Vanessa Williams

Yeah.

Um, I mean, back in the day it was like, you know, studio 54.

That was, I mean, I didn't, I didn't go, I tried to get in once they didn't pick me.

Yeah, but, you know, so it was a different time.

But is that an excuse?

No, exactly.

It is not an excuse, but it also is kind of sad when you realize that it's happened to so many people.

Yeah, it was heartbreaking.

I don't know.

And as a parent, yeah.

I mean, I didn't even mention it until, you know, my father had passed away by the time we wrote the book together.

And my mother said, your father could not have handled it if you'd mentioned it.

Yeah, yeah.

Because as a father, you want to be a protector.

And even that knowledge, I remember when it happened, getting off the plane, because it was happening in California.

I was with a friend.

We had a trip with their family friends to California.

So I came back and my uncle had just died.

And I remember your parents could actually meet you on the jetway.

I remember coming up and my dad was just ashen, like just pale.