move rooms. After you came in and you tried to set the record straight and you tried to diffuse the drama and you're like, listen, I came in a little hoppa blah and Larsa goes, that's okay. That is who you are, she says. And that is some first rate fucking trolling bully behavior. When you're trying to apologize, that's okay. That is just who you are. Thoughts, Candy?
Do you agree, disagree? What do you have to say about that?
That is not how it went.
I really wish you would have stood your ground, to be honest.
No, that is not how it went. I was wearing oatmeal, as you know, and Natalie was wearing a lovely green
Was there any hooking up going on that we might not be privy to?
She's fighting you for the seat in the car. I felt bad, Victoria. I felt like she just wanted a friend. And everyone's just like, who's this fucking girl who was on two episodes of The Bachelor?
It was not giving Natalie. She had flats on and a long, long, long green nightgown dress.
Is there any way though, that if that, that now that you got to know Safari, that like, maybe you're just like team Safari over team Nikki. Is that, is that possible?
It came too naturally to him. It was almost like old hat for him. Uh-huh. Yeah.
That seemed aggressive.
I'm wearing pants too tight and oatmeal sweater. I'm giving suburban dad who doesn't know how to dress and his wife dressed up. That's what Christmas photos are. What if we just put on jeans and a chunky sweater and Uggs? And Natalie graciously, because it wasn't like, I'm wearing this and you're not wearing me. She was like, well, what would you like to wear?
So Candy, when you're not competing on reality TV or entertaining people on RuPaul's Drag Race, what are you doing when you're just chilling? How do you unwind?
Do you just stare at the wall? Like, are you watching TV? What are your guilty pleasures? What do you binge? What do you read? What do you do?
They are.
And I was like, I would love if we put on some jeans and a chunky sweater. And she graciously said nice. It was the big Lebowski sweater.
It's like your guys are both too busy to eat pizza. Someday life will slow down. You guys will be able to reconnect, hopefully.
We love that.
That's true.
When people do say you guys kind of look alike.
Kenny, this has been so much fun. We wish you the absolute best on the rest of the season. Anything you want to promote or share? Where can people follow you, engage with you, support everything that you're doing?
Bye. What a delight. Yeah. What a delight. Breaking news.
Nellie.
Do we have like a breaking news sound effect that we play when we say breaking news? We can throw one in there.
Not following Brianna.
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They recently dated. They had a very messy breakup. It's still messy. Yada, yada, yada.
He's got $12 million to work with.
Can you imagine? Well, the question is, has he already been paid? Did he get that money up front? For his sake, I hope so.
He's trolling his ex-girlfriend. He's accusing him of abuse.
We are. I'm looking forward to it.
She's still only, like, nine and a half months, and, like, chickens are fucking kind of dumb and crazy.
And gross. Chickens are crazy.
I like them. They're cute.
Maybe a baby chick.
But I'm just not going to, like, you know, let my daughter just play with an adult chicken. Maybe the chick. Give her a little chick.
Do they have baby chicks?
Do you, you know, we eat eggs and we eat chicken and then we eat like, what's the, we eat, what are they called?
What are they called? Baby calves?
I don't think about it. Are those like chicken nuggets?
Eggs are unfertilized. What if you found out that chicken nuggets were baby chickens and you still eat them?
But what if you found out they were baby chickens?
Up next, it's time for Adam Wright. Adam. Yay. Welcome back.
Not here.
Get ready for our first Christmas card.
People are like, just say something. Make me feel, offend me.
You're a little sassy.
Yeah, but if you're... But we built it pretty quick. If you're famous, people will... You hang out with them once. And your boys, yeah.
Everything, yeah, not to, you know.
not to like over dramatize having a kid but like yeah we were talking about with our friends last night we were trying to sell a kid on them you know we're forcing parenthood on our not our kids i thought you yeah i thought you were like dude we're already over her and no listen like kid takes over your life and so when you have friends who don't have kids you're you know like you you stop minding your own business and you're like can you have a kid so we can like keep hanging out oh yeah you can relate to us do you find yourself doing because you know
I used to be like that, but then I got a dog, and Jeff really changed my life. He softened me in a way that, like, I was, like, in my, you know, when you're single for a while in your 30s, you kind of turn into, like, a curmudgeon-y grump. Totally.
You definitely, no. Well, we got...
Then I got Jeff. And it was all preparation for River. But we were talking with our friends last night. And it's true. I don't know. When you're dating, when you're working, there's always a point in every adult's life that doesn't have kids where you just sit in your car and you're just like, what's the point of it all? What are you doing now? What the fuck, man?
Especially if you're out in Hollywood trying to, I don't know, grind. But you have a kid, no matter what is going on in your life, good, bad, specifically the bad, where you know why you wake up. You know why you go to work. You know why you get through it. Because everything else, you're kind of like, Can I be here? I don't know.
You make them wait to pay. I'm sorry.
You do have time to propose.
But when you have an age gap like we have, it really helps us in photos when we don't look like we have an 18 year age gap.
Why did she say granddad?
Let's see, that's bullshit. How did he look? Like, did he look fucking old?
They're going to be great. They're going to be amazing. They're going to really turn out.
That's gaslighting right there.
What? Can you... That is a great way to do it. Can you... Can you not maybe... Can you shut the fuck up?
Yeah. Little BTS for you guys.
Like, do you, are you able to close the door to the fridge or do you ever tell your wife to be like, Hey, I don't know if you can talk to me like that. And then she goes, stop being so sensitive. And you're like, am I being guest lit? Um,
How does it feel to be number three on Netflix right now? Awesome.
I hung out with him and his wife.
I was like a real family. You're just like, oh, why can't we make it official?
You know, hearing you tell this story, I feel like really this is an... Well, it reminds me of a time with my wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but like, you know, we've known each other for a few years now. I mean, shit, I met you in like 2015 or some shit like that.
No, actually, we met before that when I did your podcast in your house.
Anyway, we've known each other for a long time. I followed you for a long time and I've always been like, man, Adam knows fucking everybody. And I feel like you're, like you said, like this show is accumulation of all your hard work in Hollywood and all the connections you've made from all the grinding you've done. And it's just like your ability to like,
call up, you know, the lead singer of, you know, the Google dolls and sing Iris and then, you know, have, you know, have all these people, Dr. Phil, like it's, it's really kind of cool to see like all, it's like accumulation of all the grinding you've been doing to come together and put this thing together. It's kind of fascinating.
That's how you're really walking to some teenagers.
wait let me do kamala i worked at a mcdonald's when i was five years old i smelled every fry before i put it in the bag that's excellent that is good and then trump goes she never worked there i went to every mcdonald's i talked to grimace he never talks he talked to me hamburger great guy um
As a Packer fan, he was definitely my guy. I'm a big Packer fan. I am grateful for his time as a Green Bay Packer and appreciate his mentorship of Jordan Love.
No, I don't have as many famous. I don't have the access that you have.
Okay, you've been on the field. I've been on the field once. Have you hit up players? They've got to be fans. I started sliding into the DMs.
I started doing that.
I was wondering why I started. I just started doing that this season.
I'm dabbling in my sliding.
That's not that crazy.
that makes sense I wouldn't think about that I wouldn't either yeah I mean there are things I've picked up over the years doing you know media yeah you know Natalie's right though they have their like poses their faces yeah but like the covering the tags I mean that makes sense at this point if they were just like how do you do this that would be kind of weird you know like it is their job would you get a Tesla robot
No, no, no. She's cool as fuck. Todd's cool.
Yeah, because it's not like, you know.
Now you want to... Justin, you can fight him if you want right now.
I mean, yeah.
If you and your wife decide to have a baby, you will be blown away by the number of men who think they're being nice and funny and don't know what to say to pregnant women and will just oddly talk about her body.
And you're like, wow, you're looking pretty good for having giant tits now.
Well, no, we pump out a lot of episodes, Adam. Thanks for having me. This is two episodes before Thanksgiving episode.
But we are going back to the place of our wedding. For Thanksgiving? Yep. What was your wedding?
And her brother-in-law, I guess my new brother-in-law. It's your brother-in-law? My brother-in-law. He is a... Look at how fired up you got. He is a surgeon from the mountains. Mountains? He...
John talks like this. Yeah, he does. And he's got a lot of guns. One time, the last time we were there, Natalie bought a sweater and it had the tag on it that she forgot to take off. And we were in the guest bedroom and I was like, I don't know, there's got to be something in this room that we can use to cut the tag that couldn't rip off. And I opened the drawer full of knives.
I don't know. How confident do you feel if you're calling the police in LA? How fast is their response time?
Do you think there's ever a world where you could have sex with a robot?
You know it. Like, we're not even, like, 20 years away.
We're, like, five years away.
People are, yeah.
What's the thing you like, your new thing to call me out on?
When I say, well, I forget.
I personally hope it doesn't get to that point, but we are definitely going down that road.
Because one time she asked me about someone that I apparently was uninterested in. I was like, no.
What's the question?
That's so sad.
I met him not too long ago at South by Southwest. You did? Yeah.
Who from Love is Blind this past season were you riding the hardest for?
No, it's dating a 26-year-old slang.
I sent a picture.
Yes, I did.
And then we sent this to John Stamos.
He made a joke.
It was a dirty joke.
It was funny, though. I laughed. Was he wearing a bald cap? It was between us. He was not. The internet's losing their mind over this. I just feel like this is the internet having nothing better to do than finding a reason to talk some shit.
Babe, out of curious, where's... I'm a valley girl? Where's my... Babe, out of curious.
No, for sure. Yeah. I don't like.
Well, it seems as though Dave, unfortunately, has cancer. And as many cancer patients, through the therapy and treatment, chemo, I believe it is. I might be getting this wrong. They often lose their hair. Yes. Oftentimes, family members and friends will shave their head in solidarity of their friend losing their hair, going through their cancer treatment.
No, I actually think it really worked out in his favor. Yeah. Because he's probably not, He's a fine guy, and I think he probably was in it for the fame a little bit, and he probably was a little disingenuous, but she was so nasty to him and so mean that he got so much sympathy. He probably doesn't deserve, but she was just mean.
The Top Gun montage, did you like that?
Yeah. Well, they do a pretty good job of keeping it pretty real. I mean, every Housewives season has some force.
But of all the franchises, I think Salt Lake City, they're professionals.
John Stamos shaved his friend Dave's head and in quote unquote solidarity mimicked shaving his head by wearing a bald cap. Yes. John Stamos famously known for his gorgeous hair. John is how old?
Yeah.
Nick is Cocoa Pebbles.
Do we have to cut that out? I don't know, I'm just kidding. No. Just joke.
I don't know. We saw him at an event not too long ago. And again, gorgeous hair. I am for not shaving his head.
I don't think he was making a joke. It was a little lighthearted. His friend Dave, who... sadly has cancer seem to be okay with this.
If his friend Dave felt supported and had a laugh during this moment, then that's all that really matters. And if you have an opinion criticizing just because sadly cancer has affected your family's life, then, you know, that's also your journey.
For any of the critics out there, you just made a man who's dealing with cancer and the fears of cancer have to address you, the internet troll, for not minding your own fucking business. Yeah. Period.
Anyways, our hearts go out to Dave, wishing you the absolute best dealing with this terrible thing called cancer.
So do we know if we should be clapping? I feel like just the fact that it's done. I think Shannon just wanted it to be done. Yeah. So let's just clap for hopefully this was a good thing. Because sadly, when it comes to these types of settlements, we've been following along this case for so long, but we're not what? What, what, what, what?
I was like, okay. All right. Well, Nick's clapping. Because I don't think we're going to find out what the settlement was. Isn't that usually how it works?
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So Jay was in bed at the time?
Talked about your guys' future.
Du hast nichts.
Kudos to Kristen though, to keep it calm for your child.
Wow.
In that moment?
Yeah, I'm glad that you'd be able to sleep forever.
Your future is bright. I hope. I don't know. Like, hey, we're in it together. Sink or swim. Anyways. Sorry, Nally's pissed. Back to Nally.
You always got some serious Mama Lion energy.
Sind sie noch stark? Sind sie wieder da?
Oh my god.
What's the speculation behind what happened here?
Die Leute fΓΌllen die LΓ€ufe in viel. Ja. Es ist nur der Fakt, dass sie gesagt hat, ihr habt mich verabschiedet, ihr seid richtig. Das ist alles, was sie gesagt hat.
Γber seine Freunde. Ich habe es als er seine Freunde ΓΌber seine Freundinnen priorisiert hat.
Ein Tiger Γ€ndert sich nie seine Streifen. Du sagst nicht, dass er mit Jacks zusammenhΓ€ngt.
Sie hat eine DM von einer MΓ€dchen bekommen, die gesagt hat, hey MΓ€dchen.
Er ist nach Vegas gegangen. Ich meine, die Γberzeugung ist unabhΓ€ngig. Die Archivierung und Unarchivierung auf Instagram ist die lustigste Sache. Es ist wie, bist du zwΓΆlf? Ja. Yeah, he is. I mean, yeah.
Yeah, did you order, like, go ahead. I am curious about this, because I was like, what happened here last night?
He's stuck.
I will say, I mean, it could get dark for the Toms.
Is Schwartz supposed to be in the Valley?
Ich bin interessiert, ja. Und jetzt nicht Sandoval?
Ich habe einige Headlines gesehen, in denen Joe sagte, dass sie eingeladen wurde.
FΓΌr den Valle, was interessant war.
Ich habe es nicht geΓΆffnet, aber ich war so, ah, Fake.
Das kΓΆnnte ziemlich dunkel werden. Ich meine, denk dran, Van der Pump wurde gecancelt, Van der Pump war Tom Sandovals ganze Leben lang. You know, James, he had a DJ thing going. Hopefully not anymore. George is getting work. But like, it's getting pretty dark. You know, like, what is Tom Sandoval going to do? You know, get a job. But that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying. This is about to get dark. He can't get a job there, though.
Whitney Rose shuts down divorce rumors with her husband Justin. I didn't know there were rumors.
Yeah, as a fellow Justin, how do you feel, Justin?
I love Whitney and Justin. Yeah, me too. No, but these are rumors that have been circulating for like a month on like bigger quote-unquote Bravo blogs, basically alleging that they've been sleeping apart since last year and going through the motions in public. How would the blogs know about that? Yeah. I mean, housewives speak through blogs.
So like a lot of the times, like you will find information.
Well, I will say at Kathy Hilton's party, there was an alarming number. What we come to find out bloggers. That's what I'm saying. So I was like talking to people like, oh, we love your show. Oh, great. And now it was like, it turns out they're a blogger. Oh my God.
Even like Candy Burris, she brings bloggers to dinners and treats them well. I think it was Teresa was friends with a blogger and then she turned on the blogger and then the blogger turned on her. So it's like, you befriend the bloggers to have a good internet cut.
The chef went to dinner. Okay.
It's like old Hollywood.
Yeah, but still, why would Whitney tell a blogger?
She's shutting these rumors down. So basically there's been rumors that they're always fighting and that they're basically going to have a divorce for an upcoming season storyline. Hmm. I agree with her. So she finally shut it down. Yeah.
Ich hasse es, dass sie... Das ist eines der Dinge, um den Witz zu beantworten, ist das Witz zu formen. Ich bin ein perfektes Beispiel. Ich hatte keine Ahnung, dass es Trouble in Paradise gab.
Well, if she doesn't the next season, like somebody on the show, one of the girls are going to be like, there are rumors going around that you and Justin are getting a divorce. Yeah, but if you don't get divorced. But no matter what, it's probably going to be part of the show next season.
I think she did it because there was no need to make it a storyline, but blogs are so ingrained in the housewife. Currently, the housewife storylines are all blogs, podcasts, tweets.
Also, who would know that?
My theory, and I have no way to prove this, is that Lisa had somebody that works for her send a DM to a blogger about this.
I mean, that...
Speaking of Salt Lake City rumors and lore, we have the incredible Meredith Marks on this week's episode of Going Deeper, which dropped yesterday, if you have not listened to Meredith.
Did you notice the whole time you were like, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, and she was like, yes. She's never practiced law. She has a law degree and never practiced.
She's an icon.
But she went to law school. She did. She loved the compliments. Every time you said it, she was like,
You have to gas her up.
I'm aware of it. I've not watched it.
I didn't realize, yeah, I was somehow catching strays from Aaron Rodgers. Leia, go for it. Leia, can you bring people up to speed?
He talks about how on The Bachelor you know how they do the hometowns and so they set two seats and he says and what do they do they go on a bullshit show and leave two empty chairs they all agreed this was a good thing to do to leave two empty chairs at a stupid dating show that my brother just went on to get famous his words not mine that he ended up winning but a dinner that was during the football season I was never asked to go to not that I would have gone
Ich meine, ich bin froh, dass er das rausgebracht hat.
Aber ich war einfach so, ich habe es vergessen.
Ja, es ist verrΓΌckt.
Ja, das ist ein guter Punkt.
Das ist ein guter Punkt. Weil ich dachte, oh, ich habe nicht die Schuld der Basher-Produzenten fΓΌr das gemacht.
Ja, das ist verrΓΌckt.
Und ich meine, seine Worte sind nicht meine. Seine Worte sind nicht meine, das ist so lustig. Auf dem Show auch. Ich erinnere mich an ihn, wie er und Aaron keine gute Beziehung hatten, aber dass er eine gute Beziehung mit seinem anderen Bruder hatte.
No, they definitely used the Bachelorette to express their frustration with their famous quarterback son.
Which is so, so weird.
Dumb. Yeah, even if Aaron was totally in the wrong as to why there is a disconnect.
Yeah, he could suck, but still. Why are you on the Bachelorette?
Yeah, it just gives, it gives, they want, they're using him for headlines.
What do you mean eight years later?
He's just talking about everything.
I think there's a lot of ego between Jordan and Aaron.
Ja, er hat erwΓ€hnt, dass Aaron Pro ging und Jordan. Ich erinnere mich nicht, als er nicht den gleichen Niveau von Erfolg hatte.
Jordan hat fΓΌr Vanderpump gespielt und dann hat er ein paar Kupfen von Kaffee auf ein paar Teams als Praxis-Squad-Spieler, fast sicher nur, weil sein Bruder damals der beste Quarterback in der Liga war. So, you know what I'm saying? A lot of ego involved.
Jordan basically took his success on The Bachelorette, coupled with him being the brother of Aaron Rodgers, and spun that into a broadcasting career, calling games on ESPN. Listen, if you're Aaron Rodgers, you feel a certain way about your brother, who you don't have a good relationship with, using you to build his entire career on.
He has not been talking to his family for a decade.
I get why the Bachelorette did it. They're like... NatΓΌrlich. Aber du hast einen tollen Punkt gemacht. Warum die Familie das erlaubt hat, ist verrΓΌckt. Die Familie hΓ€tte gesagt, wir machen das nicht. Wir lassen dich nicht in unser Haus kommen und unsere Familien-Drama fΓΌr deine Ratings verwenden. Aber sie haben es gemacht. Sie haben es vollkommen gemacht. Sie haben es definitiv nicht gemacht.
Jetzt, dass ich mich daran erinnere, haben sie es so gemacht, als ob sie sagen wΓΌrden, dass Aaron und Olivia hier in zehn Minuten sein sollten. Sie sind einfach zu spΓ€t gefahren. Sie sind super berΓΌhmt. Sie wurden in den Verkehr getroffen. Es ist wahrscheinlich der Paparazzi. Aber sie waren, ja, nein, ich kriege seinen Punkt.
Zu dem Zeitpunkt gab es auch Spekulationen, dass Olivia Munn derjenige war, der die Verleumdung in der Familiendynamik mit Aaron verursacht hat.
Yeah, there was a lot of rumors about that.
Blaming the woman.
They threw Olivia under the bus.
You don't bring your... You know what? Jodie Foster liebt Aaron Rodgers und Aaron Rodgers hat Jodie Foster einmal in einem MVP-Sprecher gegrΓΌΓt. Und seitdem habe ich gesagt, mach, was du willst, Bruder. Das ist verrΓΌckt.
Nun, der PrΓ€sident der Packers hat ihn als einen komplizierten Kerl genannt.
Wow. Und ich dachte... Und Jodie liebt einen komplizierten Kerl. Ja. Ja.
He's not basic. Nope. No, no, no. Is it time for maybe stats versus knowledge? Yeah. Let's get into it. Vibes versus stats.
Vibes versus stats.
This vibes versus stats segment of the Vibes Vibes brought to you by wonderful pistachios. Wonderful pistachios. Can I tell you what that reminds me of? What?
You know that clip that went viral of the older couple and he's like, a buttery flaky crust. Crispy buttery crust. I've never seen that. No, it's a crispy flaky crust. Every time Vibes vs. Stats comes up, it's Vibes vs. Stats.
Live vs. Staff! Alright, Mary, what do we got on the docket for this week?
Okay, so the first game I want to talk about is the 49ers are playing the Dolphins. And are we watching White Christmas? Because this game is all about sisters. Sisters. We all know Olivia Colpo. We all know Olivia Colpo.
Former Miss America?
Miss USA? Miss Universe? Ich weiΓ nicht.
Sie ist eine Pageant-Queen.
Sie ist eine Pageant-Queen, wunderschΓΆn, rundherum, verheiratet zu 49ern, Rundungspartner Christian McCaffrey.
Formerly the girlfriend of Danny Amendola, friend of show.
She was also in The Other Woman, the movie. Not in real life. Sie war in dem Film, die andere Frau.
Sie ist auch eine Schauspielerin. War das ein TV-Show?
Nein. Nein, das ist nur... War Kate Upton? Neue Headline? Ja, ich meine, laut ihrer Wikipedia hatte sie eine Rolle in der anderen Frau. Und ich fΓΌhle mich schΓΆn. Aber dieses Drama ist wirklich alles um ihre Schwester Sofia Coppo. Er ist ein TikToker. Sofia Coppo hat Miami Dolphins Wide Receiver Braxton Berrios fΓΌr zwei Jahre gedatet, von 2021 bis 2023. Das ist eine lange Zeit.
Letztlich hat sie einen kryptischen TikTok verΓΆffentlicht, insinuierend, dass Braxton ihr Zach Bryan ist. In the TikToks, Sophia stitches a video of a girl saying, if you guys remember, Braxton is technically Sofia Coppola's Zach Bryan, with a video of herself cheersing the camera with a very large glass of wine and sunglasses.
And she lifts the sunglasses up and looks really sassy into the camera. Drama! Which is even weirder, because whenever Alex came out with her podcast merch, Brianna went on social media and was like, she stole all my merch designs.
Ich muss meine Weihnachtsmusik zurΓΌcknehmen. Okay.
What is her merch design that she stole?
Ich erinnere mich nicht genau. WNBA-Level-Messie-Drama. Sie waren definitiv sehr Γ€hnlich.
Und das ist eine passive BegrΓΌΓung. Ich meine, Brianna hat Zach Bryan als emotionalen Verabschiedeter gedreht.
Ja. Und dann fΓΌr Sophia, um zu respondieren zu dieser Frau auf TikTok und zu sagen, dass Braxton ihr Zach Bryan ist, Das ist eine schwere BegrΓΌΓung. Das ist es, ja. Also, was ist hier los? Ich hatte keine Ahnung, wer diese Leute 24 Stunden zuvor waren. Okay, also wir wΓ€hlen zwischen Sosia und Alex? Ist das das, was es zu tun hat?
Also die Dolphins haben Braxton und San Francisco hat Christian McCaffrey, der nur chillt.
Er ist ihr Bruder und Sohn.
Oh, dann ist er wirklich nur chillt.
Er ist literally chillt.
Ich denke, wir kΓΆnnen die Dolphins nicht wΓ€hlen. Ich denke, wir mΓΌssen mit unserem Freund Sauer zu Sam gehen. Ich werde mit Olivia Culpo gehen.
Ich werde auch mit Olivia Culpo gehen. Ich bin auch der Koordinator der Niners.
Wow, so there's a lot of drama.
Again, let's just remind ourselves that the San Francisco 49ers do have the guy who is a hero and stopped a crime and got shot.
Who is a great guy.
Niners?
No. But neither are the Dolphins.
They're not doing well in the sense that Niners... In der Saison wurden viele von den besten Teams in der Liga ausgewΓ€hlt und sie waren es nicht.
Die haben es nicht gut gemacht. Sie haben eine bescheuerte Saison. Sie haben eine bescheuerte Saison in den letzten 30 Jahren.
Sie haben den gleichen Rekord wie die Niners. Wir gehen die Niners. Wir mΓΌssen die Niners gewinnen. Was denkst du?
Ich will die Dolphins nicht wΓ€hlen nach Braxton.
Was fΓΌr ein Name ist Braxton?
I hope to God I've never had my heart broken by a man named Braxton.
Anyway. Did Brianna and Alex squash their merch piece?
I don't think anyone is more confused than Sofia Coppola.
Und dann, als er Zachs Verhalten zu Alex beschreibt, war Alex nicht so, oh, das klingt wie mein Freund.
Gut zu wissen. NΓ€chstes Spiel. Die New Orleans Saints spielen die Green Bay Packers. Und nenn mich Craig Conover, weil ich in einige Konspirationstheorien gehen mΓΆchte. Die StraΓen sagen. Und bei den StraΓen. Wir wΓ€hlen die Packers. Ich denke, wir sind alle, richtig?
Sie ist nicht falsch, okay, fertig.
Aber gehen Sie. Die StraΓen sagen, und ich meine die StraΓen, ich meine TikTok und Reddit und meine Freundin Cade, die das zu meiner Aufmerksamkeit gebracht hat, dass der Green Bay Packers Quarterback Jordan Love nur erfolgreich war wΓ€hrend des Toyotathon.
Und es kann tatsΓ€chlich ein NFL-Plant sein, das Toyotas verkaufen soll, um die Wisconsinerinnen und Wisconsiner ΓΌber die grΓΆΓte Nation von Wisconsin zu verspΓΌren.
For those of you who don't know, Toyotathon is a seasonal sale. Seasonal? Seasonal sale. Seasonal sale that Toyota puts on around this time of year.
It runs November 15th to January 6th.
And you look at Jordan Love's stats during Toyotathon and not Toyotathon. It's shocking.
I do not know.
Well, Toyotathon has been an official NFL sponsor since 2023, which was the first year Jordan Love started for the Packers.
Er hat sich wirklich wΓ€hrend des Toy-A-Thons ΓΌberlebt.
Er ist es, aber das Problem ist, dass der Toy-A-Thon nicht durch die Superbowl lΓ€uft, was im Februar bekannt ist.
Kann er es noch weiter machen?
Kann er es noch weiter machen? Wie fΓΌhlst du dich, wenn dein Hauptmann ein Industrieplan ist?
Yeah, I feel fine with it as long as they win. I don't think he is. Yeah.
Yeah, no. But it's fun to think about. It is. So we're all going Packers.
That's easy. Okay. That is easy.
All right.
Join us next week.
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We say Christmas.
We're in Canada.
Oui, oui.
Nein, das ist Quebec. Sorry, das ist der franzΓΆsische. Montreal.
Ich fliege nach Hause. Delta ist da.
Liebe und GlΓΌck.
Ich glaube, es ist ein Jahr, in dem ich nicht zu viel brauche. Auch wenn ich fliege, kann ich es nicht zurΓΌckbringen.
Practical. Mary, are you gonna go to your parents? Yeah, I'm going to Florida. I leave on Sunday. And I'm flying with my cat, George Michael. So I'm very... You know, one time I was on a flight and the cat got out and was running up and down the flight.
Is that an iPhone problem? Is that a GPS problem?
Wait, that's so cute.
And no one could catch the cat. That seems like very him, but that hopefully will not happen. I'm really anxious about it, so I need to just... He's gonna be fine. So if I don't worry about it, then I don't think my anxiety will transfer over to him.
What's your favorite holiday tradition?
Eggnog.
Ja, wir sind wie eine verheiratete Familie, die zwei verschiedene Weihnachten haben muss.
So we have... Okay.
No.
I have to get a white elephant gift for my family.
Well, you know, River told me that you're really hard to shop for.
DoorDash would never do that.
All this means is I just have to change one of the from Nick to from River.
Wir haben Aria auf diesem Episode von Reality Recap. Faszinierende Interview. Faszinierende Interview.
Ein bisschen eine VerschwΓΆrungstheorie, die wir anfangen. I can say I started it.
Justin started it. It was more of an observation.
I'll just say the Bravo blogs have trained me better to recognize backgrounds, what people are holding, the way they're talking, the lighting. All I noticed was Scotty's background is awfully similar to the background that Aria had when she zoomed in.
Well, and we mentioned this in the interview with Aria because we do ask her about her background. Well, when we interviewed Scotty the first time, we were doing these interviews over Zoom. For those of you who aren't familiar with Zoom, if you have some kind of Zoom account, you'll be like, who are you? Was ist dein Name? Und du schreibst Nick oder was auch immer.
Manchmal in einem gemeinsamen Account schicken Leute zwei Namen. Ich weiΓ nicht, fΓΌr welchen Grund. Wenn Scotty last Woche zoomte, und wir hatten nicht das Ende der Saison gesehen, sagte es Scotty und Aria. Und ich dachte, Spoiler Alert.
Aber wir waren so, Scotty, du musst das abnehmen. Wir wollen nichts verΓΆffentlichen. Dann haben wir herausgefunden, dass sie nicht zusammen sind, weil wir gesehen haben, dass Scotty verabschiedet ist.
So at what point did you order John and Vinny's?
Wir haben die Veranstaltung gesehen. Seine reaktive PersΓΆnlichkeit hat immer mehr gezeigt, obwohl Scotty so war, dass es besser wird. Seine VerrΓΌcktheit. Und dann waren wir sehr glΓΌcklich, mit Aria zu sprechen. Und sie war sehr, du wirst es hΓΆren, sie war sehr offen ΓΌber ihre, wir waren verabschiedet ΓΌber unsere Meinung mit Scotty. Und sie war kritisch.
Nicht wie Shit-Talking, aber sie gab ein bisschen direkte Feedback. But Justin pointed out that the background, it is blurred. The way the lighting. It is shockingly the same. The doors, the windows, the way the lighting hits the walls. I don't know what you want to make of that. Is it the same background? Is it not the same background? If it is the same background, are they back together?
Oh, that was from the night before.
Why is she coming on? But they never lived together.
And again, listen, if they're back together and they want to work on it, I mean, go forth and be prosperous. I mean, again, after you listen to this interview. Well, let's get to the interview.
Well, Aria, everybody.
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Aria, willkommen zum Show.
Wir sind gespannt, dich zu haben. Jetzt ist alles aus. Ja. Ich wusste nicht, wo ich mit dir anfangen soll. WeiΓt du, hier mΓΆchte ich anfangen. Hast du unser Interview mit Scotty gehΓΆrt? Ich habe es gehΓΆrt.
Das nennt man eine Ausgabe. Warum lassen sie es dir nicht, etwas zu bestellen?
Er hat sein Leben in diesem Interview gespielt.
Ja.
Also ja, ich bin wirklich interessiert, weil ich muss sagen, watching your guys' relationship, you seem like two different people. How did you guys get together in the first place?
So the thing is, is like Scotty is like such a beautiful individual when he's not, I feel like
Triggered. Triggered.
Und wie ich Triggered sagen wΓΌrde, ist es so, dass wenn etwas, weiΓt du, mit vielleicht Unschuld kommt oder wie in der zweiten bis letzten Szene war es, wo ich in der KΓΌche bin, ich trage meinen schwarzen Kleid und er handelt sich um, wie ich ihm keinen sexuellen physischen Kontakt gebe.
Und in dieser Szene, der Grund, warum das kam, war tatsΓ€chlich, es war gleich nachdem wir unseren letzten Mixer hatten, wo Caleb und Mariah waren, war jeder da. But he was watching everything I did because he was feeling insecure. He might never admit that, but he was feeling insecure because he felt like there was some type of connection that was with Caleb.
And he, you know, was like, you weren't really giving, you weren't really holding my hand. You weren't really all over me. Like Sandy was all over Nick. And I was like, that's not my love language. I'm not going to go sit on your lap. I don't do that in front of people. Like I, I was like, I was holding his hand during the experience, like during that time. But
Ja, in manchen StΓ€dten ist es so, dass man sagt, du bist zu weit weg.
I just feel like it was coming up and I feel like because he's hurt, he tries to hurt me with his words. And so when you say like, oh, how did you guys get together? We actually met at Coachella. We just saw each other and we were like, there was a vibe. And then we ended up actually also then... Ja. Ja. You know, going out of his way to see me. We lived in two different cities at the time.
Ja, du bist zu weit weg. Das ist einfach, ein, ungesund, um das zu tun, zwei, ungesund, um das dem Fahrer zu tun.
I was still going into a nurse like I was still in nursing school. So it's like there was a lot of things that he had to wait for me. And so I felt like I wanted to show my commitment to him as well. But I think also he has, you know, baggage with relationships like women, you know, cheating on him. And and so it's just like a lot of things that I had to deal with and show him. I am not that.
I am not your past. I am here. I want to love you. But I just don't think that that was enough because there's internal battles that he's dealing with.
Dardash ist so, sorry, das ist verrΓΌckt. Ja.
You know, it was interesting to watch. I really try as much as I can, especially since we watch these shows, we critique the characters we watch. And having been on your guys' side before, I definitely try to watch with radical empathy, I guess, in a way.
And so when I look at Scotty, and if I'm really trying to be empathetic, there are elements of him that I could see 23-year-old me in, in a sense. Scotty reminds me of that guy Er bedeutet gut. Du kannst sehen, er will ein guter Partner sein. Es zΓ€hlt Scotty, ein guter Freund zu sein. Ich glaube, das ist ein wahrer Statement von dem, was ich gesehen habe.
DoorDash, it's like if it's 15 or 20 minutes away, they're like, no!
Ich glaube einfach nicht, dass er weiΓ, wie. Ja, aber er will es.
Ja, er macht das Ding, wo es so ist, und ich fΓΌhle mich, dass ich das gemacht habe, als ich jΓΌnger war und immatΓΌr, wo es so ist, weil ich aufstehe und ich mache das, ist es so, dass du kinderlich, naja, ich mache das, also erwarte ich, dass du mich vergleichst. Und wenn du mich nicht vergleichst, machst du etwas falsch.
Und alles ist basiert darauf, naja, wenn ich das will und ich will das, und es ist sehr viel durch das, was er will, zentriert. Und weil er so viel Zeit und Arbeit verwendet, um ein guter Kerl zu werden, denke ich nicht, dass er es ΓΌberhaupt erkannt hat, dass er etwas verdient hat.
Er hat einen bestimmten Art von Verhalten verdient, oder er hat einen bestimmten Art von Geld verdient, fΓΌr das, was er versteht, ist, dass er eine bestimmte Art von Arbeiten macht. Ich hoffe, dass er wΓ€chst, aber das einzige Problem ist, wie alt ist Scotty?
Ja, ich meine, es ist wie, du weiΓt, es ist, ja, ich denke, es gibt immer noch Hoffnung fΓΌr ihn. Honestly, I just remember feeling defeated or feeling unhappy, but I didn't know what it was, because I was like, I'm doing as much as I possibly can do. Why is this not working? And I honestly think I went onto the show to... Ich wollte nicht da sein.
Und es ist nicht so, dass er mich gezwungen hat, da zu sein. Aber ich habe es nicht... Es war definitiv etwas, wo ich dachte, okay, er zeigt mir, dass er sich ermutigen will. Und ich fΓΌhle mich, dass etwas, was wir nicht hatten in unserer Beziehung, Reassurance war. Weil ich fΓΌhle mich, dass unsere Beziehung nicht wirklich die heiligste war. Also ja, es wΓ€re wie das Verbrechen der Beziehung.
Ich will nicht mit dir sein, weil du mir das nicht gibst. Und ich meine, ihr habt es gesehen auf dem Show. Also es war wie er...
expressing that he wants to marry me and do this process i was like oh of course i will do that you're showing me reassurance that you even see a future with me and then i feel like in the experience i wanted to show him that i'm a loyal girlfriend i am someone who i was committed to the experience in the way of i'm wanting to learn how to be a better partner and i feel like that was what i wanted to highlight but i think that
They have a range. Dominoes will tell you to fuck off.
was he was really hung up on even past like watching the show was he was just like very hurt by seeing a connection develop but yeah yeah yeah i i'm glad that you said that i think i said i said in our last episode you know it seemed like it was hard to watch you struggle in the relationship, because it seemed like both you and Scotty wanted to be good partners. It was fascinating watching you.
It was hard to watch, but fascinating, because just like you described, it was like you were almost confused as to why you were unhappy, because here you are And you had referenced past relationships and bad boyfriends.
So like compared to maybe your past and don't know the details of it, Scotty initially probably presents as this really well-intentioned, thoughtful, I really want to be a good partner guy, really shows up and does the little things and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would imagine when you look at Scotty at face value, it's like, this is a good guy. I should like this guy.
But he would almost belittle you and critique you and minimize you. Und es ist so, als ob er gesagt hΓ€tte, ich will, dass wir ein gutes Paar sind und ich will, dass ich ein guter Freund bin. Also es ist fast so, als ob er seine Kritik unter dem Begriff von, du weiΓt, ich kΓΌmmere mich um uns und ich kΓΌmmere mich um das VerhΓ€ltnis.
Und ich schΓ€tze, es ist fast so, als ob das das ist, mit dem du gestruggelt hast. Fast wie, warum bin ich so unglΓΌcklich mit einem Mann, der einen guten Freund haben will?
I think it's just, it was like, yeah, I was just so confused all the time because I'd be like, okay, you want to be with me. You say you're committed, you want a future with me, but then it seems like I make you so unhappy. And I honestly just got to a point, like, I just got tired of fighting. Like, I was exhausted.
Like, I just, it just reminded me too much of my dynamic with, like, my parents watching that, like, growing up and watching them fight. And I just was like, yeah, this is just, like, not for me. And it wasn't even that I realized that I was, like,
being like gaslit in situations like honestly I feel like now in a third like person like perspective I can see like okay like this is literally something I think I saw and I was like oh wait that's kind of funny it was like he's a he just throws word salad out and so I feel like Das war etwas, das ich wirklich nur respektiere. Und ich versuchte, diesen Mann so hart zu verstehen.
Aber es war einfach so, dass es so eine Verbindung gab, dass ich einfach gesagt habe, ich gebe es ab. Und ich denke, der letzte Schlag fΓΌr mich war einfach der Fakt, dass ich ihn gebeten habe, in eine Paartherapie zu gehen. Ich war so, du weiΓt, dass es ein Problem ist. Warum bete ich, dass du etwas tust? Und so... Ich war einfach so ΓΌber es. Ich war einfach so, ich kann das nicht mehr tun.
Ich brauche wirklich mich selbst zu wΓ€hlen. Und auch wenn du mich liebst, du zeigst mir nicht die Wege, wie ich geliebt werden mΓΆchte.
Ja, das ist definitiv, weiΓt du, von einem Mann wie Scotty zu kommen, die Beziehungstherapie zu verabschieden, scheint eine groΓe Rekordflagge zu sein, weil er wiederum jemand ist, der bereit ist, fΓΌr die Beziehung und Liebe etwas zu tun. Aber ihn das zu verΓ€ndern, sagt mir, dass er wirklich in Kontrolle wollen wollte. wie er dachte, ihr solltet auf die Beziehung arbeiten.
Und sobald er einen Drittpartner-Therapeuten verlassen wird, muss er diese Kontrolle geben und er muss bereit sein, introspectiv ΓΌber die Rolle, die er spielt, und welchen Problem diese Beziehung hat. Und es sagt, dass er es geschlossen hat.
Eine andere Sache, die wirklich schwer zu beobachten war, das war am Ende, und das war, als du weintest, und er sprach ΓΌber physische BerΓΌhrung, du hast das vorhin erwΓ€hnt. Scotty, wenn du zuhΓΆrst,
Wenn du jemandem fragst, etwas zu arbeiten, wenn es ein schlechter Habit ist, besonders wenn sie den schlechten Habit akzeptieren, wie du, nicht sogar ein schlechter Habit, du warst einfach so, hΓΆr mal, das ist nicht meine Lieblingssprache, das ist nicht mein Ding, aber du warst bereit, zu erkennen, dass es Scotty war. Also hier bist du bereit, daran zu arbeiten. Scotty, wenn du hΓΆrst.
Don't come back feedback with like, you never do this or you always, you know, you always ignore me. Like when someone's working on something and they try something and your feedback later on is they still never do something. That must be, that's the most defeating feeling in the world because, right? I mean, here you are.
Maybe you're not loving on Scotty the way he wants to be loved, but it sounds like you were making like a genuine effort into like doing what Scotty wanted. And then all of a sudden, you know, you get feedback. Like he sees someone sit on someone's lap and you're like, you never do this.
Rob Minkoff really had an impression on you.
Like what a defeating feeling to work on something and then have your partner tell you, you never fucking do something. I know it feels like emotional torture in a way.
It's interesting too. Like I feel like, yeah, I mean, We did end up going to like, I think it was like the intro to couples therapy, but I think I was so done that like I ended up making the couples therapist my own therapist. Because I was like, yeah, I told her, I was like, hey, we're not going to do this anymore. Do you want to work with me by yourself or we'll just have to let this go?
And she was like, oh, yeah, sure. Aber etwas, was wir gelernt haben, ist, dass es sieben tΓΆdliche Habits gibt, die man in einer Beziehung macht. Und einer davon ist, dass man nicht immer immer solche Dinge sagt, weil es die Person fΓΌhlt, als wΓ€re es nie genug und es ist nicht genug.
Und wenn sie tatsΓ€chlich, weiΓt du, zu dem, was du sagen willst, oder zu dem, was du ihnen sagst, dann solltest du sagen, hey, ich bin immer noch schmerzhaft, aber ich sehe dich. Ich sehe, dass du versuchst.
Und in diesem echten Kampf, als ich sagte, wenn das nicht unser erstes ist, wenn das nicht das erste Mal ist, dass wir ΓΌber dieses Thema sprechen, auf der Kamera, in dem es nicht verΓΆffentlicht wurde, aber wir haben darΓΌber gesprochen, und ich habe ihn gefragt, ist das ein Non-Negotiable fΓΌr dich? Because that is not my love language and I am working on it.
But if you're saying like you need me to be like all on you all the time, like if that is a non-negotiable for you, like let me know. Because in my head I'll know like this maybe isn't like maybe we're just not a good match. But I think I go in my head and I'm like, was I really affectionate in the beginning? And
But maybe it was just like I was starting to fall out of love and I was trying my hardest to stay there, but it was just a disconnect.
Did you have any inkling that he was planning on proposing to you?
i feel like i wasn't really sure to be honest because of our last conversation before it but i know he loves me and i i honestly don't it's like i know he wouldn't want to see me with anyone else so for him to not propose in that moment i think he would have been like more scared of like okay what does this really mean because yes the show is like you get engaged and you move on but like
This is real life. Maybe it doesn't end out like that. You don't get engaged, but are we still going to work on the relationship? I think that I tried so hard in this experience to take this experience, still respect him, and then I think to get to that point where potentially he's going to publicly embarrass me. We had a lot of thoughts. For me, I was like, I don't want to reject him,
But there's still things I want to work on. And so that's why, you know, I called the engagement off after a day because I was like, we're taking this is too fast. Like we need to like move in together. And I can say that that's something I did respect is he was really fast about doing that. But it just like it just didn't work out.
I definitely felt for both of you in that moment. It was kind of hysterical at the reunion when they were like, when did you guys break up? And you were like, a day. And Scotty just, it was kind of funny.
I don't know. He didn't want that to be brought up at all. And I was kind of trying to keep that up. In raps, I'm not going to lie, because I feel like that's kind of ego-defeating. But, I mean, it's the truth.
Hearing you talk, it's just I really hope Scotty is willing to use this experience as an opportunity to reflect and see himself in ways that his partners have seen him or other people.
It's a tough lesson to learn, but if he's willing to learn, yeah, I want to believe that he is well-intentioned, but it's like Scotty has this idea of how he thinks relationships should be, I presume probably from his upbringing or whatever he's seen on movies, and again, well-intentioned. And then you've added the information of past girlfriends and him being cheated on.
And I think he just has this idea that he's the good guy. And because he thinks he's the good guy and he's willing to try hard, it really comes across as that he's used that as an excuse internally and not necessarily consciously to act the way he's acted in a way where it's It can come across as very aggressive and mean almost and belittling and condescending and minimizing.
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I'm so sorry you had to deal with all that.
And it's like it's hard to watch because I don't think Scotty would ever think of himself in that way. You know what I'm saying?
I don't think he would. Yeah, no, I agree. I do want to say something, though, because obviously with all like, you know, people's opinions and he's never been physical with me like at all. And so and honestly, like watching the show, like they definitely dramatize like his stare and like Ich meine, er lacht immer noch, aber es ist sehr dramatisch.
Und ich glaube, ich habe nie von Scotty Angst gehabt. Aber ich denke, die Dinge, mit denen ich verΓ€rgert bin, ich werde sagen, okay, das ist sehr kindisch. Lass uns wie Γltere sprechen. Aber ich habe nie gesagt, oh mein Gott, ich bin so furchtbar. Und ich denke, das ist, was du sehen kannst, als der VerΓ€nderung passiert ist. Ich war gespannt, mit ihm zu sein.
Ich hatte eigentlich gar nicht, ich hatte keine Aufmerksamkeit, dass er mich lacht. Ich fΓΌhle mich, als ob Leute TikToks machen und sagen wΓΌrden, Oh, his stare, like his stare to her at the change. I was like, I was so unbothered. Like, I was just like, he's mad because he sees that there was a connection and he, I'm a very honest person. And so I'm not going to sugarcoat anything.
So I think that I was never like worried about going back. I just more so was like, okay, like, are we going to have any type of progress or is this going to continue to go and go and go?
Ja, danke, dass du das klargestellt hast. Ich vermute, dass du natΓΌrlich Dinge online gesehen hast. Leider, wenn es um diese Shows geht, werden viele von den Leuten, die diesen Show sehen, natΓΌrlich ihre eigenen persΓΆnlichen Erfahrungen prΓ€sentieren. Und schade ist, dass es viele Frauen gibt, die mit MΓ€nnern zu tun haben, die sich leider fΓΌr physische Gewalt mit MΓ€dchen akzeptieren.
And then I came home, Nellie didn't hear me, walked into the bedroom, and she thought I was there to kill her.
Aber das ist nicht... DankeschΓΆn, dass du das gesagt hast, denn trotz all deiner Fehler ist es nicht fair, dass Leute seltsame StΓ€mme nehmen und dann Γberraschungen machen ΓΌber das, was sie denken, dass er mΓΆglich ist.
Ja, weil die Art von Botschaften, die ich bekommen habe, ich fΓΌhle mich fΓΌr die Frauen, aber ich habe keine solche Erfahrung gehabt. Aber ich kann verstehen, warum. Dieser Mann sieht verrΓΌckt aus. Ich habe das gesehen und dachte, was ist da los?
Hast du mit ihm gestern gesprochen? Glaubst du, er ist zufrieden genug, um zu sagen, ich habe wirklich etwas Arbeit zu tun? Es wΓ€re sehr einfach fΓΌr ihn, den Edit zu blΓΆden, weil es viele Leute in solchen Situationen gibt. Er hat das am Anfang gesagt.
