Unnamed Speaker

So I take this at-home testosterone test through one of the companies that actually Huberman recommends. And I find my testosterone is in the seventh percentile of men. The seventh. Basically, I'm at zero. And... And... Like, so I call my doctor and I'm like, you know, at this point I'm 43. I'm like, I'm 43 years old, like pretty fit guy. Like, I'm not like, what the, what is going on?

And so we started talking and basically she explains that like, and this is to your point about retirement. Like, she's like, when your body feels like you're done contributing, like, it essentially just starts shutting down. Like, it's just like, okay, you're done contributing. You know what I mean? Like you've hit your usefulness to society, like start shutting down.

And so we started talking and basically she explains that like, and this is to your point about retirement. Like, she's like, when your body feels like you're done contributing, like, it essentially just starts shutting down. Like, it's just like, okay, you're done contributing. You know what I mean? Like you've hit your usefulness to society, like start shutting down.

And it like, now, you know, I took some, I took, you know, some meds or whatever. I got myself back in track and now I'm fine. But like, it was wild that in this moment where like, I felt no purpose, no meaning, felt rudderless, didn't have energy that my body was just like, he must be done. You know, we'll just stop doing the things that makes you like a man. It makes you, you know, in this case.

And it like, now, you know, I took some, I took, you know, some meds or whatever. I got myself back in track and now I'm fine. But like, it was wild that in this moment where like, I felt no purpose, no meaning, felt rudderless, didn't have energy that my body was just like, he must be done. You know, we'll just stop doing the things that makes you like a man. It makes you, you know, in this case.

And I honestly believe, and this is another reason why I would never retire is like, I do honestly believe that your body is listening to you. And as long as you have purpose, have meaning, have a reason to keep showing up, keep getting up in the morning that drives you, your body will do absolutely everything it can to make sure that you continue to show up.

And I honestly believe, and this is another reason why I would never retire is like, I do honestly believe that your body is listening to you. And as long as you have purpose, have meaning, have a reason to keep showing up, keep getting up in the morning that drives you, your body will do absolutely everything it can to make sure that you continue to show up.

But the moment you like downshift into, hey, I'm just going to coast, your body's like, we don't really need to keep going. We're good. And I have zero evidence beyond – actually, most of the figures in your book are probably right there.

But the moment you like downshift into, hey, I'm just going to coast, your body's like, we don't really need to keep going. We're good. And I have zero evidence beyond – actually, most of the figures in your book are probably right there.

But I believe that's a real thing, and I think we have to be very cognizant of that, that we don't expect, hey, I'm going to hit 62 and live for another 20 years in bliss not working and being able to do all these things I want. Because as you say in your book, the year that – when the retirement age was set at 62, the lifespan of a male was only seven more years. That's it.

But I believe that's a real thing, and I think we have to be very cognizant of that, that we don't expect, hey, I'm going to hit 62 and live for another 20 years in bliss not working and being able to do all these things I want. Because as you say in your book, the year that – when the retirement age was set at 62, the lifespan of a male was only seven more years. That's it.

You had seven years post-retirement. It was the average life expectancy.

You had seven years post-retirement. It was the average life expectancy.

How do we start to really position this tactically? If I'm sitting here and I'm going, I'm either that hand-wringing grinder that can't stop, or I do have this false sense of this utopian life that I'm going to live when I hit a number. What are some of the very first tactical things, even if it's just self-awareness or an exercise or something that I can do to start to go, what do I really want?

How do we start to really position this tactically? If I'm sitting here and I'm going, I'm either that hand-wringing grinder that can't stop, or I do have this false sense of this utopian life that I'm going to live when I hit a number. What are some of the very first tactical things, even if it's just self-awareness or an exercise or something that I can do to start to go, what do I really want?

Even when you sit down, how do I determine... what is it that I really want to do? Do I really want to retire? Like, how do I work through that mentally to start making these decisions? Yeah.

Even when you sit down, how do I determine... what is it that I really want to do? Do I really want to retire? Like, how do I work through that mentally to start making these decisions? Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. I really like where you started, too, about... Spend some time and get your mind right before you make these long-term decisions. I think that's a really important point. I had a young guy listening to the show randomly text me the other day. I don't even know how he got my phone number, but not that I cared. And he's like, man, I'm struggling. I've been procrastinating.

Yeah, I agree. I really like where you started, too, about... Spend some time and get your mind right before you make these long-term decisions. I think that's a really important point. I had a young guy listening to the show randomly text me the other day. I don't even know how he got my phone number, but not that I cared. And he's like, man, I'm struggling. I've been procrastinating.

I'm ruminating on all these dark ideas, and I'm not sure what I want to do with my life, whatever. And he's like in his mid-20s, and part of me was like, bro, you're a baby. Like, just keep going. Like, you got a long way before you have to worry about some of these things. Like, just keep going. I didn't go that route. He was in a place where I wanted to be very positive.