Van Lathan

The ungenerous version is that they've just backed themselves into a corner, and there's, like, no way to do anything interesting anymore at the scale that they have to do it for financial reasons.

So what do you—

I mean, this is the essential tension or conflict of fan culture, right?

Which is like, do you actually want to get what you want?

Is fan service actually fan service?

And I think there are many people who watch it and who get...

you know, new movies and new iterations and the Easter eggs and everything and receive it as, like, that actually is why I'm going to the movies.

And then I think there is a different type of people who watch movies in a very different way who understand fan service to just kind of be spooning things out to you to try to... Are those people in the room with us right now?

Are those people in the room with us to try to get your money?

But that's always the risk, right?

Yeah.

I mean, that's the... Yeah, you know, it's just...

This was my pitch, which is if you had called it Thriller instead of Michael.

And you took the Springsteen approach, but to this material.

And then, you know, and the problem with Michael, the problem with Springsteen is that if you want the music and the like artistry that inspires everything else, there are a bunch of people who own all the rights to that.

And they have to you don't get to do it artistically if all of these other lawyers are involved.

then... I agree with you.

Make good things.

Right.

Like A+.