I think because that's like you know I think when you're first accepting something you're kind of in denial for a little bit but I think that once you know the world really showed like a reflection of who he was perceiving himself as he really did see and I think really too is like Something that wasn't featured and I think it really does play a narrative into what Scotty was in the show.
They didn't show his family and friends meet up. They didn't show just his friends meeting up with us. And he has a really solid group of friends. And so that was something that I was very attracted to because I was like, okay, he's surrounded by men that actually have a high EQ. But they just did not know how he treated me.
So it's like, and so I think now seeing everything, they've all like reached out to me. They're like, Aria, you carried yourself so well. And I am so sorry for like the pain that you've had to endure like on that in that process. But I want you to know, like, we're going to like, we're gonna, we're gonna definitely do some intervention. Like, That was kind of like where it was coming from.
And I think that honestly, I don't think his mom has seen it. I don't think he wants her to see it because I know she'd be like very disappointed. And I mean, I just I had to let her know that we did break up because he didn't tell her. And I know she's really sad and she was like trying to call me about it. So I just feel like, yeah, this is a wake up call for him.
I think he didn't realize what he had when he had it. And now that it's not there, now he's, you know, feeling it. But I hope it is something that he grows from.
I just need somebody to be calm with me because I think that I'm an anxious individual. Honestly, I am very anxious. And so I feel like Wenn Scotty seine kleinen Momente hat, wie ich frΓΌher war, versuchte ich, mich zu erklΓ€ren, und ich habe nichts falsch gemacht. Aber ich denke, ich bin zu einem Punkt gekommen, wo ich in meinem Selbstentwicklung, ich meine, ich gehe zur Therapie.
Ich bin dann, ich habe angefangen, Therapie zu gehen, weil ich bemerkte, dass ich emotional reaktiv war. Und so ist es vielleicht etwas, das meine GefΓΌhle schmerzen wΓΌrde. Und ich wΓΌrde vielleicht wie Lashouts und nicht wie Kind mit meinen Worten. And I feel like that was like, okay, I'm going to work on this.
But I started to realize like, okay, why am I working so hard on myself and trying for this relationship when I don't feel like the person I'm in the relationship with sees that there's any issues. And so it was really the calmness of Caleb. I'm also very aware, three weeks is not enough to see somebody's ugly. Like it's not. And so I... I really want to clear the air.
I had never in my life thought I was going to leave with Caleb. My edit looks like, yes, I think I was definitely having a little baby crush, but it was never anything deeper than that. I never was like, oh, I'm going to run off with Mariah's man. Fuck my man. That's not what I came on. I was really trying to show how committed I was to the person I came with.
Danke, dass du das erklΓ€rt hast. Kannst du zu einer Sache sprechen, die ich glaube, ich wusste wirklich nicht, dass du deine POV aus dem Zuschauen zurΓΌckgehst, war, was du herausgefunden hast, ist deine Versuchung, Caleb zu erinnern, eine Verbindung zwischen den beiden von dir. Und ich glaube nicht, dass es eine Verbindung gab.
Ja, ich schaue es und denke, es sah aus, als hΓ€tte er gedacht, dass er das nicht respektieren wΓΌrde. Seine Freundin. Und fΓΌr mich kam es heraus, dass ich weiΓ nicht, vielleicht gibt es eine Verbindung. Ich weiΓ es nicht. Aber er will es nur als Freundschaft nennen. Und ich war mir als Zuschauer zufrieden, dass er versucht hat, das zu schΓΌtzen. Aber wie hast du es in der realen Zeit gesehen?
Und was sind deine Gedanken darauf?
It was too like an overboard amount of times. Anytime I feel like he got a chance to talk about our connection, it was like friendship, friendship, friendship. But off camera, he's so calculated. Caleb is a good guy. I respect him. But he is very calculated. So I feel like he would put on this like,
I don't want to call it a front, because I think he truly is a good guy, but he was very in his head when cameras were there, but then once cameras weren't there, we had two days off, he was so different, so chill, so laid back, and we were hanging out outside of just the producer date ideas.
We would actually hang out with each other, talk about things, and so there was like, and his vibe, I know what a friend vibe is, that was not it. There'd be little side comments, and So it wasn't disrespectful. Like every time he was trying to respect his girlfriend. But like, I think I, for me, I was just like, bro, like, it's not that deep. Like, just say it. Like, I don't, I don't get it.
Like, I didn't understand it. And then I think watching it back, it really bothered me that he was gaslighting his girlfriend. Like, I was like, she obviously wants to talk about something because you spent three weeks with someone and something that isn't featured because he wouldn't say it on Facebook.
camera which i thought was interesting but the two top choices that he wanted to be with and he told mariah which caused her to have insecurity was he was like chanel and aria and so then us matching with each other she's like you know like panicking because she's like well this was someone that was his like top two and then um so i feel like for me what was hard to watch was how he was never reassuring
So he had his own flashlight on.
Ja, das macht Sinn. Fair enough.
What are you up to now? Are you dating? Have you moved on? How long have you and Scotty been broken up for?
We've been broken up since September, so it has not been that long. And no, I'm not dating. I am so... I don't want to say I'm jaded by men, but I'm off of men for right now. I definitely know that if intentions are there and there's... Just intentions and actually healed a healed person knows their triggers, knows their traumas and all that. Then like, yes, maybe.
But like right now, like I am speed dial with my therapist. She's telling me I need a year to myself. And so I'm kind of going on that wave. But yeah, I'm just really working and focusing on myself, being surrounded by family, friends. And honestly, I think that how why this hasn't been as hard is because I do have a really good support system.
Das ist toll zu hΓΆren. Was sind deine Gedanken auf die gesamte Erfahrung und den Rest des Casts? Wurden es als Zuschauer irgendwelche Γberraschungen gegeben?
No, I was not surprised, because with JR... Yeah, is he as shady as he came across as a viewer? Yeah, for sure. I feel like with JR, I mean, I was going on dates with him. I think I saw something that Zayna talked about, and I think he knew the type of woman I was, so he kind of wanted to be whatever I wanted him to be.
And then I feel like third date, that's when I started to see the cracks, where I was like, what are your intentions? And I... was like, I don't know if he's going to respect my boundaries because I'm not going to be making out with you. Slapping my ass is crazy. Like when I saw that, I was like, that is insane. So I feel like for me, yeah, everything panned out in the way that that's how he is.
And then I was like, do you want to have a sec? No, I'm just kidding.
Nein, ich lebe in einem Ein-Bedroom und ich habe den Wohnraum, meinen Wohnraum und den Raum, meinen Klostersitz, weil ich viele Kleider habe. Es ist nicht in der gleichen Stadt. Er ist in L.A. und ich bin in der Bay.
Als Scotty zu uns zoomte und uns gesprochen hat, wussten wir nicht, dass wir das Ende nicht gesehen haben. Und sein Zoom-Name, was war es?
Sein Zoom-Name war Scotty und Aria. Und wir sahen es. Wir mussten eigentlich sagen, hey, du musst das Γ€ndern, weil wir nichts spoilern wollten. Und ich dachte mir, oh mein Gott, sie sind immer noch zusammen. Und ich habe die ganze Sache gesehen und ich habe gesehen, dass ihr euch engagiert habt. Und ich bin einfach so, ja, sie sind schockierend immer noch zusammen.
Und dann, ich weiΓ nicht, wer ich gesprochen habe, Natalie oder einer von euch oder so. Und ich war so, nein, sie sind verbreitet.
Und ich war so, hΓ€? Und so, ja, anyways. Ja, ich weiΓ nicht mal, was das Zoom wΓ€re. Vielleicht ist das unser Zoom, wenn wir Paartherapie oder so machen.
Vielleicht, ich weiΓ es nicht. Glaubst du, er hat die Tatsache, dass ihr fertig seid, akzeptiert?
Nein, ich glaube nicht. Ich glaube, dass er immer noch glaubt, dass es Hoffnung gibt. Ich weiΓ nicht, ich halte meinen Atem nicht, ehrlich gesagt. Ich glaube, wenn es geΓ€ndert werden wollte, wΓ€re es passiert. Ich glaube, ich bin froh, dass er sieht, dass er Probleme hat, jetzt, dass das Publikum seine Meinung hat. Aber es fΓΌhlt sich nicht wirklich an.
So it's like to him, for him to like plea to me and tell me like, you know, I can do this, I can be this for you. It just seems like very, just like, it doesn't seem genuine for me. And I don't need time.
Yeah, it's tough for someone like him in that situation because I believe that he believes it. You know what I'm saying? I believe that he believes that he's willing and capable of making whatever changes. He needs to make. And I believe that he is embarrassed by what he's seen. But like you said, he would only be doing it for you. And he can't do it for you. He has to do it for himself.
And the type of change that he really needs to invoke does take time. He really needs to sit in it. He really needs to be comfortable with not wanting to... act the way he does and things like that. And the problem with someone like Scotty in this situation, I almost feel bad for him because in his mind, his willingness to acknowledge his fault, it's insincere in the fact that
If he can identify a problem, then he can fix the problem. And his willingness to identify the problem is, to me, comes across as centered around the fact that he wants to get his way. And what he wants is to be with you. And so he's willing to see the problem because he knows he can fix the problem. If he
Ich glaube, wenn wir etwas fΓΌr jemanden Γ€ndern wollen, ΓΌberzeugen wir uns, dass es intern ist. Aber am Ende des Tages wollen wir, was wir wollen. Und was er will, ist du.
Ja, ich, ja, ich meine, all I can do is like hope that like he wants to work on himself just to work on himself because of how maybe like watching yourself back being like, man, I just, I could have dealt with that way differently. Like even for me, like watching back how I was speaking to Mariah at Girls Night.
Und ich so, Baby, wirst du wach? Und sie so, nein. Anyway, well, the piece of shit loser that he is, James Kennedy, has issued a statement on his Instagram stories that was set to expire for 24 hours.
I feel like I was really just trying to like tell her like, girl, you know, there's been instances already in the past where you're like, you know, in a way badgering your partner and he feels exhausted. And then she was doing it in the experience. And so I was trying to like tell like nudge her and tell her that without busting her out like I did in the reunion.
um and so i was trying to do that and so it's like my delivery could have been better and so watching myself back i was like oh like i apologized to mariah and i talked to her about it and so i feel like for him it's the accountability thing and you can't teach somebody that they just need to want to do that and so i really just hope that he does his healing you know and works on the things that he needs to work on but like i mean
I'm only going to put good energy out there that he does that, but I'm not going to hold my breath again for anything to change because we've been together for as long as we've been together and it didn't change. So I just, I don't know.
Ich sah, dass es eine initiale Verbindung gab, und deshalb wurde ich leidenschaftlich. Wir hatten eigentlich einige Regeln in dieser Erfahrung. Das war einer davon, nicht physisch vorbeiziehen und nicht trinken zu lassen. Nur drei Trinken. Alles ging aus dem Fenster. Ich fΓΌhle mich, als wΓ€re die Erfahrung passiert. Also war ich ΓΌberrascht. Und so wusste ich, dass es eine initiale Begegnung gab.
Ich sah, dass sie die Tatsache liebte, dass er getreut werden wollte. Und ich meine, Zaina ist ein wunderschΓΆner Mensch, wie innen und drauΓen. Und ich liebe sie. Wir sind eigentlich Freunde jetzt. Und das ist eigentlich jemand, mit dem ich wahrscheinlich am meisten von allen gesprochen habe. Es ist sehr interessant. Du weiΓt, wie diese Dynamik passiert.
Aber wenn man es zurΓΌckguckt und schaut, wie er Situationen behandelt hat, weiΓ ich, dass er getriggert wurde. Und ich denke, wenn er getriggert wird ΓΌber etwas, wenn er seine Charaktere attackiert, was er sagen wird, ist er nicht nett mit seinen Worten. Und wenn er fΓΌhlt, als wΓΌrde er jemanden anreiΓen, dann versucht er, dich anzureiΓen mit seinen Worten.
Ich war einfach enttΓ€uscht, um ehrlich zu sein. Ich war so, oh, du kennst diese Frau nicht. Ja.
It's like he wants to be the good guy so bad that he's not even willing to consider that he is capable of... Not.
Oh, of course, we all do.
Yeah, yeah. Like, when he said something at Guys Night, which it wasn't a lie, like, he was like, oh, our fights can be visceral. I was aware that I'm on TV, okay? Like, I know I have my, like, breaking points where sometimes I will... It's either I shut down, which what you guys saw is I shut down. Mm-hmm. Der andere Teil von mir ist, dass ich zurΓΌckbleibe und sage, nicht so zu mir zu sprechen.
Aber ich war so, mΓΆchte ich diese Person auf der Kamera sein? MΓΆchte ich das machen? Und ich hoffte, dass er das durchfΓΌhren wΓΌrde, auf der Kamera vielleicht anders zu sprechen, aber es hat sich nicht verΓ€ndert.
Ich glaube nicht, er weiΓ, wie. Ich glaube nicht, er hat diese Selbstbewusstsein.
Ja, also ich war einfach verarscht, ehrlich gesagt. Aber war ich ΓΌberrascht? Nein, ich war nicht ΓΌberrascht. Ich war so, wie, sie hat ihre ΓuΓerung mehrere Mal aufgenommen. Das war verrΓΌckt. Sie ist nicht alt. Du bist nicht alt. Was ist das? Ich habe es vergessen. Das war verrΓΌckt. Zwei Jahre Unterschied.
Hat er dich jemals kalt geplumpst? Cryotherapy. Cryotherapy.
hot air balloons were these dates that you went on yeah i went on i actually i'm i'm super into a lot of like outlandish things and i think that's why maybe when he was you know saying his examples of like things he wanted to do with her and she shut it down automatically i'm not someone who shuts ideas down automatically i'll listen to somebody's ideas and potentially even if i'm scared i'm like okay let's try it together this is going to be new and fun
Und ich denke, fΓΌr ihn war es so, dass sie nicht mal darΓΌber sprechen wollte. Und vielleicht war er in diesem Moment getriggert, weil sie nicht mal darΓΌber sprechen wollte. Aber es war sehr schuldig, wie es aussah. Ja, es gab ZΓ€hne und sie haben es sehr dramatisch gemacht. Aber ich denke immer noch, dass er wahrscheinlich ΓΌberrascht war.
Ich war nicht da, aber ich habe das Interview mit Zayna gesehen und Wir endeten tatsΓ€chlich, ich habe mit ihm Cryotherapy gemacht und ich habe auch, du weiΓt, ich habe den Hot Air Balloon gemacht. Eigentlich hat die Show, wie die Produzenten das aufsetzen. Und es war ein wunderschΓΆner Moment. Es war groΓartig. Sie haben das nicht ausgeliefert. Aber und ja, ich war ein bisschen Angst.
Ich habe ein bisschen Angst vor HΓΆhen, aber es war tatsΓ€chlich sehr wunderschΓΆn und lustig. Aber ja, ich denke, er weiΓ nicht, dass du weiΓt, wenn du in einer Partnerschaft bist, kann es nicht immer dein Weg sein. Und ich denke, dass etwas, was er immer so gedacht hat, ist wie, oh, sie lΓ€sst mich nicht fΓΌhren. Leading isn't getting what you want when you want it all the time.
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That's not the same, Scotty.
Thank you for your time. Thank you for your transparency. It's been a joy to watch you. Best of luck in the future. Hopefully this was an overall rewarding experience and I hope you learn to appreciate it more and more as time goes on.
Ich habe keine Regretten. Danke, dass ihr mich besucht habt. Keine Regretten, dass ich das Ultimatum gemacht habe. Ich denke, es war sehr nΓΆtig fΓΌr mich. Ich konnte viel sehen, was ich brauchte und nicht wusste, was ich brauchte. Und ich konnte mich wirklich am Ende von allem wΓ€hlen.
Danke fΓΌr deine Zeit. Es war eine Freude, dich zu sehen.
Frohe Weihnachten, Leute.
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Oh, okay. He's blaming the alcohol.
Bis zum nΓ€chsten Mal.
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Warum verlieren Leute all diese Geld auf Sunglasses, die wirklich nicht anders aussehen als die hohen QualitΓ€t von Sunglasses, die besser aussehen? Sie haben unglaubliche Selektionen, sie sehen fantastisch aus, sie passen gut auf deinen Gesicht.
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Das gleiche Zimmer. Ich glaube nicht. Als sie gesagt hat, dass wir nicht zusammen sind, habe ich gesagt, warum?
Ich war natΓΌrlich nicht da, um das zu sagen. Aria war glΓΌcklich genug, sich frΓΌh vor der Arbeit aufzuwachen. Einige von uns kamen rein.
Habt ihr gesagt, dass wir lΓΌgen?
Nein. Ich respektiere Aria, also habe ich es mir selbst gehalten. Aber...
She's so single, not dating.
In her defense, it could be like a duplicate apartment in two different cities that look modern and the same.
Or maybe, you know, if Scotty is having a hard time, like she's still his friend, she's there to support him and she's just hanging out because they never lived together.
She did say they moved in for a little bit, so they have lived together.
Okay.
I think if you have a QR code in your nails, you wait.
He's a victim of his addiction.
Du hast Hallpass gesagt.
Wenn ich etwas gesagt hΓ€tte, das ich verraten wΓΌrde, wΓΌrde ich nicht jemanden verurteilen und ihnen sagen, dass ich es gesagt habe. Ich wΓΌrde sagen, lass uns vergessen, dass das jemals passiert ist. Das ist verrΓΌckt.
Because everyone who has an addiction results to domestic violence.
Ich weiΓ es nicht. Lass uns es nie wieder sprechen.
Das Problem mit J.R. ist, dass er sich so wohl fΓΌhlt, dass er vergessen hat, dass etwas passiert ist. Das war das Problem.
Und dann hat er fΓΌr 10.000 Dollar gefragt, um zu pressen. Ja. Ja.
I know a lot of people who drink. And I know a lot of people who sadly struggle with drinking too much alcohol. Viele von denen, alle Leute, die ich persΓΆnlich kenne, mit denen ich Freunde habe, schieΓen ihre Partner nicht. Oder sie holen sie auf und schieΓen sie. Oder sie haben keine Geschichte von Situationen wie dem, James. Es ist nur schrecklich, dass er das gemacht hat.
Er hat die grΓΆΓte Anzahl von Followern, was interessant ist. Er hat sie definitiv gekauft.
And there's Nick and Sandy. Who, spoiler alert, are on next week's episode of Going Deep. There are only, what, two episodes next week. We have an Ask Nick on Monday, on the 23rd of December. Take some time with your families, enjoy the holidays. And we are back on Thursday, the 26th, the day after Christmas. And if you want to get some tea from Nick and Sandy, they joined us together.
Honestly, we're shocked they showed up together. We didn't really...
Sie sind nicht zusammen. Sie kommen nicht aus dem selben Hintergrund. Es war eine faszinierende Interview. Ohne zu viel wegzunehmen. Es war ein bisschen ungeheuer. Ja, ja. Wir haben es natΓΌrlich, du weiΓt, das zu sehen. Ich denke, wir beide waren sehr kritisch zu Sandy.
Ja, wenn wir mit ihnen gesprochen haben, wussten wir nicht wirklich, was zu erwarten ist.
They address a lot of that. I think also when you do listen or watch this, I think it's important to kind of listen to the things that aren't said in a way. I don't know if you get what I'm saying, but like... There's subtext. Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways, it's a fascinating conversation between the two of them. You should definitely tune into that next week.
What did you think of Dave and Vanessa showing up?
Ja, ich wΓΌrde sagen, Vanessa, sie spricht aus, es kΓΆnnte eine Frau sein, ich weiΓ nicht, sie sagt, er ist ein walking red fly.
I'm taking time to focus on my sobriety, personal growth and being present for my loved ones. Oh, that's his problem. He's not present.
Es hat nichts damit zu tun, ob sie richtig oder falsch ist, es ist nicht ihr Platz und sie macht es nicht fΓΌr den grΓΆΓten Guten und sie macht es nicht fΓΌr Nick, sie macht es, um ihren Moment zu bekommen.
If we are talking about serious things, it comes across as so performative.
I'm sorry, does that not count? A semester is kind of a long time.
I do agree with you with the context that they're on their PR tour right now, like speaking to articles.
It's like, I went to Paris. No, you didn't. I went for a day. Not long enough.
You're making a TV show. If you're a producer, you don't care if people are doing it just to be famous. If they're going to come on and be messy, you're going to say yes. You're going to see what you got. You'll air it. It's something to talk about.
They wanted that against Nick.
You want to call them dangerous?
They were only there for like five minutes.
They still want to get married, but haven't. Thank God. So nothing's happened.
They are getting a lot of hate about that on the internet.
I hope y'all asked her about some of this. She's very well spoken. She leaned in.
We're only seeing parts. She called Caleb calculated. I don't know. Mariah was the one who clearly wanted to do this show, right? Like Caleb, it felt like Caleb very much gave. I got dragged to do this. She gives very type A personality, you know, very structured personality.
We're watching, we're recapping Vanderpump. We're on Season 5. Yes. And he's talking about his personal growth. Und das war, wie viele Jahre her?
Once he was there for the experience.
Ich meine, egal, wer weiΓ was, aber es ist einfach so, dass ich nicht, ich glaube, ich glaube, dass ich nicht mit Aria stimme, es ist einfach so, dass ihre groΓe Sache war, dass er so anders auf der Kamera war, und ich war so, ich meine, ja, ich meine, du weiΓt, viele Leute wissen nicht, wie man RealitΓ€t TV macht, und sie werden selbstbewusst darΓΌber, dass sie auf der Kamera sind, und vielleicht sind sie einfach nicht zufrieden mit, ich weiΓ nicht, teilen, ich finde das nicht inauthentisch, ich finde das zu sein, ich weiΓ nicht, vielleicht ist dieser Kerl nicht gut bei TV.
And it just seems weird to the man that he, you know.
I want to see the screenshot.
Looking at someone's stories is the most meaningless thing ever.
They viewed my story. The thing about liking a story is it's either means absolutely nothing. Und du magst nur eine Geschichte. Oder es ist das wichtigste in der Welt.
Das ist alles. Ja, das ist es. Aber abhΓ€ngig von der Verletzung in deinem Gehirn. Warum ist es ein Krimi? Und Zayna war nicht so, dass sie es nicht gemacht hat.
Sometimes you just be liking stories.
These are all definitely messy people.
Yeah, but none of them would last a day in Salt Lake City or Beverly Hills or with any of these girls.
Er mΓΆchte, dass du weiΓt, dass es nicht einfach ist, Herausforderungsmomente zu navigieren.
I will say, after talking to Sandy, she is far less messy.
Ja, und das macht auch viel.
Was sehr cool ist.
Ja. Ja. Und das Gegenteil von potenziell Aria, die aufhΓΆrt, verrΓΌckte Sachen zu sprechen, von ihrem nicht-Vollkommner.
Seinem vielleicht nicht-Vollkommner.
Ich meine, wir lieben dich, Aria, aber das war ein bisschen...
It's not that crazy because if it's Scotty, he's very much giving I haven't given up on us type of thing.
She said that.
Put Aria Sandy in a room with Camille Grammer and that's a good show. Oh my god. She is back.
Camille Grammer. She saw the Frasier reboot happening and she said, not on my watch. Sie hat gesagt, Paramount Plus? Fuck that, get me on Bravo.
Und fΓΌr Kontext, sie haben versucht, Camille Grammer zurΓΌckzubringen. Die Publikationen lieben sie. Sie ist Teil der, nicht der OG, aber... Wenn du sagst, sie, meinst du die Fans? Die Fans, aber auch, wir wissen, dass Ultimate Girls Trip auch ein Weg ist, die PersΓΆnlichkeiten zu testen und zu sehen, ob sie noch landen. Camille war Teil der Marokko-Saison, die gecancelt wurde, weil Brandy.
He really is going through it right now. He wants you to know.
So like they tried testing her. She showed up to the Wee Dinner too, right? Yes. So she's been and like slowly they're trying to reintegrate her. And now she's back and it's Dorit versus Camille.
Dorit, this is our season, man.
She's saying the C word.
Dieses Wort ist das Wort von Beverly Hills. Ich liebe dieses Wort so viel. Ich bin ein Fan davon. Es ist ein gutes Wort. Es ist. Erika-Jane hat... Du kannst nicht sagen, dass es ein gutes Wort ist. Erika-Jane hat eine KnΓΆpfe. HΓΆr auf. Ich habe nur gesagt, Erika-Jane... Du hast gesagt, es ist das beste Wort jemals.
Ich habe gesagt, ja, es ist es. Und du hast gesagt, nein. Nein, nicht fΓΌr dich.
I would never say it to a lady. I'm saying nothing.
I was just trying to say, Erika Jane wore a necklace that said the C-Word like six seasons ago and we learned our lesson never to say it again. Until Dorit and until now.
But he is determined to learn.
mean girl behavior if angie just came out of nowhere with high body count hair i would have been like mean girl angie but britney started that whole thing you know what i'm saying so yeah i guess but i've been kind of seeing i just feel like darit's been kind of everyone's punching bag for a for a moment she's finally like fuck it i'm not gonna let people punch down to me camille shows up out of nowhere starts fucking talking shit and darit's defending herself i don't feel like that's
Doreen ist so, warum bist du hier? Ich wusste das gleiche.
Oh, and grow. Of course. And most importantly for James, move forward with his incredible support system around him.
Ich war so, Camille? Sie war zurΓΌckgezogen.
Erica being like, we've all been through it.
I feel like forgetting your cast members' names actually would get you back on the show.
Victoria Drustis, we all can sing.
Camille was making the point that it happened within the same season that Camille needed support, but Dorit was... And she wasn't getting support from Dorit.
But to Nalia's point, when you have a bunch of privileged women fighting over who has the saddest life.
But they also all have been through very traumatic things. And I imagine being married to Kelsey Grammer was not fun.
And if nothing else, Housewives teaches us a valuable lesson that no matter how lucky and how privileged you are, that Trauma and pain and suffering and sadness and anxiety touches us all.
Nicht ein Anerkennung, wie furchtbar es ist, deinen Partner zu schlagen oder was auch immer. Ich meine, James ist der weichste der MΓ€nner von Vanderpump, das ich jetzt herausgekommen bin. Ich meine, James ist einer dieser kleinen Menschen und Individuen, der klar eine sehr groΓe Unschuld hat, wer er ist als Person und ist leicht getriggert.
What a piece of shit. I hate Kelsey Graham.
Frasier. Frasier. That means nothing to me, I will say.
Sitcom lore, sitcom lore, sitcom lore. Frasier Crane was a character on the hit show Cheers. And then he gets a spinoff called Frasier. Nothing? Which is very, very popular in the 90s.
He played like a basically therapist who was kind of an elitist, out of touch person. But also like, drank at a bar.
Yeah, but then like his dad comes to live with him and there's this dog and then it's like fish out of water and there are different kinds of people. Anyway, there's now a Frasier reboot on Paramount+.
Is Frasier Team Sutton? I mean, that's crazy. You are Team Sutton?
To keep her preoccupied. That's so evil.
I almost have to applaud all evil guys though. It's kind of... Es ist schrecklich. Nehmt es nicht.
Nehmt es nicht.
Das ist verrΓΌckt.
Ich bin Team Sutton und Garcelle to the grave. Warum? Ich liebe ihre Freundschaft. Ich liebe, was Sutton bedeutet. Was bedeutet Sutton? Sie bedeutet, eine gute Mutter zu sein.
based on one i will say the one time that i interacted with there it is clocks me for this i interacted with son like the second i graduated and like i didn't know what i was doing in life but i worked on her after show i sat with her and had like a full-on conversation and she the things she said to me was giving mother and since then i'm like well yeah you had a real life experience that is different that's definitely different you're allowed to be team set into the grave you've had a real life and garcelle we're just talking about what we see on tv
There are people in that community who think there's more to the story when it comes to the Dorit and PK home robbery.
I kind of wish Garcelle didn't bring it up, because she did get some flack from Reunion. Because she's taking someone's trauma and being like, well, that was fake. Und Garcelle hat es verabschiedet und sie hat es wieder aufgeschrieben.
Sie hat nicht gesagt, dass es falsch war. Sie denkt, Dorit wurde aufgestellt.
Also hat sie es verΓ€ndert. Ich verstehe nicht, dass man so viel Trauma nimmt. Es sind Hausfrauen. Es ist alles Trauma. Wie entscheidest du, welches Trauma nutzbar ist und welches Trauma off-limits ist?
Was ist das, wenn jemand sagt, dass eine Waffe in deinem Kopf gemacht wurde? Und deine Kinder waren neben dir. Und ich liebe Garcelle, aber ich war so, nein.
Garcelle funktioniert so, als wΓ€re sie untouchabel. Sie sollte. Warum? Ich denke, sie ist.
Ich liebe eine selbstgemachte Person.
Und wenn er klein fΓΌhlt, nimmt er es aus seinen Freundinnen.
Yes.
Ich glaube nicht, dass ihr versteht, wie reich sie ist.
Sie ist genau das, was sie sein sollte. Sie ist genau das, was sie sein sollte.
Ich liebe, dass sie sagt, dass sie ein professioneller Poker-Spieler ist, weil man nicht genug Geld verdienen kann.
Tiffany hat eine... Tiffany?
Sie... Und dann kommt Erika's kleine Zuhause.
If we get Jennifer Tilly on, do you think she'll bring Tiffany?
Jennifer, if you come on, can you please bring Tiffany?
Wait, going to Erika, have you noticed that her therapist is almost in every scene with Erika?
Yeah, it's a therapist and designer.
Erica is still holding on to this victim mindset. It is wild. It's different, though. She still needs her quote-unquote therapist to remind her.
She's taking accountability, though.
So she's acknowledging the past season she was... Her therapist had to remind her of her accountability. That's not exactly taking accountability.
I mean, the therapist is feeding lines. She was like, you know, it was kind of...
It was your fault that you didn't get the pizza party.
Yeah, she's like, you know, you kind of, you kind of like, you know, the earrings and the whole, like, you know, stealing from poor people.
Erica did not take appropriate accountability. And she acknowledges that. Yeah, she acknowledges that. Her therapist, again, had to remind her of that when she brought up the pizza party. I do think she could. The therapist was like, yeah, yeah.
She conveniently uses her therapist to feed lines for sure.
You don't think Sutton's a bit reactive? I never said she wasn't reactive.
I think Teddy is securing her season. I think the editors are behind her.
Do you think she just comes on, or do you think she replaces somebody? Friend of one episode.
I don't want her back on, but I think she's good TV, and she's every storyline now, so.
They probably don't have to pay her.
Okay. Nick and Sandy from the Alameda Square Off and do kind of a final like whose fault is it conversation with Nellie and I and it is a wild, wild episode. Again, Meredith Marks going deeper. Check it out.
Yeah, I would have liked to see James saying, hey, I want to come on here and acknowledge what has been hard to, you know, what I've been ignoring is that, you know, I'm an abuser of women and I apologize not only to the person I currently abuse, but all the people from my past that this must be a very triggering and difficult time.
One of which is a pregnant woman right now, Kristen Doty, who, yeah, it's really like after talking to you after all this, like it's a shocking how much has this been kind of swept under the rug.
Where's Lisa Vanderpump? Lisa?
It's gross.
Yeah, I mean, you know, that's you got to assume that stuff going on, but it's very easy to hold Lisa Vanderpump accountable.
What's so gross about this is because it's obviously a very sensitive topic and triggering for a lot of people. And I think just in general, I think part of the reason why we like watching reality TV, not only just for the mess, but for the opportunity for people to make meaningful changes and show growth. And when people...
die shows every once in a while show that growth it kind of inspiring for us because i think we all kind of project our own problems when we watch these characters and yada yada yada and it's just when it comes to domestic abuse it's just one of those things that's never acknowledged enough people are always trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the men who who do these things and
Die Tatsache, dass dieser Kerl seit wieviel Saisonen und wieviel Jahren auf diesem Show ist, mit dem wir jetzt lernen werden, dass es all diese FΓ€lle gibt. Und jetzt hast du die Situation mit Ali, wo der Polizeireport sagt, er hat sie aufgenommen und sie durchgezogen. Ali, wenn du sie noch nicht kennengelernt hast, ist eine sehr kleine Frau.
Und es ist der Fakt, dass es sich immer noch so ein bisschen unter den RΓΌcken geworfen hat. Es fΓΌhlt sich einfach so an, als wΓΌrde es niemandem die Aufmerksamkeit geben, die es braucht. Und es ist wie James, ich fΓΌhle mich, als wΓΌrde er es wieder wegnehmen, fast. AuΓer Christen, kommt jemand raus? Hat jemand etwas gesagt?
Ich weiΓ nicht, ob Freunde von einigen der Castmates auch haben.
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I don't know how close all these people are. I know Lisa Vanderpump is very close with James. I know Lisa Vanderpump has mentored and been like a second mother to James. And I think she is complicit in this cover-up of James' behavior. You know, she's in a position of power. And for her to not say anything, I don't want to put anyone else under like a... Under fire.
Under fire, because I don't know what they knew or how close they were or if they were working. But Lisa... Lisa, I think it's gross that Lisa doesn't say anything.
We have been seeing photos of Ali moving out, though. I know that's kind of all over the internet right now.
Das bedeutet einfach, dass du es mehr als mΓΆglich machst. Es ist ein Non-Negotiable. FΓΌr die meisten Menschen. Ich habe keine Ahnung. Ich verstehe nicht, wie ich getrunken bin. Genau. Es ist kein Entschuldigung, es ist kein Vorgehen. Anyways. Yeah, real disappointing, James.
I hope you never work again.
Yeah.
Ich?
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You've been too busy for us. You were just here and there and everywhere.
I'm being serious. I'm being dead ass serious.
To have never used a Dyson Airwrap and then to choose the first time you're ever going to use it on the day you chop your hair off is confident and brave.
It also does kind of feel like that they're using that like we want this. We want little girls to see. But it's like it feels like the message is like, oh, you need to be friends with like a billionaire like Jeff Bezos and he'll put you on a flight. Like, it doesn't feel like you need to, like, believe in yourself and, like, you'll become an astronaut.
You know, like, I don't see how those two messages.
They technically are now. Right? What is the definition of an astronaut? I'm calling them astronauts. They were in astronaut for 11 minutes.
Jeff Bezos's company where maybe if it were you know done by someone else it wouldn't have come off so wait so this is like a commercial thing that anyone can do if they have the cash yeah this was like the launch of it right like this is like the first trip and now it's like well I think Logan Paul has been like oh I'm on the next one like so it's an it's an elitist theme park Yeah.
That's true. That is not me being like, oh my God. Actually, I bought the Airwrap after I cut my hair.
Like everyone can go to space as long as you have.
Olivia Munn did have a good point. I think she like co-hosted the Today Show. And she was like, all that fuel, like rocket fuel can't be good for the environment for 11 minutes. Like, and if we're going to do if we're going to charge this and like make this a once a year kind of thing for whoever can afford it, like. We can't be doing good to our ecosystem.
What I found was that it's an $150,000 deposit that's required, but it's refundable to get a seat on one of these Blue Origins. And then the actual estimate for an individual seat can cost a range of $1 million to $1.5 million.
Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I got a DM, someone calling me a c***.
This is like the submersible.
Six flags for rich people.
And I just said this before you came on, but especially after hearing Gail King say that the best part of going to space was hearing Katy Perry sing live. And it's like out of everything you saw up there, not dying.
Yeah. Honestly, it'll probably just invite people to send me more c***. Or maybe prevent them from sending stuff.
She says, why are you legit such a bitch to lay it today about her hair? Maybe because you have money now you think being a bitch is cute. Oh my God.
Wow.
Jarring.
And it's also because like you, these stories go viral and you think, wow, like, is it even worth it? Like these hundred women aren't even like considered for this. And so it's like, is this, is it even worth going public? Is it even worth like all these people knowing that this happened to me? So I feel like these types of stories that go, you know, super viral and media coverage is crazy.
But also we're friends and it was clearly like going back and forth.
Like it can hurt a lot of victims.
But they also always feel like I'm such a bitchy to Nick, too, when I'm like, you didn't shut the cabinet doors last night. And they're like, oh, my God, how dare you call him out on a podcast? You bitch. So I do love you and I do love that your hair is short. So anyway, her message, her message looks the same to me. I'm never going to cut my hair again. You've got such a commotion.
So like we can drop the allegedly, right?
But her message above that is, where is this bagel place? Looking for good bagels in LA. Oh, no, for sure. Let me give you a f***ing bagel wreck after you call me a c***. Then her message above that is, Natalie, you can do so much better than Nick. What are you doing? It's like, so she cared about me. She thought I was like good and like too, like too good for you. So she cared about me.
And then she was like, oh, she has good taste. Like, and she has good taste in food. So like, where does she eat? And then like, oh no, she's actually a legit and I think being as cute.
Yeah. Nick's biggest concern. I would follow up, but you know, you can't follow up with crazy. What do you always say? You can't reason with crazy.
You can't fight the internet.
Well, just post another bagel and it'll go right back.
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Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.
Yeah.
I fucking hated it. Yeah, I know. It's good. It's really good.
Yeah, it's a I think it's Ben's best part. Like personally, like I think it's the part that like he looks like he's having the most fun, which people are like, really? And I'm like, yeah, I do. I think it's like the best part that he's ever had. I also think that it's it's pretty hard to pull off an elevated sequel.
Yes, of course. Natalie's pit is Nick's peach. Yes, of course.
But, you know, I always tell people like, you know, like James Cameron, like you establish the world in the first movie. And then in the second movie is when you can kind of like venture off and start to have fun. And It's only with really talented directors. So Gavin was really able to pull that off. And dare I say, I love the first one. I saw it in theaters.
My father also fucking loves the first one. But the reason why he loves it is because he was like, when we left, he was like, You know, it's really amazing. He's, you know, he's he's he's economical. You know, he's not spending his money everywhere. You know, his house. It's like a it's a reasonable house. Like, so that's what resonated with my dad. My dad's so cheap. So he felt very seen.
But I think the second was better. What was his reaction to being like, Dad, I'm in the second?
Oh, my dad freaked out. He flipped out. Everyone flipped out. I mean, I really loved the first movie in 2016. I went to go see it. So yeah, it seems like I'm always latching on to sequels. I get lucky with sequels.
Oh, my God. Peach and pit.
What kind of like preparation did you have to do to prepare for this role?
Well, I didn't have a whole lot of time. I mean, I think they just gave me enough time to start training for the fight scene. But thankfully, they shot that at the end of production. So if they shot at the beginning of production, like I may have been in trouble. And I've done I've done a lot of fight choreo stuff before, but my God, this one was definitely different and really involved.
And it's so funny because you work your ass off and then the scene ends up being like two minutes. You're just like, wow, I died for months. I didn't. So I didn't have a whole lot of time, but thankfully I had enough time to train. But as far as like character stuff goes so funny, it was I mean, to go way, way back. I I got a reading from a psychic. Her name's Jennifer Schaffer.
I actually met her at Jessica Alba throws this like Latino universe party. It's like every Latino actor ever like gets invited to this party and like everybody's there.
and i got there early because i'm a loser and so uh jennifer was was there she's a psychic and so she was giving free readings and they're like do you want to do you want to get a reading with jennifer and i was like yeah and it's just five minutes and she just like throws all this info at you and you don't even say a word and so i was like oh i have to talk to this woman again so i i spoke to her uh end of january and she says um
There's going to be a part that's going to come around. It's going to present itself. And then it's going to go away. And then it's going to come back. And it's going to change things for you. And I was like... Oh, boy. You know, I was I was so excited because also, you know, most actors, everyone's coming off of COVID and they're coming off of the strike.
And entertainment kind of has this feeling right now like it's being held on by a string. A lot of thoughts about that. So it's kind of a it's a little bit of a dark time. So I was like really jonesing for a win. And so I I got the audition for it and I did it and I knew who I was up against. You know, it's like usually no depending on the project, kind of who you're going to be up against.
And so I thought I did something really different. And I thought I was like, how do I just be scary? She's just going to be scary. And but then it went away. And I was like, what the fuck? I thought I didn't get a call back. Like I thought I was really going to someone's going to happen. And it went away. And at that time, I was attached to another movie that was supposed to shoot in Columbia.
And that had fallen through. Thank God. But at the time, like middle of February, I was like, shit, I don't have a job. And then my agent calls me at like 9 p.m. at night. And I'm pretty sure I'm actually I'm being sincere. I think I was like two gummies in watching the valley. And then my agent calls me and he's like, Gavin O'Connor, it's count two.
He just wants you. He just wants you. So please don't fuck it up. And I was like, oh, OK. Oh, my God. I just remember being stoned and very scared. Yeah. So fucking overwhelmed that I was having all this anxiety because I was having like such a chill night. And then it went to like 10.
And then I came in and for him and I think I think I only had one. Was it one or two? I think I only had one audition with Gavin in person. And the other the other piece of it, not to give away any spoilers or anything, but I just assumed that she was just kind of this sort of cool supporting character. I didn't realize like the whole movie is about my character.
Yeah. It's almost like she should have a spinoff. Literally. It's like they're setting up.
I feel like you also learn that you look amazing bald and with short blonde hair.
Oh, thank you very much. I mean, I did not prefer the bald look. I was happy when that scene just kept going into the next segment. But thank you. I appreciate that.
How exciting to find out that way that you don't actually have to like do it, you know?
Yeah. Oh, there was a, you know what? Before the movie started, they were like, they might want to shave your head. And I was like, what? I was so freaked out because I have taken so long to grow my hair out. And then once I got there, hair and makeup was like, we never wanted to shave your head. And I was like, why did they tell me that?
Yeah.
Yeah, I was really sweating because I've had like, you know, in the first Jurassic movie that I did, J.A. Bayona, the director, he was like, I want you to cut your own hair. And I was like, oh, right, right. Like, this character will cut your own hair. I was like, okay, great. And then he comes in the trailer with me. Okay, so now you cut your own hair. And I was like...
Best and worst. Peach and pit.
I'm in front of Oscar winning hair and makeup, but he's so like hardcore in the method. And so I literally had to take scissors and cut my own hair. And it looked so jank. Like, you know, when you get a Barbie and you're like working the scissors to like get the chunk off. I looked like that and I was like going to cry. And you're using plastic scissors.
Perfect.
yeah exactly um and and then they they fixed it up for me but um yeah it's always a I if it were up to me I would just excuse me I would only wear a wig and I would never cut my hair but uh the other thing that was crazy about this movie was uh I told Gavin, Gavin just asked me, like, so what do you think? Like, what's her look? What's her what's her vibe? And I kind of did a deep dive.
You know, when I knew less about the film, I did a deep dive on like female assassins in Mexico and like cartel assassins. And I kind of just went down a hole and. It's funny because I feel like when they portray assassins in movies or when they have a look, I feel like they always do the same cliche look, which is like they shave the side of the head.
First of all, I'm just telling you, producers and people out there, please stop having alternative women shave the side of their heads. Let's put that to bed and stop that now so that I don't get confronted with this for the rest of my career. But these women... And I never see this. And we didn't go this direction, but all of them have like the thickest fake eyelash extensions.
I'm talking about assassins who like have a high body count like in Mexico. They have long black extensions and then eyelash extensions like, you know, the TSA like extensions. It's like that. And I was like, where's that lady in movies? But I told Gavin, I was like, I kind of want her to be I want her to be blonde. Can she be blonde? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, really?
When I tell you that might not sound like anything to you. But in movies, everyone already knows what everything's going to be. You don't really get a say. So that was weird for me. Like, and then I had a meeting with all these department heads and they're like, OK, so what are we thinking for the look? And Gavin just looked at me and was like, just tell them what you want.
And I was like, that was so different for me. So I got to like really develop kind of character. Yeah, that's really good to be blonde.
No, no, I hadn't. No, it was definitely my first time. Ben's huge. Ben's like enormous. He's like a very tall person. When I first saw him, I was like, Jesus, he's like a sycamore tree. And Jon Bernthal, he's just the nicest guy. He's so nice.
No, I'd usually, I mean, when the JK scene, I was so excited, but I was also shitting myself. I was like, I have to come correct. Like I have to really be on it. And I was so excited because I mean, a lot of actors will say, I tend to find that like, especially like young actors are just jumping in.
You're like, I want to work with these directors and I want to work with like the coolest directors. And obviously anyone wants to work with those people. But at the end of the day, the people who make you a better actor are working with top actors. Like, A director is not going to make you a better actor. Other actors will.
And it's nice to work with people who are, you know, he's like, JK is like Oscar winning. Like he's top notch. So I was pretty nervous. And he's such a good fucking actor that he did this thing that really tripped me out. He would. OK, so we're like sitting at a table. And so in the middle of his scene, he'd be like, OK, I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And he so he would stop.
And every single time I thought that he was like cutting the scene, I thought that he was actually stopping. And so I would like, oh, he's stopping the scene. And then he would just keep saying his lines. And I was like, oh, he's not stopping the scene. Oh, no, no. He's oh, my God. He's such a good actor that I just got convinced he's so realistic. that I thought were cutting.
Like, that's how good he is. Like, he's, and he's so cool. And it's also like, you know, it's like super, super late. I think we shot that scene, like, I think it took like three days to shoot that whole sequence. And it's nighttime. It was like nighttime shoots. And so I felt like I was, I would try to, I would do good to like give him his space.
But then also like, I feel like good at making older men who are a little maybe grumpy and tired, like make them laugh. I feel like I'm the whisperer. Not to say JK is grumpy, but you know what I mean? He's a seasoned actor. He knows what he's doing and it's late and we're all tired. And I thought it worked.
I guess I'm speculating because you're sort of like talking about like, why is this person so in the zeitgeist? And I feel like people really identify with him because he has this underdog energy. Yeah. And he's earned, I think he's earned everyone's respect because, you know, he has been so public and we have seen sort of everything that's happened to him and the ups and downs.
But what I think is so awesome is that...
through all of that there's been one consistent through line which is that he fucking cares about movies he cares about movies artist equity his studio they're making some really wonderful projects they're setting their business up in a way that um really puts talent first that gives you know crew a percentage they're really looking after the people who who make the movies and
Sometimes that's that's that's not a big priority for for some people who are pretty high up. And I love that Ben cares if the if a movie is good. He cares so much. So, you know, if you're going to do a movie with him, like, oh, thank God, like people are obsessed whether or not this end result is good. And I think that's definitely the case with with this movie. And that's super, super smart.
Like sometimes he'll just like bust out some random thing. And I'm like, what? Like the other day we were doing we had this interview. with LA Times or someone, and he started talking about statistics, and I was like, what? It was just so like, wait, what are you talking about? It was so in-depth, and I was like, this guy is like, he's got layers.
But I also think that pop culture sometimes too, they'll, they'll pick on people they love, you know, like Keanu Reeves, right? Like, like everyone loves Keanu Reeves and you have sad Keanu. It's almost like a, it's a rite of passage.
Let's do Bev Hills and then Valerie.
I had the same question. Do you think that she had the intention of pulling that off? I feel like it was genuine. But do you think that she had the like, this is how I'm going to exit? Like it was premeditated? Yeah.
