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Yeah, I mean, they were going in and out of the water. That's what the Hilo pilots have directly told me. That is what you're seeing on radar. That is what all accounts showed, that these were transmedium. Now, whose they are and all that, we're not talking about. We're just trying to tell the difference between what you're being told as fact, which isn't fact.

You know, the word drone is used, but that is not the point here. Now, FLIR footage, I think it's a matter of education in some way. You're talking about no... flight control systems. You don't have anything like wings, tail, rotors. And then you get into signatures and kind of signature intelligence. There's no heat plumes. There's no rotor wash.

You know, the word drone is used, but that is not the point here. Now, FLIR footage, I think it's a matter of education in some way. You're talking about no... flight control systems. You don't have anything like wings, tail, rotors. And then you get into signatures and kind of signature intelligence. There's no heat plumes. There's no rotor wash.

You know, the word drone is used, but that is not the point here. Now, FLIR footage, I think it's a matter of education in some way. You're talking about no... flight control systems. You don't have anything like wings, tail, rotors. And then you get into signatures and kind of signature intelligence. There's no heat plumes. There's no rotor wash.

So the shape you're seeing in the black and white footage, to put it clearly, and it's not just me saying it, it's experts that work with this footage. Even Commander Gutierrez said this in the episode, the shape you're seeing is the heat signature. What you're seeing there is what you get.

So the shape you're seeing in the black and white footage, to put it clearly, and it's not just me saying it, it's experts that work with this footage. Even Commander Gutierrez said this in the episode, the shape you're seeing is the heat signature. What you're seeing there is what you get.

So the shape you're seeing in the black and white footage, to put it clearly, and it's not just me saying it, it's experts that work with this footage. Even Commander Gutierrez said this in the episode, the shape you're seeing is the heat signature. What you're seeing there is what you get.

When you're looking at things that have traditional rotor propulsion, like we would think of as drones, although there's tons of different kinds of propulsion, you're going to get some exhaust and plume of heat. You see none of that, none of that. So when you see a black and white footage that is typically going to be FLIR,

When you're looking at things that have traditional rotor propulsion, like we would think of as drones, although there's tons of different kinds of propulsion, you're going to get some exhaust and plume of heat. You see none of that, none of that. So when you see a black and white footage that is typically going to be FLIR,

When you're looking at things that have traditional rotor propulsion, like we would think of as drones, although there's tons of different kinds of propulsion, you're going to get some exhaust and plume of heat. You see none of that, none of that. So when you see a black and white footage that is typically going to be FLIR,

And when you have a lack of signatures for heat, then you know that that is most likely some sort of propulsion system that is different than something you'd see with rotor or jets. I suspect we're going to see evidence of other swarm events from Navy ships with footage in the very near future that have similar signature or absence of signature in the black and white FLIR or thermal footage.

And when you have a lack of signatures for heat, then you know that that is most likely some sort of propulsion system that is different than something you'd see with rotor or jets. I suspect we're going to see evidence of other swarm events from Navy ships with footage in the very near future that have similar signature or absence of signature in the black and white FLIR or thermal footage.

And when you have a lack of signatures for heat, then you know that that is most likely some sort of propulsion system that is different than something you'd see with rotor or jets. I suspect we're going to see evidence of other swarm events from Navy ships with footage in the very near future that have similar signature or absence of signature in the black and white FLIR or thermal footage.

Like, not only do I suspect that, I know that because we're going there, George, and soon.

Like, not only do I suspect that, I know that because we're going there, George, and soon.

Like, not only do I suspect that, I know that because we're going there, George, and soon.

Yeah, look, I don't care if it's the shape of Mickey Mouse. I don't even want to get into that right now. But yeah, absolutely. There were solid objects that were off the aft of the tail of the ship. They were used by, you know, I think it was range finders to other 700 feet off. There were two in particular. That was an element of the footage we put out, but it was a different version.

Yeah, look, I don't care if it's the shape of Mickey Mouse. I don't even want to get into that right now. But yeah, absolutely. There were solid objects that were off the aft of the tail of the ship. They were used by, you know, I think it was range finders to other 700 feet off. There were two in particular. That was an element of the footage we put out, but it was a different version.

Yeah, look, I don't care if it's the shape of Mickey Mouse. I don't even want to get into that right now. But yeah, absolutely. There were solid objects that were off the aft of the tail of the ship. They were used by, you know, I think it was range finders to other 700 feet off. There were two in particular. That was an element of the footage we put out, but it was a different version.

Again, people argue about things as if you're just seeing stars, but on all other sensors in the official documents, I mean, you know, they tell you these were units. That's why people went out onto the deck. And people dismiss the, what I call the deck footage that we obtained and released where you just see lights, but that off USS Russell.