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This is a crime of violence, a crime of passion, a crime of control. It gives you chills even today.

We need to find those cases, and we need to get them submitted and work. And that means answers, finally, for thousands of families. Sure. Absolutely.

I mean, it's fantastic to hear the screams of joy and how much they enjoy it.

I mean, it's fantastic to hear the screams of joy and how much they enjoy it.

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It's a larger criminal investigation into a network, and a lot of the people we're interested in were located in that area. No for a fact there were several sexual predators involved. I mean, child predators that were arrested for sexual misconduct with a child. There were several of them. I know there's one that was convicted of either homicide or murder.

Many of the homeless are just people that are victims of unaffordable housing. He's saying we're building these multi-million dollar mansions while people are going without. And I think that was a lot of his motivation. He wanted to bring attention to what was happening. If he was here, he would tell you that.

These people are encroaching upon this preserve. I think he would almost consider it holy ground.

Repentance would probably be the best word. He realized that there was a better way to do it than he did. And he regretted what he had done to those folks. And he started doing what was right when he came out.

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He never suspected that I was anything other than a close confidant of him and probably the only friend that he really had in the world at that time.

Before Barney Clark's historic operation, he was dying of congestive heart failure.

It just hit me that I had really betrayed him.

Hey, kiddo. Checking in. New day, new developments.

Still in the hospital room, waiting for people to come and go. Love you so much. Bye-bye.

What are we thinking here?

I watched the 2020 special on him, and they didn't even mention any of this.

Yeah, but I don't know if they want me to say their names.

You regret not saying something?

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You regret not saying something?

I was shocked when you told me he was dead.

I would just love to have asked him some of the questions that we're talking about.

I really despise Mark Sands. I think he's an evil person.

I was working international terrorism.

And I was ultimately taken off that case in 2000 to work the series of arsons that were taking place in the Phoenix metro area.

Because he took the FBI's attention off of other guys that did something more horrible.

I get back on it. I get the informant to reengage, and we start watching these guys. And, you know, the rest is history.

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We just got a report in that there's been some sort of explosion at the World Trade Center in New York City.

There is more and more fire and smoke enveloping the very top of the building.

And as I'm sitting there watching it, I go, there comes another one.

This is al-Qaeda doing this, and I kept thinking of my memo, and I'm going, oh my God, I've got to round up some agents and get them up to Prescott to go look for those students that I wrote about. All the way up there, I'm thinking, please don't let one of these guys be on these airplanes.

When I was looking at Mark Sands, looking at the Phoenix Mountain Preserve arson case, nobody looked at him for a little over a year.

Sick to my stomach. Thousands of people have died. That one day. I mean, think about what 9-11 resulted in. The country goes to war in two fronts, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thousands of innocent civilians killed, soldiers killed, wounded, maimed for life. I'm always going to have questions in my head about what could have happened had we stayed on the two al-Qaeda guys in Prescott.

There was a lot of manpower and money spent on this case. I mean, a lot.

I've asked that question myself. That's a great question. That probably should have been evaluated, but it wasn't. Those people that made those decisions have to live with it. I'd lose sleep on it. I really do. I'll take that one to my grave. I just don't know what we might have been able to prevent.

I think that's a charade. I think he's a manipulator. I think he was bored. I think he is a narcissistic person.

But not everyone agrees. He was an environmentalist who wasn't happy about building encroaching on the preserve.

I still think that the man's got evil in him.

So why Mark Sands?

Did he? Yeah.

Are you serious?

Mark had a way where he would sit down with people. He would hear their story. He would connect with them. And then he would say, can I pray for you?

For some of these people, giving them a bottle of water is the difference between life and death in the middle of summertime. And Mark recognized that.

So Cameron told Laurent that he saw all the collateral and the collateral basically didn't exist.

How so?

Like what was happening right around that time?

So George told one of our producers a story about people showing up at your house and trying to threaten you over money. Did that ever happen? No. It didn't get that bad ever? So you didn't... No. Who would... No.

Blinsky should come to the table because this economic partnership is an important thing for the future of his country. And we hope that he will very soon.

I don't know who Rosa is and what her hyperbole is all about. Ultimately, we want lawyers who give sound constitutional advice and don't exist to attempt to be roadblocks to anything that happens in their spots.

What we know about these TJAGs, they're called TJAGs inside the military, traditionally they've been elected by each other or chosen by each other, which is exactly how it works often with the chairman as well. Small group of insulated officers who perpetuate the status quo. Well, guess what? Status quo hasn't worked very well at the Pentagon. It's time for fresh blood.

Fair to say it's a very complicated situation.

Something made him angry.

But I think the discipline in our faith is that