Like I feel like the way and the camera obviously wasn't on her the whole time. But you could tell that like they all cheers. She's holding her drink. Everyone's then putting their drink down. She kind of like gathers up her dress. It's like she waits for her moment and then is like, yeah, I'm out of here. I'm not taking like waited for Andy to be like, all right, let's take the group photo.
Yeah, I wondered the same thing. I almost wish that that you could have some sort of like, you know, visual like behavioral decoder who could like watch her face and then figure out what were the things that were said that really triggered her to just want to bounce. Because I had the same question. I was like, what is like, is there one thing? But it just seems like I don't know.
Probably.
Nobody was smiling.
She did say at the end that she felt like she was kind of like left alone on an island when she called out Dorit and PK on the whole, maybe the staged robbery of it all.
I got to tell you, I'm usually team Garcelle. Yeah. But if there was people who broke into my house and then like threatened me with like a gun and I had like kids in the house and that shit really went down. Yeah. I got to say, if someone said I made that up, you're going to get a reaction. Yeah. That's a little gnarly.
Nick did at some point, Nick did at some point say, now they do know where we live. So maybe, maybe reel it in.
The peaches of Georgia. Yeah, we invented it.
And I will say, I don't feel like she was ganged up on more than anybody else. I was like Sutton got hers, Dorit got hers, Kyle got hers. So it's kind of like she clearly internalized it. But it was just like, I don't know why when given the opportunity to share what you're feeling like. Right. She must have been deciding in that moment, like, I'm done. Right.
You know, like, I don't need to answer your questions because I won't be coming back. Because why wouldn't you want to clear that up?
I'm saying, I think that she was planning to bounce this whole time. Or I suspect, anyway. If you know you're going to leave, you're looking at the clock and you're like, are we done yet? And then I'm going to have my grand... Yeah, you're right.
She said she was not answering questions anymore. And then she still answered questions.
It did seem like the first time that Sutton and Garcelle were in a bit of a squabble.
Yeah. Right. And then they asked about Sutton's behavior. And usually Garcelle's like, no, I understand why or like tries to reason with. And she's like, yeah, no, I would say that that would be a bear.
And by the way, I don't approve of Sutton's behavior this season. I really did not like when she's like, well, my wallet is. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm also thinking to myself, but you married someone who had money. Girl, you didn't go and earn that. You married somebody.
I mean, granted, you could also say that she probably, rightfully so, contributed to his wealth because that's oftentimes what happens, right? Unpaid labor of women and the wife and the mother and these things. But I was just like, that is such a lame ass thing that I really just, I couldn't stand that. But I'll say this. I did go, what year was this? This was like maybe two or three years ago.
I went into Sutton's store in West Hollywood and I walked in and she was there and she Sorry, this place is a mess. Do you want some wine? Here. And then she, like, poured me champagne. And I gotta say, I was treated like royalty when I walked in. She didn't even know. She didn't know anything about me. And then we just, like, had I don't know how many little Proseccos. Just...
Chit-chatting, gift-a-gab, and talking.
Yeah.
I do feel like becoming appreciated your help. Thank you. Thank you. I do feel like becoming a mom, Leah, I wonder if you've entered this yet, of like, you do kind of become a Karen. Like, I think it's just instinctual of like, I will yell at people going too fast through the neighborhood. Like, I will tell you to slow down. I will like,
Yeah, I think Dorit is OK and feels confident like being the captain of her ship when it's when it gets mean. Whereas you could tell Sutton feels really uncomfortable. She doesn't want she doesn't like being there. That's not her. That's not her, you know, her safe zone. I feel like Sutton really hates conflict. Can we get a show with just Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly? Oh, my God.
And, like, they have to, like, go on some adventure, like a treasure hunt together?
Yeah, we need Miriam Cosby on that as well.
Squishy comedians is my favorite. Oh, yeah.
I suspect that they're going to do a turnaround. I suspect that, you know, they did with New York. I suspect that that's coming with Beverly Hills. A whole revamp?
A whole recast?
I feel like it. I mean... I don't like... I like the ladies. You know, when they switched up New York, I mean, shout out to the new cast. I also enjoy the new show. But I literally wanted to see those ladies deep, deep into their senility keep going. Like, I didn't want that to die. I wanted to watch that forever. Like, there will never be another Ramona Singer. No, there will not, hopefully.
It did come out that... The former View co-host Debbie Metanopoulos is in talks for casting on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills after Garcelle's departure. So she said that she's currently in talks with them. So I'm like, interesting.
She looks like good drama. Right? And she knows the tea on people, so I feel like she's like, no, I know you.
The people who I put out my no soliciting sign and they still come up and ring my doorbell, which makes my dogs bark and then wakes up my sleeping baby. I will chase you down the street and be like, did you see my sign? I am in that era of life. And so I think, yeah, getting on the phone with those people and them just giving me the absolute runaround frustrated me so bad.
She'll be like Camille part two.
Right?
Oh yeah, Camille.
Just dropping hints and little bombs.
I don't know. We'll see. Some of the storylines are getting a little...
I don't know.
The Erika Jayne season was like amazing. Yeah. Like that was great. Although I will say she's had the best, I think, come around. Like I love her story because she was pretty brutalized that season and they were going in on her like she was bait. And I think like she's like one of my favorite people now.
Yeah, I like the way that she's able to articulate herself now versus getting so angry and reactive. Now she's just kind of like, no, you said this. It bothers me. Why are you acting like we have a problem? We've squashed it. I'm just letting you know you kick women when they're at their lowest. And she's not wrong. And she's not wrong.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. How are you feeling about the valley? The millennial nightmare that is the valley. The walls are melting. Last night, the premiere for my movie is tonight. So I have some family that are in town. And my aunt was watching. She's never seen anything. She's never seen Vanderbilt. She does not know this world. And she's like watching 10 minutes.
Probably. Yeah.
And she's like, why are we watching this show with all these fucked up people?
Because it gets your mind off your own problems.
I just, I don't even, so, so many thoughts, but man, it just, it came out with a bang. This shit is messy.
Yeah, there's a lack of emotional maturity there, I think, on both parts. The thing that kind of bugged me about that storyline, which is so funny because after watching the first season, my boyfriend kept being like, God, she's so annoying.
And then it's like they need you to say certain keywords. So I was like... can I speak to someone else who like can actually help me with this? And he was like, well, everyone else that I could give the phone to would give you the same answer as me. And I'm like, just anyone else. And he's like, is there a type of person? And I'm like, you're a manager. He's like, that's the word I needed.
She's so annoying. She sucks. She sucks.
And then this season I told him I was like, you know, I know that she annoys you. I was like, but he and she's not obviously she's not perfect, but he's really making this shit toxic.
Oh, my God.
The toxicity is coming from from him. And it's like you love your kids so much. But if you love the child so much and you want what's best for your child, then what the fuck are you both doing?
Yeah, it it just feels so it feels unhealthy. I hope that they are both in therapy. And I've seen this, you know, in real life where the parents feel they have this vindictive sense about each other and they're so resentful and angry. And it's like, how long are you going to be angry? Like, Jesse, how long are you going to be pissed off? Like, you need to, like, put the shit aside.
But not until season four of The Valley. Yeah.
I'm like, stop playing a game with me. Like I'm not fucking around.
Yeah. It also sucks that it's playing out on TV and that like obviously that footage will be there forever. So it's not preventing Isabella from seeing anything. But I'm like kind of hoping or like I wonder if it's better that it is playing out on television because then they're trying to like win the divorce through the audience versus like usually you hear it being put on the kid. Right.
Where it's like your dad does this or your mom's a terrible person or whatever where it's like instead they're trying to convince us.
Like who's the better parent versus like an Isabella seems fine.
As far as I know. But I'm just like it just it's sad that this will forever be there. But I'm just like hoping that it's like the toxicity is being aimed at us versus like keeping it in the family.
Or maybe that's part of the storyline. Right. Maybe it starts off just like a total shit show and then people grow up by the end. Yeah.
All the Jack stuff is pretty dark. It's pretty like.
Talk about Jack's.
Yeah. Her being like, I don't want to be in the same room with him without someone else present. Like, he's not allowed to be alone with my child. That's crazy. Is he taking testosterone? Because he needs to chill.
And they're just so petty. Apparently, it just came in that the beer cheese is off the menu at Jax's for the Valley Viewing Party. Yeah, my mom's beer cheese is crossed off on all of the menus.
Yeah. Go Jax.
Go Jax.
That's all I do is I quote Britney as I'm watching. You know, and also, Hugh, I think that when he went to get help, which I feel weird talking about someone's mental health, but but I mean, they're all very public people. So I guess it's fair game. And here we are. But I think he's undiagnosed bipolar. That's a pretty serious. Was that right?
That's a pretty, you know, severe thing to go unchecked, unmedicated. So, you know, hopefully after that diagnosis, you know, maybe he can start to start to get treated. But that's also meant.
Right. Where I have to deal with my mental health struggles in private. So you do get paid for one gets paid.
Yeah, it is. And also him sort of pointing out that, oh, you're being seen with this guy. You're dating this guy. Isn't that so lame? I can't believe she's doing that. And I'm like, oh, my God, Jax has been seen with everybody. I mean, there was a while there was like every week it was like some different OnlyFans looking girl walking with Jax in a parking lot coming out of somewhere.
And I was just like, this guy is a mess. I mean, maybe at this point he knows, like, I am the problem. You know, I don't. I don't know. But I mean, I've been watching him for years. Like, I don't think he's 45. And that's a little too old. Be you know, I mean, like, I mean, he's already grown up.
OK, I'm going to tread lightly here because I am a devout Vander pumpette, pumpy, pumple. I've been watching them for years. I watched them since close to the beginning season. So I feel like I've I've been with these people. Also, true story. I hung out with Ariana and Tom Sandoval at my Jurassic Dominion event.
premiere, which was crazy because that was like a mutual beneficial like they were clinging to us because like we were in the movie. But I was like, oh, my God, they're here. Like, we have to hang out with them, which was amazing. And then I unfollowed Tom Sandoval after the Ariana stuff happened because it was Team Ariana.
But I still have love for Sandoval, even though he's, you know, he's Sandoval. Wait, what the?
What were we talking about again?
Them going on to the valley.
Oh, we had Vanderpump. Right, Vanderpump.
So I've been watching it forever. So what I'm about to say is these are people who I love and enjoy. However, if I'm just being perfectly honest, when I saw that Sheena and Lala, look, they need a paycheck and they are mothers. And so that comes first and foremost, right? People need a paycheck. However, when I heard that they were joining the valley, I was a teeny bit bummed.
I still want to see them. I just didn't want to see them in the Valley world. I feel like these universes need to be separated a little bit. But it's all getting really Marvel with each other. So it's like everyone's got to make their cameo.
I think I talked about this with Lisa on our episode on Tuesday of just like these people will just push and push and push and be like, but they, you know, they haven't called to complain yet. So let's just keep pushing. And they had like push this delivery forward. So many times to the point and then it was like, oh, well, our truck's full now, so it can't go on.
Wait, which one's Janet? The one that gave the fake apology or the backhanded apology. Oh, okay.
The one who's a husband walks around with no wedding ring. Yep. Gotcha.
Storylines or headlines? Storylines, I was going to ask how you guys felt about Janet's apology to Kristen.
That was a kind of lame apology.
Well, she called Zach. She said, sorry, I dragged you in with the demonic behavior. And it was very much like a backhanded, like, I'm not taking responsibility. It's not your fault that you're friends with a terrible person. Yeah. And it's just like,
Now, I wish reality TV stars just learned a little more about accountability. And, you know, when Jesse actually made that apology to Kristen, I was like, yeah, I really enjoyed that. That was so like no strings attached. No, like, but or, you know, I mean, you did kind of like was none of that. I thought that was like a clean, nice apology. I yeah.
And I'm like, well, this was I was scheduled for this three weeks ago. And now you're like not prioritizing me. And so you just you do have to like stand up for yourself because like to get what you want.
Yeah, that's true. She's a lot of things, but that's not one of them. Like, I can't think of a lot of times where she just straight up made something up. Yeah.
No? No. Do you remember Joe? Joe and Schwartz? Joe my gosh. Joe my gosh?
She was the one that was kind of dating Schwartz on and off. Oh, yes. Yeah, the blonde girl. Yes. Still in love with Schwartz. Well, it came out that Schwartz is recently single, and she did a Q&A. answering questions about him and saying that she had a lack of closure, but she's still blocked by him, but thinks that their relationship... Why did he block her?
She posted a, like, tribute to him almost in their relationship while he was in this new relationship with his girlfriend being like, it's been a year... But like, I still have love for this person. We're talking like a novel with like photos and memories and whatnot. And so he had to block her because he was telling her, like, respect my relationship. Right.
But yeah, now she's back on social media answering questions about him.
I was going to say there's other men.
You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a weird obsession.
You're young, white and hot like the world's your oyster. Just go find another guy. It's easy.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're all like apex Peter Pan people, like hardcore. But I do agree with you. I think that at the heart of Schwartz is always rooting for the underdog and the villainized. And I think deep, deep, deep down, I mean, I think that he's a good guy. It seems like he's a good guy. He's Sandoval. He's crazy.
They all have pages in the DSM.
Yay. Thank you all for having me. I really appreciate it. This is so therapeutic. I just love talking about Bravo stuff.
Yes. My Instagram is not Daniela Pineda. And my ex account is nothing because I am not on that platform anymore. So not Daniela Pineda on Instagram.
Wait, what was your pit? If that was your peach?
So many pits. Perfect. No, great. I hope you had a good weekend.
Yes, of course. Did anyone else have any fun peaches or pits of their week? Well, I got a Dyson Airwrap.
Yes, of course.
And you're definitely commenting on it.
like is he scooting or is he full on going he's scooting oh that's so fun yeah he's gonna learn quick yeah it's really it's exciting but I know it's also gonna become my pit very quickly I honestly everyone always said you know like oh just wait till they start walking like and I honestly I was ready for her to start walking because the crawling stressed me out like I'm like
I know you want it because they want to get down and they and they know that they can move. So they want to get down and they want to move. But then you're like, no, this we're outside. There's like dog poop like that. You can't crawl here. We're in the grocery store. You can't crawl here. So it was like, I want I need her to walk. And now she walks and holds my hand and it's perfect.
He'll get there. Yeah, I'm excited for that.
Sierra? I guess Peach. I colored my hair lighter and I like it. So there's that. Pit. I've been a single dog mom for a week and a half because Connor's been out of town. So that's been a little stressful. Yeah. And my dog's blind and 12 years old. And isn't Bailey like obsessed? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like one of those things where it's like, okay, I'll be here soon.
So I was like, that's been like stressful, but he comes back Sunday. So bless. God bless.
Mary, anything standing out to you?
And then be like, why the fuck are these people in my house?
I feel like you have an answer you want to share. And so that's why you're asking me.
That's crazy. I did find a... and it's a little icky, and it's a little cringy. I understand that, but I am in my flip-flop era. Do not look at my feet, but I am in my flip-flop era.
They're a little hot on us.
They're like 10 bucks at Walmart. They are so comfortable and easy, and I miss wearing flip-flops.
I don't know. We were going somewhere. And then we came back home. And then we were going back out again. And I was wearing shorts. And I was like, are these okay? And Nick was like, you know how I feel about shorts. And he was like, those are cute. It's actually the flip flops. And can you put a hat on? And can you put it back over your head?
You know, when someone's like, oh, you've been a real bitch. You know, when someone's like, when was like the last time or when's the next time you're going on vacation? And you're like, oh, I don't. No, maybe in a few. When are you? They're like, well, next week I'm going to Italy. And then I'm going to France. And then I'm going to... And it's like, oh, okay. You wanted to talk about your trip.
Guys, this space trip has turned into the most laughable moment of our history, I believe. Yeah. Who said it, that this was a billion dollar of memes? Who said that?
We should definitely bring her in, but I have one thing I want to say before Elizabeth gets here.
And that's the fact that Gayle King said that the best part... Of it all was Katy Perry singing What a Wonderful World. It's like she didn't want to just like listen to Spotify. Like you had to go to. That's the best part of you going to space is listening to Katy Perry sing. I didn't think about that. No for me, dog. That's the best part of her going to space. Not like, oh, I saw the moon.
It was like you heard Katy Perry sing live. Like go to a concert. Maybe that's why he face planted. That was so embarrassing for him. Who face planted? Jeff Bezos.
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They were chatting it up like crazy. I had to take River on a walk. They were chatting so much.
My bad. Poor communication on my part.
I thought I told her that we're going to stretch. So.
The closet was right there.
Maybe.
How is Heidi still number one?
My favorite thing about this story is just the way Heidi and Spencer are a team. I think what I find so inspiring and attractive about this story is this, and I think we need to acknowledge it more and more. I love the way husbands will support a wife. It's just the way Spencer has been riding for Heidi in the manner that he has.
I find it to be so awesome and so attractive in a way that I think we need more of that. I think we need to celebrate it. Just in general, I don't think we do that enough. And whether you're in a relationship romantically or not, I think we need to celebrate people having the backs of their people, whether it's your friends or things like that. I just find that to be so attractive and great.
And I just want to commend Spencer and Heidi in general. But I just love the way Spencer is riding so hard for his wife. And they clearly are a team facing this tragedy. And I think it's something we need to celebrate.
what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and have anyone here ran out of gas no no what do you mean what what do you mean like oh like like actually or just like emotionally while you're driving while you're driving the car like slows not metaphorically literally stops because all the time if we're talking about metaphorically
Yeah. And I love that they just have each other's backs. And I think I just think that's great. I just, you know, I think too much now our society is very much like individualistic. You know, it's all about like thinking about what you need yourself.
You know, it's just like and I love that we're, I think, transitioning to more like celebrating people who are protecting their own thinking outside of themselves, you know, like whether it's just your wife or your kids, but like not just thinking about you, the individual. And I think it's great. Absolutely.
Yeah. Having their back. Or is this the way, you know, Justin Baldoni is back in the news. Apparently his lawyer is demanding Disney hold documents to support his claim that Ryan teased him in Deadpool.
I think fans always are looking for Easter eggs and speculate, but it really stemmed from Justin Baldoni's lawyer doing his press tour and trying to like try this case in the court of public opinion and making the accusation that Ryan was like bullying him. Yeah, implying that he was bullying.
We do, yeah.
That's mock or harass. I mean, that's just ridiculous. And I hate even giving it oxygen. But back to like supporting your partner. I mean, I don't know what I don't know what it would be like to be in Blake's position had this gone on. But I imagine it'd be very difficult. Also, according to Justin's team, like a week ago, it wasn't the only thing that Ryan did.
Again, according to the complaint that apparently, according to Justin's lawyer, Ryan, what was the phrase?
berated him for fat shaming blake and it's just like well which one is it like does that all he did was mock justin or did he also stand up for his wife when you called her trainer i i are people just tired of this guy like playing the victim here i don't know again i know we've talked about this a lot some of you have listed obviously some of you are team justin we respect that fine
My opinion, just to remind you, is primarily based on the fact that I had met Justin before I interviewed Justin and was left just with a really terrible impression of the man.
And then, obviously, reading the complaints and all the, like, what I perceive as very, like, strong evidence against Justin versus, like, all the, like, list of text messages that Justin put out there to just kind of confuse people. But also, people were just like... in the comments, it's like, you're not giving Justin a fair opportunity.
You gotta wait for... We give our opinion on the show, to be clear. We bring people like Emily Baker on or Elizabeth Blackmeister from CNN to make sure that we're forming our opinion on facts and good information, but like... To be clear, we give our opinion and we're happy to be wrong at times. We're happy to change our minds, but we are giving our opinion.
But once again, like back to the Ryan and Blake, it's just it's I find it to be almost like once again, creepy and just like tasteless for like Justin's lawyer is basically they're trying to use. I'm assuming if even if that were true. or whether it's berating Justin for fat shaming his wife, all these stories are centered around supposedly Ryan defending his wife. That should be celebrated.
We should back that up. I don't know what it'd be like to be in their position. I'm assuming you'd do all sorts of things, but mocking someone for doing what he did, yeah, of course I would do that. And the fact that people are eating that up as if that somehow makes it less valid is you know, Blake's arguments because Ryan may have mocked him in a movie.
I mean, I imagine wouldn't you like, are we, how do we know what, what you would do if you were stuck in that situation?
Yeah, or mocking them or, you know, making fun of them or finding your own way to like express yourself. I mean, it must be very challenging to be in their shoes to like not be able to speak out. Obviously, everyone has lawyers involved. Most of the time, lawyers say, you know, don't say anything. You don't say anything. You got to wait the long games.
Here they are just like the Internet is doing their thing. We now know that, again, allegedly, Justin and a lot of seems to be strong evidence to back it up, hired this whole like crisis PR team. Again, the same one that like took down Amber Heard. Amber Heard, and then the very same patterns online. And it's just like, imagine what it'd be like to being in their position.
I don't care about your emotional health right now. Okay. No, have you ever run out of gas in the car?
What were they left to do? And then it just seems so gross that everything that Justin's being accused of, they're just trying to spin it around and flip it and then trying to court a public opinion. It just seems like the only people who want to believe Justin are the people who went to school with a girl that reminded them of Blake Lively. That's just my opinion. Again, my opinion.
You guys are welcome to be wrong. But again, my opinion is strongly based on the fact that I met Justin and I just really got a bad vibe. Whether he allegedly mocked him or not, who knows, but I know I would if I were in his shoes. I'm all for people standing up for their wives, their partners, their friends, their family, their people, their coworkers, having each other's back.
We don't have that enough. I feel like the past few years, it's all about take care of yourself, worry about yourself, and not speak up. No one wants to have their people's back. And so back to Heidi and Spencer, I love the way they're supporting each other I love their way they're being a family. And I think it's very inspiring. And I want to see more of it.
I love the way a bunch of celebrities have been posting it. Like Diplo has been posting, supporting Heidi and Spencer. I mean, the list is long in terms of- Paris Hilton. Paris Hilton. Tiger Cats of the Hills is supporting it.
Yeah, there you go. We were making kale salad. I don't know. I love it. I'm happy for them, and I'm just ready for Justin and his lawyer to hopefully go away. Does this not seem petty that they're doing this? Once again, read the complaints. Read them in full detail and have an open mind. Sydney Sweeney, what an interesting marketer to her movies.
I did the other week.
Also supported Blake Lively.
But they do look couple-ish.
You're right. But if you were in a photo with a co-worker like that, I would be a little uncomfy. Wasn't it they left a Broadway show together or something? They just seem like they're hanging out in public.
Here's the thing. We have two cars. Nellie has her car. I have my car. Nellie's car is the family car. It's giving mom. I have just the day-to-day. I literally only drive my car to work and to the grocery store, maybe run some errands. That's it. That's all it is. So I just don't really pay attention to that light.
Maybe I just have Glenn Powell PTSD from that movie. I think that's what's happening here.
The girl's father to her right.
She's not doing that.
I mean, when that was going on, the Glenn Powell one, I was like, they're in a relationship. You couldn't do that. That one had to be marketing, yeah.
Yeah, boy. Man, her fiance, he's strong.
Has Harry and Meghan reached out?
See, I don't like this headline because as we were discussing earlier, I think it's just photoshopped. I think it's just a straight up catfish situation.
I said the man looks more like Brad Pitt than Brad Pitt. And then because I read the headline and they referred to him as an imposter. Yeah. And like imposter implies someone who like looks like and is acting like it makes you believe they're that person. A catfish is someone who's like send you the picture of the person they're trying to pretend to be and says, I'm this person.
And the other person is dumb enough to believe them. What do they call it? Just a public service announcement. You're not dating anyone you've never met. Period.
No, or anyone. Or just anyone. If you've never met him, you're not dating.
And then when the light goes on, it's like, I don't know, I might have three or four or five more trips to work left in me. One day I got in. I just didn't
She had $800,000 to give away.
Wait, she divorced him to be with Brad?
Do you think she asked a fake Brad about the plane ride to be like, Hey, before we take any next steps in our relationship, I just got to know like what happened.
And these are Photoshop photos?
pay attention and honestly i gotta criticize audi here like their light is this it beeps once it beeps once it's not like uh you really needed to go get gas it was like the it like the light beeped i got in my car a few more times i kind of forgot about it you should also criticize them for the light on the side mirrors when there's a car there because you don't um pay attention okay sorry
Doesn't your mom have like an acquaintance or friend who thinks she's dating Keanu Reeves?
I know, but it's crazy.
We declare it didn't happen to me.
No, I know they're vulnerable, but they're not stupid. And that's what was crazy about this woman who showed up on my door. Like she was, for all intents and purposes, a normal person. She seemed smart enough, you know, like very capable. And she emphasized how crazy she wasn't. And I was like, I think I've told this story. I said, you may not be crazy, but I need you to recognize.
It was during COVID. She like quarantined for like two days.
She figured out where we lived.
And then showed up at 7 a.m.
Yeah. It was scary.
53 is not 93.
There's only so many medical emergencies they can have for why they can't meet you this time.
I just don't like the headline. It's just not an imposter. It's just a catfish. Woman was catfished.
It really... I mean, I was like another person who looks like Brad Pitt.
But I was fooled by the headline, not the photos. I didn't like do a deep dive on all the photos.
Well, sure, because it said imposter.
like this creepily really look like there was there's a taylor swift imposter who showed up at the grove and like hired security and like i know her name and walked and acted like and wanted people to pretend that she was taylor swift there's been michael jackson impersonators things like that so when you say impersonator i'm thinking that i'm not thinking catfish catfish is just like any of us claiming to be someone else and sending photos of that other person saying i'm this person
Can I see a picture of this person?
It was really, really bizarre. Jesus. What about Taylor Swift's impersonator?
Okay.
When you see someone super famous, you just, you won't believe it's them. And you're like, is that them?
Yeah. We had that moment with Justin the other day.
And I thought we saw Justin in the car.
You know another thing I really struggle with? What? The turn directions on the map.
Traders drama. Lindsay Hubbard speaks up. I'm confused by this story. Can you bring people up to speed, Justin?
To which Peacock and Bravo all said it's completely false.
But was Lindsay at this party? So how does Lindsay know that Dorinda was doing this?
But that still has nothing to do with whether she was or wasn't on traitors.
You know what I found out? You want to hear some traders?
Tea?
So Ion now sadly has left the show. We all, you know, as we know, the fires have affected L.A. As Dorinda pointed out on Watch What Happens Live, her press tour was canceled. So was Ion's. They were both going to be in studio last week, but obviously we had to adjust a lot of our schedule due to the fires beforehand.
I didn't know, in no disrespect, she's obviously a star in her own right, but I wasn't totally familiar when it was pitched to me that Ayanna wanted to come on in the cast. So I was like, oh. And Leia was like, oh, I'm like, send me her Instagram. She sends me her Instagram. And I looked her up and I'm like, oh. And then I was just kind of, you know, taking a look.
And I went to my messages and noticed that Ayanna had messaged me. She had DM me in the past. What? Multiple times.
2017. This is like archived receipts. This is fresh off the, yeah, this is right after The Bachelor, I think, my season got done airing. I think I was finishing Dancing with the Stars. It was right around, I might've been done with Dancing with the Stars, I might be on Dancing with the Stars. It was right around that time. Her first comment to me is, you're full of yourself as a man.
With four cry, laughy face emojis. Now she's replying to a story. I unfortunately can't look up what that story was. It says story unavailable.
Probably.
I was just, I was trying to see what landed on my page. I didn't really know at the time. Figuring out the tone. This is when Instagram stories literally just became a thing.
Mind you. Like, I don't know what's going on. When Instagram stories first came out, I was just like opening up and just like taking selfies and like not talking because I didn't really didn't know how to talk to the camera at that point. My friends were like, you need to stop doing that.
It's hard. It's hard to say. I probably will. You know, a year goes by.
A year and two months. June 9th, 2018. She follows up. And this is not a reply to anything that I'm aware of. It's just seems to be unprompted. But you need to grow up.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That wouldn't. No, that's just I just didn't know that it told you what lane to go in.
i'm dead she hates you she fucking hates your guts and then right around and then and then she dm'd me december 21st of this last past year but i think this was around scheduling her to come on and she just messaged do you live in la which i gotta i really respect her because she clearly messaged me before like she messaged me she could have seen these other messages and unsent them but she's like nah fuck it i'm just gonna leave them for him to see she is who she is
It really makes me love her.
I can't wait to have her on. We have so many questions. How did I land on your radar?
How did I look?
She's confirming the allegation. Bob was also full of himself, apparently.
He needed to grow up. You and Bob have so much in common. Probably, yeah.
You know, it's nice to see him shine.
Who isn't rooting for him?
The hot brother of another... Beloved man.
Do you think Zach is handling this with grace and support for his brother? Or do you think there's any, you know?
Which confused me. I was like, I'm watching it.
I did not know that. I was like, wow, they really think he's a sensible guy.
You don't seem down to earth.
Anyway, I ran out of gas. And thankfully, I wasn't too far from home. But, you know, like, I had to call now. I'm like, sorry, babe, I ran out of gas. She's with River.
So you don't get a choice.
What do you think it's going to be?
You think it's a pilot?
Yeah.
Pilot, though? I just... Well, if it's a pilot, then it's not Bravo. I just don't see... I don't see Bravo doing a show slash spinoff with Ariana and Katy and, like, doing a pilot. It's like they're going to just decide whether they are going to commit to a series or not.
If it's like a Hulu or something else, then maybe. Yeah, I don't.
How many takes?
It definitely could be something that's not a spinoff.
I loved it. I know you did. We'll get into it after we talk to Molly, but I have never disagreed or thought a housewife was more wrong than watching Kyle on this episode of Beverly Hills Housewife. Honestly, Kyle was so wrong and so out of touch with her take that it felt almost staged and fake. It's just like, I don't know, maybe it's just not real. I just couldn't imagine that Kyle...
On a walk. I'm literally, I ran out of gas as I was turning. So, like.
Is this self-centered, manipulative, delusional, just that bad of a friend, that much of a not-a-girls-girl? The list goes on. It's hard to believe that Kyle would be this way if not just taking one for the team for the Beverly Hills Housewives. It was shocking.
And this is not for my love of Dorit.
It was just more like, what is she doing?
Kind of in the middle of the street.
Yeah. You know what? It was the back of her hat when I made that comment, so I didn't have the pleasure of seeing her face.
All right. Up next, the new star of Southern Charm. Also runner up from America's Next Top Model a few seasons back. And I just found out what?
I was about to make a right turn.
Exposed.
It was before my reality TV era. Anyways, he's also a really good singer. We just found out. Molly O'Connell.
It's so embarrassing. no imagine me i was when i received the call that's all i could think of is if i was in that car i would have to just like throw the car away like leave it i'm done i'm done um i i was i was stuck i tried to move my car to the side apparently not strong enough
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Yeah, how have you been? What's new?
In Charleston?
Oh no.
That's crazy. Well, we, you're now on Southern charm. How did you end up on the show in the first place?
Have you checked in on Craig since his breakup?
Not to pick a fight. But I did say in that moment, I said, actually, you probably should go. It was like an either or.
I don't know. Has anyone checked on him? Is he okay? Is his heart hurting? Do we know?
It's my fault for running out of gas, but I definitely said you should definitely go to the gas station.
Even if you wanted to. I don't know. It's totally fine.
Do you ever pop into the Republic, the Republic Bar or whatever on Southern Hospitality?
Am I allowed to ask? I'm 37 tomorrow.
So, so what can we expect the rest of the way on Southern charm? Because while we've really enjoyed watching you, it's been a bit of a slow moving season and kind of waiting for like, what, what are we, why are we tuning back in?
What about you? Are you involved in any drama this season? Do you go toe to toe with anyone?
What was a more challenging experience to film or feel welcomed? Southern Charm or America's Next Top Model?
Who was more rude about food, Whitney or Tyra Banks?
So then he's like, I thought she was going to turn around, grab the gas can and then go to the gas station.
I always thought he was a cool, cool dude back in the day.
I also imagine it's still like a hotbed for creeps and kind of predators like the photographer that you mentioned in terms of people who pretend they're there for art or fashion or beauty and they're really just there to crop a field or get a glimpse.
Things like that.
Why didn't it work out?
So her car is fuming with gas. I have to pull. I have to.
Are there any potential showmances that could bud in this show? I feel like there has been a lot and maybe everyone who was going to date has already dated. But is there a possibility for kind of any in-group hooking up?
Yeah, this was like three weeks ago. I have to take River out of Nally's car because it's full of gas and put her in my car and fill it up with gas. Take River home.
All right.
Okay. We will. We are. Any more questions for Molly?
Why didn't you, what, why, why did you pick reality TV as opposed to like being the next top pop star?
I will say, though, I couldn't move my car, and a very kind homeless man was like, let me help you, and he helped me push my car off to the side. I never have cash on me, but for some reason, I had $200 bills that were just, like, put in a hole in my wallet, and I gave him a $100 bill.
Well, you know, it's the least I could do. That's nice of him to be honest.
Well, Molly, it's been great getting to know you and catching up with you. And we're excited to see your story unfold in the rest of the season of Southern Charm. And thanks for joining us and being so vulnerable about your story and also sharing a little bit of tea from America's Next Top Model. It's really been a pleasure. And thank you for taking the time.
And happy birthday.
Bye, Molly.
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The only reason we brought up this story today is because we got it shampooed. We got it detailed. I came home. I immediately started shampooing it. You put a bunch of baking... Put baking soda on it. That didn't really do much. Then we got it detailed. That kind of helped.
She wanted to be a mailman.
All right, well, we have Emily Baker coming up soon to let us know if TikTok really is going to be banned and how that all is going to break down. But before we get to Emily, it's time for Vibes vs. Stats. Which I care less about now that the Packers are gone, but it's not about me.
I'm just happy that the Philadelphia Eagles stepped up and did the right thing when it came to their disgusting fan.
And banned from entering and watching any more Eagles games at the stadium. He was harassing. Philadelphia fans are notoriously harsh. Intense.
Sometimes. And sadly, inappropriate. I've mentioned it, but I believe they have an actual courthouse in the stadium with a judge ready to go. Stop. Yeah, when they arrest people to just try them or, I don't know, convict them. I don't know. Bird law. They get right to it.
I think, I don't know. I don't know if the judge is wearing a robe or whatever, but they do have a courthouse. But anyways, during the game, a Packer fan, they played the Packers, and a couple, a young couple went to the game, and he's filming this guy harassing his girlfriend or wife or partner, fiance?
calling her a dumb fucking c-word and the guy was just like hey don't call her that you can't call her that I really don't like the people online who are just like is that all you did as if like what are you supposed to do when you're surrounded by a bunch of other Eagles fans are you supposed to what like pick a fight like
So anyways, the good thing is he did get it on film and this guy just kept repeating it. You're a dumb fucking C word. And he posted online and the Eagles did the right thing. His place of business. It sounded like this guy had like... BCT partners. Yeah, a job job.
Yeah.
Yeah, I did. And then I was like, I could just do this. I could get a new one for 75 bucks.
So really, this is so fake.
I did hear Bradley Cooper opened up a cheesesteak restaurant, and I hear it's good.
Oh, in Philadelphia. If I ever go back to Philly. I've been to Philly once.
I didn't enjoy it. This was like my first job out of college and our training session was there and it was the middle of summer and my biggest takeaway, it was like 90 degrees and inside every building was 50 degrees and they blasted their AC and outside smelled like garbage and inside was freezing and that's all I remember about Philly.
You can go to the dealership and get literally the exact same.
We don't, because we love it.
And then I believe they gave the rooms that they reserved for, you know, the incoming players in L.A. to families who were displaced by the fire and allowed them to use those homes at SoFi Stadium.
And so Natalie's good friend, Chambliss, her boyfriend is in the boat cleaning business. Okay. And so he deals with smells and cleaning.
And we love it when the Vikings lose, so that is nice. Well, go Rams. Hopefully you guys beat the Eagles.
All right, that does it for vibes versus stats. Emily Baker is up next, and then we'll be breaking down Bev Hill's housewife and Southern hospitality.
Emily, how are you? Good, thanks. How are y'all? We're doing great. So, elephant in the room, is TikTok going to be here Monday morning? Or next week? Or what's going on?
Yeah. And so he told us, because for the past three weeks, like, it kind of just don't smell like gas. And we're like, what are we going to do? Do we have to get a new fucking car? Like, can't you just keep getting in this car? Like, we definitely cleaned it, but it just, it gave a little, it gave gas.
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And what is the law that they passed that says why they can't use that? Like, what specifically is that law?
So for the people like Kevin O'Leary or I think Elon Musk has been speculated, let's say some billionaire or other group of people get together and buy TikTok or an organization like Microsoft comes in and buys TikTok.
There's this thing called, like.
You're saying that even if that happens, the algorithm that is now currently running TikTok, no matter what, TikTok, as you see it, will forever be different come a week or two from now.
Fascinating. Given what you're saying, I mean, why wouldn't BitBiteDance or TikTok just raise the flag, give up and sell to someone? Because it sounds like they can't do business as is where they're doing. So why not at least try to make some money by selling it?
If anyone has spilled gas in the L.A. area and they don't know how to get gas or a foreign smell out of their car, it's this young man. He works out of his house. Very young professional.
Wow.
have you uh have you heard of red note a lot of people are speculating or apparently a lot of americans are already downloading it to replace tiktok in anticipation for tiktok being banned i checked it out it looks like red notes also owned by the chinese government or again is that different same again is it an algorithm thing what does that look like and do you anticipate you know the people americans like finding a replacement like that and what happens when it's also a chinese company owned business
Does great work. You also detail and wash your car. Yeah.
How does it smell? You were in this morning.
We are dedicated.
That's crazy. Thank you for all that information. Moving on. I know there's been some kind of breakthroughs and updates with the Diddy case. Can you update on anything that you've learned recently that that's changed?
So it'll smell fine in a day or two.
Yes.
That's what we were experiencing, but I don't know if they had the ozone machine back in the 80s. Yeah. That was a product of BO, wasn't it?
Very similar to the... Also, I don't know if you've also kept up with the Justin Baldoni and Blake Liley case yesterday. I think something similar were Justin's lawyers. I think they went to Disney and demanded that they preserve footage from the Deadpool movie. Kind of very similar. It seems like they're just trying to turn around the original arguments and kind of flip it on their head.
I mean, is this lawyers being lawyers? But like, I guess, you know, how do you see it? And I guess, am I even properly articulating, you know, what's going on in that case?
By the way, we have a great episode lined up today. Molly O'Connell from Southern Charm is joining us via Zoom. She was on America's Next Top Model.
Yeah. Well, I mean, the way I kind of almost... Maybe Justin will just blame Diddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To me, it seems like Justin's lawyer is really just trying to fight this case in the court of public opinion, and they're just trying to basically antagonize his followers to give them more arguments to harass the people who don't support Justin online. But that's just kind of how I see it.
I get more questions about that than I do Southern Charm. Do you think maybe she's been sexting Craig to maybe bring up his spirits since the breakup?
Did she send him a courtesy nude? Hey, sorry you're hurting. Here's a titty.
It really seems like something that people just really think is not going to happen. It almost seems like surreal, but it sounds like it really is happening. And it'll be interesting to see how things play out.
Maybe for good reason. I don't know. You said a lot of things that I think should give a lot of people pause. So it's very interesting.
Honestly.
And as new parents, and as you mentioned, I don't know, when it comes to protecting our kids, I always can get behind that, even if it upsets other people. And yeah, it's sometimes scary what kids have access to, or who has access to your kids when it comes to these types of technology.
As long as she had his consent. Obviously, yes, of course. Also, Emily D. Baker joins us, our legal, unofficial legal correspondent for TikTok. Is it going to be here next week? I don't know.
Scary stuff. Emily, thank you so much for your time. We appreciate you, and we'll talk soon. Talk soon.
If you want to come on and just not talk the law and talk some Traders, let us know.
Who's your frontrunner? Give me your early frontrunner.
Yeah, but I think I'd have a target on my back right away. I don't know. We'll see. Also, who's going to do the show?
Well, I mean, now they could do the show. I just... Sorry. Yeah. Of course now they could do the show, but...
It's like a month. Yeah, it's like a month. I don't know.
A month in Scotland doesn't sound right. I don't know. They don't have real bacon.
You ask for bacon, they give you ham.
All right, Emily. We'll talk soon. We'll talk to you later soon.
Interesting stuff.
Do you have to change your opinion, Mary?
Honestly, mixed feelings. But Emily is going to join us later this episode to give us a 411 on all the legal aspects of the TikTok ban. Will it survive? Will someone buy it? A lot of burning questions. But before it is canceled, according to TikTok and Bustle, TikTok's latest movement is full Bush positivity.
Well, the key takeaway is if you're following us on TikTok, me or the show... just go ahead and follow us on Instagram and YouTube.
There you go.
It's set.
OK, well, keep watching that Beverly Hills. What the fuck was Kyle? I mean, what is going on? Is this real? Is that my first question? Is this real?
First, we gotta start back from last week when Kyle and Dorit got into it and Kyle is losing her mind.
Veins popping out of her head. yelling at her friend. If that doesn't scream guilty, I don't know what does. I don't know who looked more guilty. Kyle on Beverly Hills or what's her name on Southern?
But then like the double down-ness, the manipulation, going over to Bo's house right after surgery, by the way, she's like, yeah, you know what? I know you just had surgery, but let me come over and try to change your mind because that's more pressing than your healing journey. I love Bo so much. Like she's so smart and she's so like, she doesn't buy any of this bullshit.
What does it say in there?
That was so dirty. And then act like you care all of a sudden just because she was part of a group hug with your ex-husband. And then in the same episode, Kyle admits that if it was someone were talking to my husband, she'd be just as pissed. Right there, end of conversation. You just acknowledged and empathized with Dorit and said that you would feel exactly how she feels.
And yet you still want to convince everyone everyone else that they're wrong and you're right. And like to say, I don't think I could ever be friends with Dorit. What the fuck is going on? It seems so out of pocket and so out of touch. Like I'm, I'm prepared to believe that it's all an act. Kyle is just taking one for the Beverly Hills housewife team. I don't, I don't know.
I just, I don't know Kyle. I've never met her. I don't doubt that she's set in her ways. I don't doubt that she has a hard time taking accountability and apologizing at this stage in her life. But this is crazy talk.
Is TikTok's final words?
I mean, I'll walk with my shoes. I'll keep my shoes on. But if someone asks me, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
At first I was mad that like, why are we uninviting the drama to Chuck E. Cheese? Were you seen, Justin?
I was like Garcelle Sutton in Chuck E. Cheese. For those of you who don't know, Justin weirdly thinks Chuck E. Cheese is good pizza. The best pizza.
How would you rate fast food pizza?
If I had to pick, I'd pick Domino's. And obviously, I would never eat such disgusting food at this stage in my life. I do think Papa John's is the most disgusting food.
Oh my God. I haven't had Chuck E. Cheese pizza in some time, but I'm willing to bet it's better than Papa John's.
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I don't care who Kyle's fucking anymore.
She doesn't want to talk about it or she does. I didn't give a fuck.
Not anymore. I don't, how do, am I, do, I was triggered by Kyle's behavior.
Is the rest of Bravo Nation feeling the way we're feeling or does Kyle's, are Kyle's stands still standing?
I was just shocked by her behavior. I'm like a disappointed parent.
The simple fact that Kyle is even trying to argue this, even if it was only memes, the only appropriate response to someone, especially if you can... The whole girl's girl, guy's guy argument, it's real simple. Does this make you uncomfortable? Yes, okay, I'll stop. That's it, that's all, end of conversation.
It's her husband, separate or not, she gets to decide what her comfort level is with her friends engaging with her partner, and she doesn't have to be rational. She doesn't even have to make sense. She just gets to say, this makes me feel uncomfortable, and everyone just should shut the fuck up.
The fact that Kyle is fighting this fight is just bonkers, and the way she's fighting it is, I don't mean to overdo it, but it was like, she'll do anything.
That means PK's talking some shit.
Why do people criticize dumb people as if it's like a decision?
That's the quote for the episode in the copy. And I'm not, again, not only want to stand up for Tom Sandoval here, but if he is, in fact, not as smart as other people, like, I'm sure he wish he was. You know, like, sometimes if you're just, you know what they say about stupid people, it's just like, it's, what do they say?
Well, it's like, you know, it's the same as being dead. You know, you don't know that you're stupid, just like you don't know that you're dead. It's just painful for everyone else. But it's also not your fault.
Yeah. I mean, like, can we show a little grace? And I am not saying Dorit, I don't know Dorit, but like, I feel like her cells always like coming at her or just even Sutton. And a lot, it always felt like Dorit should know better or she's not, I don't know. It just felt a little, I kind of feel like the bullier.
Boze isn't threatened. Boze knows she's smart. Boze knows she's sophisticated and super intelligent. And she doesn't need to prove that by explaining things to Dorit and trying to make Dorit feel stupid like all these other women often do. They read a book and then they go and been like, well, do you know like this? I don't know. It just...
What also I love is that even though she's the new girl, with Kyle being like the queen of Beverly Hills, the fact that Kyle feels the need to go to Boaz's house to get Boaz on her sides, like, shows the power that Boaz has because of her independence and the fact that she doesn't give a fuck.
Who's saying it's hot?
Like she, you know, she may be new, but she has like made her power like known. And her power comes from the fact that like she knows that like she can set a boundary. She's not intimidated. She's not a follower. She doesn't feel the need to like fit in and like make sure that she is welcomed by these people. She's just like she shows up as she is and she's very comfortable with it.
And like Kyle can feel that, which is why Kyle goes to her place. Also, wasn't it like kind of really sad? Not even kind of. Super sad to see Bo's beautiful house. And now that we know that sadly it burned and it no longer exists to like, you know, it's really sad.
I don't know. How would you feel about that? I don't know. I don't know if that'd be harder or worse or I don't know. It's sad.
Also props, did we get an update on, I'm not sure, I wasn't really familiar what type of procedures she had, but she mentioned.
Did we find out if she is going to be able to conceive if she decides she wants to move forward with that?
My mom had my youngest sibling at 47.
I'm just saying there's a chance.
That's what she was doing.
She's also guilty. Her boyfriend was like, yeah. Well, did you do it? Aren't you doing that?
By worst, you mean I kind of appreciated it.
I don't know. He's probably seen this type of irrational, like, performative outburst.
I don't know anything about him. This is my first time meeting him was when she was having a hyperventilation moment.
The first episode where he was talking about her body.
My oldest sister used to sell Mary Kay's like beauty products. MLM. And then like every Christmas she'd be like, so mom really wants makeup for Christmas. And then she would like, I'll get it. And then she would profit off of us.
Yeah. She would take the commission. Let's be clear. I mean, yeah.
She did not get the free makeup. I mean, she had to sell the makeup. It was like, I don't know. But she definitely made a commission off of us. And yeah, it was some shady shit. It caused some family drama. So you think Emmy.
Ike Kennedy made an appearance as the mentor of... Maddie. Yeah. I wish they would have edited him out, if I'm just being honest.
I loved her confidence.
The men in the room looked like guys who got into music just so they could meet chicks.
No, it seemed very shady.
I will say as someone who just started watching the show, it's like you watch it. It's like, this is kind of stupid and dumb, but you're like, you keep watching it. And then as much as the hyperventilation was crazy, you're kind of like, this is wild and awesome.
Also, isn't Molly Moore kind of giving like kind of Kaler?
She's giving Kaler.
