Vanessa Williams

And she was telling me this.

She wanted to make sure that her hair looked good because nobody had done black hair before.

So she brought her hairdresser to do her hair on the show.

That one step integrated the union.

And because she insisted on that.

From then on, the hair and makeup union was integrated because of that one step.

So those are the little things that you don't realize make a tremendous difference, but those open the doors for other people.

They don't care.

But think about the pressure though.

Explain that.

So the pressure's like, oh, I want to be a singer, but my mom's done that.

I want to buy a house.

My mom bought a house when she was in her 30s.

So it's like... Yeah, there's pressure.

There's so much pressure, and that's...

I don't feel sorry for them because I've got two daughters that are like, they're, they're making their own music and they're doing it and they ask for the advice and they're, they've embraced it, which has been great.

My son is tremendously proud of me as well, but, um, um,

The judgment of people like, oh, you're a nepo baby.

You've got everything handed to you.

Oh, of course you want to be a recording artist because your mom was.