Van Lathan

Those are both like TV.

Where it's like with Star Wars, I think the thing that's always been hard is because not only is it a cinematic choice, these are like, if you ask people like 10 most important movies ever, Star Wars is going to be there.

I think the bar creatively is just so high when you add something new to it.

It's just going to be a different, it's going to be kind of like a different challenge.

You are speaking to the top 1%.

of the fan base and that's when i think star wars is at its worst when it is trying to make like the most rabid fans happy because i'm like they're never going to be happy like to me star wars is at its best when it's like okay we are trying to make a story that anyone can enjoy and when you get to like the 10th time darth maul resurrects it's the same mcu problem it's like once you start telling too much and revealing too much people are like this is homework

And Star Wars, at this point, feels like homework.

It doesn't feel like enjoyment.

No, no, no, no, no.

Well, that is a perfect pivot.

Cause if we're talking about things that might be dead, just kidding.

Yo, I got to go to the bathroom.

And Project Hail Mary pulled it off.

There you go.

Where it's like, I did not like the hokey parts of that movie, but it is connecting with...

You got a lot.

I don't, when I watched, but I also think the difference is Luke Skywalker is Mark Hamill.

Batman is Batman.

Like, and that's what I think is harder with those, because those characters, we saw them on screen first.

We were like, no, Harrison Ford is Han Solo.