Even in that, she really gives Kaler in that photo.
Their distinction is that- They were lanky. They were tall. Their only distinction is they have guaranteed contracts.
As opposed to the NFL that does not.
TJ does look dirty. He seems untrustworthy.
I'm watching. Again, we love the toxic people, short of them being actually physically abusive. The mouth of the South.
I think that does it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Thank you to our guest, Emily Baker, and to our birthday girl, Molly O'Connell, which we recorded this. Today is her birthday, so wish her a happy birthday.
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Pupic hair is not straight.
And apparently Natalie is too. Do you think she's straight?
Yours is straight?
I'll be honest, man. I've never really examined.
I'm going to say, as you guys know, I am on my health kick in twenty twenty five. The water fast haven't had sugar fasting, haven't had any coffee, haven't indulged in any extracurricular activities. And so we were you know, we were stuck at home and we were hoping to get maybe like someone who was like also stuck at home who gives like massages. And I got a couple of numbers.
I asked around and I got one massage and then I got one person just stretching and like lymphatic draining. And I was like, you know what? I could I could use a stretch.
I'm not very flexible. You know, we don't stretch. We just don't stretch.
I need to get more flexible is the point. So I booked a stretcher instead of a massage person.
I did not.
Now I think she's getting a full massage here.
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I think he's done a lot of self-reflecting and grown.
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I don't relish that at all. I'm not like I told you so and happy about it at all. It's disappointing and unsurprising at the same time.
One of many. Yeah. Just the overarching thing for me with her has been she will do anything to be famous. Period, the end, full stop. That is her number one priority in her life. How famous can I become? She's admitted that, too. It's hard to navigate an authentic friendship when that's somebody's top priority.
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As far as the swinging goes, the only person that participated in swinging was Taylor.
And now Miranda. But nobody else in the cast has participated in any of that, to our knowledge. Well, didn't Jess in her previous marriage?
Why?
Oh yeah, she's talked about that.
She's a very, very famous writer who wrote about LA all the time. And because she was from here.
That's because everybody in LA is hustling usually. So it's like you have kids later on in life, but you were able to do it earlier.
That was like my most asked question whenever I was pregnant was like, how does it feel to be pregnant so young? Or like, what's to be such a young mom?
And I'm like, what?
I'm 25.
Go back to like the 60s.
Everyone in my hometown is on their third kid.
You know that scene in Broad City where Alana Glazer and her boyfriend Hannibal Buress are talking about maybe getting married, and she's like, I'm 26, Lincoln, what am I, a child bride? That's what they called me, child bride. They still do. That's how I feel, but it makes sense for other people, but when I think about me, I'm like, oh my God.
What about Lala's event? Were you the youngest?
I support it.
Absolutely.
I saw A Quiet Place and I was quiet.
Well, I saw The Office and everyone, I feel like, was in love with him from then. He was in The Office. Yeah.
Oh.
And then my mom.
I brought my mom to that event with me. And then Lala's mom, who's also named Lisa, and my mom were like gipping and gabbing. And then Ocean is like obsessed with River. And she just kept being like, River, like Lala was holding River and Ocean went up and was like, mom, mom.
and i was like ocean guess what her name is she's like what no it said river and she was like oh my gosh yeah and so they were like hooked ever since it was so cute they're best friends yeah also the amount of people who've dm'd me and been like what is this erotic thriller you're reading like y'all are horny freaks and i love it so what is it i'm scared
gatekeep I'm kind of gatekeeping let me look actually I forget yeah you are I'm reading like three different books it's called horny horny fun time they are gonna judge me no it's called end of the innocence ooh spicy do you think Timmy Timmy Timmy Chalamet is reading it Timothy Chalamet You know, if I had to guess, I would probably say no. But also, maybe.
Yes, he was.
Well, he is upset. Well, not upset. Well, kind of upset. He's not upset? Speaking about how, like, when he first started acting, his agents were basically like, you're too skinny. You have to put on weight if you want to be in, like, Maze Runner or Divergent. So he's just, like, shedding light on, like, his experience. Which, to me, Timothy brought back the skinny boy. Yeah.
When Call Me By Your Name blew up, that's when, like, skinny boys were like... When was that?
Call Me By Your Name? When was that?
Yeah, but he compared it to Maze Runner and Divergent, and they're skinny boys on that cast.
Dylan O'Brien is not exactly like Sylvester Stallone.
I don't trust it.
Well, Maze Runner was like even older than Call Me By Your Name. It's like 10 years.
Well, don't you trust? He hasn't been quiet, though. It is an arbitrary award.
You like Die Hard, huh?
It's not a Christmas movie. Of course it's a Christmas movie.
It happens on Christmas. It's not a Christmas movie.
There's one Christmas tree in the whole movie.
You know, it's about there's no there's no holiday. There's no holiday joy. There's no Holly cheer.
Well, it's like, if we're talking about sexiest man alive, it's every year. And typically, shouldn't it be who is the hot guy of the year? It feels like it, yeah. Why not?
I don't there's not a Santa Claus. There's not. There's nothing. There's no snow.
You say yourself that L.A. does not is not Christmas. That's why you're like not allowing us to spend Christmas here this year and making us go to the lake house.
I'm not going to lie.
It's not Christmas here. I flee L.A.
too because I'm like L.A. doesn't change seasons. There's nothing Christmas about L.A.
And Die Hard is based in L.A. So what is Christmas about it?
Is it based in L.A.?
Yes.
I thought it was in like New York. No. What skyscraper is this man in?
The one right there off the 405. Oh, really?
Yes. Is that really?
Yeah.
I think like a Christmas movie is way more like by association to your family and like the way you grew up watching movies. Because like to me, like Eyes Wide Shut is a New Year's movie.
Oh, my God, Mary. Mary.
What?
Eyes Wide Shut?
Yeah.
That is weird.
No, Eyes Wide Shut. I watch it on New Year's all the time. Never seen it. It's so good.
I need Christmas with the Cranks or like Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
The Santa Claus 2. Serendipity.
Serendipity.
These are Christmas movies.
Home Alone.
More than one Christmas tree in the movie.
Home Alone 2. If it happens in New York during Christmas time, that is more Christmas than it is.
Literally, they met while Christmas shopping on Christmas Eve.
I'm not because it's snowing all over New York City.
I just saw it for the first time a year ago. And? It's not a Christmas movie.
Well, you know who else is pissed? Not about Christmas, but Chapel Roan. She's mad again. Good for her. Yes. Well. Well.
Yeah, she's mad. So like kind of a month ago, a little bit less than a month ago, she fired her whole team, her management team, like replaced them. Billboard announced this past Saturday.
Well, we don't know.
The narrative around it for people that are supporting Chapel Roan is that she has been like doing a lot and has been very overworked. And so she's leveling up to bigger management that maybe help with her schedule.
Well, and Billboard phrased it specifically as recently parted ways with her management team. So it's not fired. It's parted ways. That's fired. But basically, Billboard then posted this story when like the Grammy announcements came out around the same time. And Chappell commented, y'all suck for this.
I agree. What? No. Glenn Powell.
Basically being like she wanted to be the one to like announce the news or like not announce the news.
That she parted ways with her management?
Or like keep it silent or whatever, yeah. I think it's more of the latter.
Okay, Chapel, honey, babe, this is like part of being famous. Stuff gets out before you want to share it. I mean, hello, didn't James Van Der Beek just talk about how his diagnosis got out? I mean, come on. Like, this is part of this world you're in, babe. You can't, like... Yeah. But shouldn't she be allowed to speak up on it? For sure.
And be like, that isn't okay?
Yeah, no one's silencing her, but she can't be like... y'all can't do this. She said y'all suck for this.
Pedro Pascal.
She's a pop diva.
I get it. Lady Gaga did this when she was on The Up and Coming. The whole thing was being rude to the pop... Well, not rude, but not answering to their... demands.
Pedro would have had his whenever, what was that show that came out that everyone was obsessed with? The Last of Us? The Last of Us.
She slayed SNL.
I don't think that's true. I think from being a fan of Chapel, what I've gained from her, and obviously this is just my opinion on it, but she is being herself and that's it. She's not going to let anyone, any sort of industry define the way she should answer questions or what she should have to do for other people. I think she just is...
forcing everybody to acknowledge that she is an autonomous person and is going to exist.
There definitely is some drama there, though, because once like the Grammy nominations came out, like Chapel went across all the big categories and like her original record label did not like post like celebrating like, oh, my God, congrats, Chapel.
So didn't she just fire him?
So that's the thing. So there's there's definitely some like turmoil probably going around.
Wouldn't she be pissed if they posted and she was like, I'm not even fucking with y'all. Why are y'all trying to get shit off of my?
Probably. But also like that's a big.
Exactly. Jack Reacher.
I think it's like you could say that about any sort of pop star that came before her like pop divas. Yeah. And why I think it's like Chapel Roan is a very interesting case study. And are we going to treat her like we have treated every other woman who came before her?
The Quiet Place 3 just came out.
And then in 20 years when she is destroyed by public discourse and by the way the media treats women and we're going to be like, how could anyone have done this to her? like the way Britney Spears or frickin' Amy Winehouse. But those are decades ago. What happened to Britney Spears?
Yeah, but there's people before Chappell that haven't... I mean, like... I mean, it's just like... I just think it's an interesting case study in...
how the media and public culture claims to have moved forward and the way we treat young women who are performance artists, but still go back into the same narratives of this is a woman who, because she is speaking her mind, she is being like difficult. You know what I mean? And I just I think it's an interesting way to see where we have gone forward and where we have not gone forward.
Yeah, Lupita Nyong'o was in that.
I also think like some of the stuff like the, her being on the red carpet and paparazzi people who are,
hired to be there to take photos she got mad because they said like fuck or something they weren't even talking to her they're talking about someone like beside them and it's like she made that whole thing like about her and then the next time she saw him she was like you need to apologize and it's like this was just a headline for no reason like they weren't like you just got upset because they weren't even talking to you they were being aggressive because they wanted a photo of you but like you're at an event you're you're you stepped onto this red carpet at any event she goes to she can say i don't want to do the carpet i don't want to do press and i don't want to do carpet i just want to go to the event is that true
I don't think you need to hate on this. I think this is something that we celebrate.
absolutely yeah the amount of times that nick and i are like let's do press let's not do press let's not do the carpet let's do that i don't really look too good let's i don't want to do the carpet you know yeah she could at every single event she goes to if she doesn't want to deal with these aggressive paparazzi people she could be like i'm not fucking doing it i'm just going to go to this event and enjoy it i completely understand that and that's an interesting point to raise um i think that her persona is also being like kind of a bitch and i think that's great yeah so it's like she's allowed to have that persona
Well, yeah, I don't think she's complaining about that, though.
Did you see the video of Taylor Swift recently where the paparazzis were sitting and she made her security guards make them stand because she had a skirt on?
Yeah, I mean, this has happened to Hailey Bieber so many times where these paparazzis try to get solo to get a crotch shot.
Which is crazy because paparazzis, I think to that extent, too, they go too far all the time. Oh, all the time.
He is a daddy. He's he's my daddy. Funny. I'm married to Emily Blunt, which Emily Blunt.
Yes. Yeah. And if she's going to be rude to anyone, I would love for her to be rude to paparazzi on the street if she's like getting a coffee or trying to go to her car. But if you're at an event where you decided to walk in front of these paparazzi, it's a little different. But yes. And people were saying that like Taylor was like, they're like, why is she walking so slow?
Like trying to make it something. And it's like she clearly was waiting for these paparazzi to stand up.
Yeah.
Craziness.
They did. They always choose just random couples, right?
Usually they're even. It's pretty good.
Is this the straight ultimatum?
Okay. I haven't seen that one. Did they do one last year?
But they didn't do straight ultimatum, right? Because I feel like the last ultimatum we watched was with... It's been a while. Yeah, I feel like that was so long ago.
And season two was in August of 2023. Good looking cast.
They look like they're going to serve us up some good television.
Wait, so what's the concept of Ultimatum? It's love is blind, but they're not blind.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. People I just met, though.
No, they've been together for years.
Of get married or I leave.
Who doesn't?
But they are surrounded by a bunch of other couples who are in the same boat.
So do they ever sleep with each other?
Okay, got it.
Yeah.
It was very messy. Do you know what is messier than this, though? What? Devin Schrader coming back to Instagram thinking he has an opportunity to open his mouth.
He's chosen his villain origin story, and I think he's like, it was The Bachelorette, I'm going to be a villain. And he's full on embracing it.
Oh, I keep calling it Jack Reacher. Fuck.
You're just a piece of shit.
So to give the people context, if they are not up to date on what Devon Schrader has been doing, he obviously was the guy that Jen Tran picked on her season of Bachelorette. And a lot of terrible, terrible things came out about his past and stuff that he did. you know, did to Jen. And he's been off of social media for a while. Thank God, decided to come back. Not sure whose great idea that was.
Yeah.
Too many Jacks.
But he uploaded a carousel of pics on Instagram and someone commented and said, Jen found a great guy. His name is Sasha. And Devin decided to respond to that and say, that's a girl's name.
That's rich coming from a man named Devin, who most Devins I know are females.
That's a great point. Well, so as Rososa, one of the professionals on Dancing with the Stars, commented to that saying, I know five Devins, all in which are women.
Literally. Are you okay? And then Sasha then kind of responded to this and said, where is it?
Yeah, I don't care about him. Do you think it's what he wants? You think he wants more hate?
Really?
I think he is. And I think he's a bad guy. And I think he's like, I think he's a bad guy. I don't think he cares. And I think he's like, you know what? I'm just this is just who I am. And like, Sasha's a girl's name. And like, fuck that guy. And fuck Jen. And fuck all of you. Like, I think that is his perspective.
Well, that's what I'm like. He's choosing. And maybe it's not the villain at it, but he's choosing to just be the bad guy.
think this is who he always was. Well, yeah, clearly. And he had to contain it for TV purposes, trying to become something or be somebody. And now this is exactly who he has been, who he will be. He's an asshole.
Well, and Sasha, to finish your point, Natalie did say the name Sasha is short for Alexander. You know who else had the same name? Alexander the Great, FYI.
I mean, he just wouldn't shut up. He said, Devin then continued saying, wow, Jin did some real charity work dating you. I'm a fan of helping the less fortunate as well. It's like, that's a... Not PR trained at all. No, this man truly, I think he might need to be behind bars.
I think he's a really good example of why the block button exists. There you go.
Mm-hmm. Honestly, I've been kind of re entering my block era and it's fun. It is so fun. Like Nick's kind of against the blocking, but I am so for blocking. It's like, you think you can send me some message and like, and, and like I clicked on a message and it had everything that scrolled up. It was negative, negative, awful, awful things.
I love to hear that. And that's sexy.
And I'm like, why am I allowing you to like get this off your chest and send it to me? Like, fuck you. Goodbye. And blocked them. And I was like, Oh,
I have no issue with John Krasinski as a person. I just don't understand why in the year of our Lord 2024, he is the sexiest man alive. Like maybe in like 2009. You know what I mean? Who do you want to be? Why was Patrick Dempsey in 2023? Yes. I do. Joel Kim Booster, you're my sexiest man alive.
No, you block every... There's a feature on Instagram that says you block this account and every account that they make. Yeah. Love that. Good for you.
Yeah, they're going to trial. Wait.
The one time I want jury duty and the one time I'm like, wait, how can I lie that I don't know who she is?
We can go. We can go and sit in.
Can we? Live episode of The Vile Files. Actually, that wouldn't be allowed. That wouldn't be allowed. But it would be so.
Can I go and sit in the pews? Where's the press? The pews? The pews of court.
Shannon did have that soundbite in the reunion being like, and I won. And that's her referring to this, I guess, being like, it's not just going to settle for this like 75,000.
I love a court case drama. Love a court case drama. I love getting professionals involved. Yes. They demand jury, though. It hasn't been like confirmed you get jury. I don't know.
They just want it. I think you can choose between two different types of trials where it's you, the judge and the counterpart, or you can have a jury trial. So they're opting for a jury trial.
Shannon was like, let me just have one woman. Let's do the court of public opinion. She said, all I need is one woman on this jury. We would all lie.
Have you ever seen The Housewives? No.
Shannon and John previously told the court they did not believe mediation would be fruitful. So it's like, clearly not mediation.
This guy's a monster. Can they get cameras in this courtroom?
Not in the state of California, unfortunately. That is crazy. there's only like a couple states I think that legally allow you to broadcast a trial probably for the best I'll go in with a sketchbook just sketch it all out yeah are you a good sketch I can draw art history major I was an art history major anyways I would love to sit in that room
I know we're going to get into Real Housewives of New York, but I just have to get this out because I do see Real Housewives of Potomac as Candace Dillard welcomes her first baby son. And I'm done with Real Housewives of New York. It's awful. It's terrible. We need to start covering Atlanta or Potomac. Potomac. Those two I hear are so bonkers.
And Atlanta was so good. Okay, when does it come out?
We don't know yet, but sometime 2025.
Because they have the edits. Robin once had a TMZ edit, and they had a Matrix edit. The Matrix edit is incredible. The way they edit it is kind of similar to Salt Lake City, where it's like a joke, but it works.
I think we collectively need to say we're done with New York. We can stop watching it and stop covering it and start on Potomac.
I did like this episode, though.
I like Rebecca Minkoff.
Let's save it.
We'll save it. This is going to be a real debate.
I have a Rebecca Minkoff diatribe.
But yes, we should watch Potomac. This season is really good.
Wait, no, but Leia makes a good point. I kind of feel this way about the sexiest man every time where I'm just kind of like, wait, why? Because who was it last year? Patrick Dempsey. Patrick Dempsey.
All right. This week, the theme for Vibes is cities.
Okay.
So, which city would you rather hang out with? The first game we're going to talk about is the Cleveland Browns at the New Orleans Saints. They are playing this in New Orleans. So, Cleveland versus New Orleans. Let's start with New Orleans. Nicknamed the Big Easy. Swamp culture, which is an ally to my people. Somehow redneck and French at the same time. Mardi Gras. Incredible music. We have jazz.
Also, many other diverse types of music reflecting the diverse culture of the city.
beignets yes yes yes beignets but some musicians we have Big Frida Lucinda Williams Louis Armstrong Lil Wayne Jerry Lee Lewis Fats Domino Mahalia Jackson to name a few of the musicians from there incredible food we have gumbo we have beignets we have jambalaya we have crawfish not to mention incredible accents coming out of Louisiana I'm sold also the home of the best season of American Horror Story which is Coven and to top it all off Stassi Schroeder is from New Orleans done
All right. But let's get to Cleveland. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is there. And if you're thinking that's a random place for that to be, you would be incorrect because some musicians from Cleveland and the greater areas are Tracy Chapman, Nine Inch Nails, Kid Cudi, Bones Thugs-N-Harmony, Chrissy Hynde of the Pretenders, Devo, Raspberries, and many, many, many more.
It was the first city to be lit by electricity. It is home to the world's largest indoor Ferris wheel. And also, if you're thinking you can't beat New Orleans food, that's fair. But Cleveland has some great options as well, such as pierogies, corned beef sandwiches.
Pierogies are good.
Chicken paprikash. Pretty incredible. Also, not for nothing, American treasure Molly Shannon is from Cleveland. Okay. And she one time liked and commented on my Instagram post.
That's incredible. Her book is amazing.
It gets cold in Cleveland now.
It does.
It's in Ohio.
Louisiana was pretty well packaged.
Yeah. I don't love the cold. No? I can't do really coldness. Okay. And Louisiana, I mean, obviously, hello, New Orleans sounds so fun.
But we were talking Grey's Anatomy when he was the thing, the guy, and he wasn't the guy of last year.
Music, good food. People are having fun in the streets. I'm going to go with New Orleans.
Vibes is going New Orleans. All right, let's go Saints. I'll take Cleveland. Okay. All right. Shout out to the people of Cleveland. You've got a good city. Anyway, game two. Seattle Seahawks at San Francisco 49ers. Seattle. Space Needle, which was apparently first sketched on a napkin by international hotel executive Edward E. Carlson. One of the country's most eco-friendly cities.
It's the birthplace of Starbucks, which I have complicated feelings about as a former Starbucks employee. Kind of ruined my life. Home of iCarly. Very important. And grunge music. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Bikini Kill, Slater Kenny, and many, many more came from this grunge scene in Seattle. But Seattle does not only create grunge. They're mixing a lot.
Jimi Hendrix, Kenny Loggins, Hart, Kenny G, and the Dave Matthews band. All from the greater Seattle area.
Oh, Hart came from there? Hart did come from there. Love Hart.
Magic man. Probably lived in Seattle. Seattle has a whole wall of chewed gum. Hate that.
Yuck.
Also, one time after the Seahawks scored a touchdown and the fan response was so loud and raucous that it created enough seismic energy to register between one and three on the Richter scale.
When he was mid-dreamy, he wasn't. Do not think that is the route that they take. Not at all. At all. I think that's maybe what other people are wanting them to take. But I think they maybe purposefully are like, why would we choose the most popular person just because they're popular right now? Let's choose who we actually think is the sexiest man alive this year.
Giving Taylor Swift.
And American treasure Gene Smart is from Seattle. And then we have San Francisco. So this is grunge versus hippies is what we're talking about. It has the Golden Gate Bridge. From Full House, you know? Love. Also, I'll say it before and I'll say it again. Princess Diaries in San Francisco. And it has that big hill, which is famous.
Where the brakes were broken in the car.
Home to Alcatraz. And apparently while Al Capone was in Alcatraz, he started a band called Rock Island where he played the banjo. Did not know that. No, everyone talks about his crime. No one talks about his musical skills. But speaking of music, Seattle's grunge, San Francisco's hippies, and we're talking Hate Ashbury, The House Down Boots.
With musical legends such as The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Santana, Sly and the Family Stone, Credence, Colorado Revival, Journey, Metallica, and the Doobie Brothers, to name a few.
And American Treasure Margaret Cho is famously from San Francisco. We're going San Francisco 49ers.
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Who's consistently sexy year after year. Yes, and they chose Blake Shelton once, and I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that either.
Chris Evans was 22. What are John's top five sexy things about him? Brown hair, tall, man. He's clearly having sex. He has kids.
Sex scandals. Why don't we ever hear it?
We need hidden cameras in the Oval Office. Why don't we? Like Love Island style.
Emily Blunt, his wife.
Megan, I said last night, I looked at Nick and I said, we, I cannot watch this show anymore. We've got to move. We have to switch to Potomac or just like when Atlanta comes out, we've got to do Atlanta because New York is so boring. It's so awful. We're fighting over being called a basic bitch. Like where I want to be fighting over being called like a stupid whore. Like that's what I want to hear.
Oh, I have one. When he started the Very Good News thing.
A basic bitch. I am so bored.
And then sold it?
He started that show, Just Good News.
I think even with this prank that Rebecca and Aaron like that just proves even more that you're like you're you realize that your season is boring and you're like, I'm going to throw in a prank and make everyone think
You know, it's like you have no storyline. So now you're creating them and calling it a prank. But the thing is that people already questioned the integrity of reality television, how real it is. And like you were feeding the fire that like it's all scripted. It's all bullshit.
Yeah, during the pandemic. It was like an internet show that he did. And then, yeah, he sold it. And then nothing ever happened.
Did y'all realize that Rebecca not once said the word Scientology? I think she was like a Jew and the other one. She never once said the word Scientology.
Nick wanted Benny Blanco to be the sexiest man of 2024. I did. Really? Yesterday. You broke the news. You were like, it's Benny Blanco.
My hot take is that they just seem bored. It's like, oh, I'm just going to create a rumor about somebody else. Now we're going to sit around talking about bullshit for an entire episode, have me follow it and be like, haha, just kidding. Like, I don't know the whole thing. They have nothing to talk about. They have no actual real relationships.
They're not bringing anything to the surface about each other or their relationships or anything. I think Jessel is probably the most giving housewife on Real Housewives of New York because she's actually talking about real issues in her life with wanting to have a child and her issues with Povit. Like I'm like, outside of that, what are we getting from anyone? No, she's my favorite. Yeah.
He was just one of.
I feel like they're just way too.
I feel like we all feel that same way. And it's like they're all too just good of friends. They don't hate each other enough. They're not willing to dig up dirt like Heather is on Katie and bring up something from 10 years ago and bring it to the cameras to like have drama. They're just not willing to do that, which, again, that's great. They seem like great people, but not great television stars.
And it's their second season, so you really think they're going to bring it because they actually know each other, like, okay.
Yeah. You know, and a whole article on- Truly the peoples. Because they're sexy people. They're sexy people that go under the radar.
Yeah.
For sure. It's only actors?
No, I mean, it's only celebrities. Like Shelton is no actor. Okay.
Anyways, Benny Blanco, what? Basically, Benny Blanco shared his rules for being a sexy gentleman, or in other words, chivalry is not dead. So I'm going to go through the list of rules and you tell me if you think it applies. One, learn how to cook. Period. Two, first date should be experiences. Three, dress with confidence. That's because you're not... First dates should be good to know you.
He has to deal with drama and still buy her the necklace.
Yeah. I said the same. It's giving like dad is scolding the child and he's like, we're not going to do this. And she was like, okay. Like looking up, like,
could you do it though she was like I'm sorry you're right I'm sorry and it was not a conversation it didn't feel like husband and wife it wasn't like honey let's talk about what this drama is and why she's coming from this side and what my point of view it was like I'm not gonna have this we're not gonna do this get rid of it and it was like oh my god for me it was just an interesting look into clearly their dynamic because you're right it did come across much more father and daughter than husband and wife which I don't know even in the other scenes before when they were like eating lunch I was like uh
Yeah, but I'm like, I feel like Bronwyn gives everything that you want out of a new housewife, a big personality, absurdly rich, but also kind of aloof about it. And then Brittany is so vulnerable and so just like, here's my heart on a plate. Just will anyone listen? And I'm like, yes, I will. At first it was irritating because you're like, you're getting too comfortable too fast.
But now I'm like, no, no, give me something because watching Heather try to shop for fake loyalty from Lisa and Meredith at the beginning of the episode. I was like, you think that you're going to get the loyalty from them that you're giving because you want so badly to be a part of this group and then they both still just end up going on the trip anyways.
That's an experience.
That's a good experience or a bad experience.
Okay. So three was dress with confidence. Four, self-care is a must. Five, welcome everyone into your home in parentheses with reason. Six, treat your mother like a queen. Agreed. Seven, gift giving is an art. And then he said, to me, the best way to do it is get creative, to listen to something they said in the past and bring that back as a memory. And then eight, say no to ghosting.
Angie's the start of the season for me. Angie and Bronwyn. Yeah.
We were there for that.
The gift giving is an art.
That was seven. I mean, yeah, I feel like that is my favorite thing to do is to be like randomly when I know Nick's probably not listening is to be like, God, that would be so cool as a gift. Yeah.
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Well, because I was texting the owner of the store, and she was like, oh, I could put you and Nick's birthstones on the inside. And I was like, oh, that would be perfect. And she was like, I'm actually living for Australia, so I would need to get it in so that you could get it next week. And I was like, I'll buy it.
Yeah, no, it makes more sense.
Chicago's got 13 million people. You can't tell me you can't find 25 widowed divorced people in that age group because in my age, I want to wake up with somebody. I want to go to bed with somebody. I want to take a walk with somebody. He also said that for somebody in their 20s, hey, I'm going to move to LA. I'm going to move to New Orleans and we're going to make a living together.
But when you're like me established, I have a business. I have real estate. I have my friends. I have my routine. I have my health club. I ain't going to move anywhere. They should do a golden bachelor of Chicago, of New York, etc.,
I kind of, it's kind of hard to disagree with that.
Yeah.
So, like, love is blind style.
That is very interesting.
He's not wrong. He's not wrong. Yeah, because you're so established at that age that to say, like, I'm going to give up everything because I've met somebody and try to compromise.
I mean, that was one of the reasons that Gary and Teresa said they didn't work was because the long distance, you know? I mean, why, if the producers at Golden Bachelorette or a Bachelor want this to work, why not switch their... you know, casting a little bit to make it actually work for these golden people.
13 million in Chicago.
It's a great point.
Because what, are they going to leave their families? Their grandkids?
Like, no.
Yeah.
He apparently apologized to Chalk for calling him a stalker.
So on November 10th, Pascal took on Instagram to quickly apologize to Chalk in a video where he said, I want to make this video because I want to thank Bachelor Nation to include me in the first Golden Bachelorette season. What an incredible experience. I had the chance to meet some incredible gentlemen along the way.
But then he got into saying, but the most important thing is I want to apologize to Chalk. Me calling him a stalker was out of line, inappropriate, uncultured, and definitely the wrong use of the word. So please, Chalk, accept my apology.
So I guess he did an interview with Cosmopolitan. And the quote that he said was Chalk was all over her to the point where he was like a stalker. I mean, it was like, I love you. Let's leave. Let's do this. Let's do that.
And which side of the bed are you sleeping on? It's a bizarre behavior. I don't know. I can't wait to be with you. I feel like I'm in love with you. So he was basically chalking chalk up to being a stalker.
He's a hot mic.
right yes have we had any word on that like if they're even considering it i don't i think they're teasing the possibility right have they i don't know every time they're like so and so so and so how are you doing maybe they have like i think they're testing to see if people care about them outside of like i don't know for all we know for the people who watched it last night maybe there's a reference to it on the live show i don't know we have we didn't we didn't watch the live show so kind of great we're still trying to get nally's mom on
She did. She created urgency and it worked and I bought it.
Yep. Is she ready and willing? I think so.
I was going to say.
The video is very cute.
Was River in the video? No. No, no, no. By the way, this is her baby.
She said she is the grandmother to a beautiful granddaughter. There you go. Yeah.
Yes. But, you know, I'm sure there will be something else that comes up.
One thing I want to say about the Rebecca Minkoff storyline is I think Bravo is being very irresponsible. Rebecca is saying, you know, you need to read more about Scientology. You need to watch more movies.
It was 100% an infomercial for Scientology.
Yeah.
Natalie pointed out properly to that. She says the other one instead of Scientology, which is interesting.
She doesn't say Scientology at all. So it's like she it's like if she says the word Scientology, then I feel like Scientology community is going to come after her and be like, why are you speaking about it on? Yeah.
Wait, this is an interesting discussion, though. So Christmas is coming up. And do you operate on like if you want a Christmas present, you have to wait. You can buy it now, but you have to wait till Christmas or you can get it now.
Scientologists are not supposed to really be talking about Scientology honestly to the public. They're trained very specifically about what to say and what not to say to get people interested but not knowledgeable. She said that all it is is tools to help you and that's kind of it.
I also feel like I and this is why I'm done with Roni is because next episode we then have to see the fallout of this prank because they still haven't told the girls that it's a prank. And so it's like now we're going to see the continuous of like, oh, my God, I can't believe there's the definition of overproduced.
fake storyline it's like this is also not something that you joke about or prank like this isn't it it's not a tasteful joke or prank because you have jessel trying to get pregnant she can't get pregnant naturally and then you have rebecca like faking a pregnancy it just it's not tasteful it's mean
And it's just kind of weird that it's like you want the rumor, the joke, like regardless, it's just like, oh, you had an orgy and then got knocked up by someone who's not your partner. Like that's I don't see how that's funny.
Well, clear. I mean, I think it would be definitely an issue if it was people spreading this without Rebecca's insight. But she's a part of the joke. And clearly she like made jokes.
it like thought of the idea and so it's like she's clearly comfortable and happy enough in her own life to where she's like this isn't gonna affect me if this like stupid rumor or like whatever gets out like I'm good maybe people will think she's interesting for the first time yeah it's just weird to me it's weird humor
No, no, no. Yeah, we're waiting. Like I've already bought River a couple of things and like I haven't given them to her yet because it's like that will just you can wait till Christmas.
I'm pro her being douchey.
No, well, so Jenna Lyons doesn't have eyelashes or, like, eyebrows. Like, she has a condition, so she wears eyeglasses for, like, just, like, a comfort thing. Okay. So I don't think it's a douchey thing. I just think that's just the glasses.
Because she's cool and chic and likes them.
You can get sunglasses prescription.
That's why she wears a lot of glasses is because she has a condition. And like, that's her thing.
That's why she created. Can she see or can she not? Does she have good vision or bad vision? Like, are the glasses like to help her see?
I mean, I don't know about that part, but she's she said before that it's a fashion statement that's also conventional because she has a condition where she doesn't have eyelashes, eyebrows. And that's why she has her like eyelash brand.
You think it's douchey to wear glasses, Nick?
Just saying, what if they were transition lenses? Are you anti-transition lens?
Remember when Tom Sandoval wore his sunglasses on his podcast? I had transition lenses for a while.
That's confidence. Does that make me less basic? But it is crazy that during that whole, like, Rebecca rumor whole thing, Brynn chimes in and she's, like, verifies that they're an open couple.
But this one didn't wait.
They did it to catch her in a lie, that's why.
But that is crazy. Like, that is Brynn.
She does it, yeah.
Like, what are you doing? I think Brynn, if she was in a cast of other people that were actively trying to be housewives, she would not be coming across this way. Brynn is the only person who understands. I think Brynn and Jessel understand the assignment. And I don't think anyone else did.
I did. I wanted it now.
I mean, Jeff Lewis said it on Watch What Happens Live last night that, like, the bit is over. Like, Brynn over-sexualizing herself, especially with Jenna, is like... Yeah, she had the move, I'm gay shirt.
I'm like, girl, you're straight.
I don't think they're making her. I think she's willingly leaning into that bit. I think she said it herself.
So I'm saying if you have an open cast, then there's no need to self-produce the way that she has. So that's why it's getting old is because it's like, how many times are you going to lie, exaggerate and say things that people didn't say for a storyline?
Brynn is just trying to do her job well.
then that's casting. They need to figure that out because it's like at the end of the day, if she's the only one doing their job and we are all now as viewers being like, I'm tired of it.
But I think it's also showing us a light into the falseness of, then it makes you question like, okay, are all housewives doing this? Is this what we're watching on the other shows? Are they doing what Brynn's doing? Or I think it kind of makes you question the rest of the franchise.
I do think it's fun.
But this is why I love even the Bravo shows that have been going nine, 10 seasons, the Vanderpumps, the Summer House, the Southern Charm. Like, it's like these people were an actual group of friends, not a hodgepodge group of people that you think would fit together in a group. They actually know each other.
So the drama that's coming to the surface on camera could be shit that happened two, three years ago that they've been irritated with. But coming forward now because of certain setting and whatever, it's authentic. It's real because these people actually know each other.
And that's the thing. There's nothing that we could say about Kyle that's going to change Amanda's mind about Kyle because she knows Kyle.
That's a check in of like, has Nick got anything yet? You know, and if he's like, yeah, we should. And then it's like, OK, he's been shopping. Or if it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely not. And it's like, well, he has not put any thought into that yet.
Exactly. I think that the only thing Roni is really bringing to the table is brand integration for NBC Universal, i.e. Wicked, i.e. Rebecca Minkoff's Wicked tie in line. That was, can I just say, ugly. Where was the green, Rebecca? Where was Elphaba? Where was Elphaba? The titular role of Wicked. Also, wrong pink. Brown? In Oz? I miss Luann in the fish room.
I do too.
Yeah, like Luann wasn't sitting here being like, you know what I'm going to say this week? No, she was like, hi, follow me. I am fabulous. I have cabaret. I am a star. It doesn't matter. Even when bad things happen to her, she found a way to spin it and still be a star.
Come the fuck on. What are we doing here? This is kindergarten shit.
Well, that's a common housewife storyline. Just in this context, it was really, like, dumb and, like, manufactured. No, but, like... Because they always talk about, like, basic bitch and, like, Natalie said they use... Yeah, that's what I want to hear, though.
I don't want to... Basic bitch, that term, like, that doesn't piss me off. It doesn't piss a housewife off. Come on. There's bigger... Like, you have bigger issues. Like, someone calling you basic bitch, you're like, okay.
Stassi Schroeder made an entire career based off of being basic. Like, it's not the insult that, like, she just was pretending it is.
There was a beautiful, beautiful moment where Brynn lies to Jessel's face about what Jenna said to her, calling her basic. And you can watch. I truly was transported back to the fifth grade of watching Jessel's face thinking that the coolest girl in the world Think she's lame. And like the way her face, you can watch her like stomach drop through her butthole.
But then at the dodgeball, Jess was like, I honestly don't give a fuck about your opinion.
Yeah, I know. And then she was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. She also said that after Jenna was like, I didn't say that. And then she's like, well, I don't need your opinion. And then come to find out it was actually Brynn. She was like, wait, you? I believe Jenna over Brynn. But, you know.
I don't know. Brynn is playing chess and the rest of them are trying to figure out how to log into online checkers.
He has to still wrap it.
We also are sitting here talking about them for however long this has been. So they are getting something.
Do you guys buy Christmas gifts early or do you kind of do it right before? That's my other question.
did she text me back what if no what if Bravo starts a new like a Judge Judy type show but it's that's what Watch What Happens Live is civil civil suits yeah but it's like actual lawsuits they should do their own like Bravo lawsuits yeah that or Roni should just rebrand as a as an Abe and Mel buddy comedy but isn't Bravo yes but Bravo's usually the one included in the lawsuits
but if it's like john jensen and shannon bedore like a real lawyer or is it angie yeah real lawyer no real lawyers it's like a real courtroom tv i would like to play like tv judge someday You could do that.
Because Black Friday is coming up. So that's when most people do it, right?
You can be the next Judge Judy.
Judge, jury, and executioner. Yeah. Yeah.
I think Cyber Monday is bigger than Black Friday.
Black Friday doesn't exist anymore.
I was going to say, they've already been doing Black Friday.
Yeah, Black Friday starts like, it's the way that Christmas starts before Halloween now. Black Friday starts like so early.
Post-Halloween.
Yeah. Like, the week after.
It started already.
Yeah, he did. And honestly, you should do that again this year.
What did she buy?
Oh, okay.
Dorit Kemsley.
Dorit? Yeah, that's when she got robbed.
Yeah. Megan Fox is pregnant again.
That's so exciting.
Did you see her? I guess it's maternity photos, right?
Yes.
Or she's like drenched in black.
Yes. Did you like it?
You mean oil? Well, yeah.
It probably wasn't. It was probably paint with like body oil in it. And it just like made it shiny.
Well, right behind you, honey, he is. Sure. I don't see it.
Y'all remember when she ate that chicken in Jennifer's body? Yeah. That movie is so good. It's incredible.
Not for a first date, though. I did that once and I was like, wait, I didn't realize this movie was sexual.
Okay, well, we're dating different kinds of people.
I believe you are.
Yes, I would also believe that you are. No, Jennifer's body is incredible. Megan Fox can do no wrong.
I mean, it was in the little yes pregnancy. Honestly, it made me want to get pregnant. Anytime I see a pregnancy test that says yes, I'm like, do I need to see that again? Do I need to feel that rush?
Okay, so it was the test, not the maternity photos.
Correct. Yeah, it was a test. Because I love the photos. That rush of looking at that pregnancy test and it saying yes, you were like... And there's nothing like it.
It seemed, yeah, I, you know. John.
Relatable?
Leia or no? I actually found out through a blood test.
Well, I was trying to take a medication and they needed to make sure I wasn't pregnant before I could take it. And... Yeah. Found out at a gas station. My doctor called and I was like, huh?
Yeah.
yes like every time I open that drawer I think of River definitely like I look at old now I look at old ultrasound photos and I'm just like I'm like trying to see the resemblance and like definitely brings me back to like the whole pregnancy and how it was like he was with us that whole year basically yeah it's kind of wild right
Yeah, except I did take a pregnancy test after just because I wanted that experience of like peeing on the stick. And I took a digital one and it faded.
Yes, mine have faded too. But the ones with the actual lines on it are still two lines.
That was a long time ago. Love him.
Wait, what do you mean it faded?
Like, the digital ones, like, eventually, like, they're not going to last. They're going to be digital forever.
You know, honestly, they should put a little charging USB port at the end of those pregnancy tests.
That's a brilliant invention.
Do they have, like, wireless pregnancy tests? That's another...
Well, none of them are wired.
Well, but like wireless. Well, true.
What do you mean?
I was meaning connecting to the phone. So Bluetooth, I guess, not wireless.
No, they're not Bluetooth. I'm sure that is our future. But no, they are not Bluetooth. They are digital.
Right.
Yes. They say pregnant, not pregnant, or yes and no.
I've seen them.
Yes. Period.
Well, Sky Jackson is pregnant.
I'm excited for this. Hey, Jessie. Who's Sky? Can we see?
Who's Sky Jackson? Do you know who Sky Jackson is?
She's a Disney Channel star.
From Jessie.
Is that all she was in?
Well, she was in Bunk'd and other shows.
We are different generations of Disney Channel.
The theme song of Band-Aid that we all know, the I am stuck on Band-Aid brand, but Band-Aid stuck on me. She's the one that like originally sung it that everybody knows. Like multiple kids have sang that, but she's the voice of that original one.
Okay.
Congratulations to her.
Pregnancy is in the air.
Yeah. Sierra said that this girl was nobody.
Whoa.
Well, she's somebody to her child.
I don't know who she is. Why are you coming for me?
I don't know who she is. It's the same thing as she's a nobody.
And also she's boring. Do you know how many people are actors that I don't know?
I'm joking. I'm joking.
Hearing Sky Jackson is pregnant has the same like energy as like finding out someone who's like a freshman when you were a senior in high school is pregnant. You know what I mean? It's just weird. You're like, that shouldn't happen.
It is crazy because I remember like whenever I found out I was pregnant and I called my sister and she was kind of like, okay, like, do you want to like, let's talk about this? And then she's like, wait, sorry, I forget. You're like in a committed relationship. Like, you're like good. Sorry, I like forget. And then my friend Allison was saying how she kind of felt the same way of like,
oh my god you know like fuck like is this am I in the right time of my life like is this right and then she's like wait I'm literally married like she's like a part of you still feels like you're in like a teen mom yeah you know like when you find out you're pregnant you're like fuck yeah every time I'm like getting to be I mean I'm I'm 23
Yeah, I'm 23. And how old am I?
OK, after I turned 21, I started I started forgetting. But every time I see somebody like like people I know from like back home and stuff, sometimes they get pregnant. And I immediately have like a panic in my soul. And then they're like married.
Yeah, you're like, oh, my God, did you see that Emily is pregnant? And then it's like, oh, yeah, wait, they're actually like 25 with Mary. This is their second kid. Yeah, yeah.
He looked like he was having such a nice, relaxing time.
Yeah. And I'm like, I'm just trying to like pay my rent and cook myself little frozen Trader Joe's meals for dinner. It's just crazy.
It's the LA effect. That's what it is.
Yeah. But even my like both my sisters are like in like my sister had a baby, but she didn't have a baby until she was like 30.
It is crazy that we, I am considered like apparently a teen mom in LA. I mean, we were in line at Great White and it was me and my mom in River. And the guy in front, River was just like pulling on people's sleeves. So he like turned. Yeah.
Just like shopping and no one saying anything to him. And it was like, why ruin that, you know?
And this man was like, oh, she's so cute. What's, you know, what's her name? How old is she? Whatever. And then he's like, do you mind if I ask how old are you? And I was like, I'm 26.
That's an interesting question.
Yeah. And he was like, oh, it's so young, you know? And I'm like.
Was he older?
He seemed maybe... Like grandpa age? No, God no. He was like maybe late 20s, early 30s. So that's a little weird, yeah.
But which is so crazy because obviously that's like... I feel like that's the culture here in LA. I mean, in the South and I feel like the Midwest, they're still... LA is not a real place.
That's what she said.
No. Yeah. Joan Didion understood that.
Joan Didion?
The writer.
The famous writer, Joan Didion.
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I think I think Lisa understands that she's had a lot of influence with fans and viewers of the show, even, you know, like on Housewives. She was very well liked and popular in her career.
takes and her opinions of people like people it mattered to people and like they would kind of be like well if it's good enough for lisa it should be good for the rest of us so i think that kind of played into like a lot of the the way people viewed certain other people on the show and especially when it comes to james she's like if i can just go to bat for james people will maybe think that i should as well or you know that he's not that bad of a guy if like if i support him he can't be that bad he just must be misunderstood or like something like but it
It gets to the point where it's like, okay, for sure, when things are a little bit in the gray, but with something like this that's pretty cut and dry, you should read the room, I guess. I don't know.
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Um, I, I haven't, cause I mean, that was a while ago. Right. I love Rachel. I think she's smart and like, I think she's great, but I don't, I don't know the tea.
I thought he was like a doctor or something. He's a chiropractor.
Like while married, I moved to Beverly Hills. I can only guess that this probably only elevated his practice and people wanted to get cracked by.
I will definitely try. Like I will do everything in my power and I will try my absolute hardest. And it just so happened that like my mom hadn't seen River in two months, which is shocking in its own self. So she was in town to hang out with River and it like with recording schedule, everything just kind of worked out perfectly. So we were able to
They got married in 2019. Four years.
But not only like more successful, she said that in my situation, my ex did not move three times for me. I want to say this one time. My ex did not move three times for me. We moved to Dallas because he quit his job as soon as he won the show and I did not. So that was the only option because I was still employed.
They later moved to Miami and she said leaving behind her legal job in Dallas for no job in Miami. Nobody considers that. So he never was like fully practicing throughout their relationship or throughout their marriage. So she was literally the sole breadwinner and the supporter. And now she has to pay him $500,000 for what?
crazy bonkers it's you right for spousal support it's only okay for women people are nuts i don't know i got divorced me and tom were just like i don't want anything of yours like you have yours i'll have mine i just we were i mean we're pretty equal and things but like still like just i don't know like if it feels yucky to do that if you have kids i guess that's one thing yeah obviously if you have kids it makes sense that like there's other factors at play and people to take
I don't know. What's even grosser about it is the fact that like once he got that settlement, she was ordered to pay the first half within 10 days of the filing. And then she has until January 7th, 2026 to pay the remaining half. So she owes him like $500,000 like straight up, essentially. Where it's like, for what?
But we also have Clayton and Gabby kind of going back and forth. Which I guess she went after him saying he looks like a toe and his dancing videos will make you run. And he responded by calling her a bully. And right. Am I recapping this right, Sierra? He said he was being bullied, that he's being bullied by Gabby. Okay.
She responded with like, you literally outed my sexual activities on national television for millions of people to hear without my consent. And then he responds by posting their DMs.
He posts their DMs from 2022 and 2023. Are they out there? It's basically him just being like, you are coming after someone who has over and over again apologized for their actions. And so you're just doing this to be vengeful. But the posting of the text.
Yeah. He's like such a little... I'm sorry, his dancing videos are the cringiest things I've ever seen. So he should be put on blast for that. Don't do that. Stop doing that.
No. The guy hasn't had one W yet.
Maybe you have to start being like, what's the common denominator? M.
Okay, okay. Give me an example.
escape and I feel like like showing up for those types of things for your friends is so important to me and I hope other people but like big moments in their life in their career like where you it might be a little hard you might have to like call some people a little moving parts spend a little money but like to show up for the people that you care about and to like show them that like you're there for them and you support them and you care about them I think is so important and so I just like
Of her claiming she was pregnant with twins.
Okay, that is bad luck, but him answering the DM, engaging in this activity, that is fully on him.
