Van Lathan

The original Coop.

Coop from the old days, that part of it, and his dilemma over completing that mission, over the subterfuge that he has to engage in,

in his own family.

That's been some of my favorite stuff in the season.

Have you liked how heavily that has played into the plot of what it is that we have going on?

I think it's a smart narrative thing to do just because of the fact that this world can be so overwhelming and also so much of a drag.

It's only so much you can watch people eat.

soup with fleas in it.

You do want to, like, you want some comfort, and the past gives you, the flashbacks give you comfort, but it's also just a really curious thing to watch on screen.

All of the retrofuturism, that's always good.

Any sci-fi person loves retrofuturism, right?

You love it.

Star Wars is not retrofuturist, but

Maybe it is, but they're also in rural desert areas where they're riding around on horseback and stuff like that, but at the same time, they've got laser guns and hovercrafts and all that stuff.

It's not retrofuturist, but it's a mix of technologies.

It's like a land where...

they took all of that stuff and they didn't really use it to make like TikTok, you know, they used it to make things that helped them travel in between galaxies.

You know what I mean?

So that stuff is always, it's, it's always compelling to watch, but then mixing that with the same old struggles of American political, socioeconomic capitalism, different factions, all of that.

I really have enjoyed that.