Vanessa Williams

So there was always kind of a prove it.

Truthfully?

I mean, if I could have my kids, probably.

I would.

Yes, it's made me the person that I am.

But of course, I mean, it's not even taking the easier road out, but I would be curious to see what my, I don't want to say success because I am so happy that I see myself as successful, but I would be curious to see what the route would be, you know, what the path would be.

I guess I would have to say yes, because I don't like to get caught up in negativity.

So it's almost like, that's over.

Good for you.

I've already moved on.

My mother, on the other hand, not so much.

With her list.

And what happened was, I knew...

the president of the Miss America organization at that point, Sam Haskell.

And he reached out to me and said, and Kate took me to lunch and said, listen, we would like to invite you back to the, the, the, the pageant.

And I was like, why, why would you want to do that?

And not only, you know, you can show all the things that you've achieved over the years.

And of course it was,

for a ratings issue too, for, for him as, as, uh, as the, the president.

So, um, I talked to my mom and she's like, why would they, why would you want to do that after all they've done to you and us?