There's crazy people out there. They didn't even have sex. You gotta remember if you got something to lose because there are people that are gonna chase you to the end of the world for clout.
On the toilet seat?
She was showing him ultrasounds that were all fake, and she was going the extra mile to prove it to him.
Yeah, but I'm also kind of like Gabby's having her moment. Those clips are recirculating from The Bachelor. She's being asked about it, so she's commenting on it. I'm like, she could have said way worse things than he looks like a toe and that his dance videos are cringe.
Did he need to respond to it? No.
but also grow up like why why do men always need to be coddled and held handheld through life have empathy for them the he's a white man he's gonna be okay a straight white man is gonna be just fine okay i'm just saying like listen for sure you got tom sandoval back on your couch crying like who cares no one asked for that
Okay, I know.
This isn't misandry. This is facts. This is the fucking patriarch. He's been like this for years. So the straight white men win. Even when they have bad luck, he's still going to win.
I feel like personally, Gabby could have maybe not. I mean, like she is moved on. She is married to a woman. And like that was how many years ago? It's like if she is asked about it, I feel like she didn't have to go so low. You know, I feel like there they she had her her time after the show where she like was able to put him on blast. And it has been four years.
I know it meant a lot to them that we came. It meant a lot to me to be able to see the new collection that she has spent so much time designing and working on. And I'm just so proud of Madeline and Macy. And I was so happy we got to do it. It was so much fun. We went up. We got there at noon. We took an Uber straight to lunch. We met Joe, grocery store Joe. He came and met us.
you know and he's doing just that no one's no one's taking that from him he can do whatever he wants no we didn't even talk about you were literally said he deserves to be criticized for his dance videos well yeah you're gonna put that on the internet that's what happened i mean i'm not saying you deserve i'm just saying they are cringe yeah listen
well no I'm not saying that he should be I'm just but I'm just saying like that is the discourse around Clayton to be honest like that's it's really it's really fucked up that that happened but be a little more cautious of like who you yeah for sure I don't know I don't listen I'm someone I keep my circle extremely small because I don't want to have to cross paths with somebody who's Like that.
Right. Yeah. So it's I don't know. It's like I can have empathy for somebody who made stupid choice, but it's like I can't. I don't know.
Well, switching gears a little bit. We do have Shantae and Breon from Temptation Island who did finally announce their breakup. Oh, wow.
didn't see that coming no not at all uh the three some things didn't do it did you ladies watch temptation island oh yeah i watched uh temptation island i loved it i ate it up yeah so i'm bad with the names which ones are because i the one couple that made it at the end what were their names
Shantae and Breon did leave together. They did leave together. And he had had like a threesome. She cried the whole time. It was so sad. I felt so bad.
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That one didn't count.
It was different. Yeah. What was crazy is that she said that like she couldn't hear the rhythmic slapping when she watched it at the bonfire. And there obviously wasn't subtitles. And so she was like, I didn't know that that's what was playing until she like watched it back, which is rough.
She just thought they were talking in the bathroom and like coming out with no pants on. Awful.
I mean, I think that there's still pretty good audio. So maybe she just was in the moment.
Rhythmic slapping. He opens the door and the girl's butt is naked behind him.
So birds were chirping. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm excited to see what Shantae is going to do next. I think the discourse online is kind of like, is she actually breaking up with him or is this kind of seeing the other girls doing social media and thriving and whatnot, like that the audience will support her for leaving him? But like, is she actually leaving him or is it for the opportunities?
I don't know. I just feel she's just I feel so bad for her. Like that that experience is so rough. Just the difference in their their experiences, too. Like she's like crying. He's just like getting off.
I wonder, like, yeah, if they sat down and watched the whole thing together.
Yeah, so it's just... I don't know. I mean, I think... I think it's, like, she's obviously, like, very, like, sensitive to, like, a lot of public opinions and things. So I don't know if that's the best place for her. Yeah. It's not... I know it's definitely not for everybody, and I just think maybe...
I mean, from looking at her page, it looks like there might be some like influencing in her future. Oh, why do you say that? Like, by all means, just like photo shoots and things like that, where I'm just like, OK, like, I mean, I don't know. I don't remember what her occupation was or she's a Pilates instructor.
Yeah. That's to take advantage of the opportunities as they come, you know, especially after that.
Yeah. I mean, I think, but everyone, even like when it comes to reality, people can look and be like, wow, that's like a really good opportunity. I'd love to do that until you're doing it. And you're like, oh no, this is like hard.
Yeah.
I think of course everybody would want to do it if they could, but it's just, it's not as easy as it looks.
I'm sure when she signed up for the show, she wasn't like, my partner's going to have a threesome.
Also, like leaving it was like, what did she gain from that experience? Like maybe she learned something about herself, I would hope. But you didn't get stronger or closer with your partner. You had to watch him have a threesome. And then y'all clearly.
Well, because now it's like, we're not just hanging out with people to hang out with people. Like we're hanging out with people and bringing them around our daughter.
Or like your parents or like family seeing that and trying to justify it. Yeah, it was the experience. I can't wait forever to watch all of Nick's shows back.
Yeah. That's not you. I can't wait. I'm very excited. Did y'all watch Beverly Hills housewives part two reunion?
And so I think it's like, we want those people to be like genuine, good people that like our daughter could look up to one day and not bring around people who are just here for a season or like don't have, you know, the best intentions, like coming into a friendship.
Yeah. I also feel like sometimes Dorit, if she would just like stop, like if she would just say her point and then stop talking, it would go over well. But I feel like she always adds so much like flair. Did you get lost?
Like a insane line. And then she's like, she keeps going and being like, and my life is full of love. Like meanwhile, you're going through a divorce. And she's like, I just have so much love surrounding me. And like, that's what I would rather have over my, it's like, Just stay with your statement of you live on a main road.
No, you were 100 percent correct because it was also like, no, this is what happened. This is the turmoil. This is the turmoil. But don't worry, PK got it handled. And it's just like, but how?
When he's in town. When he's in town.
Yeah, I feel like when you think of a fashion show, I mean, you think of like sitting in rows of people standing in the back, a long runway and models walking up and down. And then the designer comes out and is like, thank you, and turns around and goes back. Well, Macy and Madeline are so creative and like...
I don't think she backs that. I think she's not condemning her as a friend, but she does not support those actions. And she's like, I said something to her at that event.
Which is honestly a great friend of Cynthia.
No, that is actual crazy work.
Like, it's not like Brit posted that on her own and then was like, oh, I took it. That's what I'm saying, Dana. Like, yeah, I took it from her Instagram. It's like, you think Brit wanted that out in the first place?
mind-boggling way that she is just they're not those types of people so last year they did this really incredible it was like a dinner and all these people kind of sat around a table and they had the models kind of like come through and walk around the table well then this year they rented out this like three-story incredible like event space apparently the woman who owns it like lives there it was just perfectly curated and like what century was that
Well, yeah, and I think a show like that, you do watch and you critique it, not more in the sense of whether it was a good scene or not, but because they're looking for clues. They're watching it with a very different lens on it, but people are talking about it being a bad season or boring or something like that, and Mike White says something about the edging. He's like, I'm edging you.
He's like, if you don't like it, get out of my bed. That was so funny.
Yeah, he could have told him at breakfast.
Just like, I'm your dad. Bye. You know who was a bit of a villain? I didn't appreciate her throughout it too. It was Mook. I was like, what?
Guy Talk is doing the best he can. This is morally against him to try to be this badass guy that's going to carry a gun and all that. But he's doing it all in the name of love and she's dangling it like a carrot in front of him. I'm like, you're
And what was her excuse why she couldn't like go on a date with him? Sorry, my mom's back hurts. I have to like help her around the house. That was the most like I have to watch paint dry response to wash my hair.
I mean, her her theme was like vintage Victorian era. So I don't know if the house was like technically Victorian, but maybe it was.
Wouldn't that be kind of random, though? Because they didn't interact with each other the whole season?
It's like, become a monk, lose my virginity.
I was seeing people saying that as soon as other people were interested in doing what Piper wanted to do, like Lachlan being like, oh, I think I'll stay too. She was like, fuck this. I don't want to do this anymore. If I'm not the only one, I don't want to do this.
I feel like my villain was definitely Valentin's friend, the one who had sex with Lori, Carrie Coon. Do you have PayPal? Yeah. And then his girlfriend comes in and slaps her as she's jumping out the window. Dude, that was nuts. That was nuts.
Yeah, so good. I love her.
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It was really, next thing you know, was I think really a song. And I think for a lot of families and people who are starting that journey in their lives to like,
Your oldest is a girl.
Yeah, I think she called it like the sync school for ladies or something. So it was like these brides, these models were also acting in a sense of what they were like, you know, playing around the room. They had one who was like the teacher and she was teaching them to walk with like books on their heads. And there was like an art teacher teaching them how to paint.
He thinks he's going to be, like, tough with it. He thinks he's not going to.
He tells me to stop. I'm definitely the one who, I mean, I feel like now she can't be spoiled. She's 14 months old. She doesn't know what it is. It's like once she starts being like, oh, I want that. I want that. I want that.
Probably not, mama. Probably not. Me and Kristen probably have that in common.
What I think is so funny though, is you, one of your boys is Lachlan, right? And that is one of the names on White Lotus. And I was just thinking the three children that are like from the South in this show are Saxon, Lachlan, and Piper. And I was like, those three names are probably going to be super common within this next year.
And they all were just kind of like floating around these rooms. And it was just really magical and really beautiful. And it was, yeah, it was really cool to be a part of that.
Where did the inspiration come behind naming your children?
Not negotiable.
I know.
Sure.
All right.
Yeah. And I was like, oh, I'm like standing there sobbing in front of him. He's like, yeah, well, I would be right there with you if it was a bullet.
How much do your kids inspire just your, your career, your music in general?
Well, I did buy the tickets. And so I was like, well, why would I put us in first class if like you don't ever want to put me in first class?
Yeah.
Did you start off songwriting? Yeah.
What? Because the comfort be when I get to where I'm going. I'm fully rested. I'm relaxed.
How much have y'all collaborated?
Wow. That's crazy.
It's like the house his mom grew up in.
I got bag checks for free.
Oh, yeah? Don't be mad at him.
The perks are worth it.
Have you been able to look back at any songs that you've written now that you are such a successful artist yourself and be like, kind of wish I would have saved that for myself. Or are you like happy at the homes?
Or for the lay flat for the five-hour flight. If I can take a nap and wake up, be well-rested and good to go for the day.
It's a Miami Vice. His actual.
Could you imagine if you bring that up to him? He's like, dude, I haven't stopped thinking about that shirt.
That is crazy.
No.
Yeah.
I use like a, like a, you're getting gifted like the kits for Christmas.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I definitely feel like it's a marketable beard.
Yeah, this beard routine.
Yeah.
Bar None recently came out. How excited were you to release that?
You don't want to move that up a little sooner?
How did, at what point do you find out that like your song is on today's country on like Apple? I feel like that's always the like playlist I go to is just like today's country and it's nonstop Jordan Davis.
Yeah.
How many songs are on, can you say, on your record?
17 is a lot.
Where do you stand on music videos? Are you like full, let's bring them back like they used to be? Yeah.
No, I was going to ask you, do you have like any ideas in mind for.
It couldn't be me, but that's the thing. When I travel, I'm very particular about how I travel and where I'm traveling and when I'm traveling. If I were like you guys being like on a whim, we're going to go to New York. I'm like, okay, I'll take whatever I can get, but probably business.
Like, I'm not, I'm not doing this shit, you know? You talked yourself out of it though. Yeah.
Did your wife get you into it, or were you like, I've been doing this?
Interesting.
I think you can pre-board with kids on Delta too. Yeah. Yeah. Delta Airlines has families with children to board early. But I think it's after... It's like... It's after priority.
Yep. The night. Okay.
Locked in.
It's after our veterans. It's after first class.
If you just would like buy a little dirt, you would love traders.
Well, of course. The OG.
We became friends.
And she was sweating and freaking out.
Do you have any, I would imagine so, but plans to tour after this record comes out?
But, um, are you busting it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do your kids, I would imagine, how old is Lachlan?
Three. Okay. So he might not. But does Eloise know that you're like famous?
We're home.
I was about to say, does she give you her honest... Because kids are brutal. So if you're like, hey, can I play you a new song? And she's like, mm-mm.
That's good.
That's really cute.
You definitely didn't have time to flush the toilet either.
Oh, I'm sure. They'll find their way to give unsolicited advice.
Well, when you got home.
Is that something, like, I don't know if you had a sailor's mouth or not before kids, but like, was that something that you were like, I actively need to reel it in?
But also some of them are like, shut up, stupid.
So yeah, you definitely did not have time to put on underwear because you didn't even have time to flush the toilet.
That's so funny. Who are you going out with on tour in the fall?
How fun. How do you pick those?
Definitely not.
I don't know. I haven't figured it out yet. I've been playing around with waking up at different times. Like today I got up way too early, but I feel like 730 or eight would be good time to like wake up. I don't I don't want to talk to anyone like before noon. Are the dogs like jumping on your face? Like, take me out, take me out, take me out. Are they kind of snoozing, too?
They're mostly with Tom, so I don't have them like every morning. But oh, no, they're loud and they're mean. And Gordo will come and like scratch your face. Yeah. sneeze at you. He does that. Yeah. He swats at you. He like paws on you when he wants something. He's not subtle at all.
So did you sleep in? She woke up at noon and she felt like she slept in. You know what I'm saying? She's well rested.
She scrolled for a while.
I saw a clip and then I read a transcript. I mean, it was a lot.
I guess so. But also like not surprising, you know, like it is. No, it is shocking because it's like, wow, like she really said that. But also like I fully believe that.
Yeah. I mean, it's like when Tom and I were divorcing, like she made me feel like I wasn't justified or valid in my reasons or anything like that. And then also, you know, kind of made it about her because she's like, I wrote those vows. And I'm like, OK, you know, it's like the constantly wanting to be acknowledged for the generous things that she's done in life.
But like often and unwavering, it's difficult because it's like that no one's ungrateful, but like Jesus.
I mean, I feel like we see on the reunion, you know, she's been like, these guys give it their all, but it's still like we should be just, you know, it's like just always grateful for the opportunity more so than what we brought to it. That's the vibe I get. I'm not saying that's exactly what she said, but that's definitely the vibe I've always gotten.
Like, since Ariana and I opened up something about her, I haven't heard a peep from her. No, like, congrats.
No, we listened to that song all through the beginning.
no nothing and i don't i wasn't expecting it and i didn't need it but like yeah so when she wanted to be upset i still saw that she was upset that certain people didn't reach out when the show the news of the show came out but um i was like i didn't hear from you either i know that you were asking alex baskin what all of us were thinking and saying on our phone calls with him but like she didn't want to pick up the phone we're re-watching vanderpump right now for plus and
And I wonder, did you feel either like looking back that like she very much favors the men on the show? And it seems like it was like even just like handing Tom a bar when he couldn't do like a bar shift. Like it's like you've been working there consistently. Ariana was like a top bartender, but it just seems like she very much like favors the men on the show.
And like the women are kind of like, well, either deal with them because they're adorable or like I don't deal with you.
I think there is that sort of favoritism that is given more freely and openly to the men. I mean, she was, there was times where I was very close with her and she was, you know, she would look out, she would call, she would check in. And same with Ariana. But it's like, I think the major divide that happened with everybody was like, you know, post-Scanabelle stuff.
And she really just wanted to look out for him and just kind of disregarded how that would make other people feel. Right. Or what that would, like, the message it would send to everybody else, too. Yeah.
He's like, okay, okay. We'll see you soon. Don't worry. And so we drive to this hotel and thank God we get into our room. All four of you in the same room. All four of us. And I slept with my mom. Nick and River shared a bed.
So finally, it's 2.30 in the morning and we are in our room and River is like... The scream that she had going from that one hotel to the Wedgwood.
And I'm just, I'm sobbing, holding, like laying on her being like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Like, I'm sure you were just like, what the fuck is going on? And it was a cry I've never heard before in my life. And it was awful. I mean, we were all so delusional. We were all just exhausted and like fed up. Nothing was working. So we finally got in that double bed and fell asleep.
And now we're here.
Wait, are you going to get into this Verbo or are we done with this Verbo?
No, that's crazy. And it was a keypad. There was an option for an access code and they just decided to give us this QR code that didn't work. And then no one wanted to pick up the phone. And it's like, we have a baby.
isn't that the point of you know when you travel i wanted to get a hold of the man who owned that apartment building that's who i wanted to pick up my phone call at 1 a.m in the morning not some like worker for verbo i wanted the man who owned who decided to give us this qr code that didn't work anyways anyways you guys are stronger than the marines yeah verbo's a mess
Okay.
I mean, I guess the only person we can really be mad at is Verbo and like that gas station who closed it in.
It's like I will say I got a text from Natalie at 11 p.m. And I was like, oh, what is going on?
Oh, you would imagine they'd also have a an access policy. We allow our guests into into their rental policy, but they don't have that 100 percent guarantee.
We get a lot of those. Right. See, this is why you need a company with a real name. You've got to use a word that exists or else it's not going to work. What is Verbo?
Not that one.
Anyways, other than that, we do have a great episode lined up for y'all today.
It really takes me back. I talked about this the other day on my TikTok of like nostalgia and that feeling. And honestly, like watching Love Island takes me back to the lake house in that room that we'd stay in with that massive TV that like your parents took from some other room and put in there.
And we would it was like summer and it was hot outside and we would get in bed and watch Love Island and you'd fall asleep and I'd keep going like it took me back and I'm excited to be back.
Wait, I'm screaming at this daily dilemma that Justin thinks.
Yes. Okay. Can we talk about this? Because Justin and I got into, you know, somebody the other day thought that Justin and I were brother and sister.
I mean, I love that for y'all. It's because we act like brothers and sisters.
Y'all kind of see it. They have brown hair? Y'all look more like now versus when Justin had that purple hair. Or the blonde era.
Okay, so we were fighting about this.
Nicotine addiction. I agree. I don't use the airplane bathroom. I go before. I go after. I can't get in there. It's a tiny room.
He was like, what does she eat? He's like, can I get the steak medium rare?
Nick ordered her grilled cheese and fries. And then I was like, what did you get? He's like, grilled cheese and fries. And I'm like, fruit? Sweet potato fries? Did you get the tomato soup with the grilled cheese? Vegetable? Anything?
Yes. I threw up on a plane once.
But that's because I got sick on a plane. But it was a flight to London, so it was a long flight. Longer than five hours. So that's not longer than five hours, and I threw up.
So is holding your shit. It's only going to make you constipated.
I do feel like for men though, it might be difficult because of the turbulence to like keep it steady. No, that's why it's disgusting.
So you've shit on a plane? No.
Listen, I actually disagree with all of you. You're going in there to hit that lady. I'm not only going to the bathroom once. I'm going to the bathroom at least twice on a five hour.
Yes, that's the only thing you're supposed to do in there. The people who are doing their makeup or their skincare in the bathroom of the airplane deserve to be locked away in prison.
Climb Cringe Mountain, mama.
No, I'm with Justin on this for sure. It's the best time to go. It's loud. Nobody can hear you. I'm never going to see any of these people again. What's the face you make when the person's standing in line? You're like, sorry.
Oh, I'm also, I'm really fast. TMI, but I'm fast.
There's actually an episode of the other two about taking a nude on the plane and then sending it to somebody, realizing it's a live photo, and then it causes a bunch of chaos.
I was just talking about live photos the other day and how they're terrifying. You really got to be careful with your live photos.
Oh my God. To quote Wendy Williams. How would you guys feel if a little kid got up in the middle of like a delay?
She was like 14.
She was old enough to know that she shouldn't do that.
I'm texting about that kid. I'm just kidding. Role reversal. Y'all, someone DM me and they're like, oh, I didn't ask me anything the other day. And someone asked, are you still getting crucified for your airplane tech story? I'm like, was I getting crucified?
They're like, are you getting slammed by the internet? I'm like, was I?
I don't know why everyone hates you and talks so much shit about you nonstop and does this and does that. But I am here to say, I'm a fan. I'm like, okay, that's so weird to say. I'm like, okay, I actually won't sleep tonight.
And I was like, oh, thank you. And she's like, sorry, that sounds so weird. And I was like, and she was like, oh, and I, and I loved, she said, and I loved something else that I did recently. And I was like, oh no, I'm the same way. If like people I follow that I see going on trips or doing something, the next time I see them in person, I'm like, oh my God, how was that trip with your grandma?
And so I'm like, no, no, no, it's not that weird. I do that to people all the time.
Yeah, how do we feel about that? She lied to us.
I think she just said, like, JoJo's really famous.
An ex-girlfriend saying something.
Not Nick being like the dad of JoJo.
Nick is sitting up front like with a shotgun.
Did you see Kylie Jenner give us the definition of girlhood? No, I did see her give us her CCs.
Which is the definition of girlhood. That is exactly what I, this is girlhood. This is what it's like to be a girl's girl. So this content creator, Rachel Leary, posted on TikTok being like, Kylie Jenner, this is for you. We need to know what you asked for for your boobs or if they're natural, like pop off. But if you got them done, like, please give us the details. What did you ask for?
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What's the recipe? Which, honestly, working in plastic surgery, there is such a recipe. And, like, there's a lot of ways that you can do a breast augmentation. There's a lot of options. There's a lot of ways. There's a lot of, like, you... And she gave us the details. She responded to this, to Rachel's TikTok, and she wrote, 445cc, moderate profile, half under the muscle, silicone, Garth Fisher.
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Did you guys see her suitcase leave it? So obviously, dating Timothee Chalamet, New York guy, huge Knicks fan. They've been going to all of the semi-final games. And she posted a picture of her suitcase, which was like Knicks-colored lingerie. Period. Anyway, that really made me laugh. I was very supportive.
Yeah.
She also reposted a Kim Cattrall meme of her from Sex and the City of Samantha being like, the Knicks lost. I'm not going to have sex tonight.
And oh, yeah, I'm so very cool to be a part of it.
And there's extra fireworks probably for Fourth of July weekend.
So many fireworks in the sky for 4th of July.
Trey is ready to go.
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I feel like it's probably because I'm just like
Look at this setup that you're in. It's very red room. I think they say red is a color of aggression.
Well, no, I'm just like an old soul. You know, I'm just like mature for my age. I'm just like so mature for my age. And like, I feel like that's probably why.
Oh, my God.
That one was good.
You played a Mormon wife quite well.
What did you get? A little bit of diabetes?
Perfect.
How have you been feeling since your Texas Tab?
Someone fact check Trey.
We were at work and we brought my mom and River to work because we're like, we're just going to jet straight from work to Vancouver because it's hour and a half drive. We have like this Airbnb we got to check into. We want to like maybe run to the grocery store to get a couple things. You know, we have to be here at the studio recording this episode kind of early. So we were like, that's our plan.
He was a quarter? Quack? Quarterback? Quarterback or cornerback?
He was a quarterback. For who?
I think we could get into Love Island, no?
I know, honey, but I just don't know if it's in your cards for right now. Can you think of it and play it in your head? I'll do the heart for you.
She's like, and if you didn't see him.
i know yeah i was sitting there refreshing peacock like i i felt crazy i was on reddit i was on twitter i was like following everybody else i was like somebody let me know when this is up there's an earthquake i was going crazy but it came out and my wife katie i was like hey we're let's let's watch this she's like okay and immediately she's like what are we watching and then like an hour later she's like oh yeah
And then... They were like, hey, do you want to come to dinner? We're like, we really should do that. So we go back to our hotel, order room service for my mom and River. My mom puts River to bed. We go to dinner. We're there for like two and a half hours.
It's actually... It's kind of fucked up how... Like, last season, they had a challenge where they read, like, tweets about people, and so they were, like, learning what people on the outside were saying about them, which was, like, a crazy just... Because they have, like, no idea. It's like, who does anyone... to people like me. I don't know. It's a crazy concept.
But I do have to say that I think my favorite so far is probably Chelly.
Right?
And Bella, first of all, the spelling of her name is one of a kind.
Bella.
they're behind the camera like who got her what's the point of this in her intro she's like I'm mature beyond my years or I'm so mature for my age I was like alright what does that mean you know like I'm an old soul oh that's what she said I'm an old soul yeah
they can't get anyone older to like make out.
Nick's being relatable.
Yeah. I want to know your dental history. When was the last time you got a cleaning? I'm not as carefree as I was at 23.
Well, do we have any like men favorites? I feel like Ace is just loved by every woman there.
I think it was Oklahoma City, if I'm remembering correctly.
shelly knows because even though she saw him out at a club or something like she for sure like they've they've dm'd and whatnot so she knows how many followers yes yeah it was giving that's true this guy could help me be famous yeah he has 797 000 followers no on tiktok he has like million he has like millions on tiktok he's like i'm on his instagram i mean that's a lot for instagram so
I like him and I like the love triangles that are already starting to form between Shelly, Ace. Who else is part of that?
Is Ulysses with Ace right now?
Yeah, she stole him. Yeah, but you know, he's not really with her.
So we go back to the hotel. Nick picks up River. She's dead asleep. He's carrying her through the hotel down the elevator. Me and my mom get the rest of the bags. We get down to the car. We put River in the car seat. We pull out of the garage. We were trying to figure out the maps. And Nick's like, oh, my God, we have no gas. Like, where's the gas station? Yeah, we have like... Oh, no.
It's like, what is it? You know, is it Tampa? Like, no, no.
The names are not easy.
Yeah, the stage names. I'm like, where's the Sarah and the Aaron? We need like the number when we thought Kaler was rare. Yeah. Oh my God.
I don't know. I do feel like I kind of had the same like feeling watching the first one of like, oh, OK, like, are these people going to give? And then obviously you like learn to fall in love with them. I feel like that's probably going to happen as the time goes on. But I have to say, Austin looks nothing like his photo, his little cast photo they put out when he popped up on my screen.
I was a little bit of a jump scare.
In a bad way.
Agreed. Agreed.
And then his voice only made it worse. Yeah. Also, you live in Florida and you're scared of bugs? Grow up. That's all I have to say.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, I was not a fan of his. I love Elandria, though. That's my girl. I'm really rooting for Elandria and Taylor, and I've decided if anything happens to them, I'm going to be deeply, deeply upset.
Trey, how do you think Ulyssa, who else didn't get kissed in that last challenge? Nick? Oh no, he kissed someone. Bella? Like all the people who they were like, okay, you can kiss whoever you want and no one will know. And then they didn't get kissed at all. How do you feel like they are feeling?
No, you're right.
I'm into Nick. Also a Florida guy.
No, literally. It's like I feel like I would feel the air, you know, like of my man getting up and moving past me. And then to hear it's got to be dead silent out there.
No, I feel like you would know when it's your, the person you're sitting next to. They should have put earplugs on them at least. Yeah, they would have.
They did it.
Accurate.
The 10 highest states, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alaska, South Dakota, Georgia, Alabama, North Carolina, Alaska. Those people can see. I thought it was like dark 98 percent of the time. Maybe it's highest rate. So it's percentage of like, you know. Right. So there are only like 10 people there. So it's like one of them. They all got it.
Well, I am excited for this season of Love Island. I like where we're heading, you know? I like that they start off with the challenges, the messy challenges.
I agree.
Yeah. I really liked that Charlie kissed Bella on the cheek when he came in and started making out with everybody while they were blindfolded. Like he must have seen their original intros where she only wanted to kiss the men on the cheek because when he kissed her on the cheek, I was like, OK, that's that's really nice that you like you clock that that's her vibe and you respected it.
Respectful. OK.
A little sweet, a little save.
When you realize that we had no gas.
How'd you do it? Yeah, I slid. I slid.
Wow, seven years ago.
we both made out with several people that night just to be sure yeah like who was the best love island coded
Not going to get you very far.
Are you going on tour?
Wow.
That's cool.
I imagine it's in your Instagram bio.
Follow those ads. Use that code. Send his kids to college.
I have two questions for the room. So in Jeremiah's intro video, he says that he's three out of four a good guy. How would you guys rate yourselves out of four? Why out of four?
Yeah.
I don't know. He just said I'm a three out of four.
Well, I feel like there's a huge discrepancy then between three and four or two and three. You know, those are small numbers.
I didn't make up the scale.
No, I think he says he's I think he says he's three fourths of a good guy. What's the difference?
You think you're nine out of ten? Nine out of four.
No, someone likes doesn't.
Taylor doesn't like ugly feet. Doesn't like ugly feet.
Fair.
So Nick pulls up the closest Chevron and he's like, oh, my God, it closes and like it closes at 10. So in like three minutes and we're six minutes away, we're six minutes away. I'm like, well, the inside closes, not the pumps like they don't turn off the pump. So you can still like pump your gas. So we go to that one. Nope. All the lights.
How often do you check?
You wear slides a lot. You wear slides a lot. It's crazy. Oh, God.
Gorgeous feet, but where's the rating? Gorgeous feet?
Shoe size 10. They know your shoe size.
So is gorgeous feet a perfect score? But Trey says gorgeous feet next to his.
I don't know if I would be on there, but if I would be, I would be curious.
Let's see. Natalie, you're going to have to wear more open-toed shoes if you want to end up.
Oh, my God, I'm so scared.
You'll just find it honestly on your For You page if you scroll.
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And every, every, every screen on the pump goes, sorry, pump not available. Sorry, pump not available. And we were like, there wasn't like an attendant there who like, there was a woman inside. And my mom was like, there's someone inside. So Nick like gets out of the car. He like goes to the doors. He's like waving his hands. She has her purse on. She like goes out the back.
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There are two more things I wanted to talk about with Love Island before we move on, though, if that's cool.
So one of them was Huda has a daughter and she hasn't told Jeremiah about it, but she did tell him that she has a two bedroom apartment. And he was like, well, what do you use the other bedroom for? And she was being really sketchy about what she uses the other bedroom for. And he was like, well, what do you use the other bedroom for? Like, just tell me.
I forgot that she was the one who was the mom and I was like, what are you using the other bedroom for? And then it cut to her interview and she was like, I don't want to tell him yet that I have a daughter. And I'm just like, what do you guys think?
A guest room.
You know, that was kind of weird that he was like pressing her on it. It's like it's not that strange. Yeah.
Like, she's like, I'm like, I'm clocked out. Like, I'm not helping you.
Well, getting into The Valley, I have a couple of thoughts. I think this was a performance from Jasmine. The like, you're a Karen and your vibes suck. And this was like, I need to stay on the show. I need to give them a scene. It felt very produced and like not genuine at all.
feels performative it feels like I need a storyline well 100% but also like and they didn't touch on this episode but of course they show us a preview for next episode and she's bringing up like dark Danny again and it's like oh my god at some point like we've got to move like this man has apologized several times him and Nia have gone to therapy over this like
At some point you do have to move on. Like if you call this person, your friend, like him and his wife, your friends, like you don't just like drag out this thing that he did. I mean, what month are we in? This was in like last October.
That's a really good call because it's like I would love to see Jasmine's relationship with her girlfriend. I would love to like see more of that side of her. But it is like I don't know if it's the editor, if it's just Jasmine. But it's like every time we see Jasmine on our screen, it's her like upset about stirring shit or like spreading rumors.
I will say to be, I guess, the Jasmine defender in the room. I mean, I didn't watch the first season of The Valley. This is my first season. So I don't know. Like, I don't know what her role was in season one. It was the Danny storyline. It was the Danny. Okay. Yeah.
I will say, like, as far, because this is the first I'm hearing of it, like, I think her in, like, the previous, I forget if it was the last episode or the one before, when she was just, like, talking about her position as, like, a queer woman in a relationship. Like, I appreciated that, like, hearing that on TV, because I don't think that's something that gets talked about on reality TV a lot.
And it is, like, a very specific experience for, like, a community. Yeah. So I appreciated that as far as, like, interest in her and, like, the drama of the show. I don't know.
And I appreciated that she did have that conversation with Danny where she expressed like.
Yeah.
Read the messages that he sends Brittany. I mean, on the topic of Jasmine, a video that is definitely resurfacing is her choking Nick Viall on the... I mean, we've definitely talked about it.
You know, we've touched on it a couple times because first of all, I think it was like, oh, that's funny that she was on Nick's season and now she's on The Valley. Like, that was the correlation. And then now it's getting a little like, you're really pushing this... Like dark Danny, he touched me without my consent narrative, which may all be true.
But then it's just like interesting because you did do the same thing to my husband when you were on his show.
There was also a video that I saw of her like trying to pull you for like, I guess it was like a cocktail party or something. And you were with someone else. And she was like, can I take you? And you're like, oh, she just like asked for me. And she was like, well, no, I wanted to. And it was like you could visibly see you being like, I don't want to go with this person.
It also is just crazy to see her, like... I mean, she's been friends with Jason for this long. And, like, for her to act that way towards Jason and towards his wife was just, like, something I would never do to someone I call a friend. Like, that's just, like, not the way I would approach a friend. It's not the way I would behave. It's not the way I would, like, speak to my friend's wife.
It was crazy that they turned off the gas pumps. I've never seen that before.
I mean, that was, like, on all sides of the board inappropriate and, like...
But I think definitely maybe Bachelor World, but you don't really know those people that well. Like Jason's been friends with Jasmine for seven years. Yeah.
I mean, it is just crazy. As you were saying before, like all of these people enable Jax Taylor and they're all like OK with the way that he speaks to Brittany and the stuff that he does. And like I haven't seen one of these people. Granted, like he's been in. Therapy this whole time or lack thereof rehab or whatever he's at. But like no one and I hope that we see it soon.
No one has stood up to Jax the way that they like, quote unquote, want to stand up to Danny and Mia and be like, your husband's so fucked. You're that's he's he's an alcoholic. He's this he's that you're my my ex did drugs and alcohol and he I'm comparing him to, you know, like, I feel like no one.
Anyways, there's like a there's this there's this one that I like look up and I'm like, OK, this one is is two miles away. So we go to this one and it's like it's like this is like some construction site. Like, I don't know what the hell this is, but like this isn't a gas station.
Everyone is like blowing Danny out of proportion while we have like Jax Taylor, who is over and over and over again, shown as he's a bad guy.
at least he didn't actually like do something that would be like crazy like I'm just like he did he put his hands on somebody not okay but I'm like the way that we're making this out is as if he like assaulted someone the constant talking behind Danny and Nia's back it's like I feel like a lot of people on this cast and Jasmine is one of these people do a lot of these like the drama happens behind people's back and not to their faces and it's like
Danny woke up from a nap and was like, oh, everyone's mad at me. Yeah, it's like you brought this up to Danny. He apologized. And then you realized, oh, it's actually like I actually had a problem with something deeper than that. You brought it up again, which I appreciated. Great.
Yeah, it's like it was a one time offense that Danny did. And these people have watched Jax Taylor over and over and over again, even the first season, the way he treated her at the lake house when they were all together. No one said anything like they all just allowed him to act that way and to treat her this way.
And so it's like now for them to like for Jasmine to hold Danny to this fire of like you put your hands on me and you made me call you daddy or whatever the hell happened is like not OK. He has apologized several times. Him and his wife have gone to therapy to work on it. Seemingly, he hasn't like acted that way again. He like the last time we saw him get drunk, he put himself to bed.
So it's like, how is there not growth? How have we not moved on? It is very desperate for a storyline. And I am over it.
Was he in this episode? He was in a little flashback of the cornhole game that they did instead of the beach.
Yeah, the one couple that doesn't make you depressed. Truly.
And it's so performative because we see the FaceTime calls and then we see what he's doing to Brittany in the same day.
I'm on the edge of my seat. I'm like prepared for a jump scare. Oh, it gets worse.
Yeah, post-rehab. But it's also like Jason kind of pissed me off a little bit with his conversation with Jax where he was like, and I get like wanting to support your friend, but then everything we've been saying of like, at a certain point, I think it's okay to cut someone off. And like for him to just be like, I'm so happy for you. I'm so proud of you. I'm like, you're talking to Jax Taylor.
Like, be fucking for real for a second.
And then immediately you cut to the Britney thing of like, I can hear you. And it's like, okay, well.
Well, that's kind of what Janet was saying when we interviewed her of like, you know, he would have these calls with Jason and be like, oh, I'm doing so great. And this accountability here and this accountability here. And then Janet would go hang out with Britney and she'd come back home and be like, well, Jax was just doing this to Britney. And they would like compare notes.
And so it's just the beginning of our night. And so then- We are I'm like, Nick, we just like we're sitting at this like stop sign, like be like, what the fuck do we do? And I'm like, we're just sitting here like we got to let's just go back to the hotel. We'll sleep tonight. We'll get up at four o'clock in the morning, drag the whole family to Vancouver, whatever.
And it's, yeah, it's like, clearly. It's just so toxic. None of this is real. It's crazy.
Oh, I can't wait. I was surprised we didn't get any Lala action at the beach.
Yeah, I didn't even realize that she was there. Oh, and then we have Sheena talking about her hemorrhoids. Oh, yeah.
Like, I realized I like don't need to know that any of these people in this group do anal. Like, I'm good. You know? Yeah. Could have done. I could have lived my life not knowing that.
No, I get it. But like, I don't need to picture Sheena and Brock, like Sheena getting her hemorrhoids and then Janet and Jason like doing, and then Janet being like, Michelle, like, what about you and anal? It's like, I'm just good. Like, like we don't need to put that on TV. Like keep it in your friend group.
Period. I actually think we should normalize hemorrhoids.
Yeah. Like,
So we go back to the hotel as we're about to pull into the hotel. We get a call from someone who was trying to help us and they're like, so there's this gas station and they give us the exact address to the place we were just at that looked like a closed construction zone. And we were like, no, no, no. We were just there. Like, it's not that.
This is my favorite show. Wait, we've got to preface it. This is Next Gen. Obviously, they premiered this week, the new show on Bravo. All of the kids of famous parents in New York City. I have to say, it kind of felt like it revolved around Brooks Marks.
Which is fine. I feel like he definitely was like, you know, the Kyle Cook of Summer House. You know, he's a little bit of like the everyone here is like my friend I've introduced. I've made this like web of people. It felt a little, you know, first episode.
But yes, one of the one of the the cast members, Georgia, I guess she seems to throw a lot of parties in New York City. Claims she's like never washed her hands. She loves germs. She eats stuff off the ground in New York City.
That's disgusting.
She said my body, my choice.
I'm obsessed.
She said normalize eating things off the street.
No.
I have to say, Ariana's boyfriend being the heir of Zaxby's is like the craziest thing I've ever heard being from the South. I mean, all hail our Lord and Savior, Grace.
It's like raisin canes, pretty much. It's like fried chicken, sauce, toast, fries, crinkle fries, you know. And I was raised on Zaxby's. And the fact that he is the heir of it. Also, I did find it very alarming that he's like telling Ariana like, Now it's our problem, you sending your mom money. Like, y'all are dating, bro. Like, this is not y'all's problem. Like, it's her money.
Also, Kim Zolciak stealing her daughter's money.
She was like, no, this tow person told me that this is where they get gas when people run out of gas on the side of the road. Like, it's a pump.
The people being me.
I do love it, too.
They're like little tripods. Chloe. Oh, my God. Charlie, I cannot wait until nine years down the line when this show blows up and Charlie gets canceled. I hate him.
He's like a Chuck Bass in Gossip Girl.
To be a crypto trader that doesn't make money. I love it.
one episode I guess they are around the same age yeah you're right I will say maybe it's not the next Vanderpump but I do think I hope it is I've seen a lot of chatter online of like what is the Gen Z version of Girls the show Girls and I think it is next in NYC listen it can be and maybe it will and I'm rooting for them but to be determined
Sorry, we had a crazy night last night.
it's a pump your own like it's a it's like an old school gas pump oh my god so we were like do i have to siphon it out of the pump like what are you like okay so we you have the thing in your mouth like a fish tank he's pulling it from the ground literally
I also think Bravo Nepo Babies, it's much like sports Nepo Babies. I think they just prove themselves on the court and the court in this case being confessional. And so far, their stats looking good to me.
What happened last night? We're drama. Drama follows us. Yeah, we're drama. We want to be so simple and meek.
Just like, wait, guys, I need a timestamp. What time is it now?
All you guys want to do is watch Love Island.
I had finally gotten River back asleep. So she was back asleep. We're like, let's hit the ground running. We get in the car.
It's unlike any other.
In a verbo.
That's not a real word. It's not a real word.
You're like renting someone's apartment or something. And after we had been in obviously a hotel for two weeks, we were like, we'd really love to like have a kitchen and be able to cook our daughter breakfast and lunch. And so we ended up not going for a hotel and going for this rental house.
And it just doesn't allow for us.
The photos have like arrows of like which street to turn down. It's like this is going to. Yeah, we're in for a doozy. No. That's never good when they have pages of instructions.
I'm not booking.
And anytime there's a QR code, I'm like, I don't trust a QR code. Give me some digits. Give me a password. Yeah. Give me a lockbox with a key.
I want an old fashioned lock. I want a key.
I don't know. Some people would disagree.
That's definitely our bad. We were so busy with work and dinner and river and driving that we just like never got a chance to study up on the instructions to get into this place.
So whenever I go to log in to the Vrbo account to like, OK, we don't even know like the building number, right? Like we have the address, but it doesn't say what unit. We know the garage in which to park, but we don't know like how do we get the keys. So I go to log into the account and it says the email account that it's under is Nick's team.
Well, we finished our we finished our work day yesterday. A busy day. We finished a little late. So we were going from Whistler to Vancouver. We had my mom, we had River, Nick and I. It's like a two-hour drive, hour and 45-minute drive.
And so it's like, please put in the verification code sent to your email. Oh, no.
Perfect. So we're like calling everyone on Next Team at 1230. Everyone has their phone on Do Not Disturb. No one is picking up. Now River has woken up. River's woken up and she's like, I'm ready to get the fuck out of my car seat.
Yeah.
Yeah. So we finally get a hold of someone on Nick's team named Amanda. God bless her sweet soul. She, I guess, had woken up to one of our calls. Technically, she's my manager. So obviously, my manager would answer because she was definitely the most helpful of the group. Yeah.
So she woke up, she answered our call, she saw our pleas, and she was like, oh, I have the code. Okay, here's the code. This is what you need. Use this QR code to get into the garage. We find the garage. We're scanning this QR code, and it's not working.
To get into the garage. Aww. Those never work. That's the name. It never works.
So now it's 1 a.m. and we're standing scanning this QR code 20 minutes over and over and over. And it's just flashing red lights. So he's on the phone with Amanda. He's like, this isn't working. She's like, I'm getting a hold of someone at Verbo. Like, I have to call you back. No, she's not. She's on hold. No one's picking up at Verbo. Everyone is asleep.
So finally, I'm like, we've just got to find a hotel. Like at this point, it's 1 a.m. River's getting like she's done. She's over it. We have an early morning. Like, let's just find a hotel. So Nick finds we were staying at the Fairmont Whistler. So he's like, OK, here's a Fairmont in Vancouver. Let's just go there. So we go there. All the doors are shut. It's all black.
They have like signs in front of the doors. We're like, this is a hotel, right? You can't shut the doors. Like, what if we went out for dinner? How do we get back in? So finally, we find like the back parking lot and all the doors are locked. And it has a big sign that says at this time, only registered guests can enter the hotel.
So then I call every hotel. in the city of Vancouver, and every hotel is booked up.
You guys are in a much better mood than I would be in.
I think we're honestly a little delusional at this point. So I'm in the backseat. River's awake, fully awake at this point. And we have my mom. So we're like, we either need like two beds or two rooms or like we need something. And every hotel is like, so sorry. Yeah, booked up, booked up, booked up, booked up. I call one. He's like, we have one room with two beds.
Two double beds. That's it. Or the penthouse suite for $15,000 or something. And we were like, okay. I was like, let me call around a little bit more. I'll call you right back. I'm like, let's just see if there's anything else. Nothing else. I call him back. And when I call him back, River's now screaming at this point. Scream crying. And I'm like... I just called about that room. We're coming.
I feel like Brittany has been for the longest time. I'm like, she's protected him. She hasn't said shit on camera when she could have. And this is the first season where she's like.
What do you mean?
I mean, Jax is far worse than Brittany could ever be.
Easier.
Yeah, that doesn't matter. Where does it not matter?
Sometimes talking your shit is peaceful. Talking your shit is protecting your peace.
It's also healthy for you. You need to be able to let out these emotions or it's going to affect your health.
She made it clear they're never getting back together, so at this point she does not give a fuck. And I support it. Jax is a monster.
I do have a question, though. In the episode, Michelle says that what Jesse's doing is worse than Jack's and she doesn't understand why her friends don't have her back and everybody has Brittany's back. What do we think about that? Like, who's worse, Jesse or Jack's?
I mean, why pit two queens against each other? Michelle brought it up, not me. Of toxicity.
Yeah.
That's how I feel like I'm watching things. I'm just like, I think Jesse's more diabolical. I think it's like that was calculated, dropping little rumors and putting things out there in hopes that it's spread. But it's like, I'm not the problem because I said that in a safe space and that was supposed to be said in confidence. Like Jax is just like a bull in a China shop.
It's just like the chaos is happening, but you can kind of see where it's coming from, why it was caused, why he's doing what he's doing, where like Jesse, it's just like, pretending that he's a good guy even though he is the villain. Does that make sense?
He's, like, diagnosed bipolar, I believe.
well on the phone call with his sister emotionally unpredictable his sister was like you know we have this history in our in our family and you have a past of getting manic so i'm like he obviously is aware that like there are things that trigger him that he may not be fully in control of himself while he's acting out but like and then you have britney whose son has recently diagnosed his autism which obviously it can be very challenging for parents and like there's just
But like, was I the only one that lost my mind when it was like a joke? Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah.
extra work meanwhile she has a husband who's in in rehab and like she literally is all on her own and while jesse might be an emotional terrorist like michelle is making her life also harder by like playing these games just don't go to santa barbara plan your own trip that's what i would do we're playing the same weekend if you want to be petty take a take a page out of jack's taylor's book make a party the same day as as their weekend but like being like he has to stay at a hotel but he can be a part of all of the activities like that's crazy it's his trip
It's a great show.
Well, I just lost my mind in general. Yeah. Because I was just like, okay, wait, you said something so disgusting about your, your wife soon to be ex-wife to figure out who the mole was.
It was a lie.
I don't think that was a lie.
I don't think that he did it to figure out who the mole was.
Period.
Yeah, he used that, yeah.
Let me message her.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, literally.
Like we both don't belong. That's so crazy.
Stupid. I was going to try and make it nice.
For sure.
Yeah.
Absolutely not. If anything, people thought he was like controlling because he's trying to protect Heidi. But it was like doing the most being like you can't you can't watch the show back. You can't do it. Like it's not good for you. But then everyone's like he's a fucking monster. And then come to find out that he's actually just like loved his wife and his partner.
I don't know. I feel like it's just like that person that you don't want to get into a conversation with at a party. Like, it's just like, wait, what the fuck just came out of your mouth?
Jessie to me gives like watched entourage and took notes. Yeah. You know what I mean? Took it to heart. Yeah. You know, when somebody you just realize somebody views things in a completely different way than you. I think that might just be Jessie.
She's in a conservatorship.
Also, a lot of people wear makeup on Runyon Canyon. Just putting that out there. That's what Kristen said. I was like, girl, that's not true.
