Unnamed Speaker

Like, like what in your life was like, this is something I got to put the work in necessary to write a book about.

I was really intrigued by the research in the book around where retirement came from and how new of a concept this actually is. The first retirement fund started, I think in your book you say 1883 with American Express or something like that. That's 140 years ago, 150 years ago. That's not that long ago that retirement wasn't even a concept, wasn't even something that we thought about.

I was really intrigued by the research in the book around where retirement came from and how new of a concept this actually is. The first retirement fund started, I think in your book you say 1883 with American Express or something like that. That's 140 years ago, 150 years ago. That's not that long ago that retirement wasn't even a concept, wasn't even something that we thought about.

And now all of a sudden it's like this goal that we're shooting for. One of the things that I think is interesting is I have never even contemplated the idea of retiring. I honestly can't even imagine a day where I'm not doing something that is work, right? It might not be the work I'm doing today. It might be something different.

And now all of a sudden it's like this goal that we're shooting for. One of the things that I think is interesting is I have never even contemplated the idea of retiring. I honestly can't even imagine a day where I'm not doing something that is work, right? It might not be the work I'm doing today. It might be something different.

But the idea of just like one day turning the computer off and grabbing my mug and my pictures off my desk and like walking out the door and never coming back and just – I can't even imagine what that life would look like. But I think also today, and this is why I think this is so intriguing, is we've been in a very inflationary state the last five plus years.

But the idea of just like one day turning the computer off and grabbing my mug and my pictures off my desk and like walking out the door and never coming back and just – I can't even imagine what that life would look like. But I think also today, and this is why I think this is so intriguing, is we've been in a very inflationary state the last five plus years.

The idea, too, that you're going to be able to get to a retirement age and know- What what that looks like, like what you actually need and that you're like, how do you even plan for that because of how crazy inflation has been? It used to be like, what, three, four percent. And, you know, there was some calculation.

The idea, too, that you're going to be able to get to a retirement age and know- What what that looks like, like what you actually need and that you're like, how do you even plan for that because of how crazy inflation has been? It used to be like, what, three, four percent. And, you know, there was some calculation.

But, you know, when you're looking at years of 12, 15 percent inflation, I mean, that has to mess everything up.

But, you know, when you're looking at years of 12, 15 percent inflation, I mean, that has to mess everything up.

So the one thing that I do for myself is I have a country club membership. I like golf. It's almost like, I'm not a big meditator. I've just never, I can't sit still for that long. And I just don't, I mean, I get the value of it. I've done it and I, and I feel better afterwards, but it's just, I found that I'm just not, I'm just not going to slow down and do it. However,

So the one thing that I do for myself is I have a country club membership. I like golf. It's almost like, I'm not a big meditator. I've just never, I can't sit still for that long. And I just don't, I mean, I get the value of it. I've done it and I, and I feel better afterwards, but it's just, I found that I'm just not, I'm just not going to slow down and do it. However,

going out and hitting a bucket of balls for 45 minutes and just that motion over and over again, I come away with a very similar feeling. I'm a little active and it really works for me and whatever. But there's this part of me that is like, Like, dude, do you deserve, do you deserve to do that?

going out and hitting a bucket of balls for 45 minutes and just that motion over and over again, I come away with a very similar feeling. I'm a little active and it really works for me and whatever. But there's this part of me that is like, Like, dude, do you deserve, do you deserve to do that?

And I think one of the, what you're really addressing is how to, how to find harmony in our life today and enjoying how we, you know, what we have in front of us today, as well as setting ourselves up and finding that. So like when you, when you're talking to someone about this concept, How do you start that conversation with them?

And I think one of the, what you're really addressing is how to, how to find harmony in our life today and enjoying how we, you know, what we have in front of us today, as well as setting ourselves up and finding that. So like when you, when you're talking to someone about this concept, How do you start that conversation with them?

Because there's there's a lot of people, I think, that have my mindset, which is like, you know, that's something I'll I don't deserve that until I've made it or I don't deserve that until I hit a certain age or I don't deserve that until my kids hit a certain age or whatever. And we kind of we kind of push our life out into the this future, as you said, that we have almost no ability to predict.

Because there's there's a lot of people, I think, that have my mindset, which is like, you know, that's something I'll I don't deserve that until I've made it or I don't deserve that until I hit a certain age or I don't deserve that until my kids hit a certain age or whatever. And we kind of we kind of push our life out into the this future, as you said, that we have almost no ability to predict.

It's so funny, dude, because when you're in your twenties and thirties, like, and probably your 30s is where you start to learn the lesson if you learn it, is like you're just go, go, go 24-7. And I do think there's seasons in your life where you need to press, right? You need to press beyond what most people are doing. However, what I've found is that once you – and I think some of that is –