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Vanessa Richardson

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3826 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

This framework suggests that relationship factors, like emotional closeness and obligation, dramatically increase one's inclination to help another person. Generally, relationships don't get much closer than marriage, so it was probably a little bit of both that made George agree.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

This framework suggests that relationship factors, like emotional closeness and obligation, dramatically increase one's inclination to help another person. Generally, relationships don't get much closer than marriage, so it was probably a little bit of both that made George agree.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

Whatever the case, it seems Catherine was placated, and the two eventually stopped at Catherine's uncle's house in Coleman, Texas. There, they buried the ransom money behind a barn. The next day, Catherine went to a nearby town and bought a beat-up old car. She left it and George with her uncle while she took the caddy to Dallas to hire a lawyer for Ora.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

Whatever the case, it seems Catherine was placated, and the two eventually stopped at Catherine's uncle's house in Coleman, Texas. There, they buried the ransom money behind a barn. The next day, Catherine went to a nearby town and bought a beat-up old car. She left it and George with her uncle while she took the caddy to Dallas to hire a lawyer for Ora.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

When she returned a few days later, she was horrified to discover George was long gone. The FBI had rolled into town, intent on questioning her family in the area. When George heard the news, he split, leaving behind a one-word note that read, "'Mississippi.'" Catherine cursed her husband, calling him a damned fool.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

When she returned a few days later, she was horrified to discover George was long gone. The FBI had rolled into town, intent on questioning her family in the area. When George heard the news, he split, leaving behind a one-word note that read, "'Mississippi.'" Catherine cursed her husband, calling him a damned fool.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

She knew he had a friend in the city of Biloxi, so she drove day and night across two states, but there was no sign of him. By now, she blamed George entirely for their predicament, and it was starting to feel like every woman for herself. So later that month, she wrote a letter to the FBI agent overseeing Ora's trial in Oklahoma City.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

She knew he had a friend in the city of Biloxi, so she drove day and night across two states, but there was no sign of him. By now, she blamed George entirely for their predicament, and it was starting to feel like every woman for herself. So later that month, she wrote a letter to the FBI agent overseeing Ora's trial in Oklahoma City.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

In it, she promised to give up Machine Gun Kelly in exchange for her mother's release. If her pleas were ignored, she predicted, the entire Urschel family and friends would be exterminated soon. The letter was postmarked Chicago, but by the time it arrived, Catherine was already on her way back to Texas. She arrived in Waco in September, purchased a red wig, and checked into the Hilton Hotel.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

In it, she promised to give up Machine Gun Kelly in exchange for her mother's release. If her pleas were ignored, she predicted, the entire Urschel family and friends would be exterminated soon. The letter was postmarked Chicago, but by the time it arrived, Catherine was already on her way back to Texas. She arrived in Waco in September, purchased a red wig, and checked into the Hilton Hotel.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

By that stage, she'd been on the run for a month, and she was exhausted. From her room, she tried to call the lawyer she'd hired for Ora, but before she could ask a single question, he told her not to call his office and hung up. It's possible he knew he was under surveillance. In a fit of frustration, Catherine got in her car and started driving to Fort Worth.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

By that stage, she'd been on the run for a month, and she was exhausted. From her room, she tried to call the lawyer she'd hired for Ora, but before she could ask a single question, he told her not to call his office and hung up. It's possible he knew he was under surveillance. In a fit of frustration, Catherine got in her car and started driving to Fort Worth.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

She needed to talk to the lawyer one way or another. On the way, she passed a family of hitchhikers. They were the Arnolds, Luther, Flossie Mae, and their 12-year-old daughter, Geraldine. The bank had foreclosed on the farm where they lived, and they'd been roaming Texas looking for work. Likely suspecting that the Arnolds were just as desperate as her, Katherine pulled over and picked them up.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

She needed to talk to the lawyer one way or another. On the way, she passed a family of hitchhikers. They were the Arnolds, Luther, Flossie Mae, and their 12-year-old daughter, Geraldine. The bank had foreclosed on the farm where they lived, and they'd been roaming Texas looking for work. Likely suspecting that the Arnolds were just as desperate as her, Katherine pulled over and picked them up.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

After some time together, she told the family who she really was and confessed that she needed some help. For a very handsome fee, Luther agreed to be her go-between to help her make contact with the lawyer. With that issue seemingly solved, Catherine turned her attention back to finding her husband and decided to head back to Coleman.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

After some time together, she told the family who she really was and confessed that she needed some help. For a very handsome fee, Luther agreed to be her go-between to help her make contact with the lawyer. With that issue seemingly solved, Catherine turned her attention back to finding her husband and decided to head back to Coleman.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

To Flossie Mae's despair, Catherine took little Geraldine with her, likely to help her blend in. At some point, Catherine and George finally reunited at her uncle's farm. But the weeks of separation didn't end in a tearful reunion. The first thing Catherine said to her husband was, "'I don't know if I should kiss you or kill you.'" But there was no time for either.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

To Flossie Mae's despair, Catherine took little Geraldine with her, likely to help her blend in. At some point, Catherine and George finally reunited at her uncle's farm. But the weeks of separation didn't end in a tearful reunion. The first thing Catherine said to her husband was, "'I don't know if I should kiss you or kill you.'" But there was no time for either.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

The feds were still canvassing the area, so the pair lit out, taking Geraldine with them. They ended up in Chicago, where Catherine read everything she could about her mother's trial. Meanwhile, George tried reaching out to his underworld contacts. But between the national media craze and the FBI closing in, the Kellys were persona non grata. Anyone caught helping them was going to pay big time.

Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén
Valentine's Special: "A Couple of Gangsters" - Kathryn and "Machine Gun" Kelly

The feds were still canvassing the area, so the pair lit out, taking Geraldine with them. They ended up in Chicago, where Catherine read everything she could about her mother's trial. Meanwhile, George tried reaching out to his underworld contacts. But between the national media craze and the FBI closing in, the Kellys were persona non grata. Anyone caught helping them was going to pay big time.