They're taking pictures. They're vlogging. Everyone's wearing makeup. It's a fashion show.
Because that's just what you did.
Absolutely none of it. It's actually wild to watch him criticize where it's like you literally are planting seeds where it's like, well, if it's not that she cheated on me multiple times during our marriage, then how about she's a prostitute?
Literally.
Like it's just like he's like something will stick. Something will hurt her. Something will ruin her job, ruin her life, make her boyfriend break up with her. And it's just like it's so obvious. And that's why even him not going up and talking to her after the rumor was exposed. It's just like you don't care. You just want to cause as much destruction as possible and say hands free.
Walk around.
Dating After Dark.
Do they change the name? It's both.
Oh, shit.
Why?
Mm-mm.
Who's writing this? I swear to God.
Literally, it's my birthday. Why didn't they just go to a casino? These are adults. Why are they going to Dave and Buster's?
One day Lana, like what's going on?
What was the, what was the, what was the, ding, ding, ding, neon light.
In your baby's room? Literally.
I feel like I won the most prizes at Dave and Buster's. Could you imagine taking that tour of the house?
I kind of love her.
Exactly. What is she doing with these prizes? I need to know. It's like I just watch her on TV like,
And you, you're a father?
It's the best song ever.
Yeah. Oh, you didn't get a neon sign? You got a stuffed animal? Better luck next time.
You got a rope bracelet? How many clothing do you have? It's like if Sheena is like... At best, chaotic good, we can say. They are the yin and yang. Yeah, Janet is chaotic evil.
How are you going to say no to that?
She's friends with Sheena. That was her introduction. Did you see that Kristen was saying that Janet was introduced to her as a fan? And that's why we have in the teaser her being like, you're just a fan.
kristen's right to be like okay you're a fan like you're proving my point now there is an episode of vanderpump rules and i did feel bad for her at the time but um sheena invites all the girls over to like get their dresses their uniforms for sir hemmed and janet's doing the hemming but it's like they give janet all of the dresses and then all the girls go sit on the couch and kiki and then she's just over there oh my god
What an expensive cab ride. You're like, all right, take it to the next one.
What were the covers you were singing?
So she's getting her revenge.
This is Janet's revenge.
Yeah, that's crazy.
It's like they, my posse.
Well, that would be what would be scary for me being on a show for that long and whatnot and making new friends is because I'm like, was that your goal the whole time? Or is it like you come like almost Stockholm syndrome where it's just like, well, we've been friends for so long now. I'm happy that you have a show. But like, could that have not been the goal the whole time?
Yeah.
Love it.
And Andy, please televise it.
Do you remember Janet used to be like the fan favorite last season? Was she? Never. She was until the finale release. No, she's not. She had the pregnant pass. That's not a fan favorite.
It was like she's pregnant and we can't make fun.
It's really good.
A lot of people love Janet. No. You can't deny that. The internet loved her until the finale. I don't know what your algorithm is. I'm unaware of that reality.
Yeah, my algorithm was pretty much why is she on the show?
By the way, as a pregnant woman watching Janet on The Valley, I hated her even more. Yeah. Yeah, because she would start shitting and be like, I'm pregnant. Yeah. Pregnant people don't get these passes. Are you fucking kidding me? Like, I can't just go be a raging bitch and get a pass.
Yeah. You can't say anything. Don't stress me out. I'm pregnant. Teach our baby how to fight your. Would you imagine?
Yeah. You're a stupid bitch, but you can't say shit back to me because you can't stress me out. I'm pregnant. Literally.
Maybe that's why it bothered me because I was like, I should be using this as an excuse more. Like, what am I doing?
Fucking Leah.
But you're talking shit behind our back. And then you're saying it's not fair game. Like, it's like you're attacking my character, everything. I'm not talking about your baby. And then she even made up a whole thing about like Kristen wanting her not to come to full term and everything. It's like you're evil for that.
Team Kristen all the fucking way. Do you guys think that Luke looks like- Yes. It's a good self-portrait? It was a penny.
We're upset that he repeated something from a group chat when he's over here putting his hand on someone's thigh calling himself daddy and grabbing an ass. And then they just show like a quick like flashback of being confronted.
So much is happening in every scene. And I'm just like, wait, wait. Michelle said what? Jax, what? You're going where?
And it was also weird how like Jesse was kind of trying to explain it being like, you know, but he doesn't get after work drinks and he doesn't get to go to happy hour because he's got kids. And it's like so he just smashes drinks to the face the one night that he does and gets himself in inappropriate trouble.
Right.
But I feel like there's also stuff coming because I saw her like getting upset, like storming out of a table and whatnot. And like, I wonder if it is involving Danny's behavior.
Honestly, yeah, they're both like I think they're both on the same even playing field. I was like doing a vote for who can stay in a house that he rented, like putting your friends in that in that toxic environment where it's like, OK, we can't even be in the same place with you guys.
It's hard to know because I also don't trust anything that comes out of Jesse's mouth where I'm like, you're not the one to be talking about people's behaviors, are you? Literally. Literally.
Honestly. And he's like the healthiest. And I love that he's just honest. And he's just like, bro.
Kristen's in the healthiest relationship, has the hottest man on the show, about to get her family.
It just feels, though, like he doesn't take that in. Like he's incapable of taking criticism about himself at all or making changes because it's like people keep saying, like, you got violent. You did things that you should be ashamed of. And he's like, yeah, but she's fucking someone. And it's like, bro, that's not what the conversation is about.
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I imagine these DNA tests reveal this quite often.
I think the difference between now and then is no one talked about shit back then.
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Hi, I'm Allie. I'm 31 years old, and I am wondering if I need to come out to my family as gay over the holidays.
I use the word need because I don't think I really want to, but I'm feeling some pressure to do so.
I think just like societal pressure entering the dating pool. I'm not super newly out, but I am out to everyone recently because I just moved cities this summer. And the place I was living before, it was like not super safe or accepted.
for me to be gay so i couldn't be out publicly okay um and so now that i'm like actively dating women i feel like it comes up as a red flag if your family doesn't know so that's i guess that's the pressure i'm feeling can you i mean forgive my ignorance can you educate me is is why that's a red flag maybe justin feel free to chime in Yeah, that's a really great question.
I feel like it's so niche and nuanced and something that I'm just kind of figuring out and discovering. But if you're on a date with someone and they ask, oh, is your family supportive? And you say that they don't know that you're gay, it tends to get like...
i would say 80 of the time i've gotten like not a great reaction um i can i can appreciate just because it's like oh are you not being authentic or like you're hiding or you're not proud or like whatever and it's like truly everyone in my life knows that i'm gay aside from my family for other reasons what are those reasons
I grew up in like a very conservative, religious, oppressive type environment. And I am no longer religious. And I actually didn't even consider the fact that I might be gay until I left the church and kind of like unpack some of that suppression. But my family is very much still gay.
in that environment and I don't want to like say that I know what their reaction will be but I can pretty confidently assume that they will pray for the salvation of my soul if I tell them I like girls so that's kind of um are you not really sure if I want to do that
I feel, well, they might be.
I have one sibling, a brother.
Very religious.
Like, I think if they looked at it with a critical eye, they could figure it out. But they've just kind of stopped asking because I think they don't want to know the answer. And so going back to your question, if I'm confident they would do that or like not be accepting, I think.
50-50 they might be accepting on the surface but I feel like 99% sure that my mom will then go to her church community and mourn the loss of her daughter's heterosexuality and it'll be like they're praying that I repent from this sin and like they might not say it to my face they also might say it to my face but just like the thought of them like
going and then praying for my salvation and my just like my existence being sinful just like it just like irks me no i get that um yeah is there a way for you to get over you being irked Totally. Maybe. I'm not like particularly close with my family. Like I've put a lot of distance because of the religious trauma. And so it's also like if I was dating men, I also wouldn't tell them about it.
And the only reason I said the holidays is because it's my like one time a year that I see them.
Like in-depth conversation every week.
No, for sure.
I'll see you there, yeah.
So what do you think empathizing looks like then if down the road I do choose to tell them?
For sure.
Yeah. Yeah. And I do feel like the younger me wanted to cut them off even prior to knowing I was gay just because I was so hurt and traumatized by the religion and by things that they'd done. And I do think I have come to approach it from a way similar to what you've said of they're doing the best they can with the information that they have. And we're all doing this for the first time. And that
has helped me to empathize i think the thing that i'm struggling with is not necessarily resentment but like how do i like absorb a hateful reaction from them can you disconnect Yeah, for sure. Remove myself from the convo. Like what would you say to them if they were like, we don't approve. You're going to hell. We're like so disappointed by this.
May not be thrilling.
I mean, they always do. And I'm like pretty used to deflecting. Like even when I was dating men years ago, it was like there was one reaction from my mom in my early 20s where I was like, they will not get to know that information again. And so like we're not really on the level where that would come out. The only scenario I could see it coming out is like in...
and I say like fit of rage like kind of playfully but like I could see myself getting like frustrated with like something they're saying, like badgering and then me putting it out there, like almost like spitefully. So I think I need to just be careful of that because I, I do want to set them up for success.
And I think me not being there to see their reaction and like, let them process in whatever way is definitely for the best. Um,
It's a good line.
Absolutely.
I'm going to write that somewhere, tuck it away, and look at it when I feel my blood pressure rising.
Yeah, that makes sense. And then like, as far as if I don't feel like I want to broach this topic with them in the near or immediate future, you don't think that that's something that feels like a red flag. I think dating is the biggest thing that it's come up in. Everyone in my life has been like so supportive of me and like celebrated everything. But I'm, I, yeah, I just, I don't know.
I don't want to like tell them because I feel like I have to.
Yeah, totally. No, I think you're so right. I think there's definitely some projection of confusion or insecurity there.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, I think that's really helpful. Thank you.
It definitely was. I feel like I definitely feel lighter. I think I'm going to just go to the Midwest for Christmas and just do the thing and then process whether or not it's something that I want to do. And I feel like I have...
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm the happiest I've ever been. So I yeah, I feel I feel grateful for that.
The like family bit, like feels like the biggest red flag sometimes in the queer community. And so I
Absolutely. Now that's, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
I'll let you know if I get Bible thumped or not.
Okay. Okay.
Yeah, totally.
That's definitely true. All right.
Okay. You found the underwear?
You called him out. He denied. He said, uh, messaging, but he didn't show you anything. And then a couple of days later out of nowhere, he came to you and said, Hey, look, see, I was messaging.
I was messaging. And it was, so it was, it was actually like, he had reached out to him via Snapchat.
And then he wanted to show you the,
it seems that way because the, um, it was, the timing was after that incident that happened. It was, it was, and I don't know if Snapchat gives you like exact timing or whatever it almost even was.
I did, yeah. Washed and cleaned with my underwear.
Were there any other chats on there on the, did you, did he give you his phone or you just show it like this?
No, he didn't. No, he just showed it like that. And I, and I said, the timing is off. That's it. That's all. How old is this guy?
Okay. There's definitely some red flags here. Listen, we're not going to be able to figure out who's underwear it is, right? That's less important than I think. Listen, I think some things you got to be mindful of. I think it's very human nature for us to, you know, I think sometimes, you know, we don't want to find out the truth when, you know, when we fear that the truth is going to hurt us.
Well, I imagine that whoever washed it, I don't think it was their intention to wash it, right?
Fight or flight, our instincts have a habit of trying to avoid painful situations, right? Like, I don't know, human nature. I don't know. Maybe there's like a... technical term for that. Maybe it's just called fight or flight.
But like, I think often, like it might be something as trivial as like, I think people sometimes who struggle with money problems or more in money's type, maybe they avoid looking at their bank accounts or their credit card statements because like to do that gives them anxiety. It brings, you know, so they'd rather not just avoid, avoid, you know, we avoid things that we are afraid might hurt us.
So that mentality at times when situations that you find yourself in will cause us to avoid The follow up questions or calling people out when we see something that looks a little fishy and we just like, I don't know, I don't want to bring it up. And then we'll convince ourselves, well, I don't want to create a fight or I don't want to be crazy and I don't want to be that person, yada, yada, yada.
And then we'll talk ourselves out of like trusting our guts or following our instincts and things like that. Right. And listen, none of us want to be the crazy partner who's constantly questioning, but there's a huge difference between making shit up and creating scenarios in your head out of nowhere. That's crazy.
but following up on things that your partner is doing and asking follow-up questions to behaviors they're demonstrating that aren't adding up is not crazy. That's just you doing your due diligence. And when we are dating people that do these kind of odd things, it can sometimes make us feel quote-unquote crazy because we're constantly saying, well, what about that? Or why are you doing that?
Right, it seems as though.
It somehow found its way into the laundry pile.
And that's That's weird. And you're just like every other day I'm going to my partner and I'm like questioning them. And I've just never been that person who's constantly questioning the person I'm dating. And it almost feels like it's our fault that we're always questioning them. But it's not our fault. It's because the people we're dating are doing shit.
Like the fact that he is Snapchatting anyone at 2 a.m. is one of the biggest red flags you could have. 30-year-old men are not Snapchatting other 30-year-old men on Snapchat. They're just not. They're messaging women, right? There's like a 99% chance that was a girl. Hindsight's 20-20.
what, what I would have done when you found that underwear in that moment, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're in his house and you found a pair of women's underwear that is not yours, right? In that moment, you have literal evidence, right? This is crazy, you know, and granted, you know, you know, you're, you're, you want to be rational, right?
Yeah, he does my laundry, so he's been doing it. And it could be that he might have not recognized it to be mine or hers and just assumed it was mine. Hers, meaning whoever this might be. His reasoning, it was really good. It was really good. It had me not really questioning until I started getting in my own head about it.
You want to think, okay, maybe there is an explanation as to why this piece of underwear is here that I'm holding that doesn't mean he's fucking someone else, right? And obviously, you certainly hope that's reasonable. And so what you should have done in that moment is wait for him to come home, not reach out to him, not message him, what are these?
Don't give him an opportunity to come up with a story, to come up with an alternative situation. And you should say, hey, you should sit down and be like, all right, I found this underwear. And then before you say anything, I want us to just sit here and agree that if you found a pair of men's underwear at my house, that would rattle you. It would really fuck you up.
And listen, we've also only been dating for five months. So don't get, you know, this whole like, why don't you trust me? I don't know. I want to trust you. But like this pair of underwear is saying otherwise. So I don't want to ask you questions. I want you to give me your phone right now. And in that moment, you had the right to say as unfair as it might feel.
Let's assume it's totally let's assume it's not his ex-girlfriend, but it's his long term girlfriend. Let's assume this pair of underwear has been sitting in there hidden and for you to find whatever. Listen, if I was dating someone and I, you know, for five months and I was, you know, I've been a serial monogamous before.
I've been the person who wants to play house and moved a little bit too fast. If I were dating someone and five months in and we're doing this house and I came home and my girlfriend that I was dating was like, here's this person, pair of underwear. And I was like, I, I, I, I do not know where this came from. And I, I would give you my phone.
I would want, I would want to show you that I wasn't doing anything. I would want to show you that I have nothing to hide right now. Granted, listen, There's there's a there's a small caveat to that.
I don't know if I'm saying that right, but I'm a firm believer that when you go through someone's phone or email, if you're if like, again, if you're being crazy, if you're just like if you're just one of those people who just goes through their phone, not because you have a real reason, because you're just like you don't trust people, you're going to find something that's going to piss you off.
If you're looking for something to piss you off, chances are you'll find something that pisses you off. So you have to be careful about that. So before you go start going through every message and be like, who's this? What are you saying? You know, and you're like, I hope you have a good day. And he said, I hope you have a good day to someone named Jenny.
You're like, why are you wishing Jenny and saying, you know, I don't, maybe it's a co, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? There could be context there. You're looking for the obvious things of like, there's a text thread of like, weird shit.
If it's like you go into his DMs and all of a sudden it's in vanish mode for three people, it's like, why do you have vanish mode on these three conversations and they're women? You should have had the right. Now, that might not have proved anything. Maybe he's just very diligent and good at hiding things.
But my point is, in that moment, you had the right to say, let's figure this out together, but I need to look through your phone because unfortunately, I need some hard evidence to the contrary because this is... I'm holding a pair of underwear that's not mine in my hand. And that's kind of crazy. And I want to believe you, but if you were in my position, you would need that verification too.
I think that's something you could have done. In that moment, immediately ask for that phone. Don't give them the opportunity to go through it, to delete shit. Be like, I just need to see it. I need that peace of mind. And you say it in a way where it's like, we want me to do this because we...
You didn't do anything wrong, and I want to believe you didn't do anything wrong, so just give me that phone because you got nothing to hide. And when shit like that happens, you got to be quick to act on those things. And I don't think that's crazy. It's not totally unbelievable that this pair of underwear is someone else's. It's not. It could be from someone from his past. It's possible.
So basically, before me and him started dating, he had another girlfriend in the picture. Very similar situation to mine, where... She was living there. I live there apart. I don't want to live there fully yet. So I live with my parents and him. So same thing with her. She had a little bit of a long distance. So she had a drawer there. That drawer is broken underneath.
Unlikely, perhaps, but not totally unbelievable. And like I said, so when those things happen, you got to act fast, so to speak. And then again, their reaction to you demanding their phone in a very calm way, you're just like, listen, I just... this is a very simple solution. Just show me your phone right now.
And hopefully that will like clear the air because if I can't find anything, there's a good chance, you know, again, that's, that's like, that's not a surefire way, but that's a great start. If he's sloppy enough to have a pair of women's underwear at his house because he's cheating on you, then he's probably sloppy enough to not delete all his messages.
He's clearly sloppy enough to be Snapchatting women at 2 a.m. in front of you. You know what I'm saying? So like, right. So some of these little white lies are not adding up, so to speak. So listen, I don't know. I don't know whose underwear this is, but I think there's something going on here where I think you need to be better at asking some more direct questions and holding them accountable.
And when your gut's telling you something, you just have to keep asking questions. That's all you can really do. Also, like, listen, like stop, you know, the call started by you saying, well, he moves fast. And when you said that you made it seem like, well, he moves fast. So I didn't really have much of a choice in this situation. So I went along with his timeline. You got to stop doing that.
Well, Listen, if you meet a guy and you're excited and it feels good and you're like, Oh, I really want to do this link. Fine. Go nuts. Like we've all moved fast before. We've all done that. I mean, you could argue in some ways now that I moved really fast in some ways we move really slow, but whatever.
I mean, every situation is different, but the point is, is that you have to be honest with yourself about the risks you're taking. I say that all the time, right? Like it's not take risks, right? Do crazy things like YOLO. But when you do crazy things, don't convince yourself you're not doing crazy things. You have to acknowledge the crazy thing you're doing.
Hey, I decided to basically play house with this new boyfriend I've only known for five months and live half the week with him. That's probably not the smartest way of building a relationship, but whatever. I want to do it anyways. What are the challenges this might create with me doing something that's untraditional? That's a conversation you need to have with yourself.
You need to be honest with the, you know, that's better than being like, well, honestly, I think this could be really healthy for us. That's you lying to yourself, right? You know, being honest with yourself is I know the risks. It doesn't mean it's going to end our relationship, but regardless of the risks, I want to do it anyways.
So understanding the risks and then trying to figure out what can you do You know, like when Natalie moved to L.A., she moved in with me right away. We went from being in a nine month basically situationship to being boyfriend and girlfriend and then living with each other. That was a huge risk. Right. Like she moved across the country, not having any friends.
We had to talk about what those risks were. Right. She might feel a little lonely. She might, you know, we had to sit down and talk about that. We had to address those risks and be honest with us what challenges might come up from us taking risks. And because we both acknowledge it, we both felt good about the risks, and we weren't lying to ourselves.
You're describing a situation where you got yourself and you met a guy, you like him. He moves fast. You're going on his timeline and you're just kind of going along with things, it sounds like, because like it's kind of fun. And for the most part, why not YOLO? You haven't met anyone in a while. This seems like a good thing for the most part. He's demonstrating a lot of green plants.
He's taking care of you. Sounds like his love language is acts of service, which is great. So he can do all these nice things like your laundry and you feel taken care of. And that's great, but your feeling taken care of is kind of masking these other things that he's doing that make you go, wait, why is he doing that? That's weird. Why is he Snapchatting people?
Did he just lie to me about having been here before? And why is he lying? That's weird. Even if he took a girl there before, just tell me you took a girl there. Who cares? We've only been dating for five months. It's not that crazy. But why does he need to lie? you know? And so, you know, does that make sense?
So he just recently cleaned out the drawer under it to give me another second drawer. He's saying that it's possible that her underwear fell into that second drawer. So I said, well, that makes perfect sense.
Oh yeah. It makes perfect sense.
So we don't know. I, I, I suspect something's going on and I think you need to be quicker to ask follow up questions and not, not try to talk yourself out of challenging him. Cause that's what you're doing now. I think you're talking yourself out of questioning his behavior because, you know, we don't want to question the people we claim to love or, or are developing feelings for.
And then he can kind of do the whole kind of, manipulating gas. Oh, what? You don't trust me. It's like, okay, well, I don't know. Like I don't. And when someone says like that, you don't trust me. You say, I want to trust you, but I'm like, I'm your, your behavior is not adding up. Your behavior is giving untrustworthy. So I don't know. Yeah.
I wanted to trust you, but like, why are like you're Snapchatting at 2 a.m. You know, you, you lied to me about, you know, you, you have underwear in your drawer. I don't know. Would you trust me? I don't know. Like maybe this is all a big coincidence, but like this is giving shady, you know?
So, so what, after I just rambled, what does your gut tell you about this guy?
My gut's telling me there is something off and something wrong. I just don't know what. I am really going to implement your advice and be more straightforward in asking the questions. I am kind of kicking myself in the butt a little bit for not being able to get the phone right away because his reaction would have set up, right? It would have said everything that I needed to know.
And it's something so simple that I could have just done. And I didn't do it.
You're not. I would pull back. I wouldn't go play house this weekend, so to speak. And I would say to him, listen, I'm having a hard time right now. I really want to trust you. I really, really do. But whether it's the Snapchat, it's just not adding up, man. The underwear, you call them out for the lying about the restaurant. If you were in my position, how would this all seem to you?
It's not just one thing. It's just a multiple of little things that just are giving your You're being shady. You know, you're, you're operating in a shitty way. You know, I'm going to, I'm going to hang out with mom and dad this weekend. I, you know, and just kind of be vague about it. Just be like, I, I want to be able to work.
um and it started bothering me like a sock stuck in the back of a dresser kind of yeah exactly so so it started bothering me a lot so i said to him instead of kind of taking it into my own hands i wanted him to reach out to her and say are these yours like you know kind of confirm because i wouldn't be i would just keep thinking about it if not and the girl confirmed that they're not hers she said they're not hers yeah who did you call did he call
I, you know, if depending on what you want to do, I listen, if, if you, if this is all just bad luck, I need more transparency. I don't know, but you have to call them out on this behavior. I would spend the weekend being like, I know you're not telling me everything. I don't know what you're hiding from me, but something else is going on.
And until I know the truth and not like, you know, and just call them out. Be like, listen, I asked you about the Snapchat. You said it was. And then two days later, you like randomly said, see, it was. Why didn't you say, see, it was in that moment. Right.
And to be honest, when you showed me, it was quote unquote, like just looking a quick glance, telling me that that is not actually the, that's not when he messaged you, you know? And I don't know, maybe he's messaged you since. So that's why it's not adding up. But I'm just saying you are acting in a shady way. You are being, it looks like you're trying to cover up your behavior.
You know, but maybe you're all, maybe you are telling me the truth, but like, again, if you were in my shoes, this would be, you wouldn't trust me. So listen, I think you will eventually get to the truth if you stop trying to talk yourself out of trusting your gut. And I think that's the biggest takeaway. When something feels off, you got to ask follow-up questions. There's nothing wrong with,
I don't think if you have to ask for that person's phone, it's an uncomfortable feeling, but like their actions put you in that situation. And again, if people have nothing to hide, then it shouldn't be a big deal. Right. You know, um, definitely. it's just like after a while, you know, America now and I have each other's passwords and things like that.
There are situations where like, I'll be like, Oh, like we'll, we'll door dash something or right. And then I'll be like, Oh, just use my phone. You know? And like, it's not that we're just so quick to, you know, but we wouldn't be like that if, if, if we, none of us were hiding things, you know, anyways, does this all make sense?
Oh yeah. No, it's great. It makes so much sense.
Do you feel, do you feel more armed?
Oh yeah. I do feel more armed and prepared. I do definitely, I guess I struggle with confrontation and that, I guess I do. Yeah.
And knowing that means that you're more susceptible to talking yourself out of these situations.
Easy way to handle it for me, but it's not because I, I do feel like, like something in my gut. And I do think that if I do,
keep brushing it off and pushing it away it'll just come back somewhere along the line somewhere else so and then i'm gonna really look like a fool a good remedy for being non-confrontational is to do kind of what i suggested is like it's a lot easier just to pull back and not come over when you're supposed to come over then show up and say what the fuck Right. So is it more passive aggressive?
Sure. But you'll get you'll get to the same destination, so to speak. You just say, listen, like, you know, make it you're basically making him confront you. You know, you pull back and he's kind of like, what's going on? And you're like, well, I'll tell you what's going on.
I'm having a hard time putting all these situations together and still believing that you're being completely transparent and honest with me. So that makes it a little easier to make them come to you by you pulling back and saying, I need to spend some time with the girls. Right now, I'm really having a hard time trusting you.
When you pull back, be like, I'm not going to be with you this weekend, but I need you to share your location with me. Okay, yeah. I mean, listen, again, you're kind of in this gray area, and I'm sure some people listening will be like, oh, you have to share your location. It's just like, you don't know this guy. You've only been dating him for five months. Right.
We want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but again, his actions are showing otherwise. So this is a person who should be happy to give his location. He should be happy to show you his phone. You know what I'm saying? Because if he's telling the truth, then your boyfriend is a victim of coincidence. You know what I'm saying?
And every once in a while, we are a victim of coincidence or circumstance. And it can feel real shitty to be like, I hate that I'm being accused of this thing. I definitely did. But I see why you feel that way because I wear your shoes. So how do we get out of this? That can happen. It's not impossible.
No, he called her. I, I, I was at work. So I texted him and I, you know, cause I, it was a bit of a slow day at the office. So I was like in my own head. So I said, you're, you're going to have to reach out to her, show her the underwear, ask her if it's hers and that's it. And then that's it. It's over. We won't talk about it ever again.
But when that does happen, the people who are wrongfully accused are very, very quick to do, how can I show you? I got nothing to hide. You know what I'm saying? So it's not about you being like, show me your location. He should be as enthusiastic to share as you are reluctant to ask. You know what I'm saying?
He should be trying to figure out what he can do to answer these questions about these bad coincidences he's been a victim of.
Thank you so much. It was really, really helpful.
Please keep us posted what you find.
I most certainly will.
Okay. All right. Thank you. Trust your gut. Trust your gut. And again, remember, trusting your gut is following up on things that have already happened. And being crazy is making up a story in your head about possibilities. It's reacting to possibilities. And you are reacting to events. Right. Right. So anytime you question, you're like, should I really be doing this? Did something happen?
Did you get the answers you needed? No. Then you have the right to ask for these, some of these things that we're suggesting you ask for, you know, if it's more like you're, if you know, you just feeling insecure and, and all of a sudden your boyfriend, you know, after three days, you feel disconnected. He hasn't been as affectionate. Maybe that doesn't mean like he's cheating on you.
You found underwear in his drawer. That's not the same as him being a little distant for a week. You know what I'm saying?
You know, you asking to see his phone because he's been distant as you maybe demonstrating a little bit of craziness. So, but I think it's important to point out because I think a lot of us struggle, you know, in those situations. No one wants to be crazy. No one wants to question people and no one wants to be wrongfully accused, you know, yada, yada, yada. So.
All right. Take care.
Thank you. You too.
All right. Bye-bye.
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I would think you would know. Why are you confused? Paint me a situation as to why you're not sure if you're the one doing the ghosting or if you're being ghosted.
How long have you been hanging out with this guy?
And how many dates have you been on?
Are you hooking up?
Okay. All right. I'm just trying to get some context.
You haven't heard from him since? What makes you think you're ghosting? Because you just haven't followed up?
So you weren't by his side when he made the call?
Who sent the last message?
Okay. Yeah. Do you have the messages?
And now it's Tuesday.
So in theory, he could have lied to you.
Why don't you just ask him? What did you ask him before?
How did you confront it? Like read me that message.
In theory, yes. And I didn't ask for any receipts. I haven't really been smart about this. I haven't asked for any proof.
On a Saturday. What night was this?
So at this point, you had hooked up a few times. And when you have hooked up, one of you spent the night.
And this time he's over. You guys are watching a movie. You tried to hook up. He didn't seem to be that into it. And then randomly was like, you're going to hit me, but I got to go.
It's uncharted territory. How long have you been dating this guy?
We've been together for around five months.
You know what I'm saying? People who are like on the verge of like randomly quitting their job are like having a sense of like, fuck this job. Why am I wasting energy on this job? That's not fulfilling or what? I mean, anyways, also the second of all, like, I just think in general, this is, this is definitely a generalization. If he really liked you, it would be enough, so to speak. Right.
So it's pretty new. It is pretty new. He's very fast in the way that he is with his relationships.
I hope that doesn't hurt your ego. But if he liked you, if he liked you in the way that you, I'm assuming, would like to be liked by him, then you would offer a sense of stability. You would offer a sense of comfort. You know, how old is this guy, by the way?
Listen, I definitely had gone through like a quarter life crisis in my life when I was like around that age. I was 25. But that was because I didn't feel like the things I had hoped and planned for myself were all happening. And I think that's very common in your mid 25s because I like I've always said, you know, we make this mistake.
you know especially with society being what it is now in terms of our expectations on on young adults and when we expect him to get married and settle down i think there's pros and cons of both you know i was thinking about this the other night it's just like i think it's almost kind of crazy you know back in the day you know in the 60s 50s whatever whatever year or whatever minus maybe to the 2000s it was just like you know high school college get married right and it's just like man
We were just telling all these young adults who have like really limited experience when it comes to love to just like decide on a life partner. And it's like the equivalent of like giving a Ferrari to someone who's never driven a car before and just saying, figure it out, you know? And we wonder why some of those relationships like ended in a terrible car crash, so to speak, right?
Okay. And the ex-girlfriend you had him call, how long has she been out of the picture?
Metaphorically speaking. On the flip side, we now, you know, have a society that's almost like the extreme of like now it's like we're expecting nothing from our 20 year olds where it's just like it's all about being selfish and YOLO and travel and yada yada.
And everyone's in these situationships now and no one's committing to anything because everyone's confused and no one wants they want for themselves and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The answer is somewhere in the middle. But to that end, I just like my point is, is like, I don't think he's having a midlife crisis as much as I'm be willing to bet that he's looking at his life as a 27 year old man.
And he, you know, and on some version thinking this is not what I expected for myself when I was 19. He's not actually saying that. I don't think he's actually able to like probably process that, but I'd be willing at the end of the day, if I were talking to him, we'd probably drill down to that, that general feeling.
Is that like this man had some sort of ambitions and hopes and like whatever, what does he do for work?
And how successful do you think he is?
What do you mean a month?
Like a month. Like she, he stopped dating her in around May. He actually, he told me that she dumped him on his birthday.
Okay. Yeah. So what does he sell?
Yeah. Right. So, you know, and like, and depending on, you know, the type of job, what's your ask to view how successful you are, it can feel like, is this, is it, am I meant for this? Right. I mean, You think about sales as someone who used to be in sales before COVID, before every job became work from home.
It was usually the sales job that had a lot of flexibility compared to my friends who were engineers or accountants or whatever other typical jobs. So sales, so you had this sales job, right? And it offered you some flexibility. And if you're good at sales, you tended to make a little bit of money compared to someone who was a teacher or whatever.
To which all my friends who weren't in sales would say, oh, I should get a sales job. And I'd be like, by all means, go get a sales job. Yeah. But like, you know, you get told no a thousand times a day, you know, like for all the people who are successful, there's 10 people who aren't successful. Right.
And so maybe your boyfriend is someone who got into sales because he saw someone making all this money or someone told him he should do this and blah, blah, blah. Now he's doing it. He's not as good as he thought he would or should be. And now he's struggling with it. Maybe it's just because he's impatient. I don't know. We're not here to diagnose this guy.
But the point is, based on what I'm hearing, I'm hearing that like, you know, listen, he's not happy with where he's at in life. And right now you're in his life. And so, you know, I think you can come to your answer pretty quickly by just like taking your ego out of it and being like, listen, I don't know. It's certainly not just you. You know what I'm saying?
And like to say like you should be enough is a little heavy handed. But I think my point still stands is that like maybe it is his job that's driving, you know, this more than anything. But he's probably overreacting about life in general. And he's just not as excited about you as he should be or is that you want him to.
But you've been dating him for five months.
And more importantly, if you are, in fact, intentional and serious about finding someone to really build a connection with, this guy who's just like kind of unhappy where he's at in life isn't your guy. He's got some shit to figure out and he's probably not going to want to figure it out with you.
Since June or since like July, early July was the official date. Okay.
How many dates did you guys have before you hooked up?
Okay. Listen, I don't know if you've heard my thoughts about hookup culture, but you have to separate hookup culture and dating culture. And right now, dating culture has become hookup culture. And that just makes dating harder for everyone.
So you're saying she was out of the picture for a month when you met him?
Even the men, even the men who just want to fuck around and have some sex, you know, like I've said before, every fuck boy is eventually someone's future husband or wife. You know what I'm saying? So even the most fuck boy, fuck boys someday probably want to settle down and have kids and get married, but they're like 28, 29, good looking tall.
And they have their options of all these women who are also looking for husbands and they have maybe the best intentions, but like, because the dialogue about around dating is what it is, where it's just like, well, you know, I'd like you, but I'm not sure if I want to rush into anything. And like, you know, like I think we're dating, but not exclusive, whatever that bullshit is.
Okay. All right. I'm talking about, well, tell me the story.
Or it's just like, you know, this whole like long journey to become boyfriend and girlfriend. But I think we should, you know, but we should definitely have sex, you know? And it's just like, okay. But like, again, like sex is a big part of building a connection. And like, there's a time and a place for it. And listen, it just is what it is.
It's like, again, men respond differently to sex than women. And it's just like, When you have sex with someone, it definitely takes out the excitement of wondering what it's like to have sex with someone.
So this morning I see that I have a message request on Facebook and it's her and she. So actually, I do know now that he didn't reach out because she said she said, are you really messaging me from your boyfriend's phone? And I said, no, no. I said, you know, I had him do it. I didn't want it to be a big confrontation between you and I. It's his business. He needs to provide the answer.
And the wonder to have sex with someone is a very useful tool to keep men engaged. It just is, you know, it just is. Right. This is all to say, if you find yourself to be a relationship girly who has gone from one serious relationship to another, and most of her 20s has been filled this kind of like pretty good but not great relationships where you find yourself like, why am I dating this person?
Like, what are we working towards? What's going on? And listen, like I said this before, like when we're 20, 21, why we get into relationships is a lot different than why we get into relationships when we're 30. When you're 20, you're just like, I don't know. I feel something. Let's date. Fuck it. Cool. You're my boyfriend. I like you. It's that simple.
Now that you're 28, you're like, well, I like you, but you know, like you remind me of the guy I used to date. And this is like, why would I date the same guy? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Where we have more input, we have more data and now we have to change your behavior. But the fact that you're still hooking up very quickly with these men and then expecting either of you.
To be able to clearly understand how both of you are feeling about the other person, even though the mystery of sex has been removed from the relationship, makes it more difficult. And as I often say, a guy, speaking for most men, and I'm generalizing here, exceptions to every rule, most men need to be obsessed with
with having sex with you in order to stick around long enough to get to know you, to be able to like you enough to stick around regardless of what the sex is like. Does that make sense?
and I'm saying this as an opinion because I'm not an expert, but these are facts, you know, and anyone who wants to disagree with me is just in denial. Like, you know, and again, exceptions to every rule. There are some women who seem more man-ish when it comes to sex. And there are some men who have a more of a softer side to them that maybe approach sex more like women. But
Generally speaking, if you're going to hook up with a guy early in a dating situation, you are losing some power. You just are.
Now, that being said, you know, like you definitely don't want this guy to stick around just because he wants to see what you look like naked, you know?
Why are you unwilling to make an answer for yourself?
but you don't. Yeah, we all can do things, you know what I'm saying? We talk so much about maintaining our power and all these fucking buzzwords we all throw out, but you have to understand the meaning of these words and then apply them to your life, right? So if you have ever, with your girls or to yourself, thought it was important as a woman to maintain her power in a relationship.
Have you ever in any way had a conversation like that or thought that to yourself or watched a TikTok where someone's like, you girls maintain your power and blah, blah, blah. And you're like, yeah, we should... Well, then you need to act accordingly and maintaining your power. It's not saying, well, I could do that, but I'm not going to.
I could make a decision, but I'm going to let them make a decision. You know what I'm saying? I could take control of the situation, but I don't want to take control of the situation. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you want to maintain your power, then you have to be powerful in your decisions. You have to take the initiative. You have to take control at times.
So I had him reach out. And she's and I said, since I said, and I kind of did say, considering you left all your stuff there, you know, you kind of just up and left. And she said, that's not what happened at all. She said, I needed a break for my mental health. And then all of a sudden, next thing I knew, he was dating you.
Listen, and I'm not talking about like, yeah, when you enter in a relationship, if you're more traditional and you want to have a man lead, so to speak, and you want him to be chivalrous, you can have all those things, right? It's about finding that balance. But while you're a single lady out there fending for yourself in this crazy dating world of fuckboys and situationships and hookups...
You're going to have to like set healthy boundaries, enforce those boundaries, make decisions for yourself, take the lead, take charge, not wait for people to make decisions because it's easier for them to make a decision for you to make a decision for yourself.
If I were you, I would just decide for yourself if this relationship is serving you in the way that you need. How long you been hanging out with this guy?
So perhaps I'm like, perhaps maybe you need to be a single girly for like a year. Right. And listen, if you want to fuck around and have some sex, then participate in hookup culture and listen, like, yeah, maybe you'll meet the man of your dreams. You know what I'm saying? But like, it's just about like being honest with yourself.
I've talked about this all with every call, like the last call or the different topic. But like, you got to be honest with yourself about why you do what you do. whatever it is that you do. Right. So if it's like, I want to, I want to have sex with this guy tonight, then have sex with them. But be honest with yourself about like, I'm, I'm doing this because I think he looks good. He smells good.
I don't want to see what his dick looks like. I'm horny, whatever the reason, but it's because you're, you want to have sex. You're not going to have sex because you, you've convinced yourself it might make him like you more that, you know, like a playing house or whatever. Sex will never make a guy like you more. Ever. Never. He might like having sex with you, but it won't make him like you more.
Men are able to objectify sex. They are. And when they're having sex with someone who's essentially a stranger, and this man is a stranger to you, it's even easier. And they've never fallen in love with a woman over sex. They have fallen in love with having sex with women, but they have never fallen in love with those women because of sex.
Men fall in love with people through missing them, from wondering what it's like to have sex. That's how they fall in love. the mystery behind things, building a connection. Men need to feel supported because men can be weak. They are little babies, emotional little babies that don't know how to show their emotions.
And when they feel taken care of and when they feel safe and secure, that's when they start falling in love. They do not fall in love with sex. If there's no point I get across to my audience before I ever stopped doing this is that for all the people out there participating in hookup culture, no man will ever fall in love with you because you put out
Well, in fairness to your boyfriend, what is a break for mental health purposes? And how long is he supposed to sit on the sideline?
But I hope that you find that to be empowering because I'm not saying don't ever have sex. I'm saying when you want to have sex, you have sex because you want to get laid and that's it. Right. And you know what? Have some fun with it. Objectify him in a way.
You get what I'm saying though. But like I'm saying, imagine all the times that you, if you were to know that if I have sex with this man tonight, the only thing that's going to happen is we're both going to maybe get off. I mean, he's probably going to get off, but who knows if I'm going to get off. But it won't change how he feels about me. Imagine how many men you might not have had sex with.
Uh, it would have saved you like that trip to urgent care, you know? Um, we all know all the other things that come along with hookah culture that we don't talk about that, like day after hangover, like, why did I do that? You know? And then the days where you don't actually wear a condom or you started with a condom, but you didn't finish with a condom.
And then you have to go to urgent care and then kind of like, I don't want to get an STD test. You kind of whisper in there because you don't want to be able to hear you. And then those three days of like, just hoping that you like, you don't have anything. You know what I'm saying?
All these crazy things that we think to ourselves, like when we're going through those days of like finding out, like, you know what I'm saying? Like you could avoid all that by just simply being honest with yourself about why you're having sex with these men. Okay. And then as far as dating, when you do meet a guy that you like, take it slow. Yeah. And men will throw a fit.
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I talked to my sister about that and she said the same thing. She said, you know, a break, you know, I wouldn't accept a break from somebody. I don't think it's for me.
They'll be, you know, try to make you feel like, oh, I'm not like that. Especially when you're like, well, I want to move slow. But like if a guy really likes you, he will stick around. He'll wait forever. He will.
He really will. If they like you enough, they will wait. All right.
Okay. So as far as this guy, listen, I don't think he's your guy. I think you should take charge of your dating life and you should make a decision about this guy and you should stop waiting around from him.
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I'm pretty sure that you aren't interested in starting a relationship with someone who claims would be going through a midlife crisis, who's about to quit a job without knowing what they want to do next. That's not your guy. So take him at his word and you're not as therapist. You're not even his girlfriend. You're not his mom. You're not his friend.
Okay. All right. Good luck. Keep us posted. I'd love to know in the future what you, what you've done with this information and how it's impacted your dating life.
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I was okay with kind of the quickness of everything. I was single for like about four years, kind of ready to take that next step. I did a lot of my own self work. So I did move forward with the quickness of it all being the, being that we would spend every night together. I was sleeping at the house, you know, spending all this time together talking and,
Hi, I'm John. I'm 33. Broke up with girlfriend about two months ago, having some issues kind of moving past the relationship.
Okay. All right. Well, I'm your perfect guy to talk about this stuff, man. More than anything, the thing that got me in to doing this type of shit and giving advice is I had a hard time getting over some heartbreaks, man. And I definitely made it way, way worse on myself. I did all the things that make heartbreak even more, more hard.
So hopefully, hopefully I'll be, you'll be able to leave this call with some, at least a couple of helpful tips or takeaways, but we'll see. We'll see how it goes. How long did you date this person for?
About a year and a couple months.
Okay. And she ended it?
Okay. Out of nowhere, did you kind of feel it coming? Were you guys like kind of disconnected for a while? Like how did that all play out?
Um, it, it wasn't, I wouldn't say it was out of nowhere. Um, it was, it was kind of coming in a sense this year. I really struggled personally with like mental health stuff.
And, uh, my, my, uh, coping mechanism is, is self-isolation and, and kind of eternal internalizing everything. Okay. And, uh, I guess, you know, what that looks like on the opposite end is, is her feeling, you know, distant and, and kind of feeling like she was searching for me, uh, for the last four or so months of our relationship.
That's very honest for you to say. I am curious because you very eloquently stated that. When did you become aware of that? And why was it kind of so obvious for you to say that now? I'm guessing in the past few months of your relationship, she probably tried to address this. I guess, how did you handle this frustration she had while you guys were dating?
I think I was, I don't know if it was ego or pride or, I think I was more concerned with trying to not burden her and, uh, kind of deal with it on my own. So I, you know, the, the answer would always be, you know, I'm fine. Everything's fine. You know, everything's going to get better. Everything's going to be good.
And that was, you know, obviously not, not truthful in the sense of, of the reality of the situation, but, uh, it was my way of, I don't know, trying to not burden her, uh, I guess.
If you don't mind me sharing, what were some of the things that you felt like you were struggling with at the time, or maybe you still are?
I own a business. This year has been financially just insane. Just ups and downs, ups and downs. So, you know, as a man, I guess I kind of felt
defeated in a lot of ways i've i've had this business for about three years and it really took a toll mentally this year because you know as as owning a business you don't really have anybody else to turn to when when things go awry you have to kind of figure it out yourself and when you run out of uh of resources to figure it out you kind of just uh you're at your wit's end really
Yeah, I can, I can relate. And yeah, it's definitely a challenge for sure. So when you were running this business and at times, you know, the peaks and valleys, the extremes of running a business are definitely real. Even that, like, did you share that with her? So like, Hey, the business, it's just like, I'm really, I got some fears or whatever. It's crazy.
And he, you know, dropped the L-bomb a couple of weeks in and things like, and I, and I actually don't, I, you know, I said, I'm not exactly there yet. Not ready to move in. I like the part-time situation that we have. I think that's more comfortable. I don't know.
Did you go as far as talking about that? Or were you just like, I'm good. It's fine.
Yeah, for sure. She, she, she was aware of it. She was definitely supportive of it. You know, she's, she's always made it a point to make sure that, you know, money isn't important to her and, you know, that, you know, something can be figured out. So.
And then in the moment, how did that feel? I don't know.
It felt, you know, in a sense reassuring, but at the end of the day, I know that kind words and reassurance doesn't, doesn't, you know, make my business prosper. So.
No, but did you feel like you made her feel like she had a positive impact on you? Because you're right. I mean, listen, like, I don't know what your business is, but you're right. Like a pat on the back isn't going to like bring in new customers, so to speak. I completely get your logic. At the same time, we all want to feel like we add value to our relationships and we can help our partners.
You know, there's, it's a very, no one wants to feel like they have no positive impact on a relationship and there's nothing they can really do. And then like,
It's like in your case, I appreciate where you're coming from, but I can appreciate how you have to be kind of very delicate in your delivery at the risk you could come across as very dismissive, almost like, I don't want to say condescending, but in a way where it's just like, yeah, great. Thanks for the support.
But that doesn't help me pay, you know, that doesn't help me get to next year, so to speak, which could make her feel very like, well, what good am I in this relationship? So you got to be able to find that balance of appreciating the support of we'll get through this, but not making her feel like she didn't help you at all. Am I making sense?
Yes, absolutely. And that was one of the things that she had mentioned was that in those moments that she was being supportive, that I did feel like I was dismissive. And, you know, reflectively, I definitely was. It was never like a. And I've explained this to her. You know, it was never like a conscious thing. Like, you know, I thought after her gesture, like, you know, let me be dismissive.
It's, it was just weird to me that I find out that they broke up, you know, that he was dumped in May and then a month later he's rushing into something else. So that was just a bit fishy and the underwear and then a couple of other white lies that I've found out. Like what? So we there was a week where I spent a lot more time home because I was just feeling a bit overwhelmed in the relationship.
It was never like something I consciously thought about before I said it. It was just like a natural reaction of maybe defensiveness. I don't know.
I even think she would probably believe that you didn't do it on purpose. You know what I'm saying? And it was probably just something you reacted to in the moment. And when we're reactive, we're reactive usually out of fear.
I mean, when you own your own business, you wake up every day with a lot of like fear for like, you know, kind of keeping it real and drilling it down to like the most basic root of our emotions, like a fear of not, making it, a fear of not being successful, like as a man, right?
