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Varsha Venugopal

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80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

Luckily, we know it already starts off scalable, maybe not as much as SMS reminders.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

It's fairly light touch.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

It's just about identifying these right influencers.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

There is no component of training involved.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

It's

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

more about tapping into these existing social networks and influencers who seem to have a natural tendency to spread this information.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

So yes, while SMS reminders are more mature and faster to scale up, we are waiting to get to that same point with ambassadors so we could scale them up together.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

Exactly.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

So it is not that far from a scalable model, but still compared to SMS.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

So let me just, I guess, quickly go over the process involved with SMS, because even with that, it's a fairly different model in the two states we work in and has obviously different impacts on cost effectiveness.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

The first step is data collection.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

So in the case of Bihar, we have a couple of team members, Ram and Ravi, who actually visit the primary health centers and under this government partnership, collect the relevant data from birth registers.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

These have already been recorded on paper by the clinician with consent of family and the data is encrypted at this point of collection.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

So then once they have this data, they digitize it from paper birth records for our database.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

And then the final step is this data processing, which is this downstream process where the data is sent out as personalized reminders.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

And we use a third party scheduling software which connects through an API to our bulk SMS provider.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

So what this means is in the case of Bihar, while it sounds like it's an easily scalable model, there is an element of surveyors actually having to visit this primary health centers and collecting the data.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

Compared to that in Maharashtra state, because we have this MOU with the state government, we pretty much missed the first two steps and directly go to the third step.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

We just directly get this reproductive child health data from the state governments and can roll out the messages across the district.

80,000 Hours Podcast
#113 – Varsha Venugopal on using gossip to help vaccinate every child in India

So obviously that has implications on the cost effectiveness of both models.