Like whether it's internalized pressure we put on ourselves, society pressure, you know, it's like, we want to prove our worth. We want to feel accomplished. We want to like, you know, be proud of the work we're doing. And then, you know, also we just want to also be able to pay our bills. And there's all these things as a, you know, a young man that you're like struggling with. Right.
And I think also at times, I think us men kind of struggle with like, you know, And I think it's a double edged sword, too, because I think there's a little bit of it's like you want us to be vulnerable. But when we're vulnerable, we give you the ick. You know, I think men have that kind of fear when it comes to our partners.
It's just like you want us to be vulnerable, but you want us to be strong at the same time. And it's trying to strike that balance between being completely vulnerable with our partners, but also like not being so vulnerable that, you know, our partners are like, I don't know how to help this guy. Does any of that kind of translate?
Yeah, for sure. And it, that was like a internal fight for myself. Like how, how much do I make myself vulnerable versus not? And how does that translate into the relationship? Uh, you know, if I, if I'm completely brutally honest, is she going to be like, uh, holy shit. Like I gotta go.
Yeah. Yeah, totally. Uh, are you in any kind of therapy?
Uh, yeah, I actually, uh, started seeing a therapist, uh, immediately after. So we had like a brief little breakup.
thing earlier this year we we had never gotten into a fight we got to a bad fight one week and she she broke up with me and she was just like whoa this is too much and then after some reflection you know blah blah blah we got back together and then everything was good up until you know obviously later in the year but therapy is so expensive and i was literally dumping all of my money um into into my business and uh my business is very seasonal so towards the end of this year when the season hit for me that was like one of the first things i did was was uh get into therapy
Well, that's good. And yeah, it definitely can be expensive. And it's just one of those things where, as I'm sure you know, as a business owner, you just have to like constantly prioritize expenses and costs and figure out like which have the most meaningful impacts. And, you know, as someone who like right now is going through a breakup and kind of reflecting on his breakup and wondering like,
Trying to strike that balance between being vulnerable with your partner, but not being too vulnerable that the fact that you kind of unload too much too soon, whether it's therapy or having a mentor or a friend that you really feel comfortable. Part of it is this like you kind of need someone to unload on.
in a way you know and if that's your therapist that you can just kind of walk into a room and be like hey i'm paying you so i'm just gonna like be raw as fuck because i don't even care what you think about me i'm gonna leave the room and you're gonna collect the paycheck or you just have a friend or you know back in the day when i was uh you know in my late 20s i i my my therapists were always like these middle-aged women i worked with you know that like they were like
10 15 years older than me and they like love to hear my dating stories and live vicariously through me and so i kind of like trusted them and i didn't really give a shit what they thought so i could just kind of vent to them and shit like that but that was helpful you know because like at the end of the day you just got to get it out right and it's striking that balance between like you want to have your partner and you want to obviously they want to be your main support system but like sometimes you just want to like get shit off your chest and maybe you don't want to be quite so vulnerable with someone you you know i've only been dating for a year
Something to consider. Let's go back to the breakup. Do you know why specifically she broke up with you? Is it very much this or are there other things you're wondering, like, could it be another guy or shit like that?
No, it's definitely couldn't be another guy. She's just she's just not that not that type of woman that that that I have no concerns over. No, it's definitely it's definitely the. You know, she saw a lot of self-destructiveness.
And I think I remember her saying, it's like ingrained in my brain, she said, I think verbatim, she spent so much time in the last few months searching for me that she started to lose herself. She just got to a point where she felt like she was lost when she was looking for me and she just couldn't be in that place anymore.
Prior to that week was this is going to sound really silly. But prior to that week, there was a restaurant that he's never gone to. We you know, he would talk about it. They're just they're building this new this new spot. Let's go.
I have a close friend who's going through a similar situation that you went through. My friend is a woman. Her partner is also a business owner. He made a big bet not too long ago and that bet didn't work out, right? He's a little older than you. And so I think he's really struggling with his value.
I think when we make a big bet and it doesn't work out, especially when it comes to our careers and we feel middle-aged, whatever age that is, 30, 40, it doesn't matter. It's all kind of relative. It can really have an impact on us. It can really fuck us up. It can really fuck us... especially us guys. And as a result, it's really affected their relationship.
He sometimes just ignores her at times. He really pulls back. And for her version of the story is like, you'll ignore me for two or three days. You know, she's trying to connect with him. She's trying to like understand him. He's just quiet. He's a bit introverted at times. It's one thing to pull away, but he's like, he doesn't even engage with her.
And they're on the verge of breaking up because she's just like, I don't, I don't, it's like, I can't do anything here. I don't know if any of that rings a bell or resonates with you, but just hearing her perspective. Yeah. It's just like, how do you, how do you date someone who's just not in the relationship?
You know, cause I can sit there and hear, I can hear her story and as a business owner and as a guy, I can let her know, Hey, this is how I think he feels right now. And I can empathize with him like crazy. I can really paint a picture for her that better helps understand that
where he might be coming from, I'm still like, well, unless he figures it out, you need to end this relationship because he's not giving you anything. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, yeah, he's down bad, but he needs to like pick himself back up, get to work and fucking muscle through and figure it out.
And in the meantime, he needs to be willing to still be able to connect with you and open up and be a partner. And I think sometimes when us guys are really struggling with our professional lives, and I think sometimes society tells us if we're not where we need to be professionally, then we're not capable of being partners we want to be.
And I think sometimes that's like internal pressure us guys put on ourselves. I think sometimes it's society pressure we put on ourselves. And sometimes I think that's pressure women can put on us, whether they mean to or not. I think it's a combination of all those things. But either way, my point still stands.
And the point I think your ex-girlfriend was making is I can't be your girlfriend if you don't want to be my boyfriend. It sounds like you were so mentally just like worried about the business and understandably so that like you just forgot how to be a boyfriend to her.
So it comes to find out that like a couple of weeks later, I go or I go to his apartment and then he's like, we're eating this food and he's signaling that he's already had it before. So I said, oh, when did you when did you get this? I don't want to be too specific, but when did you get this? And he was like, oh, my boss ordered it for us at work. So I said, OK.
When was the last time you guys spoke?
Been a couple of weeks. So we were in communication post-breakup. It was a lot of conversations and which which kind of confused me, too, is because, you know, we'd have conversations like one night she randomly called me, you know, like a month after we broke up and we had, you know, we talked we talked on the phone for like three hours.
The next day she was like, you know, that brought me so much peace to speak to you. And it's you know, it's effortless when we have conversations, you know, and, you know, that's how it always is. I mean, even right up to the day we broke up, we talked to each other like six, seven, eight times a day on the phone. I was out of town on working.
So that's, that's why, but you know, even if we're, we're not together for the day, I mean, up until the point we broke up, it was like that. But, um, and then after this three hour conversation, you know, the next couple of weeks, you know, it was texts like, I can't imagine my life with anybody else. You know, I dream of a time when we can work out.
I just don't know when, where, or how she's saying this. She's saying this. Yeah.
Yeah. And then how did you respond?
I just, uh, I, I said, well, if, if, if that's how you really feel, then why, why are we, why are we, splitting now and not putting in the work now.
Well, I'll tell you why. Because she doesn't feel like she has a choice.
And that was her response.
You know. But do you understand where she's coming from?
Yeah. Absolutely.
What you're telling me sounds a lot like my friend. And my friend being the woman in that situation. Like, it sounds very similar. And I can tell you my friend wants to make it work with this guy. Very much so. She really does. In fact, I'm like, you need to break up. Like, it's not going anywhere. And they've almost broken up multiple times. And I like the guy. He's a nice guy.
But he's just giving her nothing. And it's like you just can't be in it by yourself. And she's still fighting for this relationship. She's having a hard time letting go. But she cares about him. I'm hearing from you that this woman is still holding out hope that you guys could end up together. But she's probably talking to her friends, maybe her therapist or whatever.
And she's probably saying things like, the guy just shuts down on me. He's distant. And I'm trying my best to connect with him. And he gives me nothing. And I just feel like I'm useless. I feel like I'm not doing anything. I'm just kind of sitting there. I feel very alone. I bet she has used the phrase, I feel very alone in this relationship.
Yeah, she said that to me.
Yeah, and she's told her friends. So what do you think you can do about it? I mean, do you think that, I mean, based on what you're telling me, that there's still hope if you want to get back together with this girl. Do you think she's your girl? And now you have to ask yourself, despite me having a hard time with this breakup, Because I don't doubt you care about her. I don't doubt you miss her.
I don't doubt you do miss the comforts of having a girlfriend and that emotional support that comes with having a girlfriend. It already feels alone to own a business by yourself. Like you said, it's just like, you know, I think as business owners, you're sometimes every, every once in a while, you're like, I can't, what the fuck am I doing, man?
Like, I'm just kind of like winging this shit, you know? And you're You're following your instincts and good for you. Your instincts have gotten you this far, but it feels like sometimes you wish you could just like have, like most people who have bosses and they have bosses and those people have bosses. You kind of wish you could be like, hey, just point me in the right direction, man.
Like, give me some advice. So you already feel alone as a business owner. And I imagine having a partner or a girlfriend helps make you feel less alone. Now that she has left you, you have to feel that rejection. You feel even more isolated and alone. But my question to you is, Do you think she's your person or are you just hurting from this relationship ending?
Because I think there's a world where you could save this relationship. But the question is, do you really want to? And is it the right thing for you to do? Because listen, this relationship is going to take work. It's going to require sacrifice. You're going to have to find moments to be able to disconnect from your job so that you can connect with her. And that has a cost.
You know what I'm saying? Like our relationships are work. And work towards a relationship is work away from your business. Now, you can make the argument that having a healthy relationship will ultimately make you a better, more well-rounded person and ultimately have long-term benefits on your career. But that is a choice you need to make.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think the balance of owning the business and then the family aspect and being able to balance everything is what I lack. And I think in those moments, that's when I was you know, shut down.
And, and I think that when you, when you have somebody that loves you in the back of your mind, maybe selfishly, you just assume that, you know, like, Hey, like I can put this on the back burner and not fuck this, but like, I don't have to think about this at this exact moment in time. Cause I have like all this other shit going on.
And then he changed it, changed the story within five seconds. It's like, oh, never mind. My friend, my friend picked me up in his new car and we went to go get it then. So automatically, I'm like, all right, well, those are two lies off the bat. But I didn't drill because I just had this mentality of if he really is lying, then I'm going to find out.
So I'm just going to focus on this and disconnect from this completely. And that was just a, that was obviously the, the catalyst to the ending of the relationship. And then that was where I lacked the most is finding that balance of Like, OK, like I'm neglecting this area of my life. Like I need to pull away from this at least for the moment and give into this and kind of transfer that energy.
And that's something that I didn't do.
OK, so this is maybe just an exercise of kind of reprioritizing where your energy is going. I'd be willing to bet that you spend a lot of time worrying about your business and that's not productive.
I spend a lot of time worrying about everything.
There you go. Yeah. Well, so you're like me. All right. So as a professional worrier, I'm an overthinker brain.
The, the noggin never stops. It's like a hamster wheel of like, uh, yeah. What happens if this, what happens at that?
Yeah, totally. Right. So I, I, I very, I very relate to you. You have to figure out, which of these thoughts are benefiting from you and which are just like you ruminating over and over and over and over because those thoughts take energy and that energy is not infinite. It's cash on hand. So think of it as just like your savings account for your business.
You can run out of energy, you can run out of money, you can run out of time. These are all limited resources. And as an overthinker, as a professional worrier, you are wasting a lot of energy.
And my point being is, there's a world where you could try to figure out being more productive in your worrying, so to speak, and being more productive when you are thinking about your business, that you are actually having productive thoughts that are actually moving the needle, that are actually getting you to make actionable decisions.
And then when you're just worrying for the sake of worrying, that's shit you could learn how to turn off So that you could focus on being a boyfriend, you know, being a partner, right? Because right now you're spending a lot of time worrying about shit that you're not making decisions on. You're just worrying for the sake of worrying it.
And that's time where you're disconnecting from your girlfriend and you're, you know what I'm saying? Like it's getting you nowhere, right? It's not helping your business. It's not helping your relationship. It's just something to do, but you're so used to doing it. And I think as people who are professional warriors, there's a level of comfort you have.
If I'm not worrying about my business, then I am not being, you know, like something could slip through the cracks, so to speak. It's like I always have to be on. I think, you know, there's this kind of fear of as a business owner. I can tell you as a business owner, I have learned, especially in the past year, honestly.
Like for me, a lot of my business is online, you know, for example, but I've hired people to be online for me. And so like when it comes to like being online as a consumer, I have some healthy boundaries. You know, I'm very disconnected at times, you know, when I'm when I'm, you know, it helps also being a dad, you know, like puts things in perspective when you have a fucking kid.
And so for me, that's been helpful to like I know how to disconnect from work. And so when I'm not where I'm, you know, I very much try. Listen, as an overthinker, if you were to ask my wife, Natalie, she would tell you I'm always thinking about work. I'm never turning things off. But like I have gotten better at just turning it off, so to speak, and finding other outlets.
And so you got you have to think about that because it's one of those things like when your partner says, like, I don't care about money and blah, blah, blah. You know, you have to find a way for that almost in a way to be helpful because you're thinking, well, I care about money and I don't want my business to fail. Right.
And I don't know if that's silly to think, but I'll find out.
Yeah. Well, I have, I have, I have two kids as well. So I, that's, you know, that's, that's a huge stressor. Yeah.
Not with her. No.
So you, you, you're, you're co-parenting.
That's stressful. Yeah.
It gets, it gets better with time.
Okay. Well, yeah, that's something. So, you know, anyways, my point still stands about like, as a professional warrior, you have to learn how to control your thoughts. Because again, back to like, when your partner says, I don't care about money, I just want to be, you know, hopefully you can take her at her word. Because like some people say they don't care about money and they do.
What's your dating history?
So there is that. But I guess the point is, when she says something like that, you almost have to be like, yeah, what if this business didn't work out? Would she be enough? If your business failed tomorrow, would having her soften the blow? Absolutely.
I had a long-term relationship in my mid-20s to the end of my 20s. So from 25 to 28, I was in a relationship. With somebody who was always coming home at 3am. I lived with him. So that I think there's a little bit of, you know, he would come home, I would find numbers in the phone, but it was always things that like weren't were never solid enough to work.
And would you be able to grieve the loss of your business for a period of time, still having the support of your partner, and then at some point where you grieved the loss of your business, let's say you grieved the loss of a heartbreak, you grieved picked yourself back up.
You got back to fucking work and you figured it the fuck out, you know, whether it's working for the man or starting a new business, I don't know. But like, if you kind of have that entrepreneurial spirit, then you kind of have a, like, I'll just figure it the fuck out. You know, it might be, there'll be good times. There'll be bad times. But at the end of the day, I'll bet on myself.
I'll figure it out. But in the meantime, I really like having this person in my life. And if you like having this person in your life, you have to, just like a business, you have to protect that. You have to prioritize it. You have to feed it. You have to grow it. You have to give a shit. Every day, relationships take a lot of work, just like businesses take a lot of work.
And every day, you have to do something for that relationship to make it work. You have to nourish it. You have to feed it. You have to prioritize it. You have to give it some attention. You can't put a relationship. I mean, if you pieced out on your business for four days at a time, how successful do you think that business would be? Yeah. You know, so that's the same way as your relationship.
So you have to ask yourself, do you have the bandwidth right now to prioritize both your business and a relationship? And if you think you do, and I'm guessing you do, because I'm guessing you're kind of wasting your time thinking about shit that's not going anywhere, but you just have to figure out how to do that. Is any of this helpful?
Yeah, absolutely.
When you're worrying about work, like when you usually worry about it, like when I say I think you're worrying about things that aren't like moving the needle, does that ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a constant. It's like I said, I'm very seasonally driven. It's a tree care company. Yeah, it's very seasonally driven. So like right now, like December through February is like just non-existent. I kind of anticipate that every year now. But yeah.
And so that should be a signal to you that you've already worried about it. And worrying about the same thing over and over doesn't get you anywhere. And I do that shit all the time. I just get stuck on this thought. And if I don't have a clear answer to it, I'll just... just over and over.
You literally have to get to the point, whether it's through a therapist or just like good old fashioned, like thinking or whatever, having a friend, you have to just say, all right, well, listen, if I don't have a solution right now, I'm going to table it to the side. And if it pops in my head, I'm just going to like put it out of my mind for now. And that takes, that takes some work, man.
And it's like, it's easy. It's way easier said than done, but it is a skill.
I discovered a CBT. I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
Yeah. What is it?
Cognitive behavioral therapy.
It's like it's essentially has to do with rumination. I mean, that's pretty much the core of it. And overthinking and basically what you've been describing is kind of separating thinking from thoughts. And, you know, the ones that like you just said, you just keep overanalyzing the same problem because I do the same exact thing that you just described.
Like if I don't have a clear answer to it and it's like not like a light bulb going off and it's just it doesn't go away.
Yeah. Yeah. Drive you crazy. So listen, I think you're, I mean, you're, you're self-aware. You can acknowledge some of these things, you know, but to get her back, you've already, so you've already broken up once. I'm guessing it was around all of the similar problems. So she's already gotten back together with you based off of nothing other than hope.
So I'm guessing she's less likely to do that this time.
And that's, yeah, that's exactly the, the reason we're not getting back together this time.
But she hasn't given up on you. So you got that going for you. So what do you want to do about it?
I mean, I definitely want to repair the relationship. I mean, she's my person for sure. I mean, it was for both of us. It was like a instantaneous connection. I mean, I don't even know how to explain it. It sounds so stupid, but it's like without even getting to know the other person, you already know what that other person is thinking without even having to communicate with them.
It's like a it's a weird connection. I don't know. I don't know how to explain it other than that.
You don't have to explain it. You believe it, and that's all that matters. I'm guessing your love language is acts of service, or one of them?
What are her love languages?
Emotional availability, I think, is the number one.
So probably quality time, then?
Quality time, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So you should be mindful of what her love languages are, for one. In the future, if someone asks you that question, especially given your situation, you should be able to rattle that off, right? And part of you not knowing that for sure, you know, one, it's just you're a dude. And if she hasn't asked you, you know, you're probably...
But part of it is like it take away the whole like what sounds like woo woo and whatever. And that's something that I shouldn't give a shit about. Like all love languages are is this like a way to articulate how people connect and share love and make each other feel loved or feel seen and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. And so.
leave for um eventually you know you get checked out and i and i ended up just leaving that relationship um over those past few years of being single there were the situationships guys who i like them they don't like me or vice versa and it just wouldn't work out and then i went on hinge and i found hinge to be the most kind of successful way of meeting someone online so what does your gut tell you about this guy
you better understanding her love languages is better understanding how to make your partner feel loved. Because ultimately why she broke up with you is because you didn't make her feel loved. You didn't show her love. And when she was trying to show you love, you shut down And she felt very alone.
So one, just, just be more mindful of that and knowing like this, you know, my girl like needs some quality time. So quality time means like you are going to have to figure out ways when she says, Hey, you're pulling away from me. Do you, did you guys ever use like words like connect and disconnect? Yes.
So like those words have helped help me like now in our relationship because it helps articulate a feeling that, you know, I think in the past, like, I just don't feel close to you. And that's kind of like, what do you mean I'm here? You know, it's like I'm literally in the same room with you. That person's trying to say, well, I just don't I feel you feel disconnected or whatever.
So you got to find ways to connect with your partner.
Yeah. And that was that was something that she mentioned to it, you know, during the whole breakup and conversation during the breakup was, you know, she said at times she would be in the same room with me and it felt like I was, you know, somewhere else or not there, you know.
You guys have to get better at asking for each other's help, you know, vice versa. I think you'd get better at allowing her to help you if you got better at asking her for help. And she would feel more valued if you actually asked her for help. And that help could be in any form. It could literally be helping your business.
I mean, hell, when was the last time you asked your girlfriend for business advice?
A couple times, but she didn't really... She doesn't really know how to... That's not really the point.
You know what I'm saying? Like, it could be... You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe she's not an expert in trees. You know, before Natalie was on the show and part of the show, like, you know, as my girlfriend at the time, there were just various situations. A lot of it is just, like, interpersonal situations. Sometimes it'd be helping with me, like... A lot of my employees are younger than me.
My wife's a bit younger than me. So sometimes I've been like, hey, like I'm having this conversation with this person. Is there a better way to approach this conversation? Yada, yada. It really doesn't matter what the fuck you're talking about. The point is just find ways to make your partner feel like her input helps you. And that could be input on literally anything about your life.
You know, but making her feel included and valued goes a long way. You don't have to ask her for like, you know, how to get the best tax break. That's a question for an accountant and trees and shit like that. But like, I'm assuming that this woman that you describe as your person, I bet she you find her to be intelligent. And I bet you like aspects of her brain.
Yeah. So figure out a way to make her useful in your business. I think outside of the box. And then more importantly to be mindful when you're ruminating and when you're ruminating and you're disconnecting, you're pulling away. You got to check yourself and checking yourself doesn't make the feelings go away.
You know, when you're like stuck in a thought and you're like, fuck, and it's just like driving you and it's giving you fucking anxiety and you're just like, yeah. If nothing else, being like, I'm doing it. And just whatever it is you say to yourself that makes you recognize that will help you just be like, all right, I need to put the phone down, whatever it is. Let's go get ice cream.
Talk about something with her. And the more you can say to your girlfriend, I need your help, or hey, the more connected she will feel to you. So you just got to find different ways for her to help you. Help you at work, help you with life, help you take you shopping. You know, or whatever it is, like she wants to have an impact on your life and she wants to feel like she's helping you.
And when you shut down and you're like, I'm struggling, I'm struggling, I'm struggling, but don't stay away, stay away, stay away. It does the exact opposite of what she's trying to do with you.
You know, that's essentially what happened. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm guessing your fights are internal thoughts when something like this, you're having a bad day, whatever it is, right? It's work related, you're stressed out, you're feeling anxious, you pull away and she's like, well, how can I help?
And that your thought is, what do you know about like, and you're not trying to say it, maybe you don't want to sound like a dick, but in your head, you're thinking like, unfortunately, I wish you could help me right now, but you can't. I had to do this on my own. I'm, you know, ah, you know, and then you, and then that comes across as a big fuck you to her.
Yeah, I thought about that. Actually, there's there's, you know, you remember all the little things post breakup that you're like, ah, OK, that that moment probably meant a lot. But there was definitely quite a few moments when when when that, you know, she was trying to help. And I had that thought.
And, you know, in retrospect, you think, yeah, like she was probably like, wow, he just pretty much told me to go fuck myself. Yeah. Trying to be here.
Exactly. And maybe helping you is getting you out of your fucking head so that you don't spend another two hours thinking about the same problem that you're just not right. You're not in the right space to come up with a solution. So instead of worrying about it for two hours, getting more anxious and pulling away, let her help you.
My gut is telling me something is off, but he's so... Like I said, he does my laundry. He cooks for me. He's so good. I don't think I've ever been handled by a man with such care. So when I'm finding out these weird little things, I don't know what to do. I believe him. And it's like... What do you mean you believe him? Is this going to backfire?
get out of your head, but you have to be willing to get out of your head. It starts with you catching yourself and saying, I'm doing it. I'm doing the thing I do, right? And so when your partner says, well, how can I help? That's not a permission for you to worry about your problem even more. And then you'd be like, well, you don't know how to solve this problem.
Helping you is helping you get out of your head. Helping you is helping you not think about the same thing for three more hours and get nowhere. right? So helping you could just be like, you know, right, babe, thanks for checking me. Like, honestly, I don't want to think about where right now it's a problem that like, I mean, I can tell you about the problem.
I don't want to like dismiss your ability to help me, but honestly, you know, it would be really helpful right now, me getting out of my fucking head. So what can we do to get out of my head and just tell me it's going to be okay. You know, that honestly, would help and she would feel valued if you could just, you know, but it's like, it's allowing her to help.
It's giving her the benefit of the doubt. You've been shutting her down emotionally by just saying, you can't help me. And that's very defeating for a partner. And our partners can help us in a million different ways. You know what I'm saying? Like maybe it's a back massage. I don't know. Maybe it's just like peace of mind. You know, like there's a million ways.
If you allow someone to help you, who's willing to help you, they'll find a way to help you. You just have not allowed her to help you. And you've been resistant and stubborn in how she can help you. And you have to open up her ability to help you in any way. You'll take any help you can get. It doesn't have to be help about your business. Listen, as a business owner, work never stops.
You know what I'm saying? There is no off button. right? So any help that you receive in your life is help towards your business, right? So think of it that way. It doesn't have to be direct help. It's not like your girlfriend's there to give you accounting advice. It's just like, if she can help you feel good in any way, that'll help your business.
Because a healthier you and a clearer you is a better owner of the business, right? So think of it on a more holistic level.
Right. Instead of a business aspect.
Yeah. Because like, you know, if you're in the right headspace, how can you be a good business owner?
Yeah, for sure. Well, I guess, I guess moving forward, I don't know. I don't know how to, uh, so we're, we're, we're definitely in a no contact right now. We broke up a couple of weeks ago. I went out drinking, fucking got obliterated and just, she messaged me randomly and I just blew her up with the, I love you. I miss you. And she was just like, all right, I can't.
And then blocked me and haven't spoken since.
If I were you, I would get off this call, I'd think about what we talked about a little bit, and then maybe whip open that laptop of yours, open up that notes app, and write her a letter. I don't know if you're going to send it or not. I want you to put out your thoughts. I want you to reflect.
on some of these moments we talked about in ways in which you thought maybe, you know, situations or fights that you had. And when you write this letter, I want you to try to empathize with her point of view as much as you can. This is like an exercise in total empathy, right?
And you're gonna put yourself in her shoes and you're gonna write her a letter and talk about like, I've been really reflecting on how I've been in this relationship. And I want you to talk to her so that when she reads this letter for the first time in a long time, she's gonna finally...
feel like you hurt her but in this letter it needs to like you know you're not like you haven't figured this out yet right it's a journey she needs to understand like you getting drunk and saying i love you is kind of a fuck you to her because it's like you're hurt that's it hurts her to hear because what she would what i'm hearing without having talked to her is that if she could be with you she would be with you because she can't be with you because when she's with you you make her feel very alone and very sad and so you need to show her and articulate that you've finally
What do you mean? It doesn't sound like you believe him. No.
understand where she's coming from. And while you're still working on ruminating less and things like that, you've been doing a lot of reflecting and realize that, listen, I don't want to lose you. I really think you're my person. I want to be a better partner to you. I need to figure out how to better handle my stresses. I don't want to make empty promises to you and things like that.
like like that story I believe I don't know I guess there's I'm struggling internally on whether um like whether I should believe this believe him or not or whether I should dig deeper or I don't know have you ever been in this like have you ever heard of anyone who had this type of situation where they found a foreign object of clothes but it's just unidentifiable
And I don't want you to get back together with me simply based off of hope. But like, I want to work on this, you know, and I realized that I'll be a better business owner if I could be a better partner and a better, you know, man, so to speak. If, if any of this resonates with you, maybe we can talk in the future, but like, you know, you have to be willing to not shut down.
Yeah. So what do you, what's your advice as far as, I mean, obviously right now is no contact. I can't contact her, but, um, sure you can.
I mean, if you're willing, if you need to, right.
If you need to, well, I think, I think, I think if she blocked me, I think, going out of my way to contact her again would be salt in the wound.
Well, again, I think you calling her up and saying, I miss you, I love you, is a fuck you to her, right? Because she loves you and she misses you. And so you saying that to her is like, that's not... Missing you isn't my problem, right? It's you aren't a... You're not a good boyfriend to me. It is you are distant with me. You don't let me help you. You push me away from...
You make me feel less than. You make me feel worthless and blah, blah, blah. All the things that, you know, you remember all these fights. I'm just guessing here just because I've been you and I have friends who are in your similar situation and it's all very similar, right? My guess is if you said any version of the things we talked about, it would be well-received.
She would wonder how you came to this conclusion. She'd want to make sure that you really meant what you said. But have you said anything like that to her ever?
Yeah, I mean, when we broke up, I told her, That I was, you know, very dismissive and combative and distant in our relationship at times. And it wasn't, you know, anything that I purposefully did. But I said that when we broke up.
What did she say to that?
Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think the next step is you talking about what would you like to do differently? And it goes from just like, yeah, I was a jerk to, hey, I was thinking about that time we fought about blank. And I remember you asked me blank. And I know that my answer was like, in the time I was just like, you can't help me.
And I'm realizing that like, that wasn't fair to you, but I was wrong. You can help me. I just haven't allowed you to help me. And I think I've allowed my anxiety and stresses with work stop me from like realizing just how much good you have done for me and things like that. She needs to know that it's going to be different right now.
You're just like apologizing for this, you know, because you, you know, it's like, I'm sorry I was an asshole, but I'm still going to be an asshole. You know, that's kind of probably how she hears it.
For sure. That's how that's, that's her. Her answers reflect that statement, so yeah.
You're kind of like, yeah, it's kind of like, well, I'm sorry I'm an asshole, but I'm an asshole because I'm stressed at work and I can't quit my job, so I guess I'm just going to keep being an asshole. You have made the problem your job and your problem isn't your job. Your problem is how you have managed your emotions and stresses and your inability to control your ruminating thoughts.
That's your problem, you know, because, you know, as a business owner, There'll always be stresses, right? You'll always have problems. Things will come up. You'll have two good days and, you know, there's always a problem around the corner. You know, five years from now, your business really takes off and your stresses aren't exactly money, right?
Maybe you'll make to the point where you're like, I made it, you know, I have a successful business. You know, I'm no longer worrying about like, will this business survive? But I promise you, you'll have new problems. You know what I'm saying? As a business owner, you will always have stresses and problems. And sometimes those stresses and problems will feel existential.
Not off the top of my head.
They'll feel like maybe you have enough money, you have a nice house, you have your dream house, but who knows? It might be a crazy employee who's like, I don't know, I'm putting your business at risk. I don't know. As a business owner, there's always a problem waiting to happen. So it's like, I've realized that, you know, my problem isn't my business.
Wasn't there like a TikTok trend of like... Plant something and see how they react? Yeah, some shit like that.
There'll always be problems to solve as a business owner. I've realized that my problem is how I've handled these stresses in business. And I mean, cause that's the thing, whether you get back together with this girl or not, your next girlfriend is going to have the same issue with how you're handling your emotions and stresses in your business.
And I can tell you, you know, as someone who's owned my business for the better part of five years now, and there's a lot, you know, I'm grateful and I've grown exponentially and yada yada, but I am no less stressed today than I was when I... In fact, I'm more stressed today than I was when I started my business because the more you have, the more you worry about.
The more you have, the more you worry about losing it. It's just different stresses and they come in different ways. So, and it's all very exciting because being a business owner has a lot of perks and you have...
A lot of, it's a lot of rewarding things come from it, but it comes down to, again, to be a business owner and to be a partner, you're going to have to learn how to do both at the same time. And I think that's the message you want to articulate with her. So again, I do recommend you like getting out the notes app, journal your thoughts.
Again, this is more about you journaling and being able to like think about what you're saying, really believe what you're saying, articulate what you're saying, maybe work it, rework it, read it back.
If it gets to the point where you feel like this is something I really want her to know because I really actually thought about this and I really want to put this into action, then maybe think about considering it. And at that point, you could figure out a way, I am sure, to get a hold of her and reach out, whether it's through a friend or to say, hey, there's something I want to share with you.
Oh. No, I mean... So, oh.
I've been giving things a lot of thought. You'll find a way, right? And that's different than getting drunk and rage texting her.
yeah that's why she blocked you right so this is not she would love to hear from you you know she but it's just a matter of how she hears from you what she doesn't want you to is to mind fuck her and make her feel even worse and guilty about moving on from a relationship she doesn't even want to move on from but you're you have made it so difficult to stay in this relationship hopefully helpful though but i i yeah no for sure uh yeah i know i'm right i've had way too many experiences with this shit
Not the situation. Yeah, no. It's weird. Like, well, and then, okay, question. Before her, before this last girl, how long did you date her for?
Without knowing any of the circumstances, you've hit everything on the head with the limited knowledge that you do have. Kudos to you. You know a thing or two.
I have plenty of lived experiences, whether it's my own or
through friends so yeah man listen like the good news is is that this is all very fixable and i think you realizing that this is a problem that you need to fix as someone who wants to have a life partner and wants to have a successful career you you need to fix this and that's the good news is like you can prioritize it appropriately because like it needs to happen
And now you can focus your energy because you'll find the tools. Like you literally told me about something I didn't even know existed. You know what I'm saying? Because you've done some research. You have more to do. You are capable of finding the tools. I don't think is your problem. Your problem is this POV. It's just how you've looked at the situation.
Now, hopefully this conversation will allow you to take like a step back. and see this like from a 30,000 foot view and take some of the immediate pressures off and say, all right, well, this is my overall problem. Now, how do I fix it? And you'll figure, you know, therapy, doing your own research, honestly, journaling, just acknowledging it as a step in the right direction.
probably the same amount of time probably somewhere between four and five months because before that he had a long relationship that he was engaged for about he was with this girl for around seven years they co-parent the dog still and then he jumped right from that into this other girl so he's like a serial monogamous like he is dated like he wants a relationship
You're clearly a smart guy. You, you know, as if you're a business owner, you know how to problem solve. So that's not your problem. You know, it's, Focus on empathizing her point of view.
I mean, the best thing I've ever done in my life, the thing that's really helped me in every relationship I've ever had, whether it's my wife, whether it's my employees, whether it's strangers, people I'm talking to you, is just getting really good at saying, all right, if I were in their shoes, how would I
react in the situation and it's literally just taking your ego out of it it's not being right it's just literally like imagining you be in their shoes and then hearing back shit you've said to them and things like that and be like well that probably pissed me off too i guess if i were them i would feel a certain way
The better you get at that, the better you are at like just, you know, seeing their point of view. Every situation we are in, it's just like, there are just, there's a million ways to solve a problem and some of them are effective than others.
And the more you can empathize with the other person's point of view, the better chance that you have at solving the problem where you both mutually agree on. but right now it's been, you don't know how to solve my problem. I'm alone. I need to do this on my own. You can't understand what it's like for me to be a business owner.
And as a result of you approaching it that way, you have made your partner, your adversary, as opposed to someone who can help you.
A hundred percent.
All right. So there you go. Helpful.
Hopefully. Yeah. I mean, I, I really, I would, I would write things down and see where that start there.
Hopefully I can, uh, I can call back, uh, In a few months with an update and a positive note.
We would love an update. And listen, man, there's always the possibility that she won't take it back. That is possible. And you have to consider that right in this moment. I think you should strongly consider that.
I have. Yeah, that's that's the I think that's the biggest thing that I'm struggling with is coming to terms with that being a possibility.
I mean, listen, if that is the case, you're going to be fine. And I'm not trying to take anything away from your connection, but I have just learned that there are more than, no one, there's not just one person out there for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it is what it is. You feel a certain way right now because of what you're going through.
And you both probably have a, you have a chance with this person to have a great connection and a great life. But all I'm saying is shit happens. People make choices and you can only control what you can control. And if she chooses for whatever reason not to take you back, nothing should change for you in terms of this problem. She cannot be the reason you change. You have to change for you.
Because again, this problem isn't going to start and stop with her. And if she doesn't take you back, you fixing this problem isn't finding a partner who's more willing to put up with you. It's your willingness to change your approach on being a partner because no one is down for being in a relationship where they feel alone and feel ignored.
Yeah, for sure. That's one of the first goals I set and made sure I said to myself that I need to do it for me and not for anybody else.
And you're going to want it, right? Because like you said, imagine being in business with you and having a partner that treated... Imagine your girlfriend was your business partner. Imagine if she was in business with you and how...
She would feel having to make big decisions about the business, your business being the relationship, how she would feel having a partner in business who didn't really work with her on running the business. She just wants to create a business with you, man. I wouldn't say it like that in your letter. You should be more romantic.
You would make a great business partner.
Yeah. But I would use words like team. I haven't been a good teammate to you. She wants to feel together. We, us. I failed you as a teammate. I failed you as a partner. I have pushed away the help. I see that now. And I've made bad situations worse. And that's something I really want to work on myself. I need to work on this.
And that's part of your letter should be, I'm going through this and I'm working on this. I am sorry for how I handled things in the future. I hope I can get to a place where I am worthy of like you reconsidering this. But before I ask you to reconsider ending this relationship, I want to show you that I'm capable of implementing these changes into my life. that will go a long way.
I don't think I'm ready to exactly give up on him. I just, am I silly to just kind of, I'm not, because I won't, once I'm over it, I'm not going to talk about it ever again. Like, that's it. I don't, I've learned in the past, the back and forth, it's just not going to be worth it.
We'll see how it goes.
All right, buddy. All right. Best of luck. Keep us posted. I really appreciate the call.
All right. Thanks.
All right. Take care. Bye-bye.
What do you mean by over it? Like, I'm just curious.
Like, This situation, like I don't I don't want to have an argument over something else. And then since this is so open ended, be worried about, you know, bring it up again. Like since it's since we haven't figured out what it is and if anything ever happens, because I've been in situations where in the past with bringing things back up.
Sure. Do you feel like he's actually trying to figure out who's underwear it is?
No, I think he wants it over. I think because once I believed the initial story of the underwear fell behind the drawer.
Well, you tell me, you know, you, you, you're, you mentioned this last guy, right? You mentioned the guy you used to date and you know, you're, You know, all these things that seem fishy, these red flags, coming home at 3 a.m., random numbers in his phone, yada, yada, yada.
So there was, you know, in your last relationship, you described a pattern of inconsistency, behavior that you have a hard time adding up. Other than this pair of underwear, I understand, like, the white lie is a little, you know, fishy. But you tell me, does this man...
have time to cheat on you i guess you know like is he how are you spending a lot of time apart can you account for where he's at when you're not with him and i don't mean you know like i some couples right they spend so much time together right and when they're not together there's a lot of communication where it'd be like it would just be logistically difficult
to like cheat you know right uh then there's you know some couples like for a lot of times it's just like you think you have trust in a relationship you take it for granted you're just you don't think you have to like monitor your partner because no no relationship you should and you know like they have a job you have a job you know you see each other on a regular basis but there could be a they're sure you're like i don't know yeah there could be a lot of time where i don't know
Hi, Nick. My name is Amber. I'm 31 years old. Last week, I found a pair of underwear in my boyfriend's drawer. It's my drawer, but it's at his house. And the underwear is a mystery and we don't know who it's from. And he's completely denying it. So I'm suspecting that something might be going on behind my back.
I guess he could have had someone over or he could have like gone to someone's house or blah, you know, whatever, you know. But you're describing, you've only been dating, you've been dating this guy for five months. It sounds like you're dating someone who like has all the signs of like...
someone who, again, serial monogamous, who wants to meet someone, really falls fast, really kind of tries to play house, wants to move things along quickly. Those people tend not to also be cheaters early on. They tend to be cheaters maybe later on type of thing. Now, that's a huge generalization, but I guess five months is still incredibly early in a relationship.
So again, the question still stands, But just based off of how much time you guys spend together, how you guys are interacting, et cetera, et cetera, how likely or possible it is that he had a woman over to the point where she left her underwear and it ended up in your drawer? How likely is that?
It's pretty likely.
It's possible. It is. Yeah. Well, okay. So just to paint the picture, my dog lives with my parents. I have pretty much... So I'm here all the time. I want like I miss my dog a lot of the times when I'm not there or when I'm not here. So I spent a good amount of time here.
We kind of worked out a thing that makes that made me feel more comfortable where I'll spend like my Thursday to Sunday with him and then spend the rest of my week home. Um, and that's been working out really well, but there is a big gap. I will say he's not a partier. He like, he's, he's pretty much a home body and I don't know where he, you know, where he would meet, potentially meet someone.
Um, started going to the gym recently. I'm like, ah, which I like, I'm all for that. But then it's, you know, there's always that other side. It's like, well, why now? But that's a little bit of just back and forth in my own mind, I think. Um,
So why is it possible? Because you're not there half the week?
Just because I'm not there. That would be the only, that would be really actually the only thing that I would suspect. I don't take him to be a, like a shady guy or, because like I said, I've been, I've met the shady guy. I've been with the shady guy. He doesn't display any really of those characteristics, except a couple of little weird thing, weird lies.
Do you call him out when like the, the, the weird lies that did you call him out on that?
The first one, the one lie that I found, I didn't at first because I was so like, that was weird. I was almost like whiplash of two lies. And I was like, what the heck? Like, I didn't even know how to react. So I kept my mouth shut, kept eating. And that was it.
Then there was one, there was an incident where, you know, sometimes like on, you know, on our Saturday nights, we stay up, we play cards and whatever. We ended up staying up really late one night and we're about to go to bed. I look over and he's over on Snapchat, texting on Snapchat. So I did. Right then and there, I called him out. I said, who are you possibly talking to at 2 a.m.?
He said, on Snapchat. So he, and this I felt was a lie as well, but he's doubling down. He said his friend wanted to see a picture of the dog who was right on the bed with him.
His friend's a girl.
No, his friend, his friend's a girl. So I didn't.
Did you verify who this is? Do you know who this is?
I do know who this is. Met him once. I hardly know his friends.
But do you know that he really was talking?
He he showed me like a couple of days later because this one I was pressing on a little bit. He showed me a couple of days later. He was like, look, see, and then it says. Like it was like the times didn't match up. So I knew it was not true.
That's good. Yeah. I mean, she may never want to talk to you again. I doubt it, but it's possible. But if that's the case, you will feel better having written that letter.
And the important thing is when you write it and you read it, do not try to be right here. You are not arguing your case or your POV. You are being there for your friend in need. There is a time and a place, not now, for you expressing your frustrations and setting certain boundaries. But again, be careful before you set them.
Ask yourself, like, you know, what is this relationship I have with this friend, you know? Maybe this friend in your life of 15 years, maybe she's not the friend you enjoy partying with the most. Maybe that's the hard truth of the situation, which is like, you know, she's not your go-to.
Maybe she's not the company you enjoy the most because, like, quite honestly, the friends you've met in college are... or are more like-minded as you and you have more in common and they're more fun to be around.
But again, you can't say, you can't value a friendship of 15 years and then act inconvenienced by that friend when they're not, you know, aligned with you because a friendship of 15 years is more than just having fun together.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right. Was this helpful?
Well, thank you so much. I would love a follow up, whatever happens. But hopefully it will be good news. And just remember when you, when you send it, forget about it, be patient, send it without expectation. You are just sending us almost as a, I haven't been there for you.
You have your reasons, but like you're, you know, this is your attempt to be there for your friend because you have recognized this friend is in need and, and you have, haven't really seen that or acknowledged it from her POV.
Totally. Yeah.
I see that now.
All right. We'll take care. Keep us posted.
Thanks, Nick. All right. All right. All the best.
All right. I will.
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Okay, well, why does he have your ex's engagement ring? At least, what's his reason for it?
The right time? How long ago is this?
Doesn't he need the money?
Are you trying to get engaged?
Yeah. I mean, if you're thinking about getting engaged to this guy, it's kind of weird that he has an engagement ring from Magnetics. And his reason, to be clear, is that he hasn't gotten around to it?
How many times have you brought it up since?
And what does he say?
I first got engaged a long time ago. I was 28. And then shortly after we broke up, I definitely like, even after I found out she cheated on me, it took me a while to like process it. You know, I didn't sell it right away. Like three or four months. I hung on to it. I didn't really know why. Maybe there was like some false hope or whatever delusion, but like, Eventually I did.
And I definitely didn't like, I got, I took a loss for sure. Definitely didn't get my money back. Also, like I remember, I remember cause I went, I got it from a smaller jeweler and he was like, I can give you this price, which was less than what I paid for it.
He's like, or I can give you a full credit so that if you, you know, get engaged in the future, you could put that money towards something else, which I would imagine is,
especially you know since you brought up you want to get engaged this guy that's the part that makes it extra weird it's just like yeah i mean when you say like are you hoping he gets engaged are you hoping he asks you are you guys both as a couple talking about getting engaged or is this like a one-sided hopeful situation on your end and he has like no idea
Okay, well, he's not ready to get engaged then. That's clear. The fact that he has a failed engagement, it doesn't help your cause. You're only 24. So as much as you're like, I know, maybe frustrated, maybe you both shouldn't be getting engaged right now. That being said, I mean, listen, you have every right to be upset and frustrated about this engagement ring still being in his house.
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What does he do? He doesn't do it?
So he's hiding it?
What do you mean snooping?
So they never even got engaged?
Have you suggested to him directly or not even suggested, but stated, it's just like, I have no other explanation as to why you're hanging onto this other than you still have feelings or you haven't let go of that relationship.
And what's his response?
Again, it's been three years. He hasn't made the time. Does he play video games? No. What are his hobbies? Does he watch TV? What are things that he does when he's just fucking around?
Okay. So, but he does have time to have fun, correct? Yeah.
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He's not like working 90 hours a week.
Okay. Well then, so then he hasn't made the time. Have you pointed it out to him?
So, well, it sounds like he's incredibly stubborn.
What you should say is, hey, listen, I know I brought up getting engaged to you over and over and over, and I probably pestered you about it. I don't want us to get engaged until we are ready. And clearly, we are not ready because it doesn't seem like you're ready. So I want you to know that I've kind of mentally taken that off the table. I definitely still want to get engaged to you.
I still want us to have a future together. But like, We are not ready because you have to take that off. Right. Because I hope that's I hope you believe that. Right. Because you do not want to get engaged because you wore him down. You do not want him to propose to you out of resentment. You don't want you do not want him to get on one knee to shut you up.
Engagements can last a very long time. That's not an engagement. People who engaged and have three years engagements, minus the fact that maybe they're saving for a really extravagant wedding and yada, yada, yada, but most people who have three-year engagements is because they got engaged before they really should have.
And somewhere, I think in most of those cases, they got engaged because someone in the relationship decided they wanted to get engaged because either their friends were getting engaged or they said, well, we should be engaged now because we've been dating for three years. And so they just did it to shut them up, knowing that they could always get out of an engagement.
I'm hoping that's not what you want for yourself.
yeah you should be like listen like that's but again you've acknowledged that you've kind of pestered him about this and you've kind of brought him up so like again his timeline is changing because like he is just trying to shut you up essentially but you also have to empathize with him this is a man who like at a young age saved what i'm sure at the time felt like a lot of money
And then that didn't work out. And when that didn't work out, he probably really struggled with thinking, I can't believe this happened to me. And that traumatized him on some level. It affected him. I still think it's inappropriate he's hanging out in this ring. But in terms of getting engaged, I haven't heard any pushback from you about why.
All I've heard from you is you're ready to get engaged because you've been dating for three years. I mean, that's not a reason to get engaged.
I hear you. We've all been there. But that's not a reason to get married or have kids with someone because everyone else is or because 19-year-old you decided that you were going to have a family and three kids at 25. You being 19 wasn't that long ago. Time flies. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
and now you are you're judging yourself and you know it's for all the wrong reasons like that you're not making this decision together as a couple you have to give your boyfriend permission to like you have to create a safe space for him to be able to talk to you about these feelings right now i'm guessing it's more like why do you have this ring what do you have feelings for her blah blah blah it's just like you're not creating a safe space for him to you you know
It's supposed to have been like, that must have been really hard. You know, like, was that how did that affect you? I doubt you. He feels comfortable talking about how hard it was to break with his ex-girlfriend and because he doesn't want to hurt your feelings or, you know, he doesn't know what, you know, like he's afraid you're going to make it about you.
That's a good point.
So yeah, I mean, like, listen, you have every right to be frustrated and upset. It's inappropriate that he has this ring, but there is a reason. And I think if you want to think big picture about what you really want, I think maybe you need to reset expectations with your boyfriend about your guys' future. Take engagement off the table.
I think they're useless. You can set goals, right? Goals are fine. You can be intentional about your dating life and love life. You can always be intentional about working towards something, but you're not working towards anything with your boyfriend. You just, you on your own set a timeline for yourself and,
And then you are expecting him to meet your deadline that you set because 19-year-old you had a plan. And so from that perspective, yeah, it sounds a little nuts for him. This is not something you guys are doing together. You're not advancing your relationship because you continue to connect and bond and grow your relationship. It's just more like I'm ready to get engaged.
So when are you going to ask me? And you've already asked someone else. So like, why can't you ask me? You know, it's just like that is not that does not make a guy want to propose. It makes him resent you.
And just to be clear, because I know you're nodding your head like I'm accurately kind of describing your messaging to him.
I think it's safe to say he's not hanging onto this ring because he thinks he's going to get back together with her. I think you can let that go. I still think it's inappropriate that he has it. Yeah, but it did hurt him. It did affect him. And the fact that he can't go to you and talk about that is a problem in your relationship.
I think you gotta go back to the place where you used to have conversations. Yeah, you start by saying, listen, you acknowledge the role you've been playing in this disconnect. You say, hey, listen, I've been thinking a lot about our future and our relationship, and I just wanna apologize. I've been coming at this from really just thinking about my needs and what I want,
Okay. Why did they block you?
And that I don't want to get engaged to you because I've worn you down or I've pressured you like, yes, I'm excited to start a family. I'm excited to get engaged someday, but like, I want to take a step back because I don't think we're ready. And I, you know, listen, like it bothers me that this ring exists, but I realized that like maybe that situation affected you.
And if you ever want to talk about it, like, you know, Also, don't make a promise you can't keep. If you don't have the emotional bandwidth to talk about it without it triggering you and making it about you, then don't pretend that you do.
And again, you, you do have that right. And again, you, maybe your instincts are right. Maybe he's, you know, it's become so toxic in a way that like, it's not about, it's, it's not about not selling the ring. It's, it's about like him being defiant because you're, you know, you're pressuring him. You're not trying to make a mutual decision. You're trying to get your way.
And that's how it feels to him.
Do you, do you see his point of view?
Kind of. Listen, I think your intentions are good, so to speak, but your execution is poor.
But try to empathize more.
And also, just remind yourself, you do not want a proposal under these circumstances. You're not getting what you want. I hope you're not getting engaged so you can show a ring to your friends.
But to say, hey, listen, I don't care about anyone else, say that to him. He will feel much better when you say, I've realized I've let other people's, I still want to work towards something. I still want us to work on connecting and growing and move towards a relationship.
I would like us to be more intentional about an engagement, but I've realized I've been making our engagement about what I want and I'm sorry. It still bothers me this ring exists, but I don't want to pressure you. But I also, more importantly, want us to focus on what's best for us and make a decision together. But that does require him to also work with you. It's one of those things.
Yeah. What's your strong assumption?
Most guys don't want to go ring shopping with their potential fiancΓ© and have her pink out a ring. Most guys don't want to plan the engagement with their fiancΓ©. they want to surprise you, you know? But at the same time, like Natalie set me up for success. She, she described the type of ring she wanted. She told her friends about it.
So like, I didn't, it's like, I didn't go buy the, I didn't go pick out the ring, but I, I knew enough with enough lead time that, so when I decided to do it, like I could do it where it wasn't, she knew, she didn't know about it. She didn't know it was coming. Sure. She had a pretty good idea of a general timeline for sure. But, I still felt like I was surprising her.
But we were definitely on the same page. I knew when we were ready because we talked about it. I think she knew it was going to happen in the next six months type of thing. But right now, he is setting these false timelines, again, because he's trying to appease you. And then when that timeline comes up, he's like, wait, I'm not ready. Because again, it's not about you two.
It's about you trying to get your way and him trying to make you happy. You got a grimace on your face. What are you thinking? What are you feeling?
Why? I mean, why do you, you gotta let go of that control. Like it's again, it's just like, I don't think men dream about their wedding. Like women do for the most part, you know, but like, I think men still want to feel like they made the decision because they wanted to, and they want to, you know, like,
I don't know how romantic your boyfriend is, or I don't know what type of engagement he has planned, but I imagine he wants to do it, again, not because he was forced to do it. Do you know the circumstances in which him and his, you know, I can only say he got cheated on, but why did he buy that ring in the first place? Like, were they talking about engagement?
Yeah. So, you know, he's got, again, he's got some trauma and he's going to be extra cautious now. And you empathizing with that and saying, hey, I understand why you're, you know, because he does not feel like you're empathizing and understanding him. And yeah, that is causing him to be a little resistant and a little rebellious.
And you demanding some kind of time. From what I'm hearing, you two aren't ready to get engaged in a week or in six months. Now, that might change, but the way you're approaching it now, you've made it about an engagement. You haven't made it about you two being ready to get engaged. And so again, you need to take a step back. You need to reset the expectations between the two of you.
And then you kind of need to let it go. And you need to focus on your relationship. You need to focus on being happy with him and connecting. And when you do that, you shouldn't be doing it so that you can get engaged. If your whole goal is just to get him to get engaged, like that's, you know, again, engagement doesn't mean much. I'm living proof of that.
It's like, you can get engaged and it would not work out. And he knows that. He hasn't been engaged, but he's gone through the motions. And so your boyfriend, having gone through this, is very sensitive to talk.
and words and so again you focusing on you two connecting and being together and supporting each other and empathizing with each other and understanding each other not so that you can get what you want or get your way but just because you want to be an empathetic supporting partner you just got to change your goals right now and put the engagement in the back of your mind.
And I promise you, if you focus on being close with your boyfriend, you have a much better chance of getting what you want, especially getting what you want in the way in which you want it, which is you want your boyfriend to propose to you because he's in love with you and he wants to spend the rest of your life with you and not for any other reason.
I bet if you focus on being supportive and empathetic and a cheerleader for him, and again, you have the right to expect the same from him, you know, so that shouldn't be one sided. But if you make your boyfriend feel supported and love, I mean, I think that's the biggest mistake. I honestly, I think women make him, you know, like every sitcom that we grew up on, dumb husband, smart wife.
And we all laugh at jokes because the wife makes fun of the dumb husband and nitpicks and whatever. And yeah, I guess on some level it's fun, whatever. We all kind of laugh at it. And even sometimes I think men like to be teased. But men don't respond to being nagged or belittled or put down or told they're stupid or have their... rolling your eyes at them and things like that.
Men respond to feeling supported and loved just like you do. And the more you support him and make him feel loved and the more you acknowledge his feelings, the more he'll want to do the same for you. And if he doesn't after that, then maybe you'll realize that he's not your guy or something.
But you keep nodding your head and it sounds like you're recognizing there's things you could do for him that you're not doing.
Now it's just like... Yeah, you were like, yeah, I'm sorry that happened to you. All right, now I need you to love me. I guarantee you that's how it feels to him today.
Take it off the table. We are not ready to get engaged. I'm sorry I've made it about me getting my way. Like I've said before, like I just said, and I promise you it'll go a long way.
You're a long way away from that. You know what I'm saying? Why don't you just focus on doing this and then evaluate where you guys are in a year? And if you truly focus on being intentional with your relationship, connecting with your boyfriend, empathizing with each other, not pressuring each other. And again, you have the right to expect as much as you're willing to give.
And then all of a sudden a year goes by and you go, well, I haven't even thought about an engagement. I haven't brought it up. A year goes by and you're like, I feel really closer than ever, but you know, you guys have never talked about engagement. And then you bring it up and say, you know, I'm really excited about our future. And he's just like, yeah, I'm still like, you know, I don't know.
I don't see a future with you. Then yeah, you have a right to be frustrated, but like focus on the relationship, set the engagement off the table and then check in from time to time. But like you're doing yourself no good, but by asking, well, what do I do in eight years? You haven't even been an adult for eight years. That's what I would do.
Do we feel good about our plan?
But I think you should acknowledge what's been going on with them. Sit them down and say, Hey, it's almost like, I'm sorry for doing this. And I really don't want to do this. And I understand why I've made you feel the way you have. Yes. Again, I am excited at a future with you, but like, let's table us getting engaged for, I don't think we're ready.
And I think I played a role in that and I'm sorry, but I want us to be closer. I want us to understand each other. I want us to be able to come to each other when we're, you know, feeling anxious or upset, even if it's about something that might, you know, be sensitive because I want us to be our, each other's best friends.
You know, you can't say, oh, I want my partner to be my best friend and then make it difficult for them to bring up sensitive topics. You know, cause what do we do with our, you know, our best friends, the ones we go to, to talk about, you know, our insecurities and our feelings.
Sometimes we're with people who like, we don't want, you know, who don't feel, make us feel uncomfortable because like sometimes what he might be insecure about is like trauma from his past girlfriend, you know? And we don't want to, it's like, oh, well I can't bring up, you know, my trauma from my best girlfriend because she's going to be like, well, do you still have feelings for her?
What the fuck? And it's like, oh shit. I thought, you know, you're my best friend. All right.
All right. Well, keep us posted because we are excited for here and update.
All right. As far as this ring goes, let it go for a while. Let it go. What you really want to happen is to do what we've talked about. And then one day you found out he sold it, didn't tell you about it. I think he really just wants you to back off. I think that's pretty clear. I think he wants you to leave him alone about this topic and let him make the decision for himself.
And he wants to do it when he's ready. He doesn't want to sell it for you. He doesn't want to buy an engagement just because you want it. You know, he wants to sell his engagement when he's ready. Granted, he definitely should be ready. You have the right to be upset about that. And he wants to get an engagement for you because you two are ready to do it together. Agreed. All right. Good luck.
Keep us posted.
All right. Have a great day.
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How are you? Good. What's your name?
My name is Amanda. I'm 30 years old.
How can I help Amanda?
I just found out that my deceased father had an affair. I'm not quite sure how to move forward either.
Okay. How long ago did your father pass?
It was a couple months ago, maybe two or three now.
Thank you. Was it unexpected?
It was very much so. It was an accident. So it was a shock to all of our family. We did not have much time to process before he actually had passed.
What else is going on in her life that you're aware of?
And then how did you find out about the affair?
So we had put together a memorial page and I was the admin of the page, but basically just a place for people to leave stories, photos, things like that. And this was more recently. So we had maybe like two months to really process his passing and then had gotten this message through the site that was from this woman that he had allegedly had this affair with.
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And it was a pretty horrific email to read for anyone, I think, but especially being his daughter.
So this person, what, sent an email?
They had done a posting on the site. So they had basically said, I just found out about his passing. I really wanted to come on here and share my piece after all of the quote unquote, my dad is so amazing messages.
So yeah, you guys created this kind of website for people to express their love for your father. You shared this message with us. Do you mind if I just, I haven't read it. Do you mind if I...
No, feel free.
So this person wrote a message and said, hi, I just heard about blank's passing and I'm conflicted, but it's about time I had my piece, especially after all the blank was amazing. Blank was not an amazing as people thought. Let's just tell the truth about him. When I was a 19 year old teenager and his summer nanny, and he was 39 years old, he took advantage of me. We had an affair for seven years.
He strung me along, lied to me, and had basically a double life for seven years until I gave him an ultimatum and he told me I don't want to divorce blank because then I wouldn't see my kids every day and I already had an embarrassing divorce and I don't want a second divorce. So I left, she writes.
Last time I saw Blank was when he stopped by my parents' house after my dad died in 2005, and he wanted to possibly restart the affair. I was married at this point and had kids, and I was old enough to know that we don't cheat on your spouse. Of course, I see him in town when we are in town, which I would get an acknowledgement head bob
but mostly I would see him while he stared at me and my family and I'd pretend I didn't see him. I should have told him what he did to me was disgusting, but I never did. I wish I had. Yeah, he sure did like quote unquote bike riding. He would tell blank he was going for a bike ride and bike ride up the street to my parents' house and see me for hours.
Blank found out when she walked in the house, had she walked in five minutes before, he would have walked into a different scene. Yeah. Yeah. It's gross he did that. She blamed me, and who knows who told her, but a 19-year-old teenager, and he was a 39-year-old man. She should have blamed blank and not me. Why she stayed married to a man who had an affair for seven years.
I mean, is it more of the same after that? Or is there more details?
It is more of the same. The last line I found particularly difficult to read, essentially blaming karma for
It was a sudden, tragic death, and you have to wonder if karma had a hand. Well, this is, yeah, I'm very sorry you had to witness that. To be clear, because I didn't read the rest, she didn't accuse your father of anything other than taking advantage of her because she was 19?
That's my understanding, yes. From what I know, it sounds like it was a consensual relationship.
Gotcha. But she did point out that this went on for how many years?
What was her excuse when she was 24?
That's a good question. I've had similar thoughts.
Listen, I mean, let's not get into the weeds in terms of who was right and who was wrong. Clearly, she's hurt. She's upset. There's a strong chance that she is ashamed of what happened with your father. There is no doubt that your father was in a position of power at that time. And I'm sure she feels a certain way about that.
But there is also no doubt that it's much easier to blame your dad for whatever shame she feels about the situation. I don't know. I think a lot of 19-year-olds know it's not okay to cheat. Yeah.
I know. I knew that when I was 19. I know that now. Yeah.
I mean, everyone matures differently. I guess, how can I help you is my question.
I guess trying to help me understand how to move forward. I think I have, I guess, a couple of different minds about this. I have a lot of anger towards... this woman. And I don't know if that is misplaced almost. So I don't have to disrupt the view that I had of my dad. I of course had anger towards him when I found out as well, but I can't have those conversations with him.
Okay. And so when you called in, you're wondering if it's worth saving this relationship or reaching out. What do you think you should do? What do you want to do?
I can't get to the bottom of what, you know, may have been his side of, of this affair.
Have you talked to your mom?
Because I have all of, I have.
And what's her, what's her perspective?
She's pissed. She validated a lot of the things that were included in the note. She remembered the time of walking in. I think in her...
understanding of things after she had caught them that one time she thought things were over um so i think this came as a really big shock to her which of course is as devastating for someone who just lost their best friend and partner now you're finding out that they had had an extensive affair for much of the the relationship did you uh i mean what was your perception of your father before he passed
It was about as good as a father-daughter relationship could be. I know you just had a daughter yourself. I think everything that you wish for that relationship, the humor, the bond, the support, the connection, like I had the perfect view of my dad.
So definitely.
But specifically as a father, correct?
Specifically as a father. Okay. Yeah.
Okay. While you believed, I'm assuming still believe he was a great father, did you think he was a perfect person?
Um, maybe naively, I think I've definitely been challenged in my understanding of how nuanced people can be and believing that they can exist both perfect in one role and maybe not so perfect in another. So I guess maybe, maybe naively I did think that he was, um, for what I needed him to be perfect.
Yeah. And that's a tough lesson. You know, I think it's also shocking when we were just kind of realize that our, that our parents are human, you know? Yeah. What mistakes have you made in your life?
Well, I mean, without even sharing, are there some that you're reluctant to share?
All right. So there you go.
And I think that's what I've struggled with too, almost is that, The idea of this coming out now is difficult because it sort of sent us down a rabbit hole of digging up all this dirty laundry that I personally, I don't feel like I needed to know.
Was this message removed quickly? Like how public was this and for how long?
I was able to keep it not very public. So it was posted online. It was actually my parents' neighbor who had reached out to me to let me know that it was on the page. They had seen it posted. So I went in and removed it and I was able to see the visitor log and I could tell who had seen it and who hadn't. And it was just myself, this neighbor and the woman who posted it.
Okay. So that's a blessing. We're good there. Yeah. I'm good of like being gossip and the added shame of people finding out what you've already had to process about your father. We don't have to worry about that. This might obviously, obviously easier said than done from my point of view, but
What's your argument for not reaching out?
I don't know if there's anything for you to do other than maintain the cherished memories you have of your father, because he was a great father. You know he was a great father to you, and he never was a perfect person. There's no doubt that learning this about your father is hard to hear.
But remember that there are things and mistakes that you've made that you don't feel comfortable sharing with other people that if shared in the wrong context, someone might paint you as a terrible person. I'm sure you've done things that were self-centered and selfish and you prioritize your needs above others and at the consequence of maybe even hurting people. Maybe it wasn't your intent.
And it's probably, you know, again, we're not arguing whether your father was inappropriate. He cheated on his wife. He had kids. You know, it wasn't appropriate for him to put himself in a position of power with this 19 year old. I think you got to forgive her, too. What's it going to do?
She has the right to feel the way she feels. And your dad obviously hurt her. And by hurting her, it might just, maybe he broke her heart. Maybe, yeah. And like, listen, your dad did play a role. Your dad, you know, as a 39-year-old man who was going through some kind of midlife, whatever the fuck, right, and did this thing with her, she does feel a sense of guilt and shame about it.
And she has a right to blame your father. She may not be doing enough to hold herself accountable. But if this is something that is really hurting her, which clearly it is, you know, it's more difficult for us to acknowledge the role we played and the pain that we caused ourself. But that's her journey.
It's just like all I'm saying is like, you have every right to be upset with her and angry at her and things like that. But like, it doesn't stop you from at least trying to empathize with why she feels the way she does, you know, not to justify it. But again, I think people really struggle differentiating the difference between
the reason why someone does something without trying to justify why they do it. There's a reason we do all these things. And it's important to understand the reasons. And we can understand people's reasons without justifying their actions.
I think that's where I've really struggled is I've struggled to rationalize why someone would hold onto these feelings for 30 years and then come out with it once he's not able to defend himself and doing it to... In my mind, I looked at it like she was trying to punish... the people reading it. And she was trying to wipe away the good memories and say, you guys don't know who this man was.
I know him better than all of you and sort of punish the people. Yeah.
I mean, she was being selfish without question, but her selfishness came from a place of pain and hurt. It's hard. And listen, I obviously that's not probably easy for you to acknowledge because you know, the person who did that was your dad. And, We all hurt people. Doesn't make it okay. But, you know, it doesn't stop your dad from being human.
If you think of it that way, I guess I understand what you're saying. I see it more from what I'm hearing from you is your friend, again, based off the information you're telling me is going through it. We all go through it at some times. Sometimes there are periods in our lives where we just, it feels like things are piling on, you know?
And it doesn't stop him from being a decent man overall. And he can still be every bit of the good father that he was. Definitely wasn't a great husband. That's, you know.
Yeah. And that's a hard one to rationalize, I think, as well.
How is your mom handling this? I mean, I'm curious about that. Like, how does your mom still see him as a husband?
I have asked her that question. She said she wasn't able to answer it. I think there were a lot of things in their relationship that I wasn't aware of, obviously. As a kid, I don't think you should be aware of all of the ins and outs of your parents' relationship, but she called him a failed man at some times of their relationship.
And she didn't really give much more context as to what that means. I can sort of infer there were probably things that they were dealing with behind the scenes. But what I knew of their relationship as an adult, the last 10, 15 years of my life, he was an incredible partner. He was there for her through really, really difficult times with her health.
Is your mom able to acknowledge that?
She is. I just think this complicates things. It's to find out that something that you thought was sort of a one-time mistake was actually seven years. It's a substantial... part of their marriage. Her perspective, I think she sort of put her head down, maybe like put blinders on a little bit and she prioritized the nuclear family and keeping us together and keeping us moving forward.
I think she maybe ignored some of the things that she might've sensed were going on and this really brought them to light and I think brought them to the rest of her family's attention, which I'm sure is embarrassing for her and extremely hurtful.
Yeah, for sure. Are you married? What's your relationship status?
I am. I'm married and I have a son.
What's your relationship like with your husband?
It's great. We have a really, really strong connection. He has been really supportive through all of this. I think he's one of the only people that I've had to talk to about it. Because it didn't get out publicly, this new information, I haven't really shared it with anyone beyond my mom and my husband. I have a therapist as well that I'm working with.
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't if I were you.
Especially if you have a therapist and you can talk to your mom or here if you need. Yeah. It's none of anyone else's business. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's a tough situation, but our parents are never perfect. Relationships and marriages are incredibly hard. Again, not justifying what your dad did, but
There's just no point in ruining your memory of your father, specifically the type of father he was to you. There's just no point in ruining that because what happened doesn't make your memory of him as a father any bit untrue. Your mom, obviously, is slightly a different story, you know, but, you know.
it sounds like which is the case and i think a lot of marriages your dad had some really good moments uh and of being a great partner and he had some really bad moments at the first person you know again i'm not trying to justify it but i i don't know i guess i think we again again we live in a time where we we're just so comfortable with demonizing people for
for especially when we feel wronged by them you know if we are hurt by someone they're a monster they're a narcissist they're a sociopath or all these things and it's like i don't know maybe they're just human maybe they have their own bullshit and their trauma it's also easier to blame others than look they look in the mirror so again i think there's a little bit of that what's going on with her do you think there would be any benefit in trying to get in touch with this woman no no
And then sometimes when we feel like things are piling on, it's easy to see ourselves as a victim of just life, of circumstance, et cetera, et cetera. We're also living in polarizing times. Things are tense. And so I see it as your friend is basically having a temper tantrum, you know, reaction to having hurt feelings. I don't see it as they're throwing the friendship away.
What's the reason?
I guess more so to try to understand. I think what's so difficult is not knowing that I'll never really know what happened or to what extent her posting was true. Obviously, speaking with her, I'll get more of the same side of the story. But I have found I've had a difficult time letting go. And I feel like I want to, I guess, understand her intentions with sharing that post.
I would be willing to bet she doesn't fully understand her intentions. I bet the passing of your father tragically affected her, triggered her, probably brought up a lot of feelings. Again, she clearly feels... It affected her. Your dad hurt her. I mean, that's, that's something we have to acknowledge, you know, and she's writing. This is clearly like an emotional reaction.
So the way it reads is like your dad's a monster. And do you deep down think that he is? No.
I mean, it's, it's like, it's a lot more believable to believe that your 39 year old dad at the time when he was 39, uh, Again, it doesn't make it okay what your dad did, but she might have pursued him a little bit, and then he pursued her. Maybe there were different times.
I'd be willing to bet there were times where he was like, no, and then she felt rejected and pursued him, and then vice versa, and she's conveniently forgetting all those times and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Again, your dad absolutely abused his position of power.
Uh, but at the same time, like she, she also was an adult and she has the right to feel hurt and, and, and she has the right to feel like your dad didn't, he wasn't there for her. And so, yeah, like what you talking to her, is this going to, you're not going to want to hear details, you know?
Um, I guess what I'm saying is I think you can accurately probably fill in most of the gaps of what this was. Did it say how it ended? I forget. Did it say?
She had said that she gave him an ultimatum and he said no.
There you go. So the relationship ended with him rejecting her. So, wouldn't shock me if she felt like she was in love with this man, which would make a lot of sense. That is, again, something your dad was responsible for, being in this position of power. She was younger. Your dad might have been her first love. I mean, to that end, emotionally definitely fucked her up.
He took advantage of her, for sure. He was absolutely wrong for doing that, you know? I don't think that makes him a monster. I think that makes him self-centered and...
you know weak your dad was weak in that moment all our parents have been weak before i've been a weak person before you know you've been a weak person before part of growing up and being an adult is kind of recognizing that our parents aren't god our parents aren't these perfect deities incapable of making mistakes they are all they're just flawed human beings that have their own unresolved trauma that they've carried into adulthood
Now, I mean, only now recently have we even understood what childhood trauma can do and things like that and kind of pass down family trauma or whatever it is and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But again, not making an excuse for your father, but just to humanize your father. And so her reaching out, yeah, I just don't think anything can be accomplished. You're not her friend.
You're not trying to have this person in your life. She can go get a therapist whenever she wants. She got this out. Thank God you caught it before it really got out. She needed to do this, you know? And so, yeah, the why she did it, you know, your father's passing like it did you triggered her and it affected her. And this is how she, you know, finally got her last bit of anger out.
It wouldn't shock me if years go by, she regrets writing that letter. You'll never know.
I have noticed I made his page private, more so because I didn't want to get any more postings. But I have noticed she has been coming back to the page every other day or so, or trying to access the page every other day.
How can you notice that? Just out of curiosity?
I have access to the back end because I'm the admin on the page. Gotcha. So anytime people try to access, I get notified.
This is an attempt to get your attention, not necessarily to push you away as I see it. I know it, I'm sure it doesn't feel that way, but you know, I kind of see it that way. Now, that being said, I don't think it's right. Yeah. I don't think it's right that your friend did that.
For now, I'd just leave it alone. Yeah. I don't know if any much good would come of you reaching out to ask her to stop.
Do you think removing the page altogether might be
Yeah. I mean, maybe just removing it. What good is it at this point?
It's not really. It has previous messages, but currently I'm the only person who's able to see them.
And those messages where a lot of people said a lot of nice things are all true too. I mean, everyone has a different truth about people. If I were to die tomorrow, I'm sure some people would just think I'm an absolute asshole. I don't know. Like in my heart, I know I'm not, you know, but.
yeah people have a right to feel about me however they want it's not really none of my business you know and again it's tough because obviously this is a hard truth to find out about your dad but i think you got to separate the man and the crime so to speak and the big takeaway is he was every bit the amazing father to you that you remember because he was the only part i think it gets a
He was that amazing father, but he did, in doing what he was doing and engaging in the affair, I think he was putting at risk his ability to be around me for my upbringing and his his relationship with me. That's the only part that I think is a little bit difficult with separating.
I mean, there are going to be moments in your life that you're, you know, being a parent does like I, my whole life is my daughter for sure. And my family, but like, you know, at some point I'm going to have to do things for me too. You know, it doesn't mean I'm going to be cheating on my wife, but I'm just saying like, I think that mental exercise you're doing right now is kind of useless.
You know, there's going to be a point in your life where you might feel a little guilt for choosing yourself over your child. And maybe you might reflect and think, I shouldn't have done that. You know, like, I don't know. It's easy to judge. It's, I think, but life is hard and complicated. And it didn't happen. There's that, too, you know.
And at the end of the day, your dad did choose his family. He didn't choose her. There are a lot of people who don't choose their families. If you're watching Orange County. Jen, you know, left her, broke up her family and got engaged to a criminal.
Could be worse.
Could be worse. It could be worse. But I, you know, I'm really sorry you have to deal with this. It sucks. But I just, I, yeah, I think you can choose not to see your dad much differently than you saw him before. I think you're just, as a new parent, as a married person who's embarking in the beginning stages of her life, I think it's a reminder maybe. Maybe this is a blessing.
If you want to look at a silver lining, and I'm a big believer in there's always a silver lining to be found, and maybe your dad would agree if you had a chance to talk with him. But good people do bad things all the time.
And I think when good people do bad things, there's some version of them kind of taking things for granted or getting caught up in the moment, not protecting what they really have and what's most important to them. So if nothing else, maybe this is, you know, you are 30 years old, early stages of your marriage. You have one child. Yeah. You know, you guys may or may not grow your family.
I think you have the right to be hurt that your friend handled her disappointment in the manner in which she did, you know, but it's, you know, sometimes when it comes to friendships, you know, we have to kind of ask ourselves, even when our feelings are hurt, am I in a better position to, to protect this relationship than the other person is in this moment.
Life is not going to get any easier. It's not going to get any easier to stay connected with your husband. And it's going to be, you and your husband's choice to prioritize your relationship and not take it for granted because at any moment, things can come up.
And maybe this is something for you and your husband to almost thank because this is a tough lesson that your dad had to teach you in a very difficult way, but it's a reminder of the importance of not taking things for granted.
I think that's a really great way of, I think, reframing all of this.
There is a lesson to be learned here. And maybe your last thing your dad did for you was teach you a really, really tough lesson, which, sir, caused you pain. But, you know, your dad had to pay the ultimate price. I mean, honestly. And I'm sure it hurts him, the memory you have of him.
But if nothing else, let this be a reminder to you and your husband of the importance of not taking what you have for granted. Because that is more than anything what your dad did. At his weakest moment, he took his life for granted. And by his life, I mean his family. You know, and she's angry. She's hurt, hurt people, hurt people. That last sentence, the karma of it all.
She's just, she's, she has on her own journey.
And like her going back to the page is like, again, that's her on some level looking for some kind of validation, you know?
Yeah, no, I think you're right. Well, thank you. This was helpful. I know maybe not the typical call, but I think talking to someone who's not connected to it, not so close to it, And it was helpful just to get some perspective and start the process of moving on and sort of letting it go.
Yeah. Yeah. Don't, yeah, move on, let it go. It would be easier for you to make this worse than it needs to be. And I'll let this affect you for a long time. And you can choose not to let that happen.
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I would like to get back to grieving the loss of my father and not trying to understand why. The ins and outs of the mistakes that he may have made in his life.
My dad wasn't perfect. This was a very tough way of finding that out. But I kind of knew that. It's a wake-up call for me and my husband. And honestly, just kind of thank your dad for the lesson.
All right. Take care.
Thank you so much.
All right. My pleasure. Anytime. Let us, I mean, I don't know if there's much of an update other than like maybe, you know, as time goes by, you'll have maybe a perspective. And if you have one, we'd love to hear it.
Yeah, I will. I hope no more updates.
Stop looking. Shut down the page.
Move on. And unless this girl knocks on your door, either literally or metaphorically, you know, you may need to ask her to stop. But I honestly think She'll just go away.
I think so. I think she will. All right. Take care.
Awesome. Thanks, Nick.
All right. Bye-bye.
I don't know what your life is like or what your mental health is like these days or what your state of mind is like these days or just how you feel like life is going for you, but you seem like you're
pretty optimistic about things, you know, you know, and so maybe you're in a slightly better, you know, maybe you're not dealing with, you know, family members having health concerns or, you know, worrying about your job and things like that and not agreeing with how she handled it. And I don't even know this person, you know, I don't know anything about her.
But what you're describing to me, it would be easy to understand that she has the ability, again, to feel sorry for herself, you know, and to see any situation as a victim. Right. And so you go on this trip with these friends. On some level, she probably always was a little maybe intimidated or frustrated with this friend group. Maybe she has a harder time making friends than you do.
I don't know. I'm just providing ideas.
Okay. So there you go. And so, yeah. And this is all kind of happening in a moment where she just felt like she felt left out. And this is how she's handling it. So if I were you, no, I wouldn't throw it away.
From your friend's point of view, her life probably feels intense and crazy. I think sometimes when people act a certain way, you can choose to empathize with her or you could not. That's your choice, right? I think now we live in a time where we're kind of told to first think of how things affect us. Your friend's doing that, right?
And so if you choose to do the same thing, yeah, if you dig your heels in the ground and if you focus on being right, you will probably not reach out. Yes, it would be very easy for you to make an argument of why your friend is wrong, why your friend's overreacting, why your friend is not seeing your side, why your friend's being unfair to you. These are all true statements.
You could easily focus on that. Or you could just say, this is my friend for 15 years. She's struggling right now. I love her. And even if we're not as close as we once were, because obviously we've been friends for 15 years, almost kind of like a sister or a brother who like sometimes you're just like, I don't even like you right now.
but your family and you want to be there for your family, you could choose to just empathize with her, put yourself in her situation and, you know, try to be there for her at, at a, at whatever level she is able to allow you to do that. And again, you know, maybe you give it a week or two when she blocked you in recently.
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I've been that long, you know?
Listen, I don't know. I mean, she may never forgive you. I don't know. But I think it's a little too early to go down that route. And if your friend decides to dig her heels into the ground and never let this go... she truly never wants to be your friend. At least you will know that you did everything you could. Cause right now you're still like, it's pretty easy.
Like, you know, the call started and I'm like, all right, tell me what you think your friend's going through. And you were pretty easily able to list off like, you know, why her life from her point of view seems a bit dark and dim. And then when we feel like the victims of the situation, it's easy for us to expect the people closest to us to step up.
Totally. Yeah. I,
She doesn't see mine. See, that's the thing. You're focused on being right. If you want to reach out to her to argue your POV, then I wouldn't reach out to her right now. If you wanna reach out to her to say, hey, I noticed that you blocked me. I've been trying to get ahold of you. I just want you to know that it seems like you're upset with me. I'm not entirely sure why, but either way,
I want to, you know, when you're ready, I want to reach out and I love you. And if I did something that hurts your feelings, I'm sorry. You know, like it's, that's what you should write. You know, you should not write a two page letter arguing your points of view. Like you wouldn't, you shouldn't start it by saying, I know you're going through a hard time, but.
You know, it shouldn't you shouldn't get into guesses as to why she's mad at you. You should just say it could be really short. Could be a card. I love you. I miss you. I'm here when you're ready to talk. I'll always be here when you're ready to talk. And I hope we can get through this because you mean a lot to me. That's all you really could have. That's that's honestly all you should write.
And I don't know, she may not reach out right away. She may not reach out for a month, you know, but whenever she figures her shit out, whenever her life feels a little less shitty, you know, whenever she picks up the, you know, the pieces, she's going to remember that letter of, I love you. I'm sorry. I miss you. And it's going to make it hurt, you know, especially if she is stubborn.
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If you want to get a stubborn person to be less stubborn, stop fighting with them. You know, stop trying to be right. Don't give them the ammunition to stick their heels in the ground.
And listen, when she does, if it ever gets to the point where you get together and you hang out, at some point you will have the right to say, listen, I understand where you're coming from, but, you know, because the reality is, you're going to have to find the words to at some point, yes, set a boundary or explain your side, which is...
Next time that your feelings are hurt, can you please talk to me? You are my closest friend, but you're not my only friend. That might sting a little bit. Is there a reason why you didn't? Just out of curiosity, why didn't you invite her? I mean, I don't really care the answer, but you didn't.
And what if she says to you, like, listen, like we've been friends for 15 years. Like I just, you know, I want to be included when you have fun. And I don't have a lot of girlfriends. And honestly, most of my friends I've met in my adult life have been through you. So I felt a little left out because like, you know, you're all I got. What would you say to that?
No, it does. Listen, you again, you know, but it's just a matter of like you're describing a friend in need. So do you want to?
be there for your friend or not, you know, like it's entirely up to you.
Yeah, I do. Yeah. You know, it's good points. Absolutely.
That's I guess my two cents. Yeah. This is definitely a, do you, do you want, do you want to be a writer? Do you want to be happy? You know, like, yeah, you know, adult friendships or twice on the show.
The adult friendships are not just about, you know, having fun with the girls and partying all the time. And, and just, you know, I think when we're younger in college, it's like, we don't want to be in, you know, it's just like, if, if we feel inconvenienced by other people's needs, then somehow like they're not being our friend. And again, you could do this and get your friend.
I don't, I'm not defending how she's handling this at all. Like, you know, she is wrong for how she's handling this, but you know, she is handling it this for a reason. Do you want to be there for your friend?
That's the delusion.
So in a way, um,
What are those values?
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He started a cult.
And then he walked away.
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Sometimes I see bakers talk about reverse creaming. What exactly does that mean and why does it make good cake?
The price of eggs is so ridiculously expensive. So we agree that this price is insane.
There are people out there who shouldn't even be allowed to have children. So many sick, disturbed individuals who don't deserve to have a child in their home.
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I believe with all my heart that this goes far beyond just case data.
Why don't you just say, isn't it wonderful that we're keeping criminals out of our country? Why can't you just say that?
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Why don't you just say, isn't it wonderful that we're keeping criminals out of our country?
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Yeah, I find it at the core disturbing you having Arrow even ask for whistleblowers to come forward to them, having Congress asking for whistleblowers to come under amnesty to come to them. Yeah, something's rotten with that.
Right. Like you don't also need exposure to a bunch of human beings with individual egos and identities. To be clear, there's kind of AI siphoning off of data and information to keep it compartmentalized without spying of human eyes, even within our intelligence agencies. if I'm understanding it.
Right, and you suspect that UAP, when that data is collected and brought in and ingested, that there is a whitewashing, or not whitewashing of it, there is a clarifying of that stuff to make sure the general people in the intelligence community don't see it.
Right. So I've heard this over and over and over, that there are these pipelines of communication, let's say, overseas to CENTCOM, but there's a squeezing point, there's a narrowing point where stuff doesn't get where it's intended to get. And that's been a problem operationally, especially when it comes to UAP stuff.
People have tried to track and follow what they've submitted, and it didn't get where it needed to. It's been siphoned off. To be clear, Immaculate Constellation is not an AI scrubbing program, just so our audience understands that.
We described what immaculate constellation is, but that is an element we suspect from the literature and knowledge of what is public that there is that capability to scrub instead of like airbrushing out UFOs from NASA or something.
I think the core of this for me is at one point Matt realized, holy shit, this is real. This is a problem. And people are being lied to. People that need to know the truth, that it's being siphoned off outside of control of what should be our representative government. And let me know if I'm saying anything that's wrong from your perspective.
But I think there's a point that he hits like you and I have hit. We're being fucking lied to and it's becoming dangerous. Your first sentence in the report that we fought to get on congressional record, we'll get into that. We fought for that together. This document is a result of a multi-year internal investigation into the subject of unidentified anomalous phenomena.
That first sentence in your report that we fought to get into congressional record for a reason. So basically your blood goes cold. You're like, oh fuck. And then you do a multi-year internal investigation. Explain that. It's your first sentence. What'd you do?
provided amnesty for whistleblowers if they did not want that they should not have written that into a law right they said they did and you started to go down that path and that's our kind of next step is you're seeking whistleblower protection okay so now you realize you got to do something and you feel compelled i think we understand why he feels compelled it's dangerous um you seek whistleblower protection officially is that the next step or what's the next step
The next step is to figure out how to even get to Congress.
You feel a sense of duty Congress needs to know. You know they've been lied to specifically. People tell you, yeah, this is an important piece to the puzzle. And you felt a sense of patriotic duty to do that. And so you took steps to that. You said, cool, they're going to give me whistleblower protections. I am a whistleblower. What happened? How did you do that? What were the steps?
That's the channel. No repercussion. That's what they said. We know all of those people as well. The assumption. There's not a SOP right now.
Officially.
Yep. You got balls like church bells, man. I mean, going in there and doing this uncharted territory, you're just trying to do the right thing. I can kind of feel it, you know, that that's a difficult thing. And you did it and you went in.
They're asking you to come forward and you do it.
Move on. Just the fear, right? The fear that you're trying to do the right thing. The sensitive topic. You know people are lying. Who do you trust? And all of a sudden, you do what they say. There's got to be fear there. Like, oh, shit. Should I have opened my mouth? Yeah.
Legit, getting organized.
Did you have to tell your bosses, hey, I'm under whistleblower protection, allegedly. I went in whistle blue. Did you have to tell your bosses at your normal job?
It's pre-planning, right? And that comes from a sense of worry, a sense of fear in a way. You have to protect yourself. State Department's a good place. You're already thinking ahead. You're not doing pre-pub so you can write a book or be in a movie. You're doing pre-pub to protect your ass.
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Anything really striking in the rest of that document that really highlighted to you anything else in that document is really striking.
And, you know, to be fair, you're kind of navigating all of this stuff. You're seeking advice from people trying to figure out, you know, what do I do? And you're a smart guy and you look at the world and you start reaching out to a couple people or they're being introduced to you like myself. And you're kind of feeling it out, too. Like, you know, what is the best path forward here?
Yeah, that's...
You're like, fuck this. I'm writing it all down. Writing it down. I'm going to make it really your problem.
I mean, they're asking for you to come in. They're asking for this. And you're having to kick open doors right now.
Right. Yeah. No pushback at all.
Right. But they weren't stopping you. And, you know, a lot of people hear about DOPSR and that kind of thing. And this is a very interesting way to go about it. You get pre-pubbed through State Department, which later Sean Kirkpatrick, when it became public, made some disparaging comments about what gets passed through when it comes to going through State Department. Doesn't matter.
Basically, it's a process for you to cover your ass and inform everybody and say, I'm not messing around. Here we go. And you get you get it all written out. You get approved in one sentence, you know, email back that we've seen and and you don't have high level of confidence. Right. Of like, well, what does that mean? Can I move forward? So there you are. What happens next?
What is it like to have absolute knowledge that not only UFOs are real, that we've been hiding that, that our government has controlled that information away from the base human population?
Well, hovering probably matching speed, though, too, with the ship. Like USS Russell, other people argue, and I don't care what shape it is, when you have something with range finders off of a ship that goes with it, stops with the ship, continues. So this is not a new thing, this idea of triangular by angle of observation pyramid in shape, some would say. Could be. Right. So that's striking.
And you saw that, too.
Sometimes we know where it's going to be, tasked assets. Sometimes we just happen to capture them, untasked assets.
OK, so you've seen now you've had this exposure. You try to do the right thing and you take great risks.
steps to try to do it takes a little while for you it does so so explain that to me what you tried to do so there you go you see something that you know shouldn't be there on that archive you know what happens what do you do absolutely nothing um in fact the first time i read that i don't know what i just read and if it's even real um maybe somebody just made this thing okay explain that so you can it would be like a joke or something or they put it together literally for a war game right um they had
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You tried to report it. You read it a bunch, as it's fascinating, and then you try to report it. So what does that look like when you try to report that? What'd you do?
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Right, exactly. You're showing the material.
Except immediately you went and checked again for the file.
Let me add to that something that we noticed, and I believe it's true reporting, which is that when David Gresh testified, Immaculate Constellation, before the world ever knew those words, was searched on Google a ton more.
additionally over the research and time and sources that we have um you know it has been confirmed to us under no uncertain terms that that was the name of a program with that nature so if we're looking at it as like a lark larp kind of thing we get to the point where there's too many outside confirmation after the fact as well as that yeah if that had been the only thing i've seen in
That's the core of why we're talking today. Yes. What do you mean?
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Grown adults that can't control their bladder. Hey, I gas the car up and I go till it's on E. That's when I pee, if I have to fill up gas.
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And, of course, you deserve the right to. Like, yeah, you're top dog, but you're sitting right next to me. It's not like you're in the back of the Chrysler. You were right next to me. Right, right next.
CJ's the worst.
Oh, my God. His whole life. But he waited until his literal last couple of weeks. So sorry. It's okay. A bit too soon to expose that to you.
Oh, my God.
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Life's been hectic, trying to gather sleep here and there as much as we can. So we had someone come clean the house. She cleaned it for five hours. Beautiful job. It was amazing. Don't remember your name, so sorry about that. But while she was cleaning, we have this device that sterilizes, washes, and dries the baby bottles. And you have to fill it. I shit you not, with like half a gallon of water.
And it uses that the whole time to wash it. And you have to put something else that catches the water. For whatever sick, twisted reason, this woman unplugs the valve to that device.
So to the naked eye, nothing's changed. I go in there, do a whole thing, fill it up with this water. I hit go. I go sit down with my wife on the couch. We're playing with our son. We get him to sleep. I go, ooh, perfect time. I can go to my office. When I say I am in shorts, shirt, and socks, I walk through my kitchen. I thought I was in the Nile.
she flooded, and yes, this is her fault, she flooded my entire kitchen.
And it made me realize, the point of this is how much I hate stepping on something wet in socks. That is a honest-to-God, maybe top four worst thing that can happen to me on a day-to-day basis.
They definitely give you a wait time.
How is this being done? You pull out a no pack. You're like, well, if that table got here, no, that's drugs. Yeah.
There's not a scout team that's in the windows. They're like, he just got his fourth entree. He's about ready. He's got about six minutes. Last bite. He's going to swig it down.
What if every waiter and waitress was undercover, though? What if the hostess was really the most important person? Hostess have to have good communication skills. Those people have to have a strong backbone, too, because you always get the people like... An hour, really? Yeah. And it's like a 17-year-old, and she's just like, yeah.
You know how they always come by chirping and shit, and it always looks like a little high school drama, and, oh, did you see Jesse? And they just go back.
That is fantastic. Give me some love. Thank you. That's fantastic.
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They all said, you said that.
Yeah.
Come on, it's an easy one. I really hope that it is as it should be, and I'm going to go with Amazon.
Oh, my God. And the fact that we don't have a binder, like a chicken, a wing, nothing. Oh, my God. For this to be four out of ten, those are going to kill us.
Oh, my God.
This is the last dab with three Xs, as if I'm going to do this and I'm done for.
Oh, my God. It's thick. It's like a paste.
Show the camera. No, no, no.
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No, no, no, no. I have to do this. Oh, you have to do that one.
I have not. Not yet.
Where is it?
I'm starting to die down, man.
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I was so nervous. But then you gave it to me. You're a good man. You're a good Samaritan. All right.
Oh, that's good.
That's all the heat. All right, you ready? Yes. What the f*** are you doing?
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You're going to do that with all of them. There you go. That, I'll accept that from each one. That one, that one's very earthy. It's like hard to swallow because there's a lot of taste.
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I got you. It's in movies. I don't watch these movies.
No, come on, Bubba. I'll give you one more shot. Think of it. It's got a funny little name.
You got it. Tongue get. Get all that. Get all that. I highly recommend a slurp. Okay, talk to us.
So Peyton has officially eliminated his chances of experiencing the hottest one, but that one is still an ass-whooping sauce.
You asked me Justin Bieber's hit single, lead single. Who didn't know that? Me. I didn't know anything you asked me.
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You're going to have an outer body. Honestly, just for them, give it one more whiff. Get that central nervous system ready. Give it a little whiff of that spoon.
It's hard. It's like you need to not breathe.
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There you go. Yeah! Where's my spoon?
Threw the spoon away.
Exactly.
That's where you f***ed it up. What do you mean? When you turned all Sherlock Holmes, you had a Cash App to look up people.
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I just had like a second wind.
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And obviously, Oklahoma, three-hour drive, three-hour back, wherever we go. So my mom came with us. It was our first trip with Malachi. So my mom came with us. It led to a lot of conversation in the car. My mom drops this story on me, and my God, I immediately said, I'm saying that next week because that is unbelievable. What happened? She goes, there's a fly in the car, right? She goes, ah.
I go, get the fly out of the car. I roll down the window. She's like, I can't touch it. I can't touch the fly. I go, mom, it's a fly. Like, just whack it. She goes, I have scars on my body from bugs. And I go, okay, so you need to explain that right now. She goes, no, seriously, I can't touch it. I go, oh, to hell with the fly. He can buzz around. He can hear the story too.
You have scars on your bodies from bugs. She goes, yeah, I was a young girl. I was about 10 or 11 and we were with my dad at his job. And at the time he was driving trucks. So he was at his loading zone. I don't know if you've ever seen them. When they back those big-ass trucks up, there's like that big drop-off loading zone.
And they're just sitting there waiting on my dad. Life was crazy back then. Why do you have two kids just waiting on a loading zone? Yeah, it was different. Wicked life. Different. She says her brother simply kicked a dead cricket toward her. Dead cricket. Dead cricket. Already dead. Nothing that can bite you. Nothing. Kicks a dead cricket at her.
My grandpa, her dad, freaks out, picks her up, goes next door to the meat market and asks if they have an ice pack and stitching because her knee was shot clean open.